Southampton City Council leaders branded 'dishonest' over job loss plans

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Southampton City Council bosses have come under fire over plans to axe jobs just two months after coming to power.

The Tories have accused Labour leaders of being “dishonest” and duping voters by breaking their manifesto promise of protecting staff.

The council has tonight revealed a mini-budget, detailing the scale of the job losses.

Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.

"Today’s proposals start that process and allow us to make some savings in the current financial year.

"These will also help reduce the savings required for next year’s budget.

“We are committed to working with our staff in this challenging context and will pilot a new redeployment model that aims to keep people in work, retraining where possible and seeking to avoid major redundancy costs.

“As difficult as things are, it is vital that we also ensure we are spending appropriately on the important things.

"By allocating some modest amounts on really important issues like community safety and support for small businesses and job-seekers we are confident we can start to make a big difference in areas that matter to Southampton residents.”

Overall the interim budget will see 20 full time jobs under threat as part of a raft of cuts aimed at saving the authority £800,000.

This including closing the Oaklands Swimming Pool in Lordshill.

The proposals also include hikes in adult disablity care charges, ditching the free council magazine and reviewing reception duties and the senior town management role.

But Conservative opposition leader Royston Smith believes Labour have gone back on their promise to protect jobs, something which his council knew was “impossible” on top of reversing pay cuts, which Labour have vowed to do in April.

He said: “We were honest, they have been dishonest.

“They said they would give staff their pay back at the same time as protecting them from redundancy but that was an impossible promise to make and it was really unfair promise to make to people when some people know that it could not be delivered.”

“All the things they promised are just not true. Staff have been through a really difficult time with us but we were always honest with them.

“Labour has duped the staff who had believed them.”

Using a model first implemented in Sunderland, the council will continue to pay the staff who lose their jobs for eight months under a redeployment scheme.

The hope is they will be able to find a new job within the council as they become available due to natural wastage such as retirement.

This will prevent the authority having to pay out redundancy packages to affected workers.

Overall, it is hoped the interim budget will save the authority £2.8m.

In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.

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12:23pm Mon 2 Jul 12

bigfella777 says...

Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs. bigfella777
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12:26pm Mon 2 Jul 12

tootle says...

Surely nobody actually believed the promises made.
Surely nobody actually believed the promises made. tootle
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12:27pm Mon 2 Jul 12

peenut81 says...

Its possible that this article could be a little more bias, perhaps the photo could be off a Labour politician kicking a puppy in case the message wasn't clear enough.
Its possible that this article could be a little more bias, perhaps the photo could be off a Labour politician kicking a puppy in case the message wasn't clear enough. peenut81
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12:44pm Mon 2 Jul 12

billyboybob says...

They lie go get to power and then backtrack. If i did that at a job iinterview about my skills and so on...... I would get the sack !
They lie go get to power and then backtrack. If i did that at a job iinterview about my skills and so on...... I would get the sack ! billyboybob
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12:48pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

I am just wondering that despite "new" Councillors, the budget department are probably the same personal with the same problems, doesn't matter how big the pre-election promises, the duly elected probably have little control of the finances themselves?
I am just wondering that despite "new" Councillors, the budget department are probably the same personal with the same problems, doesn't matter how big the pre-election promises, the duly elected probably have little control of the finances themselves? OSPREYSAINT
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12:49pm Mon 2 Jul 12

andysaints007 says...

peenut81 wrote:
Its possible that this article could be a little more bias, perhaps the photo could be off a Labour politician kicking a puppy in case the message wasn't clear enough.
'Biased' - DOH it's FACT !!!! Open your eyes
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Its possible that this article could be a little more bias, perhaps the photo could be off a Labour politician kicking a puppy in case the message wasn't clear enough.[/p][/quote]'Biased' - DOH it's FACT !!!! Open your eyes andysaints007
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12:51pm Mon 2 Jul 12

aldermoorboy says...

Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public.
Labour won and the public lost.
Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election. aldermoorboy
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1:07pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Yeh, that's usually what I hear from people who can't be bothered to look.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Yeh, that's usually what I hear from people who can't be bothered to look. Shoong
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1:08pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

peenut81 wrote:
Its possible that this article could be a little more bias, perhaps the photo could be off a Labour politician kicking a puppy in case the message wasn't clear enough.
Hit a nerve then, did you vote for these clowns? Or abstained from voting (which is worse in my book) ?
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Its possible that this article could be a little more bias, perhaps the photo could be off a Labour politician kicking a puppy in case the message wasn't clear enough.[/p][/quote]Hit a nerve then, did you vote for these clowns? Or abstained from voting (which is worse in my book) ? Shoong
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1:14pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs. southy
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1:16pm Mon 2 Jul 12

thinklikealocal says...

Royston Smith states:

"They said they would give staff their pay back at the same time as protecting them from redundancy"

This is what the manifesto stated:

"We will do all we can to stop council job losses, instead choosing to retain and retrain staff, saving thousands in redundancy payments."

Now, I only have an O-Level in English (although the Tories do seem to hold O-levels in very high esteem), but, from where I'm sitting, Labour never said they would 'protect' staff from redundancy, they said they would 'do all they could' by intriducing an extended redeploymeny scheme. All staff knew there would be more redundancies, colleagues in Hampshire report that they are likely to have many more redundancies as well in the coming 18 months. If Richard Williams is a liar, then Royston Smith is a bigger on. He said staff had heir pay cut because to protect jobs but the fact it it paid for a Council Tax rebate for better of pensioners and weekly bin collections and hundreds lost their jobs anyway! FACT!
Royston Smith states: "They said they would give staff their pay back at the same time as protecting them from redundancy" This is what the manifesto stated: "We will do all we can to stop council job losses, instead choosing to retain and retrain staff, saving thousands in redundancy payments." Now, I only have an O-Level in English (although the Tories do seem to hold O-levels in very high esteem), but, from where I'm sitting, Labour never said they would 'protect' staff from redundancy, they said they would 'do all they could' by intriducing an extended redeploymeny scheme. All staff knew there would be more redundancies, colleagues in Hampshire report that they are likely to have many more redundancies as well in the coming 18 months. If Richard Williams is a liar, then Royston Smith is a bigger on. He said staff had heir pay cut because to protect jobs but the fact it it paid for a Council Tax rebate for better of pensioners and weekly bin collections and hundreds lost their jobs anyway! FACT! thinklikealocal
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1:20pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public.
Labour won and the public lost.
Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
The working class will never get a fair deal from any type of Capitalism, Capitalism is for the few, Its Socialism that is the Working Class Economics and Political Policy.
Labour is just as bad as the Tory-Con Party, they don't have the workers intrest at heart. They will both lie and both have done even Royston was giving a misleading campaign and not telling the truth.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]The working class will never get a fair deal from any type of Capitalism, Capitalism is for the few, Its Socialism that is the Working Class Economics and Political Policy. Labour is just as bad as the Tory-Con Party, they don't have the workers intrest at heart. They will both lie and both have done even Royston was giving a misleading campaign and not telling the truth. southy
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1:22pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
Perhaps you can enlighten us when Unite plans to strike and march upon the Council HQ showing their disgust as these job cuts.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can enlighten us when Unite plans to strike and march upon the Council HQ showing their disgust as these job cuts. Shoong
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1:32pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I am just wondering that despite "new" Councillors, the budget department are probably the same personal with the same problems, doesn't matter how big the pre-election promises, the duly elected probably have little control of the finances themselves?
The biggest worry was the three main Unions, Unite, Unison and GMB, The local Union exc sold the Capitalist Labour Party to its Union members to support Labour.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I am just wondering that despite "new" Councillors, the budget department are probably the same personal with the same problems, doesn't matter how big the pre-election promises, the duly elected probably have little control of the finances themselves?[/p][/quote]The biggest worry was the three main Unions, Unite, Unison and GMB, The local Union exc sold the Capitalist Labour Party to its Union members to support Labour. southy
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1:35pm Mon 2 Jul 12

peenut81 says...

@andysaints, your comments over the last few months make me realise you are barely worth engaging with on the subject of politics, there are no 'facts' in this article merely political spin and bickering. The problems this country (and planet) face are systemic, our politicians are merely trying to ease the pain inflicted by the necessities of Capitalism. @Shoong you are great at making assumptions yet rarely submit anything of any use on these forums. What is the point of you? My nerve was hit because this article has not even bothered to publish the Labour response (which according to the journalist when i contacted her directly was 'no comment')which it should be doing in the interests of balance and fairness. The fact that i don't believe a word either party or their members does not stop me from disapproving of an article that might as well have been written by Royston himself for all the use it does in INFORMING readers and allowing them to make their own judgement.
@andysaints, your comments over the last few months make me realise you are barely worth engaging with on the subject of politics, there are no 'facts' in this article merely political spin and bickering. The problems this country (and planet) face are systemic, our politicians are merely trying to ease the pain inflicted by the necessities of Capitalism. @Shoong you are great at making assumptions yet rarely submit anything of any use on these forums. What is the point of you? My nerve was hit because this article has not even bothered to publish the Labour response (which according to the journalist when i contacted her directly was 'no comment')which it should be doing in the interests of balance and fairness. The fact that i don't believe a word either party or their members does not stop me from disapproving of an article that might as well have been written by Royston himself for all the use it does in INFORMING readers and allowing them to make their own judgement. peenut81
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1:37pm Mon 2 Jul 12

bigfella777 says...

Shoong wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Yeh, that's usually what I hear from people who can't be bothered to look.
I have been doing this sort of job for the last year after being made reduntant, what I mean is I have tried to find something better in that time but have only managed to get one actual interview,if I was actually unemployed I would feel hopeless.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Yeh, that's usually what I hear from people who can't be bothered to look.[/p][/quote]I have been doing this sort of job for the last year after being made reduntant, what I mean is I have tried to find something better in that time but have only managed to get one actual interview,if I was actually unemployed I would feel hopeless. bigfella777
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1:37pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
Perhaps you can enlighten us when Unite plans to strike and march upon the Council HQ showing their disgust as these job cuts.
I was wondering that my self, but the Union Exc is backing the Labour Party, so this will be need to be controlled with the NSSN and avising the union members.
There is how ever a big Demo and Rally in London in Oct, a lot more are expected to turn up this time than the last one, when about 1 million people turned up in London.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can enlighten us when Unite plans to strike and march upon the Council HQ showing their disgust as these job cuts.[/p][/quote]I was wondering that my self, but the Union Exc is backing the Labour Party, so this will be need to be controlled with the NSSN and avising the union members. There is how ever a big Demo and Rally in London in Oct, a lot more are expected to turn up this time than the last one, when about 1 million people turned up in London. southy
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1:38pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Condor Man says...

Unison and Unite MUST strike because if they don't they are just Labour stooges and hypocrites.
Unison and Unite MUST strike because if they don't they are just Labour stooges and hypocrites. Condor Man
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1:49pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
Perhaps you can enlighten us when Unite plans to strike and march upon the Council HQ showing their disgust as these job cuts.
I was wondering that my self, but the Union Exc is backing the Labour Party, so this will be need to be controlled with the NSSN and avising the union members.
There is how ever a big Demo and Rally in London in Oct, a lot more are expected to turn up this time than the last one, when about 1 million people turned up in London.
I'm not talking about London or October, I'm talking about Southampton.

If I was a union member, I think I'd be feeling pretty conned at the moment.

A strange thing that, a monthly deduction from your wages to be conned. It's a mad mad mad world I guess.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can enlighten us when Unite plans to strike and march upon the Council HQ showing their disgust as these job cuts.[/p][/quote]I was wondering that my self, but the Union Exc is backing the Labour Party, so this will be need to be controlled with the NSSN and avising the union members. There is how ever a big Demo and Rally in London in Oct, a lot more are expected to turn up this time than the last one, when about 1 million people turned up in London.[/p][/quote]I'm not talking about London or October, I'm talking about Southampton. If I was a union member, I think I'd be feeling pretty conned at the moment. A strange thing that, a monthly deduction from your wages to be conned. It's a mad mad mad world I guess. Shoong
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1:51pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Condor Man wrote:
Unison and Unite MUST strike because if they don't they are just Labour stooges and hypocrites.
CM, I hope so too, it be could be nice if you also support that struggle. Will you?
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Unison and Unite MUST strike because if they don't they are just Labour stooges and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]CM, I hope so too, it be could be nice if you also support that struggle. Will you? Paramjit Bahia
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1:58pm Mon 2 Jul 12

jimbobbo says...

southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down. jimbobbo
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1:59pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Maine Lobster says...

Condor Man wrote:
Unison and Unite MUST strike because if they don't they are just Labour stooges and hypocrites.
Weren't you one of the main critics of the strikers last year and now you are demanding further strikes. Who is the hypocrite?
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Unison and Unite MUST strike because if they don't they are just Labour stooges and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Weren't you one of the main critics of the strikers last year and now you are demanding further strikes. Who is the hypocrite? Maine Lobster
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2:02pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought.

Congrats btw.
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.[/p][/quote]Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought. Congrats btw. Shoong
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2:05pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
Perhaps you can enlighten us when Unite plans to strike and march upon the Council HQ showing their disgust as these job cuts.
I was wondering that my self, but the Union Exc is backing the Labour Party, so this will be need to be controlled with the NSSN and avising the union members.
There is how ever a big Demo and Rally in London in Oct, a lot more are expected to turn up this time than the last one, when about 1 million people turned up in London.
I'm not talking about London or October, I'm talking about Southampton.

If I was a union member, I think I'd be feeling pretty conned at the moment.

A strange thing that, a monthly deduction from your wages to be conned. It's a mad mad mad world I guess.
When this happens in London which is the next book pre-event, some thing will be going on in other citys at the same time like it did at the last one in London.
But this is what i think you will find that will happen in southampton, nothing will be done in the way of losing more jobs in the form of cuts, well not this year any way. It will come next year when williams will know how many jobs will be needed to be cut.
Just think back to what Williams said and he never came back on what he said in a retraction of statment, only his side kicks did with quotes like Williams was mis-quoted.
Williams job loses was going to be about 100 less than the Tory job losses over the next 2 years, the only real difference is how they will delivery these jobs losses.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can enlighten us when Unite plans to strike and march upon the Council HQ showing their disgust as these job cuts.[/p][/quote]I was wondering that my self, but the Union Exc is backing the Labour Party, so this will be need to be controlled with the NSSN and avising the union members. There is how ever a big Demo and Rally in London in Oct, a lot more are expected to turn up this time than the last one, when about 1 million people turned up in London.[/p][/quote]I'm not talking about London or October, I'm talking about Southampton. If I was a union member, I think I'd be feeling pretty conned at the moment. A strange thing that, a monthly deduction from your wages to be conned. It's a mad mad mad world I guess.[/p][/quote]When this happens in London which is the next book pre-event, some thing will be going on in other citys at the same time like it did at the last one in London. But this is what i think you will find that will happen in southampton, nothing will be done in the way of losing more jobs in the form of cuts, well not this year any way. It will come next year when williams will know how many jobs will be needed to be cut. Just think back to what Williams said and he never came back on what he said in a retraction of statment, only his side kicks did with quotes like Williams was mis-quoted. Williams job loses was going to be about 100 less than the Tory job losses over the next 2 years, the only real difference is how they will delivery these jobs losses. southy
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2:06pm Mon 2 Jul 12

jimbobbo says...

Shoong wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought.

Congrats btw.
Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.[/p][/quote]Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought. Congrats btw.[/p][/quote]Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy! jimbobbo
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2:12pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought.

Congrats btw.
That is total BS there are 123,797
live jobs across 42 specialist sites,not just in the UK but all round the world. and a lot of these jobs are advertise on most of the 42 specialist web sites.
Even around the world more people are being made unemployed than there is jobs being created.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.[/p][/quote]Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought. Congrats btw.[/p][/quote]That is total BS there are 123,797 live jobs across 42 specialist sites,not just in the UK but all round the world. and a lot of these jobs are advertise on most of the 42 specialist web sites. Even around the world more people are being made unemployed than there is jobs being created. southy
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2:20pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

jimbobbo wrote:
Shoong wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought.

Congrats btw.
Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy!
Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world.
Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria.
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.[/p][/quote]Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought. Congrats btw.[/p][/quote]Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy![/p][/quote]Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world. Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria. southy
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2:21pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Condor Man says...

Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.
Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red. Condor Man
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2:25pm Mon 2 Jul 12

ohec says...

Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.
Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses. ohec
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2:25pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

Condor Man wrote:
Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.
Not Red Condor but Blue, the same Blue as the Torys.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.[/p][/quote]Not Red Condor but Blue, the same Blue as the Torys. southy
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2:32pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Daft Kerplunk says...

Simple fact is, job cuts are needed to be made, especially when successful councils have done very little to raise the city's strength in financial, cultural and attitudinal terms. Unite, Unison and all the others knew this but it's easier to support this sort of measure under Labour and convince their members its okay this way as Labour is in their pockets and they are obliged to support them regardless of the argument, and then everyone who is Labour follows along blindly. Just as conservative voters support a conservative position regardless of the merits of it. It's all tribal and I hope that labour supporters challenge the council they elected on the back of the 'no cuts' message as even if this wasn't stated, it was certainly the positioning.

If, and it is a big IF, the unions are truly upset with job cuts and they people they 'represent', they'll be out in their numbers calling for this to be stopped. If not, then their opposition to Conservative job cuts was purely political and not grounded in any fairness to the people argument.

No-one comes out well of this but we're in a hole as a country and if politics are always used to justify a position when pure and simply, something needs to be done to stop the rot, then we'll continue to fall.

Better to work together and see the reality than keep bickering or just being a loud voice of opposition when you know the situation is not easy to solve!

Conservatives, Labour, LibDem etc. all the time you're arguing with each over whose fault it is, real people are losing out and you're not taking the problems and opportunities for change seriously.
Simple fact is, job cuts are needed to be made, especially when successful councils have done very little to raise the city's strength in financial, cultural and attitudinal terms. Unite, Unison and all the others knew this but it's easier to support this sort of measure under Labour and convince their members its okay this way as Labour is in their pockets and they are obliged to support them regardless of the argument, and then everyone who is Labour follows along blindly. Just as conservative voters support a conservative position regardless of the merits of it. It's all tribal and I hope that labour supporters challenge the council they elected on the back of the 'no cuts' message as even if this wasn't stated, it was certainly the positioning. If, and it is a big IF, the unions are truly upset with job cuts and they people they 'represent', they'll be out in their numbers calling for this to be stopped. If not, then their opposition to Conservative job cuts was purely political and not grounded in any fairness to the people argument. No-one comes out well of this but we're in a hole as a country and if politics are always used to justify a position when pure and simply, something needs to be done to stop the rot, then we'll continue to fall. Better to work together and see the reality than keep bickering or just being a loud voice of opposition when you know the situation is not easy to solve! Conservatives, Labour, LibDem etc. all the time you're arguing with each over whose fault it is, real people are losing out and you're not taking the problems and opportunities for change seriously. Daft Kerplunk
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2:33pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
Shoong wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought.

Congrats btw.
Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy!
Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world.
Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria.
Your saying he's a dreamer. Did dreams secure a new job for him?

He got of his backside, didn't whinge about how nasty the government is, got on with helping himself instead of just jumping on the dole queue. He's right, your attitude clearly stinks.

Your a Realist and not a Dreamer?

Whooo-hoo, loving that!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.[/p][/quote]Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought. Congrats btw.[/p][/quote]Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy![/p][/quote]Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world. Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]Your saying he's a dreamer. Did dreams secure a new job for him? He got of his backside, didn't whinge about how nasty the government is, got on with helping himself instead of just jumping on the dole queue. He's right, your attitude clearly stinks. Your a Realist and not a Dreamer? Whooo-hoo, loving that! Shoong
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2:35pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Condor Man wrote:
Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.
Did you mean NuLabour pink painted upon true Tory blue by fake socialists like Tucker, who were the cheer leaders of Williams before the election?
You should also come off the fence and tell the truth if your support for trade unions is real or because now it will suit your Conservative cause.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.[/p][/quote]Did you mean NuLabour pink painted upon true Tory blue by fake socialists like Tucker, who were the cheer leaders of Williams before the election? You should also come off the fence and tell the truth if your support for trade unions is real or because now it will suit your Conservative cause. Paramjit Bahia
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2:39pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

Are you 'misleading' us into thinking you are truly stupid?

He's trying to point out the hypocrisy and political agenda that has clearly been going on.

But you know that.
Are you 'misleading' us into thinking you are truly stupid? He's trying to point out the hypocrisy and political agenda that has clearly been going on. But you know that. Shoong
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2:39pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

ohec wrote:
Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.
The problem reducing their expenditure will result in a bigger expenditure and a deeper slump in the Economy.
What any true Capitalist will not tell you is what will be the cost when people lose there jobs and become unemployed. like how much will be lost in Council Tax revenue because people that are unemployed or can not make ends meet will put in for a Council Tax reduction, and then there will be claims for Housing Benefit also, and there will be unemployment benefits that will need to be paid out.
And on top of that there will be lost of orders or a reduction of orders to the suppliers, so the suppliers will need to start cutting back also more job loses, and also will happen is people spending less in the economy and not like the way they normally do, so that means more cuts being made else where and more job losses. its a cycle once started will not stop till some one is brave enough to say enough is enough or a total collapse in the economy and there is nothing left to cut back on.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.[/p][/quote]The problem reducing their expenditure will result in a bigger expenditure and a deeper slump in the Economy. What any true Capitalist will not tell you is what will be the cost when people lose there jobs and become unemployed. like how much will be lost in Council Tax revenue because people that are unemployed or can not make ends meet will put in for a Council Tax reduction, and then there will be claims for Housing Benefit also, and there will be unemployment benefits that will need to be paid out. And on top of that there will be lost of orders or a reduction of orders to the suppliers, so the suppliers will need to start cutting back also more job loses, and also will happen is people spending less in the economy and not like the way they normally do, so that means more cuts being made else where and more job losses. its a cycle once started will not stop till some one is brave enough to say enough is enough or a total collapse in the economy and there is nothing left to cut back on. southy
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2:43pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.
Did you mean NuLabour pink painted upon true Tory blue by fake socialists like Tucker, who were the cheer leaders of Williams before the election?
You should also come off the fence and tell the truth if your support for trade unions is real or because now it will suit your Conservative cause.
'You should also come off the fence and tell the truth if your support for trade unions is real or because now it will suit your Conservative cause.'

What? You mean like some secret but really flippin' obvious political agenda.

Now where would he get that idea from..?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.[/p][/quote]Did you mean NuLabour pink painted upon true Tory blue by fake socialists like Tucker, who were the cheer leaders of Williams before the election? You should also come off the fence and tell the truth if your support for trade unions is real or because now it will suit your Conservative cause.[/p][/quote]'You should also come off the fence and tell the truth if your support for trade unions is real or because now it will suit your Conservative cause.' What? You mean like some secret but really flippin' obvious political agenda. Now where would he get that idea from..? Shoong
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2:45pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
Shoong wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought.

Congrats btw.
Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy!
Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world.
Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria.
Your saying he's a dreamer. Did dreams secure a new job for him?

He got of his backside, didn't whinge about how nasty the government is, got on with helping himself instead of just jumping on the dole queue. He's right, your attitude clearly stinks.

Your a Realist and not a Dreamer?

Whooo-hoo, loving that!
he got lucky thats all, he just said the right things at the right time nothing more, but do he know how many more people went for the same job that he got, more likey 1000's went for that same job, more so if he found the job on a web site, because that job would of been seen internationally and not local.
But the fact still remains i am a Realist, and the fact remains that there are less than 50,000 jobs advertise for the Uk market only in a year.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.[/p][/quote]Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought. Congrats btw.[/p][/quote]Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy![/p][/quote]Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world. Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]Your saying he's a dreamer. Did dreams secure a new job for him? He got of his backside, didn't whinge about how nasty the government is, got on with helping himself instead of just jumping on the dole queue. He's right, your attitude clearly stinks. Your a Realist and not a Dreamer? Whooo-hoo, loving that![/p][/quote]he got lucky thats all, he just said the right things at the right time nothing more, but do he know how many more people went for the same job that he got, more likey 1000's went for that same job, more so if he found the job on a web site, because that job would of been seen internationally and not local. But the fact still remains i am a Realist, and the fact remains that there are less than 50,000 jobs advertise for the Uk market only in a year. southy
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2:49pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you. southy
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2:51pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
Shoong wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought.

Congrats btw.
Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy!
Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world.
Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria.
Your saying he's a dreamer. Did dreams secure a new job for him?

He got of his backside, didn't whinge about how nasty the government is, got on with helping himself instead of just jumping on the dole queue. He's right, your attitude clearly stinks.

Your a Realist and not a Dreamer?

Whooo-hoo, loving that!
he got lucky thats all, he just said the right things at the right time nothing more, but do he know how many more people went for the same job that he got, more likey 1000's went for that same job, more so if he found the job on a web site, because that job would of been seen internationally and not local.
But the fact still remains i am a Realist, and the fact remains that there are less than 50,000 jobs advertise for the Uk market only in a year.
Unbelievable.

He got 'lucky'? What world do you live in?

'he just said the right things at the right time nothing more'

Isn't that called a job interview?

But what am I talking about: your right.

It's much easier to be a parasite rather than help yourself, if we all had your attitude then none of us would have jobs.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.[/p][/quote]Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought. Congrats btw.[/p][/quote]Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy![/p][/quote]Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world. Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]Your saying he's a dreamer. Did dreams secure a new job for him? He got of his backside, didn't whinge about how nasty the government is, got on with helping himself instead of just jumping on the dole queue. He's right, your attitude clearly stinks. Your a Realist and not a Dreamer? Whooo-hoo, loving that![/p][/quote]he got lucky thats all, he just said the right things at the right time nothing more, but do he know how many more people went for the same job that he got, more likey 1000's went for that same job, more so if he found the job on a web site, because that job would of been seen internationally and not local. But the fact still remains i am a Realist, and the fact remains that there are less than 50,000 jobs advertise for the Uk market only in a year.[/p][/quote]Unbelievable. He got 'lucky'? What world do you live in? 'he just said the right things at the right time nothing more' Isn't that called a job interview? But what am I talking about: your right. It's much easier to be a parasite rather than help yourself, if we all had your attitude then none of us would have jobs. Shoong
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3:00pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong?

Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't.

'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.'

I suppose that's made up as well!

Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts.

You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.[/p][/quote]Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone. Shoong
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3:05pm Mon 2 Jul 12

peenut81 says...

OHEC that is precisely what has been happening since the 1980's. Research fractional reserve banking, the system by which we allow selected private institutions to create money as debt, extract the original value and pass the liability to the taxpayer. We (represented in 'the state') could use the same system to spend on social need but instead the ideological requirements of the Establishment and of wealthy capitalists like our ex-council leader prevent our collective wealth being put to constructive use preferring outrageous consumption and novelty elitist events like the Olympics and jubilee instead. In short there is unlimited 'money' available (using our existing debt based money creation system) but our system is set up to keep it funnelling to the richest 10%.
OHEC that is precisely what has been happening since the 1980's. Research fractional reserve banking, the system by which we allow selected private institutions to create money as debt, extract the original value and pass the liability to the taxpayer. We (represented in 'the state') could use the same system to spend on social need but instead the ideological requirements of the Establishment and of wealthy capitalists like our ex-council leader prevent our collective wealth being put to constructive use preferring outrageous consumption and novelty elitist events like the Olympics and jubilee instead. In short there is unlimited 'money' available (using our existing debt based money creation system) but our system is set up to keep it funnelling to the richest 10%. peenut81
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3:09pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
Shoong wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought.

Congrats btw.
Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy!
Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world.
Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria.
Your saying he's a dreamer. Did dreams secure a new job for him?

He got of his backside, didn't whinge about how nasty the government is, got on with helping himself instead of just jumping on the dole queue. He's right, your attitude clearly stinks.

Your a Realist and not a Dreamer?

Whooo-hoo, loving that!
he got lucky thats all, he just said the right things at the right time nothing more, but do he know how many more people went for the same job that he got, more likey 1000's went for that same job, more so if he found the job on a web site, because that job would of been seen internationally and not local.
But the fact still remains i am a Realist, and the fact remains that there are less than 50,000 jobs advertise for the Uk market only in a year.
Unbelievable.

He got 'lucky'? What world do you live in?

'he just said the right things at the right time nothing more'

Isn't that called a job interview?

But what am I talking about: your right.

It's much easier to be a parasite rather than help yourself, if we all had your attitude then none of us would have jobs.
well thats all it is now days just luck, me unlike you I live in the real world.
If every one did have my attitude then there would be zero unemployment, every one would have jobs and they would not need to work a very long hours of 60 hours a week just to try and make ends meet, the working week would be a lot less for the same amount of wages.
The parisites of this world are the Capitalist all ways have been and all ways will be, it in the nature of there greed to be parisites to the human race, get others to do all the real hard work and make the profit for them to have an easy life.
Its your kind that likes high unemployment not my kind.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.[/p][/quote]Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought. Congrats btw.[/p][/quote]Thanks Shoong. Perhaps I was lucky, but nobody ever got a job by moaning about the lack of jobs, did they Southy![/p][/quote]Yhats because I am a realist and not a dreamer like your self jimbobbo, try reseaching those jobs that read talks about, you find most of those jobs are repeated and advertise on many of the sites it lists, they are also jobs that are any where around the world. Like the Petro chem engineer job that is listed, shows up on 16 of these listed web sites and the job location is in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]Your saying he's a dreamer. Did dreams secure a new job for him? He got of his backside, didn't whinge about how nasty the government is, got on with helping himself instead of just jumping on the dole queue. He's right, your attitude clearly stinks. Your a Realist and not a Dreamer? Whooo-hoo, loving that![/p][/quote]he got lucky thats all, he just said the right things at the right time nothing more, but do he know how many more people went for the same job that he got, more likey 1000's went for that same job, more so if he found the job on a web site, because that job would of been seen internationally and not local. But the fact still remains i am a Realist, and the fact remains that there are less than 50,000 jobs advertise for the Uk market only in a year.[/p][/quote]Unbelievable. He got 'lucky'? What world do you live in? 'he just said the right things at the right time nothing more' Isn't that called a job interview? But what am I talking about: your right. It's much easier to be a parasite rather than help yourself, if we all had your attitude then none of us would have jobs.[/p][/quote]well thats all it is now days just luck, me unlike you I live in the real world. If every one did have my attitude then there would be zero unemployment, every one would have jobs and they would not need to work a very long hours of 60 hours a week just to try and make ends meet, the working week would be a lot less for the same amount of wages. The parisites of this world are the Capitalist all ways have been and all ways will be, it in the nature of there greed to be parisites to the human race, get others to do all the real hard work and make the profit for them to have an easy life. Its your kind that likes high unemployment not my kind. southy
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3:22pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong?

Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't.

'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.'

I suppose that's made up as well!

Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts.

You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.
You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts.
You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys.
so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda.
And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.[/p][/quote]Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.[/p][/quote]You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts. You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys. so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda. And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist. southy
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3:24pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

And peanut still got you sum up right shoong
And peanut still got you sum up right shoong southy
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3:27pm Mon 2 Jul 12

ohec says...

southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.
The problem reducing their expenditure will result in a bigger expenditure and a deeper slump in the Economy.
What any true Capitalist will not tell you is what will be the cost when people lose there jobs and become unemployed. like how much will be lost in Council Tax revenue because people that are unemployed or can not make ends meet will put in for a Council Tax reduction, and then there will be claims for Housing Benefit also, and there will be unemployment benefits that will need to be paid out.
And on top of that there will be lost of orders or a reduction of orders to the suppliers, so the suppliers will need to start cutting back also more job loses, and also will happen is people spending less in the economy and not like the way they normally do, so that means more cuts being made else where and more job losses. its a cycle once started will not stop till some one is brave enough to say enough is enough or a total collapse in the economy and there is nothing left to cut back on.
Yes i agree to some extent but that is the problem the present government thinks that the way forward is austerity and nothing else but all that does is grind the whole country to a halt, we need to be spending money investing in capital projects and houses and get people working and spending their wages, but that has to be done at a national level otherwise it just causes more local disruption for little or no gain. I think that the time has come to forget about politics and put the country first and to that end they need to give the population a bit more respect and take notice of what the public want and say, for a start we could have that referendum on the E.U. we also need to stop any investment in Scotland until we have a definitive answer as to their independence,for want of a better phrase the whole country needs a good kick up the ar*e and the people want motivating but i fear we have the wrong man at the helm and even worse i don't think there is a suitable candidate from any party that has the balls to put us on track.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.[/p][/quote]The problem reducing their expenditure will result in a bigger expenditure and a deeper slump in the Economy. What any true Capitalist will not tell you is what will be the cost when people lose there jobs and become unemployed. like how much will be lost in Council Tax revenue because people that are unemployed or can not make ends meet will put in for a Council Tax reduction, and then there will be claims for Housing Benefit also, and there will be unemployment benefits that will need to be paid out. And on top of that there will be lost of orders or a reduction of orders to the suppliers, so the suppliers will need to start cutting back also more job loses, and also will happen is people spending less in the economy and not like the way they normally do, so that means more cuts being made else where and more job losses. its a cycle once started will not stop till some one is brave enough to say enough is enough or a total collapse in the economy and there is nothing left to cut back on.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree to some extent but that is the problem the present government thinks that the way forward is austerity and nothing else but all that does is grind the whole country to a halt, we need to be spending money investing in capital projects and houses and get people working and spending their wages, but that has to be done at a national level otherwise it just causes more local disruption for little or no gain. I think that the time has come to forget about politics and put the country first and to that end they need to give the population a bit more respect and take notice of what the public want and say, for a start we could have that referendum on the E.U. we also need to stop any investment in Scotland until we have a definitive answer as to their independence,for want of a better phrase the whole country needs a good kick up the ar*e and the people want motivating but i fear we have the wrong man at the helm and even worse i don't think there is a suitable candidate from any party that has the balls to put us on track. ohec
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3:48pm Mon 2 Jul 12

thinklikealocal says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.
Shoong, reporting Royston Smith's opinions could hardly be considered reporting facts!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.[/p][/quote]Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.[/p][/quote]Shoong, reporting Royston Smith's opinions could hardly be considered reporting facts! thinklikealocal
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3:53pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

ohec wrote:
Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.
The answer is relatively simple, increase the Council Tax by a fair amount to encompass the finance needed to fund the expenditure, Government blocks on Council Tax increases will hamper even the most ardent of Labour Council from doing what they promised.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.[/p][/quote]The answer is relatively simple, increase the Council Tax by a fair amount to encompass the finance needed to fund the expenditure, Government blocks on Council Tax increases will hamper even the most ardent of Labour Council from doing what they promised. OSPREYSAINT
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3:54pm Mon 2 Jul 12

dave1958 says...

What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like.
I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that.
So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.
What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like. I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that. So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin. dave1958
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3:55pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

ohec wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.
The problem reducing their expenditure will result in a bigger expenditure and a deeper slump in the Economy.
What any true Capitalist will not tell you is what will be the cost when people lose there jobs and become unemployed. like how much will be lost in Council Tax revenue because people that are unemployed or can not make ends meet will put in for a Council Tax reduction, and then there will be claims for Housing Benefit also, and there will be unemployment benefits that will need to be paid out.
And on top of that there will be lost of orders or a reduction of orders to the suppliers, so the suppliers will need to start cutting back also more job loses, and also will happen is people spending less in the economy and not like the way they normally do, so that means more cuts being made else where and more job losses. its a cycle once started will not stop till some one is brave enough to say enough is enough or a total collapse in the economy and there is nothing left to cut back on.
Yes i agree to some extent but that is the problem the present government thinks that the way forward is austerity and nothing else but all that does is grind the whole country to a halt, we need to be spending money investing in capital projects and houses and get people working and spending their wages, but that has to be done at a national level otherwise it just causes more local disruption for little or no gain. I think that the time has come to forget about politics and put the country first and to that end they need to give the population a bit more respect and take notice of what the public want and say, for a start we could have that referendum on the E.U. we also need to stop any investment in Scotland until we have a definitive answer as to their independence,for want of a better phrase the whole country needs a good kick up the ar*e and the people want motivating but i fear we have the wrong man at the helm and even worse i don't think there is a suitable candidate from any party that has the balls to put us on track.
Research the Bilderberg Group theres 2 circles to this group the inner and outter) right back to 1945, these are the people in real control, any one that turns up at the invite meetings can not be trusted, people like Cameron, Clegg, Milibands, Blair, Thatcher, Murdoch and many others have been invited to the meetings and turned up, 1 person that did get an invite but refuse to go was Smith when he was leader of the Labour party, and he was soon push out of that job because he refuse to turn up.
The man you want at the helm now days is Dave Nellist he will put us back on track and a number of Tax dodgers will not like it.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.[/p][/quote]The problem reducing their expenditure will result in a bigger expenditure and a deeper slump in the Economy. What any true Capitalist will not tell you is what will be the cost when people lose there jobs and become unemployed. like how much will be lost in Council Tax revenue because people that are unemployed or can not make ends meet will put in for a Council Tax reduction, and then there will be claims for Housing Benefit also, and there will be unemployment benefits that will need to be paid out. And on top of that there will be lost of orders or a reduction of orders to the suppliers, so the suppliers will need to start cutting back also more job loses, and also will happen is people spending less in the economy and not like the way they normally do, so that means more cuts being made else where and more job losses. its a cycle once started will not stop till some one is brave enough to say enough is enough or a total collapse in the economy and there is nothing left to cut back on.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree to some extent but that is the problem the present government thinks that the way forward is austerity and nothing else but all that does is grind the whole country to a halt, we need to be spending money investing in capital projects and houses and get people working and spending their wages, but that has to be done at a national level otherwise it just causes more local disruption for little or no gain. I think that the time has come to forget about politics and put the country first and to that end they need to give the population a bit more respect and take notice of what the public want and say, for a start we could have that referendum on the E.U. we also need to stop any investment in Scotland until we have a definitive answer as to their independence,for want of a better phrase the whole country needs a good kick up the ar*e and the people want motivating but i fear we have the wrong man at the helm and even worse i don't think there is a suitable candidate from any party that has the balls to put us on track.[/p][/quote]Research the Bilderberg Group theres 2 circles to this group the inner and outter) right back to 1945, these are the people in real control, any one that turns up at the invite meetings can not be trusted, people like Cameron, Clegg, Milibands, Blair, Thatcher, Murdoch and many others have been invited to the meetings and turned up, 1 person that did get an invite but refuse to go was Smith when he was leader of the Labour party, and he was soon push out of that job because he refuse to turn up. The man you want at the helm now days is Dave Nellist he will put us back on track and a number of Tax dodgers will not like it. southy
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4:00pm Mon 2 Jul 12

localnews says...

if we're in so much debt why are we still sending billions in overseas aid,look after your own and balls to the rest,the trouble with UK is we still think we're a powerful country who can look after others,we fail miserably on the homefront
if we're in so much debt why are we still sending billions in overseas aid,look after your own and balls to the rest,the trouble with UK is we still think we're a powerful country who can look after others,we fail miserably on the homefront localnews
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4:02pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Maine Lobster says...

Condor Man wrote:
Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.
You are correct in that the unions wanted the Tories out and frankly can you blame them? No previous administration had cut wages and the Labour group have pledged to reinstatate. For most employees it is a simple choice. The staff also remember previous administrations of different political persuausions where jobs were lost. That is nothing new. The Government have cut Council funding so deep to bail out the banks all parties would struggle. The Tories chose to spend on pet projects though and to waste money on legal processes fighting the unions. That was their political choice and they paid for it on 3rd May.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.[/p][/quote]You are correct in that the unions wanted the Tories out and frankly can you blame them? No previous administration had cut wages and the Labour group have pledged to reinstatate. For most employees it is a simple choice. The staff also remember previous administrations of different political persuausions where jobs were lost. That is nothing new. The Government have cut Council funding so deep to bail out the banks all parties would struggle. The Tories chose to spend on pet projects though and to waste money on legal processes fighting the unions. That was their political choice and they paid for it on 3rd May. Maine Lobster
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4:03pm Mon 2 Jul 12

bigfella777 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ohec wrote:
Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.
The answer is relatively simple, increase the Council Tax by a fair amount to encompass the finance needed to fund the expenditure, Government blocks on Council Tax increases will hamper even the most ardent of Labour Council from doing what they promised.
Its true unfortunately,if we want services we have to pay for them,the shortfall shouldnt be made up by job losses its just negative economics.
They should review the banding as well so the most expensive properties pay a lot more,its peanuts to them.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.[/p][/quote]The answer is relatively simple, increase the Council Tax by a fair amount to encompass the finance needed to fund the expenditure, Government blocks on Council Tax increases will hamper even the most ardent of Labour Council from doing what they promised.[/p][/quote]Its true unfortunately,if we want services we have to pay for them,the shortfall shouldnt be made up by job losses its just negative economics. They should review the banding as well so the most expensive properties pay a lot more,its peanuts to them. bigfella777
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4:07pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

dave1958 wrote:
What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like.
I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that.
So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.
My self and Sotongreen stood as candidates, (sotongreen have been standing at elections a lot longer than I have, I done the last 2 elections and manage to increase my votes even with a turn out that drop even more than last year) I think its sotonbusdriver that is a councillor for the Millbrook ward Labour 2010. and then there is Parmi ex-councillor and Frefinker who is thinking about standing for the Greens.
[quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like. I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that. So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.[/p][/quote]My self and Sotongreen stood as candidates, (sotongreen have been standing at elections a lot longer than I have, I done the last 2 elections and manage to increase my votes even with a turn out that drop even more than last year) I think its sotonbusdriver that is a councillor for the Millbrook ward Labour 2010. and then there is Parmi ex-councillor and Frefinker who is thinking about standing for the Greens. southy
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4:07pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Velleity says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue.

Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage.

I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks.

It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.
Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought.

Congrats btw.
That is total BS there are 123,797
live jobs across 42 specialist sites,not just in the UK but all round the world. and a lot of these jobs are advertise on most of the 42 specialist web sites.
Even around the world more people are being made unemployed than there is jobs being created.
I employed someone recently. The job never appeared on any job site: I got someone through personal contacts. So, there's one job you've missed, just from the readers of these comments.

I'll also add that in 30 months running my oen business I have NEVER had a call from anyone looking for a job. Suggests a bit of a lack of get-up-and-go, doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about Southy. Seriously, you don't have a clue. Currently, there are 130,000 active job listings on reed.co.uk. It says it, right there on their homepage. I got made redundant at the start of this year. I called recruitment agencies across Hampshire, pestered companies who I thought could be looking to recruit, and posted my CV on every job site in my sector. Within one week I had secured three interviews. Got a new job within two weeks. It's attitudes like yours which bring this country down.[/p][/quote]Didn't you know? The state owes you a living and you shouldn't have to do anything for yourself, perish the thought. Congrats btw.[/p][/quote]That is total BS there are 123,797 live jobs across 42 specialist sites,not just in the UK but all round the world. and a lot of these jobs are advertise on most of the 42 specialist web sites. Even around the world more people are being made unemployed than there is jobs being created.[/p][/quote]I employed someone recently. The job never appeared on any job site: I got someone through personal contacts. So, there's one job you've missed, just from the readers of these comments. I'll also add that in 30 months running my oen business I have NEVER had a call from anyone looking for a job. Suggests a bit of a lack of get-up-and-go, doesn't it? Velleity
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4:07pm Mon 2 Jul 12

misbehaving says...

dave1958 wrote:
What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like.
I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that.
So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.
Just checked the records at police aithority. councellor Moulton voted against police stations closures councellor Raymond voted to close them. why do you say things that are not true?
[quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like. I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that. So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.[/p][/quote]Just checked the records at police aithority. councellor Moulton voted against police stations closures councellor Raymond voted to close them. why do you say things that are not true? misbehaving
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4:16pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

bigfella777 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ohec wrote:
Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.
The answer is relatively simple, increase the Council Tax by a fair amount to encompass the finance needed to fund the expenditure, Government blocks on Council Tax increases will hamper even the most ardent of Labour Council from doing what they promised.
Its true unfortunately,if we want services we have to pay for them,the shortfall shouldnt be made up by job losses its just negative economics.
They should review the banding as well so the most expensive properties pay a lot more,its peanuts to them.
Increasing Council tax is one of the things I said in the pass, but the way I would of done things would not be the same amount across the board, a number of people agreed with me at the time and though I had the right way of doing it.
and that was stepping up the Tax on each band level because at the moment you can own a mansion as big as the biggest hotel and only still pay 2/3rds more than the lowest band.
the way i said it was some thing like this.
Add 2 more bands at lest on top the ones we all ready got.
Band A 0% increase
Band B 0.5% increase
Band C 1.0% increase
Band D 1.5% increase
Band E 2.0% increase
and so-forth if work out right it would work out fairer this way, so if your greed is getting the better of you then you pay for that greed.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Forget all the politics if Southampton have got to balance the books then how do people propose they do it without reducing their expenditure, because i know how much i have coming in every month and that governs how much i spend, if somebody has found some miraculous way of spending more than you have coming in without getting into trouble then perhaps they could share the secret. Striking or any other industrial action is purely pointless and can only exacerbate the problem leading to more job or service loses.[/p][/quote]The answer is relatively simple, increase the Council Tax by a fair amount to encompass the finance needed to fund the expenditure, Government blocks on Council Tax increases will hamper even the most ardent of Labour Council from doing what they promised.[/p][/quote]Its true unfortunately,if we want services we have to pay for them,the shortfall shouldnt be made up by job losses its just negative economics. They should review the banding as well so the most expensive properties pay a lot more,its peanuts to them.[/p][/quote]Increasing Council tax is one of the things I said in the pass, but the way I would of done things would not be the same amount across the board, a number of people agreed with me at the time and though I had the right way of doing it. and that was stepping up the Tax on each band level because at the moment you can own a mansion as big as the biggest hotel and only still pay 2/3rds more than the lowest band. the way i said it was some thing like this. Add 2 more bands at lest on top the ones we all ready got. Band A 0% increase Band B 0.5% increase Band C 1.0% increase Band D 1.5% increase Band E 2.0% increase and so-forth if work out right it would work out fairer this way, so if your greed is getting the better of you then you pay for that greed. southy
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4:28pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Linesman says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public.
Labour won and the public lost.
Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession.

Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession. Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election. Linesman
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4:29pm Mon 2 Jul 12

southy says...

misbehaving wrote:
dave1958 wrote:
What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like.
I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that.
So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.
Just checked the records at police aithority. councellor Moulton voted against police stations closures councellor Raymond voted to close them. why do you say things that are not true?
Moulton agreed on Closures of Police Stations, shirley Police station was one of those he voted for to be closed, but saying that he may or may not of been agreeing to all closures that was on the list to be closed.
[quote][p][bold]misbehaving[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like. I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that. So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.[/p][/quote]Just checked the records at police aithority. councellor Moulton voted against police stations closures councellor Raymond voted to close them. why do you say things that are not true?[/p][/quote]Moulton agreed on Closures of Police Stations, shirley Police station was one of those he voted for to be closed, but saying that he may or may not of been agreeing to all closures that was on the list to be closed. southy
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4:40pm Mon 2 Jul 12

andysaints007 says...

peenut81 wrote:
@andysaints, your comments over the last few months make me realise you are barely worth engaging with on the subject of politics, there are no 'facts' in this article merely political spin and bickering. The problems this country (and planet) face are systemic, our politicians are merely trying to ease the pain inflicted by the necessities of Capitalism. @Shoong you are great at making assumptions yet rarely submit anything of any use on these forums. What is the point of you? My nerve was hit because this article has not even bothered to publish the Labour response (which according to the journalist when i contacted her directly was 'no comment')which it should be doing in the interests of balance and fairness. The fact that i don't believe a word either party or their members does not stop me from disapproving of an article that might as well have been written by Royston himself for all the use it does in INFORMING readers and allowing them to make their own judgement.
I think you will find that you tend to send most of us to sleep with your boring comments. If you really don't like what you read on the Echo site why do you (and the other constant whingers on here) put yourselves through the pain each day. If you don't like their type of journalism go somewhere that's best suited to you - I understand boringincessantwhine
rsdotcom is looking for new members!!
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: @andysaints, your comments over the last few months make me realise you are barely worth engaging with on the subject of politics, there are no 'facts' in this article merely political spin and bickering. The problems this country (and planet) face are systemic, our politicians are merely trying to ease the pain inflicted by the necessities of Capitalism. @Shoong you are great at making assumptions yet rarely submit anything of any use on these forums. What is the point of you? My nerve was hit because this article has not even bothered to publish the Labour response (which according to the journalist when i contacted her directly was 'no comment')which it should be doing in the interests of balance and fairness. The fact that i don't believe a word either party or their members does not stop me from disapproving of an article that might as well have been written by Royston himself for all the use it does in INFORMING readers and allowing them to make their own judgement.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that you tend to send most of us to sleep with your boring comments. If you really don't like what you read on the Echo site why do you (and the other constant whingers on here) put yourselves through the pain each day. If you don't like their type of journalism go somewhere that's best suited to you - I understand boringincessantwhine rsdotcom is looking for new members!! andysaints007
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5:01pm Mon 2 Jul 12

mrblunt says...

southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.
Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.
Southy,
Anyone who is on a full contract with SCC, including all contracted manual workers would NOT go below the £6.50 mark if they had to take a 10% pay cut.
I can't comment on the pay of casual workers from agencies.
You are scare-mongering again spouting unsubstantiated facts.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its going to be tough in the real world for the unlucky ones,I would rather take a 10% pay cut than face unemployment,there's just nothing out there except £6.50 jobs.[/p][/quote]Taking a 10% pay cut would put most below that £6.50 jobs. Plus there are not that many jobs on the market each year 2011 there was only 48,000 jobs on the UK market and that includes the ones that was advertise on the Europe main land for the UK. with well over 3 million unemployed in the UK not much hope in getting one of those jobs.[/p][/quote]Southy, Anyone who is on a full contract with SCC, including all contracted manual workers would NOT go below the £6.50 mark if they had to take a 10% pay cut. I can't comment on the pay of casual workers from agencies. You are scare-mongering again spouting unsubstantiated facts. mrblunt
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5:04pm Mon 2 Jul 12

aldermoorboy says...

Linesman, the truth hurts doesn't it.
I guess you know local Labour councillors care more for themselves than their workers. Sack the workers and pay themselves £22,000 a year more for cabinet positions. A disgrace.
Royston and Jeremy are honest men, Dave 1958 is a liar, I guess he might be a Labour councillor ( being a liar he certainly has the necessary qualifications).
Linesman, the truth hurts doesn't it. I guess you know local Labour councillors care more for themselves than their workers. Sack the workers and pay themselves £22,000 a year more for cabinet positions. A disgrace. Royston and Jeremy are honest men, Dave 1958 is a liar, I guess he might be a Labour councillor ( being a liar he certainly has the necessary qualifications). aldermoorboy
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5:19pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OceansofRed says...

So Labour are cutting jobs and closing a swimming pool?

Didn't say this in their manifesto did they?
So Labour are cutting jobs and closing a swimming pool? Didn't say this in their manifesto did they? OceansofRed
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5:22pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Linesman says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Linesman, the truth hurts doesn't it.
I guess you know local Labour councillors care more for themselves than their workers. Sack the workers and pay themselves £22,000 a year more for cabinet positions. A disgrace.
Royston and Jeremy are honest men, Dave 1958 is a liar, I guess he might be a Labour councillor ( being a liar he certainly has the necessary qualifications).
I guess it does. Electing Cameron, who claimed that he would be tough on crime, and then cuts the police budget.

Told us that 'we are all in this together' then screws the pensioners and gives a tax cut to the top earners.

Those are two truths that hurt.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Linesman, the truth hurts doesn't it. I guess you know local Labour councillors care more for themselves than their workers. Sack the workers and pay themselves £22,000 a year more for cabinet positions. A disgrace. Royston and Jeremy are honest men, Dave 1958 is a liar, I guess he might be a Labour councillor ( being a liar he certainly has the necessary qualifications).[/p][/quote]I guess it does. Electing Cameron, who claimed that he would be tough on crime, and then cuts the police budget. Told us that 'we are all in this together' then screws the pensioners and gives a tax cut to the top earners. Those are two truths that hurt. Linesman
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5:28pm Mon 2 Jul 12

George4th says...

Linesman wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public.
Labour won and the public lost.
Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession.

Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour!
>
When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank!
>
It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession. Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour! > When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank! > It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!! George4th
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5:35pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OceansofRed says...

Linesmen how is this government which is giving pensioners a bigger state pension screwing them exactly?
Linesmen how is this government which is giving pensioners a bigger state pension screwing them exactly? OceansofRed
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5:45pm Mon 2 Jul 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
dave1958 wrote:
What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like.
I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that.
So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.
My self and Sotongreen stood as candidates, (sotongreen have been standing at elections a lot longer than I have, I done the last 2 elections and manage to increase my votes even with a turn out that drop even more than last year) I think its sotonbusdriver that is a councillor for the Millbrook ward Labour 2010. and then there is Parmi ex-councillor and Frefinker who is thinking about standing for the Greens.
.. how many times do I need to tell you southy.
I am NOT a member of the Green Party, therefore can NOT stand for them.
In fact, again as I have told you before, and to misquote Groucho Marx - I would not join any party that would have me as a member.
As for you little go at the SWP, what more can I say – splitter.
Does every Trotskyist have their own individual political party?
And over 3 million unemployed? Making up numbers again – but then I suspect all the official statistics have been altered by evil hackers and it's only the Socialist Party (England and Wales) that has the correct and accurate data.
Oh no – wait a minute, isn’t it their website that is continually hacked to alter the truth?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like. I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that. So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.[/p][/quote]My self and Sotongreen stood as candidates, (sotongreen have been standing at elections a lot longer than I have, I done the last 2 elections and manage to increase my votes even with a turn out that drop even more than last year) I think its sotonbusdriver that is a councillor for the Millbrook ward Labour 2010. and then there is Parmi ex-councillor and Frefinker who is thinking about standing for the Greens.[/p][/quote].. how many times do I need to tell you southy. I am NOT a member of the Green Party, therefore can NOT stand for them. In fact, again as I have told you before, and to misquote Groucho Marx - I would not join any party that would have me as a member. As for you little go at the SWP, what more can I say – splitter. Does every Trotskyist have their own individual political party? And over 3 million unemployed? Making up numbers again – but then I suspect all the official statistics have been altered by evil hackers and it's only the Socialist Party (England and Wales) that has the correct and accurate data. Oh no – wait a minute, isn’t it their website that is continually hacked to alter the truth? freefinker
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6:02pm Mon 2 Jul 12

thinklikealocal says...

George4th wrote:
Linesman wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession. Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour! > When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank! > It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!!
George, could you quantify what you mean by successful? You are always posting 'bold claims' on here without ever explaining yourself.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession. Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour! > When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank! > It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!![/p][/quote]George, could you quantify what you mean by successful? You are always posting 'bold claims' on here without ever explaining yourself. thinklikealocal
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6:37pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OceansofRed wrote:
So Labour are cutting jobs and closing a swimming pool? Didn't say this in their manifesto did they?
Still constrained by Government interference, can't produce money out of thin air no matter how keen you are to honour promises.
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: So Labour are cutting jobs and closing a swimming pool? Didn't say this in their manifesto did they?[/p][/quote]Still constrained by Government interference, can't produce money out of thin air no matter how keen you are to honour promises. OSPREYSAINT
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7:02pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OceansofRed says...

So osprey they shouldnt have made promises they couldnt keep! They knew there was no money!
So osprey they shouldnt have made promises they couldnt keep! They knew there was no money! OceansofRed
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7:08pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Steven Galton says...

When it comes to Jeremy Moulton - I'd say read this http://jeremymoulton
.blogspot.co.uk/2011
/10/hypocritical-lab
our-shut-local.html - pretty clear on the truth here and how Jeremy stands.

Also look at the facts we (I was the Conservaive candidate in Millbrook) said under Labour Surestarts, Libraries & Leisure Centres would be at risk in Southampton. I was personally accused of scaremongering yet less than 2 months after gaining power Labour plan to close a leisure centre that would have been safe in Conservative hands along with the 30+ associated jobs.
When it comes to Jeremy Moulton - I'd say read this http://jeremymoulton .blogspot.co.uk/2011 /10/hypocritical-lab our-shut-local.html - pretty clear on the truth here and how Jeremy stands. Also look at the facts we (I was the Conservaive candidate in Millbrook) said under Labour Surestarts, Libraries & Leisure Centres would be at risk in Southampton. I was personally accused of scaremongering yet less than 2 months after gaining power Labour plan to close a leisure centre that would have been safe in Conservative hands along with the 30+ associated jobs. Steven Galton
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7:09pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OceansofRed wrote:
So osprey they shouldnt have made promises they couldnt keep! They knew there was no money!
Have you always been able to keep promises that you have made when things have conspired against you?
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: So osprey they shouldnt have made promises they couldnt keep! They knew there was no money![/p][/quote]Have you always been able to keep promises that you have made when things have conspired against you? OSPREYSAINT
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7:11pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

George4th wrote:
Linesman wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public.
Labour won and the public lost.
Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession.

Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour!
>
When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank!
>
It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!!
Same statement different day.

Quantify successful councils please?

Those non unitary authorities that still submit to Hampshire? or Those who have higher council tax than Southampton?

Come George4th you been saying the same thing since before the election, please enlighten me, if you can?

For your information the last Labour Government handling of the worldwide economic crisis had full cross party support in the House of Commons, yes George4th Tories and all.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession. Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour! > When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank! > It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!![/p][/quote]Same statement different day. Quantify successful councils please? Those non unitary authorities that still submit to Hampshire? or Those who have higher council tax than Southampton? Come George4th you been saying the same thing since before the election, please enlighten me, if you can? For your information the last Labour Government handling of the worldwide economic crisis had full cross party support in the House of Commons, yes George4th Tories and all. Over the Edge
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7:15pm Mon 2 Jul 12

thinklikealocal says...

OceansofRed wrote:
So osprey they shouldnt have made promises they couldnt keep! They knew there was no money!
Did David Cameron have in his manifesto that he was going to cut funding to Local Government by 35 per cent? Think not.....
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: So osprey they shouldnt have made promises they couldnt keep! They knew there was no money![/p][/quote]Did David Cameron have in his manifesto that he was going to cut funding to Local Government by 35 per cent? Think not..... thinklikealocal
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7:19pm Mon 2 Jul 12

thinklikealocal says...

Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
Linesman wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession. Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour! > When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank! > It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!!
Same statement different day. Quantify successful councils please? Those non unitary authorities that still submit to Hampshire? or Those who have higher council tax than Southampton? Come George4th you been saying the same thing since before the election, please enlighten me, if you can? For your information the last Labour Government handling of the worldwide economic crisis had full cross party support in the House of Commons, yes George4th Tories and all.
My point exactly. What do you expect from the offspring of George de Turd.
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession. Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour! > When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank! > It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!![/p][/quote]Same statement different day. Quantify successful councils please? Those non unitary authorities that still submit to Hampshire? or Those who have higher council tax than Southampton? Come George4th you been saying the same thing since before the election, please enlighten me, if you can? For your information the last Labour Government handling of the worldwide economic crisis had full cross party support in the House of Commons, yes George4th Tories and all.[/p][/quote]My point exactly. What do you expect from the offspring of George de Turd. thinklikealocal
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7:22pm Mon 2 Jul 12

thinklikealocal says...

Steven Galton wrote:
When it comes to Jeremy Moulton - I'd say read this http://jeremymoulton .blogspot.co.uk/2011 /10/hypocritical-lab our-shut-local.html - pretty clear on the truth here and how Jeremy stands. Also look at the facts we (I was the Conservaive candidate in Millbrook) said under Labour Surestarts, Libraries & Leisure Centres would be at risk in Southampton. I was personally accused of scaremongering yet less than 2 months after gaining power Labour plan to close a leisure centre that would have been safe in Conservative hands along with the 30+ associated jobs.
There wouldn't be such thing as Sure Start if it wasn't for the Labour Party.....
[quote][p][bold]Steven Galton[/bold] wrote: When it comes to Jeremy Moulton - I'd say read this http://jeremymoulton .blogspot.co.uk/2011 /10/hypocritical-lab our-shut-local.html - pretty clear on the truth here and how Jeremy stands. Also look at the facts we (I was the Conservaive candidate in Millbrook) said under Labour Surestarts, Libraries & Leisure Centres would be at risk in Southampton. I was personally accused of scaremongering yet less than 2 months after gaining power Labour plan to close a leisure centre that would have been safe in Conservative hands along with the 30+ associated jobs.[/p][/quote]There wouldn't be such thing as Sure Start if it wasn't for the Labour Party..... thinklikealocal
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7:23pm Mon 2 Jul 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

Agree with closure of Oaklands, sorry about the staff there though of course :( there are also pools at Red Lodge, the University for a reasonable sum!

Not sure how 20 job losses is akin to that of 250 under Royston's rule and a pay cut! oh and let's not forget the rubbish strike.

Sorry Steve going to have to disagree about Sure Start as it was scaremongering - it was the Tories in Hants CC who were closing Sure Starts and neighbouring authorities, Soton have never had plans to do this under either council rule....

this is pure sour grapes from Royston - as I've said all along councils cannot sustain services without a CT rise which is then penalised by the government! Surely redeploykment and retrainning is better than the mass redundancies? I remember the Youth Team being told on a Friday afternoon that all their jobs had gone bar a couple and the huge redunancy packages which in the end isn't an immediate saving is it...
Agree with closure of Oaklands, sorry about the staff there though of course :( there are also pools at Red Lodge, the University for a reasonable sum! Not sure how 20 job losses is akin to that of 250 under Royston's rule and a pay cut! oh and let's not forget the rubbish strike. Sorry Steve going to have to disagree about Sure Start as it was scaremongering - it was the Tories in Hants CC who were closing Sure Starts and neighbouring authorities, Soton have never had plans to do this under either council rule.... this is pure sour grapes from Royston - as I've said all along councils cannot sustain services without a CT rise which is then penalised by the government! Surely redeploykment and retrainning is better than the mass redundancies? I remember the Youth Team being told on a Friday afternoon that all their jobs had gone bar a couple and the huge redunancy packages which in the end isn't an immediate saving is it... freemantlegirl2
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8:18pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Steven Galton wrote:
When it comes to Jeremy Moulton - I'd say read this http://jeremymoulton .blogspot.co.uk/2011 /10/hypocritical-lab our-shut-local.html - pretty clear on the truth here and how Jeremy stands. Also look at the facts we (I was the Conservaive candidate in Millbrook) said under Labour Surestarts, Libraries & Leisure Centres would be at risk in Southampton. I was personally accused of scaremongering yet less than 2 months after gaining power Labour plan to close a leisure centre that would have been safe in Conservative hands along with the 30+ associated jobs.
OK would you be prepared to pay extra CT to fund a facility that you yourself would never use?
[quote][p][bold]Steven Galton[/bold] wrote: When it comes to Jeremy Moulton - I'd say read this http://jeremymoulton .blogspot.co.uk/2011 /10/hypocritical-lab our-shut-local.html - pretty clear on the truth here and how Jeremy stands. Also look at the facts we (I was the Conservaive candidate in Millbrook) said under Labour Surestarts, Libraries & Leisure Centres would be at risk in Southampton. I was personally accused of scaremongering yet less than 2 months after gaining power Labour plan to close a leisure centre that would have been safe in Conservative hands along with the 30+ associated jobs.[/p][/quote]OK would you be prepared to pay extra CT to fund a facility that you yourself would never use? OSPREYSAINT
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8:23pm Mon 2 Jul 12

lordshill loyal says...

your comments freemantle girl regarding you agree with the closing of oaklands.have you ever used the pool.i do and alot of the older generation do.it is a godsend to these people.i take disabled people to the pool every week and they love.the people of lordehill were promised that when oaklands school is pulled down the swimming pool would be saved.before the last local election the tories promised the same.now look what is happening.they should all hang there heads in shame.and i hope that if they do the close it that don thomas and keith morrel resign as councilors in protest.then we will see where ther loyaltys lie.to all the decent people of lordshill.i ask that you stand together and fight the closure.
your comments freemantle girl regarding you agree with the closing of oaklands.have you ever used the pool.i do and alot of the older generation do.it is a godsend to these people.i take disabled people to the pool every week and they love.the people of lordehill were promised that when oaklands school is pulled down the swimming pool would be saved.before the last local election the tories promised the same.now look what is happening.they should all hang there heads in shame.and i hope that if they do the close it that don thomas and keith morrel resign as councilors in protest.then we will see where ther loyaltys lie.to all the decent people of lordshill.i ask that you stand together and fight the closure. lordshill loyal
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8:28pm Mon 2 Jul 12

lordshill loyal says...

to the people of lordshill fight this closure
to the people of lordshill fight this closure lordshill loyal
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8:39pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

lordshill loyal wrote:
to the people of lordshill fight this closure
Not only Lordshill surely?
[quote][p][bold]lordshill loyal[/bold] wrote: to the people of lordshill fight this closure[/p][/quote]Not only Lordshill surely? OSPREYSAINT
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9:05pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OceansofRed says...

If the tories had shut the pool, freemantale girl would be going mad.
If the tories had shut the pool, freemantale girl would be going mad. OceansofRed
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9:15pm Mon 2 Jul 12

OceansofRed says...

Look what else is in the mini budget

"To increase income from clients in residential and non residential care through altering the charging policy and
becoming more efficient with billing arrangements."

So the elderly pay more?

what a caring council!
Look what else is in the mini budget "To increase income from clients in residential and non residential care through altering the charging policy and becoming more efficient with billing arrangements." So the elderly pay more? what a caring council! OceansofRed
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9:29pm Mon 2 Jul 12

chunky_lover says...

Andy Lowe - "head" of finance - He's such a tosser.
Andy Lowe - "head" of finance - He's such a tosser. chunky_lover
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9:37pm Mon 2 Jul 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.
Shoong, reporting Royston Smith's opinions could hardly be considered reporting facts!
So you would rather see 1,500 job losses than lose 5.5% of your wages?
take away the reduction in tax & NI stamp & the loss is less.
if you would see any jobs go than take a 5.5% pay cut your not a real union member are you?
I voted to take a pay cut rather than see 4 people made redundant this upset a shop steward who didn't want a cut & the next thing I knew I was going even though I wasn't originally on the list.
You say about bin collections?
personally it wouldn't bother me but I know in block of flats & young family households they want no need weekly collections.
how many natural wastage(people leaving) are they expecting? 1-10 refuse jobs,Swimming pool & what else?
You should take note they said services would be hit the same services they accused the tories of wanting to scrap.
disability carers dearer didn't they accuse the tories of planning to do that?
I hate people like you who spout socialists points of views only to give a **** about themselves
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.[/p][/quote]Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.[/p][/quote]Shoong, reporting Royston Smith's opinions could hardly be considered reporting facts![/p][/quote]So you would rather see 1,500 job losses than lose 5.5% of your wages? take away the reduction in tax & NI stamp & the loss is less. if you would see any jobs go than take a 5.5% pay cut your not a real union member are you? I voted to take a pay cut rather than see 4 people made redundant this upset a shop steward who didn't want a cut & the next thing I knew I was going even though I wasn't originally on the list. You say about bin collections? personally it wouldn't bother me but I know in block of flats & young family households they want no need weekly collections. how many natural wastage(people leaving) are they expecting? 1-10 refuse jobs,Swimming pool & what else? You should take note they said services would be hit the same services they accused the tories of wanting to scrap. disability carers dearer didn't they accuse the tories of planning to do that? I hate people like you who spout socialists points of views only to give a **** about themselves loosehead
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9:39pm Mon 2 Jul 12

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.
You are correct in that the unions wanted the Tories out and frankly can you blame them? No previous administration had cut wages and the Labour group have pledged to reinstatate. For most employees it is a simple choice. The staff also remember previous administrations of different political persuausions where jobs were lost. That is nothing new. The Government have cut Council funding so deep to bail out the banks all parties would struggle. The Tories chose to spend on pet projects though and to waste money on legal processes fighting the unions. That was their political choice and they paid for it on 3rd May.
So they get their pay restored only to lose their jobs they honestly fought for that did they?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.[/p][/quote]You are correct in that the unions wanted the Tories out and frankly can you blame them? No previous administration had cut wages and the Labour group have pledged to reinstatate. For most employees it is a simple choice. The staff also remember previous administrations of different political persuausions where jobs were lost. That is nothing new. The Government have cut Council funding so deep to bail out the banks all parties would struggle. The Tories chose to spend on pet projects though and to waste money on legal processes fighting the unions. That was their political choice and they paid for it on 3rd May.[/p][/quote]So they get their pay restored only to lose their jobs they honestly fought for that did they? loosehead
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9:45pm Mon 2 Jul 12

loosehead says...

dave1958 wrote:
What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like.
I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that.
So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.
Do you actually read the posts on here I was a potential Tory Candidate ( waiting for a free seat).
Are you telling me all you lot on here can justifiably support Williams & his council when it's now been proven what a bunch of liars they really are?
The Conservative party has had to do nothing the Labours words & actions have proven the Tories right & people are now waking up to the fact they've been lied to
[quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like. I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that. So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.[/p][/quote]Do you actually read the posts on here I was a potential Tory Candidate ( waiting for a free seat). Are you telling me all you lot on here can justifiably support Williams & his council when it's now been proven what a bunch of liars they really are? The Conservative party has had to do nothing the Labours words & actions have proven the Tories right & people are now waking up to the fact they've been lied to loosehead
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9:54pm Mon 2 Jul 12

loosehead says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
Agree with closure of Oaklands, sorry about the staff there though of course :( there are also pools at Red Lodge, the University for a reasonable sum!

Not sure how 20 job losses is akin to that of 250 under Royston's rule and a pay cut! oh and let's not forget the rubbish strike.

Sorry Steve going to have to disagree about Sure Start as it was scaremongering - it was the Tories in Hants CC who were closing Sure Starts and neighbouring authorities, Soton have never had plans to do this under either council rule....

this is pure sour grapes from Royston - as I've said all along councils cannot sustain services without a CT rise which is then penalised by the government! Surely redeploykment and retrainning is better than the mass redundancies? I remember the Youth Team being told on a Friday afternoon that all their jobs had gone bar a couple and the huge redunancy packages which in the end isn't an immediate saving is it...
FM2 I feel you misread Steve Galtons post.
he said the Labour party said the Tories in Southampton would shut Surestarts & leisure facilities.
they indeed did say that yet have immediately done what they accused the tories of planning.
FM2 they also said there would be many more services cut? could it be Surestart?
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: Agree with closure of Oaklands, sorry about the staff there though of course :( there are also pools at Red Lodge, the University for a reasonable sum! Not sure how 20 job losses is akin to that of 250 under Royston's rule and a pay cut! oh and let's not forget the rubbish strike. Sorry Steve going to have to disagree about Sure Start as it was scaremongering - it was the Tories in Hants CC who were closing Sure Starts and neighbouring authorities, Soton have never had plans to do this under either council rule.... this is pure sour grapes from Royston - as I've said all along councils cannot sustain services without a CT rise which is then penalised by the government! Surely redeploykment and retrainning is better than the mass redundancies? I remember the Youth Team being told on a Friday afternoon that all their jobs had gone bar a couple and the huge redunancy packages which in the end isn't an immediate saving is it...[/p][/quote]FM2 I feel you misread Steve Galtons post. he said the Labour party said the Tories in Southampton would shut Surestarts & leisure facilities. they indeed did say that yet have immediately done what they accused the tories of planning. FM2 they also said there would be many more services cut? could it be Surestart? loosehead
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10:01pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Maine Lobster says...

loosehead wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.
You are correct in that the unions wanted the Tories out and frankly can you blame them? No previous administration had cut wages and the Labour group have pledged to reinstatate. For most employees it is a simple choice. The staff also remember previous administrations of different political persuausions where jobs were lost. That is nothing new. The Government have cut Council funding so deep to bail out the banks all parties would struggle. The Tories chose to spend on pet projects though and to waste money on legal processes fighting the unions. That was their political choice and they paid for it on 3rd May.
So they get their pay restored only to lose their jobs they honestly fought for that did they?
All administrations were likely have to cut jobs. What was clear from the last administration was that they found the resources if they wanted to. e.g. funding the Sea City Museum when the private sector pulled out, buying One Guildhall Square for £25m, spending a fortune on sacking all the staff and then putting aside money to fight the unions, to name but a few.
Many Councils cut jobs but Southampton chose to cut wages aswell because Royston Smith hates unions and he wanted to make a name for himself. He certainly did that as far as his fallen Councillors are concerned!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Lobster, the point I'm making is that if the Unions don't strike it will be clear that their motivation last time was political- to get the Tories out, rather than representing the rights of their members. Tucker and co need to nail their colours to the masts, me thinks they'll be red.[/p][/quote]You are correct in that the unions wanted the Tories out and frankly can you blame them? No previous administration had cut wages and the Labour group have pledged to reinstatate. For most employees it is a simple choice. The staff also remember previous administrations of different political persuausions where jobs were lost. That is nothing new. The Government have cut Council funding so deep to bail out the banks all parties would struggle. The Tories chose to spend on pet projects though and to waste money on legal processes fighting the unions. That was their political choice and they paid for it on 3rd May.[/p][/quote]So they get their pay restored only to lose their jobs they honestly fought for that did they?[/p][/quote]All administrations were likely have to cut jobs. What was clear from the last administration was that they found the resources if they wanted to. e.g. funding the Sea City Museum when the private sector pulled out, buying One Guildhall Square for £25m, spending a fortune on sacking all the staff and then putting aside money to fight the unions, to name but a few. Many Councils cut jobs but Southampton chose to cut wages aswell because Royston Smith hates unions and he wanted to make a name for himself. He certainly did that as far as his fallen Councillors are concerned! Maine Lobster
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10:11pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

lordshill loyal wrote:
to the people of lordshill fight this closure
I do not use the pool concerned, (because I swim like lead brick!), and live just on the edge of Lordshill, YES if you start a campaign for saving this community facility under threat I will support that, no doubt if not all many others will also do the same.

Swimming pool at Oaklands and Bitterne Leisure Centre were created by old Labour run Council under the excellent leadership of Dr. Alan Whitehead, in which I had the opportunity to serve.

Old Labour was very proud for providing facilities which could be beneficial for people’s the health near their local communities, so that people do not have to travel to city for access.

Some of us who left the Conservatised NuLabour and other decent people within even ‘Dear Leader’ Williams led party who still believe in old Labour values are simply shocked to see that some of our proud achievements of Whitehead times are under threat from the current crop of extremely arrogant mob nationally led by Milliband and locally by his supporter the ‘Dear Leader’.

Isn’t it sad that facilities which survived the cuts of even Tories are now under threat when the Council is run by the party which still exploits the good name of ‘Labour’ for getting votes; because not many will touch them even with a barge pole if they field candidates as ‘New Labour’?

Please stop concentrating your appeal for support from only Lordshill. Appeal to all the decent and honest people who are opposed to these cruel heartless and monstrous cuts. If you co-ordinate your campaign with victims of other unnecessary cuts I think your chances of success will increase. Good luck
[quote][p][bold]lordshill loyal[/bold] wrote: to the people of lordshill fight this closure[/p][/quote]I do not use the pool concerned, (because I swim like lead brick!), and live just on the edge of Lordshill, YES if you start a campaign for saving this community facility under threat I will support that, no doubt if not all many others will also do the same. Swimming pool at Oaklands and Bitterne Leisure Centre were created by old Labour run Council under the excellent leadership of Dr. Alan Whitehead, in which I had the opportunity to serve. Old Labour was very proud for providing facilities which could be beneficial for people’s the health near their local communities, so that people do not have to travel to city for access. Some of us who left the Conservatised NuLabour and other decent people within even ‘Dear Leader’ Williams led party who still believe in old Labour values are simply shocked to see that some of our proud achievements of Whitehead times are under threat from the current crop of extremely arrogant mob nationally led by Milliband and locally by his supporter the ‘Dear Leader’. Isn’t it sad that facilities which survived the cuts of even Tories are now under threat when the Council is run by the party which still exploits the good name of ‘Labour’ for getting votes; because not many will touch them even with a barge pole if they field candidates as ‘New Labour’? Please stop concentrating your appeal for support from only Lordshill. Appeal to all the decent and honest people who are opposed to these cruel heartless and monstrous cuts. If you co-ordinate your campaign with victims of other unnecessary cuts I think your chances of success will increase. Good luck Paramjit Bahia
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10:23pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
Linesman wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession. Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.
Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour! > When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank! > It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!!
Same statement different day. Quantify successful councils please? Those non unitary authorities that still submit to Hampshire? or Those who have higher council tax than Southampton? Come George4th you been saying the same thing since before the election, please enlighten me, if you can? For your information the last Labour Government handling of the worldwide economic crisis had full cross party support in the House of Commons, yes George4th Tories and all.
My point exactly. What do you expect from the offspring of George de Turd.
Lol love the George the Turd offspring jibe
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour are a disgrace. Labour are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but Labour think it is ok to fool the public. Labour won and the public lost. Lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Does that also apply to Cameron and Osborne who campaigned on the country's financial state, thanks to Labour, and thanks to their mismanagement, we are now in a double-dip recession. Tories are a disgrace. Tories are a terrible advert for the young. Lying is wrong, but the Tories think it is ok to fool the public. Tories won and the public lost. lets hope decent working people remember this at the next election.[/p][/quote]Strange how Southampton is totally surrounded by successful council after council and none of them are Labour! > When we get Labour we get to go backwards - the Labour Party has more reverse gears than an Italian Tank! > It was the last Labour government who brought us to the point of bankruptcy, just as they did when they were in government the time before. Do you want them to do it a 3rd time just to prove the point?!![/p][/quote]Same statement different day. Quantify successful councils please? Those non unitary authorities that still submit to Hampshire? or Those who have higher council tax than Southampton? Come George4th you been saying the same thing since before the election, please enlighten me, if you can? For your information the last Labour Government handling of the worldwide economic crisis had full cross party support in the House of Commons, yes George4th Tories and all.[/p][/quote]My point exactly. What do you expect from the offspring of George de Turd.[/p][/quote]Lol love the George the Turd offspring jibe Over the Edge
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12:11am Tue 3 Jul 12

stay local says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong?

Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't.

'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.'

I suppose that's made up as well!

Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts.

You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.
You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts.
You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys.
so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda.
And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.
So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone???
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.[/p][/quote]Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.[/p][/quote]You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts. You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys. so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda. And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.[/p][/quote]So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone??? stay local
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12:33am Tue 3 Jul 12

OceansofRed says...

And over the edge, just for some balance, Labour increased public spending before the recession.

The issue here is that locally the tories kept the swimming pools, libraries and surestarts open.

Labour promised to pay council workers more money.

That money has to be paid for.

So a swimming pool is being closed.
And over the edge, just for some balance, Labour increased public spending before the recession. The issue here is that locally the tories kept the swimming pools, libraries and surestarts open. Labour promised to pay council workers more money. That money has to be paid for. So a swimming pool is being closed. OceansofRed
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1:21am Tue 3 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong?

Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't.

'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.'

I suppose that's made up as well!

Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts.

You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.
You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts.
You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys.
so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda.
And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.
So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone???
Southy has never claimed to be spokesman of TUSC. He is one of many supporters of TUSC and has always opposed ‘cuts’ which ever political party in power implements those Southy has made clear he will oppose a matter of principle. So I think any cheap pot shots at him are unfair.

As a democrat Southy has also respected the result of elections he stood in. Just because he was not successful, does not mean that his right to express his sincerely held views should be curtailed. His rights should also be respected same way as we respect the rights of those from parties of right.

Throughout history powerful people have often ridiculed progressive and radical ideas and harassed those who dared to speak against establishments, only to regret when those establishments themselves and their fans end up in hitting the dust.

So I am glad that in typical tradition of radicalism, progressive minded socialist Southy keeps on his honest flag flying high. So everybody knows what he stands for, which cannot be said about many members of our established political class.

Although I do not belong to any political party and not even to TUSC, if they decide to protest against darling of self effacing NuLabour councillor’s Dear Leader Williams run Council I will with pride join them out side Civic Centre.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.[/p][/quote]Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.[/p][/quote]You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts. You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys. so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda. And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.[/p][/quote]So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone???[/p][/quote]Southy has never claimed to be spokesman of TUSC. He is one of many supporters of TUSC and has always opposed ‘cuts’ which ever political party in power implements those Southy has made clear he will oppose a matter of principle. So I think any cheap pot shots at him are unfair. As a democrat Southy has also respected the result of elections he stood in. Just because he was not successful, does not mean that his right to express his sincerely held views should be curtailed. His rights should also be respected same way as we respect the rights of those from parties of right. Throughout history powerful people have often ridiculed progressive and radical ideas and harassed those who dared to speak against establishments, only to regret when those establishments themselves and their fans end up in hitting the dust. So I am glad that in typical tradition of radicalism, progressive minded socialist Southy keeps on his honest flag flying high. So everybody knows what he stands for, which cannot be said about many members of our established political class. Although I do not belong to any political party and not even to TUSC, if they decide to protest against darling of self effacing NuLabour councillor’s Dear Leader Williams run Council I will with pride join them out side Civic Centre. Paramjit Bahia
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9:33am Tue 3 Jul 12

RubBin says...

Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour. RubBin
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10:22am Tue 3 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

RubBin wrote:
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.
[quote][p][bold]RubBin[/bold] wrote: Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.[/p][/quote]..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change. OSPREYSAINT
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10:25am Tue 3 Jul 12

aldermoorboy says...

Labour councillors should/would have looked at the books, they cannot make any excuses. They should not have promised what they could not deliver ( that is misleading the public or lying ).
The next thing we will find out is whether the strikes were just to get labour back in power, if they don't strike now we will no the truth. Labour can then be accused of using union bullies to hurt the public. Shame on you Labour you do not deserve to run this great city.What an example to set for our young people.
Labour councillors should/would have looked at the books, they cannot make any excuses. They should not have promised what they could not deliver ( that is misleading the public or lying ). The next thing we will find out is whether the strikes were just to get labour back in power, if they don't strike now we will no the truth. Labour can then be accused of using union bullies to hurt the public. Shame on you Labour you do not deserve to run this great city.What an example to set for our young people. aldermoorboy
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10:50am Tue 3 Jul 12

stay local says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong?

Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't.

'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.'

I suppose that's made up as well!

Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts.

You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.
You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts.
You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys.
so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda.
And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.
So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone???
Southy has never claimed to be spokesman of TUSC. He is one of many supporters of TUSC and has always opposed ‘cuts’ which ever political party in power implements those Southy has made clear he will oppose a matter of principle. So I think any cheap pot shots at him are unfair.

As a democrat Southy has also respected the result of elections he stood in. Just because he was not successful, does not mean that his right to express his sincerely held views should be curtailed. His rights should also be respected same way as we respect the rights of those from parties of right.

Throughout history powerful people have often ridiculed progressive and radical ideas and harassed those who dared to speak against establishments, only to regret when those establishments themselves and their fans end up in hitting the dust.

So I am glad that in typical tradition of radicalism, progressive minded socialist Southy keeps on his honest flag flying high. So everybody knows what he stands for, which cannot be said about many members of our established political class.

Although I do not belong to any political party and not even to TUSC, if they decide to protest against darling of self effacing NuLabour councillor’s Dear Leader Williams run Council I will with pride join them out side Civic Centre.
So as a non-member of the TUSC you can confirm that the twice defeated candidate for the TUSC or TUAC (depending upon which horse he is backing) is not speaking on their behalf? You only have to review his comments on the many stories in the Echo to see that he is speaking on behalf of the TUSC and on many occasions failing to make a positive impact. {Look back at his recommendations to remove jobs form the Southampton area. Echo comments by Southy 7:09pm Sun 1 Nov 09} With a slight hint of reality you acknowledge that there will have to be cuts in staffing and services to meet the budget limitations, yet defend Southy’s ideals of no job cuts. Whilst it is good to see your follow the words of Voltaire, you fail to point out to him the clear stupidity of his musings. He argued that the planned cuts in salary would affect those on the lowest levels of salary, when it was clearly stated that this would only apply to those on higher salaries.

As for his other comments look back on ‘the wobble of the earth’ landslips caused by dredging in the solent’ The SBS ‘s secret air rifles’ The secret ice rink of Bideford (which has moved to the coast)’ the evidence of vaccine damage reported to him by a bloke he met fishing on a bridge at redbridge’ If you were a member of the TUSC do you really think he is a good representative and positive figurehead or perhaps an irrelevant joke??
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.[/p][/quote]Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.[/p][/quote]You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts. You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys. so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda. And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.[/p][/quote]So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone???[/p][/quote]Southy has never claimed to be spokesman of TUSC. He is one of many supporters of TUSC and has always opposed ‘cuts’ which ever political party in power implements those Southy has made clear he will oppose a matter of principle. So I think any cheap pot shots at him are unfair. As a democrat Southy has also respected the result of elections he stood in. Just because he was not successful, does not mean that his right to express his sincerely held views should be curtailed. His rights should also be respected same way as we respect the rights of those from parties of right. Throughout history powerful people have often ridiculed progressive and radical ideas and harassed those who dared to speak against establishments, only to regret when those establishments themselves and their fans end up in hitting the dust. So I am glad that in typical tradition of radicalism, progressive minded socialist Southy keeps on his honest flag flying high. So everybody knows what he stands for, which cannot be said about many members of our established political class. Although I do not belong to any political party and not even to TUSC, if they decide to protest against darling of self effacing NuLabour councillor’s Dear Leader Williams run Council I will with pride join them out side Civic Centre.[/p][/quote]So as a non-member of the TUSC you can confirm that the twice defeated candidate for the TUSC or TUAC (depending upon which horse he is backing) is not speaking on their behalf? You only have to review his comments on the many stories in the Echo to see that he is speaking on behalf of the TUSC and on many occasions failing to make a positive impact. {Look back at his recommendations to remove jobs form the Southampton area. Echo comments by Southy 7:09pm Sun 1 Nov 09} With a slight hint of reality you acknowledge that there will have to be cuts in staffing and services to meet the budget limitations, yet defend Southy’s ideals of no job cuts. Whilst it is good to see your follow the words of Voltaire, you fail to point out to him the clear stupidity of his musings. He argued that the planned cuts in salary would affect those on the lowest levels of salary, when it was clearly stated that this would only apply to those on higher salaries. As for his other comments look back on ‘the wobble of the earth’ landslips caused by dredging in the solent’ The SBS ‘s secret air rifles’ The secret ice rink of Bideford (which has moved to the coast)’ the evidence of vaccine damage reported to him by a bloke he met fishing on a bridge at redbridge’ If you were a member of the TUSC do you really think he is a good representative and positive figurehead or perhaps an irrelevant joke?? stay local
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10:50am Tue 3 Jul 12

RubBin says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RubBin wrote:
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.
Don't think we had Gordon Brown on our team mate.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RubBin[/bold] wrote: Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.[/p][/quote]..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.[/p][/quote]Don't think we had Gordon Brown on our team mate. RubBin
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10:53am Tue 3 Jul 12

RubBin says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour councillors should/would have looked at the books, they cannot make any excuses. They should not have promised what they could not deliver ( that is misleading the public or lying ).
The next thing we will find out is whether the strikes were just to get labour back in power, if they don't strike now we will no the truth. Labour can then be accused of using union bullies to hurt the public. Shame on you Labour you do not deserve to run this great city.What an example to set for our young people.
I agree, essentially this is stockholm syndrome.

People are obviously regretting decisions to vote labour in, we'll see if labour has a good old fashioned strike. Personally we should get those who voted labour in to take over then bins if they do. Punishment.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour councillors should/would have looked at the books, they cannot make any excuses. They should not have promised what they could not deliver ( that is misleading the public or lying ). The next thing we will find out is whether the strikes were just to get labour back in power, if they don't strike now we will no the truth. Labour can then be accused of using union bullies to hurt the public. Shame on you Labour you do not deserve to run this great city.What an example to set for our young people.[/p][/quote]I agree, essentially this is stockholm syndrome. People are obviously regretting decisions to vote labour in, we'll see if labour has a good old fashioned strike. Personally we should get those who voted labour in to take over then bins if they do. Punishment. RubBin
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11:11am Tue 3 Jul 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RubBin wrote:
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.
Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council?
The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North.
This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about.
so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RubBin[/bold] wrote: Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.[/p][/quote]..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.[/p][/quote]Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council? The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North. This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about. so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives? loosehead
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11:11am Tue 3 Jul 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RubBin wrote:
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.
Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council?
The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North.
This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about.
so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RubBin[/bold] wrote: Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.[/p][/quote]..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.[/p][/quote]Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council? The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North. This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about. so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives? loosehead
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11:11am Tue 3 Jul 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RubBin wrote:
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.
Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council?
The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North.
This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about.
so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RubBin[/bold] wrote: Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.[/p][/quote]..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.[/p][/quote]Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council? The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North. This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about. so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives? loosehead
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11:11am Tue 3 Jul 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RubBin wrote:
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.
Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council?
The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North.
This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about.
so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RubBin[/bold] wrote: Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.[/p][/quote]..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.[/p][/quote]Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council? The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North. This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about. so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives? loosehead
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11:11am Tue 3 Jul 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RubBin wrote:
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.
Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council?
The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North.
This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about.
so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RubBin[/bold] wrote: Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.[/p][/quote]..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.[/p][/quote]Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council? The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North. This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about. so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives? loosehead
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11:11am Tue 3 Jul 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RubBin wrote:
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.
Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council?
The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North.
This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about.
so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RubBin[/bold] wrote: Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.[/p][/quote]..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.[/p][/quote]Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council? The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North. This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about. so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives? loosehead
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11:11am Tue 3 Jul 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RubBin wrote:
Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months.
--------
Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.
..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.
Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council?
The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North.
This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about.
so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RubBin[/bold] wrote: Councillor Simon Letts, Cabinet Member for Resources, said: “We inherited a very difficult budget position and need to take some very hard decisions in the coming months. -------- Just like the tories inherited a rubbish situation from labour.[/p][/quote]..who in turn inherited a mess from the previous incumbents, some things never change.[/p][/quote]Exactly how long were Labour in power as either the majority council or in partnership with the Liberals before the latest Tory council? The Last Labour Government stole £25million from this city's budget to give up North. This bought about the privatising of most sports & leisure facilities which Labour went mad about. so what was it 25 years or more? come on you Font of all knowledge let us see who messed up this city for a huge part of our lives? loosehead
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11:21am Tue 3 Jul 12

Torchie1 says...

stay local wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong?

Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't.

'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.'

I suppose that's made up as well!

Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts.

You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.
You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts.
You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys.
so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda.
And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.
So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone???
Southy has never claimed to be spokesman of TUSC. He is one of many supporters of TUSC and has always opposed ‘cuts’ which ever political party in power implements those Southy has made clear he will oppose a matter of principle. So I think any cheap pot shots at him are unfair.

As a democrat Southy has also respected the result of elections he stood in. Just because he was not successful, does not mean that his right to express his sincerely held views should be curtailed. His rights should also be respected same way as we respect the rights of those from parties of right.

Throughout history powerful people have often ridiculed progressive and radical ideas and harassed those who dared to speak against establishments, only to regret when those establishments themselves and their fans end up in hitting the dust.

So I am glad that in typical tradition of radicalism, progressive minded socialist Southy keeps on his honest flag flying high. So everybody knows what he stands for, which cannot be said about many members of our established political class.

Although I do not belong to any political party and not even to TUSC, if they decide to protest against darling of self effacing NuLabour councillor’s Dear Leader Williams run Council I will with pride join them out side Civic Centre.
So as a non-member of the TUSC you can confirm that the twice defeated candidate for the TUSC or TUAC (depending upon which horse he is backing) is not speaking on their behalf? You only have to review his comments on the many stories in the Echo to see that he is speaking on behalf of the TUSC and on many occasions failing to make a positive impact. {Look back at his recommendations to remove jobs form the Southampton area. Echo comments by Southy 7:09pm Sun 1 Nov 09} With a slight hint of reality you acknowledge that there will have to be cuts in staffing and services to meet the budget limitations, yet defend Southy’s ideals of no job cuts. Whilst it is good to see your follow the words of Voltaire, you fail to point out to him the clear stupidity of his musings. He argued that the planned cuts in salary would affect those on the lowest levels of salary, when it was clearly stated that this would only apply to those on higher salaries.

As for his other comments look back on ‘the wobble of the earth’ landslips caused by dredging in the solent’ The SBS ‘s secret air rifles’ The secret ice rink of Bideford (which has moved to the coast)’ the evidence of vaccine damage reported to him by a bloke he met fishing on a bridge at redbridge’ If you were a member of the TUSC do you really think he is a good representative and positive figurehead or perhaps an irrelevant joke??
I imagine there must be a similar silly streak running through the entire membership of this fringe party or someone would have tapped him on the shoulder and pointed out that his ramblings are not helping the cause. On the positive side the drivel that he spouts is really funny and brightens up an otherwise dull list of stories.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.[/p][/quote]Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.[/p][/quote]You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts. You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys. so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda. And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.[/p][/quote]So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone???[/p][/quote]Southy has never claimed to be spokesman of TUSC. He is one of many supporters of TUSC and has always opposed ‘cuts’ which ever political party in power implements those Southy has made clear he will oppose a matter of principle. So I think any cheap pot shots at him are unfair. As a democrat Southy has also respected the result of elections he stood in. Just because he was not successful, does not mean that his right to express his sincerely held views should be curtailed. His rights should also be respected same way as we respect the rights of those from parties of right. Throughout history powerful people have often ridiculed progressive and radical ideas and harassed those who dared to speak against establishments, only to regret when those establishments themselves and their fans end up in hitting the dust. So I am glad that in typical tradition of radicalism, progressive minded socialist Southy keeps on his honest flag flying high. So everybody knows what he stands for, which cannot be said about many members of our established political class. Although I do not belong to any political party and not even to TUSC, if they decide to protest against darling of self effacing NuLabour councillor’s Dear Leader Williams run Council I will with pride join them out side Civic Centre.[/p][/quote]So as a non-member of the TUSC you can confirm that the twice defeated candidate for the TUSC or TUAC (depending upon which horse he is backing) is not speaking on their behalf? You only have to review his comments on the many stories in the Echo to see that he is speaking on behalf of the TUSC and on many occasions failing to make a positive impact. {Look back at his recommendations to remove jobs form the Southampton area. Echo comments by Southy 7:09pm Sun 1 Nov 09} With a slight hint of reality you acknowledge that there will have to be cuts in staffing and services to meet the budget limitations, yet defend Southy’s ideals of no job cuts. Whilst it is good to see your follow the words of Voltaire, you fail to point out to him the clear stupidity of his musings. He argued that the planned cuts in salary would affect those on the lowest levels of salary, when it was clearly stated that this would only apply to those on higher salaries. As for his other comments look back on ‘the wobble of the earth’ landslips caused by dredging in the solent’ The SBS ‘s secret air rifles’ The secret ice rink of Bideford (which has moved to the coast)’ the evidence of vaccine damage reported to him by a bloke he met fishing on a bridge at redbridge’ If you were a member of the TUSC do you really think he is a good representative and positive figurehead or perhaps an irrelevant joke??[/p][/quote]I imagine there must be a similar silly streak running through the entire membership of this fringe party or someone would have tapped him on the shoulder and pointed out that his ramblings are not helping the cause. On the positive side the drivel that he spouts is really funny and brightens up an otherwise dull list of stories. Torchie1
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12:26pm Tue 3 Jul 12

freefinker says...

Torchie1 wrote:
stay local wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.
Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong?

Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't.

'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.'

I suppose that's made up as well!

Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts.

You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.
You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts.
You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys.
so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda.
And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.
So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone???
Southy has never claimed to be spokesman of TUSC. He is one of many supporters of TUSC and has always opposed ‘cuts’ which ever political party in power implements those Southy has made clear he will oppose a matter of principle. So I think any cheap pot shots at him are unfair.

As a democrat Southy has also respected the result of elections he stood in. Just because he was not successful, does not mean that his right to express his sincerely held views should be curtailed. His rights should also be respected same way as we respect the rights of those from parties of right.

Throughout history powerful people have often ridiculed progressive and radical ideas and harassed those who dared to speak against establishments, only to regret when those establishments themselves and their fans end up in hitting the dust.

So I am glad that in typical tradition of radicalism, progressive minded socialist Southy keeps on his honest flag flying high. So everybody knows what he stands for, which cannot be said about many members of our established political class.

Although I do not belong to any political party and not even to TUSC, if they decide to protest against darling of self effacing NuLabour councillor’s Dear Leader Williams run Council I will with pride join them out side Civic Centre.
So as a non-member of the TUSC you can confirm that the twice defeated candidate for the TUSC or TUAC (depending upon which horse he is backing) is not speaking on their behalf? You only have to review his comments on the many stories in the Echo to see that he is speaking on behalf of the TUSC and on many occasions failing to make a positive impact. {Look back at his recommendations to remove jobs form the Southampton area. Echo comments by Southy 7:09pm Sun 1 Nov 09} With a slight hint of reality you acknowledge that there will have to be cuts in staffing and services to meet the budget limitations, yet defend Southy’s ideals of no job cuts. Whilst it is good to see your follow the words of Voltaire, you fail to point out to him the clear stupidity of his musings. He argued that the planned cuts in salary would affect those on the lowest levels of salary, when it was clearly stated that this would only apply to those on higher salaries.

As for his other comments look back on ‘the wobble of the earth’ landslips caused by dredging in the solent’ The SBS ‘s secret air rifles’ The secret ice rink of Bideford (which has moved to the coast)’ the evidence of vaccine damage reported to him by a bloke he met fishing on a bridge at redbridge’ If you were a member of the TUSC do you really think he is a good representative and positive figurehead or perhaps an irrelevant joke??
I imagine there must be a similar silly streak running through the entire membership of this fringe party or someone would have tapped him on the shoulder and pointed out that his ramblings are not helping the cause. On the positive side the drivel that he spouts is really funny and brightens up an otherwise dull list of stories.
.. quite agree.

Anyway, let’s add to the list: -
His secret copy of Magna Carta.
63.3% of Northern Irish population are under the age of 18.
The non-existence of Tax-free savings.
Solar years.
The infamous ‘sea current race’.
Scottish Parliament election results.
The EC 1975 Referendum wording.
The Moon causes earthquakes.
The inability to understand the definition of “economically inactive”.
Sulphur biggest cause of cancer.
Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago.
A total inability to distinguish sparrow species.
Telling untruths about TUSC election results.
Total inability to understand GDP to debt ratios.

I’ll stop there, but if anyone wants the link I’m happy to oblige.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: peenut81 got you sum up Shoong and others like you.[/p][/quote]Hang on, are the DE not reporting what has happened? I wonder how this article would be worded in a Socialist Workers Party newsletter or rag? Will we see a retraction from the DE later on apologising for getting it's facts wrong? Wait: if you close your eyes really, really tightly and say to yourself 'none of it happened' 100 times perhaps you can convince yourself that it actually didn't. 'In total, Southampton City Council needs to make savings of £65m over the next two years to close the budget deficit.' I suppose that's made up as well! Don't take too kindly to facts do you? No amount of Extreme Leftist propaganda will change the facts. You're a hypocrite and a parasite, which I hope is plain to see for everyone.[/p][/quote]You see Shoong how many times have I told you I am not a member or have any thing to do with the so-call Socialist that call them selfs Socialist Workers Party, there is nothing Socialist about the SWP down here on the South Coasts. You want facts £65 million is the Torys Figure and not any other Political party, and it will not close the Budget Deficit at all, so please at lest try and get some thing right for once will you, £65 million that the Tory Party wants to save over the next 2 years and is only part of a 4 year program, Labour Party wants to save 2 million less than the Torys do over the next 2 years a saving of about 100 jobs less than the Torys. so lets get the facts right shall we Shoong and not your Extreme Right Wing False Capitalist Propaganda. And me being a Center to Left person I think I would trust those extreme left wing than I would any Capitalist.[/p][/quote]So Southy as a member of the TUSC (their local spokesman) and the potential yet unelectable candidate for Redbridge. Will you be following the written policies of your coalition and be picketing the steps of the civic centre with your phone box massive. To protest against the cuts {from tusc web site..''TUSC will oppose all cuts to council jobs''} or is it a case of one man one job and you will be there all alone???[/p][/quote]Southy has never claimed to be spokesman of TUSC. He is one of many supporters of TUSC and has always opposed ‘cuts’ which ever political party in power implements those Southy has made clear he will oppose a matter of principle. So I think any cheap pot shots at him are unfair. As a democrat Southy has also respected the result of elections he stood in. Just because he was not successful, does not mean that his right to express his sincerely held views should be curtailed. His rights should also be respected same way as we respect the rights of those from parties of right. Throughout history powerful people have often ridiculed progressive and radical ideas and harassed those who dared to speak against establishments, only to regret when those establishments themselves and their fans end up in hitting the dust. So I am glad that in typical tradition of radicalism, progressive minded socialist Southy keeps on his honest flag flying high. So everybody knows what he stands for, which cannot be said about many members of our established political class. Although I do not belong to any political party and not even to TUSC, if they decide to protest against darling of self effacing NuLabour councillor’s Dear Leader Williams run Council I will with pride join them out side Civic Centre.[/p][/quote]So as a non-member of the TUSC you can confirm that the twice defeated candidate for the TUSC or TUAC (depending upon which horse he is backing) is not speaking on their behalf? You only have to review his comments on the many stories in the Echo to see that he is speaking on behalf of the TUSC and on many occasions failing to make a positive impact. {Look back at his recommendations to remove jobs form the Southampton area. Echo comments by Southy 7:09pm Sun 1 Nov 09} With a slight hint of reality you acknowledge that there will have to be cuts in staffing and services to meet the budget limitations, yet defend Southy’s ideals of no job cuts. Whilst it is good to see your follow the words of Voltaire, you fail to point out to him the clear stupidity of his musings. He argued that the planned cuts in salary would affect those on the lowest levels of salary, when it was clearly stated that this would only apply to those on higher salaries. As for his other comments look back on ‘the wobble of the earth’ landslips caused by dredging in the solent’ The SBS ‘s secret air rifles’ The secret ice rink of Bideford (which has moved to the coast)’ the evidence of vaccine damage reported to him by a bloke he met fishing on a bridge at redbridge’ If you were a member of the TUSC do you really think he is a good representative and positive figurehead or perhaps an irrelevant joke??[/p][/quote]I imagine there must be a similar silly streak running through the entire membership of this fringe party or someone would have tapped him on the shoulder and pointed out that his ramblings are not helping the cause. On the positive side the drivel that he spouts is really funny and brightens up an otherwise dull list of stories.[/p][/quote].. quite agree. Anyway, let’s add to the list: - His secret copy of Magna Carta. 63.3% of Northern Irish population are under the age of 18. The non-existence of Tax-free savings. Solar years. The infamous ‘sea current race’. Scottish Parliament election results. The EC 1975 Referendum wording. The Moon causes earthquakes. The inability to understand the definition of “economically inactive”. Sulphur biggest cause of cancer. Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago. A total inability to distinguish sparrow species. Telling untruths about TUSC election results. Total inability to understand GDP to debt ratios. I’ll stop there, but if anyone wants the link I’m happy to oblige. freefinker
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8:59am Wed 4 Jul 12

RICK ALLANACH. says...

It's quite unbelievable that any decent caring person could ever contemplate voting Labour ever again.

Anyone with a brain can clearly see that the Conservatives took measures that would ease the pain of the cuts.

But we know Labours sleazy dirty tactics. They would rather people lost their jobs and front line services disappear than ask the staff to take pay cuts. This is what they are doing up and down the country.

At least Royston and the Conservatives had vision and the guts to be honest with people.

The Tory's clearly come out of this with their heads held high.

When the press wanted to interview Royston, he was always there even in difficult times.

Williams (Labour) and his council cronies remain unavailable for comment however.

Labours answer is, if they can't lie to us, keep your mouths shut, which is the same as lying.
It's quite unbelievable that any decent caring person could ever contemplate voting Labour ever again. Anyone with a brain can clearly see that the Conservatives took measures that would ease the pain of the cuts. But we know Labours sleazy dirty tactics. They would rather people lost their jobs and front line services disappear than ask the staff to take pay cuts. This is what they are doing up and down the country. At least Royston and the Conservatives had vision and the guts to be honest with people. The Tory's clearly come out of this with their heads held high. When the press wanted to interview Royston, he was always there even in difficult times. Williams (Labour) and his council cronies remain unavailable for comment however. Labours answer is, if they can't lie to us, keep your mouths shut, which is the same as lying. RICK ALLANACH.
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5:24pm Wed 4 Jul 12

dave1958 says...

misbehaving wrote:
dave1958 wrote:
What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like.
I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that.
So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.
Just checked the records at police aithority. councellor Moulton voted against police stations closures councellor Raymond voted to close them. why do you say things that are not true?
Misbehaving perhaps you should check the correct minutes of the Police Authority held on 23 June 2011, at Staple Gardens, headquarters of Hampshire Police Authority.
Quote: Item 11, pages 5-9 the relevant paragraphs from the minutes are:
Resolved:
(a) That, in order to meet the needs of the Force Change Programme, the Authority approves the rationalisation of its estate; the development of four new custody centres; the specification of a core headquarters; and the amendment of the capital programme.
(b) That the search for a suitable location for the core headquarters is not restricted to the Winchester area.
(c) That the Authority approves that no police station will be decommissioned until such time as the Safer Neighbourhood Team in that building is provided with suitable local premises. Any proposal to close a police station should also be cognisant of the decisions taken following the Front Office Review.
(d) That the Authority approves the disposal strategy provided in the report.
(e) That the Authority delegates responsibility for the disposal of some properties to the Finance Committee, which will determine the thresholds before referring to the full Authority.
(f) That the Authority approves the use of £250,000 to procure the resources necessary to commence the programme brief and detailed specifications. Authority is delegated to the Finance Committee if this amount is insufficient.
(g) That a paper be taken to the Authority on 27 September 2011 outlining all the options available for a core headquarters.
(h) That a paper be taken to the Authority on 27 September 2011 identifying the most cost effective procurement of the new custody estate.

Councillor Moulton, Councillor Woodward, Mr Carr, ACC Nicholson and Mr Stickler left the meeting.
All this can be checked out by doing a Freedom of Information Act request to Hampshire Police Authority. I hope this satisfies you that what I was saying is correct, and that members of the general public have not necessarily been told the truth. You will notice that the minutes show no recorded vote. To everyone present at the meeting would have voted for the decisions that were made, otherwise they would have asked for it to be recorded that they voted against it, and the minutes would have said that the paper was agreed by a majority.
[quote][p][bold]misbehaving[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: What really annoys me about these threads where all the Tories come out and say that the sun shines out the backside of Royston, he walks on water and he and his party have never mislead the people of Southampton, but do we see any of you standing in the local elections to become a councillor, NO the only people that I clearly can be identified as being either a candidate or former councillors are Southy who even though I disagree with his point of view, at least he had the guts to stand for the council, and did not do badly in Redbridge. And Parmi, who I have personally known, I don’t always agree with his point of view, but at least he knows what it like to be a councillor and to have to make decisions even when times were good, that members of the general public do not like. I don’t see any of your Tories coming out and having ago at Cllr J. Moulton for misleading the public by saying he voted against the closure of police stations in Hampshire. Check the records on this and you will find that he voted FOR the closure of them. How misleading is that. So come the local elections in 2014, we will see the likes of George IV, Aldermoor Boy, Loose head, Condor Man all standing as Conservative Candidates somewhere in the City. If they are able to fulfil the requirements to stand. Then perhaps if you are successful and get elected you may actually see what it is like to run the Council, and have to make all the decisions, instruct officers what you want them to do. Then go and tell members of your ward, why you are closing some local amenity, and then to top all get The Echo to put their political spin on the story, which may not necessarily be the true spin.[/p][/quote]Just checked the records at police aithority. councellor Moulton voted against police stations closures councellor Raymond voted to close them. why do you say things that are not true?[/p][/quote]Misbehaving perhaps you should check the correct minutes of the Police Authority held on 23 June 2011, at Staple Gardens, headquarters of Hampshire Police Authority. Quote: Item 11, pages 5-9 the relevant paragraphs from the minutes are: Resolved: (a) That, in order to meet the needs of the Force Change Programme, the Authority approves the rationalisation of its estate; the development of four new custody centres; the specification of a core headquarters; and the amendment of the capital programme. (b) That the search for a suitable location for the core headquarters is not restricted to the Winchester area. (c) That the Authority approves that no police station will be decommissioned until such time as the Safer Neighbourhood Team in that building is provided with suitable local premises. Any proposal to close a police station should also be cognisant of the decisions taken following the Front Office Review. (d) That the Authority approves the disposal strategy provided in the report. (e) That the Authority delegates responsibility for the disposal of some properties to the Finance Committee, which will determine the thresholds before referring to the full Authority. (f) That the Authority approves the use of £250,000 to procure the resources necessary to commence the programme brief and detailed specifications. Authority is delegated to the Finance Committee if this amount is insufficient. (g) That a paper be taken to the Authority on 27 September 2011 outlining all the options available for a core headquarters. (h) That a paper be taken to the Authority on 27 September 2011 identifying the most cost effective procurement of the new custody estate. Councillor Moulton, Councillor Woodward, Mr Carr, ACC Nicholson and Mr Stickler left the meeting. All this can be checked out by doing a Freedom of Information Act request to Hampshire Police Authority. I hope this satisfies you that what I was saying is correct, and that members of the general public have not necessarily been told the truth. You will notice that the minutes show no recorded vote. To everyone present at the meeting would have voted for the decisions that were made, otherwise they would have asked for it to be recorded that they voted against it, and the minutes would have said that the paper was agreed by a majority. dave1958
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8:46pm Thu 5 Jul 12

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