Firefighters tackle large fire at Southampton docks

Daily Echo: Firefighters tackle large blaze at docks Firefighters tackle large blaze at docks

FIREFIGHTERS could take until this evening to get a blaze at Southampton Docks under control.

More than 35 firefighters are battling the fire at the king George V dry docks after it broke out just after 9am in a pile of some 50,000 tonnes of scrap metal.

A spokesman for Hampshire Fire and Rescue said around five tonnes of the pile of metal was on fire and efforts are being centred on separating it from the rest of the material to prevent the blaze spreading further.

Mickey Smither, incident commander, said: “We have no idea how the fire started as yet, but that will be part of an investigation which will be started in due course.

“Any fire has the potential to get worse but we are working hard to separate the metal that is burning from that which isn't.”

He added: “I see no reason why we won't be successful in stopping the spread of the fire, but we need to work hard and fast to do that.”

The service is predicting it could take until this evening before the fire is under control and extinguished.

Foam and jets are being used to try and extinguish the blaze and specialist aerial ladders have been called in from Portsmouth and St Mary's to help tackle the fire.

Police and ambulance crews are also in attendance but no injuries have so far been reported.

Meanwhile residents living under a plume of smoke that is billowing from the scene at Western Avenue are being urged to stay indoors and to close windows and doors.

Although not toxic the fumes from the fire are causing thick smoke to drift across the city particularly over the Freemantle and Millbrook area.

Mr Smither added: “I understand that the smoke plume is hanging around areas of the city at quite a low level. The message is not to stay in the smoke plume and close your windows and doors if it is affecting you in that way.”

According to Southampton City Council no roads have been closed as a result of the smoke but public buildings and schools have been sent the advice from the fire service about not breathing in the smoke.

Send us your photos and videos of the fire and smoke cloud. We'll upload the best ones to our gallery.

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11:55am Tue 17 Apr 12

lil_tink_2009 says...

is the smoke definately not toxic as the smoke is drifting up into to town and it smells awful!!
is the smoke definately not toxic as the smoke is drifting up into to town and it smells awful!! lil_tink_2009
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12:04pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Totton Ric says...

Always wondered what would happen if this caught fire, this will burn/smoulder for days if not weeks !
Always wondered what would happen if this caught fire, this will burn/smoulder for days if not weeks ! Totton Ric
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12:17pm Tue 17 Apr 12

bigfella777 says...

Damned fores.
Damned fores. bigfella777
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12:27pm Tue 17 Apr 12

bigfella777 says...

How are you supposed to not breathe it in? It stinks.
How are you supposed to not breathe it in? It stinks. bigfella777
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12:28pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Verbal Kint says...

Can smell the smoke as far down as Ocean Village
Can smell the smoke as far down as Ocean Village Verbal Kint
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12:29pm Tue 17 Apr 12

AndyVD says...

That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.
That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then. AndyVD
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12:59pm Tue 17 Apr 12

loonaloop says...

They are nowhere near extinguishing it yet. Looks out of control from where I am flames at least 40ft high.
They are nowhere near extinguishing it yet. Looks out of control from where I am flames at least 40ft high. loonaloop
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1:08pm Tue 17 Apr 12

ozzieom says...

It is now 13:00 Hrs, The smoke is laying at street level, here at central station people are walking to and from, protecting themselves as best that they can from the putrid effects they are suffering from. As it is a scrap metal fire, it will contain Plastics, Rubber, varying types of paints, plus other elements given off during the fire. It is akin to an old industrial smog.
A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas.
It is now 13:00 Hrs, The smoke is laying at street level, here at central station people are walking to and from, protecting themselves as best that they can from the putrid effects they are suffering from. As it is a scrap metal fire, it will contain Plastics, Rubber, varying types of paints, plus other elements given off during the fire. It is akin to an old industrial smog. A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas. ozzieom
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1:13pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Rhombus says...

It went out on the radios as a Chemical Incident. Smelt repulsive near the docks.
It went out on the radios as a Chemical Incident. Smelt repulsive near the docks. Rhombus
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1:14pm Tue 17 Apr 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

This is right by my house, and a few thousand more besides!

And is exactly why it would be FARCICAL to put an even more flammable Biomass Station here.

It was putrid and makes you cough! however,, good job the wind has changed and it blowing it out of the area, if there was no wind it would have been dangerous, the road would have had to be closed and the railway line probably too, not to mention all the residents, schools, nurseries nearby!!

NO BIOMASS!
This is right by my house, and a few thousand more besides! And is exactly why it would be FARCICAL to put an even more flammable Biomass Station here. It was putrid and makes you cough! however,, good job the wind has changed and it blowing it out of the area, if there was no wind it would have been dangerous, the road would have had to be closed and the railway line probably too, not to mention all the residents, schools, nurseries nearby!! NO BIOMASS! freemantlegirl2
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1:15pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dango says...

AndyVD wrote:
That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.
I think you'll find that that is coming from Portsmouth and quite normal:-)
[quote][p][bold]AndyVD[/bold] wrote: That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that that is coming from Portsmouth and quite normal:-) dango
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1:15pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Cllr Michael Ball says...

Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass
.co.uk/
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start. nosouthamptonbiomass .co.uk/ Cllr Michael Ball
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1:16pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dango says...

Fires, murders, fires involving murder, that's all that seems to be in the Echo lately. I'd suggest checking for a body once it's out.
Fires, murders, fires involving murder, that's all that seems to be in the Echo lately. I'd suggest checking for a body once it's out. dango
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1:18pm Tue 17 Apr 12

davehills says...

"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke". Why the contradictory statements? davehills
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1:19pm Tue 17 Apr 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass

.co.uk/
We're all opposed to it Michael. I believe there's a meeting very shortly with Planning PLEASE do not let these people build that plant here - this has also been evidenced by other Plants catching fire, more recently the one at Tilbury!
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Michael Ball[/bold] wrote: Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start. nosouthamptonbiomass .co.uk/[/p][/quote]We're all opposed to it Michael. I believe there's a meeting very shortly with Planning PLEASE do not let these people build that plant here - this has also been evidenced by other Plants catching fire, more recently the one at Tilbury! freemantlegirl2
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1:20pm Tue 17 Apr 12

eurogordi says...

You can smell it in Hythe which makes a lovely cocktail when mixed with the usual smells from Esso.
You can smell it in Hythe which makes a lovely cocktail when mixed with the usual smells from Esso. eurogordi
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1:21pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Iain says...

As the air already smells horrible and is probably harmful to our lungs, does that mean it's ok for me to have a cigarette in the pub at lunchtime, as it'll probably be healthier for those around me?
As the air already smells horrible and is probably harmful to our lungs, does that mean it's ok for me to have a cigarette in the pub at lunchtime, as it'll probably be healthier for those around me? Iain
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1:28pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Naxia says...

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start. nosouthamptonbiomass .co.uk/
for those against the powerstation, i suggest you turn off ur PC, monitor and not use your kettle, cooker, washingmachine etc!! Funny how you are against the re-generation of power yet happy to use it, STOP NOW, or get you power from solar or wind or somthing. and dont give this dribble about where etc, if dont want it then dont use it... As for this fire, what an unfortunate situation, im next to it but off wind so im rather lucky in the effects, i just wander how long it will last?
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Michael Ball[/bold] wrote: Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start. nosouthamptonbiomass .co.uk/[/p][/quote]for those against the powerstation, i suggest you turn off ur PC, monitor and not use your kettle, cooker, washingmachine etc!! Funny how you are against the re-generation of power yet happy to use it, STOP NOW, or get you power from solar or wind or somthing. and dont give this dribble about where etc, if dont want it then dont use it... As for this fire, what an unfortunate situation, im next to it but off wind so im rather lucky in the effects, i just wander how long it will last? Naxia
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1:34pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Rhombus says...

All the posts removed?
All the posts removed? Rhombus
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1:34pm Tue 17 Apr 12

HotaruRyu says...

And you want to build a biomass next to it?!? On top of that you say 'No fires cant happen' Accidence and arson do happen. Then is us who have to suffer. People have tried to sell their houses because of this and they cant because of this stupid biomass!
And you want to build a biomass next to it?!? On top of that you say 'No fires cant happen' Accidence and arson do happen. Then is us who have to suffer. People have tried to sell their houses because of this and they cant because of this stupid biomass! HotaruRyu
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2:05pm Tue 17 Apr 12

bennybon says...

My house started to fill with smoke an hour ago.... it still stinks.

Arthur Road.
My house started to fill with smoke an hour ago.... it still stinks. Arthur Road. bennybon
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2:11pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dave1958 says...

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass

.co.uk/
Funny how Cllr Michael Ball can suddenly pop up and make a comment on this issue, and be opposed to his own Governments policy on issues such as Biomass. This comment has more than likely been placed here not by Cllr Ball, but by someone on his behalf to make it look like he is doing something, especially as the elections are now only what 2 weeks away, and he has to raise his profile some how, in Freemantle as he has not been seen in the ward for the past 3 years. He has been like the scarlet pimpernel, they seek him here, they seek him there, no so ellusive as the scarlet pimpernel
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Michael Ball[/bold] wrote: Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start. nosouthamptonbiomass .co.uk/[/p][/quote]Funny how Cllr Michael Ball can suddenly pop up and make a comment on this issue, and be opposed to his own Governments policy on issues such as Biomass. This comment has more than likely been placed here not by Cllr Ball, but by someone on his behalf to make it look like he is doing something, especially as the elections are now only what 2 weeks away, and he has to raise his profile some how, in Freemantle as he has not been seen in the ward for the past 3 years. He has been like the scarlet pimpernel, they seek him here, they seek him there, no so ellusive as the scarlet pimpernel dave1958
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2:12pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Naxia says...

lol!
lol! Naxia
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2:21pm Tue 17 Apr 12

lisa turner says...

really still goning on from 10 this morning i live in shirley towers n still big clowd of smoke
really still goning on from 10 this morning i live in shirley towers n still big clowd of smoke lisa turner
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2:21pm Tue 17 Apr 12

lisa turner says...

really still goning on from 10 this morning i live in shirley towers n still big clowd of smoke
really still goning on from 10 this morning i live in shirley towers n still big clowd of smoke lisa turner
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2:21pm Tue 17 Apr 12

lisa turner says...

really still goning on from 10 this morning i live in shirley towers n still big clowd of smoke
really still goning on from 10 this morning i live in shirley towers n still big clowd of smoke lisa turner
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2:22pm Tue 17 Apr 12

birdsatalcatraz says...

I too would like to know about the smoke as I have been smelling it for a while
I too would like to know about the smoke as I have been smelling it for a while birdsatalcatraz
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2:34pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Over the Edge says...

dave1958 wrote:
Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass


.co.uk/
Funny how Cllr Michael Ball can suddenly pop up and make a comment on this issue, and be opposed to his own Governments policy on issues such as Biomass. This comment has more than likely been placed here not by Cllr Ball, but by someone on his behalf to make it look like he is doing something, especially as the elections are now only what 2 weeks away, and he has to raise his profile some how, in Freemantle as he has not been seen in the ward for the past 3 years. He has been like the scarlet pimpernel, they seek him here, they seek him there, no so ellusive as the scarlet pimpernel
I didn't think Cllr's were allowed to make political statements whilst in purder?
[quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cllr Michael Ball[/bold] wrote: Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start. nosouthamptonbiomass .co.uk/[/p][/quote]Funny how Cllr Michael Ball can suddenly pop up and make a comment on this issue, and be opposed to his own Governments policy on issues such as Biomass. This comment has more than likely been placed here not by Cllr Ball, but by someone on his behalf to make it look like he is doing something, especially as the elections are now only what 2 weeks away, and he has to raise his profile some how, in Freemantle as he has not been seen in the ward for the past 3 years. He has been like the scarlet pimpernel, they seek him here, they seek him there, no so ellusive as the scarlet pimpernel[/p][/quote]I didn't think Cllr's were allowed to make political statements whilst in purder? Over the Edge
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2:38pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dango says...

birdsatalcatraz wrote:
I too would like to know about the smoke as I have been smelling it for a while
then stop smelling it, like the Echo said, it's not good for you :-)
[quote][p][bold]birdsatalcatraz[/bold] wrote: I too would like to know about the smoke as I have been smelling it for a while[/p][/quote]then stop smelling it, like the Echo said, it's not good for you :-) dango
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2:39pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Swissowned says...

So glad I sold my house and moved from Freemantle last year!

(smug faced) :-)
So glad I sold my house and moved from Freemantle last year! (smug faced) :-) Swissowned
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2:56pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Tone says...

"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton. Tone
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3:13pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dtokez says...

davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?
because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?
[quote][p][bold]davehills[/bold] wrote: "Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke". Why the contradictory statements?[/p][/quote]because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this? dtokez
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3:18pm Tue 17 Apr 12

UnicornCandy says...

Are small animals safe outside, even thou they have said the fumes arn't toxic?

The sky its just plastered in smoke...
Are small animals safe outside, even thou they have said the fumes arn't toxic? The sky its just plastered in smoke... UnicornCandy
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3:27pm Tue 17 Apr 12

chunky_lover says...

UnicornCandy wrote:
Are small animals safe outside, even thou they have said the fumes arn't toxic?

The sky its just plastered in smoke...
No, that's cloud - see the following uniform resource locator: http://www.metoffice
.gov.uk/weather/uk/r
adar/
[quote][p][bold]UnicornCandy[/bold] wrote: Are small animals safe outside, even thou they have said the fumes arn't toxic? The sky its just plastered in smoke...[/p][/quote]No, that's cloud - see the following uniform resource locator: http://www.metoffice .gov.uk/weather/uk/r adar/ chunky_lover
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3:31pm Tue 17 Apr 12

flowergirly says...

It's still going strong, can see it from my office window opposite. It's raining now so that might help...
It's still going strong, can see it from my office window opposite. It's raining now so that might help... flowergirly
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3:59pm Tue 17 Apr 12

loonaloop says...

It`s now more steam than smoke Well done to the chap in the yellow crane with a huge bucket doing a great job scooping tons of water on to it.
It`s now more steam than smoke Well done to the chap in the yellow crane with a huge bucket doing a great job scooping tons of water on to it. loonaloop
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4:05pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Georgem says...

davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?
So if smoke wasn't toxic, you'd be quite happy to breathe it in?
[quote][p][bold]davehills[/bold] wrote: "Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke". Why the contradictory statements?[/p][/quote]So if smoke wasn't toxic, you'd be quite happy to breathe it in? Georgem
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4:06pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Georgem says...

dtokez wrote:
davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?
because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?
He wants to breathe it in, get ill, then sue the Echo because "they dun said it weren't toxic herp derp".
[quote][p][bold]dtokez[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davehills[/bold] wrote: "Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke". Why the contradictory statements?[/p][/quote]because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?[/p][/quote]He wants to breathe it in, get ill, then sue the Echo because "they dun said it weren't toxic herp derp". Georgem
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4:26pm Tue 17 Apr 12

loosehead says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass


.co.uk/
We're all opposed to it Michael. I believe there's a meeting very shortly with Planning PLEASE do not let these people build that plant here - this has also been evidenced by other Plants catching fire, more recently the one at Tilbury!
You argue against the Bio Mass on health & safety reasons yet you don't oppose this scrap heap?
fire precautions will be far greater at the bio mass than at a heap of scrap metal.
new planning laws will now see the Bio Mass built so your better off getting as much for your area as possible from Helius or continue saying no getting nothing but still getting the generator the balls in your court.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cllr Michael Ball[/bold] wrote: Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start. nosouthamptonbiomass .co.uk/[/p][/quote]We're all opposed to it Michael. I believe there's a meeting very shortly with Planning PLEASE do not let these people build that plant here - this has also been evidenced by other Plants catching fire, more recently the one at Tilbury![/p][/quote]You argue against the Bio Mass on health & safety reasons yet you don't oppose this scrap heap? fire precautions will be far greater at the bio mass than at a heap of scrap metal. new planning laws will now see the Bio Mass built so your better off getting as much for your area as possible from Helius or continue saying no getting nothing but still getting the generator the balls in your court. loosehead
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4:29pm Tue 17 Apr 12

loosehead says...

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it? loosehead
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4:33pm Tue 17 Apr 12

chazzerellie says...

dango wrote:
AndyVD wrote: That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.
I think you'll find that that is coming from Portsmouth and quite normal:-)
Dango, the smell is in Southampton where it originated from. I do hope this doesn't turn into another disaster associated with your city that you will be celebrating and remembering in a 100 years time?
[quote][p][bold]dango[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyVD[/bold] wrote: That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that that is coming from Portsmouth and quite normal:-)[/p][/quote]Dango, the smell is in Southampton where it originated from. I do hope this doesn't turn into another disaster associated with your city that you will be celebrating and remembering in a 100 years time? chazzerellie
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4:51pm Tue 17 Apr 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!! Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!! Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish. Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would! btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day.... freemantlegirl2
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4:51pm Tue 17 Apr 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!! Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!! Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish. Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would! btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day.... freemantlegirl2
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4:52pm Tue 17 Apr 12

S Pance says...

dtokez wrote:
davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?
because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?
eh?

according to the dictionary:

toxic=damages living organisms

by defenition if smoke is bad for humans to breathe it is toxic!
[quote][p][bold]dtokez[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davehills[/bold] wrote: "Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke". Why the contradictory statements?[/p][/quote]because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?[/p][/quote]eh? according to the dictionary: toxic=damages living organisms by defenition if smoke is bad for humans to breathe it is toxic! S Pance
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4:54pm Tue 17 Apr 12

S Pance says...

dtokez wrote:
davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?
because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?
eh?

according to the dictionary:

toxic=damages living organisms

by defenition if smoke is bad for humans to breathe it is toxic!
[quote][p][bold]dtokez[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davehills[/bold] wrote: "Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke". Why the contradictory statements?[/p][/quote]because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?[/p][/quote]eh? according to the dictionary: toxic=damages living organisms by defenition if smoke is bad for humans to breathe it is toxic! S Pance
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5:03pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Andy Locks Heath says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
This is right by my house, and a few thousand more besides!

And is exactly why it would be FARCICAL to put an even more flammable Biomass Station here.

It was putrid and makes you cough! however,, good job the wind has changed and it blowing it out of the area, if there was no wind it would have been dangerous, the road would have had to be closed and the railway line probably too, not to mention all the residents, schools, nurseries nearby!!

NO BIOMASS!
When I last looked at the plans there appeared to be a large chimney - and the plans were to burn biomass and not scrap. So in what way does the current situation relate to the proposed power station? All the various things you point out would therefore not occur and not be necessary so I fail to understand your point.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: This is right by my house, and a few thousand more besides! And is exactly why it would be FARCICAL to put an even more flammable Biomass Station here. It was putrid and makes you cough! however,, good job the wind has changed and it blowing it out of the area, if there was no wind it would have been dangerous, the road would have had to be closed and the railway line probably too, not to mention all the residents, schools, nurseries nearby!! NO BIOMASS![/p][/quote]When I last looked at the plans there appeared to be a large chimney - and the plans were to burn biomass and not scrap. So in what way does the current situation relate to the proposed power station? All the various things you point out would therefore not occur and not be necessary so I fail to understand your point. Andy Locks Heath
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5:05pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Andy Locks Heath says...

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass

.co.uk/
If you really are Cllr Michael Ball can you explain clearly how you confuse a fire in a heap of scrap with a power station? Why have you not proposed the immediate banning of all cars by the same token?
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Michael Ball[/bold] wrote: Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start. nosouthamptonbiomass .co.uk/[/p][/quote]If you really are Cllr Michael Ball can you explain clearly how you confuse a fire in a heap of scrap with a power station? Why have you not proposed the immediate banning of all cars by the same token? Andy Locks Heath
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5:06pm Tue 17 Apr 12

jammyswine says...

Won't somebody please think of the children. Ahem.
Won't somebody please think of the children. Ahem. jammyswine
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5:09pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Andy Locks Heath says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....
Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!! Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!! Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish. Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would! btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....[/p][/quote]Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again? Andy Locks Heath
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5:14pm Tue 17 Apr 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....
Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?
Right, look at the plans that Helius submitted then and they have an OIIL FIRED boiler in the plant, something which was pointed out to them in our public response! I suggest you go off and look and then come back and eat humble pie when you see that's what was planned. The council also pointed out this hilarious error. experienced engineers they might be but we fell about laughing when someone spotted it. So why don't you go and find out for yourself and take your own advice :D
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!! Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!! Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish. Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would! btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....[/p][/quote]Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?[/p][/quote]Right, look at the plans that Helius submitted then and they have an OIIL FIRED boiler in the plant, something which was pointed out to them in our public response! I suggest you go off and look and then come back and eat humble pie when you see that's what was planned. The council also pointed out this hilarious error. experienced engineers they might be but we fell about laughing when someone spotted it. So why don't you go and find out for yourself and take your own advice :D freemantlegirl2
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5:15pm Tue 17 Apr 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
This is right by my house, and a few thousand more besides!

And is exactly why it would be FARCICAL to put an even more flammable Biomass Station here.

It was putrid and makes you cough! however,, good job the wind has changed and it blowing it out of the area, if there was no wind it would have been dangerous, the road would have had to be closed and the railway line probably too, not to mention all the residents, schools, nurseries nearby!!

NO BIOMASS!
When I last looked at the plans there appeared to be a large chimney - and the plans were to burn biomass and not scrap. So in what way does the current situation relate to the proposed power station? All the various things you point out would therefore not occur and not be necessary so I fail to understand your point.
And you Andy have failed, very dismally to understand our point about fire risks......
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: This is right by my house, and a few thousand more besides! And is exactly why it would be FARCICAL to put an even more flammable Biomass Station here. It was putrid and makes you cough! however,, good job the wind has changed and it blowing it out of the area, if there was no wind it would have been dangerous, the road would have had to be closed and the railway line probably too, not to mention all the residents, schools, nurseries nearby!! NO BIOMASS![/p][/quote]When I last looked at the plans there appeared to be a large chimney - and the plans were to burn biomass and not scrap. So in what way does the current situation relate to the proposed power station? All the various things you point out would therefore not occur and not be necessary so I fail to understand your point.[/p][/quote]And you Andy have failed, very dismally to understand our point about fire risks...... freemantlegirl2
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5:41pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Pobinr says...

The fire officer interviewed tried to play down the toxic nature of the smoke.
Of course it's toxic. A toxic cocktail of hydro carbons & cyanide chemicals.
Why were they permitted to store such vast amounts in one heap ?
Will they be taken to court ?
Will they be forced to pay for the fire services req'd ?
The fire officer interviewed tried to play down the toxic nature of the smoke. Of course it's toxic. A toxic cocktail of hydro carbons & cyanide chemicals. Why were they permitted to store such vast amounts in one heap ? Will they be taken to court ? Will they be forced to pay for the fire services req'd ? Pobinr
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5:42pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Matt Probert says...

The smoke and smell or burning rubber reached Harefield this afternoon about 1445. Of course it's toxic, but as it big business its okay, unlike individuals wanting to smoke cigarettes.

Matt
The smoke and smell or burning rubber reached Harefield this afternoon about 1445. Of course it's toxic, but as it big business its okay, unlike individuals wanting to smoke cigarettes. Matt Matt Probert
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5:55pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Andy Locks Heath says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....
Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?
Right, look at the plans that Helius submitted then and they have an OIIL FIRED boiler in the plant, something which was pointed out to them in our public response! I suggest you go off and look and then come back and eat humble pie when you see that's what was planned. The council also pointed out this hilarious error. experienced engineers they might be but we fell about laughing when someone spotted it. So why don't you go and find out for yourself and take your own advice :D
Of course I know there is an oil fired boiler in the plan! That's not the point. It's there because the plant itself needs to be heated when the main generator boilers are turned off, or even to provide emergency seedcorn power to bring the main plant up. If this plant is designed to operate at peak times only and then remain on standby at other times they are not going to keep it fired up 24x 7 just to keep the working areas warm are they? Use your loaf. How can you - let alone the inept councillors who seem to know nothing about the subject at all - be so silly as to think this is some kind of error? Are you so foolish as to suggest the entire plant has to be kept on simply to create the domestic heat for workers as specified in the Factories Act? That isn't very green is it. Has it not occurred to you that even down at Fawley - Britain's largest oil refinery - they use natural gas for office heating? Have you thought to wonder why? Do you think that was also down to some crazy oversight on the part of the Refnery planners that it needs the wise woman from Freemantle to point out? It is not a hilarious error - but you and the other nimbies are making massive fools ofyourselves.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!! Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!! Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish. Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would! btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....[/p][/quote]Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?[/p][/quote]Right, look at the plans that Helius submitted then and they have an OIIL FIRED boiler in the plant, something which was pointed out to them in our public response! I suggest you go off and look and then come back and eat humble pie when you see that's what was planned. The council also pointed out this hilarious error. experienced engineers they might be but we fell about laughing when someone spotted it. So why don't you go and find out for yourself and take your own advice :D[/p][/quote]Of course I know there is an oil fired boiler in the plan! That's not the point. It's there because the plant itself needs to be heated when the main generator boilers are turned off, or even to provide emergency seedcorn power to bring the main plant up. If this plant is designed to operate at peak times only and then remain on standby at other times they are not going to keep it fired up 24x 7 just to keep the working areas warm are they? Use your loaf. How can you - let alone the inept councillors who seem to know nothing about the subject at all - be so silly as to think this is some kind of error? Are you so foolish as to suggest the entire plant has to be kept on simply to create the domestic heat for workers as specified in the Factories Act? That isn't very green is it. Has it not occurred to you that even down at Fawley - Britain's largest oil refinery - they use natural gas for office heating? Have you thought to wonder why? Do you think that was also down to some crazy oversight on the part of the Refnery planners that it needs the wise woman from Freemantle to point out? It is not a hilarious error - but you and the other nimbies are making massive fools ofyourselves. Andy Locks Heath
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5:55pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Pobinr says...

Thanks to the recklessness of the people who kept this scrap in one gigantic heap, the people of Southampton & beyond are going to be subjected to a toxic cloud of hydro carbons & cyanide type chemicals for days or maybe weeks.
I hope they will face prosecution.
Thanks to the recklessness of the people who kept this scrap in one gigantic heap, the people of Southampton & beyond are going to be subjected to a toxic cloud of hydro carbons & cyanide type chemicals for days or maybe weeks. I hope they will face prosecution. Pobinr
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5:58pm Tue 17 Apr 12

thankfully not a PO postcode says...

Driving through the thick black toxic tasting smoke wasn't any fun even with all vents closed i still got the most awfully smell. needless to say we are keeping our pets in tonight . There is bound to be an accident on millbrook road where the smoke is giving you no visability
Driving through the thick black toxic tasting smoke wasn't any fun even with all vents closed i still got the most awfully smell. needless to say we are keeping our pets in tonight . There is bound to be an accident on millbrook road where the smoke is giving you no visability thankfully not a PO postcode
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6:21pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Big Mac says...

Southy says not to panic, it's only a 'smokescreen' set off to distract attention away from all the wrong doings of the council.
Historically, this was often used as a method of distraction throughout the Thatcher years and proven to be true by the fact that the lady had Grey hair; an acknowledged symptom of 'passive smoke-screening'. There you can all rest easy now.
Southy says not to panic, it's only a 'smokescreen' set off to distract attention away from all the wrong doings of the council. Historically, this was often used as a method of distraction throughout the Thatcher years and proven to be true by the fact that the lady had Grey hair; an acknowledged symptom of 'passive smoke-screening'. There you can all rest easy now. Big Mac
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6:41pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dango says...

chazzerellie wrote:
dango wrote:
AndyVD wrote: That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.
I think you'll find that that is coming from Portsmouth and quite normal:-)
Dango, the smell is in Southampton where it originated from. I do hope this doesn't turn into another disaster associated with your city that you will be celebrating and remembering in a 100 years time?
I'm not actually from Southampton, I ended up here by a twist of fate. I like the city, but I have to agree, a celebration of a shipping disaster is quite mawkish, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]chazzerellie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dango[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyVD[/bold] wrote: That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that that is coming from Portsmouth and quite normal:-)[/p][/quote]Dango, the smell is in Southampton where it originated from. I do hope this doesn't turn into another disaster associated with your city that you will be celebrating and remembering in a 100 years time?[/p][/quote]I'm not actually from Southampton, I ended up here by a twist of fate. I like the city, but I have to agree, a celebration of a shipping disaster is quite mawkish, isn't it? dango
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6:49pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Timsey says...

Why is the first story on BBC South news today with Queen Sally Taylor about Virgin airlines which happened yesterday? A major fire at Southampton docks affecting thousands of residents not knowing if the smoke was safe was the second story and just 30 seconds and 2 seconds of film shown.
Why is the first story on BBC South news today with Queen Sally Taylor about Virgin airlines which happened yesterday? A major fire at Southampton docks affecting thousands of residents not knowing if the smoke was safe was the second story and just 30 seconds and 2 seconds of film shown. Timsey
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6:49pm Tue 17 Apr 12

clausentum says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....
Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?
Right, look at the plans that Helius submitted then and they have an OIIL FIRED boiler in the plant, something which was pointed out to them in our public response! I suggest you go off and look and then come back and eat humble pie when you see that's what was planned. The council also pointed out this hilarious error. experienced engineers they might be but we fell about laughing when someone spotted it. So why don't you go and find out for yourself and take your own advice :D
Of course I know there is an oil fired boiler in the plan! That's not the point. It's there because the plant itself needs to be heated when the main generator boilers are turned off, or even to provide emergency seedcorn power to bring the main plant up. If this plant is designed to operate at peak times only and then remain on standby at other times they are not going to keep it fired up 24x 7 just to keep the working areas warm are they? Use your loaf. How can you - let alone the inept councillors who seem to know nothing about the subject at all - be so silly as to think this is some kind of error? Are you so foolish as to suggest the entire plant has to be kept on simply to create the domestic heat for workers as specified in the Factories Act? That isn't very green is it. Has it not occurred to you that even down at Fawley - Britain's largest oil refinery - they use natural gas for office heating? Have you thought to wonder why? Do you think that was also down to some crazy oversight on the part of the Refnery planners that it needs the wise woman from Freemantle to point out? It is not a hilarious error - but you and the other nimbies are making massive fools ofyourselves.
QED :-)

It would be just and honourable if the Strident Shrill Siren ate "humble pie,"in acknowledgment of your superior knowledge and plethora of facts, but that is unlikely to happen.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!! Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!! Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish. Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would! btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....[/p][/quote]Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?[/p][/quote]Right, look at the plans that Helius submitted then and they have an OIIL FIRED boiler in the plant, something which was pointed out to them in our public response! I suggest you go off and look and then come back and eat humble pie when you see that's what was planned. The council also pointed out this hilarious error. experienced engineers they might be but we fell about laughing when someone spotted it. So why don't you go and find out for yourself and take your own advice :D[/p][/quote]Of course I know there is an oil fired boiler in the plan! That's not the point. It's there because the plant itself needs to be heated when the main generator boilers are turned off, or even to provide emergency seedcorn power to bring the main plant up. If this plant is designed to operate at peak times only and then remain on standby at other times they are not going to keep it fired up 24x 7 just to keep the working areas warm are they? Use your loaf. How can you - let alone the inept councillors who seem to know nothing about the subject at all - be so silly as to think this is some kind of error? Are you so foolish as to suggest the entire plant has to be kept on simply to create the domestic heat for workers as specified in the Factories Act? That isn't very green is it. Has it not occurred to you that even down at Fawley - Britain's largest oil refinery - they use natural gas for office heating? Have you thought to wonder why? Do you think that was also down to some crazy oversight on the part of the Refnery planners that it needs the wise woman from Freemantle to point out? It is not a hilarious error - but you and the other nimbies are making massive fools ofyourselves.[/p][/quote]QED :-) It would be just and honourable if the Strident Shrill Siren ate "humble pie,"in acknowledgment of your superior knowledge and plethora of facts, but that is unlikely to happen. clausentum
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7:39pm Tue 17 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party.
But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con !
Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party. But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con ! BillyTheKid
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7:42pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dango says...

I can see hardly any smoke coming from it at the moment. BBC South Today reported that 'the fire could burn for several says'. Perhaps a tad over-pessimistic, I hope.
I can see hardly any smoke coming from it at the moment. BBC South Today reported that 'the fire could burn for several says'. Perhaps a tad over-pessimistic, I hope. dango
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7:44pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dango says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party.
But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con !
I reckon they are one and the same, Southy's misuse of the English Language is an obvious tactic to sway our thoughts ;-)
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party. But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con ![/p][/quote]I reckon they are one and the same, Southy's misuse of the English Language is an obvious tactic to sway our thoughts ;-) dango
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8:10pm Tue 17 Apr 12

cantthinkofone says...

I saw women walking through freemantle this evening, covering their faces because of the smoke.

#creepingsharia
I saw women walking through freemantle this evening, covering their faces because of the smoke. #creepingsharia cantthinkofone
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8:15pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dango says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
I saw women walking through freemantle this evening, covering their faces because of the smoke.

#creepingsharia
LOL
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: I saw women walking through freemantle this evening, covering their faces because of the smoke. #creepingsharia[/p][/quote]LOL dango
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8:47pm Tue 17 Apr 12

skin2000 says...

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.
[quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district. skin2000
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8:52pm Tue 17 Apr 12

skin2000 says...

loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I can see why you call yourself Loosehead. skin2000
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9:05pm Tue 17 Apr 12

loosehead says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....
Sorry to say this to you again but do you read the Governments laws? since the council agreed with you to oppose this generator the Government has changed the planning laws. it states Sustainability as a criteria to pass planning just to stop the NIMBY protests against green energy ( wind farms).
I don't know why politicians of all colour flock to your banner I can only guess they want to keep you sweet where I don't need to do that.
any manufacturing plant has to have fire dampening precautions in place ( sprinklers) & as the BIO MASS would be using wood chip it would have to implement those safe guards as to Air quality as my last company the chimney will have detectors in for health officers to get readings from to see if they're dispersing toxic waste into the atmosphere.
Friends of the Earth must know that as should any conservation group.
Maybe we should shut Millbrook rd & all main roads into the city to all cars & motor vehicles & all ride push bikes or bring back the horse then the air quality would be great.
So Sorry your arguments just don't stack up
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!! Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!! Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish. Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would! btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....[/p][/quote]Sorry to say this to you again but do you read the Governments laws? since the council agreed with you to oppose this generator the Government has changed the planning laws. it states Sustainability as a criteria to pass planning just to stop the NIMBY protests against green energy ( wind farms). I don't know why politicians of all colour flock to your banner I can only guess they want to keep you sweet where I don't need to do that. any manufacturing plant has to have fire dampening precautions in place ( sprinklers) & as the BIO MASS would be using wood chip it would have to implement those safe guards as to Air quality as my last company the chimney will have detectors in for health officers to get readings from to see if they're dispersing toxic waste into the atmosphere. Friends of the Earth must know that as should any conservation group. Maybe we should shut Millbrook rd & all main roads into the city to all cars & motor vehicles & all ride push bikes or bring back the horse then the air quality would be great. So Sorry your arguments just don't stack up loosehead
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9:14pm Tue 17 Apr 12

loosehead says...

skin2000 wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.
I lived in Millbrook in Freshfield road & I can think of at least two wood yards off of foundry Lane plus Montague Meyers in the docks plus all those trees in the American dump.
Christ I never heard or new that we were all in danger of these places going up in fire oh! how lucky we were.
should ban any trees or wood yards any where near houses.
mind you the people of that area don't seem to give a **** about the total destruction of a residential area by developers,
Exactly what do you think of your chances if Fawley went up?
what of your chances if the Methane gas at the sewage works exploded?
To ask the question you've asked is ridiculous I would if I could afford it quite happily buy a house that close & once I'd bought it I wouldn't moan about it
[quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.[/p][/quote]I lived in Millbrook in Freshfield road & I can think of at least two wood yards off of foundry Lane plus Montague Meyers in the docks plus all those trees in the American dump. Christ I never heard or new that we were all in danger of these places going up in fire oh! how lucky we were. should ban any trees or wood yards any where near houses. mind you the people of that area don't seem to give a **** about the total destruction of a residential area by developers, Exactly what do you think of your chances if Fawley went up? what of your chances if the Methane gas at the sewage works exploded? To ask the question you've asked is ridiculous I would if I could afford it quite happily buy a house that close & once I'd bought it I wouldn't moan about it loosehead
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9:16pm Tue 17 Apr 12

loosehead says...

skin2000 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.
I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?
[quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.[/p][/quote]I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000? loosehead
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9:20pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dango says...

skin2000 wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.
I wonder where some people think that the nice juicy electricamity stuff they all enjoy to power their laptops, phones, T.V.'s fridges, cookers, (and in some cases, smug faced c&*ks in their G-Whizz's and Prius') is going to come from in the future? We can't all knit and tie-die our lives out of an energy crisis, you know. Biomass, why not, let's burn a few unused pallets or used chip-board, and use carbon capture filters. How do you want to get your electricimaty? Wind farms, pah, they coudn't power my ex-wifes ****. Wave power? Hello, *waves a not very power full wave. Nuclear, or hydrogen fuel cell. Yes, now you're catching on. Except converting hydrogen is a hard process and very costly, and who wants higher bills? Nuclear, face it, it's the only way. Like it or lump it. Did I mention Hitler?
[quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.[/p][/quote]I wonder where some people think that the nice juicy electricamity stuff they all enjoy to power their laptops, phones, T.V.'s fridges, cookers, (and in some cases, smug faced c&*ks in their G-Whizz's and Prius') is going to come from in the future? We can't all knit and tie-die our lives out of an energy crisis, you know. Biomass, why not, let's burn a few unused pallets or used chip-board, and use carbon capture filters. How do you want to get your electricimaty? Wind farms, pah, they coudn't power my ex-wifes ****. Wave power? Hello, *waves a not very power full wave. Nuclear, or hydrogen fuel cell. Yes, now you're catching on. Except converting hydrogen is a hard process and very costly, and who wants higher bills? Nuclear, face it, it's the only way. Like it or lump it. Did I mention Hitler? dango
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9:28pm Tue 17 Apr 12

190385saints says...

lil_tink_2009 wrote:
is the smoke definately not toxic as the smoke is drifting up into to town and it smells awful!!
I would think that it def' is toxic. For the Daily Echo to suggest/ or be told otherwise is clearly wrong.
[quote][p][bold]lil_tink_2009[/bold] wrote: is the smoke definately not toxic as the smoke is drifting up into to town and it smells awful!![/p][/quote]I would think that it def' is toxic. For the Daily Echo to suggest/ or be told otherwise is clearly wrong. 190385saints
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9:31pm Tue 17 Apr 12

skin2000 says...

dango wrote:
skin2000 wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.
I wonder where some people think that the nice juicy electricamity stuff they all enjoy to power their laptops, phones, T.V.'s fridges, cookers, (and in some cases, smug faced c&*ks in their G-Whizz's and Prius') is going to come from in the future? We can't all knit and tie-die our lives out of an energy crisis, you know. Biomass, why not, let's burn a few unused pallets or used chip-board, and use carbon capture filters. How do you want to get your electricimaty? Wind farms, pah, they coudn't power my ex-wifes ****. Wave power? Hello, *waves a not very power full wave. Nuclear, or hydrogen fuel cell. Yes, now you're catching on. Except converting hydrogen is a hard process and very costly, and who wants higher bills? Nuclear, face it, it's the only way. Like it or lump it. Did I mention Hitler?
Why do you think Biomass is the answer? its not the case of burning a few pallets. You did not mention Hitler.
[quote][p][bold]dango[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.[/p][/quote]I wonder where some people think that the nice juicy electricamity stuff they all enjoy to power their laptops, phones, T.V.'s fridges, cookers, (and in some cases, smug faced c&*ks in their G-Whizz's and Prius') is going to come from in the future? We can't all knit and tie-die our lives out of an energy crisis, you know. Biomass, why not, let's burn a few unused pallets or used chip-board, and use carbon capture filters. How do you want to get your electricimaty? Wind farms, pah, they coudn't power my ex-wifes ****. Wave power? Hello, *waves a not very power full wave. Nuclear, or hydrogen fuel cell. Yes, now you're catching on. Except converting hydrogen is a hard process and very costly, and who wants higher bills? Nuclear, face it, it's the only way. Like it or lump it. Did I mention Hitler?[/p][/quote]Why do you think Biomass is the answer? its not the case of burning a few pallets. You did not mention Hitler. skin2000
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9:35pm Tue 17 Apr 12

dango says...

skin2000 wrote:
dango wrote:
skin2000 wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.
I wonder where some people think that the nice juicy electricamity stuff they all enjoy to power their laptops, phones, T.V.'s fridges, cookers, (and in some cases, smug faced c&*ks in their G-Whizz's and Prius') is going to come from in the future? We can't all knit and tie-die our lives out of an energy crisis, you know. Biomass, why not, let's burn a few unused pallets or used chip-board, and use carbon capture filters. How do you want to get your electricimaty? Wind farms, pah, they coudn't power my ex-wifes ****. Wave power? Hello, *waves a not very power full wave. Nuclear, or hydrogen fuel cell. Yes, now you're catching on. Except converting hydrogen is a hard process and very costly, and who wants higher bills? Nuclear, face it, it's the only way. Like it or lump it. Did I mention Hitler?
Why do you think Biomass is the answer? its not the case of burning a few pallets. You did not mention Hitler.
thank Mussolini for that.
[quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dango[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.[/p][/quote]I wonder where some people think that the nice juicy electricamity stuff they all enjoy to power their laptops, phones, T.V.'s fridges, cookers, (and in some cases, smug faced c&*ks in their G-Whizz's and Prius') is going to come from in the future? We can't all knit and tie-die our lives out of an energy crisis, you know. Biomass, why not, let's burn a few unused pallets or used chip-board, and use carbon capture filters. How do you want to get your electricimaty? Wind farms, pah, they coudn't power my ex-wifes ****. Wave power? Hello, *waves a not very power full wave. Nuclear, or hydrogen fuel cell. Yes, now you're catching on. Except converting hydrogen is a hard process and very costly, and who wants higher bills? Nuclear, face it, it's the only way. Like it or lump it. Did I mention Hitler?[/p][/quote]Why do you think Biomass is the answer? its not the case of burning a few pallets. You did not mention Hitler.[/p][/quote]thank Mussolini for that. dango
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10:07pm Tue 17 Apr 12

skin2000 says...

loosehead wrote:
skin2000 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.
I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?
I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.[/p][/quote]I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?[/p][/quote]I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000. skin2000
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10:55pm Tue 17 Apr 12

freefinker says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party.
But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con !
.. pardon!!
Would you like to point to any misinformation I have spread?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party. But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con ![/p][/quote].. pardon!! Would you like to point to any misinformation I have spread? freefinker
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3:58am Wed 18 Apr 12

clausentum says...

freefinker wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party.
But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con !
.. pardon!!
Would you like to point to any misinformation I have spread?
It's a Troll. In previous threads, a self-confessed, smart-@rsed, smug, self-grandising and, not-so-intelligent Troll. Don't feed the Troll.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party. But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con ![/p][/quote].. pardon!! Would you like to point to any misinformation I have spread?[/p][/quote]It's a Troll. In previous threads, a self-confessed, smart-@rsed, smug, self-grandising and, not-so-intelligent Troll. Don't feed the Troll. clausentum
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4:03am Wed 18 Apr 12

The Wickham Man says...

skin2000 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
skin2000 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.
I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?
I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.
So what? I care about "the environment" and I want this station to be built. Know why? Because if we don't have stations like this we are either going to suffer mass power cuts at leak times that will kill people, or the price of electricity is going to go up even more so the poor and the old can't afford it, or we are going to have to keep burning coal and coal contains more sulphur dioxide and hydrocarbons than biomass. I'd be happy to have more nuclear power but I bet you'd be opposed to that too. We have to provide the power for the next generation to come but you just want to opt out of the decision because you don't want any industry that has a chimney even if it brings jobs to the area. You aren't an environmentalist at all - you're just a snob and a moral coward hiding behind the word.
[quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.[/p][/quote]I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?[/p][/quote]I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.[/p][/quote]So what? I care about "the environment" and I want this station to be built. Know why? Because if we don't have stations like this we are either going to suffer mass power cuts at leak times that will kill people, or the price of electricity is going to go up even more so the poor and the old can't afford it, or we are going to have to keep burning coal and coal contains more sulphur dioxide and hydrocarbons than biomass. I'd be happy to have more nuclear power but I bet you'd be opposed to that too. We have to provide the power for the next generation to come but you just want to opt out of the decision because you don't want any industry that has a chimney even if it brings jobs to the area. You aren't an environmentalist at all - you're just a snob and a moral coward hiding behind the word. The Wickham Man
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4:22am Wed 18 Apr 12

clausentum says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
skin2000 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
skin2000 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.
I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?
I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.
So what? I care about "the environment" and I want this station to be built. Know why? Because if we don't have stations like this we are either going to suffer mass power cuts at leak times that will kill people, or the price of electricity is going to go up even more so the poor and the old can't afford it, or we are going to have to keep burning coal and coal contains more sulphur dioxide and hydrocarbons than biomass. I'd be happy to have more nuclear power but I bet you'd be opposed to that too. We have to provide the power for the next generation to come but you just want to opt out of the decision because you don't want any industry that has a chimney even if it brings jobs to the area. You aren't an environmentalist at all - you're just a snob and a moral coward hiding behind the word.
You are on a loser.

Reason, rational thinking, commonsense, persuasive argument, applied-intellect, factual evidence and visionary perspective, are lousy attributes when confronted with: silly-billy tree-huggers who are irrational, histrionic, mildly hysterical, factually-bankrupt and deafened by their own chatter-mongering.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.[/p][/quote]I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?[/p][/quote]I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.[/p][/quote]So what? I care about "the environment" and I want this station to be built. Know why? Because if we don't have stations like this we are either going to suffer mass power cuts at leak times that will kill people, or the price of electricity is going to go up even more so the poor and the old can't afford it, or we are going to have to keep burning coal and coal contains more sulphur dioxide and hydrocarbons than biomass. I'd be happy to have more nuclear power but I bet you'd be opposed to that too. We have to provide the power for the next generation to come but you just want to opt out of the decision because you don't want any industry that has a chimney even if it brings jobs to the area. You aren't an environmentalist at all - you're just a snob and a moral coward hiding behind the word.[/p][/quote]You are on a loser. Reason, rational thinking, commonsense, persuasive argument, applied-intellect, factual evidence and visionary perspective, are lousy attributes when confronted with: silly-billy tree-huggers who are irrational, histrionic, mildly hysterical, factually-bankrupt and deafened by their own chatter-mongering. clausentum
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6:48am Wed 18 Apr 12

f1fan says...

I am asthmatic and the smoke affected me from about 5.20 pm at work on hill lane last night, I am still suffering this morning, it is not nice
I am asthmatic and the smoke affected me from about 5.20 pm at work on hill lane last night, I am still suffering this morning, it is not nice f1fan
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8:48am Wed 18 Apr 12

loosehead says...

skin2000 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
skin2000 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.
Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?
I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.
I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?
I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.
I listened to the NO brigade & in the beginning as there was no other argument I agreed with it because of health.
then the people in the know started posting & I realised there was something wrong with the NO argument so I did a little research & found the NO argument to be biased so I asked if it was them being NIMBY's & the answer was yes so I would listen to the truth but to knock it because it's ugly & then say as some have said thank God BAT have gone just showed what kind of people the no campaign are.
if you burn old wood( trees ) & plant new ones the carbon released into the atmosphere will be cancelled out by the young saplings you've planted so no negative effect on the environment from that.
if you say the transportation of the wood chip would cause pollution well the company has said once running they would try to source the product locally ( UK ) so bang goes that argument which brings us back to ugly building doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: "A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas" Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards. Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect? What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.[/p][/quote]I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?[/p][/quote]I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.[/p][/quote]I listened to the NO brigade & in the beginning as there was no other argument I agreed with it because of health. then the people in the know started posting & I realised there was something wrong with the NO argument so I did a little research & found the NO argument to be biased so I asked if it was them being NIMBY's & the answer was yes so I would listen to the truth but to knock it because it's ugly & then say as some have said thank God BAT have gone just showed what kind of people the no campaign are. if you burn old wood( trees ) & plant new ones the carbon released into the atmosphere will be cancelled out by the young saplings you've planted so no negative effect on the environment from that. if you say the transportation of the wood chip would cause pollution well the company has said once running they would try to source the product locally ( UK ) so bang goes that argument which brings us back to ugly building doesn't it? loosehead
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8:55am Wed 18 Apr 12

loosehead says...

If a government came forward & paid to have installed in every building solar panels & UVF panels ( I hope I said that right) I would vote for them.
Solar for power & money saving.
UVF for hot water saving money this would also put power into the grid cutting back on the need for new generation.
before I'm ripped into Solar energy can cut the need for power stations being on 24/7 it could also negate the need for say the BIO Mass or a Nuclear generator. just think of it every building producing electricity?
If a government came forward & paid to have installed in every building solar panels & UVF panels ( I hope I said that right) I would vote for them. Solar for power & money saving. UVF for hot water saving money this would also put power into the grid cutting back on the need for new generation. before I'm ripped into Solar energy can cut the need for power stations being on 24/7 it could also negate the need for say the BIO Mass or a Nuclear generator. just think of it every building producing electricity? loosehead
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