Arrest over A35 death crash (From Daily Echo)

I used to use both the A31 or the A35 to travel to work for about 6 years. Both roads encourage such high speeds and i cannot believe that after the amount of fatal crashes along both stretches nothing has been done. Im not generally one to encourage Cameras etc but surely something should be put in place (average speed check cameras from one end to the other and maybe one in the middle would be my suggestion)
My thoughts go out to the family and friends of the poor lady who lost her life in this tragic incident.

saint robbie wrote:
I used to use both the A31 or the A35 to travel to work for about 6 years. Both roads encourage such high speeds and i cannot believe that after the amount of fatal crashes along both stretches nothing has been done. Im not generally one to encourage Cameras etc but surely something should be put in place (average speed check cameras from one end to the other and maybe one in the middle would be my suggestion)
My thoughts go out to the family and friends of the poor lady who lost her life in this tragic incident.

I agree - Average speed checks every 5 miles or so would really help - I've driven down that road before (staying within the speed limit) and have repeatedly been overtaken by drivers doing 20mph or so faster!

Speed limits are there for a reason!

Condolences to the loved ones of the person who died and to all those suffering from this collision.

Not to speculate on the particulars of this crash; the sat image of the area made me think this stretch of road had problematic access to the A35 for the locals.

As a new arrival to the country I was wondering how long would it take, and what would be involved, for the people of New Milton to get a round-a-bout installed at that location(B3058 junction) for safer access to the A35? Issues like this in the states often go unresolved until the state/county/city is sued by the family of a victim of a crash. After a huge settlement, the government decides it is cheaper to make an investment in safer roads rather than risk another lawsuit.

Any chance things are done better(less litigious) or quicker here in the UK?

YankeeDoodle wrote:
Condolences to the loved ones of the person who died and to all those suffering from this collision.

Not to speculate on the particulars of this crash; the sat image of the area made me think this stretch of road had problematic access to the A35 for the locals.

As a new arrival to the country I was wondering how long would it take, and what would be involved, for the people of New Milton to get a round-a-bout installed at that location(B3058 junction) for safer access to the A35? Issues like this in the states often go unresolved until the state/county/city is sued by the family of a victim of a crash. After a huge settlement, the government decides it is cheaper to make an investment in safer roads rather than risk another lawsuit.

Any chance things are done better(less litigious) or quicker here in the UK?

everything or everyone is sued in the states,thank god we're not as bad as your lot yet

Another To55er speeding and overtaking dangerously then. I hope they throw the book at him. Too many @rsehols like that on the road.

soton-mike80 wrote:

saint robbie wrote: I used to use both the A31 or the A35 to travel to work for about 6 years. Both roads encourage such high speeds and i cannot believe that after the amount of fatal crashes along both stretches nothing has been done. Im not generally one to encourage Cameras etc but surely something should be put in place (average speed check cameras from one end to the other and maybe one in the middle would be my suggestion) My thoughts go out to the family and friends of the poor lady who lost her life in this tragic incident.

I agree - Average speed checks every 5 miles or so would really help - I've driven down that road before (staying within the speed limit) and have repeatedly been overtaken by drivers doing 20mph or so faster! Speed limits are there for a reason!

Average speed checks and no overtaking. I couldnt agree more.

The Salv wrote:
Another To55er speeding and overtaking dangerously then. I hope they throw the book at him. Too many @rsehols like that on the road.

I take it from your comments that you witnessed the accident? Otherwise, how would you know he was speeding?

The Salv wrote:
Another To55er speeding and overtaking dangerously then. I hope they throw the book at him. Too many @rsehols like that on the road.

another To55er jumping the gun, making assumptions without the full facts before him/ her.

It's already been reported on various other news sites that the driver was overtaking at speed and was on the wrong side of the road when he hit the deceased.

Like many others writing here, I have also used this road regularly in the past and have witnessed numerous accidents and near misses.

The A35, like the A31 and A337, are major routes through the New Forest and have seen far too many fatalities in recent years.

Something should be done to curb speeding on these routes and reduce the risk of further fatalities.

Personally I don't like average speed cameras, but I also know these work more efficiently than stand alone cameras that only capture speed at one point in the road.

Above all, condolences to the family and friends of the deceased and a speed recovery to the passenger.

We don't know the circumstances yet. The arrested man may or not have been speeding, he may or may have not been messing with his phone he may or may not have been distracted for some reason. One thing is for sure speed does not kill. Bad driving kills. R.I.P.

Hardly suprising given the terrible standard of driving I witness regularly on the road.
Condolences to the deceased.
To the idiot who has been arrested - you ruined your life and took another, all because of your bad driving.

Insignia's are very popular company cars. Was this one of them?

southampton999 wrote:
We don't know the circumstances yet. The arrested man may or not have been speeding, he may or may have not been messing with his phone he may or may not have been distracted for some reason. One thing is for sure speed does not kill. Bad driving kills. R.I.P.

Speed does not kill???

Well i hope to god you havent got a driving licence.

YankeeDoodle wrote:
Condolences to the loved ones of the person who died and to all those suffering from this collision.

Not to speculate on the particulars of this crash; the sat image of the area made me think this stretch of road had problematic access to the A35 for the locals.

As a new arrival to the country I was wondering how long would it take, and what would be involved, for the people of New Milton to get a round-a-bout installed at that location(B3058 junction) for safer access to the A35? Issues like this in the states often go unresolved until the state/county/city is sued by the family of a victim of a crash. After a huge settlement, the government decides it is cheaper to make an investment in safer roads rather than risk another lawsuit.

Any chance things are done better(less litigious) or quicker here in the UK?

The accident was further west towards Christchurch and nowhere in sight of the junction with the B3058.

Frogham Ferret wrote:
Insignia's are very popular company cars. Was this one of them?

What as that got do do with it?

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote:
We don't know the circumstances yet. The arrested man may or not have been speeding, he may or may have not been messing with his phone he may or may not have been distracted for some reason. One thing is for sure speed does not kill. Bad driving kills. R.I.P.

Speed does not kill???

Well i hope to god you havent got a driving licence.

Yes of course I have!!! Speed doesn't kill there are plenty of idiots who drive within the speed limit and are still unsafe at any speed!!

I hope to God you aren't one of them!!

Innapropriate speed kills, I don't see cars on the de-ristricted parts of the Autobahn exploding and crashing just because they are doing 150 mph!!!!

southampton999 wrote:

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote:
We don't know the circumstances yet. The arrested man may or not have been speeding, he may or may have not been messing with his phone he may or may not have been distracted for some reason. One thing is for sure speed does not kill. Bad driving kills. R.I.P.

Speed does not kill???

Well i hope to god you havent got a driving licence.

Yes of course I have!!! Speed doesn't kill there are plenty of idiots who drive within the speed limit and are still unsafe at any speed!!

I hope to God you aren't one of them!!

Innapropriate speed kills, I don't see cars on the de-ristricted parts of the Autobahn exploding and crashing just because they are doing 150 mph!!!!

by your own omission you have just stated that speed kills by admitted inappropriate speed kills. But I do agree, plenty of people that drive within the speed limit are just as dangerous.

southampton999 wrote:

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote: We don't know the circumstances yet. The arrested man may or not have been speeding, he may or may have not been messing with his phone he may or may not have been distracted for some reason. One thing is for sure speed does not kill. Bad driving kills. R.I.P.

Speed does not kill??? Well i hope to god you havent got a driving licence.

Yes of course I have!!! Speed doesn't kill there are plenty of idiots who drive within the speed limit and are still unsafe at any speed!! I hope to God you aren't one of them!! Innapropriate speed kills, I don't see cars on the de-ristricted parts of the Autobahn exploding and crashing just because they are doing 150 mph!!!!

Yes i Totally agree bad driving kills, however speed plays a major part in many avoidable accidents (many fatal).

A bit premature to shoot the guy, in view of the fact that he hasn't been convicted yet. I'm not surprised that these events occur, as so many drivers, having bought a car that is marketed on it's speed rather than it's mpg, think it's ok to drive at whatever speed they wish, regardless of the legal limits.

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote:

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote: We don't know the circumstances yet. The arrested man may or not have been speeding, he may or may have not been messing with his phone he may or may not have been distracted for some reason. One thing is for sure speed does not kill. Bad driving kills. R.I.P.

Speed does not kill??? Well i hope to god you havent got a driving licence.

Yes of course I have!!! Speed doesn't kill there are plenty of idiots who drive within the speed limit and are still unsafe at any speed!! I hope to God you aren't one of them!! Innapropriate speed kills, I don't see cars on the de-ristricted parts of the Autobahn exploding and crashing just because they are doing 150 mph!!!!

Yes i Totally agree bad driving kills, however speed plays a major part in many avoidable accidents (many fatal).

To be fair 7% of fatal accidents are attributable to speed.

southampton999 wrote:

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote:

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote: We don't know the circumstances yet. The arrested man may or not have been speeding, he may or may have not been messing with his phone he may or may not have been distracted for some reason. One thing is for sure speed does not kill. Bad driving kills. R.I.P.

Speed does not kill??? Well i hope to god you havent got a driving licence.

Yes of course I have!!! Speed doesn't kill there are plenty of idiots who drive within the speed limit and are still unsafe at any speed!! I hope to God you aren't one of them!! Innapropriate speed kills, I don't see cars on the de-ristricted parts of the Autobahn exploding and crashing just because they are doing 150 mph!!!!

Yes i Totally agree bad driving kills, however speed plays a major part in many avoidable accidents (many fatal).

To be fair 7% of fatal accidents are attributable to speed.

Glad we agree then, Speed does kill.

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote:

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote:

saint robbie wrote:

southampton999 wrote: We don't know the circumstances yet. The arrested man may or not have been speeding, he may or may have not been messing with his phone he may or may not have been distracted for some reason. One thing is for sure speed does not kill. Bad driving kills. R.I.P.

Speed does not kill??? Well i hope to god you havent got a driving licence.

Yes of course I have!!! Speed doesn't kill there are plenty of idiots who drive within the speed limit and are still unsafe at any speed!! I hope to God you aren't one of them!! Innapropriate speed kills, I don't see cars on the de-ristricted parts of the Autobahn exploding and crashing just because they are doing 150 mph!!!!

Yes i Totally agree bad driving kills, however speed plays a major part in many avoidable accidents (many fatal).

To be fair 7% of fatal accidents are attributable to speed.

Glad we agree then, Speed does kill.

I went fast the other day. How come I didn't die?

Speed doesn't kill. The figures don't add up. Compare the ratio of people who speed and don't die, or cause death or injury, to the number that do. It's a minute fraction. People are killed every year by all manner of things. Toilet seats, for example. I don't hear anyone going around saying "toilet seats kill."

Speed being a contributing factor in a number of accidents is one thing. It's a whole other thing to say speed causes death. It clearly doesn't, you can tell by the number of times you haven't died while going fast. "I don't go fast" you say. Well, it's all relative. I guarantee you you have travelled at speeds, at which people have been fatally injured.

Heard of the campaign 'kill your speed not a child'

If someone is hit by a car at 40 mph they are 90% likely to be killed.
If someone is hit by a car at 30 mph they are 50% likely to be killed.
If someone is hit by a car at 20 mph they are 10% likely to be killed.

What about southampton999s claim about 150kph on the autobahn, If you have a blow out traveling at this speed you are more likely to die than traveling at say 70mph where it may be more controlable. In this instance it would be the speed you were traveling at that killed you not the blow out.

saint robbie wrote:
Heard of the campaign 'kill your speed not a child'

If someone is hit by a car at 40 mph they are 90% likely to be killed.
If someone is hit by a car at 30 mph they are 50% likely to be killed.
If someone is hit by a car at 20 mph they are 10% likely to be killed.

What about southampton999s claim about 150kph on the autobahn, If you have a blow out traveling at this speed you are more likely to die than traveling at say 70mph where it may be more controlable. In this instance it would be the speed you were traveling at that killed you not the blow out.

Hi Saint Robbie, I couldn't agree more with slowing down in built up areas. My pint is that 7% of accidents are attributable to speed, the other 93% are attributable to another factor, be it inatention or simple 'bad driving skills'. The whole problem with a lot of drivers is that they feel that they have a 'god given' right to a driving licence. When quite clearly they are not up to it. You will notice that on a motorway at 2 oclock in the afternoon say you will find that drivers drive faster more safely. This is because these drivers tend to be people who drive alot and like anything in life the more you do it the better you get. Compare this to a sunday when the 'sunday drivers' are out there are slower speeds but poor lane discipline, bad driving etc causes more accidents. And on the Autobahn (at least the 30% that is not restricted) 150kph is slow, thats on 90 mph. How many people have blow outs now?? Very few as the only reasons for a blow outs are under/over inflated tyres, badly worn tyres or damaged tyres and if you get into a car with any of these then you are a danger to yourself and others and that comes under 'bad driving'! I personally think that the limit in towns should be 20mph and 100 mph on the motorway with lower limits in the wet or bad visibility. That would cut road deaths.

People should not be jumping to their own conclusions on whether this man is guilty of death by dangerous driving. I had a horrific car accident in 2006 in Christchurch and hit a cyclist. I was arrested for death by dangerous driving (which the police have to do, whilst they investigate the accident) and was found not to be at fault for the accident. Its not fair on people making judgement before the police give their verdicts. RIP to the lady who unfortunately lost her life and i know how this man must be feeling. It says with you forever whether it is your fault or not.

Speed does not kill or otherwise every astronaut would be dead now.

Verloren Hoop wrote:
Speed does not kill or otherwise every astronaut would be dead now.

Given the speed Earth is rotating at, I think we'd ALL be dead if speed kills.

southampton999 wrote:

saint robbie wrote:
Heard of the campaign 'kill your speed not a child'

If someone is hit by a car at 40 mph they are 90% likely to be killed.
If someone is hit by a car at 30 mph they are 50% likely to be killed.
If someone is hit by a car at 20 mph they are 10% likely to be killed.

What about southampton999s claim about 150kph on the autobahn, If you have a blow out traveling at this speed you are more likely to die than traveling at say 70mph where it may be more controlable. In this instance it would be the speed you were traveling at that killed you not the blow out.

Hi Saint Robbie, I couldn't agree more with slowing down in built up areas. My pint is that 7% of accidents are attributable to speed, the other 93% are attributable to another factor, be it inatention or simple 'bad driving skills'. The whole problem with a lot of drivers is that they feel that they have a 'god given' right to a driving licence. When quite clearly they are not up to it. You will notice that on a motorway at 2 oclock in the afternoon say you will find that drivers drive faster more safely. This is because these drivers tend to be people who drive alot and like anything in life the more you do it the better you get. Compare this to a sunday when the 'sunday drivers' are out there are slower speeds but poor lane discipline, bad driving etc causes more accidents. And on the Autobahn (at least the 30% that is not restricted) 150kph is slow, thats on 90 mph. How many people have blow outs now?? Very few as the only reasons for a blow outs are under/over inflated tyres, badly worn tyres or damaged tyres and if you get into a car with any of these then you are a danger to yourself and others and that comes under 'bad driving'! I personally think that the limit in towns should be 20mph and 100 mph on the motorway with lower limits in the wet or bad visibility. That would cut road deaths.

One contributer to accidents is not enough speed, when on main roads I often come accross people travelling at 30 to 35mph on a 60mph road, if safe I will over-take however I do frequently have these selfish idiots speed-up and put me in danger but because I am over-taking I am seen as the dangerous driver not them, I have often said and do travel at 20mph in built up areas but not trunk roads. My sympathies to those who knew this lady

Georgem wrote:

Verloren Hoop wrote:
Speed does not kill or otherwise every astronaut would be dead now.

Given the speed Earth is rotating at, I think we'd ALL be dead if speed kills.

What an idiotic thing to say! 17 American astronauts have died, 3 on the ground! Goodness knows how many Russians because we have never been told. As a percentage of those who've gone into space it is high as compared to those of us who have done 33, 44 or 77 mph. Speed kills where it is inappropriate. The road conditions may demand driving at 50 in a 70 mph zone. If its chucking it down with poor visibility even 50 may be too fast. And then some fool, doing 56 in a lorry rear ends you and a fire starts and 7 people die. All were under the speed limit and one was going too fast. As regards the case in hand, none of us were there. I will wait for the Coroner's jury to decide.

Folkestone Saint wrote:

southampton999 wrote:

saint robbie wrote:
Heard of the campaign 'kill your speed not a child'

If someone is hit by a car at 40 mph they are 90% likely to be killed.
If someone is hit by a car at 30 mph they are 50% likely to be killed.
If someone is hit by a car at 20 mph they are 10% likely to be killed.

What about southampton999s claim about 150kph on the autobahn, If you have a blow out traveling at this speed you are more likely to die than traveling at say 70mph where it may be more controlable. In this instance it would be the speed you were traveling at that killed you not the blow out.

Hi Saint Robbie, I couldn't agree more with slowing down in built up areas. My pint is that 7% of accidents are attributable to speed, the other 93% are attributable to another factor, be it inatention or simple 'bad driving skills'. The whole problem with a lot of drivers is that they feel that they have a 'god given' right to a driving licence. When quite clearly they are not up to it. You will notice that on a motorway at 2 oclock in the afternoon say you will find that drivers drive faster more safely. This is because these drivers tend to be people who drive alot and like anything in life the more you do it the better you get. Compare this to a sunday when the 'sunday drivers' are out there are slower speeds but poor lane discipline, bad driving etc causes more accidents. And on the Autobahn (at least the 30% that is not restricted) 150kph is slow, thats on 90 mph. How many people have blow outs now?? Very few as the only reasons for a blow outs are under/over inflated tyres, badly worn tyres or damaged tyres and if you get into a car with any of these then you are a danger to yourself and others and that comes under 'bad driving'! I personally think that the limit in towns should be 20mph and 100 mph on the motorway with lower limits in the wet or bad visibility. That would cut road deaths.

One contributer to accidents is not enough speed, when on main roads I often come accross people travelling at 30 to 35mph on a 60mph road, if safe I will over-take however I do frequently have these selfish idiots speed-up and put me in danger but because I am over-taking I am seen as the dangerous driver not them, I have often said and do travel at 20mph in built up areas but not trunk roads. My sympathies to those who knew this lady

Exactly!!

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Verloren Hoop wrote:
Speed does not kill or otherwise every astronaut would be dead now.

Given the speed Earth is rotating at, I think we'd ALL be dead if speed kills.

What an idiotic thing to say! 17 American astronauts have died, 3 on the ground! Goodness knows how many Russians because we have never been told. As a percentage of those who've gone into space it is high as compared to those of us who have done 33, 44 or 77 mph. Speed kills where it is inappropriate. The road conditions may demand driving at 50 in a 70 mph zone. If its chucking it down with poor visibility even 50 may be too fast. And then some fool, doing 56 in a lorry rear ends you and a fire starts and 7 people die. All were under the speed limit and one was going too fast. As regards the case in hand, none of us were there. I will wait for the Coroner's jury to decide.

What are you babbling about? You typed that too quickly, I nearly died.

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Verloren Hoop wrote:
Speed does not kill or otherwise every astronaut would be dead now.

Given the speed Earth is rotating at, I think we'd ALL be dead if speed kills.

What an idiotic thing to say! 17 American astronauts have died, 3 on the ground! Goodness knows how many Russians because we have never been told. As a percentage of those who've gone into space it is high as compared to those of us who have done 33, 44 or 77 mph. Speed kills where it is inappropriate. The road conditions may demand driving at 50 in a 70 mph zone. If its chucking it down with poor visibility even 50 may be too fast. And then some fool, doing 56 in a lorry rear ends you and a fire starts and 7 people die. All were under the speed limit and one was going too fast. As regards the case in hand, none of us were there. I will wait for the Coroner's jury to decide.

Folkestone Saint said:
One contributer to accidents is not enough speed

Certainly is. For the life of me, I don't understand why people try and join a motorway at 20mph, for example.