Victory for campaign to save children's heart unit

Staff celebrate victory in the campaign to save the children's heart unit.

The moment staff heard the decision.

Patient Aaron Prior celebrates with the contingent who travelled to London.

First published in News

YOU spoke – and they listened.

Last night the hopes of 250,000 people who signed the Daily Echo’s Have a Heart petition came true.

Health chiefs delivered their decision on the future of children’s heart surgery in Southampton – and it was a huge vote of confidence in the life-saving work of medical staff at the city unit.

The reprieve was welcomed by campaigners and mdical staff who had fought for nearly 18 months to secure the surgical centre’s future.

Last February the unit was given just a 25 per cent chance of survival as NHS bosses looked to cut the UK’s 11 units down to six or seven.

However campaigners never gave us the battle which culminated in the Daily Echo heading to Downing Street to hand over its 250,000-signature petition last June.

TO READ MORE ON THE BATTLE TO SAVE THE HEART UNIT CLICK THE LINK

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8:01am Thu 5 Jul 12

chunky_lover says...

Excellent news Dr Salmon & co.

Truly great news.
Excellent news Dr Salmon & co. Truly great news. chunky_lover
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8:56am Thu 5 Jul 12

snapperdownunder says...

Excellent news for an excellent hospital.
Excellent news for an excellent hospital. snapperdownunder
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11:38am Thu 5 Jul 12

southy says...

It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.
It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people. southy
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12:29pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.
That's not the whole story though is it?

There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated.

The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups.

So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.[/p][/quote]That's not the whole story though is it? There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated. The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups. So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity. Shoong
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12:49pm Thu 5 Jul 12

margie933 says...

Wonderful news. So pleased. Well done to all who have worked so hard to save children's lives.
Wonderful news. So pleased. Well done to all who have worked so hard to save children's lives. margie933
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1:39pm Thu 5 Jul 12

downfader says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.
That's not the whole story though is it?

There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated.

The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups.

So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.
So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care?

Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school.

It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures.

The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.[/p][/quote]That's not the whole story though is it? There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated. The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups. So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.[/p][/quote]So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care? Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school. It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures. The moral high ground is entirely appropriate. downfader
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2:41pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Shoong says...

downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.
That's not the whole story though is it?

There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated.

The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups.

So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.
So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care?

Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school.

It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures.

The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.
Your right, it is.

But not when it used to promote your own political agenda.

I have sympathy for those affected, of course.

But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients.

I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery

Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.[/p][/quote]That's not the whole story though is it? There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated. The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups. So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.[/p][/quote]So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care? Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school. It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures. The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.[/p][/quote]Your right, it is. But not when it used to promote your own political agenda. I have sympathy for those affected, of course. But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients. I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not. Shoong
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3:07pm Thu 5 Jul 12

downfader says...

Shoong wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.
That's not the whole story though is it?

There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated.

The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups.

So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.
So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care?

Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school.

It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures.

The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.
Your right, it is.

But not when it used to promote your own political agenda.

I have sympathy for those affected, of course.

But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients.

I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery

Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.
They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies.

And yes, even Doctors can be wrong.

Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout.

The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.[/p][/quote]That's not the whole story though is it? There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated. The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups. So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.[/p][/quote]So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care? Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school. It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures. The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.[/p][/quote]Your right, it is. But not when it used to promote your own political agenda. I have sympathy for those affected, of course. But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients. I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.[/p][/quote]They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies. And yes, even Doctors can be wrong. Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout. The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face. downfader
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3:09pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Shoong says...

downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.
That's not the whole story though is it?

There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated.

The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups.

So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.
So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care?

Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school.

It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures.

The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.
Your right, it is.

But not when it used to promote your own political agenda.

I have sympathy for those affected, of course.

But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients.

I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery

Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.
They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies.

And yes, even Doctors can be wrong.

Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout.

The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face.
Prey tell how much you donated to this worthy cause then?
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.[/p][/quote]That's not the whole story though is it? There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated. The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups. So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.[/p][/quote]So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care? Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school. It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures. The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.[/p][/quote]Your right, it is. But not when it used to promote your own political agenda. I have sympathy for those affected, of course. But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients. I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.[/p][/quote]They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies. And yes, even Doctors can be wrong. Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout. The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face.[/p][/quote]Prey tell how much you donated to this worthy cause then? Shoong
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3:16pm Thu 5 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.
That's not the whole story though is it?

There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated.

The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups.

So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.
So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care?

Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school.

It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures.

The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.
Your right, it is.

But not when it used to promote your own political agenda.

I have sympathy for those affected, of course.

But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients.

I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery

Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.
They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies.

And yes, even Doctors can be wrong.

Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout.

The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face.
Prey tell how much you donated to this worthy cause then?
Let me inform you, because Southampton as been given life, the one that mostly concidered to be the best childrens heart hospital out of London got informed to day it as to close, this hospital is 77 miles away from us to the west.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.[/p][/quote]That's not the whole story though is it? There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated. The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups. So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.[/p][/quote]So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care? Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school. It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures. The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.[/p][/quote]Your right, it is. But not when it used to promote your own political agenda. I have sympathy for those affected, of course. But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients. I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.[/p][/quote]They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies. And yes, even Doctors can be wrong. Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout. The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face.[/p][/quote]Prey tell how much you donated to this worthy cause then?[/p][/quote]Let me inform you, because Southampton as been given life, the one that mostly concidered to be the best childrens heart hospital out of London got informed to day it as to close, this hospital is 77 miles away from us to the west. southy
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3:17pm Thu 5 Jul 12

southy says...

Money should never ever be put before people, People should all ways come first where ever it is in the world.
Money should never ever be put before people, People should all ways come first where ever it is in the world. southy
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3:20pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.
That's not the whole story though is it?

There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated.

The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups.

So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.
So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care?

Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school.

It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures.

The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.
Your right, it is.

But not when it used to promote your own political agenda.

I have sympathy for those affected, of course.

But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients.

I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery

Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.
They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies.

And yes, even Doctors can be wrong.

Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout.

The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face.
Prey tell how much you donated to this worthy cause then?
Let me inform you, because Southampton as been given life, the one that mostly concidered to be the best childrens heart hospital out of London got informed to day it as to close, this hospital is 77 miles away from us to the west.
You don't 'have to tell me anything'.

I am aware of the distance. Can we stop with the 'Let me tell you's, it doesn't make you even sound clever.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.[/p][/quote]That's not the whole story though is it? There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated. The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups. So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.[/p][/quote]So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care? Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school. It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures. The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.[/p][/quote]Your right, it is. But not when it used to promote your own political agenda. I have sympathy for those affected, of course. But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients. I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.[/p][/quote]They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies. And yes, even Doctors can be wrong. Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout. The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face.[/p][/quote]Prey tell how much you donated to this worthy cause then?[/p][/quote]Let me inform you, because Southampton as been given life, the one that mostly concidered to be the best childrens heart hospital out of London got informed to day it as to close, this hospital is 77 miles away from us to the west.[/p][/quote]You don't 'have to tell me anything'. I am aware of the distance. Can we stop with the 'Let me tell you's, it doesn't make you even sound clever. Shoong
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3:23pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Money should never ever be put before people, People should all ways come first where ever it is in the world.
Trying to get the last word in then - hoping that people will move on to another article!.

Your right - people should come before money. But what happens to the people when you've spread the money too thinly and there's too little for medicine and healthcare?

I guess this is always why the Extreme Left have been booted out by the people where ever they have dictated.

You claim to be 'for the people'. As always with Extreme Leftism, it is a smokescreen to line your own pockets.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Money should never ever be put before people, People should all ways come first where ever it is in the world.[/p][/quote]Trying to get the last word in then - hoping that people will move on to another article!. Your right - people should come before money. But what happens to the people when you've spread the money too thinly and there's too little for medicine and healthcare? I guess this is always why the Extreme Left have been booted out by the people where ever they have dictated. You claim to be 'for the people'. As always with Extreme Leftism, it is a smokescreen to line your own pockets. Shoong
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3:39pm Thu 5 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.
That's not the whole story though is it?

There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated.

The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups.

So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.
So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care?

Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school.

It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures.

The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.
Your right, it is.

But not when it used to promote your own political agenda.

I have sympathy for those affected, of course.

But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients.

I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery

Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.
They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies.

And yes, even Doctors can be wrong.

Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout.

The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face.
Prey tell how much you donated to this worthy cause then?
Let me inform you, because Southampton as been given life, the one that mostly concidered to be the best childrens heart hospital out of London got informed to day it as to close, this hospital is 77 miles away from us to the west.
You don't 'have to tell me anything'.

I am aware of the distance. Can we stop with the 'Let me tell you's, it doesn't make you even sound clever.
Yes well your all way giving the far right wing capitalist view every thing is about your worship of money.
you do not care about other people so long your ok, normal right wing view of life.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: It is good news for the Hospital, but it will be sad others that will be closed, just for the sake of putting money before people.[/p][/quote]That's not the whole story though is it? There was a general consensus agreed by all parties involved that to provide a uniformly high quality and safe service, operations must be concentrated. The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery were involved and the decision was actually approved by doctors groups. So drop the moral high ground angle, all you've done is used this story for more of your own publicity.[/p][/quote]So how are you going to break it to the families involved that they now have to travel a VAST distance for care? Its more than simply about standards of care - which should be high regardless. But I met families (when my Father was receiving heart care) being broken by one partner/spouse having to stay with the child in care, and the other having to live across the country to keep the other child in school. It creates a gigantic financial problem outside of the NHS figures. The moral high ground is entirely appropriate.[/p][/quote]Your right, it is. But not when it used to promote your own political agenda. I have sympathy for those affected, of course. But it looks like this decision was taken by those involved in the actual care of patients. I repeat, The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Society for Cardiothoracic Surgery Are you going to have a go at doctors? No, probably not.[/p][/quote]They're not doctors, they're the educational and working governing bodies. And yes, even Doctors can be wrong. Its the same problem as with the schools. One performs less, so lets close it down. Never mind looking at ways of improving a situation so everything is at a standard throughout. The NHS has become an industry that cuts it's nose off despite it's face.[/p][/quote]Prey tell how much you donated to this worthy cause then?[/p][/quote]Let me inform you, because Southampton as been given life, the one that mostly concidered to be the best childrens heart hospital out of London got informed to day it as to close, this hospital is 77 miles away from us to the west.[/p][/quote]You don't 'have to tell me anything'. I am aware of the distance. Can we stop with the 'Let me tell you's, it doesn't make you even sound clever.[/p][/quote]Yes well your all way giving the far right wing capitalist view every thing is about your worship of money. you do not care about other people so long your ok, normal right wing view of life. southy
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3:51pm Thu 5 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Money should never ever be put before people, People should all ways come first where ever it is in the world.
Trying to get the last word in then - hoping that people will move on to another article!.

Your right - people should come before money. But what happens to the people when you've spread the money too thinly and there's too little for medicine and healthcare?

I guess this is always why the Extreme Left have been booted out by the people where ever they have dictated.

You claim to be 'for the people'. As always with Extreme Leftism, it is a smokescreen to line your own pockets.
money is just a tool and thats how us Socialist treat it, with you capitalist more so your kind of extreme capitalism, money is you god, to you and your kind money is power and power is money, and if it can not corrupt what it wants it will destory it so no one else can have it.

For your information the Left have never been kick by the people, what happens is because the extreme right wing like your kind cant corrupt them you try and get them removed by other means.
Look at Nicaragua and all the right wing false propaganda about that place, then what about Venezuela You extreme Capitalist the kind that you follow, try a coup in that country to get the lawful elected government removed shame it only lasted a few days before the people revolted and put him back in government.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Money should never ever be put before people, People should all ways come first where ever it is in the world.[/p][/quote]Trying to get the last word in then - hoping that people will move on to another article!. Your right - people should come before money. But what happens to the people when you've spread the money too thinly and there's too little for medicine and healthcare? I guess this is always why the Extreme Left have been booted out by the people where ever they have dictated. You claim to be 'for the people'. As always with Extreme Leftism, it is a smokescreen to line your own pockets.[/p][/quote]money is just a tool and thats how us Socialist treat it, with you capitalist more so your kind of extreme capitalism, money is you god, to you and your kind money is power and power is money, and if it can not corrupt what it wants it will destory it so no one else can have it. For your information the Left have never been kick by the people, what happens is because the extreme right wing like your kind cant corrupt them you try and get them removed by other means. Look at Nicaragua and all the right wing false propaganda about that place, then what about Venezuela You extreme Capitalist the kind that you follow, try a coup in that country to get the lawful elected government removed shame it only lasted a few days before the people revolted and put him back in government. southy
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4:00pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Raxx says...

There's some right old cobblers above.

I'll quote what was posted against a previous article:

"The principle is that every centre should be performing a minimum number of ops each year per surgeon, as the evidence is that this makes them safer, and more children survive.

This was realised and accepted a decade ago after the Bristol heart scandal.

In the meantime the failure of politicians and national health leaders to concentrate care in fewer centres has undoubtedly cost children their lives. They have shied away from this necessary change bevcause they have been scared of the voters' reaction to seeing a unit closed. Political cowardice in other words.

Southampton has always been viable and provided top class children's heart surgery, but the same cannot be said of some of the other units, which were too small to give their surgeons enough specialist expertise.

The statistics and evidence suggest that these avoidable deaths probably number in their hundreds.

To repeat - hundreds."

Travelling a long way and coming back alive is vastly preferable to a one-way trip.
There's some right old cobblers above. I'll quote what was posted against a previous article: "The principle is that every centre should be performing a minimum number of ops each year per surgeon, as the evidence is that this makes them safer, and more children survive. This was realised and accepted a decade ago after the Bristol heart scandal. In the meantime the failure of politicians and national health leaders to concentrate care in fewer centres has undoubtedly cost children their lives. They have shied away from this necessary change bevcause they have been scared of the voters' reaction to seeing a unit closed. Political cowardice in other words. Southampton has always been viable and provided top class children's heart surgery, but the same cannot be said of some of the other units, which were too small to give their surgeons enough specialist expertise. The statistics and evidence suggest that these avoidable deaths probably number in their hundreds. To repeat - hundreds." Travelling a long way and coming back alive is vastly preferable to a one-way trip. Raxx
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5:01pm Thu 5 Jul 12

downfader says...

Shoong - I dont give a **** about left or right politics. Get yourself on twitter and read all the "#NHS" related tweets, read the blogs by the people who work in the service.

Raxx, we have the technology now being rolled out where top surgeons can use robitics to operate. The number of operations can still be maintained to keep the budget suitable.

Surgeons also travel a fair bit to spread their expertise and operate in various hospitals. Its very fluid and that in itself is preferable to family upheaval.

The Bristol heart scandal was down to mismanagement and poor facilities. Jobs for the boys comes to mind:
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/health/health
news/7914795/Bristol
-heart-scandal.html
Shoong - I dont give a **** about left or right politics. Get yourself on twitter and read all the "#NHS" related tweets, read the blogs by the people who work in the service. Raxx, we have the technology now being rolled out where top surgeons can use robitics to operate. The number of operations can still be maintained to keep the budget suitable. Surgeons also travel a fair bit to spread their expertise and operate in various hospitals. Its very fluid and that in itself is preferable to family upheaval. The Bristol heart scandal was down to mismanagement and poor facilities. Jobs for the boys comes to mind: http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/health news/7914795/Bristol -heart-scandal.html downfader
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5:13pm Thu 5 Jul 12

southy says...

downfader wrote:
Shoong - I dont give a **** about left or right politics. Get yourself on twitter and read all the "#NHS" related tweets, read the blogs by the people who work in the service.

Raxx, we have the technology now being rolled out where top surgeons can use robitics to operate. The number of operations can still be maintained to keep the budget suitable.

Surgeons also travel a fair bit to spread their expertise and operate in various hospitals. Its very fluid and that in itself is preferable to family upheaval.

The Bristol heart scandal was down to mismanagement and poor facilities. Jobs for the boys comes to mind:
http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/health/health

news/7914795/Bristol

-heart-scandal.html
Just heard the one up north is to close also. this is not about best health care, its about saving money so the private sector can have a bit more of public tax money.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: Shoong - I dont give a **** about left or right politics. Get yourself on twitter and read all the "#NHS" related tweets, read the blogs by the people who work in the service. Raxx, we have the technology now being rolled out where top surgeons can use robitics to operate. The number of operations can still be maintained to keep the budget suitable. Surgeons also travel a fair bit to spread their expertise and operate in various hospitals. Its very fluid and that in itself is preferable to family upheaval. The Bristol heart scandal was down to mismanagement and poor facilities. Jobs for the boys comes to mind: http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/health news/7914795/Bristol -heart-scandal.html[/p][/quote]Just heard the one up north is to close also. this is not about best health care, its about saving money so the private sector can have a bit more of public tax money. southy
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5:19pm Thu 5 Jul 12

southy says...

Raxx Southampton as not all ways provided top class children's heart surgery, we use to have a Children Hospital but it was for all kinds illness, in my life time there was a time when you had to go to Bristol or London for any age Heart Surgery
Raxx Southampton as not all ways provided top class children's heart surgery, we use to have a Children Hospital but it was for all kinds illness, in my life time there was a time when you had to go to Bristol or London for any age Heart Surgery southy
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10:46pm Thu 5 Jul 12

southy says...

southy wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong - I dont give a **** about left or right politics. Get yourself on twitter and read all the "#NHS" related tweets, read the blogs by the people who work in the service.

Raxx, we have the technology now being rolled out where top surgeons can use robitics to operate. The number of operations can still be maintained to keep the budget suitable.

Surgeons also travel a fair bit to spread their expertise and operate in various hospitals. Its very fluid and that in itself is preferable to family upheaval.

The Bristol heart scandal was down to mismanagement and poor facilities. Jobs for the boys comes to mind:
http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/health/health


news/7914795/Bristol


-heart-scandal.html
Just heard the one up north is to close also. this is not about best health care, its about saving money so the private sector can have a bit more of public tax money.
5 in total have been closed up and down the country.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: Shoong - I dont give a **** about left or right politics. Get yourself on twitter and read all the "#NHS" related tweets, read the blogs by the people who work in the service. Raxx, we have the technology now being rolled out where top surgeons can use robitics to operate. The number of operations can still be maintained to keep the budget suitable. Surgeons also travel a fair bit to spread their expertise and operate in various hospitals. Its very fluid and that in itself is preferable to family upheaval. The Bristol heart scandal was down to mismanagement and poor facilities. Jobs for the boys comes to mind: http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/health news/7914795/Bristol -heart-scandal.html[/p][/quote]Just heard the one up north is to close also. this is not about best health care, its about saving money so the private sector can have a bit more of public tax money.[/p][/quote]5 in total have been closed up and down the country. southy
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9:29am Fri 6 Jul 12

Raxx says...

southy wrote:
Raxx Southampton as not all ways provided top class children's heart surgery, we use to have a Children Hospital but it was for all kinds illness, in my life time there was a time when you had to go to Bristol or London for any age Heart Surgery
You misunderstand me southy. I didn't mean to say they have ALWAYS provided top class child heart surgery, I mean that they have always provided TOP-CLASS child heart surgery.

That is - in the time they have been providing the service, it has been of a high standard. They have not been one of the units that were unsafe.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Raxx Southampton as not all ways provided top class children's heart surgery, we use to have a Children Hospital but it was for all kinds illness, in my life time there was a time when you had to go to Bristol or London for any age Heart Surgery[/p][/quote]You misunderstand me southy. I didn't mean to say they have ALWAYS provided top class child heart surgery, I mean that they have always provided TOP-CLASS child heart surgery. That is - in the time they have been providing the service, it has been of a high standard. They have not been one of the units that were unsafe. Raxx
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9:35am Fri 6 Jul 12

Raxx says...

southy wrote:
downfader wrote:
Shoong - I dont give a **** about left or right politics. Get yourself on twitter and read all the "#NHS" related tweets, read the blogs by the people who work in the service.

Raxx, we have the technology now being rolled out where top surgeons can use robitics to operate. The number of operations can still be maintained to keep the budget suitable.

Surgeons also travel a fair bit to spread their expertise and operate in various hospitals. Its very fluid and that in itself is preferable to family upheaval.

The Bristol heart scandal was down to mismanagement and poor facilities. Jobs for the boys comes to mind:
http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/health/health


news/7914795/Bristol


-heart-scandal.html
Just heard the one up north is to close also. this is not about best health care, its about saving money so the private sector can have a bit more of public tax money.
Demonstrably untrue. Sir Ian Kennedy, who chaired the enquiry into Bristol, explicitly recommended that children's heart surgery be carried out only in highly specialist centres which see lots of cases.

Sir Bruce Keogh, Medical Director of the NHS and himself a cardiac surgeon, has been pushing for this for years, and warning of 'another Bristol' if it didn't happen.

I'm as cynical as anyone and am steadfastly in opposition to the cuts - but this move is clinically sound and will bring about a drop in mortality.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: Shoong - I dont give a **** about left or right politics. Get yourself on twitter and read all the "#NHS" related tweets, read the blogs by the people who work in the service. Raxx, we have the technology now being rolled out where top surgeons can use robitics to operate. The number of operations can still be maintained to keep the budget suitable. Surgeons also travel a fair bit to spread their expertise and operate in various hospitals. Its very fluid and that in itself is preferable to family upheaval. The Bristol heart scandal was down to mismanagement and poor facilities. Jobs for the boys comes to mind: http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/health news/7914795/Bristol -heart-scandal.html[/p][/quote]Just heard the one up north is to close also. this is not about best health care, its about saving money so the private sector can have a bit more of public tax money.[/p][/quote]Demonstrably untrue. Sir Ian Kennedy, who chaired the enquiry into Bristol, explicitly recommended that children's heart surgery be carried out only in highly specialist centres which see lots of cases. Sir Bruce Keogh, Medical Director of the NHS and himself a cardiac surgeon, has been pushing for this for years, and warning of 'another Bristol' if it didn't happen. I'm as cynical as anyone and am steadfastly in opposition to the cuts - but this move is clinically sound and will bring about a drop in mortality. Raxx
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