Pub damaged by suspected arson attack (From Daily Echo)

Well, here we go again, same ole same ole....

Anyone wanna build another horrible block of flats then :D

.. deja vu

Nice to see that the Veritas Veritech Alarm system worked well and gave them prior warning that someone was in the building before they could do any damage....Not!

Listed building? no problem FIRE can we build our pokey flats now?
Make the owners restore the fire damaged building as surely it was down to them to make sure this building was secure where were the security measures?
Or was this a blessing in disguise for the developers?
It's about time the planners stopped developers building what they want after a surprise,surprise FIRE which benefits their planning bid?

loosehead wrote:
Listed building? no problem FIRE can we build our pokey flats now?
Make the owners restore the fire damaged building as surely it was down to them to make sure this building was secure where were the security measures?
Or was this a blessing in disguise for the developers?
It's about time the planners stopped developers building what they want after a surprise,surprise FIRE which benefits their planning bid?

I think the city has more of a brown envelope based planning application process.

It's always been terrible here. Just look at the story the city tells through its buildings.

New Polska residential spot me thinks......

I don't wish to interfere with a good story but I have just driven past there and it is still there, looking just as tired and shabby as it ever did. Are you sure you have the right pub?

@loosehead - if that is a listed building, my arse is a banjo.

Smart Bomb wrote:
I don't wish to interfere with a good story but I have just driven past there and it is still there, looking just as tired and shabby as it ever did. Are you sure you have the right pub?

@loosehead - if that is a listed building, my arse is a banjo.

@loosehead - if that is a listed building, my arse is a banjo.
I'll get my guitar!

The pub closed about a year ago and Orchard Homes who now own it have just left it to rot . The fire service should send the bill to Orchard Homes.

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LOL, perhaps it is Listed elsewhere, eh?

Orchard homes own the building? They'll be flats in no time. Convienient, eh?

I think the many cynics are being a bit unfair on Orchard Homes when the said company is building 96 affordable homes only 500 metres away in Shirley Road!

shirley-bill wrote:
The pub closed about a year ago and Orchard Homes who now own it have just left it to rot . The fire service should send the bill to Orchard Homes.

The pub closed more than a year ago, more like 3 years. Its an eyesore at the moment. My guess is it'll be turned into a Tesco Express same as the Woodman or a Co Op same as the Anchor and hope, external building stays the same, just interior revamped!!

George4th wrote:
I think the many cynics are being a bit unfair on Orchard Homes when the said company is building 96 affordable homes only 500 metres away in Shirley Road!

Bully for them. The day a developer builds out of the goodness of his heart ILL eat my hat.
Developers have been the demise of our country.
AFFORDABLE FOR WHO???
ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS????
NOT NATIVES !!!!!!!

An arsonist ... or a developer?!!

"Smoke was seen drifting across Shirley High Street in the early hours."

Crikey did it drift invisibly up Shirley Rd before settling nearly half a mile away to cross?

bazzeroz wrote:

Smart Bomb wrote:
I don't wish to interfere with a good story but I have just driven past there and it is still there, looking just as tired and shabby as it ever did. Are you sure you have the right pub?

@loosehead - if that is a listed building, my arse is a banjo.

@loosehead - if that is a listed building, my arse is a banjo.
I'll get my guitar!

Need a drummer chaps?

flatulence hero wrote:

bazzeroz wrote:

Smart Bomb wrote:
I don't wish to interfere with a good story but I have just driven past there and it is still there, looking just as tired and shabby as it ever did. Are you sure you have the right pub?

@loosehead - if that is a listed building, my arse is a banjo.

@loosehead - if that is a listed building, my arse is a banjo.
I'll get my guitar!

Need a drummer chaps?

Count me in, I blow a mean trumpet!

"They had to use specialist cutting equipment to get into the boarded-up pub."

So the Arsonist must of got in got past the veritech alarm then reboarded it up behind himself.

Hmm Sounds very much like an inside job to me.

There will definately be a block of flats going up there now.

voicein the croud wrote:

George4th wrote: I think the many cynics are being a bit unfair on Orchard Homes when the said company is building 96 affordable homes only 500 metres away in Shirley Road!

Bully for them. The day a developer builds out of the goodness of his heart ILL eat my hat. Developers have been the demise of our country. AFFORDABLE FOR WHO??? ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS???? NOT NATIVES !!!!!!!

1) If you are an Illegal Imigrant then you can't buy a flat.

2) Natives? Not many Old Britons round here. The Roman came nearly 2000 years ago, then the Saxon, Normans etc.

Pubs are closing because its cheaper to drink at home and people need homes.

That said this spate of pub based arson is getting an issue.

Raise tax on supermarket alcohol & lower tax in pubs & get the older responsible drinkers back into the pubs & maybe not so many will shut.
Do any of you remember the Silhouette night club in St Michael's square?
night club shuts owner wanted to convert it.listed building status so he can't next thing there's a fire?
I wonder when the pub at the bottom of Romsey rd ,Winchester rd goes the same way?

sarfhamton wrote:

voicein the croud wrote:

George4th wrote: I think the many cynics are being a bit unfair on Orchard Homes when the said company is building 96 affordable homes only 500 metres away in Shirley Road!

Bully for them. The day a developer builds out of the goodness of his heart ILL eat my hat. Developers have been the demise of our country. AFFORDABLE FOR WHO??? ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS???? NOT NATIVES !!!!!!!

1) If you are an Illegal Imigrant then you can't buy a flat.

2) Natives? Not many Old Britons round here. The Roman came nearly 2000 years ago, then the Saxon, Normans etc.

Pubs are closing because its cheaper to drink at home and people need homes.

That said this spate of pub based arson is getting an issue.

I know of a lady who was allowed the right to reside as she was married to a Brit.they divorced she got a mortgage buys a flat marry's some one from her own country living here as a student now he's a British Citizen?not bad for an illegal.

loosehead wrote:

sarfhamton wrote:

voicein the croud wrote:

George4th wrote: I think the many cynics are being a bit unfair on Orchard Homes when the said company is building 96 affordable homes only 500 metres away in Shirley Road!

Bully for them. The day a developer builds out of the goodness of his heart ILL eat my hat. Developers have been the demise of our country. AFFORDABLE FOR WHO??? ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS???? NOT NATIVES !!!!!!!

1) If you are an Illegal Imigrant then you can't buy a flat. 2) Natives? Not many Old Britons round here. The Roman came nearly 2000 years ago, then the Saxon, Normans etc. Pubs are closing because its cheaper to drink at home and people need homes. That said this spate of pub based arson is getting an issue.

I know of a lady who was allowed the right to reside as she was married to a Brit.they divorced she got a mortgage buys a flat marry's some one from her own country living here as a student now he's a British Citizen?not bad for an illegal.

Then thats not illegal then is it?

sarfhamton wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sarfhamton wrote:

voicein the croud wrote:

George4th wrote: I think the many cynics are being a bit unfair on Orchard Homes when the said company is building 96 affordable homes only 500 metres away in Shirley Road!

Bully for them. The day a developer builds out of the goodness of his heart ILL eat my hat. Developers have been the demise of our country. AFFORDABLE FOR WHO??? ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS???? NOT NATIVES !!!!!!!

1) If you are an Illegal Imigrant then you can't buy a flat. 2) Natives? Not many Old Britons round here. The Roman came nearly 2000 years ago, then the Saxon, Normans etc. Pubs are closing because its cheaper to drink at home and people need homes. That said this spate of pub based arson is getting an issue.

I know of a lady who was allowed the right to reside as she was married to a Brit.they divorced she got a mortgage buys a flat marry's some one from her own country living here as a student now he's a British Citizen?not bad for an illegal.

Then thats not illegal then is it?

He was an illegal but under Labour they allowed an amnesty so he some how was no longer an illegal?
Thailand his country would have either imprisoned us or evicted us from their country.
long stay tourists never becoming citizens being able to have your visa being rejected at any time no matter the fact you've married a Thai & have children born in Thailand.

OH DO HURRY UP ABDUL GOT 40 IN THERE!

Tony Blair changed the rules as he thought immigrants granted UK citizenship would likely vote labour.
FACT.

Redondo Saint wrote:
Tony Blair changed the rules as he thought immigrants granted UK citizenship would likely vote labour.
FACT.

When you say fact, this means you can back it up with documentary evidence. Link please.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Redondo Saint wrote:
Tony Blair changed the rules as he thought immigrants granted UK citizenship would likely vote labour.
FACT.

When you say fact, this means you can back it up with documentary evidence. Link please.

Do the research yourself. It's out there.

Redondo Saint wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Redondo Saint wrote:
Tony Blair changed the rules as he thought immigrants granted UK citizenship would likely vote labour.
FACT.

When you say fact, this means you can back it up with documentary evidence. Link please.

Do the research yourself. It's out there.

You sound like Southy lol x

These property developing companies with absolutely no interest in running pubs must be terrible businessmen but very lucky businessmen.
They buy a local listed pub as a going concern...overnight the business suddenly becomes 'Nonviable' as the landlords are extorted out and then the boards go up on the place for a year or two.
Seems every business they touch fails....fortunately they still manage to make make a lot of cash.
It would appear that they are such hapless businessmen that I know of one historic local pub that lost its health and safety licence after the new property development company that took over wouldn't shell out 150 quid for a new window...despite months of leniency and time from the council. Of course you cant have the public in without the proper licencing. It was a listed building and with many generations of the local community using it. Now its boarded up and planning permission has been granted.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Redondo Saint wrote:
Tony Blair changed the rules as he thought immigrants granted UK citizenship would likely vote labour.
FACT.

When you say fact, this means you can back it up with documentary evidence. Link please.

Did you hear Ed Millibands confession on Labours Immigration policies?

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Redondo Saint wrote:
Tony Blair changed the rules as he thought immigrants granted UK citizenship would likely vote labour.
FACT.

When you say fact, this means you can back it up with documentary evidence. Link please.

Did you hear Ed Millibands confession on Labours Immigration policies?

I don't pay any attention to Millie, what he says goes in one ear and out the other.

He doesn't know his ar*e from his elbow.

seany1966 wrote:
New Polska residential spot me thinks......

lol very good

Why do all the racists use every story to have a go at people who have chosen Southampton to make their home.

As a settlers in a port city they are following a proud lineage going back to the Romans.

Get over it.

sarfhamton wrote:
Why do all the racists use every story to have a go at people who have chosen Southampton to make their home.

As a settlers in a port city they are following a proud lineage going back to the Romans.

Get over it.

Why do people like you automatically label people racists?
We have 3million+ Eastern Europeans we have God knows how many Africans legal or illegal in this country plus many many from elsewhere.
No other country in this world would accept this level of immigration do you brand all of them Racist?
Thailand loves you money but you have no rights & your only tolerated as a long stay tourist.
To ask for a level playing field doesn't automatically make you a Racist.
I remember a woman saying she only went out with Black men I refused to serve her as she was a racist she said no I'm not I go out with blackmen?
I said your going by the colour of the persons skin not by the person themselves that makes you colour prejudiced.she couldn't get it through her head that's the meaning of racism.
Not being proud of your country.not saying enough's enough stop immigration now.
let's get our jobless figures down to as near to zero as possible & then & only then will we consider more immigrants.
Please don't tell me people from Zimbabwe are justifiable refugee/asylum seekers as I know what the law on asylum states & it's not coming thousands of miles across safe countries to a cash cow called Britain

loosehead wrote:

sarfhamton wrote:
Why do all the racists use every story to have a go at people who have chosen Southampton to make their home.

As a settlers in a port city they are following a proud lineage going back to the Romans.

Get over it.

Why do people like you automatically label people racists?
We have 3million+ Eastern Europeans we have God knows how many Africans legal or illegal in this country plus many many from elsewhere.
No other country in this world would accept this level of immigration do you brand all of them Racist?
Thailand loves you money but you have no rights & your only tolerated as a long stay tourist.
To ask for a level playing field doesn't automatically make you a Racist.
I remember a woman saying she only went out with Black men I refused to serve her as she was a racist she said no I'm not I go out with blackmen?
I said your going by the colour of the persons skin not by the person themselves that makes you colour prejudiced.she couldn't get it through her head that's the meaning of racism.
Not being proud of your country.not saying enough's enough stop immigration now.
let's get our jobless figures down to as near to zero as possible & then & only then will we consider more immigrants.
Please don't tell me people from Zimbabwe are justifiable refugee/asylum seekers as I know what the law on asylum states & it's not coming thousands of miles across safe countries to a cash cow called Britain

what I am saying is that using every story on this site to talk about immigration makes me think that there is a racial motive.

I also trying to say how can we take a position on immigration when non of us are purely British.

This story is about a Pub burning down, one of dozens in the last few years. I think the comments about Polish people and illegal immigrants are not relevant here.

sarfhamton wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sarfhamton wrote:
Why do all the racists use every story to have a go at people who have chosen Southampton to make their home.

As a settlers in a port city they are following a proud lineage going back to the Romans.

Get over it.

Why do people like you automatically label people racists?
We have 3million+ Eastern Europeans we have God knows how many Africans legal or illegal in this country plus many many from elsewhere.
No other country in this world would accept this level of immigration do you brand all of them Racist?
Thailand loves you money but you have no rights & your only tolerated as a long stay tourist.
To ask for a level playing field doesn't automatically make you a Racist.
I remember a woman saying she only went out with Black men I refused to serve her as she was a racist she said no I'm not I go out with blackmen?
I said your going by the colour of the persons skin not by the person themselves that makes you colour prejudiced.she couldn't get it through her head that's the meaning of racism.
Not being proud of your country.not saying enough's enough stop immigration now.
let's get our jobless figures down to as near to zero as possible & then & only then will we consider more immigrants.
Please don't tell me people from Zimbabwe are justifiable refugee/asylum seekers as I know what the law on asylum states & it's not coming thousands of miles across safe countries to a cash cow called Britain

what I am saying is that using every story on this site to talk about immigration makes me think that there is a racial motive.

I also trying to say how can we take a position on immigration when non of us are purely British.

This story is about a Pub burning down, one of dozens in the last few years. I think the comments about Polish people and illegal immigrants are not relevant here.

Personally I never started the Polish workers housing theme.
I said in my earlier posts this sounds so familiar to other Pubs & listed buildings that something should be done.
Pub gets shut a year later listed status oh! a fire takes place. A pub developers want to bulldoze & put up flats no planning permission is given oh! a fire takes place.
A pub or listed building a developer wants to turn into flats & again no planning permission is given so once again a mystery arsonist breaks in with no visible break in point & sets a fire.
Police & Fire Brigade can't get in unless they remove some of the so called security measures ( the arsonist did somehow?) an alarm didn't go off & it's not suspect?
This was the guist of my original post