Firefighters tackle large blaze at docks (From Daily Echo)

is the smoke definately not toxic as the smoke is drifting up into to town and it smells awful!!

Always wondered what would happen if this caught fire, this will burn/smoulder for days if not weeks !

Damned fores.

How are you supposed to not breathe it in? It stinks.

Can smell the smoke as far down as Ocean Village

That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.

They are nowhere near extinguishing it yet. Looks out of control from where I am flames at least 40ft high.

It is now 13:00 Hrs, The smoke is laying at street level, here at central station people are walking to and from, protecting themselves as best that they can from the putrid effects they are suffering from. As it is a scrap metal fire, it will contain Plastics, Rubber, varying types of paints, plus other elements given off during the fire. It is akin to an old industrial smog.
A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas.

It went out on the radios as a Chemical Incident. Smelt repulsive near the docks.

This is right by my house, and a few thousand more besides!

And is exactly why it would be FARCICAL to put an even more flammable Biomass Station here.

It was putrid and makes you cough! however,, good job the wind has changed and it blowing it out of the area, if there was no wind it would have been dangerous, the road would have had to be closed and the railway line probably too, not to mention all the residents, schools, nurseries nearby!!

NO BIOMASS!

AndyVD wrote:
That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.

I think you'll find that that is coming from Portsmouth and quite normal:-)

Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass
.co.uk/

Fires, murders, fires involving murder, that's all that seems to be in the Echo lately. I'd suggest checking for a body once it's out.

"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass

.co.uk/

We're all opposed to it Michael. I believe there's a meeting very shortly with Planning PLEASE do not let these people build that plant here - this has also been evidenced by other Plants catching fire, more recently the one at Tilbury!

You can smell it in Hythe which makes a lovely cocktail when mixed with the usual smells from Esso.

As the air already smells horrible and is probably harmful to our lungs, does that mean it's ok for me to have a cigarette in the pub at lunchtime, as it'll probably be healthier for those around me?

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start. nosouthamptonbiomass .co.uk/

for those against the powerstation, i suggest you turn off ur PC, monitor and not use your kettle, cooker, washingmachine etc!! Funny how you are against the re-generation of power yet happy to use it, STOP NOW, or get you power from solar or wind or somthing. and dont give this dribble about where etc, if dont want it then dont use it... As for this fire, what an unfortunate situation, im next to it but off wind so im rather lucky in the effects, i just wander how long it will last?

All the posts removed?

And you want to build a biomass next to it?!? On top of that you say 'No fires cant happen' Accidence and arson do happen. Then is us who have to suffer. People have tried to sell their houses because of this and they cant because of this stupid biomass!

My house started to fill with smoke an hour ago.... it still stinks.

Arthur Road.

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass

.co.uk/

Funny how Cllr Michael Ball can suddenly pop up and make a comment on this issue, and be opposed to his own Governments policy on issues such as Biomass. This comment has more than likely been placed here not by Cllr Ball, but by someone on his behalf to make it look like he is doing something, especially as the elections are now only what 2 weeks away, and he has to raise his profile some how, in Freemantle as he has not been seen in the ward for the past 3 years. He has been like the scarlet pimpernel, they seek him here, they seek him there, no so ellusive as the scarlet pimpernel

lol!

really still goning on from 10 this morning i live in shirley towers n still big clowd of smoke

really still goning on from 10 this morning i live in shirley towers n still big clowd of smoke

really still goning on from 10 this morning i live in shirley towers n still big clowd of smoke

I too would like to know about the smoke as I have been smelling it for a while

dave1958 wrote:

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass


.co.uk/

Funny how Cllr Michael Ball can suddenly pop up and make a comment on this issue, and be opposed to his own Governments policy on issues such as Biomass. This comment has more than likely been placed here not by Cllr Ball, but by someone on his behalf to make it look like he is doing something, especially as the elections are now only what 2 weeks away, and he has to raise his profile some how, in Freemantle as he has not been seen in the ward for the past 3 years. He has been like the scarlet pimpernel, they seek him here, they seek him there, no so ellusive as the scarlet pimpernel

I didn't think Cllr's were allowed to make political statements whilst in purder?

birdsatalcatraz wrote:
I too would like to know about the smoke as I have been smelling it for a while

then stop smelling it, like the Echo said, it's not good for you :-)

So glad I sold my house and moved from Freemantle last year!

(smug faced) :-)

"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?

because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?

Are small animals safe outside, even thou they have said the fumes arn't toxic?

The sky its just plastered in smoke...

UnicornCandy wrote:
Are small animals safe outside, even thou they have said the fumes arn't toxic?

The sky its just plastered in smoke...

No, that's cloud - see the following uniform resource locator: http://www.metoffice
.gov.uk/weather/uk/r
adar/

It's still going strong, can see it from my office window opposite. It's raining now so that might help...

It`s now more steam than smoke Well done to the chap in the yellow crane with a huge bucket doing a great job scooping tons of water on to it.

davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?

So if smoke wasn't toxic, you'd be quite happy to breathe it in?

dtokez wrote:

davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?

because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?

He wants to breathe it in, get ill, then sue the Echo because "they dun said it weren't toxic herp derp".

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass


.co.uk/

We're all opposed to it Michael. I believe there's a meeting very shortly with Planning PLEASE do not let these people build that plant here - this has also been evidenced by other Plants catching fire, more recently the one at Tilbury!

You argue against the Bio Mass on health & safety reasons yet you don't oppose this scrap heap?
fire precautions will be far greater at the bio mass than at a heap of scrap metal.
new planning laws will now see the Bio Mass built so your better off getting as much for your area as possible from Helius or continue saying no getting nothing but still getting the generator the balls in your court.

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

dango wrote:

AndyVD wrote: That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.

I think you'll find that that is coming from Portsmouth and quite normal:-)

Dango, the smell is in Southampton where it originated from. I do hope this doesn't turn into another disaster associated with your city that you will be celebrating and remembering in a 100 years time?

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....

dtokez wrote:

davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?

because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?

eh?

according to the dictionary:

toxic=damages living organisms

by defenition if smoke is bad for humans to breathe it is toxic!

dtokez wrote:

davehills wrote:
"Not toxic" yet we are being told to "limit the risk of breathing in the smoke".

Why the contradictory statements?

because all smoke, toxic or not is bad for humans to breathe, surely you know this?

eh?

according to the dictionary:

toxic=damages living organisms

by defenition if smoke is bad for humans to breathe it is toxic!

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
This is right by my house, and a few thousand more besides!

And is exactly why it would be FARCICAL to put an even more flammable Biomass Station here.

It was putrid and makes you cough! however,, good job the wind has changed and it blowing it out of the area, if there was no wind it would have been dangerous, the road would have had to be closed and the railway line probably too, not to mention all the residents, schools, nurseries nearby!!

NO BIOMASS!

When I last looked at the plans there appeared to be a large chimney - and the plans were to burn biomass and not scrap. So in what way does the current situation relate to the proposed power station? All the various things you point out would therefore not occur and not be necessary so I fail to understand your point.

Cllr Michael Ball wrote:
Another reason I have been opposed to the Biomass plant being built from the start.
nosouthamptonbiomass

.co.uk/

If you really are Cllr Michael Ball can you explain clearly how you confuse a fire in a heap of scrap with a power station? Why have you not proposed the immediate banning of all cars by the same token?

Won't somebody please think of the children. Ahem.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....

Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?

Andy Locks Heath wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....

Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?

Right, look at the plans that Helius submitted then and they have an OIIL FIRED boiler in the plant, something which was pointed out to them in our public response! I suggest you go off and look and then come back and eat humble pie when you see that's what was planned. The council also pointed out this hilarious error. experienced engineers they might be but we fell about laughing when someone spotted it. So why don't you go and find out for yourself and take your own advice :D

Andy Locks Heath wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
This is right by my house, and a few thousand more besides!

And is exactly why it would be FARCICAL to put an even more flammable Biomass Station here.

It was putrid and makes you cough! however,, good job the wind has changed and it blowing it out of the area, if there was no wind it would have been dangerous, the road would have had to be closed and the railway line probably too, not to mention all the residents, schools, nurseries nearby!!

NO BIOMASS!

When I last looked at the plans there appeared to be a large chimney - and the plans were to burn biomass and not scrap. So in what way does the current situation relate to the proposed power station? All the various things you point out would therefore not occur and not be necessary so I fail to understand your point.

And you Andy have failed, very dismally to understand our point about fire risks......

The fire officer interviewed tried to play down the toxic nature of the smoke.
Of course it's toxic. A toxic cocktail of hydro carbons & cyanide chemicals.
Why were they permitted to store such vast amounts in one heap ?
Will they be taken to court ?
Will they be forced to pay for the fire services req'd ?

The smoke and smell or burning rubber reached Harefield this afternoon about 1445. Of course it's toxic, but as it big business its okay, unlike individuals wanting to smoke cigarettes.

Matt

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Andy Locks Heath wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....

Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?

Right, look at the plans that Helius submitted then and they have an OIIL FIRED boiler in the plant, something which was pointed out to them in our public response! I suggest you go off and look and then come back and eat humble pie when you see that's what was planned. The council also pointed out this hilarious error. experienced engineers they might be but we fell about laughing when someone spotted it. So why don't you go and find out for yourself and take your own advice :D

Of course I know there is an oil fired boiler in the plan! That's not the point. It's there because the plant itself needs to be heated when the main generator boilers are turned off, or even to provide emergency seedcorn power to bring the main plant up. If this plant is designed to operate at peak times only and then remain on standby at other times they are not going to keep it fired up 24x 7 just to keep the working areas warm are they? Use your loaf. How can you - let alone the inept councillors who seem to know nothing about the subject at all - be so silly as to think this is some kind of error? Are you so foolish as to suggest the entire plant has to be kept on simply to create the domestic heat for workers as specified in the Factories Act? That isn't very green is it. Has it not occurred to you that even down at Fawley - Britain's largest oil refinery - they use natural gas for office heating? Have you thought to wonder why? Do you think that was also down to some crazy oversight on the part of the Refnery planners that it needs the wise woman from Freemantle to point out? It is not a hilarious error - but you and the other nimbies are making massive fools ofyourselves.

Thanks to the recklessness of the people who kept this scrap in one gigantic heap, the people of Southampton & beyond are going to be subjected to a toxic cloud of hydro carbons & cyanide type chemicals for days or maybe weeks.
I hope they will face prosecution.

Driving through the thick black toxic tasting smoke wasn't any fun even with all vents closed i still got the most awfully smell. needless to say we are keeping our pets in tonight . There is bound to be an accident on millbrook road where the smoke is giving you no visability

Southy says not to panic, it's only a 'smokescreen' set off to distract attention away from all the wrong doings of the council.
Historically, this was often used as a method of distraction throughout the Thatcher years and proven to be true by the fact that the lady had Grey hair; an acknowledged symptom of 'passive smoke-screening'. There you can all rest easy now.

chazzerellie wrote:

dango wrote:

AndyVD wrote: That explains the weird burning plastic smell in Fareham then.

I think you'll find that that is coming from Portsmouth and quite normal:-)

Dango, the smell is in Southampton where it originated from. I do hope this doesn't turn into another disaster associated with your city that you will be celebrating and remembering in a 100 years time?

I'm not actually from Southampton, I ended up here by a twist of fate. I like the city, but I have to agree, a celebration of a shipping disaster is quite mawkish, isn't it?

Why is the first story on BBC South news today with Queen Sally Taylor about Virgin airlines which happened yesterday? A major fire at Southampton docks affecting thousands of residents not knowing if the smoke was safe was the second story and just 30 seconds and 2 seconds of film shown.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Andy Locks Heath wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....

Do you really want to go down the road of having all the errors in your post explained to you all over again? You are achieving nothing exccept demonstrating an unwillingness to learn or even acknowledge anything that does not conform to your initial prejudice. Your point about oil fired heating is probably the silliest so far - how can you be so arrogant as to assume that experienced planners and engineers overlook the kind of things you foolishly assume have not been considered? Do you really want it explained to you again?

Right, look at the plans that Helius submitted then and they have an OIIL FIRED boiler in the plant, something which was pointed out to them in our public response! I suggest you go off and look and then come back and eat humble pie when you see that's what was planned. The council also pointed out this hilarious error. experienced engineers they might be but we fell about laughing when someone spotted it. So why don't you go and find out for yourself and take your own advice :D

Of course I know there is an oil fired boiler in the plan! That's not the point. It's there because the plant itself needs to be heated when the main generator boilers are turned off, or even to provide emergency seedcorn power to bring the main plant up. If this plant is designed to operate at peak times only and then remain on standby at other times they are not going to keep it fired up 24x 7 just to keep the working areas warm are they? Use your loaf. How can you - let alone the inept councillors who seem to know nothing about the subject at all - be so silly as to think this is some kind of error? Are you so foolish as to suggest the entire plant has to be kept on simply to create the domestic heat for workers as specified in the Factories Act? That isn't very green is it. Has it not occurred to you that even down at Fawley - Britain's largest oil refinery - they use natural gas for office heating? Have you thought to wonder why? Do you think that was also down to some crazy oversight on the part of the Refnery planners that it needs the wise woman from Freemantle to point out? It is not a hilarious error - but you and the other nimbies are making massive fools ofyourselves.

QED :-)

It would be just and honourable if the Strident Shrill Siren ate "humble pie,"in acknowledgment of your superior knowledge and plethora of facts, but that is unlikely to happen.

Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party.
But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con !

I can see hardly any smoke coming from it at the moment. BBC South Today reported that 'the fire could burn for several says'. Perhaps a tad over-pessimistic, I hope.

BillyTheKid wrote:
Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party.
But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con !

I reckon they are one and the same, Southy's misuse of the English Language is an obvious tactic to sway our thoughts ;-)

I saw women walking through freemantle this evening, covering their faces because of the smoke.

#creepingsharia

cantthinkofone wrote:
I saw women walking through freemantle this evening, covering their faces because of the smoke.

#creepingsharia

LOL

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

Errm actually it doesn't 'kick down' anything. Your own Tory council aren't in favour of it Loosehead, nor are friends of the Earth nor the Green Party! and a few thousand residents, not all of whom even live in this area. We can't 'all be wrong'!!

Biomass plants cannot generate enough electricity and keep going with the amount of 'green wood' that they need to burn. And did you not see the terrible Biomass plant fire in Tilbury, or do you prefer just to call people NIMBY's without doing your research into it like we have. and believe me that research has been very thorough!!

Yes, when we first found out about it we looked at all the evidence, which we had to seek out ourselves because helius did not give us hardly any and when they did they didn't publicise nor answer any of our pertinent questions. The whole thing has been an unmittigated shambles by Helius from start to finish.

Tilbury was 'lucky' as it wasn't in a residential area - this one would be and NO local residents would benefit in any way whatsoever as Helius have made it quite clear that it will be fed into the national grid. and how would they heat this plant? by oil fired boiler - a well thought out scheme? there is not enough green wood to supply a few plants and it destroys environments, where do you think all this 'wood' is coming from then? So much more to all this but instead of just bandying names around, try looking at some of the evidence around these plants and you may then make an argument. Buying a house near docks isn't buying a house next to a hazardous power station. If i wanted to sell I can't as someone has already said because of the plant plans!! house prices will go down about £10k would you like it if you worked hard all your life and put work into a family home for it to lose that kind of value? I'm betting not.... people live here because they work in the docks, it's near the town and station, schools, nurseries etc. Present dock activity does not have the same impact that a huge power station would!

btw the scrap heap has only recently appeared! we will be asking questions about why this was and how it caught fire. I will reserve judgement until I know the facts - unlike yourself it seems

Well done to the Fire Service and the crane person for dealing with the fire which has been going all day....

Sorry to say this to you again but do you read the Governments laws? since the council agreed with you to oppose this generator the Government has changed the planning laws. it states Sustainability as a criteria to pass planning just to stop the NIMBY protests against green energy ( wind farms).
I don't know why politicians of all colour flock to your banner I can only guess they want to keep you sweet where I don't need to do that.
any manufacturing plant has to have fire dampening precautions in place ( sprinklers) & as the BIO MASS would be using wood chip it would have to implement those safe guards as to Air quality as my last company the chimney will have detectors in for health officers to get readings from to see if they're dispersing toxic waste into the atmosphere.
Friends of the Earth must know that as should any conservation group.
Maybe we should shut Millbrook rd & all main roads into the city to all cars & motor vehicles & all ride push bikes or bring back the horse then the air quality would be great.
So Sorry your arguments just don't stack up

skin2000 wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.

I lived in Millbrook in Freshfield road & I can think of at least two wood yards off of foundry Lane plus Montague Meyers in the docks plus all those trees in the American dump.
Christ I never heard or new that we were all in danger of these places going up in fire oh! how lucky we were.
should ban any trees or wood yards any where near houses.
mind you the people of that area don't seem to give a **** about the total destruction of a residential area by developers,
Exactly what do you think of your chances if Fawley went up?
what of your chances if the Methane gas at the sewage works exploded?
To ask the question you've asked is ridiculous I would if I could afford it quite happily buy a house that close & once I'd bought it I wouldn't moan about it

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.

I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?

skin2000 wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.

I wonder where some people think that the nice juicy electricamity stuff they all enjoy to power their laptops, phones, T.V.'s fridges, cookers, (and in some cases, smug faced c&*ks in their G-Whizz's and Prius') is going to come from in the future? We can't all knit and tie-die our lives out of an energy crisis, you know. Biomass, why not, let's burn a few unused pallets or used chip-board, and use carbon capture filters. How do you want to get your electricimaty? Wind farms, pah, they coudn't power my ex-wifes ****. Wave power? Hello, *waves a not very power full wave. Nuclear, or hydrogen fuel cell. Yes, now you're catching on. Except converting hydrogen is a hard process and very costly, and who wants higher bills? Nuclear, face it, it's the only way. Like it or lump it. Did I mention Hitler?

lil_tink_2009 wrote:
is the smoke definately not toxic as the smoke is drifting up into to town and it smells awful!!

I would think that it def' is toxic. For the Daily Echo to suggest/ or be told otherwise is clearly wrong.

dango wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.

I wonder where some people think that the nice juicy electricamity stuff they all enjoy to power their laptops, phones, T.V.'s fridges, cookers, (and in some cases, smug faced c&*ks in their G-Whizz's and Prius') is going to come from in the future? We can't all knit and tie-die our lives out of an energy crisis, you know. Biomass, why not, let's burn a few unused pallets or used chip-board, and use carbon capture filters. How do you want to get your electricimaty? Wind farms, pah, they coudn't power my ex-wifes ****. Wave power? Hello, *waves a not very power full wave. Nuclear, or hydrogen fuel cell. Yes, now you're catching on. Except converting hydrogen is a hard process and very costly, and who wants higher bills? Nuclear, face it, it's the only way. Like it or lump it. Did I mention Hitler?

Why do you think Biomass is the answer? its not the case of burning a few pallets. You did not mention Hitler.

skin2000 wrote:

dango wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Why would this Biomass plant be good for Southampton? I think Tone you might be a NIMBY if you lived 250 yards from a power station. Just think if on a hot sunny day all that wood went up in smoke, that would be a big plus for the people in the Freemantle and Shirley district.

I wonder where some people think that the nice juicy electricamity stuff they all enjoy to power their laptops, phones, T.V.'s fridges, cookers, (and in some cases, smug faced c&*ks in their G-Whizz's and Prius') is going to come from in the future? We can't all knit and tie-die our lives out of an energy crisis, you know. Biomass, why not, let's burn a few unused pallets or used chip-board, and use carbon capture filters. How do you want to get your electricimaty? Wind farms, pah, they coudn't power my ex-wifes ****. Wave power? Hello, *waves a not very power full wave. Nuclear, or hydrogen fuel cell. Yes, now you're catching on. Except converting hydrogen is a hard process and very costly, and who wants higher bills? Nuclear, face it, it's the only way. Like it or lump it. Did I mention Hitler?

Why do you think Biomass is the answer? its not the case of burning a few pallets. You did not mention Hitler.

thank Mussolini for that.

loosehead wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.

I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?

I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.

BillyTheKid wrote:
Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party.
But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con !

.. pardon!!
Would you like to point to any misinformation I have spread?

freefinker wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
Southy..... Freefinker......I'm beginning to think that these two are actually local Tories in role, using reverse psychology. They spread misinformation in such a comical, mock-idiot fashion, dam ning the Tories that everyone says "That can't be true !" and thus look more favourably on that party.
But Big Mac and George think they are for real. Or maybe they are part of the con !

.. pardon!!
Would you like to point to any misinformation I have spread?

It's a Troll. In previous threads, a self-confessed, smart-@rsed, smug, self-grandising and, not-so-intelligent Troll. Don't feed the Troll.

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.

I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?

I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.

So what? I care about "the environment" and I want this station to be built. Know why? Because if we don't have stations like this we are either going to suffer mass power cuts at leak times that will kill people, or the price of electricity is going to go up even more so the poor and the old can't afford it, or we are going to have to keep burning coal and coal contains more sulphur dioxide and hydrocarbons than biomass. I'd be happy to have more nuclear power but I bet you'd be opposed to that too. We have to provide the power for the next generation to come but you just want to opt out of the decision because you don't want any industry that has a chimney even if it brings jobs to the area. You aren't an environmentalist at all - you're just a snob and a moral coward hiding behind the word.

The Wickham Man wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.

I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?

I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.

So what? I care about "the environment" and I want this station to be built. Know why? Because if we don't have stations like this we are either going to suffer mass power cuts at leak times that will kill people, or the price of electricity is going to go up even more so the poor and the old can't afford it, or we are going to have to keep burning coal and coal contains more sulphur dioxide and hydrocarbons than biomass. I'd be happy to have more nuclear power but I bet you'd be opposed to that too. We have to provide the power for the next generation to come but you just want to opt out of the decision because you don't want any industry that has a chimney even if it brings jobs to the area. You aren't an environmentalist at all - you're just a snob and a moral coward hiding behind the word.

You are on a loser.

Reason, rational thinking, commonsense, persuasive argument, applied-intellect, factual evidence and visionary perspective, are lousy attributes when confronted with: silly-billy tree-huggers who are irrational, histrionic, mildly hysterical, factually-bankrupt and deafened by their own chatter-mongering.

I am asthmatic and the smoke affected me from about 5.20 pm at work on hill lane last night, I am still suffering this morning, it is not nice

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tone wrote:
"A personal opinion, these types of scrap metal yard's should not be in or near residential areas"

Or residential areas should not be built close to scrap metal yards. Or bought by people that mind being close to scrap metal yards.

Southampton is a working city and if you bought a home near the docks what did you expect?

What a bunch of NIMBYs - bring on the biomass plant, it would be a good thing for Southampton.

Totally agree with you.
Kind of kicks their argument down doesn't it?

I can see why you call yourself Loosehead.

I come on here & argue debate the subject I don't try ridiculing people but Skin 2000 ? what you were a skinhead in 2000?

I cannot debate with you, as you have already made your mind up about Biomass. You insult people who oppose the building of the power station by calling us NIMBYS. We only care about our enviroment. No I was not a skinhead in 2000.

I listened to the NO brigade & in the beginning as there was no other argument I agreed with it because of health.
then the people in the know started posting & I realised there was something wrong with the NO argument so I did a little research & found the NO argument to be biased so I asked if it was them being NIMBY's & the answer was yes so I would listen to the truth but to knock it because it's ugly & then say as some have said thank God BAT have gone just showed what kind of people the no campaign are.
if you burn old wood( trees ) & plant new ones the carbon released into the atmosphere will be cancelled out by the young saplings you've planted so no negative effect on the environment from that.
if you say the transportation of the wood chip would cause pollution well the company has said once running they would try to source the product locally ( UK ) so bang goes that argument which brings us back to ugly building doesn't it?

If a government came forward & paid to have installed in every building solar panels & UVF panels ( I hope I said that right) I would vote for them.
Solar for power & money saving.
UVF for hot water saving money this would also put power into the grid cutting back on the need for new generation.
before I'm ripped into Solar energy can cut the need for power stations being on 24/7 it could also negate the need for say the BIO Mass or a Nuclear generator. just think of it every building producing electricity?