House sparrow is most seen bird (From Daily Echo)

But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

southy wrote:
But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

What does it matter if people can't identify all 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow? The thing that worries me most is that you haven't blamed it on the Tories (and they certainly have more than 25 sub-species).

Huffter wrote:

southy wrote:
But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

What does it matter if people can't identify all 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow? The thing that worries me most is that you haven't blamed it on the Tories (and they certainly have more than 25 sub-species).

Excellent ! Pure Echo forum brilliance !
You really knocked southy for six with that !

Huffter wrote:

southy wrote:
But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

What does it matter if people can't identify all 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow? The thing that worries me most is that you haven't blamed it on the Tories (and they certainly have more than 25 sub-species).

Ba-zing!

southy wrote:
But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

southy, next time you look up Wikipedia in an attempt to make yourself appear credible, I suggest you actually read and then understand what is said.

There are NOT ‘25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world’ as you say, but just one - Passer domesticus.

Wikipedia does say, however, that the House Sparrow is ‘One of about 25 species in the genus Passer’. You obviously do not know the meaning of the term ‘genus’.

The UK has only two resident sparrows (i.e. genus Passer) – the Tree Sparrow and House Sparrow.

So what happens now ? Are southy and freefinker gonna argue about............spa
rrows ?

My own personal survey suggests an increase in the number of tits in local government.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

southy, next time you look up Wikipedia in an attempt to make yourself appear credible, I suggest you actually read and then understand what is said.

There are NOT ‘25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world’ as you say, but just one - Passer domesticus.

Wikipedia does say, however, that the House Sparrow is ‘One of about 25 species in the genus Passer’. You obviously do not know the meaning of the term ‘genus’.

The UK has only two resident sparrows (i.e. genus Passer) – the Tree Sparrow and House Sparrow.

No there is 25 sub-species of House Sparrows around the world, the one we get most common in the UK is Passer domesticus Passeridae, and its no its not from wikipedia its from a Bird and Egg books that you find the RSPB as writen a page on.
A Tree Sparrow is commonly called a Hedge Sparrow and its not a true sparrow its a Dunnock.
The Rock Sparrow is common Sparrow that you will see nesting in roofs and gutters of a building.
But just for you so you can learn some thing a link for you see I know your in to the Eviroment.

http://www.pbase.com
/mobish/all_sparrow_
species_together

lokk down the list of pictures and you see 3 different kinds of House Sparrows.

Oh also just for you Freefinker, how to tell the difference between a Dunnocks (Hedge Sparrow) and true Sparrows is by the bill, sparrows bills are thick, Dunnocks are thin and slender.

Georgem wrote:

Huffter wrote:

southy wrote:
But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

What does it matter if people can't identify all 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow? The thing that worries me most is that you haven't blamed it on the Tories (and they certainly have more than 25 sub-species).

Ba-zing!

That not 25 sub-species of Torys, thats 25 sub-human of Torys.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

southy, next time you look up Wikipedia in an attempt to make yourself appear credible, I suggest you actually read and then understand what is said.

There are NOT ‘25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world’ as you say, but just one - Passer domesticus.

Wikipedia does say, however, that the House Sparrow is ‘One of about 25 species in the genus Passer’. You obviously do not know the meaning of the term ‘genus’.

The UK has only two resident sparrows (i.e. genus Passer) – the Tree Sparrow and House Sparrow.

No there is 25 sub-species of House Sparrows around the world, the one we get most common in the UK is Passer domesticus Passeridae, and its no its not from wikipedia its from a Bird and Egg books that you find the RSPB as writen a page on.
A Tree Sparrow is commonly called a Hedge Sparrow and its not a true sparrow its a Dunnock.
The Rock Sparrow is common Sparrow that you will see nesting in roofs and gutters of a building.
But just for you so you can learn some thing a link for you see I know your in to the Eviroment.

http://www.pbase.com

/mobish/all_sparrow_

species_together

lokk down the list of pictures and you see 3 different kinds of House Sparrows.

.. you are a complete fool southy, as you dig yet another huge hole to fall into.

There is no sub-species 'Passer domesticus Passeridae' and you obviously have no idea of how the Linnaean system of classification actually works.

The classification hierarchy is thus: -
Passeridae - is, in fact, the Family.
Passer - is the Genus.
domesticus - is the Species – House Sparrow.

Even the link you quote is quite clear with its heading - ‘ALL Sparrow Species Together’ and only shows the ONE species called ‘House Sparrow’.

Their natural distribution is Europe and Asia, with introduction to the Americas, Africa and Australasia. Over this range there is obviously regional variation in appearance (just like Homo sapiens) and 12 have been named by one authority as sub-species. NONE are called your ridiculously muddled up 'Passer domesticus Passeridae'. Throughout almost all of their natural distribution (including all the UK) this authority names the sub-species as 'Passer domesticus domesticus’.

.. and, no southy, again you are WRONG when you say ‘A Tree Sparrow is commonly called a Hedge Sparrow and its not a true sparrow its a Dunnock.’

Tree Sparrow = Passer montanus.
Dunnock = Prunella modularis.
They are TOTALY different.
The Dunnock is NOT even in the Family Passeridae - it is in fact Prunellida.

The Rock Sparrow, Petronia petronia, is ‘very rare in Britain’ according to the RSPB.

One day you may possible realise you are not very bright – but I doubt it.

BillyTheKid wrote:
So what happens now ? Are southy and freefinker gonna argue about............spa

rrows ?

.. not argue.
southy makes it up, I correct.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

southy, next time you look up Wikipedia in an attempt to make yourself appear credible, I suggest you actually read and then understand what is said.

There are NOT ‘25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world’ as you say, but just one - Passer domesticus.

Wikipedia does say, however, that the House Sparrow is ‘One of about 25 species in the genus Passer’. You obviously do not know the meaning of the term ‘genus’.

The UK has only two resident sparrows (i.e. genus Passer) – the Tree Sparrow and House Sparrow.

No there is 25 sub-species of House Sparrows around the world, the one we get most common in the UK is Passer domesticus Passeridae, and its no its not from wikipedia its from a Bird and Egg books that you find the RSPB as writen a page on.
A Tree Sparrow is commonly called a Hedge Sparrow and its not a true sparrow its a Dunnock.
The Rock Sparrow is common Sparrow that you will see nesting in roofs and gutters of a building.
But just for you so you can learn some thing a link for you see I know your in to the Eviroment.

http://www.pbase.com


/mobish/all_sparrow_


species_together

lokk down the list of pictures and you see 3 different kinds of House Sparrows.

.. you are a complete fool southy, as you dig yet another huge hole to fall into.

There is no sub-species 'Passer domesticus Passeridae' and you obviously have no idea of how the Linnaean system of classification actually works.

The classification hierarchy is thus: -
Passeridae - is, in fact, the Family.
Passer - is the Genus.
domesticus - is the Species – House Sparrow.

Even the link you quote is quite clear with its heading - ‘ALL Sparrow Species Together’ and only shows the ONE species called ‘House Sparrow’.

Their natural distribution is Europe and Asia, with introduction to the Americas, Africa and Australasia. Over this range there is obviously regional variation in appearance (just like Homo sapiens) and 12 have been named by one authority as sub-species. NONE are called your ridiculously muddled up 'Passer domesticus Passeridae'. Throughout almost all of their natural distribution (including all the UK) this authority names the sub-species as 'Passer domesticus domesticus’.

Seems I have better understanding that your self Freefinker go and chat to Frank Vosper before you drop into that pit deeper or chat with Phil toy. 2 well known bird experts.
The Tree Sparrow commonly called the Hedge Sparrow is not a true Sparrow its a Dunnock, and its only people like your self that make silly errors like this.

I hate putting up links it makes people lazy and start to expect every thing laid on a plate for them.
Another link for you. so you can correct your self.


http://birdtablenews
.com/2010/04/dunnock
-fact-sheet/

This thread is more interesting than the close observation of drying paint, but only marginally. Not that I've actually watched paint dry......but one has to use one's imagination. I suspect that watching anything dry would be somewhat demanding on one's ability to apply undivided attention and full concentration.......
sorry, am I boring you ? Well, I could talk about the brown rat.........no. In fact, I don't really think I have anything to say on the above matter, so I think I'll leave it..........just go and look out the window.........watch the lawn dry............yawww
wwwn.

BillyTheKid wrote:
This thread is more interesting than the close observation of drying paint, but only marginally. Not that I've actually watched paint dry......but one has to use one's imagination. I suspect that watching anything dry would be somewhat demanding on one's ability to apply undivided attention and full concentration.......

sorry, am I boring you ? Well, I could talk about the brown rat.........no. In fact, I don't really think I have anything to say on the above matter, so I think I'll leave it..........just go and look out the window.........watch the lawn dry............yawww

wwwn.

Well billy it make an interedting break from the normal mondaine things.

Freefinker phone up the local RSPCB officer Frank vosper and he will tell you the same thing I have done.
The Rock sparrow just because they put it on the watch list do not make it rare it is very common, if you read the RSPCB or the WWF they explain what they mean when they say a thing is rare, it do not mean they are hard to see or find it just means there numbers have drop below there normal population levels.
rare = below population levels.
extreme rare= population half of normal population levels.
critical rare= going extinct
extinct rare= not been seen in the species life cycle. (even this do not mean that they have gone, take a look at the Tasmanian Tiger thought be Hunted to extinction in 1936 then in 1995 one shows up out of the blue)

southy wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
This thread is more interesting than the close observation of drying paint, but only marginally. Not that I've actually watched paint dry......but one has to use one's imagination. I suspect that watching anything dry would be somewhat demanding on one's ability to apply undivided attention and full concentration.......


sorry, am I boring you ? Well, I could talk about the brown rat.........no. In fact, I don't really think I have anything to say on the above matter, so I think I'll leave it..........just go and look out the window.........watch the lawn dry............yawww


wwwn.

Well billy it make an interedting break from the normal mondaine things.

Freefinker phone up the local RSPCB officer Frank vosper and he will tell you the same thing I have done.
The Rock sparrow just because they put it on the watch list do not make it rare it is very common, if you read the RSPCB or the WWF they explain what they mean when they say a thing is rare, it do not mean they are hard to see or find it just means there numbers have drop below there normal population levels.
rare = below population levels.
extreme rare= population half of normal population levels.
critical rare= going extinct
extinct rare= not been seen in the species life cycle. (even this do not mean that they have gone, take a look at the Tasmanian Tiger thought be Hunted to extinction in 1936 then in 1995 one shows up out of the blue)

No chance of you becoming "extinct rare" is there, southy ?

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
But how many people know the difference between House Sparrow, Hedge Sparrow, Rock Sparrow, Worthen Sparrow, Savannah Sparrow. there are 25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world and a few of them you are likely to see here.

southy, next time you look up Wikipedia in an attempt to make yourself appear credible, I suggest you actually read and then understand what is said.

There are NOT ‘25 sub-species of the House Sparrow in the world’ as you say, but just one - Passer domesticus.

Wikipedia does say, however, that the House Sparrow is ‘One of about 25 species in the genus Passer’. You obviously do not know the meaning of the term ‘genus’.

The UK has only two resident sparrows (i.e. genus Passer) – the Tree Sparrow and House Sparrow.

No there is 25 sub-species of House Sparrows around the world, the one we get most common in the UK is Passer domesticus Passeridae, and its no its not from wikipedia its from a Bird and Egg books that you find the RSPB as writen a page on.
A Tree Sparrow is commonly called a Hedge Sparrow and its not a true sparrow its a Dunnock.
The Rock Sparrow is common Sparrow that you will see nesting in roofs and gutters of a building.
But just for you so you can learn some thing a link for you see I know your in to the Eviroment.

http://www.pbase.com



/mobish/all_sparrow_



species_together

lokk down the list of pictures and you see 3 different kinds of House Sparrows.

.. you are a complete fool southy, as you dig yet another huge hole to fall into.

There is no sub-species 'Passer domesticus Passeridae' and you obviously have no idea of how the Linnaean system of classification actually works.

The classification hierarchy is thus: -
Passeridae - is, in fact, the Family.
Passer - is the Genus.
domesticus - is the Species – House Sparrow.

Even the link you quote is quite clear with its heading - ‘ALL Sparrow Species Together’ and only shows the ONE species called ‘House Sparrow’.

Their natural distribution is Europe and Asia, with introduction to the Americas, Africa and Australasia. Over this range there is obviously regional variation in appearance (just like Homo sapiens) and 12 have been named by one authority as sub-species. NONE are called your ridiculously muddled up 'Passer domesticus Passeridae'. Throughout almost all of their natural distribution (including all the UK) this authority names the sub-species as 'Passer domesticus domesticus’.

Seems I have better understanding that your self Freefinker go and chat to Frank Vosper before you drop into that pit deeper or chat with Phil toy. 2 well known bird experts.
The Tree Sparrow commonly called the Hedge Sparrow is not a true Sparrow its a Dunnock, and its only people like your self that make silly errors like this.

.. southy, Frank Voysey is a very old mate of mine - known him for well over 20 years. He and Jean moved out the area a few years ago.

On bird ID and correct species names you are still totally wrong.

As I pointed out, the Tree Sparrow is in a totally different Family (let alone Genus) than the Dunnock - THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

Any competent ornithologist can tell you that. But that is not you - you are as incompetent in your knowledge of birds as you are on almost all subjects scientific.

If anyone actually want to know what the RSPB say go to: -
http://www.rspb.org.
uk/wildlife/birdguid
e/name/d/
and then.
http://www.rspb.org.
uk/wildlife/birdguid
e/name/t/
and you will see for yourself that southy is just wrong - again

southy wrote:
I hate putting up links it makes people lazy and start to expect every thing laid on a plate for them.
Another link for you. so you can correct your self.


http://birdtablenews

.com/2010/04/dunnock

-fact-sheet/

Oh, I've looked at the link and it confirms what I have said.

'THE DUNNOCK: Latin Name: Prunella modularis.'

Now look up Tree Sparrow and see what its Latin Name is - the RSPB site I list above will get you there because the site you are looking at only lists a very few birds.

What is it southy? Well blow me down, its Passer montanus - A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SPECIES.

southy wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
This thread is more interesting than the close observation of drying paint, but only marginally. Not that I've actually watched paint dry......but one has to use one's imagination. I suspect that watching anything dry would be somewhat demanding on one's ability to apply undivided attention and full concentration.......


sorry, am I boring you ? Well, I could talk about the brown rat.........no. In fact, I don't really think I have anything to say on the above matter, so I think I'll leave it..........just go and look out the window.........watch the lawn dry............yawww


wwwn.

Well billy it make an interedting break from the normal mondaine things.

Freefinker phone up the local RSPCB officer Frank vosper and he will tell you the same thing I have done.
The Rock sparrow just because they put it on the watch list do not make it rare it is very common, if you read the RSPCB or the WWF they explain what they mean when they say a thing is rare, it do not mean they are hard to see or find it just means there numbers have drop below there normal population levels.
rare = below population levels.
extreme rare= population half of normal population levels.
critical rare= going extinct
extinct rare= not been seen in the species life cycle. (even this do not mean that they have gone, take a look at the Tasmanian Tiger thought be Hunted to extinction in 1936 then in 1995 one shows up out of the blue)

Absolute twaddle, as usual.

The Rock Sparrow, Petronia petronia, has a normal range of Iberia, Southern France, The Maghreb, Southern Italy and Greece and Turkey.

It is a VERY rare migrant to the British Isles.

I don't know what bird you are seeing regularly, but it CERTAINLY isn't a Rock Sparrow - a species UK twitchers flock in some numbers to see if ever one is reported in the UK.

As for your classification scheme – it’s a pure southy fantasy.

In fact the Rock Sparrow is so rare that I have looked up the records for UK.

So far there has been only ONE confirmed sighting – Norfolk in 1981.

Data from BTO - http://blx1.bto.org/
birdfacts/results/bo
b16040.htm#records

And you see them all the time? More likely to get a TUSC government at the next General Election.

They say that if you put enough Rock Sparrows in a music shop for long enough, they will eventually learn to play guitar and form a band !

Don't you Rock me Sparriow
Don't you Rock me Sparriow

Two little wobins, sittin on a bwush,
Each one wishin the uvver woz a fwush,

Don't you rock me Sparriow,
Don't you rock me Sparriow !