Hampshire soldiers to protect volleyball at Olympics (From Daily Echo)

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Family Man wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Have you been to a football match, or even cricket? The way you are treated suggests the enemy is within! And we are the suspects....

Over the Edge wrote:
The Tigers to stand guard at beach volleyball at Royal Horseguards Parade for Olympics.....lucky buggers, all those lovely ladies in skimpy bikini's, a reward for battling the Taliban so well maybe, I bet they can't wait

Shoong wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:
The Tigers to stand guard at beach volleyball at Royal Horseguards Parade for Olympics.....lucky buggers, all those lovely ladies in skimpy bikini's, a reward for battling the Taliban so well maybe, I bet they can't wait

Yeh, I'm sure they are made up if they've just come back from a tour and wanted to spend time with the wife and kids!

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

Shoong wrote:

Family Man wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Have you been to a football match, or even cricket? The way you are treated suggests the enemy is within! And we are the suspects....

Peter? Paranoia?

No way.

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Yep. Bin Laden named several specific incidents that led to the decision to carry out the 9/11 attacks. According to one story from him, the point of the attack was to so outrage the US citizens, that they demand their government change it's foreign policy so that they would no longer be a target. The plan - if that was the aim - hasn't worked, obviously, and respective governments have spun events to gain further control over us.

Entire transcript of bin Laden's speech, courtesy of Al Jazeera:

http://www.aljazeera

.com/archive/2004/11

/200849163336457223.

html

Of course, one has to take the preachings of a known terrorist with a pinch of salt, and whatever the reason behind the attack, 3000 people lost their lives, that shouldn't have. But it's food for thought.

southy wrote:
I been places around this world you can only dream about.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Yep. Bin Laden named several specific incidents that led to the decision to carry out the 9/11 attacks. According to one story from him, the point of the attack was to so outrage the US citizens, that they demand their government change it's foreign policy so that they would no longer be a target. The plan - if that was the aim - hasn't worked, obviously, and respective governments have spun events to gain further control over us.

Entire transcript of bin Laden's speech, courtesy of Al Jazeera:

http://www.aljazeera


.com/archive/2004/11


/200849163336457223.


html

Of course, one has to take the preachings of a known terrorist with a pinch of salt, and whatever the reason behind the attack, 3000 people lost their lives, that shouldn't have. But it's food for thought.

Did you know Bin Laden was trained by the USA and was also given money and arms to fight the Russians in Afghanistan with a Taliban army and after the Russians had gone, the USA try to dictate to Afghanistan but they would not play ball with the USA.
Have you though about it the other way also, Afghanistan is a Gateway country it is need to run an oil pipe line though, plus there is very large lithium metal deposits (used for Batterys in Lap tops, mobile phones ect) if its not the largest deposit in the world it is very close, think there was an est of $30 billion worth.
It would not be the first time a Goverment has committed a major crime against the people of there country, and is why i am keeping a very open mind on that matter.
Oh also there is no Death mask photos of Bin Laden, and that alone should want you to start asking questions why is there none, that question came up in the UN meeting a mth ago.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Who says they are coming after us? That's a bit short sighted.

With so many countries competing, there are going to be some countries that have beefs with each other and some nut job might decide that the Olympics is a good opportunity because of the world's attention is focused on London.

Lest we forget, the 1972 Olympics tragedy was held in West Germany but it was a Palestinian group Black September that targeted Israeli athletes.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Who says they are coming after us? That's a bit short sighted.

With so many countries competing, there are going to be some countries that have beefs with each other and some nut job might decide that the Olympics is a good opportunity because of the world's attention is focused on London.

Lest we forget, the 1972 Olympics tragedy was held in West Germany but it was a Palestinian group Black September that targeted Israeli athletes.

We should not make enemies of each other then should we. You would of though we would of learned from the last 2 major wars, but not we have not we carry on invading other countrys all for the wrong reasons.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

St Retford wrote:
I think you guys are over-thinking this story. It exists mainly as an excuse to put a picture of a beach volleyball player into the newspaper.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up.
Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath.
Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think.
Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people.
Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

St Retford wrote:
I think you guys are over-thinking this story. It exists mainly as an excuse to put a picture of a beach volleyball player into the newspaper.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Yep. Bin Laden named several specific incidents that led to the decision to carry out the 9/11 attacks. According to one story from him, the point of the attack was to so outrage the US citizens, that they demand their government change it's foreign policy so that they would no longer be a target. The plan - if that was the aim - hasn't worked, obviously, and respective governments have spun events to gain further control over us.

Entire transcript of bin Laden's speech, courtesy of Al Jazeera:

http://www.aljazeera



.com/archive/2004/11



/200849163336457223.



html

Of course, one has to take the preachings of a known terrorist with a pinch of salt, and whatever the reason behind the attack, 3000 people lost their lives, that shouldn't have. But it's food for thought.

Did you know Bin Laden was trained by the USA and was also given money and arms to fight the Russians in Afghanistan with a Taliban army and after the Russians had gone, the USA try to dictate to Afghanistan but they would not play ball with the USA.
Have you though about it the other way also, Afghanistan is a Gateway country it is need to run an oil pipe line though, plus there is very large lithium metal deposits (used for Batterys in Lap tops, mobile phones ect) if its not the largest deposit in the world it is very close, think there was an est of $30 billion worth.
It would not be the first time a Goverment has committed a major crime against the people of there country, and is why i am keeping a very open mind on that matter.
Oh also there is no Death mask photos of Bin Laden, and that alone should want you to start asking questions why is there none, that question came up in the UN meeting a mth ago.

Yep. Funny smells surround the whole affair.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up.
Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath.
Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think.
Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people.
Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

Southy, as I said yesterday, Rahit Maryada is NOT A PERSON! It is a code of conduct. Think about those words for a minute.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up.
Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath.
Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think.
Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people.
Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

Southy, as I said yesterday, Rahit Maryada is NOT A PERSON! It is a code of conduct. Think about those words for a minute.

Georgem are you mixing up.
Sikh Rahit Marayada and Sikh Reht Maryada and Sikh Rehat Maryada,
**** confusing names.

Family Man wrote:
Am I alone in finding the attitude of this government and that of many of those who went before almost breathtakingly hypocritical.

Perhaps more so with the armed forces but in many ways the entire public sector is wheeled out to sort out the issues of the day, only to be slapped in the face when it suits. In this case the private sector failed completely and utterly even though only one party's dogma is "private is best, public is automatically bad". And at this particular time when men are dying in Afghanistan whilst others are being made redundant as a result of a "strategic review" .... You didn't see this one coming did you Cameron, Clegg and Osborne!

But I don't blame this government only, as I said, previous governments have largely been the same, use The men when you need them, discard them and ignore them when you don't.

I suggest everyone reads the poem "Tommy" by Rudyard Kipling on a regular basis to remind themselves, although Lord knows, something as poignant as Remembrance Sunday doesn't seem to be enough!

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

freefinker wrote:
southy, redbridge, 5:26pm Sat 8 Jan 11. says: -

“and has admitting when i am wrong i am one of the only few people on here that will do that"

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Yep. Bin Laden named several specific incidents that led to the decision to carry out the 9/11 attacks. According to one story from him, the point of the attack was to so outrage the US citizens, that they demand their government change it's foreign policy so that they would no longer be a target. The plan - if that was the aim - hasn't worked, obviously, and respective governments have spun events to gain further control over us.

Entire transcript of bin Laden's speech, courtesy of Al Jazeera:

http://www.aljazeera


.com/archive/2004/11


/200849163336457223.


html

Of course, one has to take the preachings of a known terrorist with a pinch of salt, and whatever the reason behind the attack, 3000 people lost their lives, that shouldn't have. But it's food for thought.

Did you know Bin Laden was trained by the USA and was also given money and arms to fight the Russians in Afghanistan with a Taliban army and after the Russians had gone, the USA try to dictate to Afghanistan but they would not play ball with the USA.
Have you though about it the other way also, Afghanistan is a Gateway country it is need to run an oil pipe line though, plus there is very large lithium metal deposits (used for Batterys in Lap tops, mobile phones ect) if its not the largest deposit in the world it is very close, think there was an est of $30 billion worth.
It would not be the first time a Goverment has committed a major crime against the people of there country, and is why i am keeping a very open mind on that matter.
Oh also there is no Death mask photos of Bin Laden, and that alone should want you to start asking questions why is there none, that question came up in the UN meeting a mth ago.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Yep. Bin Laden named several specific incidents that led to the decision to carry out the 9/11 attacks. According to one story from him, the point of the attack was to so outrage the US citizens, that they demand their government change it's foreign policy so that they would no longer be a target. The plan - if that was the aim - hasn't worked, obviously, and respective governments have spun events to gain further control over us.

Entire transcript of bin Laden's speech, courtesy of Al Jazeera:

http://www.aljazeera



.com/archive/2004/11



/200849163336457223.



html

Of course, one has to take the preachings of a known terrorist with a pinch of salt, and whatever the reason behind the attack, 3000 people lost their lives, that shouldn't have. But it's food for thought.

Did you know Bin Laden was trained by the USA and was also given money and arms to fight the Russians in Afghanistan with a Taliban army and after the Russians had gone, the USA try to dictate to Afghanistan but they would not play ball with the USA.
Have you though about it the other way also, Afghanistan is a Gateway country it is need to run an oil pipe line though, plus there is very large lithium metal deposits (used for Batterys in Lap tops, mobile phones ect) if its not the largest deposit in the world it is very close, think there was an est of $30 billion worth.
It would not be the first time a Goverment has committed a major crime against the people of there country, and is why i am keeping a very open mind on that matter.
Oh also there is no Death mask photos of Bin Laden, and that alone should want you to start asking questions why is there none, that question came up in the UN meeting a mth ago.

Yes of course we knew that, it is not unique for a former ally to turn against the good guys and use their own (the good guys) weapons against them.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up.
Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath.
Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think.
Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people.
Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

Southy, as I said yesterday, Rahit Maryada is NOT A PERSON! It is a code of conduct. Think about those words for a minute.

Georgem are you mixing up.
Sikh Rahit Marayada and Sikh Reht Maryada and Sikh Rehat Maryada,
**** confusing names.

Georgem wrote:
Deafening silence from the southy camp...

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Yep. Bin Laden named several specific incidents that led to the decision to carry out the 9/11 attacks. According to one story from him, the point of the attack was to so outrage the US citizens, that they demand their government change it's foreign policy so that they would no longer be a target. The plan - if that was the aim - hasn't worked, obviously, and respective governments have spun events to gain further control over us.

Entire transcript of bin Laden's speech, courtesy of Al Jazeera:

http://www.aljazeera


.com/archive/2004/11


/200849163336457223.


html

Of course, one has to take the preachings of a known terrorist with a pinch of salt, and whatever the reason behind the attack, 3000 people lost their lives, that shouldn't have. But it's food for thought.

Did you know Bin Laden was trained by the USA and was also given money and arms to fight the Russians in Afghanistan with a Taliban army and after the Russians had gone, the USA try to dictate to Afghanistan but they would not play ball with the USA.
Have you though about it the other way also, Afghanistan is a Gateway country it is need to run an oil pipe line though, plus there is very large lithium metal deposits (used for Batterys in Lap tops, mobile phones ect) if its not the largest deposit in the world it is very close, think there was an est of $30 billion worth.
It would not be the first time a Goverment has committed a major crime against the people of there country, and is why i am keeping a very open mind on that matter.
Oh also there is no Death mask photos of Bin Laden, and that alone should want you to start asking questions why is there none, that question came up in the UN meeting a mth ago.

freefinker wrote:
.. southy. You're not listening.

Show us just one URL referring to Rahit Maryada as a man.

My search engine comes up with 22,400 results for Rahit Maryada - bet you a fiver you can't find a single one relating to an individual of that name.

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:
.. southy. You're not listening.

Show us just one URL referring to Rahit Maryada as a man.

My search engine comes up with 22,400 results for Rahit Maryada - bet you a fiver you can't find a single one relating to an individual of that name.

I work with a Sikh so was able to ask him.

'Sikh Rehat Maryada' is the code of conduct for Sikhs apparently.

In 1950 the current Sikh Rehat Maryada was produced based upon the work of Sikh scholars, seeking to better standardise Sikh practices throughout the international community.

Hope this clears it all up.

freefinker wrote:

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:
.. southy. You're not listening.

Show us just one URL referring to Rahit Maryada as a man.

My search engine comes up with 22,400 results for Rahit Maryada - bet you a fiver you can't find a single one relating to an individual of that name.

I work with a Sikh so was able to ask him.

'Sikh Rehat Maryada' is the code of conduct for Sikhs apparently.

In 1950 the current Sikh Rehat Maryada was produced based upon the work of Sikh scholars, seeking to better standardise Sikh practices throughout the international community.

Hope this clears it all up.

.. yes, as Georgem and I have been saying for a couple of days now.

It appears to be only southy who has secret info (no doubt only obtainable on a 'pay-for website' he subscribes to) that Rahit Maryada is, in fact, an individual.

Obviously, all the 22,000 free-to-use websites mentioning Rahit Maryada have been got at by evil hackers to alter the truth.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote: What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about. Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up. Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath. Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think. Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people. Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

Southy, as I said yesterday, Rahit Maryada is NOT A PERSON! It is a code of conduct. Think about those words for a minute.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Yep. Bin Laden named several specific incidents that led to the decision to carry out the 9/11 attacks. According to one story from him, the point of the attack was to so outrage the US citizens, that they demand their government change it's foreign policy so that they would no longer be a target. The plan - if that was the aim - hasn't worked, obviously, and respective governments have spun events to gain further control over us.

Entire transcript of bin Laden's speech, courtesy of Al Jazeera:

http://www.aljazeera

.com/archive/2004/11

/200849163336457223.

html

Of course, one has to take the preachings of a known terrorist with a pinch of salt, and whatever the reason behind the attack, 3000 people lost their lives, that shouldn't have. But it's food for thought.

Home Rule for England wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Yep. Bin Laden named several specific incidents that led to the decision to carry out the 9/11 attacks. According to one story from him, the point of the attack was to so outrage the US citizens, that they demand their government change it's foreign policy so that they would no longer be a target. The plan - if that was the aim - hasn't worked, obviously, and respective governments have spun events to gain further control over us.

Entire transcript of bin Laden's speech, courtesy of Al Jazeera:

http://www.aljazeera


.com/archive/2004/11


/200849163336457223.


html

Of course, one has to take the preachings of a known terrorist with a pinch of salt, and whatever the reason behind the attack, 3000 people lost their lives, that shouldn't have. But it's food for thought.

And what specific incidents led Bin Laden to the decision to blow up innocent women and children in Iraq I wonder?

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

Let me break this to you gently - that was in 1948.

Now you might want to sit down for this one and hold on to something - it is the year 2012.

I think things might have changed a little bit since then y'know?

freefinker wrote:

Home Rule for England wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Yep. Bin Laden named several specific incidents that led to the decision to carry out the 9/11 attacks. According to one story from him, the point of the attack was to so outrage the US citizens, that they demand their government change it's foreign policy so that they would no longer be a target. The plan - if that was the aim - hasn't worked, obviously, and respective governments have spun events to gain further control over us.

Entire transcript of bin Laden's speech, courtesy of Al Jazeera:

http://www.aljazeera



.com/archive/2004/11



/200849163336457223.



html

Of course, one has to take the preachings of a known terrorist with a pinch of salt, and whatever the reason behind the attack, 3000 people lost their lives, that shouldn't have. But it's food for thought.

And what specific incidents led Bin Laden to the decision to blow up innocent women and children in Iraq I wonder?

.. one might also ask 'what specific incidents' led the US/UK to kill hundreds of thousands of 'innocent women and children in Iraq'.

rich the stitch wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote: What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about. Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up. Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath. Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think. Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people. Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

Southy, as I said yesterday, Rahit Maryada is NOT A PERSON! It is a code of conduct. Think about those words for a minute.

Am I right in saying that Southy is a councillor/ represents a political party or similar? Well Southy you’ve just made yourself look like all the politicians out there – Cameron, Clegg and yes Thatcher. Been proven wrong, but not got the balls to stand up and admit you’ve made a mistake. The government is a shambles as it’s full of people exactly like you. Hang your head in shame. Will there be a response? Of course not.

IronLady2010 wrote:
Good on The Tigers, this is what are troops are for, to protect our Country and be there no matter what. Hope all of them are kept safe from nutters!

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote: What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about. Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up. Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath. Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think. Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people. Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

Southy, as I said yesterday, Rahit Maryada is NOT A PERSON! It is a code of conduct. Think about those words for a minute.

Am I right in saying that Southy is a councillor/ represents a political party or similar? Well Southy you’ve just made yourself look like all the politicians out there – Cameron, Clegg and yes Thatcher. Been proven wrong, but not got the balls to stand up and admit you’ve made a mistake. The government is a shambles as it’s full of people exactly like you. Hang your head in shame. Will there be a response? Of course not.

That's OK if that is your view of it, but not everyone sees it like that, time will tell if it is a shambles, but there is little as an individual that we can do about it until the next election.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote: What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about. Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up. Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath. Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think. Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people. Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

Southy, as I said yesterday, Rahit Maryada is NOT A PERSON! It is a code of conduct. Think about those words for a minute.

Am I right in saying that Southy is a councillor/ represents a political party or similar? Well Southy you’ve just made yourself look like all the politicians out there – Cameron, Clegg and yes Thatcher. Been proven wrong, but not got the balls to stand up and admit you’ve made a mistake. The government is a shambles as it’s full of people exactly like you. Hang your head in shame. Will there be a response? Of course not.

That's OK if that is your view of it, but not everyone sees it like that, time will tell if it is a shambles, but there is little as an individual that we can do about it until the next election.

Georgem "Sikh Reht Maryada" is the code of conduct, not Rahit Maryada.
Mind you this is not easy to understand Georgem there is Rahit Marayada ,Reht Maryada, Rehat Maryada and more that are close, So which is which, I know who to ask but not seeing him till the weekend, I am going by translated pages on the web and you know how I feel about the web.

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote: What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about. Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up. Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath. Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think. Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people. Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

Southy, as I said yesterday, Rahit Maryada is NOT A PERSON! It is a code of conduct. Think about those words for a minute.

Am I right in saying that Southy is a councillor/ represents a political party or similar? Well Southy you’ve just made yourself look like all the politicians out there – Cameron, Clegg and yes Thatcher. Been proven wrong, but not got the balls to stand up and admit you’ve made a mistake. The government is a shambles as it’s full of people exactly like you. Hang your head in shame. Will there be a response? Of course not.

That's OK if that is your view of it, but not everyone sees it like that, time will tell if it is a shambles, but there is little as an individual that we can do about it until the next election.

Georgem "Sikh Reht Maryada" is the code of conduct, not Rahit Maryada.
Mind you this is not easy to understand Georgem there is Rahit Marayada ,Reht Maryada, Rehat Maryada and more that are close, So which is which, I know who to ask but not seeing him till the weekend, I am going by translated pages on the web and you know how I feel about the web.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

I am on a learning curve here, so keep throwing things my way. I know the real basics but I want to know more.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote: What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about. Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

Was not a blunder Georgem it was a direct copy and paste from his works, check him up. Think what you was saying, because what you was said even Pagan Religion as one god at the very top with lesser gods underneath. Sikh religion is an off shot of hidu and are of a warrior class, and Guru Nanak who they worship is not any god it was a person born in the late1400's I think. Mono Religion only came abbout because kings in the middle east wanted to thin the numbers Gods down to have more control over its people. Any not here wait till some thing like that subject comes up, because it worth debating about and can be very interesting topic even for atheists

Southy, as I said yesterday, Rahit Maryada is NOT A PERSON! It is a code of conduct. Think about those words for a minute.

Am I right in saying that Southy is a councillor/ represents a political party or similar? Well Southy you’ve just made yourself look like all the politicians out there – Cameron, Clegg and yes Thatcher. Been proven wrong, but not got the balls to stand up and admit you’ve made a mistake. The government is a shambles as it’s full of people exactly like you. Hang your head in shame. Will there be a response? Of course not.

That's OK if that is your view of it, but not everyone sees it like that, time will tell if it is a shambles, but there is little as an individual that we can do about it until the next election.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

I am on a learning curve here, so keep throwing things my way. I know the real basics but I want to know more.

Lesson one:

When you're trying to learn stuff on the fly like this, by googling stuff someone else is posting, and you don't really understand it, you're going to get something wrong at some point. There's nothing wrong with that. There's no shame in saying "Yes, I totally mis-read that bit!" You're not an expert in Sikhism, nobody expects you to be. You won't lose any face by saying "Yep, I had no idea what I was talking about there!" You WILL lose face by carrying on the charade, and insisting you're right, even though in reality you know that you're winging it big style.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Murray mint wrote:

southy wrote:
What as this world come to where you need arm forces or a security firm to protect the competitors, Have the Governments made that many enemies in the world where its no longer safe to take part in or go and watch events like this

Good lord, I can mostly put up with your stupidity on local issues, but this comment is insane. Get yourself a passport, go visit the world.

I been places around this world you can only dream about.

Its not insane at all unless your a warmonger type person, did we have all this tight security at the last London Olymipcs, no we did not all there was Stewards to direct people about the place.

So southy. About your blunder yesterday about Rahit Maryada. Any thoughts?

I am on a learning curve here, so keep throwing things my way. I know the real basics but I want to know more.

Lesson one:

When you're trying to learn stuff on the fly like this, by googling stuff someone else is posting, and you don't really understand it, you're going to get something wrong at some point. There's nothing wrong with that. There's no shame in saying "Yes, I totally mis-read that bit!" You're not an expert in Sikhism, nobody expects you to be. You won't lose any face by saying "Yep, I had no idea what I was talking about there!" You WILL lose face by carrying on the charade, and insisting you're right, even though in reality you know that you're winging it big style.

I did say I was copy and paste from a site (i tend not to google search i uses an older one that gives the full search hits).
If you carried you would off seen me say thanxs for the information and i have learned a lot there, i know who to ask just that i don't see him that much now days, I like there attitude on mind altering substance like alcohol and drugs, its reasonable morals to have.

Georgem wrote:
Deafening silence from the southy camp...

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Deafening silence from the southy camp...

Oh by the way i had to shoot out for a numbers of hours.

Remploy are going to go on strike

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Deafening silence from the southy camp...

Oh by the way i had to shoot out for a numbers of hours.

Remploy are going to go on strike

Oh, really? Sorry, my mistake. I assumed you'd gone quiet to avoid admitting you were wrong. Sorry for the mixup!

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Deafening silence from the southy camp...

Oh by the way i had to shoot out for a numbers of hours.

Remploy are going to go on strike

Oh, really? Sorry, my mistake. I assumed you'd gone quiet to avoid admitting you were wrong. Sorry for the mixup!

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Deafening silence from the southy camp...

Oh by the way i had to shoot out for a numbers of hours.

Remploy are going to go on strike

Oh, really? Sorry, my mistake. I assumed you'd gone quiet to avoid admitting you were wrong. Sorry for the mixup!

theres going to be 19 strikes in the next 4 to 5 weeks, why don't the unions get there head together and all go out on strike together, they might as well get it over and done with

Family Man wrote:
Am I alone in finding the attitude of this government and that of many of those who went before almost breathtakingly hypocritical.

Perhaps more so with the armed forces but in many ways the entire public sector is wheeled out to sort out the issues of the day, only to be slapped in the face when it suits. In this case the private sector failed completely and utterly even though only one party's dogma is "private is best, public is automatically bad". And at this particular time when men are dying in Afghanistan whilst others are being made redundant as a result of a "strategic review" .... You didn't see this one coming did you Cameron, Clegg and Osborne!

But I don't blame this government only, as I said, previous governments have largely been the same, use The men when you need them, discard them and ignore them when you don't.

I suggest everyone reads the poem "Tommy" by Rudyard Kipling on a regular basis to remind themselves, although Lord knows, something as poignant as Remembrance Sunday doesn't seem to be enough!

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Family Man wrote:
Am I alone in finding the attitude of this government and that of many of those who went before almost breathtakingly hypocritical.

Perhaps more so with the armed forces but in many ways the entire public sector is wheeled out to sort out the issues of the day, only to be slapped in the face when it suits. In this case the private sector failed completely and utterly even though only one party's dogma is "private is best, public is automatically bad". And at this particular time when men are dying in Afghanistan whilst others are being made redundant as a result of a "strategic review" .... You didn't see this one coming did you Cameron, Clegg and Osborne!

But I don't blame this government only, as I said, previous governments have largely been the same, use The men when you need them, discard them and ignore them when you don't.

I suggest everyone reads the poem "Tommy" by Rudyard Kipling on a regular basis to remind themselves, although Lord knows, something as poignant as Remembrance Sunday doesn't seem to be enough!

No sir you are not alone. Your views on this subject are shared by most with open minds