Tributes paid to cyclist killed in Forest accident

Daily Echo: Tributes paid to cyclist Mark Brummell killed in Forest accident Tributes paid to cyclist Mark Brummell killed in Forest accident

TRIBUTES have been paid to a cycling campaigner who has been killed in an accident.

Former university lecturer Mark Brummell was involved in a collision with a car driven by a man who was later arrested on suspicion of causing death by careless driving.

Mr Brummell was a member of Southampton Cycling Campaign, which aims to improve conditions for riders in the city.

His death comes just months after the group’s chairman, Lindsi Bluemel, suffered serious head injuries in a freak accident that occurred a few days after her helmet was stolen.

Lindsi, 56, of Southampton, came off her bicycle as it clipped a 16ft piece of plastic in the cycling lane of Wessex Way, Bournemouth.

She spent six days in intensive care and five days on a ward before being discharged from hospital.

Mr Brummell, 53, was killed in the New Forest on Monday evening.

Southampton Cycling Campaign spokesman Dily Gartside said: “Mark was a highly intelligent man who was able to understand any subject in great depth and get right to the heart of the problem.

“He was an amazing source of knowledge and information.”

Mr Brummell joined the physics department at the University of Southampton in the late 1980s but took early retirement about ten years ago on the grounds of ill health.

He was a popular figure at the Wellington Arms, in Freemantle, Southampton, where he enjoyed great success in the pub’s regular quiz nights.

He spent much of his time maintaining and restoring bicycles at his home.

Mrs Gartside added: “He’d only just finished building a replacement bike for my son, whose own cycle had been stolen. The replacement cost a fraction of what he’d have paid elsewhere – and was twice as good.

“Mark was a unique man who was truly irreplaceable.”

Professor Anne Tropper, head of the university’s quantum, light and matter group, also paid tribute.

“Mark was an outstanding and caring teacher who put immense effort into helping students with their career decisions,” she said.

Mr Brummell was killed at Ipley Crossroads on the B3056 Lyndhurst to Applemore road after going out for an evening ride.

He was in collision with a silvercoloured Renault Megane driven by a 59-year-old man from Christchurch, Dorset, who was arrested and later released on bail until September 18.

Anyone who witnessed the accident is asked to call Sgt Andy Lynch at Eastleigh police station on 101.

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10:04am Wed 30 May 12

The Salv says...

It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.
It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family. The Salv
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10:52am Wed 30 May 12

adkinsredarmy says...

My Heartfelt condolences go out to Marks Family. He will be missed by so many.

Such a tragic but avoidable incident and i hope justice pervails.

as the previous post says, we need urgent changes to legislation as we have an experienced cyclist dying so tragicly. motorists need to realise what damage they can do with their two ton killing machines. we do need safer roads but we need more education for drivers and i wouldent say tougher penalties but a more consistant approach when sentancing.
My Heartfelt condolences go out to Marks Family. He will be missed by so many. Such a tragic but avoidable incident and i hope justice pervails. as the previous post says, we need urgent changes to legislation as we have an experienced cyclist dying so tragicly. motorists need to realise what damage they can do with their two ton killing machines. we do need safer roads but we need more education for drivers and i wouldent say tougher penalties but a more consistant approach when sentancing. adkinsredarmy
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12:02pm Wed 30 May 12

bigfella777 says...

ohec wrote:
The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.
What was the guy in the renault arrested for? I would like to know.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.[/p][/quote]What was the guy in the renault arrested for? I would like to know. bigfella777
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12:37pm Wed 30 May 12

Georgem says...

bigfella777 wrote:
ohec wrote:
The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.
What was the guy in the renault arrested for? I would like to know.
Only in this country would someone care what a guy was arrested for, when a 93 year old pensioner was beaten in her own home.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.[/p][/quote]What was the guy in the renault arrested for? I would like to know.[/p][/quote]Only in this country would someone care what a guy was arrested for, when a 93 year old pensioner was beaten in her own home. Georgem
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1:27pm Wed 30 May 12

Huffter says...

Georgem wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
ohec wrote: The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.
What was the guy in the renault arrested for? I would like to know.
Only in this country would someone care what a guy was arrested for, when a 93 year old pensioner was beaten in her own home.
It's quite allowable to care about more than one thing.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.[/p][/quote]What was the guy in the renault arrested for? I would like to know.[/p][/quote]Only in this country would someone care what a guy was arrested for, when a 93 year old pensioner was beaten in her own home.[/p][/quote]It's quite allowable to care about more than one thing. Huffter
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2:59pm Wed 30 May 12

stevetott says...

ohec wrote:
The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.
ohec this particular incident occured on a crossroads. If you are going through a crossroads on a bike and have right of way to carry on but decide to stop dead because there is a car at or approaching the give way lines to your left or right you are at serious risk of being rear ended by someone not expecting you to stop dead for no apparent reason. You can't equate a car driver giving way to a bus where the car driver can safely slow the traffic behind him with his brake lights to a cyclists approach to a junction. Defensive riding is essential but at the end of the day if you are approaching a clear and open junction in broad daylight you are rightly expecting car users to slow down enough to have a good look around before they plough through the give way line at 20mph. I'm not commenting on this incident - but I've seen this happen at this junction many many times and almost been hit twice.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.[/p][/quote]ohec this particular incident occured on a crossroads. If you are going through a crossroads on a bike and have right of way to carry on but decide to stop dead because there is a car at or approaching the give way lines to your left or right you are at serious risk of being rear ended by someone not expecting you to stop dead for no apparent reason. You can't equate a car driver giving way to a bus where the car driver can safely slow the traffic behind him with his brake lights to a cyclists approach to a junction. Defensive riding is essential but at the end of the day if you are approaching a clear and open junction in broad daylight you are rightly expecting car users to slow down enough to have a good look around before they plough through the give way line at 20mph. I'm not commenting on this incident - but I've seen this happen at this junction many many times and almost been hit twice. stevetott
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5:23pm Wed 30 May 12

downfader says...

The Salv wrote:
It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.
Do you really have to dig on Bluemel, how is this appropriate here? Not her fault, the debris she slipped on should never have been there.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.[/p][/quote]Do you really have to dig on Bluemel, how is this appropriate here? Not her fault, the debris she slipped on should never have been there. downfader
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5:26pm Wed 30 May 12

downfader says...

ohec wrote:
The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.
How is it reasonable to make such a comment here? If you have a genuine concern or question put it in writing to the Echo and people will give you answers. Dont belittle people with your own prejudice on a story about some poor fella's death.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.[/p][/quote]How is it reasonable to make such a comment here? If you have a genuine concern or question put it in writing to the Echo and people will give you answers. Dont belittle people with your own prejudice on a story about some poor fella's death. downfader
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6:48pm Wed 30 May 12

adkinsredarmy says...

ohec wrote:
The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.
So your sugesting that it was his fault. you seem to have a dim view of the way he cycled, if your not talking about him you should proberly vent your anger somewhere else. hope you get sued.

anyway are you sugesting all cyclists get of their bike whenever they see a vehicle or go near a junction, might s well walk.

and to put your little rant we should take responibility for road users that are more vunerable than ourselves.

Thats all im going to say on your rant. we need to change everyones attitude about their behaviour on the roads to prevent more lives being lost
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: The most important thing is for cyclist to realise how vulnerable they are and ride accordingly, instead of adopting the attitude of its my right of way they should think to themselves what would happen to me if that car did pull out. A sensible car driver gives way to a bus or lorry because they are bigger and the car driver knows they will come off worse in the event of an accident perhaps if cyclist thought the same way they would be safer. As for the lycra brigade they are not so much cyclist as suicide pilots with the seat up in the air their head down and half the time they are staring at their front wheel instead of looking up the road where they should be looking, but they are safe because they have their plastic hat on. Its no good one sector of road users blaming the other we have to take responsibility for ourselves and cycling on todays roads is a bit like playing russian roulette.[/p][/quote]So your sugesting that it was his fault. you seem to have a dim view of the way he cycled, if your not talking about him you should proberly vent your anger somewhere else. hope you get sued. anyway are you sugesting all cyclists get of their bike whenever they see a vehicle or go near a junction, might s well walk. and to put your little rant we should take responibility for road users that are more vunerable than ourselves. Thats all im going to say on your rant. we need to change everyones attitude about their behaviour on the roads to prevent more lives being lost adkinsredarmy
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8:25pm Wed 30 May 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

The Salv wrote:
It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.
"It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family."

It would appear it could have been avoided? You have the full facts of this case. please enlighten me. But you don't have the facts, do you. Guessing is a good game, but helps nobody.


"My Heartfelt condolences go out to Marks Family. He will be missed by so many.

Such a tragic but avoidable incident and i hope justice pervails.

as the previous post says, we need urgent changes to legislation as we have an experienced cyclist dying so tragicly. motorists need to realise what damage they can do with their two ton killing machines. we do need safer roads but we need more education for drivers and i wouldent say tougher penalties but a more consistant approach when sentencing."

I agree it was a tragic incident, but avoidable? I have not seen or heard any information as to the cause of this incident or who is blameworthy. If you have this information, please post.

I've posted before on the previous thread about this incident. Unless you truly had an uninterrupted view of this incident, and therefore you will be a prime witness at the inquest, how is guessing, and that is what you are doing, going to benefit anybody. It is tragic that this man lost his life, that a motorist will be haunted by this for the rest of his life, and true witnesses will also be severely traumatised by this incident. Notice I have apportioned no blame. I said before, guessing helps nobody, least of all the people affected by this very sad incident.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.[/p][/quote]"It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family." It would appear it could have been avoided? You have the full facts of this case. please enlighten me. But you don't have the facts, do you. Guessing is a good game, but helps nobody. "My Heartfelt condolences go out to Marks Family. He will be missed by so many. Such a tragic but avoidable incident and i hope justice pervails. as the previous post says, we need urgent changes to legislation as we have an experienced cyclist dying so tragicly. motorists need to realise what damage they can do with their two ton killing machines. we do need safer roads but we need more education for drivers and i wouldent say tougher penalties but a more consistant approach when sentencing." I agree it was a tragic incident, but avoidable? I have not seen or heard any information as to the cause of this incident or who is blameworthy. If you have this information, please post. I've posted before on the previous thread about this incident. Unless you truly had an uninterrupted view of this incident, and therefore you will be a prime witness at the inquest, how is guessing, and that is what you are doing, going to benefit anybody. It is tragic that this man lost his life, that a motorist will be haunted by this for the rest of his life, and true witnesses will also be severely traumatised by this incident. Notice I have apportioned no blame. I said before, guessing helps nobody, least of all the people affected by this very sad incident. Sir Ad E Noid
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10:07pm Wed 30 May 12

JackJWP says...

Mark built my bike for me and he was in the process of helping build a second one myself. He was truly a remarkable man and his tragic death has come to a shock to everyone that new him. I was hit by a car myself at the same junction and was lucky to escape with just a broken collarbone. The junction should not be a dangerous one as you can clearly see the crossroads from a distance. I really hope that this tragic incident results in some kind change to how are roads run whether it's tougher penalty's on drivers or more protection for cyclists, something really needs to be done.
Mark built my bike for me and he was in the process of helping build a second one myself. He was truly a remarkable man and his tragic death has come to a shock to everyone that new him. I was hit by a car myself at the same junction and was lucky to escape with just a broken collarbone. The junction should not be a dangerous one as you can clearly see the crossroads from a distance. I really hope that this tragic incident results in some kind change to how are roads run whether it's tougher penalty's on drivers or more protection for cyclists, something really needs to be done. JackJWP
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11:08pm Wed 30 May 12

The Salv says...

downfader wrote:
The Salv wrote:
It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.
Do you really have to dig on Bluemel, how is this appropriate here? Not her fault, the debris she slipped on should never have been there.
Yes, because it was entirely her own thought and made the cycling campaign look stupid.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.[/p][/quote]Do you really have to dig on Bluemel, how is this appropriate here? Not her fault, the debris she slipped on should never have been there.[/p][/quote]Yes, because it was entirely her own thought and made the cycling campaign look stupid. The Salv
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11:11pm Wed 30 May 12

The Salv says...

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
The Salv wrote:
It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.
"It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family."

It would appear it could have been avoided? You have the full facts of this case. please enlighten me. But you don't have the facts, do you. Guessing is a good game, but helps nobody.


"My Heartfelt condolences go out to Marks Family. He will be missed by so many.

Such a tragic but avoidable incident and i hope justice pervails.

as the previous post says, we need urgent changes to legislation as we have an experienced cyclist dying so tragicly. motorists need to realise what damage they can do with their two ton killing machines. we do need safer roads but we need more education for drivers and i wouldent say tougher penalties but a more consistant approach when sentencing."

I agree it was a tragic incident, but avoidable? I have not seen or heard any information as to the cause of this incident or who is blameworthy. If you have this information, please post.

I've posted before on the previous thread about this incident. Unless you truly had an uninterrupted view of this incident, and therefore you will be a prime witness at the inquest, how is guessing, and that is what you are doing, going to benefit anybody. It is tragic that this man lost his life, that a motorist will be haunted by this for the rest of his life, and true witnesses will also be severely traumatised by this incident. Notice I have apportioned no blame. I said before, guessing helps nobody, least of all the people affected by this very sad incident.
Troll, ignore.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.[/p][/quote]"It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family." It would appear it could have been avoided? You have the full facts of this case. please enlighten me. But you don't have the facts, do you. Guessing is a good game, but helps nobody. "My Heartfelt condolences go out to Marks Family. He will be missed by so many. Such a tragic but avoidable incident and i hope justice pervails. as the previous post says, we need urgent changes to legislation as we have an experienced cyclist dying so tragicly. motorists need to realise what damage they can do with their two ton killing machines. we do need safer roads but we need more education for drivers and i wouldent say tougher penalties but a more consistant approach when sentencing." I agree it was a tragic incident, but avoidable? I have not seen or heard any information as to the cause of this incident or who is blameworthy. If you have this information, please post. I've posted before on the previous thread about this incident. Unless you truly had an uninterrupted view of this incident, and therefore you will be a prime witness at the inquest, how is guessing, and that is what you are doing, going to benefit anybody. It is tragic that this man lost his life, that a motorist will be haunted by this for the rest of his life, and true witnesses will also be severely traumatised by this incident. Notice I have apportioned no blame. I said before, guessing helps nobody, least of all the people affected by this very sad incident.[/p][/quote]Troll, ignore. The Salv
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11:13pm Wed 30 May 12

The Salv says...

*fault
*fault The Salv
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1:01am Thu 31 May 12

el John says...

For many, many years Mark was a truly formidable opponent in the Wellington Arms pub quiz.

His general knowledge and quick thinking was second to none.

This is a terrible shock and he will be sorely, sorely missed.

RIP Mark.

Big John, the team on table 4.
For many, many years Mark was a truly formidable opponent in the Wellington Arms pub quiz. His general knowledge and quick thinking was second to none. This is a terrible shock and he will be sorely, sorely missed. RIP Mark. Big John, the team on table 4. el John
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5:25pm Thu 31 May 12

johnoneill says...

Mark was a fantastic man and I'm devastated to hear this news.

I was taught by Mark at Southampton University in 1998/9 and after he retired we often met up in The Crown pub behind the Physics department to discuss Physics and Formula One.

It's very sad to hear this news.

John.
Mark was a fantastic man and I'm devastated to hear this news. I was taught by Mark at Southampton University in 1998/9 and after he retired we often met up in The Crown pub behind the Physics department to discuss Physics and Formula One. It's very sad to hear this news. John. johnoneill
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6:38pm Thu 31 May 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

The Salv wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
The Salv wrote:
It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.
"It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family."

It would appear it could have been avoided? You have the full facts of this case. please enlighten me. But you don't have the facts, do you. Guessing is a good game, but helps nobody.


"My Heartfelt condolences go out to Marks Family. He will be missed by so many.

Such a tragic but avoidable incident and i hope justice pervails.

as the previous post says, we need urgent changes to legislation as we have an experienced cyclist dying so tragicly. motorists need to realise what damage they can do with their two ton killing machines. we do need safer roads but we need more education for drivers and i wouldent say tougher penalties but a more consistant approach when sentencing."

I agree it was a tragic incident, but avoidable? I have not seen or heard any information as to the cause of this incident or who is blameworthy. If you have this information, please post.

I've posted before on the previous thread about this incident. Unless you truly had an uninterrupted view of this incident, and therefore you will be a prime witness at the inquest, how is guessing, and that is what you are doing, going to benefit anybody. It is tragic that this man lost his life, that a motorist will be haunted by this for the rest of his life, and true witnesses will also be severely traumatised by this incident. Notice I have apportioned no blame. I said before, guessing helps nobody, least of all the people affected by this very sad incident.
Troll, ignore.
" Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided"

Could you please enlighten us as to how this very sad incident could be avoided, I am at a loss to explain, maybe you know more?
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.[/p][/quote]"It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family." It would appear it could have been avoided? You have the full facts of this case. please enlighten me. But you don't have the facts, do you. Guessing is a good game, but helps nobody. "My Heartfelt condolences go out to Marks Family. He will be missed by so many. Such a tragic but avoidable incident and i hope justice pervails. as the previous post says, we need urgent changes to legislation as we have an experienced cyclist dying so tragicly. motorists need to realise what damage they can do with their two ton killing machines. we do need safer roads but we need more education for drivers and i wouldent say tougher penalties but a more consistant approach when sentencing." I agree it was a tragic incident, but avoidable? I have not seen or heard any information as to the cause of this incident or who is blameworthy. If you have this information, please post. I've posted before on the previous thread about this incident. Unless you truly had an uninterrupted view of this incident, and therefore you will be a prime witness at the inquest, how is guessing, and that is what you are doing, going to benefit anybody. It is tragic that this man lost his life, that a motorist will be haunted by this for the rest of his life, and true witnesses will also be severely traumatised by this incident. Notice I have apportioned no blame. I said before, guessing helps nobody, least of all the people affected by this very sad incident.[/p][/quote]Troll, ignore.[/p][/quote]" Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided" Could you please enlighten us as to how this very sad incident could be avoided, I am at a loss to explain, maybe you know more? Sir Ad E Noid
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6:56pm Fri 1 Jun 12

johnoneill says...

If anyone knows details of the funeral could you please contact me on:

johnoneill783@btinte
rnet.com

Thanks,
John.
If anyone knows details of the funeral could you please contact me on: johnoneill783@btinte rnet.com Thanks, John. johnoneill
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7:18pm Fri 1 Jun 12

downfader says...

johnoneill wrote:
If anyone knows details of the funeral could you please contact me on:

johnoneill783@btinte

rnet.com

Thanks,
John.
Your best bet is to get in touch with Soton Cycling Campaign:

http://www.southampt
oncyclingcampaign.or
g.uk/
[quote][p][bold]johnoneill[/bold] wrote: If anyone knows details of the funeral could you please contact me on: johnoneill783@btinte rnet.com Thanks, John.[/p][/quote]Your best bet is to get in touch with Soton Cycling Campaign: http://www.southampt oncyclingcampaign.or g.uk/ downfader
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6:09pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Rhiannon Bluemel says...

The Salv wrote:
It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.
Seriously? You really think this is the time and the place to start saying that my mum's accident was her own fault? Why exactly do you think it was her own fault? What evidence or knowledge do you even have of mum's accident? And why do you think that it's appropriate to put comments like this up at a time when my mother (and other members of Southampton Cycling Campaign) have lost a very close friend, and Mark's family have lost a loved one?

I entirely believe that both accidents were avoidable, if there had not been debris in a cycle lane mum's accident would not have occurred, and if the renault driver was driving sensibly and carefully then Mark's wouldn't have either.

Something IS being done. Mum and the others from Southampton Cycling Campaign tirelessly work towards safer roads and better facilities for cyclists. You have no idea what you're talking about and you are incredibly rude. If you think something should be done, how about you get involved and do something?

Both my mother and Mark Brummell are incredibly experienced, careful and safe cyclists. Neither accident should have ever happened.

My thoughts are with Mark's friends and family, including the many members of my immediate family who consider Mark a close friend.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: It's becoming all to frequent. Something needs to be done. Either a clamp down on dangerous driving, improved safety on roads, better facilities. We have lost a major figure in the cause for safer cycling. Although I still believe that Lindsi Bluemel's accident was entirely her own fault, it would appear that Mark's accident should have been avoided. We need to pursue this cause and an MP should take up the mantel and start promoting this in Parliment. My condolences go out to his family.[/p][/quote]Seriously? You really think this is the time and the place to start saying that my mum's accident was her own fault? Why exactly do you think it was her own fault? What evidence or knowledge do you even have of mum's accident? And why do you think that it's appropriate to put comments like this up at a time when my mother (and other members of Southampton Cycling Campaign) have lost a very close friend, and Mark's family have lost a loved one? I entirely believe that both accidents were avoidable, if there had not been debris in a cycle lane mum's accident would not have occurred, and if the renault driver was driving sensibly and carefully then Mark's wouldn't have either. Something IS being done. Mum and the others from Southampton Cycling Campaign tirelessly work towards safer roads and better facilities for cyclists. You have no idea what you're talking about and you are incredibly rude. If you think something should be done, how about you get involved and do something? Both my mother and Mark Brummell are incredibly experienced, careful and safe cyclists. Neither accident should have ever happened. My thoughts are with Mark's friends and family, including the many members of my immediate family who consider Mark a close friend. Rhiannon Bluemel
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6:45pm Thu 14 Jun 12

Foxylady50 says...

Mark Brummell, greatest savant I ever met, killed in a crass accident, can still hardly believe it. It was meant to be me that got vernichtet on a pushbike, not you. Much of what I have achieved in my life was because of you. Now that chance of a reconciliation that I have always longed for - is gone. I left you 23 years ago, when I sorely wronged you, but I left a chunk of my heart with you... So there you are, you 59-year-old incompetent in your silver Renault Megane, you have killed the great and unparalled Mark Brummell, the man who could do Magimaths like the guy on the telly, who re-wrote the entire Electronics teaching syllabus at Oxford university, a Great Man, who lived quietly - because he chose to. A man whose pushbike and route planning would both have been flawless. Careless driving?! Pah. Hang your head in shame you worm. See you in court.
Mark Brummell, greatest savant I ever met, killed in a crass accident, can still hardly believe it. It was meant to be me that got vernichtet on a pushbike, not you. Much of what I have achieved in my life was because of you. Now that chance of a reconciliation that I have always longed for - is gone. I left you 23 years ago, when I sorely wronged you, but I left a chunk of my heart with you... So there you are, you 59-year-old incompetent in your silver Renault Megane, you have killed the great and unparalled Mark Brummell, the man who could do Magimaths like the guy on the telly, who re-wrote the entire Electronics teaching syllabus at Oxford university, a Great Man, who lived quietly - because he chose to. A man whose pushbike and route planning would both have been flawless. Careless driving?! Pah. Hang your head in shame you worm. See you in court. Foxylady50
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