Inquiry call into councillor's shock resignation (From Daily Echo)

Perhaps they should forget the past, forget the enquiry and just get on with doing the job.

Politicians,lies,enq
uiries; does anything ever change.

"There is no doubt that the councillor we have is the best man to lead the city back to where it needs to be."

That's the problem, we don't want to be led "back" we want to be led forward! We were going forward under the last council - it's the right direction to go in.
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"Efficiency Tsar" He was very efficient running away from his duties and responsibilities! (Typical Labour!!!). The Morrell of the story is there to be told!

The public need to know the truth.
If Williams lied he must step down as a councillor.
If Morrell lied he must step down as a councillor.
One is lying, Labour's Denham and Whitehead must investigate and then tell the truth.
This is making Southampton council into a yoke.

.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Huffter wrote:
Perhaps they should forget the past, forget the enquiry and just get on with doing the job.

No, no, no. You still haven't got it. You don't forget about the past, you learn from it. Then you respond in the present in a manner that provides the best chance of achieving the results you desire whilst remembering that the steps on the way are far more important than the destination. Simples.

freefinker wrote:
.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Probably down the bookies backing the wrong horse.

Williams told Morrel that unless he said he was ill Williams would have to resign for losing 2 canbiet members in a month. Lokks like he has to go anyway for misleading the public.

Williams told Morrel that unless he said he was ill Williams would have to resign for losing 2 canbiet members in a month. Lokks like he has to go anyway for misleading the public.

Williams told Morrel that unless he said he was ill Williams would have to resign for losing 2 canbiet members in a month. Lokks like he has to go anyway for misleading the public.

Williams told Morrel that unless he said he was ill Williams would have to resign for losing 2 canbiet members in a month. Lokks like he has to go anyway for misleading the public.

misbehaving wrote:
Williams told Morrel that unless he said he was ill Williams would have to resign for losing 2 canbiet members in a month. Lokks like he has to go anyway for misleading the public.

Sorry? Say that again.

This must be addressed by Eric Pickles as the Minister for Local Government.

Look this is a no brainer.Barnes Andrews resigns before the election as he felt Williams was lying about Refuse Collections this didn't even get a whisper by pro Labour or even anti Labour posts I have bought it up several times but was poo (i hope thats right)hooed as this was a disgruntled councillor.
Well now it's two councillors saying it so are we to believe both of these are lying & Williams is telling the truth?
All through the elections he would say something only for the unions to be upset & suddenly he would deny it & blame bad reporting.
Through Unite & Unison this council were elected but have they been suckered as well?
will they be calling Williams a Liar ?
Will no job cuts be another Lie?

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:
.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Probably down the bookies backing the wrong horse.

Ah wrong again !!!
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Just got back from very long weekend break ...............
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........ Has anything happened while i was away ......... Thats apart from the usual Tory posters frothing at the mouth again ......

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:
.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Probably down the bookies backing the wrong horse.

Ah wrong again !!!
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Just got back from very long weekend break ...............
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........ Has anything happened while i was away ......... Thats apart from the usual Tory posters frothing at the mouth again ......

Bah! Hypocrisy! ;)

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:
.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Probably down the bookies backing the wrong horse.

Ah wrong again !!!
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Just got back from very long weekend break ...............
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........ Has anything happened while i was away ......... Thats apart from the usual Tory posters frothing at the mouth again ......

Bah! Hypocrisy! ;)

Yes your specialist subject i think

Lone ranger, nice deflection but what are your views on this?

If this had happened under the Tories and say Royston Smith said one thing and then Jeremy Moulton came out and said something else you would be having a fit.

So do you not think it is right for the truth to be sought out as one of them has to be lying?

OceansofRed wrote:
Lone ranger, nice deflection but what are your views on this?

If this had happened under the Tories and say Royston Smith said one thing and then Jeremy Moulton came out and said something else you would be having a fit.

So do you not think it is right for the truth to be sought out as one of them has to be lying?

No deflection Oceans.. . The issue is that they both say that they are telling the truth ... ACCORDING TO THE ECHO ... and as you know the Echo and Murray are very politically biased towards the Tories in Southampton.
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So i dont really know the answer to the question I'm afraid.
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However, where is the enquiry into the truth on the Seaa Museum.
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£10m of taxpayers money used to bail it out ..... Despite promises that the money would com from grants.
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So why did the Tories or Smith or Hannides lie about that.
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Which of the two incidents is more serious ......... You decide !!

Welcome back Lone Ranger.
Surely you want the truth, one of them lied. The one who did should resign.
This has to be investigated.

I'm not sure what is worse;
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the falling out of Morrell & Williams,
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the faux outrage from Royston & Adrian (demanding an inquiry, what are they on?)
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Or the frothing at the mouth on here.
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Ridiculous

aldermoorboy wrote:
Welcome back Lone Ranger.
Surely you want the truth, one of them lied. The one who did should resign.
This has to be investigated.

I dont think that you or your fellow Tory supporters want the truth ....... You just want blood .. ,, along with the failed ex council leader who also failed in an attempt to be an MP .. the joke Lib Dem leader and the Echo.
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Thats fine ...... each to our own.
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But you did not acknowledge the farce of the Sea Museum .. Now why is that Aldermoorboy ?????
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Oh yes and thanks ...... its good to be back

All this story does is give Smith the oxygen he so obviously requires to exist. Are we going to have an enquiry into why the Tories in Southampton gave up and were so soundly defeated on May 3rd? That is what Tories here should be worried about. If there was a council election tomorrow the result would still be the same!! The Tories are useless and the electorate demonstrated their disgust with them on May 3rd. Get over it!!

freefinker wrote:
.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Nice of you to ask.

Unlike you, I do not sit in front of a computer screen all day.

It has been a beautiful, hot, sunny day, and I have been enjoying it.

With regard the Williams - Morrell story. It is a bit of a non-event. As Leader, Williams has to sort out his 'cabinet'. If Morrell does no like the job he has been given, or does not want to do it the way that he has been instructed, then someone else is found who will do it.

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:
.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Probably down the bookies backing the wrong horse.

Just because you backed the Donkey, and Royston lost, does not mean that I lost money on a thoroughbred.

Just to remind the Tory knuckleheads, Tories are doing sh%t in the polls!!
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http://ukpollingrepo
rt.co.uk/

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Just to remind the Tory knuckleheads, Tories are doing sh%t in the polls!!
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http://ukpollingrepo

rt.co.uk/

The siren voices on the opposition benches always sound attractive as they appear to offer simple pain free alternatives that they won't have to actually provide from their comfortable perches. No government has ever been popular in it's mid term as they are the ones with their fingers on the buttons and making unpleasant decisions. Between the mid term and the next election the pressure will come off and a couple of giveaway budgets will restore peoples faith. That's the way it's always been but you don't appear to have noticed.

Torchie1 wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Just to remind the Tory knuckleheads, Tories are doing sh%t in the polls!!
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http://ukpollingrepo


rt.co.uk/

The siren voices on the opposition benches always sound attractive as they appear to offer simple pain free alternatives that they won't have to actually provide from their comfortable perches. No government has ever been popular in it's mid term as they are the ones with their fingers on the buttons and making unpleasant decisions. Between the mid term and the next election the pressure will come off and a couple of giveaway budgets will restore peoples faith. That's the way it's always been but you don't appear to have noticed.

I have because interestingly you Tories were saying the same thing when you were in power. Your argument doesnt wash so I and normal people will ignore it.

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Just to remind the Tory knuckleheads, Tories are doing sh%t in the polls!!
,
http://ukpollingrepo



rt.co.uk/

The siren voices on the opposition benches always sound attractive as they appear to offer simple pain free alternatives that they won't have to actually provide from their comfortable perches. No government has ever been popular in it's mid term as they are the ones with their fingers on the buttons and making unpleasant decisions. Between the mid term and the next election the pressure will come off and a couple of giveaway budgets will restore peoples faith. That's the way it's always been but you don't appear to have noticed.

I have because interestingly you Tories were saying the same thing when you were in power. Your argument doesnt wash so I and normal people will ignore it.

Actually across the country the tories in Southampton's vote held up better than elsewhere so after all your hate mail & your Unions actions to bring down the Tory council you didn't do as well as you make out.
Now Ant why is it you went on about no job cuts or fortnightly bin collections yet Barnes-Andrews resigned his shadow cabinet post as he believed Williams was lying & there would be fortnightly collections?
Does this mean you were lying as well?
Now we have Morrell saying the same thing that Williams is a liar. So are you going to carry on supporting your leaders lies?
Aren't you as a close member of the Labour party supposed to be keeping quiet on this subject?
Is it a case of the cats away (Williams) so the mice will play ( you)?

Linesman wrote:

freefinker wrote:
.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Nice of you to ask.

Unlike you, I do not sit in front of a computer screen all day.

It has been a beautiful, hot, sunny day, and I have been enjoying it.

With regard the Williams - Morrell story. It is a bit of a non-event. As Leader, Williams has to sort out his 'cabinet'. If Morrell does no like the job he has been given, or does not want to do it the way that he has been instructed, then someone else is found who will do it.

So Linesman why is it this is the second Labour councillor to accuse Williams of lying & resign from Labours cabinet?
Come on you give me enough of your points of view so why not answer all our questions ?
Is Williams a liar or is it Banes Andrews & Morrell who are liars?

3 weeks in & the wheels are already falling off.Labour are a total joke and Williams is the biggest comedian.

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Just to remind the Tory knuckleheads, Tories are doing sh%t in the polls!!
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http://ukpollingrepo

rt.co.uk/

Ian why do you hide behind aliases all the time. we all now who you are.

All this whingeing from the LOSER Tories. Well In the words of the great Mark Twain, “Better a broken promise than none at all”.

Ant Smoking, first good morning.
Yes Labour won the election, because the Unions got their people on the street,paid for adverts, promised everything to all etc.
The question is will they keep their promises? I believe they cannot, so I believe they mis lead the voters.
Sea Museum is a success.
The question that won't go away is did Morrell lie or Williams lie.
The longer this goes on the longer Labour cannot be trusted. Labour must sort this out asap for their own case. IT UNDERMINES ALL LABOUR PEOPLE INCLUDING DENHAM AND WHITEHEAD.

misbehaving wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Just to remind the Tory knuckleheads, Tories are doing sh%t in the polls!!
,
http://ukpollingrepo


rt.co.uk/

Ian why do you hide behind aliases all the time. we all now who you are.

Please tell me Ian Who?

Lone ranger, I agree with you over sea city, there should be an enquiry. I'm not a Tory.or Labour. I'm a floating voter. I voted for Royston in 2010 but I voted for Denham since 92.

I actually think the labour group have got some decent hard working councillors like Don Thomas.

Now you've tried to deflect attention yet again and failed to do so l will ask you this.

Who is lying Williams or Morrell? And if there is nothing to hide why did the Labour party email round telling people not to comment on the story.

Surely if Cllr Williams has nothing to hide then his group wouldn't have been gagged?

OceansofRed wrote:
Lone ranger, I agree with you over sea city, there should be an enquiry. I'm not a Tory.or Labour. I'm a floating voter. I voted for Royston in 2010 but I voted for Denham since 92.

I actually think the labour group have got some decent hard working councillors like Don Thomas.

Now you've tried to deflect attention yet again and failed to do so l will ask you this.

Who is lying Williams or Morrell? And if there is nothing to hide why did the Labour party email round telling people not to comment on the story.

Surely if Cllr Williams has nothing to hide then his group wouldn't have been gagged?

I will answer you once again ..... I dont know ......... Why or How would I know?

Huffter wrote:
Perhaps they should forget the past, forget the enquiry and just get on with doing the job.

Good idea.

Labour are experts at forgetting the past!

aldermoorboy wrote:
Ant Smoking, first good morning.
Yes Labour won the election, because the Unions got their people on the street,paid for adverts, promised everything to all etc.
The question is will they keep their promises? I believe they cannot, so I believe they mis lead the voters.
Sea Museum is a success.
The question that won't go away is did Morrell lie or Williams lie.
The longer this goes on the longer Labour cannot be trusted. Labour must sort this out asap for their own case. IT UNDERMINES ALL LABOUR PEOPLE INCLUDING DENHAM AND WHITEHEAD.

Like i posted earlier .... You just want the blood of someone.
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Will they keep their promises .... Well i hope so ..... but there again did the Tory led Coalition keep their promises.
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Obviously the "books" show a black hole ...... and even BIGGER than was projected ..... .............. But still the Tories in Southampton CONTINUED TO SPEND making the hole bigger and deeper.
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Still i expect it will keep the failed ex leader and the editor of the Echo busy for the next week or two.
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I expect that between them they writing Thursday's front and third page of the Echo as i type.

Solomon's Boot wrote:

Huffter wrote:
Perhaps they should forget the past, forget the enquiry and just get on with doing the job.

Good idea.

Labour are experts at forgetting the past!

....And as for 'getting on with the job'

.....Blair used that one time and time again to paper over his **** ups. Lets not hear it again, pleeeeease!!

misbehaving wrote:
Williams told Morrel that unless he said he was ill Williams would have to resign for losing 2 canbiet members in a month. Lokks like he has to go anyway for misleading the public.

Its not misleading the public Royston got that wrong, its a matter for internal Labour party affairs.

Solomon's Boot wrote:

Solomon's Boot wrote:

Huffter wrote:
Perhaps they should forget the past, forget the enquiry and just get on with doing the job.

Good idea.

Labour are experts at forgetting the past!

....And as for 'getting on with the job'

.....Blair used that one time and time again to paper over his **** ups. Lets not hear it again, pleeeeease!!

Like the Torys mislead the public and other political partys how big that black hole really was, But its Capitalism weather if it Torys or Labour Capitalism will mislead.

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:
.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Probably down the bookies backing the wrong horse.

Just because you backed the Donkey, and Royston lost, does not mean that I lost money on a thoroughbred.

Irony is you will when they get to set the council tax in a few years time...

The loss of Keith Morrell is a great blow. He is one of the few members of the Labour Group with a sound political philosophy, and a great deal of experience as a councillor. Coming on top of the loss of Barnes-Andrews the sheer ineptitude of Williams is there for all to see. It is well known that he is clueless politically and that the thing that drives him is a desperate desire to be elected to parliament. If you add into the mix that he also does not have the backbone to tell the unelected martinets from Labour's Regional Office to clear off it is easy to see why there is such a shambles.There would be no better time to ask Williams to fall on his sword and elect a Leader with a clear Socialist political strategy, to get Southampton through the next few years of this dreadful coalition government whilst trying to maintain jobs and services. Sadly, this will restrict the list of possible contenders to about two or three, so poitically lightweight are the current group.

Red1918 wrote:
The loss of Keith Morrell is a great blow. He is one of the few members of the Labour Group with a sound political philosophy, and a great deal of experience as a councillor. Coming on top of the loss of Barnes-Andrews the sheer ineptitude of Williams is there for all to see. It is well known that he is clueless politically and that the thing that drives him is a desperate desire to be elected to parliament. If you add into the mix that he also does not have the backbone to tell the unelected martinets from Labour's Regional Office to clear off it is easy to see why there is such a shambles.There would be no better time to ask Williams to fall on his sword and elect a Leader with a clear Socialist political strategy, to get Southampton through the next few years of this dreadful coalition government whilst trying to maintain jobs and services. Sadly, this will restrict the list of possible contenders to about two or three, so poitically lightweight are the current group.

If you talk to Labour Councillors you find that there is only 3 that have Socialist values Thats not saying those 3 are Socialist just there values are), the rest are Total 100% Capitalist, they believe and follow what Milliband said "We need good Capitalism" and "We need reposable Capitalism" still wondering where you going to find such a thing as Good or Reposable Capitalist there no such thing Capitalism is all about greed for one self and a few of your elitest friends, you can only get reposable or good by sharing and that means turning to socialism.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Ant Smoking, first good morning.
Yes Labour won the election, because the Unions got their people on the street,paid for adverts, promised everything to all etc.
The question is will they keep their promises? I believe they cannot, so I believe they mis lead the voters.
Sea Museum is a success.
The question that won't go away is did Morrell lie or Williams lie.
The longer this goes on the longer Labour cannot be trusted. Labour must sort this out asap for their own case. IT UNDERMINES ALL LABOUR PEOPLE INCLUDING DENHAM AND WHITEHEAD.

Like i posted earlier .... You just want the blood of someone.
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Will they keep their promises .... Well i hope so ..... but there again did the Tory led Coalition keep their promises.
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Obviously the "books" show a black hole ...... and even BIGGER than was projected ..... .............. But still the Tories in Southampton CONTINUED TO SPEND making the hole bigger and deeper.
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Still i expect it will keep the failed ex leader and the editor of the Echo busy for the next week or two.
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I expect that between them they writing Thursday's front and third page of the Echo as i type.

Sorry even bigger than predicted?
firstly a blackhole is where you commit yourself on a spending spree & you don't have the money to pay it.
this is not the case here.
The Tory council made cuts which the unions & Labour fought them on at every turn.
The Tories told Labour they were expecting a further cut in funding fro government of approximately £45million.
That's why those pay cuts & loss of services last year had to happen.
Your beloved Labour party & the Unions disagreed with that & labour promised to restore pay & to do this he would cut 1,500 jobs plus increase tax.
out of those 1,500 job cuts the refuse workers would be one element (1in10)he then did a total U turn & denied saying it yet he's set up a review committee ( our expense) to review refuse services (fortnightly collections).
The pay repayment will be £7million on it's own so why when Labour must have expected at least £45million cut in funding did they promise to pay that amount out each year?
Could you please explain CONTINUED TO SPEND?
Sea City one off payment which through grants or money earned through the selling off of Millbrook industrial site has actually cost us nothing.
What about the near million pounds Labour spent finding the Saints ( a private company) a new site for a ground did Saints pay that back?

Hardly surprising most obvious NuLabourites on this site are trying to deflect attention from the real issue in hand and as I told a Tory friend other day, their people have the ball but like Munich V Chelsea their leader does not know how to score in open goal
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Certain sections of our political class through their disgraceful behaviour have contributed towards eroding the trust of disturbingly large number of people in our democracy, this shameful scandal is part of that process, so must be condemned in strongest possible terms
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Supporters of all three right of Thatcher parties should stop their tribalism and in my view (Obviously others are bound to have other ideas as well) rather than turning into political football this very serious issue should be separated in right order and addressed and culprits dealt with properly. No concessions should me made on the basis of personal friendships or political loyalties
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Cllr. Keith Morrell has already admitted that he agreed to lie with Cllr. Richard Williams. So if NuLabourites had any sense they should have kicked ‘SELF CONFESSED LIAR’ out of their party immediately. How come local Troy Leadership is not attacking NuLabour for retaining this kind of person as member of their Group? Can’t they see the open goal or they are incapable?
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Gagging orders issued by unelected official to democratically elected representatives of the people is unacceptable interference with ‘Freedom of Press’. Whoever within NuLabour accepts or supports it is guilty of contributing to their hypocritical lip service to freedoms of expression and press. This is similar to obnoxious behaviour of dictator whom North Koreans call ‘Dear Leader’. By failing to challenge gagging order NuLabour’s ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams in moral terms has contributed towards bringing the good name of our democracy and free society into disrepute. How come Royston Smith is not pinning Williams on this?

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Because Cllr. Williams is disputing Cllr. Morrell’s version of events, best thing to pull him down can be to ask for his removal on the basis of bad judgement i.e. copy what NuLabour leadership is doing to Cameron at national level over appointment of Coulson and giving job to Hunt. Although Cllr. Richard Williams could copy Cameron and with blessings of his party/tribe continue as Leader, this will again expose NuLabour as hypocrites who do not practise in Southampton what they demand of Cameron
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Keith Morrell’s and even Labour Group’s excuse that they have only just found out about shortage of money, proves their unsuitability for the job and could be another ‘lie’. When in opposition they had the right to that information, either they were not doing the job properly or were incapable or are not honest. This millstone can be hung around the necks of not only Cllr. Morrell and Williams but also rest of the right wing Labour Group
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Senior members of NuLabour like John Denham for the sake of their party should be using their massive influence within their party not only to remove ‘self confessed liar’ Cllr. Morrell from the Labour Group for agreeing to ‘LIE’ but also because of his past record of behaviour within both NuLabour and even ‘old’ Labour
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As senior figure John Denham should also persuade Cllr. Williams to stand down from Leader’s post while his role in this messy affair is investigated by some independent panel and also ask him to give up ambition of succeeding him in Itchen as MP

southy wrote:

Red1918 wrote:
The loss of Keith Morrell is a great blow. He is one of the few members of the Labour Group with a sound political philosophy, and a great deal of experience as a councillor. Coming on top of the loss of Barnes-Andrews the sheer ineptitude of Williams is there for all to see. It is well known that he is clueless politically and that the thing that drives him is a desperate desire to be elected to parliament. If you add into the mix that he also does not have the backbone to tell the unelected martinets from Labour's Regional Office to clear off it is easy to see why there is such a shambles.There would be no better time to ask Williams to fall on his sword and elect a Leader with a clear Socialist political strategy, to get Southampton through the next few years of this dreadful coalition government whilst trying to maintain jobs and services. Sadly, this will restrict the list of possible contenders to about two or three, so poitically lightweight are the current group.

If you talk to Labour Councillors you find that there is only 3 that have Socialist values Thats not saying those 3 are Socialist just there values are), the rest are Total 100% Capitalist, they believe and follow what Milliband said "We need good Capitalism" and "We need reposable Capitalism" still wondering where you going to find such a thing as Good or Reposable Capitalist there no such thing Capitalism is all about greed for one self and a few of your elitest friends, you can only get reposable or good by sharing and that means turning to socialism.

For once, I agree.

You could spend your whole life searching for a 'Reposable Capitalist' (is that how 'responsible' sounds in your head?).

Is a 'Reposable Capitalist' some kind of doll in a suit? Where can I buy one?

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
All this story does is give Smith the oxygen he so obviously requires to exist. Are we going to have an enquiry into why the Tories in Southampton gave up and were so soundly defeated on May 3rd? That is what Tories here should be worried about. If there was a council election tomorrow the result would still be the same!! The Tories are useless and the electorate demonstrated their disgust with them on May 3rd. Get over it!!

These may be good points in political ping pong, but can’t be excuse for Cllr. Keith Morrell to lie?
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Please remember he has admitted that he agreed with his 'Dear Leader' in the first place ‘to tell a lie’
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Morrell may have changed his mind for various reasons of his own:
Over the years he has proved to be a person in habit of blowing hot and cold. How many times he joined Militant and then left only to rejoin? He is the type of person who make followers of Trotsky appear unreliable (Personally I have always wondered why they keep on standing by him but then that is Trotskyites for you)
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He pretends to be on the left but was happy to jump in bed with Lib-Dem against decision of Southampton Labour Party's GMC, strangely that time Trotskyites also supported him and criticised me for defending party policy and refusing to cooperate with unprincipled low lifers
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He may have worked out that implementing cuts would have made him unelectable in Coxford so decided to give up few thousand pounds wage of cabinet post to make sure he does not end up permanently losing thousands of pounds he will be getting as councillor, because with anti Williams image without hardly doing any work in the ward he will certainly get elected on the back of exceptionally hard work of Cllr. Don Thomas
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He is no fool, but may have been slow to work out that cuts under NuLabour will make him unpopular, so this may simply be his investment to secure following from left while in fact keep on voting for cuts from back benches. Riding both horses!
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Why should even NuLabour want to have a member like that? Why not to expel him and avoid all the bad publicity for the party? Is NuLabour really that desperate that it wants to hold on to even people like Keith Morrell?

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Red1918 wrote:
The loss of Keith Morrell is a great blow. He is one of the few members of the Labour Group with a sound political philosophy, and a great deal of experience as a councillor. Coming on top of the loss of Barnes-Andrews the sheer ineptitude of Williams is there for all to see. It is well known that he is clueless politically and that the thing that drives him is a desperate desire to be elected to parliament. If you add into the mix that he also does not have the backbone to tell the unelected martinets from Labour's Regional Office to clear off it is easy to see why there is such a shambles.There would be no better time to ask Williams to fall on his sword and elect a Leader with a clear Socialist political strategy, to get Southampton through the next few years of this dreadful coalition government whilst trying to maintain jobs and services. Sadly, this will restrict the list of possible contenders to about two or three, so poitically lightweight are the current group.

If you talk to Labour Councillors you find that there is only 3 that have Socialist values Thats not saying those 3 are Socialist just there values are), the rest are Total 100% Capitalist, they believe and follow what Milliband said "We need good Capitalism" and "We need reposable Capitalism" still wondering where you going to find such a thing as Good or Reposable Capitalist there no such thing Capitalism is all about greed for one self and a few of your elitest friends, you can only get reposable or good by sharing and that means turning to socialism.

For once, I agree.

You could spend your whole life searching for a 'Reposable Capitalist' (is that how 'responsible' sounds in your head?).

Is a 'Reposable Capitalist' some kind of doll in a suit? Where can I buy one?

Try Action Man or Cindy doll that might be just a Reposable Capitalist. just a toy to play with as Right Wing likes to play with people lifes and take them to war

Paramjit I see Andy Coulson is being drag up to Scotland for lieing about T. Sheridan in court he getting charge with perjury

Red1918 wrote:
The loss of Keith Morrell is a great blow. He is one of the few members of the Labour Group with a sound political philosophy, and a great deal of experience as a councillor. Coming on top of the loss of Barnes-Andrews the sheer ineptitude of Williams is there for all to see. It is well known that he is clueless politically and that the thing that drives him is a desperate desire to be elected to parliament. If you add into the mix that he also does not have the backbone to tell the unelected martinets from Labour's Regional Office to clear off it is easy to see why there is such a shambles.There would be no better time to ask Williams to fall on his sword and elect a Leader with a clear Socialist political strategy, to get Southampton through the next few years of this dreadful coalition government whilst trying to maintain jobs and services. Sadly, this will restrict the list of possible contenders to about two or three, so poitically lightweight are the current group.

Is this your pay back time to Keith for past unprincipled opportunistic support for traitors of Labour pretending to be socialists who ignored the democratic decisions of GMC by staying in bed with party of the right, whom you lot now criticise for coalition partners of the Tories?
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I am not surprised but shocked that you have decided to back somebody who has already admitted that he agreed with your party’s ‘Dear Leader’ to ‘LIE’
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Yes I agree with you that your ‘Dear Leader’ Richards Williams will be the wrong person to succeed John Denham, who may be politically dodgy but works hard for his constituents, and is very clever guy otherwise. I doubt if John was in William’s position he would have given Keith Morrell the job
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Take my advice, you are a valued friend who should be trying to ditch the opportunistic baggage of the past rather than trying to be the captain of Titanic
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Alternatively if you must then have the courage to post under your real name so people know about your admiration love and loyalty to a ‘SELF CONFESSED LIAR’

southy wrote:
Paramjit I see Andy Coulson is being drag up to Scotland for lieing about T. Sheridan in court he getting charge with perjury

Thanks for good news

Condor Man wrote:
This must be addressed by Eric Pickles as the Minister for Local Government.

Are you trying to kick the thing in the long grass?

Linesman wrote:

freefinker wrote:
.. I just find it funny that the Lib Dem's have a 'leader' when there are only two of them.

Oh, and where are Linesman, Lone Ranger, et al?

Nice of you to ask.

Unlike you, I do not sit in front of a computer screen all day.

It has been a beautiful, hot, sunny day, and I have been enjoying it.

With regard the Williams - Morrell story. It is a bit of a non-event. As Leader, Williams has to sort out his 'cabinet'. If Morrell does no like the job he has been given, or does not want to do it the way that he has been instructed, then someone else is found who will do it.

Fair point it may be, but have you thought how by selecting Keith Morrell with unreliable past of all people for a responsible job reflects upon Williams’s judgement?
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Why on earth Lbour lot still have not kicked the man out, who in his own words agreed to 'LIE' and then through sheer opportunism, probably with desire to ride both horses of left and the right, changed his mind ending in not only doing massive damage to image of elected members but also to the credibility of so called Labour Party?

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Red1918 wrote:
The loss of Keith Morrell is a great blow. He is one of the few members of the Labour Group with a sound political philosophy, and a great deal of experience as a councillor. Coming on top of the loss of Barnes-Andrews the sheer ineptitude of Williams is there for all to see. It is well known that he is clueless politically and that the thing that drives him is a desperate desire to be elected to parliament. If you add into the mix that he also does not have the backbone to tell the unelected martinets from Labour's Regional Office to clear off it is easy to see why there is such a shambles.There would be no better time to ask Williams to fall on his sword and elect a Leader with a clear Socialist political strategy, to get Southampton through the next few years of this dreadful coalition government whilst trying to maintain jobs and services. Sadly, this will restrict the list of possible contenders to about two or three, so poitically lightweight are the current group.

If you talk to Labour Councillors you find that there is only 3 that have Socialist values Thats not saying those 3 are Socialist just there values are), the rest are Total 100% Capitalist, they believe and follow what Milliband said "We need good Capitalism" and "We need reposable Capitalism" still wondering where you going to find such a thing as Good or Reposable Capitalist there no such thing Capitalism is all about greed for one self and a few of your elitest friends, you can only get reposable or good by sharing and that means turning to socialism.

For once, I agree.

You could spend your whole life searching for a 'Reposable Capitalist' (is that how 'responsible' sounds in your head?).

Is a 'Reposable Capitalist' some kind of doll in a suit? Where can I buy one?

Try Action Man or Cindy doll that might be just a Reposable Capitalist. just a toy to play with as Right Wing likes to play with people lifes and take them to war

I was bought the 'Militant Action Man' figure by accident once, instead of the roving eyes feature all it did was sit in the corner of the room refusing to play with the other toys until they handed over even more money.

I tried to explain that those toys actually did something for money but it wouldn't listen and just seized up completely so I took it to the Bargain Bucket in Woolworths.

As I was walking out I could hear it shouting 'I hate this toy shop & I'll take you all down with me. Now hand it over. I'm a special toy, I want, I deserve'.

I believe he's still there and that was 15 years ago, he just couldn't get his head around basic economics no matter how much we tried and insisted I swap his little plastic M16 for a 'modern weapon, like a sharp stick'.