'Crashed plane' was actually an optical illusion (From Daily Echo)

The Totland Triangle!

"5 miles off"
Disappeared into the horizon

Oh OK...I get it they were dropping the cocaine off the boat.

Yes Hants police stand down!!!!

I must try some of that tea next time I visit The Needles.

air traffic control would have been able to confirm whether or not a plane cam down in seconds !? so why was there a full scale emergency search !?

Because any aircraft flying really low that side of the IoW would probably be below radar coverage and not necessarily in radio contact with ATC as it's outside of controlled airspace.

meechy wrote:
Because any aircraft flying really low that side of the IoW would probably be below radar coverage and not necessarily in radio contact with ATC as it's outside of controlled airspace.

but it would have had to have taken off from somewhere where its take off was recorded obviously. so surely it should only take a few seconds to work out if any planes are missing from the solent area !? we are not talking about crop dusting planes in the middle of nebraska... the solent is not a place you can loose a plane...

MGRA wrote:

meechy wrote:
Because any aircraft flying really low that side of the IoW would probably be below radar coverage and not necessarily in radio contact with ATC as it's outside of controlled airspace.

but it would have had to have taken off from somewhere where its take off was recorded obviously. so surely it should only take a few seconds to work out if any planes are missing from the solent area !? we are not talking about crop dusting planes in the middle of nebraska... the solent is not a place you can loose a plane...

I am assuming it was seen of the Needles.

The zones are Catergory D from 3,500 ft to 5,500 ft and Cat A from 5,500ft to FL195.

If it was below 5,500ft and VFR it would have been Cat D and would not require it contact ATC in any form, unless it encroached on a Cat A or C airspace.

http://www.ead.euroc
ontrol.int/eadbasic/
pamslight-5DF3D5E6AB
78E9109E9A80B7AC4232
82/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/
Charts/ENR/AIRAC/EG_
ENR_6_1_4_1_en_2011-
06-30.pdf

Clearly it was an alien envoy craft on its way to talk with our aquatic overlords.

Glad it was a false alarm!!!

ChandlersFordKev wrote:

MGRA wrote:

meechy wrote:
Because any aircraft flying really low that side of the IoW would probably be below radar coverage and not necessarily in radio contact with ATC as it's outside of controlled airspace.

but it would have had to have taken off from somewhere where its take off was recorded obviously. so surely it should only take a few seconds to work out if any planes are missing from the solent area !? we are not talking about crop dusting planes in the middle of nebraska... the solent is not a place you can loose a plane...

I am assuming it was seen of the Needles.

The zones are Catergory D from 3,500 ft to 5,500 ft and Cat A from 5,500ft to FL195.

If it was below 5,500ft and VFR it would have been Cat D and would not require it contact ATC in any form, unless it encroached on a Cat A or C airspace.

http://www.ead.euroc

ontrol.int/eadbasic/

pamslight-5DF3D5E6AB

78E9109E9A80B7AC4232

82/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/

Charts/ENR/AIRAC/EG_

ENR_6_1_4_1_en_2011-

06-30.pdf

so thanks for illustrating just how easy it would be for terrorists to attack fawley, the olympics and about 100 other locations that matter !!! is it really that easy ???

MGRA wrote:

ChandlersFordKev wrote:

MGRA wrote:

meechy wrote:
Because any aircraft flying really low that side of the IoW would probably be below radar coverage and not necessarily in radio contact with ATC as it's outside of controlled airspace.

but it would have had to have taken off from somewhere where its take off was recorded obviously. so surely it should only take a few seconds to work out if any planes are missing from the solent area !? we are not talking about crop dusting planes in the middle of nebraska... the solent is not a place you can loose a plane...

I am assuming it was seen of the Needles.

The zones are Catergory D from 3,500 ft to 5,500 ft and Cat A from 5,500ft to FL195.

If it was below 5,500ft and VFR it would have been Cat D and would not require it contact ATC in any form, unless it encroached on a Cat A or C airspace.

http://www.ead.euroc


ontrol.int/eadbasic/


pamslight-5DF3D5E6AB


78E9109E9A80B7AC4232


82/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/


Charts/ENR/AIRAC/EG_


ENR_6_1_4_1_en_2011-


06-30.pdf

so thanks for illustrating just how easy it would be for terrorists to attack fawley, the olympics and about 100 other locations that matter !!! is it really that easy ???

Not really. The fact is that they may and will see the aircraft. The fact is that if reported it may be possible for ATC to miss them, although they would be unlikely to miss it. However the emrergency services must act.

To answer you question about Fawley and London, as you approach Southampton about Calshot you enter the Southampton Control Zone, which is from surface to 2,000ft, Solent Control from 2 to 5, then London above. The same exists around London, so no it can't happen, in theory. However if someone is determined, no matter what exists they will do it.

Getting far too technical for me now!

Huffter wrote:
I must try some of that tea next time I visit The Needles.

Having read all the posts, I'm with you, I will take tea there any time.

Blardey gurd rapid response by all maritimers.

Maybe it was a "Foo Fighter", lol....just saying, bwahahahaha ;)

ChandlersFordKev wrote:

MGRA wrote:

ChandlersFordKev wrote:

MGRA wrote:

meechy wrote:
Because any aircraft flying really low that side of the IoW would probably be below radar coverage and not necessarily in radio contact with ATC as it's outside of controlled airspace.

but it would have had to have taken off from somewhere where its take off was recorded obviously. so surely it should only take a few seconds to work out if any planes are missing from the solent area !? we are not talking about crop dusting planes in the middle of nebraska... the solent is not a place you can loose a plane...

I am assuming it was seen of the Needles.

The zones are Catergory D from 3,500 ft to 5,500 ft and Cat A from 5,500ft to FL195.

If it was below 5,500ft and VFR it would have been Cat D and would not require it contact ATC in any form, unless it encroached on a Cat A or C airspace.

http://www.ead.euroc



ontrol.int/eadbasic/



pamslight-5DF3D5E6AB



78E9109E9A80B7AC4232



82/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/



Charts/ENR/AIRAC/EG_



ENR_6_1_4_1_en_2011-



06-30.pdf

so thanks for illustrating just how easy it would be for terrorists to attack fawley, the olympics and about 100 other locations that matter !!! is it really that easy ???

Not really. The fact is that they may and will see the aircraft. The fact is that if reported it may be possible for ATC to miss them, although they would be unlikely to miss it. However the emrergency services must act.

To answer you question about Fawley and London, as you approach Southampton about Calshot you enter the Southampton Control Zone, which is from surface to 2,000ft, Solent Control from 2 to 5, then London above. The same exists around London, so no it can't happen, in theory. However if someone is determined, no matter what exists they will do it.

so yes its then very easy to attack by air.... a small-ish aircraft enters monitored airspace after flying low but by that time there is no way on earth anyone could respond in time.... we are wide open.... GREAT !!!

MGRA wrote:

ChandlersFordKev wrote:

MGRA wrote:

ChandlersFordKev wrote:

MGRA wrote:

meechy wrote:
Because any aircraft flying really low that side of the IoW would probably be below radar coverage and not necessarily in radio contact with ATC as it's outside of controlled airspace.

but it would have had to have taken off from somewhere where its take off was recorded obviously. so surely it should only take a few seconds to work out if any planes are missing from the solent area !? we are not talking about crop dusting planes in the middle of nebraska... the solent is not a place you can loose a plane...

I am assuming it was seen of the Needles.

The zones are Catergory D from 3,500 ft to 5,500 ft and Cat A from 5,500ft to FL195.

If it was below 5,500ft and VFR it would have been Cat D and would not require it contact ATC in any form, unless it encroached on a Cat A or C airspace.

http://www.ead.euroc




ontrol.int/eadbasic/




pamslight-5DF3D5E6AB




78E9109E9A80B7AC4232




82/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/




Charts/ENR/AIRAC/EG_




ENR_6_1_4_1_en_2011-




06-30.pdf

so thanks for illustrating just how easy it would be for terrorists to attack fawley, the olympics and about 100 other locations that matter !!! is it really that easy ???

Not really. The fact is that they may and will see the aircraft. The fact is that if reported it may be possible for ATC to miss them, although they would be unlikely to miss it. However the emrergency services must act.

To answer you question about Fawley and London, as you approach Southampton about Calshot you enter the Southampton Control Zone, which is from surface to 2,000ft, Solent Control from 2 to 5, then London above. The same exists around London, so no it can't happen, in theory. However if someone is determined, no matter what exists they will do it.

so yes its then very easy to attack by air.... a small-ish aircraft enters monitored airspace after flying low but by that time there is no way on earth anyone could respond in time.... we are wide open.... GREAT !!!

What we should be asking is why such a massive project for the Olympics.

If we can't monitor a small aircraft, yet we are placing missiles on buildings and Sonic thingies.

I just wonder why we are going to such an extreme when this didn't happen for ANY Royal Wedding or indeed any event to my knowledge.

During the Olympics, I'm going to be as far away as possible, there is no doubt that the UK has had a certain threat and I'm out of here!

ChandlersFordKev wrote:

MGRA wrote:

meechy wrote: Because any aircraft flying really low that side of the IoW would probably be below radar coverage and not necessarily in radio contact with ATC as it's outside of controlled airspace.

but it would have had to have taken off from somewhere where its take off was recorded obviously. so surely it should only take a few seconds to work out if any planes are missing from the solent area !? we are not talking about crop dusting planes in the middle of nebraska... the solent is not a place you can loose a plane...

I am assuming it was seen of the Needles. The zones are Catergory D from 3,500 ft to 5,500 ft and Cat A from 5,500ft to FL195. If it was below 5,500ft and VFR it would have been Cat D and would not require it contact ATC in any form, unless it encroached on a Cat A or C airspace. http://www.ead.euroc ontrol.int/eadbasic/ pamslight-5DF3D5E6AB 78E9109E9A80B7AC4232 82/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/ Charts/ENR/AIRAC/EG_ ENR_6_1_4_1_en_2011- 06-30.pdf

Yep. As good a display of authentic frontier gibberish as I have seen on these pages.
Can we have all of that in English please?

are you sure they were "drinking tea".......

Donald2000 wrote:

ChandlersFordKev wrote:

MGRA wrote:

meechy wrote: Because any aircraft flying really low that side of the IoW would probably be below radar coverage and not necessarily in radio contact with ATC as it's outside of controlled airspace.

but it would have had to have taken off from somewhere where its take off was recorded obviously. so surely it should only take a few seconds to work out if any planes are missing from the solent area !? we are not talking about crop dusting planes in the middle of nebraska... the solent is not a place you can loose a plane...

I am assuming it was seen of the Needles. The zones are Catergory D from 3,500 ft to 5,500 ft and Cat A from 5,500ft to FL195. If it was below 5,500ft and VFR it would have been Cat D and would not require it contact ATC in any form, unless it encroached on a Cat A or C airspace. http://www.ead.euroc ontrol.int/eadbasic/ pamslight-5DF3D5E6AB 78E9109E9A80B7AC4232 82/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/ Charts/ENR/AIRAC/EG_ ENR_6_1_4_1_en_2011- 06-30.pdf

Yep. As good a display of authentic frontier gibberish as I have seen on these pages. Can we have all of that in English please?

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