Ford staff in 24-hour strike

Daily Echo: Ford staff in 24-hour strike Ford staff in 24-hour strike

STAFF at Southampton’s Ford plant today staging a 24-hour strike in a row over pay and pensions.

The Unite union said that the walkout, the first at the car giant since the 1970s, would affect sites across the country including Southampton, Dagenham in Essex, Bridgend in South Wales, and Halewood on Merseyside.

The union, which represents about 1,200 white collar employees at the car maker, said that staff were “furious” at plans to close the final salary pension scheme to new starters and lower their rates of pay.

The dispute is understood to involve dozens of the 600 staff at Ford’s Southampton assembly plant in Swaythling, which makes about 28,000 Ford Transit vans a year.

Unite said 60 workers were taking industrial action in Southampton.

Production workers are not involved in the dispute.

Unite national officer Roger Maddison said: “Our staff members will not stand by and allow Ford to create a two-tier workforce on pay and pensions.

“To date Ford has failed to make any genuine attempts to resolve this dispute.

“We fiercely oppose the closure of Ford’s final salary scheme to new entrants because we believe ultimately Ford will try to close the entire scheme.

“Ford must prove that it is committed to the UK by investing in its UK workforce.

“The UK has the best sales in Europe, there’s no excuse to attack the terms and conditions of a new generation of Ford staff.

“The company is also refusing to back away from creating a two-tier workforce by making new starters work for less money for doing the same job as existing staff. This is totally unacceptable.”

A Ford spokesman said: “The issue giving rise to the industrial action relates to a disagreement between the company and a particular group of its employees in relation to their ongoing pay and benefit negotiations.

“Ford remains willing and available to continue discussions with the union representing these workers.

“The vast majority of the company’s employees are not involved in this disagreement, or the decision to take industrial action.”

Company bosses insist there is still a bright future for the Swaythling plant – despite news that the latest version of the iconic Ford Transit van will not be built in Southampton, but in Turkey.

Production of the Transit van is expected to finish in Southampton next year and millions of pounds of investment will instead be ploughed into the plant to make it a global centre for all the new Transit chassis cab models.

About half the workforce – some 500 jobs – were culled at the Swaythling factory three years ago.

Workers who remained were also hit by wage freezes as the company searched for ways to cut costs.

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7:48am Mon 18 Jun 12

Linesman says...

Have there been a review of salary and pensions of those in the Ford boardroom?

My betting is that they are not
'Leading by example.'
Have there been a review of salary and pensions of those in the Ford boardroom? My betting is that they are not 'Leading by example.' Linesman
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8:18am Mon 18 Jun 12

mrblunt says...

Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!! mrblunt
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8:34am Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

mrblunt wrote:
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right.
You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system
[quote][p][bold]mrblunt[/bold] wrote: Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!![/p][/quote]There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right. You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system southy
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8:38am Mon 18 Jun 12

roofspace says...

As usual the Echo is following its right wing agenda on behalf of the 1% with subliminal messages supporting them. "Workers who remained were also hit by wage freezes as the company searched for ways to cut costs." What a load of ****! Fords are stealing money from their employees to increase profits to enable bigger payouts to the shareholders, knowing they will take it up the **** because they are worried about keeping a roof over the head of their family and food on the table for the children.
As usual the Echo is following its right wing agenda on behalf of the 1% with subliminal messages supporting them. "Workers who remained were also hit by wage freezes as the company searched for ways to cut costs." What a load of ****! Fords are stealing money from their employees to increase profits to enable bigger payouts to the shareholders, knowing they will take it up the **** because they are worried about keeping a roof over the head of their family and food on the table for the children. roofspace
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8:44am Mon 18 Jun 12

bigfella777 says...

The trouble is the more they complain and strike,the more likely Ford will switch operations overseas where workers have no rights,you dig your own grave.
The trouble is the more they complain and strike,the more likely Ford will switch operations overseas where workers have no rights,you dig your own grave. bigfella777
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9:05am Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

bigfella777 wrote:
The trouble is the more they complain and strike,the more likely Ford will switch operations overseas where workers have no rights,you dig your own grave.
Thats why the Turkey plant have been on strike all ready
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The trouble is the more they complain and strike,the more likely Ford will switch operations overseas where workers have no rights,you dig your own grave.[/p][/quote]Thats why the Turkey plant have been on strike all ready southy
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9:26am Mon 18 Jun 12

ohec says...

All these big brave words but it would be a different story if Ford decided to shut Southampton and even worse if it decided to pull out of the U.K. You are not going to tell me these strikers are prepared to put their jobs on the line for people that haven't even started working for Ford, of course Ford will close the final salary pension scheme the same as every other company has/will they are no longer affordable for any company.There are 3 different types of union members first you have the militants with their deluded ideas of people power, then you have the ones that go to the meetings but are not bright enough to make their own decisions and worst of all are the ones that just do as they are told, so at the end of the day you have the militants and a load of sheep. And if all those sheep keep pushing Ford then they will finish up with plenty of time for grazing and i for one would not blame Ford.
All these big brave words but it would be a different story if Ford decided to shut Southampton and even worse if it decided to pull out of the U.K. You are not going to tell me these strikers are prepared to put their jobs on the line for people that haven't even started working for Ford, of course Ford will close the final salary pension scheme the same as every other company has/will they are no longer affordable for any company.There are 3 different types of union members first you have the militants with their deluded ideas of people power, then you have the ones that go to the meetings but are not bright enough to make their own decisions and worst of all are the ones that just do as they are told, so at the end of the day you have the militants and a load of sheep. And if all those sheep keep pushing Ford then they will finish up with plenty of time for grazing and i for one would not blame Ford. ohec
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9:29am Mon 18 Jun 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
mrblunt wrote:
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right.
You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system
There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrblunt[/bold] wrote: Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!![/p][/quote]There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right. You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system[/p][/quote]There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you? Torchie1
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9:46am Mon 18 Jun 12

flatulence hero says...

Unions again holding a company and the country to ransom.

Will they ever learn striking is old fashion and communication/ cooperation/compromi
se is what succeeds in the modern world.

If Ford moves some production away who will be crying before bed time?
Unions again holding a company and the country to ransom. Will they ever learn striking is old fashion and communication/ cooperation/compromi se is what succeeds in the modern world. If Ford moves some production away who will be crying before bed time? flatulence hero
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9:53am Mon 18 Jun 12

cmgebl says...

It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs
It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs cmgebl
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10:12am Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
mrblunt wrote:
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right.
You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system
There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?
Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days.
Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company.

So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do.

When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrblunt[/bold] wrote: Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!![/p][/quote]There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right. You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system[/p][/quote]There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?[/p][/quote]Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days. Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company. So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do. When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained. southy
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10:13am Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.
Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground. southy
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10:16am Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

ohec wrote:
All these big brave words but it would be a different story if Ford decided to shut Southampton and even worse if it decided to pull out of the U.K. You are not going to tell me these strikers are prepared to put their jobs on the line for people that haven't even started working for Ford, of course Ford will close the final salary pension scheme the same as every other company has/will they are no longer affordable for any company.There are 3 different types of union members first you have the militants with their deluded ideas of people power, then you have the ones that go to the meetings but are not bright enough to make their own decisions and worst of all are the ones that just do as they are told, so at the end of the day you have the militants and a load of sheep. And if all those sheep keep pushing Ford then they will finish up with plenty of time for grazing and i for one would not blame Ford.
Thats why they have strike in Turkey all ready, it do not matter what country Fords go to, they will be hit with Strikes.
The world is changing people all over the world are fed up with big companys black mailing its workers and there countrys.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: All these big brave words but it would be a different story if Ford decided to shut Southampton and even worse if it decided to pull out of the U.K. You are not going to tell me these strikers are prepared to put their jobs on the line for people that haven't even started working for Ford, of course Ford will close the final salary pension scheme the same as every other company has/will they are no longer affordable for any company.There are 3 different types of union members first you have the militants with their deluded ideas of people power, then you have the ones that go to the meetings but are not bright enough to make their own decisions and worst of all are the ones that just do as they are told, so at the end of the day you have the militants and a load of sheep. And if all those sheep keep pushing Ford then they will finish up with plenty of time for grazing and i for one would not blame Ford.[/p][/quote]Thats why they have strike in Turkey all ready, it do not matter what country Fords go to, they will be hit with Strikes. The world is changing people all over the world are fed up with big companys black mailing its workers and there countrys. southy
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10:25am Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

cmgebl wrote:
It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs
The Union is the Workers
[quote][p][bold]cmgebl[/bold] wrote: It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs[/p][/quote]The Union is the Workers southy
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10:26am Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote
Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company.


The same crud bleated by everyone who hasn't the faintest clue how commerce functions. Companies cannot work without shareholders, because without shareholders companies wouldn't exist in the first place. As for "bosses" I'm not even sure what you mean by that. If you mean there is usually a layer of management in a company that is not technically needed, then yes, I fully agree. If you mean anyone who isn't directly involved with production is worthless, then I don't agree at all.

The whole "if you're not on the shop floor, you're scum and we don't need you" attitude is a sign of true short-sightedness.

Personally, I'm beginning to think the concept of employment itself is a waste of time. Employees tend to forget - and modern management practices help them do it - that they're ultimately there to do work, but instead spend an inordinate amount of time trying to screw the system, worrying about their 'rights', and basically treating the people paying their wages with utter contempt.
[quote]southy wrote Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company.[/quote] The same crud bleated by everyone who hasn't the faintest clue how commerce functions. Companies cannot work without shareholders, because without shareholders companies wouldn't exist in the first place. As for "bosses" I'm not even sure what you mean by that. If you mean there is usually a layer of management in a company that is not technically needed, then yes, I fully agree. If you mean anyone who isn't directly involved with production is worthless, then I don't agree at all. The whole "if you're not on the shop floor, you're scum and we don't need you" attitude is a sign of true short-sightedness. Personally, I'm beginning to think the concept of employment itself is a waste of time. Employees tend to forget - and modern management practices help them do it - that they're ultimately there to do work, but instead spend an inordinate amount of time trying to screw the system, worrying about their 'rights', and basically treating the people paying their wages with utter contempt. Georgem
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10:35am Mon 18 Jun 12

Verloren Hoop says...

Is this the same plant that was going to close recently? Some 'individual contributors' seem to be living in a deluded fantasy land. Hmm...that would apply to some dyslexic posters as well.
Is this the same plant that was going to close recently? Some 'individual contributors' seem to be living in a deluded fantasy land. Hmm...that would apply to some dyslexic posters as well. Verloren Hoop
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10:46am Mon 18 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

southy wrote:
cmgebl wrote:
It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs
The Union is the Workers
Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmgebl[/bold] wrote: It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs[/p][/quote]The Union is the Workers[/p][/quote]Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production. OSPREYSAINT
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11:04am Mon 18 Jun 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
mrblunt wrote:
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right.
You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system
There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?
Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days.
Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company.

So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do.

When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.
Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrblunt[/bold] wrote: Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!![/p][/quote]There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right. You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system[/p][/quote]There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?[/p][/quote]Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days. Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company. So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do. When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.[/p][/quote]Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure. Torchie1
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11:09am Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.
You are the perfect example of why the Unions now have a bad reputation in this country.
Everyone is having a bit of a struggle at the moment so when they hear about these strikes or ancient militant rhetoric like this, it does the cause no good.

Yes, I'm sure you'd love to renationalise all the services again so your 'brothers' can run them into the ground, all the while those in the higher hierarchy of the Unions count all the surplus money coming in.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.[/p][/quote]You are the perfect example of why the Unions now have a bad reputation in this country. Everyone is having a bit of a struggle at the moment so when they hear about these strikes or ancient militant rhetoric like this, it does the cause no good. Yes, I'm sure you'd love to renationalise all the services again so your 'brothers' can run them into the ground, all the while those in the higher hierarchy of the Unions count all the surplus money coming in. Shoong
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11:16am Mon 18 Jun 12

bigfella777 says...

I just googled that Ford only made a $13.6 billion profit in 2011, who can blame them for trying to make cuts.
I just googled that Ford only made a $13.6 billion profit in 2011, who can blame them for trying to make cuts. bigfella777
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11:17am Mon 18 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
mrblunt wrote:
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right.
You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system
There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?
Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days.
Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company.

So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do.

When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.
Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure.
Never been threatened with redundancy yourself I guess? Nicely off? No worries that your own livelihood would be threatened by bad management, I am prejudging you but you, and a couple of others on here, don't give the impression that they have ever had bad times, in which case consider yourself lucky. Others that are not so fortunate have to fight for their rights, not every employer is honest, not every employer is good at management. The best companies are the ones that work with the Unions so that the best of Conditions ensures a work force that wants to do their best for the Company that they work for.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrblunt[/bold] wrote: Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!![/p][/quote]There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right. You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system[/p][/quote]There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?[/p][/quote]Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days. Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company. So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do. When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.[/p][/quote]Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure.[/p][/quote]Never been threatened with redundancy yourself I guess? Nicely off? No worries that your own livelihood would be threatened by bad management, I am prejudging you but you, and a couple of others on here, don't give the impression that they have ever had bad times, in which case consider yourself lucky. Others that are not so fortunate have to fight for their rights, not every employer is honest, not every employer is good at management. The best companies are the ones that work with the Unions so that the best of Conditions ensures a work force that wants to do their best for the Company that they work for. OSPREYSAINT
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11:22am Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
mrblunt wrote:
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right.
You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system
There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?
Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days.
Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company.

So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do.

When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.
Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure.
Never been threatened with redundancy yourself I guess? Nicely off? No worries that your own livelihood would be threatened by bad management, I am prejudging you but you, and a couple of others on here, don't give the impression that they have ever had bad times, in which case consider yourself lucky. Others that are not so fortunate have to fight for their rights, not every employer is honest, not every employer is good at management. The best companies are the ones that work with the Unions so that the best of Conditions ensures a work force that wants to do their best for the Company that they work for.
Don't know if you're referencing me in there somewhere or not, but I for one have definitely faced - and suffered - redundancy, and certainly had bad times. At no point did I think "but I have a right to this job!" My employer had to make cuts, and I was part of that. I just took the hit and moved on. Here's the cherry on top: every single time, I moved on to a better job.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrblunt[/bold] wrote: Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!![/p][/quote]There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right. You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system[/p][/quote]There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?[/p][/quote]Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days. Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company. So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do. When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.[/p][/quote]Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure.[/p][/quote]Never been threatened with redundancy yourself I guess? Nicely off? No worries that your own livelihood would be threatened by bad management, I am prejudging you but you, and a couple of others on here, don't give the impression that they have ever had bad times, in which case consider yourself lucky. Others that are not so fortunate have to fight for their rights, not every employer is honest, not every employer is good at management. The best companies are the ones that work with the Unions so that the best of Conditions ensures a work force that wants to do their best for the Company that they work for.[/p][/quote]Don't know if you're referencing me in there somewhere or not, but I for one have definitely faced - and suffered - redundancy, and certainly had bad times. At no point did I think "but I have a right to this job!" My employer had to make cuts, and I was part of that. I just took the hit and moved on. Here's the cherry on top: every single time, I moved on to a better job. Georgem
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11:22am Mon 18 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Verloren Hoop wrote:
Is this the same plant that was going to close recently? Some 'individual contributors' seem to be living in a deluded fantasy land. Hmm...that would apply to some dyslexic posters as well.
This is the plant that had the reputation for being one of the best workforces in Europe, didn't help when the Ford Company decided to transfer their Transit production to a cheap labour factory overseas. The fantasy is that even if you are doing a good job it won't guarantee job security if the Management decide otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]Verloren Hoop[/bold] wrote: Is this the same plant that was going to close recently? Some 'individual contributors' seem to be living in a deluded fantasy land. Hmm...that would apply to some dyslexic posters as well.[/p][/quote]This is the plant that had the reputation for being one of the best workforces in Europe, didn't help when the Ford Company decided to transfer their Transit production to a cheap labour factory overseas. The fantasy is that even if you are doing a good job it won't guarantee job security if the Management decide otherwise. OSPREYSAINT
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11:23am Mon 18 Jun 12

The Salv says...

Well you cant blame them when you see in the news how much the Teachers, Doctors, Bin Men and the Police demand.
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Get that lot on realistic wages and the Ford workers wont see a reason to complain.
Well you cant blame them when you see in the news how much the Teachers, Doctors, Bin Men and the Police demand. . Get that lot on realistic wages and the Ford workers wont see a reason to complain. The Salv
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11:24am Mon 18 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
mrblunt wrote:
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right.
You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system
There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?
Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days.
Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company.

So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do.

When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.
Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure.
Never been threatened with redundancy yourself I guess? Nicely off? No worries that your own livelihood would be threatened by bad management, I am prejudging you but you, and a couple of others on here, don't give the impression that they have ever had bad times, in which case consider yourself lucky. Others that are not so fortunate have to fight for their rights, not every employer is honest, not every employer is good at management. The best companies are the ones that work with the Unions so that the best of Conditions ensures a work force that wants to do their best for the Company that they work for.
Don't know if you're referencing me in there somewhere or not, but I for one have definitely faced - and suffered - redundancy, and certainly had bad times. At no point did I think "but I have a right to this job!" My employer had to make cuts, and I was part of that. I just took the hit and moved on. Here's the cherry on top: every single time, I moved on to a better job.
If the cap fits? As I said lucky, count your stars, but have sympathy for those that are not so fortunate.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrblunt[/bold] wrote: Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!![/p][/quote]There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right. You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system[/p][/quote]There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?[/p][/quote]Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days. Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company. So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do. When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.[/p][/quote]Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure.[/p][/quote]Never been threatened with redundancy yourself I guess? Nicely off? No worries that your own livelihood would be threatened by bad management, I am prejudging you but you, and a couple of others on here, don't give the impression that they have ever had bad times, in which case consider yourself lucky. Others that are not so fortunate have to fight for their rights, not every employer is honest, not every employer is good at management. The best companies are the ones that work with the Unions so that the best of Conditions ensures a work force that wants to do their best for the Company that they work for.[/p][/quote]Don't know if you're referencing me in there somewhere or not, but I for one have definitely faced - and suffered - redundancy, and certainly had bad times. At no point did I think "but I have a right to this job!" My employer had to make cuts, and I was part of that. I just took the hit and moved on. Here's the cherry on top: every single time, I moved on to a better job.[/p][/quote]If the cap fits? As I said lucky, count your stars, but have sympathy for those that are not so fortunate. OSPREYSAINT
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11:28am Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
If the cap fits? As I said lucky, count your stars, but have sympathy for those that are not so fortunate.


Lucky? What's luck got to do with it? I weighed up the options: I could gripe and moan and fight to keep my current job, or I could be pragmatic and direct my energies at finding another one. This option is open to everyone. I sympathise to a point, but eventually people have to realise, nobody owes you a thing in this life.
[quote]OSPREYSAINT wrote: If the cap fits? As I said lucky, count your stars, but have sympathy for those that are not so fortunate.[/quote] Lucky? What's luck got to do with it? I weighed up the options: I could gripe and moan and fight to keep my current job, or I could be pragmatic and direct my energies at finding another one. This option is open to everyone. I sympathise to a point, but eventually people have to realise, nobody owes you a thing in this life. Georgem
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11:32am Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
cmgebl wrote:
It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs
The Union is the Workers
Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production.
Its just the Admin (White Collar workers) that are striking this time and not the shop floor workers, but Fords is close to being a close shop, most of Ford Workers belong to one of the Unions. Unite is the biggest Union in Southampton Fords.

The problem is the Ordinary people will not stick together and they need to learn to, and when they do they is nothing that they can not achive. A united people can not be broken.

The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do, and with the Lib/dem and Labour since Kinnock (its just came to light that Kinnock was invited to the same meeting that the Torys had been invited to attend since 1945 and turned up at the meeting) going to the same meeting now, they are all in the pockets of the same masters the inner Circle of the Bilderberg Group. and people like torchie think they are part of that same club and will support there masters the Torys and even believe in the false propaganda that comes out of the Bilderberg Group that get filters down.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmgebl[/bold] wrote: It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs[/p][/quote]The Union is the Workers[/p][/quote]Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production.[/p][/quote]Its just the Admin (White Collar workers) that are striking this time and not the shop floor workers, but Fords is close to being a close shop, most of Ford Workers belong to one of the Unions. Unite is the biggest Union in Southampton Fords. The problem is the Ordinary people will not stick together and they need to learn to, and when they do they is nothing that they can not achive. A united people can not be broken. The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do, and with the Lib/dem and Labour since Kinnock (its just came to light that Kinnock was invited to the same meeting that the Torys had been invited to attend since 1945 and turned up at the meeting) going to the same meeting now, they are all in the pockets of the same masters the inner Circle of the Bilderberg Group. and people like torchie think they are part of that same club and will support there masters the Torys and even believe in the false propaganda that comes out of the Bilderberg Group that get filters down. southy
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12:01pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
cmgebl wrote:
It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs
The Union is the Workers
Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production.
Its just the Admin (White Collar workers) that are striking this time and not the shop floor workers, but Fords is close to being a close shop, most of Ford Workers belong to one of the Unions. Unite is the biggest Union in Southampton Fords.

The problem is the Ordinary people will not stick together and they need to learn to, and when they do they is nothing that they can not achive. A united people can not be broken.

The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do, and with the Lib/dem and Labour since Kinnock (its just came to light that Kinnock was invited to the same meeting that the Torys had been invited to attend since 1945 and turned up at the meeting) going to the same meeting now, they are all in the pockets of the same masters the inner Circle of the Bilderberg Group. and people like torchie think they are part of that same club and will support there masters the Torys and even believe in the false propaganda that comes out of the Bilderberg Group that get filters down.
'A united people can not be broken'....... like the miners?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmgebl[/bold] wrote: It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs[/p][/quote]The Union is the Workers[/p][/quote]Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production.[/p][/quote]Its just the Admin (White Collar workers) that are striking this time and not the shop floor workers, but Fords is close to being a close shop, most of Ford Workers belong to one of the Unions. Unite is the biggest Union in Southampton Fords. The problem is the Ordinary people will not stick together and they need to learn to, and when they do they is nothing that they can not achive. A united people can not be broken. The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do, and with the Lib/dem and Labour since Kinnock (its just came to light that Kinnock was invited to the same meeting that the Torys had been invited to attend since 1945 and turned up at the meeting) going to the same meeting now, they are all in the pockets of the same masters the inner Circle of the Bilderberg Group. and people like torchie think they are part of that same club and will support there masters the Torys and even believe in the false propaganda that comes out of the Bilderberg Group that get filters down.[/p][/quote]'A united people can not be broken'....... like the miners? Torchie1
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12:01pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote
The problem is the Ordinary people will not stick together and they need to learn to, and when they do they is nothing that they can not achive. A united people can not be broken.


Which leads one to wonder why they don't form their own company, and create jobs for themselves? After all, the workers are all that matter in a company, right? No need for directors, or management, or startup capital or anything. Just workers.

Right?
[quote]southy wrote The problem is the Ordinary people will not stick together and they need to learn to, and when they do they is nothing that they can not achive. A united people can not be broken.[/quote] Which leads one to wonder why they don't form their own company, and create jobs for themselves? After all, the workers are all that matter in a company, right? No need for directors, or management, or startup capital or anything. Just workers. Right? Georgem
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12:05pm Mon 18 Jun 12

ohec says...

I am sorry to say this southy but i think you need a reality check. If i and any other reasonable person were fortunate to run a company however large or small it would be ME I THE BOSS that calls the tune not any union, i would sooner close the whole business down rather than have the likes of you dictating to me how to run MY business. If Ford suddenly decided to close its U.K. plants how strong would your union be then, for Gods sake man grow up and listen to yourself we now operate on a global basis and the days of companies being dictated to by unions is long gone, yes there is a place for unions as a negotiating tool but that has to be by consent not by threats of industrial action. If you look at the companies that are doing well its because the workers have learnt that you cant have your bread buttered on both sides but butter on one side is better than no butter at all.
I am sorry to say this southy but i think you need a reality check. If i and any other reasonable person were fortunate to run a company however large or small it would be ME I THE BOSS that calls the tune not any union, i would sooner close the whole business down rather than have the likes of you dictating to me how to run MY business. If Ford suddenly decided to close its U.K. plants how strong would your union be then, for Gods sake man grow up and listen to yourself we now operate on a global basis and the days of companies being dictated to by unions is long gone, yes there is a place for unions as a negotiating tool but that has to be by consent not by threats of industrial action. If you look at the companies that are doing well its because the workers have learnt that you cant have your bread buttered on both sides but butter on one side is better than no butter at all. ohec
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12:05pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

'The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do'

The TUSC doesn't have it's masters then? No, of course it doesn't.

Here we go with the shadowy conspiracy theories again.

I suspect actually that 'Torchie' is fully capable of forming his own opinion on it all. Sorry, just because it differs to what you believe, it doesn't mean he's a 'sheep'.

This is why you'll never be a councillor. You don't listen and refuse to listen and disregard everyone else with a patronising attitude believing they are thick or perhaps unenlightened next you.

The delusions go on... and on...
'The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do' The TUSC doesn't have it's masters then? No, of course it doesn't. Here we go with the shadowy conspiracy theories again. I suspect actually that 'Torchie' is fully capable of forming his own opinion on it all. Sorry, just because it differs to what you believe, it doesn't mean he's a 'sheep'. This is why you'll never be a councillor. You don't listen and refuse to listen and disregard everyone else with a patronising attitude believing they are thick or perhaps unenlightened next you. The delusions go on... and on... Shoong
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12:06pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
cmgebl wrote:
It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs
The Union is the Workers
Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production.
Its just the Admin (White Collar workers) that are striking this time and not the shop floor workers, but Fords is close to being a close shop, most of Ford Workers belong to one of the Unions. Unite is the biggest Union in Southampton Fords.

The problem is the Ordinary people will not stick together and they need to learn to, and when they do they is nothing that they can not achive. A united people can not be broken.

The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do, and with the Lib/dem and Labour since Kinnock (its just came to light that Kinnock was invited to the same meeting that the Torys had been invited to attend since 1945 and turned up at the meeting) going to the same meeting now, they are all in the pockets of the same masters the inner Circle of the Bilderberg Group. and people like torchie think they are part of that same club and will support there masters the Torys and even believe in the false propaganda that comes out of the Bilderberg Group that get filters down.
The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do'

The TUSC doesn't have it's masters then? No, of course it doesn't.

Here we go with the shadowy conspiracy theories again.

I suspect actually that 'Torchie' is fully capable of forming his own opinion on it all. Sorry, just because it differs to what you believe, it doesn't mean he's a 'sheep'.

This is why you'll never be a councillor. You don't listen and refuse to listen and disregard everyone else with a patronising attitude believing they are thick or perhaps unenlightened next you.

The delusions go on... and on...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmgebl[/bold] wrote: It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs[/p][/quote]The Union is the Workers[/p][/quote]Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production.[/p][/quote]Its just the Admin (White Collar workers) that are striking this time and not the shop floor workers, but Fords is close to being a close shop, most of Ford Workers belong to one of the Unions. Unite is the biggest Union in Southampton Fords. The problem is the Ordinary people will not stick together and they need to learn to, and when they do they is nothing that they can not achive. A united people can not be broken. The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do, and with the Lib/dem and Labour since Kinnock (its just came to light that Kinnock was invited to the same meeting that the Torys had been invited to attend since 1945 and turned up at the meeting) going to the same meeting now, they are all in the pockets of the same masters the inner Circle of the Bilderberg Group. and people like torchie think they are part of that same club and will support there masters the Torys and even believe in the false propaganda that comes out of the Bilderberg Group that get filters down.[/p][/quote]The Torys will do what there masters tell them to do' The TUSC doesn't have it's masters then? No, of course it doesn't. Here we go with the shadowy conspiracy theories again. I suspect actually that 'Torchie' is fully capable of forming his own opinion on it all. Sorry, just because it differs to what you believe, it doesn't mean he's a 'sheep'. This is why you'll never be a councillor. You don't listen and refuse to listen and disregard everyone else with a patronising attitude believing they are thick or perhaps unenlightened next you. The delusions go on... and on... Shoong
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12:10pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Torchie1 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
mrblunt wrote:
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right.
You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system
There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?
Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days.
Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company.

So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do.

When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.
Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure.
Never been threatened with redundancy yourself I guess? Nicely off? No worries that your own livelihood would be threatened by bad management, I am prejudging you but you, and a couple of others on here, don't give the impression that they have ever had bad times, in which case consider yourself lucky. Others that are not so fortunate have to fight for their rights, not every employer is honest, not every employer is good at management. The best companies are the ones that work with the Unions so that the best of Conditions ensures a work force that wants to do their best for the Company that they work for.
Been threatened with redundancy? Yes. Nicely off? I think so. No worries about my livelihood? Not as long as my company keeps trading as it has done since a group of us saddled ourselves with millions of Euros worth of debt to buy the defunct company and relocate it in the Czech Republic. A decade down the line in the face of the worst trading position that any of us could have dreamed of and we're still making money. One of the aspects of life in the UK that we're well rid of is the feeling that some people have that they are entitled by right to a slice of someone's efforts even though they only feeling like investing the minimum of their own work. It's a global village and the lesson still hasn't reached everyone.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrblunt[/bold] wrote: Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!![/p][/quote]There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right. You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system[/p][/quote]There are plenty of examples of people advised to 'grow a backbone' by those totally unaffected by any outcome. Ask the miners, the steelworkers, the ship builders, BLMC workers, print workers....... there's an endless list of those who took the advice of others to 'grow a backbone' and now reside on the pages of history. Why don't you mortgage your house to fund a campaign so that advising others to take a risk could also affect you?[/p][/quote]Why inclued the Denationationalise companys, they only lost there jobs because of the greed of a few that wanted to get there hands on a state owned companys that was owed to all that was making this country high amount of millions each year that was paying of the 3 debts, then came Thatcher and stole from every one of us and sold those companys to the private sector who make a total hash up it all. The miner was moments away from beating Thatcher just 2 days. Companys can work with out bosses and share holders, but they can not work with out the worker, its the workers that make the money for any company. So yes they do need to grow a back bone and fight for every thing that is right to do. When I work for Companys on contracts like out in the refinery, we had a back bone in those days and we had a number of fights with the bosses and we won alot of ground, now look at them no back bone in them and they lost every thing that we gained.[/p][/quote]Still living in the past and yearning for the 'fights' that destroyed industry in the UK. You still haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and until you understand that expression you are doomed to march along the road to failure.[/p][/quote]Never been threatened with redundancy yourself I guess? Nicely off? No worries that your own livelihood would be threatened by bad management, I am prejudging you but you, and a couple of others on here, don't give the impression that they have ever had bad times, in which case consider yourself lucky. Others that are not so fortunate have to fight for their rights, not every employer is honest, not every employer is good at management. The best companies are the ones that work with the Unions so that the best of Conditions ensures a work force that wants to do their best for the Company that they work for.[/p][/quote]Been threatened with redundancy? Yes. Nicely off? I think so. No worries about my livelihood? Not as long as my company keeps trading as it has done since a group of us saddled ourselves with millions of Euros worth of debt to buy the defunct company and relocate it in the Czech Republic. A decade down the line in the face of the worst trading position that any of us could have dreamed of and we're still making money. One of the aspects of life in the UK that we're well rid of is the feeling that some people have that they are entitled by right to a slice of someone's efforts even though they only feeling like investing the minimum of their own work. It's a global village and the lesson still hasn't reached everyone. Torchie1
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12:14pm Mon 18 Jun 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality. arthur dalyrimple
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12:26pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.
If bosses threaten them with sacking Workers should also start occupying their places of work 
.
Millions upon millions of pounds which most union leaders keep on pouring into the coffers of right wing mobsters led by closet conservative Milliband can be used for starting co-operatives.

Workers also need to learn that those cooperatives when successful will have capitalist vultures circuling over them. Workers should not fall for greed when sharks start offering high prices for their shares. Otherwise if they copy what workers of City Bus did in Southampton they will suffer similar fate and regret for having sold their job security and work conditions.

Economic model of multinational companies was bound to and has failed. Not only us in UK but everywhere alternative approach to life style and modes of employment is required. But how can we eliminate greed and ego from minds of human race, which over the years have become addicted to these moral poisons? 

Mahatma Gandhi tried to cure that human disease, but British establishment kept on beating the hell out of him or kept locking him up and ultra right winger Indian puppets of 'the Raj' shot him dead
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.[/p][/quote]If bosses threaten them with sacking Workers should also start occupying their places of work  . Millions upon millions of pounds which most union leaders keep on pouring into the coffers of right wing mobsters led by closet conservative Milliband can be used for starting co-operatives. Workers also need to learn that those cooperatives when successful will have capitalist vultures circuling over them. Workers should not fall for greed when sharks start offering high prices for their shares. Otherwise if they copy what workers of City Bus did in Southampton they will suffer similar fate and regret for having sold their job security and work conditions. Economic model of multinational companies was bound to and has failed. Not only us in UK but everywhere alternative approach to life style and modes of employment is required. But how can we eliminate greed and ego from minds of human race, which over the years have become addicted to these moral poisons?  Mahatma Gandhi tried to cure that human disease, but British establishment kept on beating the hell out of him or kept locking him up and ultra right winger Indian puppets of 'the Raj' shot him dead Paramjit Bahia
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12:52pm Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.
If bosses threaten them with sacking Workers should also start occupying their places of work 
.
Millions upon millions of pounds which most union leaders keep on pouring into the coffers of right wing mobsters led by closet conservative Milliband can be used for starting co-operatives.

Workers also need to learn that those cooperatives when successful will have capitalist vultures circuling over them. Workers should not fall for greed when sharks start offering high prices for their shares. Otherwise if they copy what workers of City Bus did in Southampton they will suffer similar fate and regret for having sold their job security and work conditions.

Economic model of multinational companies was bound to and has failed. Not only us in UK but everywhere alternative approach to life style and modes of employment is required. But how can we eliminate greed and ego from minds of human race, which over the years have become addicted to these moral poisons? 

Mahatma Gandhi tried to cure that human disease, but British establishment kept on beating the hell out of him or kept locking him up and ultra right winger Indian puppets of 'the Raj' shot him dead
Very true Paramjit.

Co-ops would work and work a lot better than any company with bosses, they are not needed nore are share holders, It just a shame those with money will not leaned to start up a Co-op in its true nature.

It the same reason why they will not let the Post Office run its own bank.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.[/p][/quote]If bosses threaten them with sacking Workers should also start occupying their places of work  . Millions upon millions of pounds which most union leaders keep on pouring into the coffers of right wing mobsters led by closet conservative Milliband can be used for starting co-operatives. Workers also need to learn that those cooperatives when successful will have capitalist vultures circuling over them. Workers should not fall for greed when sharks start offering high prices for their shares. Otherwise if they copy what workers of City Bus did in Southampton they will suffer similar fate and regret for having sold their job security and work conditions. Economic model of multinational companies was bound to and has failed. Not only us in UK but everywhere alternative approach to life style and modes of employment is required. But how can we eliminate greed and ego from minds of human race, which over the years have become addicted to these moral poisons?  Mahatma Gandhi tried to cure that human disease, but British establishment kept on beating the hell out of him or kept locking him up and ultra right winger Indian puppets of 'the Raj' shot him dead[/p][/quote]Very true Paramjit. Co-ops would work and work a lot better than any company with bosses, they are not needed nore are share holders, It just a shame those with money will not leaned to start up a Co-op in its true nature. It the same reason why they will not let the Post Office run its own bank. southy
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12:53pm Mon 18 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
That's only because we have so many negative people with their own agendas and no thought for the future and no respect for the past. The Docks will keep us going for the time being.
[quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]That's only because we have so many negative people with their own agendas and no thought for the future and no respect for the past. The Docks will keep us going for the time being. OSPREYSAINT
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12:54pm Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
[quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it. southy
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1:02pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though. Georgem
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1:26pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid. Shoong
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1:33pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism". Georgem
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1:36pm Mon 18 Jun 12

ohec says...

Even a Co-op has to have a structure ie management, John Lewis have their partnership but they are only workers that have to do as they are told the same as everybody else the only difference being they get a sort of performance pay. The answer is not in confrontation but conversation instead of the them and us attitude the unions and the workers need to understand how pension schemes work and the fact that Ford made x amount is neither here nor there they know what they can afford to pay in wages and they know what pension provision they have to make and the pension scheme is no longer sustainable.
Even a Co-op has to have a structure ie management, John Lewis have their partnership but they are only workers that have to do as they are told the same as everybody else the only difference being they get a sort of performance pay. The answer is not in confrontation but conversation instead of the them and us attitude the unions and the workers need to understand how pension schemes work and the fact that Ford made x amount is neither here nor there they know what they can afford to pay in wages and they know what pension provision they have to make and the pension scheme is no longer sustainable. ohec
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1:37pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
By the way, southy, I just KNOW you're going to try and think of a way to blame teen pregnancy on capitalism. Don't bother. At best, you'll establish a six-degrees-removed causal relationship whose direction you cannot prove.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]By the way, southy, I just KNOW you're going to try and think of a way to blame teen pregnancy on capitalism. Don't bother. At best, you'll establish a six-degrees-removed causal relationship whose direction you cannot prove. Georgem
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1:56pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes. Shoong
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2:06pm Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it.
It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far. southy
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2:08pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it.
It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again. Georgem
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2:09pm Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes.
Not paranoid thats your kind that as that problem unwilling to make real changes, and can't handle the realism off the real world where the majority are suffering because of a few.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes.[/p][/quote]Not paranoid thats your kind that as that problem unwilling to make real changes, and can't handle the realism off the real world where the majority are suffering because of a few. southy
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2:16pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes.
Not paranoid thats your kind that as that problem unwilling to make real changes, and can't handle the realism off the real world where the majority are suffering because of a few.
This strike is the exact opposite of trying to make a real change, though. It's a desperate attempt to keep things exactly as they are, even though that is untenable. Effecting real change would be realising their efforts are better spent elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes.[/p][/quote]Not paranoid thats your kind that as that problem unwilling to make real changes, and can't handle the realism off the real world where the majority are suffering because of a few.[/p][/quote]This strike is the exact opposite of trying to make a real change, though. It's a desperate attempt to keep things exactly as they are, even though that is untenable. Effecting real change would be realising their efforts are better spent elsewhere. Georgem
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2:20pm Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it.
It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers.
Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction.
The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.[/p][/quote]that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction southy
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2:22pm Mon 18 Jun 12

The Salv says...

The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country.
The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country. The Salv
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2:25pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it.
It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers.
Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction.
The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction
Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.[/p][/quote]that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction[/p][/quote]Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler. Georgem
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2:28pm Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes.
Not paranoid thats your kind that as that problem unwilling to make real changes, and can't handle the realism off the real world where the majority are suffering because of a few.
This strike is the exact opposite of trying to make a real change, though. It's a desperate attempt to keep things exactly as they are, even though that is untenable. Effecting real change would be realising their efforts are better spent elsewhere.
Yes keeping it the same is better than going backwards, like it will be doing.
The way things are going we will end up like Tunisa , Libya, Egypt, Syria, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania and a few others in the end change will be force on you, They have push as far as they can now and the number of unemployed and those that are working and can not make ends meet is to many and people are starting to see what Capitalism really means.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes.[/p][/quote]Not paranoid thats your kind that as that problem unwilling to make real changes, and can't handle the realism off the real world where the majority are suffering because of a few.[/p][/quote]This strike is the exact opposite of trying to make a real change, though. It's a desperate attempt to keep things exactly as they are, even though that is untenable. Effecting real change would be realising their efforts are better spent elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Yes keeping it the same is better than going backwards, like it will be doing. The way things are going we will end up like Tunisa , Libya, Egypt, Syria, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania and a few others in the end change will be force on you, They have push as far as they can now and the number of unemployed and those that are working and can not make ends meet is to many and people are starting to see what Capitalism really means. southy
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2:36pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

'a few others in the end change will be force on you'

So Socialism will be 'forced' upon us?

I think you will find that the majority of people want to improve themselves and have the right to freedom and self-determination won't have anything 'forced' upon them.

François Hollande - 3 houses on the French Riviera no less.

We add can him to the Limousine liberal brigade as well.

The Socialist hypocrisy just reeks.
'a few others in the end change will be force on you' So Socialism will be 'forced' upon us? I think you will find that the majority of people want to improve themselves and have the right to freedom and self-determination won't have anything 'forced' upon them. François Hollande - 3 houses on the French Riviera no less. We add can him to the Limousine liberal brigade as well. The Socialist hypocrisy just reeks. Shoong
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2:37pm Mon 18 Jun 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it.
It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers.
Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction.
The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction
Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.
Hitler policy is happening not all Extreme Right Wing Policy is about death camps, You need to under stand what is Fascism policy is, and we have been slowly moving towards it for the last 32 years.
Hitler would be very happy if he could see the world today moving towards in what is vision was, Corporation companys in control, Who was it that said Control the media is to control the people.
And I do not automatically make people become Hilter, I just saying they are moving towards that and not realising that they are.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.[/p][/quote]that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction[/p][/quote]Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.[/p][/quote]Hitler policy is happening not all Extreme Right Wing Policy is about death camps, You need to under stand what is Fascism policy is, and we have been slowly moving towards it for the last 32 years. Hitler would be very happy if he could see the world today moving towards in what is vision was, Corporation companys in control, Who was it that said Control the media is to control the people. And I do not automatically make people become Hilter, I just saying they are moving towards that and not realising that they are. southy
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2:38pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes.
Not paranoid thats your kind that as that problem unwilling to make real changes, and can't handle the realism off the real world where the majority are suffering because of a few.
This strike is the exact opposite of trying to make a real change, though. It's a desperate attempt to keep things exactly as they are, even though that is untenable. Effecting real change would be realising their efforts are better spent elsewhere.
Yes keeping it the same is better than going backwards, like it will be doing.
The way things are going we will end up like Tunisa , Libya, Egypt, Syria, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania and a few others in the end change will be force on you, They have push as far as they can now and the number of unemployed and those that are working and can not make ends meet is to many and people are starting to see what Capitalism really means.
'a few others in the end change will be force on you'

So Socialism will be 'forced' upon us?

I think you will find that the majority of people want to improve themselves and have the right to freedom and self-determination won't have anything 'forced' upon them.

François Hollande - 3 houses on the French Riviera no less.

We add can him to the Limousine liberal brigade as well.

The Socialist hypocrisy just reeks.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it's a symptom of a one track and paranoid mind coupled with ignorance and extreme left politics, I do worry for Pete sometimes.[/p][/quote]Not paranoid thats your kind that as that problem unwilling to make real changes, and can't handle the realism off the real world where the majority are suffering because of a few.[/p][/quote]This strike is the exact opposite of trying to make a real change, though. It's a desperate attempt to keep things exactly as they are, even though that is untenable. Effecting real change would be realising their efforts are better spent elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Yes keeping it the same is better than going backwards, like it will be doing. The way things are going we will end up like Tunisa , Libya, Egypt, Syria, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania and a few others in the end change will be force on you, They have push as far as they can now and the number of unemployed and those that are working and can not make ends meet is to many and people are starting to see what Capitalism really means.[/p][/quote]'a few others in the end change will be force on you' So Socialism will be 'forced' upon us? I think you will find that the majority of people want to improve themselves and have the right to freedom and self-determination won't have anything 'forced' upon them. François Hollande - 3 houses on the French Riviera no less. We add can him to the Limousine liberal brigade as well. The Socialist hypocrisy just reeks. Shoong
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2:39pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it.
It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers.
Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction.
The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction
Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.
Hitler policy is happening not all Extreme Right Wing Policy is about death camps, You need to under stand what is Fascism policy is, and we have been slowly moving towards it for the last 32 years.
Hitler would be very happy if he could see the world today moving towards in what is vision was, Corporation companys in control, Who was it that said Control the media is to control the people.
And I do not automatically make people become Hilter, I just saying they are moving towards that and not realising that they are.
Gawd, you truly are out of your tiny mind.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.[/p][/quote]that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction[/p][/quote]Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.[/p][/quote]Hitler policy is happening not all Extreme Right Wing Policy is about death camps, You need to under stand what is Fascism policy is, and we have been slowly moving towards it for the last 32 years. Hitler would be very happy if he could see the world today moving towards in what is vision was, Corporation companys in control, Who was it that said Control the media is to control the people. And I do not automatically make people become Hilter, I just saying they are moving towards that and not realising that they are.[/p][/quote]Gawd, you truly are out of your tiny mind. Shoong
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2:48pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.
If bosses threaten them with sacking Workers should also start occupying their places of work 
.
Millions upon millions of pounds which most union leaders keep on pouring into the coffers of right wing mobsters led by closet conservative Milliband can be used for starting co-operatives.

Workers also need to learn that those cooperatives when successful will have capitalist vultures circuling over them. Workers should not fall for greed when sharks start offering high prices for their shares. Otherwise if they copy what workers of City Bus did in Southampton they will suffer similar fate and regret for having sold their job security and work conditions.

Economic model of multinational companies was bound to and has failed. Not only us in UK but everywhere alternative approach to life style and modes of employment is required. But how can we eliminate greed and ego from minds of human race, which over the years have become addicted to these moral poisons? 

Mahatma Gandhi tried to cure that human disease, but British establishment kept on beating the hell out of him or kept locking him up and ultra right winger Indian puppets of 'the Raj' shot him dead
India's GDP was up by 7.8 last year - I suspect the continuing growth of the economy isn't really compatible with Mahatma Gandhi's values perhaps.

As I'm sure you know, he died in 1948. The World has changed somewhat since the, keep up.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.[/p][/quote]If bosses threaten them with sacking Workers should also start occupying their places of work  . Millions upon millions of pounds which most union leaders keep on pouring into the coffers of right wing mobsters led by closet conservative Milliband can be used for starting co-operatives. Workers also need to learn that those cooperatives when successful will have capitalist vultures circuling over them. Workers should not fall for greed when sharks start offering high prices for their shares. Otherwise if they copy what workers of City Bus did in Southampton they will suffer similar fate and regret for having sold their job security and work conditions. Economic model of multinational companies was bound to and has failed. Not only us in UK but everywhere alternative approach to life style and modes of employment is required. But how can we eliminate greed and ego from minds of human race, which over the years have become addicted to these moral poisons?  Mahatma Gandhi tried to cure that human disease, but British establishment kept on beating the hell out of him or kept locking him up and ultra right winger Indian puppets of 'the Raj' shot him dead[/p][/quote]India's GDP was up by 7.8 last year - I suspect the continuing growth of the economy isn't really compatible with Mahatma Gandhi's values perhaps. As I'm sure you know, he died in 1948. The World has changed somewhat since the, keep up. Shoong
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2:51pm Mon 18 Jun 12

mrblunt says...

southy wrote:
mrblunt wrote:
Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!!
There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right.
You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system
Great to have a strong backbone. It will be needed to stand in the unemployment queue with the thousands of others worker led there by the Unions who were 'looking after their members best interest' !!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrblunt[/bold] wrote: Do I hear the bands playing and see the banners waiving as the Union leads another group of workers into job oblivion !!![/p][/quote]There will be no jobs if the Union don't put up a fight for what is right. You need to grow a back bone, and stop being a bline slave sheep to the system[/p][/quote]Great to have a strong backbone. It will be needed to stand in the unemployment queue with the thousands of others worker led there by the Unions who were 'looking after their members best interest' !! mrblunt
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2:53pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

It turns out there are two types of people in this world. Southy, and fascists. Who knew?
It turns out there are two types of people in this world. Southy, and fascists. Who knew? Georgem
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2:56pm Mon 18 Jun 12

The Salv says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction
Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.
Actually in this matter it is reductio ad hitlerum.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.[/p][/quote]that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction[/p][/quote]Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.[/p][/quote]Actually in this matter it is reductio ad hitlerum. The Salv
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3:15pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

The Salv wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction
Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.
Actually in this matter it is reductio ad hitlerum.
I think it's more a false dichotomy southy has placed on the world.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.[/p][/quote]that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction[/p][/quote]Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.[/p][/quote]Actually in this matter it is reductio ad hitlerum.[/p][/quote]I think it's more a false dichotomy southy has placed on the world. Georgem
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3:15pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Shoong says...

The Salv wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction
Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.
Actually in this matter it is reductio ad hitlerum.
Must admit I don't know Latin, so I'm going to stick to calling it 'b011ocks'.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.[/p][/quote]that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction[/p][/quote]Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.[/p][/quote]Actually in this matter it is reductio ad hitlerum.[/p][/quote]Must admit I don't know Latin, so I'm going to stick to calling it 'b011ocks'. Shoong
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3:21pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Old Man of the Sea says...

At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level?
At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level? Old Man of the Sea
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3:27pm Mon 18 Jun 12

ohec says...

At least its a nice day for all the strikers, they can go back to work tomorrow feeling refreshed and work twice as hard.
At least its a nice day for all the strikers, they can go back to work tomorrow feeling refreshed and work twice as hard. ohec
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3:49pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

Old Man of the Sea wrote:
At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level?
I think it happens the first time he makes a decision that's unpopular with the other workers. You know, because companies exist solely for the benefit of the lowly worker....
[quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level?[/p][/quote]I think it happens the first time he makes a decision that's unpopular with the other workers. You know, because companies exist solely for the benefit of the lowly worker.... Georgem
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4:10pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

The Salv wrote:
The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country.
Well as the Tories are in a coalition now and screwing things up in aces ......... You would like too see a coalition with UKip instead ... who dont have any MP's ....... Are you on medication ........ It would explain a lot !!
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country.[/p][/quote]Well as the Tories are in a coalition now and screwing things up in aces ......... You would like too see a coalition with UKip instead ... who dont have any MP's ....... Are you on medication ........ It would explain a lot !! Lone Ranger.
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4:12pm Mon 18 Jun 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
cmgebl wrote:
It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs
The Union is the Workers
Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production.
Osprey what's going on in your head?
vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country?
They lower corporate taxes so hoe exactly are they taxing companies out?
Unite is striking eve4ry where.
You some times come across as a very intelligent person & you know it was Gordan Browns robbing of the Private pension funds that have left companies ceasing final salary pensions or don't you believe that?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmgebl[/bold] wrote: It's only the union that is going on strike if any of the workers were to go on strike they would lose there jobs[/p][/quote]The Union is the Workers[/p][/quote]Not all of the workers are Union. Let us put this one into perspective, it is not a major event, just a section of the work force that think they are being given a raw deal and are making a protest, hopefully it will concentrate minds on getting a mutual agreement. Not a major reason to shut the plant down which is what the vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country they are hardly coming out as the goods guys when it comes to encouraging Industrial production.[/p][/quote]Osprey what's going on in your head? vindictive Tory bully boys would like to see for what ever reason. As they seem determined to Tax firms out of the Country? They lower corporate taxes so hoe exactly are they taxing companies out? Unite is striking eve4ry where. You some times come across as a very intelligent person & you know it was Gordan Browns robbing of the Private pension funds that have left companies ceasing final salary pensions or don't you believe that? loosehead
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4:19pm Mon 18 Jun 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The trouble is the more they complain and strike,the more likely Ford will switch operations overseas where workers have no rights,you dig your own grave.
Thats why the Turkey plant have been on strike all ready
Southy exactly what's the wage structure in Turkey?
Turkish Tobacco were buying machinery from my old factory.
some fitters went over to install it.
the lorry pulled up the fitters expected a heavy lifting fork truck what they got was loads of men lifting it off the truck.
One hurt his shoulder he lost his job but the machinery was offloaded.
I would never accept those conditions.
Permanent Ford office workers aren't being touched it's only new employees & they don't have to accept the job do they?
Sainsbury's pay overtime if you started before a certain date after that you just got paid as normal with the extra hours you've worked how is this any different than Fords or Doctors?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The trouble is the more they complain and strike,the more likely Ford will switch operations overseas where workers have no rights,you dig your own grave.[/p][/quote]Thats why the Turkey plant have been on strike all ready[/p][/quote]Southy exactly what's the wage structure in Turkey? Turkish Tobacco were buying machinery from my old factory. some fitters went over to install it. the lorry pulled up the fitters expected a heavy lifting fork truck what they got was loads of men lifting it off the truck. One hurt his shoulder he lost his job but the machinery was offloaded. I would never accept those conditions. Permanent Ford office workers aren't being touched it's only new employees & they don't have to accept the job do they? Sainsbury's pay overtime if you started before a certain date after that you just got paid as normal with the extra hours you've worked how is this any different than Fords or Doctors? loosehead
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4:28pm Mon 18 Jun 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it.
It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers.
Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction.
The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction
Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.
Hitler policy is happening not all Extreme Right Wing Policy is about death camps, You need to under stand what is Fascism policy is, and we have been slowly moving towards it for the last 32 years.
Hitler would be very happy if he could see the world today moving towards in what is vision was, Corporation companys in control, Who was it that said Control the media is to control the people.
And I do not automatically make people become Hilter, I just saying they are moving towards that and not realising that they are.
Did or have you ever read Mein Kampf ( hope I spelt itv right).
Southy don't go on about Hitler & Nazis . didn't Karl Marx say to do exactly what your blaming Fascists for doing?
Didn't Stalin do it?
Didn't Communist China do it?
At this moment we have a Union called Unite that says do it our way or we'll run you out of office & if your a company we'll force you to relocate abroad & the only place they've changed that attitude was Ellesmere Port where the Government ( you know those Tory/Liberal Fascists) fought to keep car production there it wouldn't have looked good for Unite if they lost it would it?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.[/p][/quote]that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction[/p][/quote]Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.[/p][/quote]Hitler policy is happening not all Extreme Right Wing Policy is about death camps, You need to under stand what is Fascism policy is, and we have been slowly moving towards it for the last 32 years. Hitler would be very happy if he could see the world today moving towards in what is vision was, Corporation companys in control, Who was it that said Control the media is to control the people. And I do not automatically make people become Hilter, I just saying they are moving towards that and not realising that they are.[/p][/quote]Did or have you ever read Mein Kampf ( hope I spelt itv right). Southy don't go on about Hitler & Nazis . didn't Karl Marx say to do exactly what your blaming Fascists for doing? Didn't Stalin do it? Didn't Communist China do it? At this moment we have a Union called Unite that says do it our way or we'll run you out of office & if your a company we'll force you to relocate abroad & the only place they've changed that attitude was Ellesmere Port where the Government ( you know those Tory/Liberal Fascists) fought to keep car production there it wouldn't have looked good for Unite if they lost it would it? loosehead
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4:44pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Old Man of the Sea says...

Georgem wrote:
Old Man of the Sea wrote:
At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level?
I think it happens the first time he makes a decision that's unpopular with the other workers. You know, because companies exist solely for the benefit of the lowly worker....
I thought that Companies existed to produce a product at a reasonable profit, provide employment for the work staff and pay taxes into the Government coffers - contributing to the NHS, the DHS and similar departments. I didn't realise that they were there to provide an inflated pay rate to people who preferred to do the minimum amount for the maximum return, provided of course that they supported a Socialist political dogma.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level?[/p][/quote]I think it happens the first time he makes a decision that's unpopular with the other workers. You know, because companies exist solely for the benefit of the lowly worker....[/p][/quote]I thought that Companies existed to produce a product at a reasonable profit, provide employment for the work staff and pay taxes into the Government coffers - contributing to the NHS, the DHS and similar departments. I didn't realise that they were there to provide an inflated pay rate to people who preferred to do the minimum amount for the maximum return, provided of course that they supported a Socialist political dogma. Old Man of the Sea
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5:04pm Mon 18 Jun 12

long memory says...

southy wrote:
Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.
Southy,I presume you have never ran a business.Like most unions, or your good self,they know all the answers on how businesses should be run,but most of them wouldn't know where to start. Personally I wouldn't allow any of the unions to run a whelk stall.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Whats needed in this country is a General Strike, all out thats the only way the worker will regain lost ground.[/p][/quote]Southy,I presume you have never ran a business.Like most unions, or your good self,they know all the answers on how businesses should be run,but most of them wouldn't know where to start. Personally I wouldn't allow any of the unions to run a whelk stall. long memory
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5:17pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Keith Oftergrass says...

Thought I heard gunfire this morning, the sound of Ford 'workers' shooting themsleves in the foot no doubt !

Nice one lads, see you down the Labour Exchange.
Thought I heard gunfire this morning, the sound of Ford 'workers' shooting themsleves in the foot no doubt ! Nice one lads, see you down the Labour Exchange. Keith Oftergrass
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5:22pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

Old Man of the Sea wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Old Man of the Sea wrote:
At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level?
I think it happens the first time he makes a decision that's unpopular with the other workers. You know, because companies exist solely for the benefit of the lowly worker....
I thought that Companies existed to produce a product at a reasonable profit, provide employment for the work staff and pay taxes into the Government coffers - contributing to the NHS, the DHS and similar departments. I didn't realise that they were there to provide an inflated pay rate to people who preferred to do the minimum amount for the maximum return, provided of course that they supported a Socialist political dogma.
You poor, naive, deluded fool.
[quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level?[/p][/quote]I think it happens the first time he makes a decision that's unpopular with the other workers. You know, because companies exist solely for the benefit of the lowly worker....[/p][/quote]I thought that Companies existed to produce a product at a reasonable profit, provide employment for the work staff and pay taxes into the Government coffers - contributing to the NHS, the DHS and similar departments. I didn't realise that they were there to provide an inflated pay rate to people who preferred to do the minimum amount for the maximum return, provided of course that they supported a Socialist political dogma.[/p][/quote]You poor, naive, deluded fool. Georgem
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6:11pm Mon 18 Jun 12

The Salv says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
The Salv wrote:
The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country.
Well as the Tories are in a coalition now and screwing things up in aces ......... You would like too see a coalition with UKip instead ... who dont have any MP's ....... Are you on medication ........ It would explain a lot !!
You actually hunt through every single article dont you looking for quotes by The Salv...
.
I do find it rather flattering.
.
Please look up Hypotheticals in the dictionary.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country.[/p][/quote]Well as the Tories are in a coalition now and screwing things up in aces ......... You would like too see a coalition with UKip instead ... who dont have any MP's ....... Are you on medication ........ It would explain a lot !![/p][/quote]You actually hunt through every single article dont you looking for quotes by The Salv... . I do find it rather flattering. . Please look up Hypotheticals in the dictionary. The Salv
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7:27pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

The Salv wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
The Salv wrote:
The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country.
Well as the Tories are in a coalition now and screwing things up in aces ......... You would like too see a coalition with UKip instead ... who dont have any MP's ....... Are you on medication ........ It would explain a lot !!
You actually hunt through every single article dont you looking for quotes by The Salv...
.
I do find it rather flattering.
.
Please look up Hypotheticals in the dictionary.
No i just look for the most stupid ones ......... and funnily enough they are mostly all yours
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country.[/p][/quote]Well as the Tories are in a coalition now and screwing things up in aces ......... You would like too see a coalition with UKip instead ... who dont have any MP's ....... Are you on medication ........ It would explain a lot !![/p][/quote]You actually hunt through every single article dont you looking for quotes by The Salv... . I do find it rather flattering. . Please look up Hypotheticals in the dictionary.[/p][/quote]No i just look for the most stupid ones ......... and funnily enough they are mostly all yours Lone Ranger.
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7:30pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

The Salv wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
The Salv wrote:
The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country.
Well as the Tories are in a coalition now and screwing things up in aces ......... You would like too see a coalition with UKip instead ... who dont have any MP's ....... Are you on medication ........ It would explain a lot !!
You actually hunt through every single article dont you looking for quotes by The Salv...
.
I do find it rather flattering.
.
Please look up Hypotheticals in the dictionary.
http://encyclopediad
ramatica.se/Unwarran
ted_Self-Importance
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: The Tories and UKIP - Now theres a coalition I'd like too see. The only ones capable of running our country.[/p][/quote]Well as the Tories are in a coalition now and screwing things up in aces ......... You would like too see a coalition with UKip instead ... who dont have any MP's ....... Are you on medication ........ It would explain a lot !![/p][/quote]You actually hunt through every single article dont you looking for quotes by The Salv... . I do find it rather flattering. . Please look up Hypotheticals in the dictionary.[/p][/quote]http://encyclopediad ramatica.se/Unwarran ted_Self-Importance Georgem
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9:52pm Mon 18 Jun 12

gillyman says...

i read all these simpletons on here who say ford workers are digging their own grave no strike in the southampton plant since the seventies but the next model transit is to be built in turkey and southampton will get the scraps so how can striking be digging their graves when not triking has already cost half the workforce
i read all these simpletons on here who say ford workers are digging their own grave no strike in the southampton plant since the seventies but the next model transit is to be built in turkey and southampton will get the scraps so how can striking be digging their graves when not triking has already cost half the workforce gillyman
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9:59pm Mon 18 Jun 12

long memory says...

gillyman wrote:
i read all these simpletons on here who say ford workers are digging their own grave no strike in the southampton plant since the seventies but the next model transit is to be built in turkey and southampton will get the scraps so how can striking be digging their graves when not triking has already cost half the workforce
Half a workforce is better than no workforce.
[quote][p][bold]gillyman[/bold] wrote: i read all these simpletons on here who say ford workers are digging their own grave no strike in the southampton plant since the seventies but the next model transit is to be built in turkey and southampton will get the scraps so how can striking be digging their graves when not triking has already cost half the workforce[/p][/quote]Half a workforce is better than no workforce. long memory
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10:16pm Mon 18 Jun 12

Georgem says...

gillyman wrote:
i read all these simpletons on here who say ford workers are digging their own grave no strike in the southampton plant since the seventies but the next model transit is to be built in turkey and southampton will get the scraps so how can striking be digging their graves when not triking has already cost half the workforce
I fail to see how triking has any relevance to this. Cyclists, regardless of how many wheels the favour, are irrelevant to this discussion.
[quote][p][bold]gillyman[/bold] wrote: i read all these simpletons on here who say ford workers are digging their own grave no strike in the southampton plant since the seventies but the next model transit is to be built in turkey and southampton will get the scraps so how can striking be digging their graves when not triking has already cost half the workforce[/p][/quote]I fail to see how triking has any relevance to this. Cyclists, regardless of how many wheels the favour, are irrelevant to this discussion. Georgem
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11:12pm Mon 18 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure. OSPREYSAINT
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11:14pm Mon 18 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Old Man of the Sea wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Old Man of the Sea wrote:
At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level?
I think it happens the first time he makes a decision that's unpopular with the other workers. You know, because companies exist solely for the benefit of the lowly worker....
I thought that Companies existed to produce a product at a reasonable profit, provide employment for the work staff and pay taxes into the Government coffers - contributing to the NHS, the DHS and similar departments. I didn't realise that they were there to provide an inflated pay rate to people who preferred to do the minimum amount for the maximum return, provided of course that they supported a Socialist political dogma.
A novel way of spinning the truth, next question, what happens to those managers that sack all of their staff? Who are they going to manage and what will happen to their own jobs? It is not only the workers who are shooting themselves in the foot.
[quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: At what point in a Company structure does a worker (supported by all good Socialists) become promoted to being a "boss" and be reviled by the same Socialists? Is it when he reaches a level of decision making or purely his salary level?[/p][/quote]I think it happens the first time he makes a decision that's unpopular with the other workers. You know, because companies exist solely for the benefit of the lowly worker....[/p][/quote]I thought that Companies existed to produce a product at a reasonable profit, provide employment for the work staff and pay taxes into the Government coffers - contributing to the NHS, the DHS and similar departments. I didn't realise that they were there to provide an inflated pay rate to people who preferred to do the minimum amount for the maximum return, provided of course that they supported a Socialist political dogma.[/p][/quote]A novel way of spinning the truth, next question, what happens to those managers that sack all of their staff? Who are they going to manage and what will happen to their own jobs? It is not only the workers who are shooting themselves in the foot. OSPREYSAINT
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11:22pm Mon 18 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
gillyman wrote:
i read all these simpletons on here who say ford workers are digging their own grave no strike in the southampton plant since the seventies but the next model transit is to be built in turkey and southampton will get the scraps so how can striking be digging their graves when not triking has already cost half the workforce
I fail to see how triking has any relevance to this. Cyclists, regardless of how many wheels the favour, are irrelevant to this discussion.
A striking response to a spelling mistake, you have been elected on to the board of the Spelling and Grammar Police. Welcome.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gillyman[/bold] wrote: i read all these simpletons on here who say ford workers are digging their own grave no strike in the southampton plant since the seventies but the next model transit is to be built in turkey and southampton will get the scraps so how can striking be digging their graves when not triking has already cost half the workforce[/p][/quote]I fail to see how triking has any relevance to this. Cyclists, regardless of how many wheels the favour, are irrelevant to this discussion.[/p][/quote]A striking response to a spelling mistake, you have been elected on to the board of the Spelling and Grammar Police. Welcome. OSPREYSAINT
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11:24pm Mon 18 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.
Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it.
It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.
No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.
that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers.
Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction.
The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction
Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.
Hitler policy is happening not all Extreme Right Wing Policy is about death camps, You need to under stand what is Fascism policy is, and we have been slowly moving towards it for the last 32 years.
Hitler would be very happy if he could see the world today moving towards in what is vision was, Corporation companys in control, Who was it that said Control the media is to control the people.
And I do not automatically make people become Hilter, I just saying they are moving towards that and not realising that they are.
Did or have you ever read Mein Kampf ( hope I spelt itv right).
Southy don't go on about Hitler & Nazis . didn't Karl Marx say to do exactly what your blaming Fascists for doing?
Didn't Stalin do it?
Didn't Communist China do it?
At this moment we have a Union called Unite that says do it our way or we'll run you out of office & if your a company we'll force you to relocate abroad & the only place they've changed that attitude was Ellesmere Port where the Government ( you know those Tory/Liberal Fascists) fought to keep car production there it wouldn't have looked good for Unite if they lost it would it?
So much history, so little learned!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Simply stating it, does not make it so. Nice try, though.[/p][/quote]Don't have just state it, the real prof is out there for all to see, every country that is 100% Capitalist in Economics and Political are all in masive debt to the few and all are in a level of Recession and its is Capitalism that is causing it. It just people like your self who refuse to believe it and try to push the blame onto some thing else. Capitalism is dead every from of Capitalism as been tired now and not one works. Its time we change and the only real change is socialism of some sort but it must be applied by socialist and not Capitalist like the world as seen so far.[/p][/quote]No, Southy, that's not how debate works. I'm not getting into this with you again.[/p][/quote]that is how debates works, look at the edvidence all around you its there for all to see but you will all way carry on believing in the false propaganda that isfeed to you by your Extreme Right wing controllers. Look how many times your kind blame Brown, when its not Brown causing it, its the system the Capitalist system it just don't work in a modern world, Capitalism is out dated its the oldest system in the world, its broken beyond repair, things will only just get deeper and deeper in to trouble untill its to late and that War of all Wars, the Final War happens, no winner just losers and a Human Race going into extiction. The final Epilog of Captalist will be We Done all and drove to Extiction[/p][/quote]Err, what extreme right wing views do I hold, exactly? I think it's time you dropped this amount of ad hominem. People who do not agree with you do not automatically become Hitler.[/p][/quote]Hitler policy is happening not all Extreme Right Wing Policy is about death camps, You need to under stand what is Fascism policy is, and we have been slowly moving towards it for the last 32 years. Hitler would be very happy if he could see the world today moving towards in what is vision was, Corporation companys in control, Who was it that said Control the media is to control the people. And I do not automatically make people become Hilter, I just saying they are moving towards that and not realising that they are.[/p][/quote]Did or have you ever read Mein Kampf ( hope I spelt itv right). Southy don't go on about Hitler & Nazis . didn't Karl Marx say to do exactly what your blaming Fascists for doing? Didn't Stalin do it? Didn't Communist China do it? At this moment we have a Union called Unite that says do it our way or we'll run you out of office & if your a company we'll force you to relocate abroad & the only place they've changed that attitude was Ellesmere Port where the Government ( you know those Tory/Liberal Fascists) fought to keep car production there it wouldn't have looked good for Unite if they lost it would it?[/p][/quote]So much history, so little learned! OSPREYSAINT
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12:41am Tue 19 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

ohec wrote:
At least its a nice day for all the strikers, they can go back to work tomorrow feeling refreshed and work twice as hard.
...and nobody died......
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: At least its a nice day for all the strikers, they can go back to work tomorrow feeling refreshed and work twice as hard.[/p][/quote]...and nobody died...... OSPREYSAINT
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8:18am Tue 19 Jun 12

Georgem says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
No, it was evil capitalism.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.[/p][/quote]No, it was evil capitalism. Georgem
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9:23am Tue 19 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
No, it was evil capitalism.
Is there another kind?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.[/p][/quote]No, it was evil capitalism.[/p][/quote]Is there another kind? OSPREYSAINT
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10:40am Tue 19 Jun 12

Georgem says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
No, it was evil capitalism.
Is there another kind?
Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.[/p][/quote]No, it was evil capitalism.[/p][/quote]Is there another kind?[/p][/quote]Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW. Georgem
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12:48pm Tue 19 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
No, it was evil capitalism.
Is there another kind?
Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.
so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ?
No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.[/p][/quote]No, it was evil capitalism.[/p][/quote]Is there another kind?[/p][/quote]Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.[/p][/quote]so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ? No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor loosehead
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1:26pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Georgem says...

loosehead wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
No, it was evil capitalism.
Is there another kind?
Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.
so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ?
No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor
You realise those last few posts between OSPREYSAINT and myself were sarcasm, right?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.[/p][/quote]No, it was evil capitalism.[/p][/quote]Is there another kind?[/p][/quote]Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.[/p][/quote]so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ? No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor[/p][/quote]You realise those last few posts between OSPREYSAINT and myself were sarcasm, right? Georgem
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4:30pm Tue 19 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
No, it was evil capitalism.
Is there another kind?
Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.
so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ?
No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor
You realise those last few posts between OSPREYSAINT and myself were sarcasm, right?
wink wink!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.[/p][/quote]No, it was evil capitalism.[/p][/quote]Is there another kind?[/p][/quote]Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.[/p][/quote]so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ? No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor[/p][/quote]You realise those last few posts between OSPREYSAINT and myself were sarcasm, right?[/p][/quote]wink wink! OSPREYSAINT
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4:32pm Tue 19 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
No, it was evil capitalism.
Is there another kind?
Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.
so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ?
No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor
It's not the workers queuing up for rationed food, it is the jobless, and as for Caviar? Yeuk!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.[/p][/quote]No, it was evil capitalism.[/p][/quote]Is there another kind?[/p][/quote]Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.[/p][/quote]so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ? No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor[/p][/quote]It's not the workers queuing up for rationed food, it is the jobless, and as for Caviar? Yeuk! OSPREYSAINT
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9:06pm Tue 19 Jun 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
No, it was evil capitalism.
Is there another kind?
Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.
so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ?
No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor
It's not the workers queuing up for rationed food, it is the jobless, and as for Caviar? Yeuk!
Been to Greece or Northern Korea lately then?
So you & Goergem are being sarcastic?
I just feel Unite seems to be out of touch with the real world & the only Union who I thought were ever up to date was the Electricians ,( can't remember what it was called back then).
Anyway one more day of summer & it's back to the wet stuff so have fun
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.[/p][/quote]No, it was evil capitalism.[/p][/quote]Is there another kind?[/p][/quote]Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.[/p][/quote]so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ? No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor[/p][/quote]It's not the workers queuing up for rationed food, it is the jobless, and as for Caviar? Yeuk![/p][/quote]Been to Greece or Northern Korea lately then? So you & Goergem are being sarcastic? I just feel Unite seems to be out of touch with the real world & the only Union who I thought were ever up to date was the Electricians ,( can't remember what it was called back then). Anyway one more day of summer & it's back to the wet stuff so have fun loosehead
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9:29pm Tue 19 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.
And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.
Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school.

Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.
What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has.

"Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".
Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.
No, it was evil capitalism.
Is there another kind?
Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.
so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ?
No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor
It's not the workers queuing up for rationed food, it is the jobless, and as for Caviar? Yeuk!
Been to Greece or Northern Korea lately then?
So you & Goergem are being sarcastic?
I just feel Unite seems to be out of touch with the real world & the only Union who I thought were ever up to date was the Electricians ,( can't remember what it was called back then).
Anyway one more day of summer & it's back to the wet stuff so have fun
No I haven't and wouldn't want to, would you? My Union is the RMT and they have a dinosaur for a leader too, but although there have been the usual posturing, most disputes have been settled fairly after proper consultation. Strike action is the ultimate weapon, the threat is just a bargaining ploy.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: Southampton , a rapidly dieing city in a dieing country , that,s the reality.[/p][/quote]And its Capitalism that is killing this City and Country and that is the reality of it.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you can say that really as you consistently show time after time that you have no grasp of economics. If striking is your only idea then I suggest going back to school. Yourself and the word 'reality' just don't go I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]What's most amusing is his belief that there is a single, easily-identifiable cause of the myriad problems this country has. "Why is teen pregnancy so rampant?" "Oh, because of capitalism".[/p][/quote]Teenage Pregnancy is more down to people with their brains in their trousers and knickers, showing a total lack of responsibility in pursuit of personal pleasure.[/p][/quote]No, it was evil capitalism.[/p][/quote]Is there another kind?[/p][/quote]Good point. No. All capitalism is evil. Marxism FTW.[/p][/quote]so you prefer the world of the workers queuing up for rationed food whilst the party members are eating caviar ? No matter what type you have you will always get the elite & the poor[/p][/quote]It's not the workers queuing up for rationed food, it is the jobless, and as for Caviar? Yeuk![/p][/quote]Been to Greece or Northern Korea lately then? So you & Goergem are being sarcastic? I just feel Unite seems to be out of touch with the real world & the only Union who I thought were ever up to date was the Electricians ,( can't remember what it was called back then). Anyway one more day of summer & it's back to the wet stuff so have fun[/p][/quote]No I haven't and wouldn't want to, would you? My Union is the RMT and they have a dinosaur for a leader too, but although there have been the usual posturing, most disputes have been settled fairly after proper consultation. Strike action is the ultimate weapon, the threat is just a bargaining ploy. OSPREYSAINT
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9:36pm Tue 19 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

England won 1 0 no credit to the Capitalists there.
England won 1 0 no credit to the Capitalists there. OSPREYSAINT
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5:41am Wed 20 Jun 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
England won 1 0 no credit to the Capitalists there.
Come on sarcasm's okay but down right lies is another thing!
Footballers must be amongst the biggest capitalists going aren't they?
Osprey a Union that fights for job security fine but one like Unite that shouts strike at the drop of a hat with no care about how many job losses there are isn't fine
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: England won 1 0 no credit to the Capitalists there.[/p][/quote]Come on sarcasm's okay but down right lies is another thing! Footballers must be amongst the biggest capitalists going aren't they? Osprey a Union that fights for job security fine but one like Unite that shouts strike at the drop of a hat with no care about how many job losses there are isn't fine loosehead
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8:55am Wed 20 Jun 12

Georgem says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
England won 1 0 no credit to the Capitalists there.
Come on sarcasm's okay but down right lies is another thing!
Footballers must be amongst the biggest capitalists going aren't they?
Osprey a Union that fights for job security fine but one like Unite that shouts strike at the drop of a hat with no care about how many job losses there are isn't fine
Good grief....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: England won 1 0 no credit to the Capitalists there.[/p][/quote]Come on sarcasm's okay but down right lies is another thing! Footballers must be amongst the biggest capitalists going aren't they? Osprey a Union that fights for job security fine but one like Unite that shouts strike at the drop of a hat with no care about how many job losses there are isn't fine[/p][/quote]Good grief.... Georgem
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9:31pm Wed 20 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
England won 1 0 no credit to the Capitalists there.
Come on sarcasm's okay but down right lies is another thing!
Footballers must be amongst the biggest capitalists going aren't they?
Osprey a Union that fights for job security fine but one like Unite that shouts strike at the drop of a hat with no care about how many job losses there are isn't fine
Good grief....
Nuff said!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: England won 1 0 no credit to the Capitalists there.[/p][/quote]Come on sarcasm's okay but down right lies is another thing! Footballers must be amongst the biggest capitalists going aren't they? Osprey a Union that fights for job security fine but one like Unite that shouts strike at the drop of a hat with no care about how many job losses there are isn't fine[/p][/quote]Good grief....[/p][/quote]Nuff said! OSPREYSAINT
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