Rape charity says Mike Tyson should not be welcome in Hampshire

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Features Writer

A CHARITY which campaigns against sexual violence has condemned £150-a-seat talk show featured former world heavyweight boxing champion Mike Tyson.

Rape Crisis claims Tyson, who was jailed for rape, should not be branded a legend – and even warned that his appearance may silence women who have been attacked.

Christina Diamandopoulos, of Rape Crisis, which provides rape victims with support, said: “Any offender convicted of sexual violence cannot be counted a legend or hero in any sense without diminishing the importance and seriousness of rape and sexual assault. The message to survivors and to women being victimised, at present, is that ‘society does not think you are important and your suffering is not important’.

“It may have the effect of silencing women or deterring them from coming forward. It is a sign that money speaks louder than humanity.”

Organisers of the event at the city council-owned Portsmouth Guildhall insisted that his controversial behaviour is in the past.

Andy Foreman, who is organising the event for WCBC, said: “What has been done is in the past and it has been done a long time ago. Everyone moves on and he is a family man.”

Andy Grays, chairman of Portsmouth Cultural Trust, which is responsible for the Guildhall, said: “He has served his time. These Mike Tyson events have happened for many years throughout the UK. If he does say or do anything offensive here he will never come here again.”

Tyson became the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world at the age of just 20.

But he is as well known for his bad behaviour outside the ring as his brilliance inside it.

In 1992 Tyson was handed a six-year sentence for raping an 18-year-old beauty pageant contestant. He was released after serving three years.

His was also dogged by accusations of domestic violence and drug use. Inside the ropes he infamously bit off part of opponent Evander Holyfield’s ear.

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2:05pm Sat 7 Jul 12

Here, There says...

Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it.
Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it. Here, There
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3:10pm Sat 7 Jul 12

erica smith says...

MIKE TYSON IS A RAPIST AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED INTO UK. I believe that all those paying such sums to attend his talk show should be ashamed of themselves. In the majority of cases of rape, the males are the perpertrators and women the victims............ regardless of whether they may have indicated any 'willingness' on their part. NO MEANS NO. and men should be able to accept that and not use their,in this case, considerable strength, to overpower their victim(s)
MIKE TYSON IS A RAPIST AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED INTO UK. I believe that all those paying such sums to attend his talk show should be ashamed of themselves. In the majority of cases of rape, the males are the perpertrators and women the victims............ regardless of whether they may have indicated any 'willingness' on their part. NO MEANS NO. and men should be able to accept that and not use their,in this case, considerable strength, to overpower their victim(s) erica smith
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3:41pm Sat 7 Jul 12

alan.of.eastleigh says...

erica smith wrote:
MIKE TYSON IS A RAPIST AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED INTO UK. I believe that all those paying such sums to attend his talk show should be ashamed of themselves. In the majority of cases of rape, the males are the perpertrators and women the victims............ regardless of whether they may have indicated any 'willingness' on their part. NO MEANS NO. and men should be able to accept that and not use their,in this case, considerable strength, to overpower their victim(s)
Sure. Why not make up the laws as you go along. Yes he committed a crime and yes he served time for it. It is not a crime to enter the country. It is not a crime to pay money to see him. It's a free country. If you do not want to go and pay £150 I respect your decision but please let others make up their own minds.
[quote][p][bold]erica smith[/bold] wrote: MIKE TYSON IS A RAPIST AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED INTO UK. I believe that all those paying such sums to attend his talk show should be ashamed of themselves. In the majority of cases of rape, the males are the perpertrators and women the victims............ regardless of whether they may have indicated any 'willingness' on their part. NO MEANS NO. and men should be able to accept that and not use their,in this case, considerable strength, to overpower their victim(s)[/p][/quote]Sure. Why not make up the laws as you go along. Yes he committed a crime and yes he served time for it. It is not a crime to enter the country. It is not a crime to pay money to see him. It's a free country. If you do not want to go and pay £150 I respect your decision but please let others make up their own minds. alan.of.eastleigh
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3:53pm Sat 7 Jul 12

TheJoiners says...

How does a convicted Rapist get a visa to get in the UK? I know someone who cant get into the USA with a driving conviction when he was 18. How can this be?
How does a convicted Rapist get a visa to get in the UK? I know someone who cant get into the USA with a driving conviction when he was 18. How can this be? TheJoiners
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4:26pm Sat 7 Jul 12

karenchi says...

100% if you have ANY conviction you will not be allowed into the good old US of A..... I wonder how many of you would have the same attitude if this was a peadophile who actually got a conviction for one of his/her crimes.... seems like to many people think... "Oh well, he raped somebody once but served time in prison which means its ok for hundredds of people to pay hundreds of pounds to keep him in the luxurious life he has become accustomed to"...... wonder what money making schemes his victim has got involved in on the backside of this horrendous crime... none I expect, yet there are still people prepared to pay to hear him! Rapists are in the same category as peado's but if you can honestly say you would go listen to a peado earn money on the back of their fame then what is the world coming to.... Hope Tyson is gonna donate his money to his victim!
100% if you have ANY conviction you will not be allowed into the good old US of A..... I wonder how many of you would have the same attitude if this was a peadophile who actually got a conviction for one of his/her crimes.... seems like to many people think... "Oh well, he raped somebody once but served time in prison which means its ok for hundredds of people to pay hundreds of pounds to keep him in the luxurious life he has become accustomed to"...... wonder what money making schemes his victim has got involved in on the backside of this horrendous crime... none I expect, yet there are still people prepared to pay to hear him! Rapists are in the same category as peado's but if you can honestly say you would go listen to a peado earn money on the back of their fame then what is the world coming to.... Hope Tyson is gonna donate his money to his victim! karenchi
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4:29pm Sat 7 Jul 12

The Salv says...

TheJoiners wrote:
How does a convicted Rapist get a visa to get in the UK? I know someone who cant get into the USA with a driving conviction when he was 18. How can this be?
Excellent point, well made.
[quote][p][bold]TheJoiners[/bold] wrote: How does a convicted Rapist get a visa to get in the UK? I know someone who cant get into the USA with a driving conviction when he was 18. How can this be?[/p][/quote]Excellent point, well made. The Salv
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4:39pm Sat 7 Jul 12

karenchi says...

Alan of eastleigh... yes this is a free country, just a shame that people would actually pay to see a rapist in the first place... bet nobody would if it had been their daughter/son that had been raped!
Alan of eastleigh... yes this is a free country, just a shame that people would actually pay to see a rapist in the first place... bet nobody would if it had been their daughter/son that had been raped! karenchi
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5:35pm Sat 7 Jul 12

userds5050 says...

Many people believe Tyson was wrongfully convicted. I remember when he went to Brixton before a fight and was mobbed. I personally wouldn't want to go see him but each to their own.
Many people believe Tyson was wrongfully convicted. I remember when he went to Brixton before a fight and was mobbed. I personally wouldn't want to go see him but each to their own. userds5050
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5:58pm Sat 7 Jul 12

rightway says...

Here, There wrote:
Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it.
I cannot believe what a dic you are, the girl Tyson RAPED was 18 years old, if you would care to read the police and medical reports you may not be so quick to defend a convicted sex offender, unless of course you are……………
On your earlier comment about mass murder and terrorists, remember One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and the family of your so called head of state is responsible for more deaths than any man could count.
I try not to resort to childish name calling, but to defend a RAPIST YOU REALLY ARE A DIC, I cannot help asking why would someone defend a RAPIST
[quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote: Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it.[/p][/quote]I cannot believe what a dic you are, the girl Tyson RAPED was 18 years old, if you would care to read the police and medical reports you may not be so quick to defend a convicted sex offender, unless of course you are…………… On your earlier comment about mass murder and terrorists, remember One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and the family of your so called head of state is responsible for more deaths than any man could count. I try not to resort to childish name calling, but to defend a RAPIST YOU REALLY ARE A DIC, I cannot help asking why would someone defend a RAPIST rightway
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6:01pm Sat 7 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't.

Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain.

I must be mad!
Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't. Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain. I must be mad! IronLady2010
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6:17pm Sat 7 Jul 12

TimTam says...

TheJoiners wrote:
How does a convicted Rapist get a visa to get in the UK? I know someone who cant get into the USA with a driving conviction when he was 18. How can this be?
Because we live in broken Britain!
[quote][p][bold]TheJoiners[/bold] wrote: How does a convicted Rapist get a visa to get in the UK? I know someone who cant get into the USA with a driving conviction when he was 18. How can this be?[/p][/quote]Because we live in broken Britain! TimTam
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6:53pm Sat 7 Jul 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

So let me get this right, just because he's famous he gets 'wrongfully convicted' of the rape of a young girl of 18.... I wonder those who think it's not serious would be quite so forgiving if it was their daughter!

Agree with those who said he shouldn't even be in the country, a similar offender would be allowed nowhere near the US and he would be on the sex offenders register over here ..

Besides all of that £150 to hear him speak!! I've only ever heard him grunt ! a fool and their money and all that and whoever has booked him frankly needs their head examining....
So let me get this right, just because he's famous he gets 'wrongfully convicted' of the rape of a young girl of 18.... I wonder those who think it's not serious would be quite so forgiving if it was their daughter! Agree with those who said he shouldn't even be in the country, a similar offender would be allowed nowhere near the US and he would be on the sex offenders register over here .. Besides all of that £150 to hear him speak!! I've only ever heard him grunt ! a fool and their money and all that and whoever has booked him frankly needs their head examining.... freemantlegirl2
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7:04pm Sat 7 Jul 12

THEKILLER says...

If someone wants to waste £150 to listen to someone who can hardly put a sentence to-gether then they deserve each other.
If someone wants to waste £150 to listen to someone who can hardly put a sentence to-gether then they deserve each other. THEKILLER
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7:24pm Sat 7 Jul 12

Georgem says...

karenchi wrote:
100% if you have ANY conviction you will not be allowed into the good old US of A..


100% inaccurate. Guaranteed wrong. Why? See below.

How, exactly, are US Border Control going to know the criminal pasts of everyone entering their country, for a start? Inb4 "lol police computers u moron", that's nonsense. Someone made a Freedom of Information request a while back, asking how much access to UK police records the US Border Control actually had. Response? "Oh, none whatsoever". They might get the nod from Interpol if a Kray twin or somebody tries to enter, but by and large they rely on naive honesty when ESTA or visa applicants are asked questions about criminal records.
[quote]karenchi wrote: 100% if you have ANY conviction you will not be allowed into the good old US of A..[/quote] 100% inaccurate. Guaranteed wrong. Why? See below. How, exactly, are US Border Control going to know the criminal pasts of everyone entering their country, for a start? Inb4 "lol police computers u moron", that's nonsense. Someone made a Freedom of Information request a while back, asking how much access to UK police records the US Border Control actually had. Response? "Oh, none whatsoever". They might get the nod from Interpol if a Kray twin or somebody tries to enter, but by and large they rely on naive honesty when ESTA or visa applicants are asked questions about criminal records. Georgem
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7:27pm Sat 7 Jul 12

Georgem says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't.

Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain.

I must be mad!
Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it?

Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't. Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain. I must be mad![/p][/quote]Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it? Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem? Georgem
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9:41pm Sat 7 Jul 12

userds5050 says...

Georgem wrote:
karenchi wrote:
100% if you have ANY conviction you will not be allowed into the good old US of A..


100% inaccurate. Guaranteed wrong. Why? See below.

How, exactly, are US Border Control going to know the criminal pasts of everyone entering their country, for a start? Inb4 "lol police computers u moron", that's nonsense. Someone made a Freedom of Information request a while back, asking how much access to UK police records the US Border Control actually had. Response? "Oh, none whatsoever". They might get the nod from Interpol if a Kray twin or somebody tries to enter, but by and large they rely on naive honesty when ESTA or visa applicants are asked questions about criminal records.
Good point. I don't believe UK tourists need a visa to travel to the USA. They just need to fill in a visa waiver form which doesn't ask for convictions. It's if you want to stay there longer, work ect that you'll run into problems.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote]karenchi wrote: 100% if you have ANY conviction you will not be allowed into the good old US of A..[/quote] 100% inaccurate. Guaranteed wrong. Why? See below. How, exactly, are US Border Control going to know the criminal pasts of everyone entering their country, for a start? Inb4 "lol police computers u moron", that's nonsense. Someone made a Freedom of Information request a while back, asking how much access to UK police records the US Border Control actually had. Response? "Oh, none whatsoever". They might get the nod from Interpol if a Kray twin or somebody tries to enter, but by and large they rely on naive honesty when ESTA or visa applicants are asked questions about criminal records.[/p][/quote]Good point. I don't believe UK tourists need a visa to travel to the USA. They just need to fill in a visa waiver form which doesn't ask for convictions. It's if you want to stay there longer, work ect that you'll run into problems. userds5050
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10:03pm Sat 7 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

Georgem wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't.

Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain.

I must be mad!
Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it?

Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem?
Allow me to turn this around, human boxing is illegal unless arranged as a sport.

You can't go around boxing others in the street!

Smart ar$e!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't. Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain. I must be mad![/p][/quote]Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it? Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem?[/p][/quote]Allow me to turn this around, human boxing is illegal unless arranged as a sport. You can't go around boxing others in the street! Smart ar$e! IronLady2010
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10:32pm Sat 7 Jul 12

Georgem says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't.

Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain.

I must be mad!
Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it?

Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem?
Allow me to turn this around, human boxing is illegal unless arranged as a sport.

You can't go around boxing others in the street!

Smart ar$e!
What rubbish. Go report an assault. At some point, your statement will have to include the words "I did not give him permission to hit me" or similar. There is nothing illegal about consensual violence amongst adults.

Smart arse!
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't. Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain. I must be mad![/p][/quote]Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it? Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem?[/p][/quote]Allow me to turn this around, human boxing is illegal unless arranged as a sport. You can't go around boxing others in the street! Smart ar$e![/p][/quote]What rubbish. Go report an assault. At some point, your statement will have to include the words "I did not give him permission to hit me" or similar. There is nothing illegal about consensual violence amongst adults. Smart ar[bold][/bold]se! Georgem
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10:32pm Sat 7 Jul 12

Georgem says...

userds5050 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
karenchi wrote:
100% if you have ANY conviction you will not be allowed into the good old US of A..


100% inaccurate. Guaranteed wrong. Why? See below.

How, exactly, are US Border Control going to know the criminal pasts of everyone entering their country, for a start? Inb4 "lol police computers u moron", that's nonsense. Someone made a Freedom of Information request a while back, asking how much access to UK police records the US Border Control actually had. Response? "Oh, none whatsoever". They might get the nod from Interpol if a Kray twin or somebody tries to enter, but by and large they rely on naive honesty when ESTA or visa applicants are asked questions about criminal records.
Good point. I don't believe UK tourists need a visa to travel to the USA. They just need to fill in a visa waiver form which doesn't ask for convictions. It's if you want to stay there longer, work ect that you'll run into problems.
Problems, but not insurmountable ones, generally.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote]karenchi wrote: 100% if you have ANY conviction you will not be allowed into the good old US of A..[/quote] 100% inaccurate. Guaranteed wrong. Why? See below. How, exactly, are US Border Control going to know the criminal pasts of everyone entering their country, for a start? Inb4 "lol police computers u moron", that's nonsense. Someone made a Freedom of Information request a while back, asking how much access to UK police records the US Border Control actually had. Response? "Oh, none whatsoever". They might get the nod from Interpol if a Kray twin or somebody tries to enter, but by and large they rely on naive honesty when ESTA or visa applicants are asked questions about criminal records.[/p][/quote]Good point. I don't believe UK tourists need a visa to travel to the USA. They just need to fill in a visa waiver form which doesn't ask for convictions. It's if you want to stay there longer, work ect that you'll run into problems.[/p][/quote]Problems, but not insurmountable ones, generally. Georgem
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10:39pm Sat 7 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

Georgem wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't.

Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain.

I must be mad!
Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it?

Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem?
Allow me to turn this around, human boxing is illegal unless arranged as a sport.

You can't go around boxing others in the street!

Smart ar$e!
What rubbish. Go report an assault. At some point, your statement will have to include the words "I did not give him permission to hit me" or similar. There is nothing illegal about consensual violence amongst adults.

Smart arse!
This is all I mentioned... (why would I report an assault)?

Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't.

"Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain.

I must be mad!"
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't. Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain. I must be mad![/p][/quote]Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it? Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem?[/p][/quote]Allow me to turn this around, human boxing is illegal unless arranged as a sport. You can't go around boxing others in the street! Smart ar$e![/p][/quote]What rubbish. Go report an assault. At some point, your statement will have to include the words "I did not give him permission to hit me" or similar. There is nothing illegal about consensual violence amongst adults. Smart ar[bold][/bold]se![/p][/quote]This is all I mentioned... (why would I report an assault)? Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't. "Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain. I must be mad!" IronLady2010
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10:42pm Sat 7 Jul 12

Georgem says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't.

Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain.

I must be mad!
Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it?

Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem?
Allow me to turn this around, human boxing is illegal unless arranged as a sport.

You can't go around boxing others in the street!

Smart ar$e!
What rubbish. Go report an assault. At some point, your statement will have to include the words "I did not give him permission to hit me" or similar. There is nothing illegal about consensual violence amongst adults.

Smart arse!
This is all I mentioned... (why would I report an assault)?

Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't.

"Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain.

I must be mad!"
Do I really need to draw you a picture?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't. Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain. I must be mad![/p][/quote]Dog fighting isn't banned! I can't remember the last time a dog got arrested for fighting another dog. Now, if humans are arranging for dogs to fight, as "sport', that's a different matter. That's cruelty, isn't it? Boxing? Both parties consent to the violence, what's the problem?[/p][/quote]Allow me to turn this around, human boxing is illegal unless arranged as a sport. You can't go around boxing others in the street! Smart ar$e![/p][/quote]What rubbish. Go report an assault. At some point, your statement will have to include the words "I did not give him permission to hit me" or similar. There is nothing illegal about consensual violence amongst adults. Smart ar[bold][/bold]se![/p][/quote]This is all I mentioned... (why would I report an assault)? Dog fighting is banned, but human fighting isn't. "Yet we'll put a dog down when it's ill, but not a human who wants an end to pain. I must be mad!"[/p][/quote]Do I really need to draw you a picture? Georgem
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10:43pm Sat 7 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

Are you suggesting it's ok for grown men to fight until they're knocked unconcious as a sport, yet we don't allow the same with animals?
Are you suggesting it's ok for grown men to fight until they're knocked unconcious as a sport, yet we don't allow the same with animals? IronLady2010
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10:44pm Sat 7 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

A picture would be good as I don't get the whole concept! x
A picture would be good as I don't get the whole concept! x IronLady2010
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2:21am Sun 8 Jul 12

Here, There says...

rightway wrote:
Here, There wrote:
Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it.
I cannot believe what a dic you are, the girl Tyson RAPED was 18 years old, if you would care to read the police and medical reports you may not be so quick to defend a convicted sex offender, unless of course you are……………
On your earlier comment about mass murder and terrorists, remember One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and the family of your so called head of state is responsible for more deaths than any man could count.
I try not to resort to childish name calling, but to defend a RAPIST YOU REALLY ARE A DIC, I cannot help asking why would someone defend a RAPIST
What is worse questioning the validity of a claim made against a multi millionaire celebrity or trying to justify the slaughter of innocents in the name of freedom ? Would you care to look at the medical records of the victims of bombings ?? I cannot help asking why would someone defend a TERRORIST...unless ??? Dic indeed and today of all days to make the comparison, Tut Tut
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote: Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it.[/p][/quote]I cannot believe what a dic you are, the girl Tyson RAPED was 18 years old, if you would care to read the police and medical reports you may not be so quick to defend a convicted sex offender, unless of course you are…………… On your earlier comment about mass murder and terrorists, remember One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and the family of your so called head of state is responsible for more deaths than any man could count. I try not to resort to childish name calling, but to defend a RAPIST YOU REALLY ARE A DIC, I cannot help asking why would someone defend a RAPIST[/p][/quote]What is worse questioning the validity of a claim made against a multi millionaire celebrity or trying to justify the slaughter of innocents in the name of freedom ? Would you care to look at the medical records of the victims of bombings ?? I cannot help asking why would someone defend a TERRORIST...unless ??? Dic indeed and today of all days to make the comparison, Tut Tut Here, There
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2:55am Sun 8 Jul 12

dolomiteman says...

TimTam wrote:
TheJoiners wrote:
How does a convicted Rapist get a visa to get in the UK? I know someone who cant get into the USA with a driving conviction when he was 18. How can this be?
Because we live in broken Britain!
No more like 'the joiners' is talking crap, a driving conviction will not prevent you from entering the USA unlees it was for vehicle theft or causing death by dangerous driving.

More to the point why doesn't the echo report this story properly, they fail to say what the talk is about?
[quote][p][bold]TimTam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheJoiners[/bold] wrote: How does a convicted Rapist get a visa to get in the UK? I know someone who cant get into the USA with a driving conviction when he was 18. How can this be?[/p][/quote]Because we live in broken Britain![/p][/quote]No more like 'the joiners' is talking crap, a driving conviction will not prevent you from entering the USA unlees it was for vehicle theft or causing death by dangerous driving. More to the point why doesn't the echo report this story properly, they fail to say what the talk is about? dolomiteman
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11:30am Sun 8 Jul 12

cliffwalker says...

Do we admit that the criminal justice system is never able to turn a criminal into a law abiding citizen? Is it impossible to reform a criminal? If the answer to either question is yes, we might as well lock up all criminals for ever or just hang them. We certainly can't allow any convict to walk the streets ever again.
Do we admit that the criminal justice system is never able to turn a criminal into a law abiding citizen? Is it impossible to reform a criminal? If the answer to either question is yes, we might as well lock up all criminals for ever or just hang them. We certainly can't allow any convict to walk the streets ever again. cliffwalker
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12:24pm Sun 8 Jul 12

rightway says...

Here, There wrote:
rightway wrote:
Here, There wrote: Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it.
I cannot believe what a dic you are, the girl Tyson RAPED was 18 years old, if you would care to read the police and medical reports you may not be so quick to defend a convicted sex offender, unless of course you are…………… On your earlier comment about mass murder and terrorists, remember One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and the family of your so called head of state is responsible for more deaths than any man could count. I try not to resort to childish name calling, but to defend a RAPIST YOU REALLY ARE A DIC, I cannot help asking why would someone defend a RAPIST
What is worse questioning the validity of a claim made against a multi millionaire celebrity or trying to justify the slaughter of innocents in the name of freedom ? Would you care to look at the medical records of the victims of bombings ?? I cannot help asking why would someone defend a TERRORIST...unless ??? Dic indeed and today of all days to make the comparison, Tut Tut
I am neither trying to justify or defend terrorist acts, all I am doing is looking through your smoke screen and once again asking how you can justify your remarks about the rape of an 18 year old.
Tyson was convicted in a country where it seems justice can be bought by the rich and famous, yet he was convicted.
[quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote: Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it.[/p][/quote]I cannot believe what a dic you are, the girl Tyson RAPED was 18 years old, if you would care to read the police and medical reports you may not be so quick to defend a convicted sex offender, unless of course you are…………… On your earlier comment about mass murder and terrorists, remember One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and the family of your so called head of state is responsible for more deaths than any man could count. I try not to resort to childish name calling, but to defend a RAPIST YOU REALLY ARE A DIC, I cannot help asking why would someone defend a RAPIST[/p][/quote]What is worse questioning the validity of a claim made against a multi millionaire celebrity or trying to justify the slaughter of innocents in the name of freedom ? Would you care to look at the medical records of the victims of bombings ?? I cannot help asking why would someone defend a TERRORIST...unless ??? Dic indeed and today of all days to make the comparison, Tut Tut[/p][/quote]I am neither trying to justify or defend terrorist acts, all I am doing is looking through your smoke screen and once again asking how you can justify your remarks about the rape of an 18 year old. Tyson was convicted in a country where it seems justice can be bought by the rich and famous, yet he was convicted. rightway
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6:48pm Sun 8 Jul 12

Georgem says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Are you suggesting it's ok for grown men to fight until they're knocked unconcious as a sport, yet we don't allow the same with animals?
We DO allow the same thing with animals. Insofar as we have the power to "allow" things to happen in the animal kingdom or otherwise. If we force animals to fight, for our entertainment, that's wrong.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Are you suggesting it's ok for grown men to fight until they're knocked unconcious as a sport, yet we don't allow the same with animals?[/p][/quote]We DO allow the same thing with animals. Insofar as we have the power to "allow" things to happen in the animal kingdom or otherwise. If we force animals to fight, for our entertainment, that's wrong. Georgem
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6:50pm Sun 8 Jul 12

Georgem says...

cliffwalker wrote:
Do we admit that the criminal justice system is never able to turn a criminal into a law abiding citizen? Is it impossible to reform a criminal? If the answer to either question is yes, we might as well lock up all criminals for ever or just hang them. We certainly can't allow any convict to walk the streets ever again.
Tragically, the feeble-minded Echo majority actually do think that. Stole some Toffos from the corner shop? Scum. Lock them up forever.
[quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: Do we admit that the criminal justice system is never able to turn a criminal into a law abiding citizen? Is it impossible to reform a criminal? If the answer to either question is yes, we might as well lock up all criminals for ever or just hang them. We certainly can't allow any convict to walk the streets ever again.[/p][/quote]Tragically, the feeble-minded Echo majority actually do think that. Stole some Toffos from the corner shop? Scum. Lock them up forever. Georgem
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10:40pm Sun 8 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

Georgem wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Are you suggesting it's ok for grown men to fight until they're knocked unconcious as a sport, yet we don't allow the same with animals?
We DO allow the same thing with animals. Insofar as we have the power to "allow" things to happen in the animal kingdom or otherwise. If we force animals to fight, for our entertainment, that's wrong.
No we don't, tell me a legal sport that is on TV involving animals fighting until they are unconcious.

It's only legal for humans to fight until they're knocked out in the name of sport?

Animals have more rights than humans?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Are you suggesting it's ok for grown men to fight until they're knocked unconcious as a sport, yet we don't allow the same with animals?[/p][/quote]We DO allow the same thing with animals. Insofar as we have the power to "allow" things to happen in the animal kingdom or otherwise. If we force animals to fight, for our entertainment, that's wrong.[/p][/quote]No we don't, tell me a legal sport that is on TV involving animals fighting until they are unconcious. It's only legal for humans to fight until they're knocked out in the name of sport? Animals have more rights than humans? IronLady2010
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12:11am Mon 9 Jul 12

Here, There says...

rightway wrote:
Here, There wrote:
rightway wrote:
Here, There wrote: Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it.
I cannot believe what a dic you are, the girl Tyson RAPED was 18 years old, if you would care to read the police and medical reports you may not be so quick to defend a convicted sex offender, unless of course you are…………… On your earlier comment about mass murder and terrorists, remember One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and the family of your so called head of state is responsible for more deaths than any man could count. I try not to resort to childish name calling, but to defend a RAPIST YOU REALLY ARE A DIC, I cannot help asking why would someone defend a RAPIST
What is worse questioning the validity of a claim made against a multi millionaire celebrity or trying to justify the slaughter of innocents in the name of freedom ? Would you care to look at the medical records of the victims of bombings ?? I cannot help asking why would someone defend a TERRORIST...unless ??? Dic indeed and today of all days to make the comparison, Tut Tut
I am neither trying to justify or defend terrorist acts, all I am doing is looking through your smoke screen and once again asking how you can justify your remarks about the rape of an 18 year old.
Tyson was convicted in a country where it seems justice can be bought by the rich and famous, yet he was convicted.
No smoke screen, I justify it simply because I was not convinced, that's my opinion, however, a percentage of 12 were... equally as they were when it came to OJ's 'innocence' the system can be manipulated by both sides..its about who they want to stay at the top.
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote: Where do you stop with this, as a state we entertain those who carry out mass murder, our head of state only recently was entertained by terrorists..it is not a black and white issue and few had sympathy for Desiree as you wouldn't someone who complained about getting their car stolen yet left the keys in it.[/p][/quote]I cannot believe what a dic you are, the girl Tyson RAPED was 18 years old, if you would care to read the police and medical reports you may not be so quick to defend a convicted sex offender, unless of course you are…………… On your earlier comment about mass murder and terrorists, remember One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and the family of your so called head of state is responsible for more deaths than any man could count. I try not to resort to childish name calling, but to defend a RAPIST YOU REALLY ARE A DIC, I cannot help asking why would someone defend a RAPIST[/p][/quote]What is worse questioning the validity of a claim made against a multi millionaire celebrity or trying to justify the slaughter of innocents in the name of freedom ? Would you care to look at the medical records of the victims of bombings ?? I cannot help asking why would someone defend a TERRORIST...unless ??? Dic indeed and today of all days to make the comparison, Tut Tut[/p][/quote]I am neither trying to justify or defend terrorist acts, all I am doing is looking through your smoke screen and once again asking how you can justify your remarks about the rape of an 18 year old. Tyson was convicted in a country where it seems justice can be bought by the rich and famous, yet he was convicted.[/p][/quote]No smoke screen, I justify it simply because I was not convinced, that's my opinion, however, a percentage of 12 were... equally as they were when it came to OJ's 'innocence' the system can be manipulated by both sides..its about who they want to stay at the top. Here, There
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10:00am Mon 9 Jul 12

Georgem says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Are you suggesting it's ok for grown men to fight until they're knocked unconcious as a sport, yet we don't allow the same with animals?
We DO allow the same thing with animals. Insofar as we have the power to "allow" things to happen in the animal kingdom or otherwise. If we force animals to fight, for our entertainment, that's wrong.
No we don't, tell me a legal sport that is on TV involving animals fighting until they are unconcious.

It's only legal for humans to fight until they're knocked out in the name of sport?

Animals have more rights than humans?
Who said anything about sport? A fox might eat a rabbit. That's not sport, that's the food chain in action. We don't legislate against that, because, well, it makes zero sense to even imagine we could. "Mr Fox, you are charged with being a natural predator with intent, under section 8 of the Interfering With Nature Act". Doesn't happen.

Quite simple, really. It's got nothing to do with "rights" or TV, or anything. Time to turn off the TV, I think.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Are you suggesting it's ok for grown men to fight until they're knocked unconcious as a sport, yet we don't allow the same with animals?[/p][/quote]We DO allow the same thing with animals. Insofar as we have the power to "allow" things to happen in the animal kingdom or otherwise. If we force animals to fight, for our entertainment, that's wrong.[/p][/quote]No we don't, tell me a legal sport that is on TV involving animals fighting until they are unconcious. It's only legal for humans to fight until they're knocked out in the name of sport? Animals have more rights than humans?[/p][/quote]Who said anything about sport? A fox might eat a rabbit. That's not sport, that's the food chain in action. We don't legislate against that, because, well, it makes zero sense to even imagine we could. "Mr Fox, you are charged with being a natural predator with intent, under section 8 of the Interfering With Nature Act". Doesn't happen. Quite simple, really. It's got nothing to do with "rights" or TV, or anything. Time to turn off the TV, I think. Georgem
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10:41am Mon 9 Jul 12

sarfhamton says...

Not sure what about 95% of these comments have to do with this at all.

Basically would i pay £150 to see Mike Tyson? No.

Should people have the right to do so? Yes.

My only concern is why would anyone want to see this rapist idiot?
Not sure what about 95% of these comments have to do with this at all. Basically would i pay £150 to see Mike Tyson? No. Should people have the right to do so? Yes. My only concern is why would anyone want to see this rapist idiot? sarfhamton
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11:08am Tue 10 Jul 12

karenchi says...

Seems nobody on here has heard of the ESTA visa.. .. you do not apply for a visa waiver.. you need the esta which then gives a whole wealth of information to the US on a persons background.. amazing what you can gleen from a passport number... If you have been to America lately you will know that you are finger printed on entry and these finger prints are cross referenced with every criminal record bureau available. If you have a criminal record, you simply WONT get in
Seems nobody on here has heard of the ESTA visa.. .. you do not apply for a visa waiver.. you need the esta which then gives a whole wealth of information to the US on a persons background.. amazing what you can gleen from a passport number... If you have been to America lately you will know that you are finger printed on entry and these finger prints are cross referenced with every criminal record bureau available. If you have a criminal record, you simply WONT get in karenchi
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10:07am Tue 24 Jul 12

VW says...

The girl who was raped was an 18 year old church attender. She had been brought up to trust men. Mike Tyson invited her up to his room without asking whether she would come to his room for sex. He hid his motives from her and when they became evident, he punched two of her teeth out and raped her. since then he has expressed a wish to rape her again and her mother. Hatred of women having equal human rights, including an expectation not to be lied to as to whether you choose to have sex with a person, is epidemic all over male culture at the moment. Its like living in Nazi Germany and is very telling that the only male media genre that even features women and children on a regular basis is **** - go figure ...
The girl who was raped was an 18 year old church attender. She had been brought up to trust men. Mike Tyson invited her up to his room without asking whether she would come to his room for sex. He hid his motives from her and when they became evident, he punched two of her teeth out and raped her. since then he has expressed a wish to rape her again and her mother. Hatred of women having equal human rights, including an expectation not to be lied to as to whether you choose to have sex with a person, is epidemic all over male culture at the moment. Its like living in Nazi Germany and is very telling that the only male media genre that even features women and children on a regular basis is **** - go figure ... VW
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10:09am Tue 24 Jul 12

VW says...

Sorry, didn't realise that po*n is a banned word
Sorry, didn't realise that po*n is a banned word VW
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