Churches sign up to provide free parenting courses (From Daily Echo)

.. 'The course material is based on Christian principles ...'

I see; holy wars, science denial, belief in myths, etc. ad infinitum.

Yes, all these religious 'principles' will bring great benefits to aiding parenting.

"...the courses are designed for parents of any faith or no faith at all..."
...but of course we won't miss the opportunity to push our misguided beliefs onto you...

As an agnostic I am outraged my taxes are being used to subsidise relgious bodies in this manner and to allow them to push their religious doctrine onto others.

If parents want religious guidance fine go to church on a sunday

And if you don't behave the big shinny man who lives above the clouds and loves us all will send you to hell and have you roasted for all eternity.

It would interesting to know how many posters today, on Father's Day, have kids who are still with their birth parents. It's easy to make judgments but many parents don't take parenting as seriously as they should. I write this sat next to my son. I'm glad I'm not being denied access by a court.

Condor Man wrote:
It would interesting to know how many posters today, on Father's Day, have kids who are still with their birth parents. It's easy to make judgments but many parents don't take parenting as seriously as they should. I write this sat next to my son. I'm glad I'm not being denied access by a court.

Many parents should not be parents. We have one in the family who had her first child so she could claim benefits including housing and free child care whilst going to college. Finished college and still couldn't get a job so had a second child to move higher up the council housing list. Many should be called career breeders rather than parents.

SotonGreen wrote:
As an agnostic I am outraged my taxes are being used to subsidise relgious bodies in this manner and to allow them to push their religious doctrine onto others. If parents want religious guidance fine go to church on a sunday

Why do you think that taxes are used to subsidise churches?

SotonGreen wrote:
As an agnostic I am outraged my taxes are being used to subsidise relgious bodies in this manner and to allow them to push their religious doctrine onto others. If parents want religious guidance fine go to church on a sunday

Huffter wrote
Why do you think that taxes are used to subsidise churches?”

Because he/she is a pre-judgemental bigot with a prejudicial bee in his bonnet about religion.

SotonGreen wrote:
As an agnostic I am outraged my taxes are being used to subsidise relgious bodies in this manner and to allow them to push their religious doctrine onto others.

If parents want religious guidance fine go to church on a sunday

The church that I attend has run these parenting courses for years and I can categorically say that there is no religious element to them whatsoever. These courses are not written by any religious body, but by professionals in the childcare industry. They are very well attended by members of the community, both those that attend church and those who don't. The church is there to support the family if they need and want support, but in no way does that include pushing Christianity on to any one attending the courses. The church is not a business that needs to gain customers (sorry to disappoint those who like to make out it is). By offering these courses, parents can attend in a safe environment and be supported by people who genuinely care for them.

solomum wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
As an agnostic I am outraged my taxes are being used to subsidise relgious bodies in this manner and to allow them to push their religious doctrine onto others.

If parents want religious guidance fine go to church on a sunday

The church that I attend has run these parenting courses for years and I can categorically say that there is no religious element to them whatsoever. These courses are not written by any religious body, but by professionals in the childcare industry. They are very well attended by members of the community, both those that attend church and those who don't. The church is there to support the family if they need and want support, but in no way does that include pushing Christianity on to any one attending the courses. The church is not a business that needs to gain customers (sorry to disappoint those who like to make out it is). By offering these courses, parents can attend in a safe environment and be supported by people who genuinely care for them.

Children, church, safe???

Stillness wrote:

solomum wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
As an agnostic I am outraged my taxes are being used to subsidise relgious bodies in this manner and to allow them to push their religious doctrine onto others.

If parents want religious guidance fine go to church on a sunday

The church that I attend has run these parenting courses for years and I can categorically say that there is no religious element to them whatsoever. These courses are not written by any religious body, but by professionals in the childcare industry. They are very well attended by members of the community, both those that attend church and those who don't. The church is there to support the family if they need and want support, but in no way does that include pushing Christianity on to any one attending the courses. The church is not a business that needs to gain customers (sorry to disappoint those who like to make out it is). By offering these courses, parents can attend in a safe environment and be supported by people who genuinely care for them.

Children, church, safe???

Probably safer with the Church than with some family members ;-)

Stillness wrote:

solomum wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
As an agnostic I am outraged my taxes are being used to subsidise relgious bodies in this manner and to allow them to push their religious doctrine onto others.

If parents want religious guidance fine go to church on a sunday

The church that I attend has run these parenting courses for years and I can categorically say that there is no religious element to them whatsoever. These courses are not written by any religious body, but by professionals in the childcare industry. They are very well attended by members of the community, both those that attend church and those who don't. The church is there to support the family if they need and want support, but in no way does that include pushing Christianity on to any one attending the courses. The church is not a business that needs to gain customers (sorry to disappoint those who like to make out it is). By offering these courses, parents can attend in a safe environment and be supported by people who genuinely care for them.

Children, church, safe???

the Hampshire Diocese has a safe guarding policy on the lines with schools. It's not the children who'll be attending anyway.

The term "religion" from the Latin to rejoin. Anyone claiming to be a (insert your chosen religion here) is obviously more interested in segregation. They will try anything to to recruit more members to their gang. It is naive to think this will not be used for recruitment.

These schemes sound great, but those problem families that really need this kind of help think their children are little angels and don't need any help.

Would I be wrong to assume, those who take this help are already respectable people wanting the best for their kids and not those who send kids out shoplifting on a daily basis?

IronLady2010 wrote:
These schemes sound great, but those problem families that really need this kind of help think their children are little angels and don't need any help.

Would I be wrong to assume, those who take this help are already respectable people wanting the best for their kids and not those who send kids out shoplifting on a daily basis?

So the pillars of society rather than the pillocks then.

Parenting should start in the home and progress to school. Take out RE/RK and replace it with Respect lessons as well. And if they don't learn beat the $hit out of 'em!

bazzeroz wrote:
Parenting should start in the home and progress to school. Take out RE/RK and replace it with Respect lessons as well. And if they don't learn beat the $hit out of 'em!

Tut tut, can,t even spoll sh1t lol.

The parenting classes are being paid for by the government and run by the churches ergo it is the state funding the churches, simples as a much publicised meerkat might say.

It isnt bigotry, the article even says the classes are run on "christian principles".

For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

SotonGreen wrote:
As an agnostic I am outraged my taxes are being used to subsidise relgious bodies in this manner and to allow them to push their religious doctrine onto others.

If parents want religious guidance fine go to church on a sunday

You're outraged at this? Are you sure you're an agnostic?

SotonGreen wrote:
The parenting classes are being paid for by the government and run by the churches ergo it is the state funding the churches, simples as a much publicised meerkat might say.

It isnt bigotry, the article even says the classes are run on "christian principles".

So the government is still trying to have an influence over the church and the church still think that they are above politics. So much for progress.

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

Stillness wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
The parenting classes are being paid for by the government and run by the churches ergo it is the state funding the churches, simples as a much publicised meerkat might say.

It isnt bigotry, the article even says the classes are run on "christian principles".

So the government is still trying to have an influence over the church and the church still think that they are above politics. So much for progress.

so much for progress when adults need assistance in how to be parents. It's a sad indictment of our society that many people are so selfish that they can't care for others. Perhaps the National Secular Society should build a network of halls across the country and hose atheist parenting courses? just to strike a balance.

Condor Man wrote:

Stillness wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
The parenting classes are being paid for by the government and run by the churches ergo it is the state funding the churches, simples as a much publicised meerkat might say.

It isnt bigotry, the article even says the classes are run on "christian principles".

So the government is still trying to have an influence over the church and the church still think that they are above politics. So much for progress.

so much for progress when adults need assistance in how to be parents. It's a sad indictment of our society that many people are so selfish that they can't care for others. Perhaps the National Secular Society should build a network of halls across the country and hose atheist parenting courses? just to strike a balance.

You are so right Condorman, so many are selfish, that they can't even be bothered to check on an elderly neighbour.

But in reality, many are afraid of the Church and many don't understand Religion. I'm not a religious person, I don't believe in God or Adam and Eve or whatever that book tells us, don't forget they couldn't read and write back in those days so how they managed to produce a Bible is beyond my experience.

Therefore, many lower class people ie. the ones who send children shoplifting daily won't have a second of thought for a Church, only to rob it!

IronLady2010 wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Stillness wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
The parenting classes are being paid for by the government and run by the churches ergo it is the state funding the churches, simples as a much publicised meerkat might say.

It isnt bigotry, the article even says the classes are run on "christian principles".

So the government is still trying to have an influence over the church and the church still think that they are above politics. So much for progress.

so much for progress when adults need assistance in how to be parents. It's a sad indictment of our society that many people are so selfish that they can't care for others. Perhaps the National Secular Society should build a network of halls across the country and hose atheist parenting courses? just to strike a balance.

You are so right Condorman, so many are selfish, that they can't even be bothered to check on an elderly neighbour.

But in reality, many are afraid of the Church and many don't understand Religion. I'm not a religious person, I don't believe in God or Adam and Eve or whatever that book tells us, don't forget they couldn't read and write back in those days so how they managed to produce a Bible is beyond my experience.

Therefore, many lower class people ie. the ones who send children shoplifting daily won't have a second of thought for a Church, only to rob it!

"Lower class"? What has class got to do with it? How do you decide who is "lower class"? Just give me an honest talking person to sit with and I'll be a happy person. Educated people just tell more convincing lies lol.

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Stillness wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
The parenting classes are being paid for by the government and run by the churches ergo it is the state funding the churches, simples as a much publicised meerkat might say.

It isnt bigotry, the article even says the classes are run on "christian principles".

So the government is still trying to have an influence over the church and the church still think that they are above politics. So much for progress.

so much for progress when adults need assistance in how to be parents. It's a sad indictment of our society that many people are so selfish that they can't care for others. Perhaps the National Secular Society should build a network of halls across the country and hose atheist parenting courses? just to strike a balance.

You are so right Condorman, so many are selfish, that they can't even be bothered to check on an elderly neighbour.

But in reality, many are afraid of the Church and many don't understand Religion. I'm not a religious person, I don't believe in God or Adam and Eve or whatever that book tells us, don't forget they couldn't read and write back in those days so how they managed to produce a Bible is beyond my experience.

Therefore, many lower class people ie. the ones who send children shoplifting daily won't have a second of thought for a Church, only to rob it!

"Lower class"? What has class got to do with it? How do you decide who is "lower class"? Just give me an honest talking person to sit with and I'll be a happy person. Educated people just tell more convincing lies lol.

You know exactly what I mean!

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Stillness wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
The parenting classes are being paid for by the government and run by the churches ergo it is the state funding the churches, simples as a much publicised meerkat might say.

It isnt bigotry, the article even says the classes are run on "christian principles".

So the government is still trying to have an influence over the church and the church still think that they are above politics. So much for progress.

so much for progress when adults need assistance in how to be parents. It's a sad indictment of our society that many people are so selfish that they can't care for others. Perhaps the National Secular Society should build a network of halls across the country and hose atheist parenting courses? just to strike a balance.

You are so right Condorman, so many are selfish, that they can't even be bothered to check on an elderly neighbour.

But in reality, many are afraid of the Church and many don't understand Religion. I'm not a religious person, I don't believe in God or Adam and Eve or whatever that book tells us, don't forget they couldn't read and write back in those days so how they managed to produce a Bible is beyond my experience.

Therefore, many lower class people ie. the ones who send children shoplifting daily won't have a second of thought for a Church, only to rob it!

"Lower class"? What has class got to do with it? How do you decide who is "lower class"? Just give me an honest talking person to sit with and I'll be a happy person. Educated people just tell more convincing lies lol.

You know exactly what I mean!

I do? Yeah okay your right, I do, but "class" does not equate to decent.

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Stillness wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
The parenting classes are being paid for by the government and run by the churches ergo it is the state funding the churches, simples as a much publicised meerkat might say.

It isnt bigotry, the article even says the classes are run on "christian principles".

So the government is still trying to have an influence over the church and the church still think that they are above politics. So much for progress.

so much for progress when adults need assistance in how to be parents. It's a sad indictment of our society that many people are so selfish that they can't care for others. Perhaps the National Secular Society should build a network of halls across the country and hose atheist parenting courses? just to strike a balance.

You are so right Condorman, so many are selfish, that they can't even be bothered to check on an elderly neighbour.

But in reality, many are afraid of the Church and many don't understand Religion. I'm not a religious person, I don't believe in God or Adam and Eve or whatever that book tells us, don't forget they couldn't read and write back in those days so how they managed to produce a Bible is beyond my experience.

Therefore, many lower class people ie. the ones who send children shoplifting daily won't have a second of thought for a Church, only to rob it!

"Lower class"? What has class got to do with it? How do you decide who is "lower class"? Just give me an honest talking person to sit with and I'll be a happy person. Educated people just tell more convincing lies lol.

You know exactly what I mean!

I do? Yeah okay your right, I do, but "class" does not equate to decent.

OK I'll give in, it does take all sorts. But I was speaking generally. The chavs etc the scum (if you like) will never go to a church unless to rob it.

“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind”. J Krishnamurtie.

Stillness wrote:
“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind”. J Krishnamurtie.

How is it violent? Separating maybe, but violent is a strong word which generally involves violence as in hitting etc.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:
“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind”. J Krishnamurtie.

How is it violent? Separating maybe, but violent is a strong word which generally involves violence as in hitting etc.

I'll also add, I have friends from all you describe and don't judge them on where they come from or what religion they practice. So long as they don't preach to me our friendship is pure friendship.

If they choose to go to Church or go to a Mosque who am I to question that?

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:
“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind”. J Krishnamurtie.

How is it violent? Separating maybe, but violent is a strong word which generally involves violence as in hitting etc.

I'll also add, I have friends from all you describe and don't judge them on where they come from or what religion they practice. So long as they don't preach to me our friendship is pure friendship.

If they choose to go to Church or go to a Mosque who am I to question that?

I think if you look more closely you will see that "it was a quotation" not an opinion. Do please pay attention woman lol.

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:
“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind”. J Krishnamurtie.

How is it violent? Separating maybe, but violent is a strong word which generally involves violence as in hitting etc.

I'll also add, I have friends from all you describe and don't judge them on where they come from or what religion they practice. So long as they don't preach to me our friendship is pure friendship.

If they choose to go to Church or go to a Mosque who am I to question that?

I think if you look more closely you will see that "it was a quotation" not an opinion. Do please pay attention woman lol.

A quotation which you felt appropriate at the time?

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

I have to confess, this post made me laugh! Well done Billy, you've made my night!

"Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing."

CLASSIC!!!! I haven't laughed so much in ages! Oh Billy, keep this up, I am loving it. xx

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

Just perhaps it's not the taught but the teaching that's at fault? I wouldn't worry. The best lessons are the painful ones as they are remembered for longer. We will soon have a generation that will have known nothing but suffering and they will be the ones that realize that suffering is necessary, right up to the point that you realize that it's not.

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

Just perhaps it's not the taught but the teaching that's at fault? I wouldn't worry. The best lessons are the painful ones as they are remembered for longer. We will soon have a generation that will have known nothing but suffering and they will be the ones that realize that suffering is necessary, right up to the point that you realize that it's not.

Are you talking to each other or talking to yourself?

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

Just perhaps it's not the taught but the teaching that's at fault? I wouldn't worry. The best lessons are the painful ones as they are remembered for longer. We will soon have a generation that will have known nothing but suffering and they will be the ones that realize that suffering is necessary, right up to the point that you realize that it's not.

Are you talking to each other or talking to yourself?

Does it really matter? Why does it upset you? Are you bored or what lol.

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

Just perhaps it's not the taught but the teaching that's at fault? I wouldn't worry. The best lessons are the painful ones as they are remembered for longer. We will soon have a generation that will have known nothing but suffering and they will be the ones that realize that suffering is necessary, right up to the point that you realize that it's not.

Are you talking to each other or talking to yourself?

Does it really matter? Why does it upset you? Are you bored or what lol.

It doesn't upset me, but I get an email each time one of your aliases replies.

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

Just perhaps it's not the taught but the teaching that's at fault? I wouldn't worry. The best lessons are the painful ones as they are remembered for longer. We will soon have a generation that will have known nothing but suffering and they will be the ones that realize that suffering is necessary, right up to the point that you realize that it's not.

Are you talking to each other or talking to yourself?

Does it really matter? Why does it upset you? Are you bored or what lol.

Iron Lady, thanks for your compliment, but my post was based on what I have actually seen and heard. I did not intend to mock or entertain, simply to high-light and emphasize. But I do find some "mums army" battalions quite funny to watch, like a village carnival going by. They fill the pavements with their double buggies, carrier bags and dogs attached to the buggies, and either led or followed by a four year old on a scooter. In the winter months, I sometimes think if they wore Christmas tree lights, it would round the parade off nicely.

But it isn't funny really, is it ? They are real people with hearts and souls in there somewhere. How did they get that way ?

Stillness, are you saying that the depths our society has reached will be a lesson to it, and the only way after that is up ? Like things need to get bad before they can get better ? It's a very persuasive thought if that's what you meant.

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

Just perhaps it's not the taught but the teaching that's at fault? I wouldn't worry. The best lessons are the painful ones as they are remembered for longer. We will soon have a generation that will have known nothing but suffering and they will be the ones that realize that suffering is necessary, right up to the point that you realize that it's not.

Are you talking to each other or talking to yourself?

Does it really matter? Why does it upset you? Are you bored or what lol.

Iron Lady, thanks for your compliment, but my post was based on what I have actually seen and heard. I did not intend to mock or entertain, simply to high-light and emphasize. But I do find some "mums army" battalions quite funny to watch, like a village carnival going by. They fill the pavements with their double buggies, carrier bags and dogs attached to the buggies, and either led or followed by a four year old on a scooter. In the winter months, I sometimes think if they wore Christmas tree lights, it would round the parade off nicely.

But it isn't funny really, is it ? They are real people with hearts and souls in there somewhere. How did they get that way ?

Stillness, are you saying that the depths our society has reached will be a lesson to it, and the only way after that is up ? Like things need to get bad before they can get better ? It's a very persuasive thought if that's what you meant.

It's not so much a lesson to society Billy it's a lesson to each individual. Most human suffering is just mind stuff. The kid (not you) who ends up in court for mugging someone for their iphone does it to satisfy the need in his mind that he has to have one. He listens to his mind and ends up with a record. Who put the thought in to his mind? The advertizing industry. More and more people are beginning to realize that nothing can ever bring them happiness. Happiness is always inside you, just like anger, fear and joy. One day, hopefully soon people are going to be conscious enough to say "You know what, I don't need X Y Z to be a complete person" and they will appreciate what they do have. If people are forever thinking "I'll be happy when I get.................
...". ie in the future, how can they be happy in the now? More people are waking up to the fact that it is always now. It has never not been now and when the much anticipated future moment arrives guess what? It will still be now. Even if you get the thing you were anticipating you will very soon be miserable again. After all the anticipation your shiny new BMW turns out to be just a car and you end up frustrated sitting in the same traffic jams and owing a finance company a fortune and it will start all over again. I'll be happy when............... Don't worry the advertizing industry will soon come up with the next thing that you can pin your happiness on. Or of course you could concentrate on making the best of and enjoying the only moment you ever have. This one.

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

Just perhaps it's not the taught but the teaching that's at fault? I wouldn't worry. The best lessons are the painful ones as they are remembered for longer. We will soon have a generation that will have known nothing but suffering and they will be the ones that realize that suffering is necessary, right up to the point that you realize that it's not.

Are you talking to each other or talking to yourself?

Does it really matter? Why does it upset you? Are you bored or what lol.

Iron Lady, thanks for your compliment, but my post was based on what I have actually seen and heard. I did not intend to mock or entertain, simply to high-light and emphasize. But I do find some "mums army" battalions quite funny to watch, like a village carnival going by. They fill the pavements with their double buggies, carrier bags and dogs attached to the buggies, and either led or followed by a four year old on a scooter. In the winter months, I sometimes think if they wore Christmas tree lights, it would round the parade off nicely.

But it isn't funny really, is it ? They are real people with hearts and souls in there somewhere. How did they get that way ?

Stillness, are you saying that the depths our society has reached will be a lesson to it, and the only way after that is up ? Like things need to get bad before they can get better ? It's a very persuasive thought if that's what you meant.

It's not so much a lesson to society Billy it's a lesson to each individual. Most human suffering is just mind stuff. The kid (not you) who ends up in court for mugging someone for their iphone does it to satisfy the need in his mind that he has to have one. He listens to his mind and ends up with a record. Who put the thought in to his mind? The advertizing industry. More and more people are beginning to realize that nothing can ever bring them happiness. Happiness is always inside you, just like anger, fear and joy. One day, hopefully soon people are going to be conscious enough to say "You know what, I don't need X Y Z to be a complete person" and they will appreciate what they do have. If people are forever thinking "I'll be happy when I get.................

...". ie in the future, how can they be happy in the now? More people are waking up to the fact that it is always now. It has never not been now and when the much anticipated future moment arrives guess what? It will still be now. Even if you get the thing you were anticipating you will very soon be miserable again. After all the anticipation your shiny new BMW turns out to be just a car and you end up frustrated sitting in the same traffic jams and owing a finance company a fortune and it will start all over again. I'll be happy when............... Don't worry the advertizing industry will soon come up with the next thing that you can pin your happiness on. Or of course you could concentrate on making the best of and enjoying the only moment you ever have. This one.

In the early 80s I attended a Meeting at Brockwood Park and listened to what Krishnamurti had to say.

Subsequently, I made several individual visits to Brockwood Park and talked to staff and students and shared lunches with them. I almost put myself forward as a candidate for a job there. Too ambitious! Luckily some down to Earth humility kicked in!

My most often read penguin paperback is the "Krishnamurti Reader". Living in the now is so incredibly difficult but is the only way to live. Sometimes I am aware I live in the now. Most days I'm aware that I don't.

The action of allowing the Mind to be empty is a lesson i have to re-learn every moment.

It is rewarding on the rare occasion I let the Me take a back seat and allow the Mind to show me Freedom.

Enjoy your day. And, thanks for your contributions over the months.They have been thought provoking and, at times, very funny :-)

IronLady2010 wrote:
These schemes sound great, but those problem families that really need this kind of help think their children are little angels and don't need any help.

Would I be wrong to assume, those who take this help are already respectable people wanting the best for their kids and not those who send kids out shoplifting on a daily basis?

These courses are attended by a wide variety of families, including those referred by outside agencies

clausentum wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Stillness wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
For once - just for once - Stillness is actually making consistent, coherent and educated sense. Who is using your ID today ? Clausentum ? Rightway ?

The only way we are going to turn the tide of social decline, as far as I can see, is to make parenting and social skills a compulsory, National Curriculum subject for all children, starting in the primary school and continuing to compulsory GCSE examination, like maths and English. The possession of that qualification might lead to tax concessions at some point.

Either that, or global war, maybe a deadly pandemic. Start all over again with a few people who feel lucky just to be alive.

Don't you feel lucky to be alive? We don't need exams in it Billy. Everybody above the age of 6 knows in their heart right doing from wrong doing. All they need to learn is to listen to their hearts and not their heads, advertizing company's, politicians and so called religious teachers.

OK, Stillness, truce.

Now......yes I do feel lucky to be alive, as I suspect you do.

But how do you get people to let their conscience be their guide ? I agree with you in principle, but in practice you need incentives, don't you ? In my career as a teacher I met lots of damaged pupils whose parents philosophy was an eye for an eye, grab what you can, do what you like but don't get caught. For many, the Artful Dodger is more of a role model than Jesus.

I personally feel that we've had forty years of punk attitudes, and it has become endemic. Haven't you seen the "mums armies" on their way to the junior schools to collect their Tyrones and their Derhondas ? Typical look is yellow Robin Hood boots, black ski pants stretched over enormous backside, luminous pink inflated anorak, hair in random bunches, black lipstick, red eye shadow, smoking, and chewing. Wouldn't it be good if the poor little souls came out of school and said,"Mummy, you look embarrassing. Can I meet you round the corner in future ? And no, I don't want chips for tea again. We learned how to keep the kitchen clean today, and how to store food properly in the fridge."
"F*cking social lessins ! Ain't what I'm payin moy taxes for ! F*ckin sh*ts tellin moy dawter I'm f*ckin cr*p at parentin !"

OK, Stillness the above is fiction, but the attitudes are based on fact, witnessed first hand on many occasions over the years. And no, everyone is not like that, but there are far too many who are.

My feeling is that several generations need a form of "brainwashing" to get the tide of social degradation to turn.

"Tyrone ! Listen to your f*ckin conscience ! It's sayin eat your f*ckin burger or get a kick in the 'ead !"

Just perhaps it's not the taught but the teaching that's at fault? I wouldn't worry. The best lessons are the painful ones as they are remembered for longer. We will soon have a generation that will have known nothing but suffering and they will be the ones that realize that suffering is necessary, right up to the point that you realize that it's not.

Are you talking to each other or talking to yourself?

Does it really matter? Why does it upset you? Are you bored or what lol.

Iron Lady, thanks for your compliment, but my post was based on what I have actually seen and heard. I did not intend to mock or entertain, simply to high-light and emphasize. But I do find some "mums army" battalions quite funny to watch, like a village carnival going by. They fill the pavements with their double buggies, carrier bags and dogs attached to the buggies, and either led or followed by a four year old on a scooter. In the winter months, I sometimes think if they wore Christmas tree lights, it would round the parade off nicely.

But it isn't funny really, is it ? They are real people with hearts and souls in there somewhere. How did they get that way ?

Stillness, are you saying that the depths our society has reached will be a lesson to it, and the only way after that is up ? Like things need to get bad before they can get better ? It's a very persuasive thought if that's what you meant.

It's not so much a lesson to society Billy it's a lesson to each individual. Most human suffering is just mind stuff. The kid (not you) who ends up in court for mugging someone for their iphone does it to satisfy the need in his mind that he has to have one. He listens to his mind and ends up with a record. Who put the thought in to his mind? The advertizing industry. More and more people are beginning to realize that nothing can ever bring them happiness. Happiness is always inside you, just like anger, fear and joy. One day, hopefully soon people are going to be conscious enough to say "You know what, I don't need X Y Z to be a complete person" and they will appreciate what they do have. If people are forever thinking "I'll be happy when I get.................


...". ie in the future, how can they be happy in the now? More people are waking up to the fact that it is always now. It has never not been now and when the much anticipated future moment arrives guess what? It will still be now. Even if you get the thing you were anticipating you will very soon be miserable again. After all the anticipation your shiny new BMW turns out to be just a car and you end up frustrated sitting in the same traffic jams and owing a finance company a fortune and it will start all over again. I'll be happy when............... Don't worry the advertizing industry will soon come up with the next thing that you can pin your happiness on. Or of course you could concentrate on making the best of and enjoying the only moment you ever have. This one.

In the early 80s I attended a Meeting at Brockwood Park and listened to what Krishnamurti had to say.

Subsequently, I made several individual visits to Brockwood Park and talked to staff and students and shared lunches with them. I almost put myself forward as a candidate for a job there. Too ambitious! Luckily some down to Earth humility kicked in!

My most often read penguin paperback is the "Krishnamurti Reader". Living in the now is so incredibly difficult but is the only way to live. Sometimes I am aware I live in the now. Most days I'm aware that I don't.

The action of allowing the Mind to be empty is a lesson i have to re-learn every moment.

It is rewarding on the rare occasion I let the Me take a back seat and allow the Mind to show me Freedom.

Enjoy your day. And, thanks for your contributions over the months.They have been thought provoking and, at times, very funny :-)

Yeap. Living on the razors edge of now can sometimes be a bit of a challenge (to put it mildly) but it's a darn site better than living in the head lol. Nice place Brookwood park. Perhaps a few folks on here could look it up and go for a visit.

Oops. Brockwood park. I can think of a few that should go to school there as well lol.