Bring back our pool (From Daily Echo)

Southy, did you go? Is the report accurate? Whats your view?

LH where are you?

Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
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My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

School is going. Pool would mean less homes to be built = less money to council coffers. When something in need of money spent on it can raise more by being sold off than repaired it will be sold off. Still wondering just where the extra children on this development and the OS site one are going to secondary school?

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
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They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

hulla baloo wrote:
Southy, did you go? Is the report accurate? Whats your view?

Yes I did go, its close enough for me, fair bit missing. theres was over 100 there.

Like Councillor Payne mention about the Lordshill master plan thats beening work on for a number of years, but he was not allowed to tell us yet.
After the meeting I tried to get Councillor Moulton to sign the save Oaklands Swimming Pool Petition, He would not (which says alot as seeing we meant to be untied in keeping it open though all partys), He let slip part of the Lordshill master plan to me, and that was Sainsburys new store is wanted to build a new Store on Oakland School grounds.
If this is done then there will be no room for Swimming pool and that would of been gone to. So why did the Torys say they would fight to keep it open, well thats easy they all ready knew that they was going to lose control of the Council before the election, so they could more or less say what they want, knowing to well any promises made would not matter. It would also explain well the last Tory Council over 4 years starved the pool of Cash, they was deliberately running the pool down, and the same happened to the school being run down getting it all ready for this Lordshill Master Plan.
Its true about the figures being giving out they are well above the true figures being banded about.

Also hulla baloo found out last night that the Socialist Party with the TUSC are the onlys ones doing a open public Petition to save Oaklands Swimming Pool.

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:
Southy, did you go? Is the report accurate? Whats your view?

Yes I did go, its close enough for me, fair bit missing. theres was over 100 there.

Like Councillor Payne mention about the Lordshill master plan thats beening work on for a number of years, but he was not allowed to tell us yet.
After the meeting I tried to get Councillor Moulton to sign the save Oaklands Swimming Pool Petition, He would not (which says alot as seeing we meant to be untied in keeping it open though all partys), He let slip part of the Lordshill master plan to me, and that was Sainsburys new store is wanted to build a new Store on Oakland School grounds.
If this is done then there will be no room for Swimming pool and that would of been gone to. So why did the Torys say they would fight to keep it open, well thats easy they all ready knew that they was going to lose control of the Council before the election, so they could more or less say what they want, knowing to well any promises made would not matter. It would also explain well the last Tory Council over 4 years starved the pool of Cash, they was deliberately running the pool down, and the same happened to the school being run down getting it all ready for this Lordshill Master Plan.
Its true about the figures being giving out they are well above the true figures being banded about.

Southy if you're going to quote Moulton why not tell it all ?
If the Pool was to be knocked down in the Lordshill Master Plan A new Pool would be built.
You & Ant say you know what the tories are/were planning so why is it you haven't read their Manifesto?
It states in there this is what would happen so they've never lied about it.
The one thing I feel they did wrong was not including an Olympic sized pool as part of the New school.
This could have been accomplished by putting another tier onto the existing building.
now the helipad has moved there should be no problem with it.
The pool on the ground level & the school above a bit like David LLoyds

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
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They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it.
so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on.
I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt?
Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities.
when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know?
they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know.
Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools.
If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

Ant let's see if you can speak the truth?
Did not the last Labour Government cut £25million from the money it sends to Southampton City Council?
So no matter who won that local election cuts would have had to be made?
did not Labour criticise the selling off of the leisure facilities ( running of said facilities)?

No secret that I am not keen on Tories, but when it comes to saving an important facility like Oaklands Pool all of us should be forgetting our political differences and getting together as people of the area against local authority that is guilty of neglecting Coxford over the years, under all three parties. Even most step mothers do not treat children so bad.

Arrogant Cllr. Payne who even insulted people by suggesting they were basically rebels (Somebody probably will quote his exact words) admitted that over last 30 years Council actually has treated Coxford shabbily, but did not apologise for insulting the people.

In the past I represented Coxford on both County and City Councils. Both authorities have asset stripped this area and have often tried to dump on us what we can do without.

They tried to encourage Southampton University to destroy nearby forest by turning it into concrete jungle. Put privately owned football stadium on Five Acres site, and closed Aldermoor School for selling its land. Sainsbury was allowed to operate bingo that creates traffic disturbances in the area. Repairs of small community buildings were ignored, some even disposed off along with some small play areas. List is endless. In all fairness Labour eventually gave funds for Coxford Community Centre.

I was able to challenge some of these lunacies because local people and members of Labour like Don kept on supporting me against right wing virtual Mafia dominated by middle class pseudo socialists like Arnold and followers of politically dodgy people like John Denham.

Posh people from Portswood who dominate Slippery Liberal Democrats also ignored straight talking people of Coxford. Hardly surprising Tories were not very keen on working class area of Lordshill, so no surprise they looked after their own and ignored Coxford.

So from Coxford point of view, record of all three parties stinks. Because all of them have traditionally been dominated by stuck up snobs who are more interested in PR gimmicks for promoting their own political careers, which means money is poured in areas they represent.

I accept that plenty of people on this site like society at large are selfish people who are only interested in their own services, but want others to depend upon sharks of private enterprise. They should also learn to accept that many of us believe that democratically elected Councils should be providing various services, some of which will need to be subsidised, otherwise many won’t be able to afford those. Otherwise it will create frictions in society.

In my view that is why this Swimming Pool should be saved, and if Council is allowed to get away with inflicting this cut upon Coxford, people in other areas should be prepared for whatever Dear Leader led unfit for the purpose mob will do to their services next.

Yes yesterday Cllr. Payne was used by Dear Leader as sacrificial lamb. All he could tell us was that he and his coward colleagues are scared of Tory Eric Pickles in London, so I had to tell him: If they can’t stand heat why do they not get out and let somebody else do the job…

Most people of Coxford are fed up with Party Political ‘ping pong’ all they want is to save their swimming pool and NuLabour Group to lay off our two councillors Don Thomas and Keith Morrell.

Payne was warned if NuLabourites pick upon Don and Keith then be prepared when Coxford hits back. I dare NuLabourites to take action against Don and Keith, we the ordinary people of Coxford will show them what will happens next.

Over to Dear Leader and his kennel full of poodles…. Good at making noises but otherwise useless…. I think they are called NuLabourites

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:
Southy, did you go? Is the report accurate? Whats your view?

Yes I did go, its close enough for me, fair bit missing. theres was over 100 there.

Like Councillor Payne mention about the Lordshill master plan thats beening work on for a number of years, but he was not allowed to tell us yet.
After the meeting I tried to get Councillor Moulton to sign the save Oaklands Swimming Pool Petition, He would not (which says alot as seeing we meant to be untied in keeping it open though all partys), He let slip part of the Lordshill master plan to me, and that was Sainsburys new store is wanted to build a new Store on Oakland School grounds.
If this is done then there will be no room for Swimming pool and that would of been gone to. So why did the Torys say they would fight to keep it open, well thats easy they all ready knew that they was going to lose control of the Council before the election, so they could more or less say what they want, knowing to well any promises made would not matter. It would also explain well the last Tory Council over 4 years starved the pool of Cash, they was deliberately running the pool down, and the same happened to the school being run down getting it all ready for this Lordshill Master Plan.
Its true about the figures being giving out they are well above the true figures being banded about.

Southy if you're going to quote Moulton why not tell it all ?
If the Pool was to be knocked down in the Lordshill Master Plan A new Pool would be built.
You & Ant say you know what the tories are/were planning so why is it you haven't read their Manifesto?
It states in there this is what would happen so they've never lied about it.
The one thing I feel they did wrong was not including an Olympic sized pool as part of the New school.
This could have been accomplished by putting another tier onto the existing building.
now the helipad has moved there should be no problem with it.
The pool on the ground level & the school above a bit like David LLoyds

No new Pool Loose, Oasis do not want a public pool.
Off coase they never lied they knew that it was never going to happen any way, it was a promise they knew they did not need to worrie about, like all the rest of the manifest of the Torys, because it was all ready known that the Torys would lose the May 2012 Council elections, and that was known back in the May Election 2011. the Torys know that they will not win the next May Elections in 2014 and its the one after that they got there sights on.

Cllr. Payne was asked following three simple questions by me, but he did not answer any of these.

1) Is he suggesting that Labour Group under Whitehead were wrong to build swimming pools if they are not needed? If so is he undermining MP of his own party?

2) When his party nationally is very rightly criticising Hunt for failing to promise more funds for sports after Olympics, is it not hypocrisy of NuLabour in Southampton closing swimming pool or does he think that nationally the Leadership of his party is out of touch, are lunatics and absolutely wrong?

3) If he thinks heat is too much in the kitchen because of issues with national government why did he get in the first place and why does he not get out now and let somebody else do the job?

May be due to pain inflicted upon Cllr. Payne by people last night he could not answer, he could do it on this site now.

loosehead wrote:
At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it.
so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on.
I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt?
Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities.
when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know?
they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know.
Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools.
If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field.
The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
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Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

Ant let's see if you can speak the truth?
Did not the last Labour Government cut £25million from the money it sends to Southampton City Council?
So no matter who won that local election cuts would have had to be made?
did not Labour criticise the selling off of the leisure facilities ( running of said facilities)?

Loserhead
"Labour Government cut £25million from the money it sends to Southampton City Council?"
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Just remind me of the evidence for this? I want a link and dates. I dont want a link from those mad Tory sites you visit nor do I want to know what some random Tory told you when you were last in Wetherspoons!! ust an accurate piece of evidence that suggests Labour, remember I am not a fan of New Labour, cut millions from council budgets!

So it looks like it was an interesting meeting the.
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So in a nutshell what is the outcome from the meeting ??
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100 turned up .... thats all from a neighbourhood that thought so much of the pool ...... and i would guess that 25% had never been in it.
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Secret plans revealled by ace Councillor Moulton to Southy and Loosehead only!!
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It transpires that Cllr Moulton and the rest of the Tories actually new that the pool was going to close anyway ...... ...... as it was in Their plans to do it.
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So why has Cllr Moulton shown on one side that he wants the pool kept open ........ but on the other side .... knows it was going to CLOSE ANYWAY.
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Is that being two faced ....... Is that lying by a Cllr .......
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Why doesnt he do something for the community as opposed to manipulating situations for his own Political positon.
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Lone Ranger. wrote:
So it looks like it was an interesting meeting the.
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So in a nutshell what is the outcome from the meeting ??
.
100 turned up .... thats all from a neighbourhood that thought so much of the pool ...... and i would guess that 25% had never been in it.
.
Secret plans revealled by ace Councillor Moulton to Southy and Loosehead only!!
.
It transpires that Cllr Moulton and the rest of the Tories actually new that the pool was going to close anyway ...... ...... as it was in Their plans to do it.
.
So why has Cllr Moulton shown on one side that he wants the pool kept open ........ but on the other side .... knows it was going to CLOSE ANYWAY.
.
Is that being two faced ....... Is that lying by a Cllr .......
.
Why doesnt he do something for the community as opposed to manipulating situations for his own Political positon.
.

The Lordshill master plan, a regeneration plan is at lest 10 years in the making, and what it really doing is showing that the Torys and Labour with the Lib/Dems have been drawing this up together where one is eft off the other takes over and carrys it on.
It was a Labour Councillor Warwick Payne, who was the Labour replacement to Labour Council leader Williams (who made up an excuse for not being there him self to answer to the public) who brought up about this master plan for Lordshill.

Judging from the picture the Echo have provided, I feel we should keep the pool and force these people to use it. Most in that picture are obese and are certainly in need of some exercise.

Where are the kids? This is the blue rinse brigade thinking they were going to Bingo!

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it.
so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on.
I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt?
Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities.
when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know?
they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know.
Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools.
If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field.
The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park.
I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

Ant let's see if you can speak the truth?
Did not the last Labour Government cut £25million from the money it sends to Southampton City Council?
So no matter who won that local election cuts would have had to be made?
did not Labour criticise the selling off of the leisure facilities ( running of said facilities)?

Loserhead
"Labour Government cut £25million from the money it sends to Southampton City Council?"
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Just remind me of the evidence for this? I want a link and dates. I dont want a link from those mad Tory sites you visit nor do I want to know what some random Tory told you when you were last in Wetherspoons!! ust an accurate piece of evidence that suggests Labour, remember I am not a fan of New Labour, cut millions from council budgets!

Ant I couldn't find the exact article but this was taken from an article about getting a private company into running the leisure facilities & at that time we still had a Labour Government.
WHEN councillors in Southampton meet today to thrash out how they will plug a record £25m budget hole, one department will escape the savagery.
I hope this clarities it ?

Lone Ranger. wrote:
So it looks like it was an interesting meeting the.
.
So in a nutshell what is the outcome from the meeting ??
.
100 turned up .... thats all from a neighbourhood that thought so much of the pool ...... and i would guess that 25% had never been in it.
.
Secret plans revealled by ace Councillor Moulton to Southy and Loosehead only!!
.
It transpires that Cllr Moulton and the rest of the Tories actually new that the pool was going to close anyway ...... ...... as it was in Their plans to do it.
.
So why has Cllr Moulton shown on one side that he wants the pool kept open ........ but on the other side .... knows it was going to CLOSE ANYWAY.
.
Is that being two faced ....... Is that lying by a Cllr .......
.
Why doesnt he do something for the community as opposed to manipulating situations for his own Political positon.
.

Lone Ranger I hadn't seen the Tory manifesto but read a post from Southy so I e-mailed Moulton & found out about the Lordshill plan then & it says if the Pool was to be knocked down a new one would be built.
The Tories object to the knocking down of this facility or complete closure with out a new Pool being built & opened so sorry but if you look up the Tory manifesto you can see for yourself

cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

Lone Ranger. wrote:
So it looks like it was an interesting meeting the.
.
So in a nutshell what is the outcome from the meeting ??
.
100 turned up .... thats all from a neighbourhood that thought so much of the pool ...... and i would guess that 25% had never been in it.
.
Secret plans revealled by ace Councillor Moulton to Southy and Loosehead only!!
.
It transpires that Cllr Moulton and the rest of the Tories actually new that the pool was going to close anyway ...... ...... as it was in Their plans to do it.
.
So why has Cllr Moulton shown on one side that he wants the pool kept open ........ but on the other side .... knows it was going to CLOSE ANYWAY.
.
Is that being two faced ....... Is that lying by a Cllr .......
.
Why doesnt he do something for the community as opposed to manipulating situations for his own Political positon.
.

Lone Ranger may have cleverly spun this issue to score points against Tories on behalf of NuLabour. Should be congratulated for applying his skills for what LR may think promotes his Party. Hope it will be appreciated by mostly invisible Dear Leader because that can hardly be the case with voters in Coxford.

BUT neither LR nor NuLabour will be gloating when due to arrogance of NuLabourites same people will be delivering order of the boot up closet conservatives backside through ballot box.

Strangely Daley has just won bronze and NuLabour run Council is trying to make sure kids of Labour supporting Coxford won't learn even to swim.

hulla baloo wrote:
Southy, did you go? Is the report accurate? Whats your view?

your a diiiick

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I can understand your frustration with so far more than slippery record of Cllr. Sally Spicer.

I can't understand why not only she failed to say even a single word in support of her constituents, but as you have truthfully stated was **** rude.

These NuLabourites appear to have a death wish. They just are not willing to listen.

After the meeting I and Sue Fletcher (also former Labour councillor) tried to talk to one of the nicer and intelligent NuLabour councillor. We tried to give our advice to help his Group in getting out of mess. Sadly even he had is sums wrong and even tried to blame sue for not having worked hard when she was councillor but also for losing her election. Anybody can go through records Sue did not lose and served people well even after standing down she kept on helping members of her community.

I assure you trying to convince these people even for their own good is not easy. Only choice we in Coxford have got left is to organise, and remember how shabbily likes of Spicer have behaved till next election then use votes to wipe the smirk of her face.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it.
so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on.
I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt?
Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities.
when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know?
they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know.
Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools.
If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field.
The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park.
I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road.
Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I was at the meeting so you must have been one of the far left numpties at the back shouting personal abuse.
I know Sally Spicer has been working with the Labour administration and council officers to find a way through this. There are more ways to get what you want as a councillor than shouting from the rooftops at public meetings or being quoted in the Echo.
Sally has taken a brave and mature stand on this issue.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I can understand your frustration with so far more than slippery record of Cllr. Sally Spicer.

I can't understand why not only she failed to say even a single word in support of her constituents, but as you have truthfully stated was **** rude.

These NuLabourites appear to have a death wish. They just are not willing to listen.

After the meeting I and Sue Fletcher (also former Labour councillor) tried to talk to one of the nicer and intelligent NuLabour councillor. We tried to give our advice to help his Group in getting out of mess. Sadly even he had is sums wrong and even tried to blame sue for not having worked hard when she was councillor but also for losing her election. Anybody can go through records Sue did not lose and served people well even after standing down she kept on helping members of her community.

I assure you trying to convince these people even for their own good is not easy. Only choice we in Coxford have got left is to organise, and remember how shabbily likes of Spicer have behaved till next election then use votes to wipe the smirk of her face.

Parmi
Thanks for calling me nice and intelligent.

I actually enjoy winding up members of the far left as it is very easy to do. Sorry to get facts wrong on Sue Fletcher and when she was a councillor. I was trying (not very well) to make the point that under old Labour we lost seats like Coxford because certain councillors allowed the local party to rot and lost contact with the electorate.

sottondave wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I can understand your frustration with so far more than slippery record of Cllr. Sally Spicer.

I can't understand why not only she failed to say even a single word in support of her constituents, but as you have truthfully stated was **** rude.

These NuLabourites appear to have a death wish. They just are not willing to listen.

After the meeting I and Sue Fletcher (also former Labour councillor) tried to talk to one of the nicer and intelligent NuLabour councillor. We tried to give our advice to help his Group in getting out of mess. Sadly even he had is sums wrong and even tried to blame sue for not having worked hard when she was councillor but also for losing her election. Anybody can go through records Sue did not lose and served people well even after standing down she kept on helping members of her community.

I assure you trying to convince these people even for their own good is not easy. Only choice we in Coxford have got left is to organise, and remember how shabbily likes of Spicer have behaved till next election then use votes to wipe the smirk of her face.

Parmi
Thanks for calling me nice and intelligent.

I actually enjoy winding up members of the far left as it is very easy to do. Sorry to get facts wrong on Sue Fletcher and when she was a councillor. I was trying (not very well) to make the point that under old Labour we lost seats like Coxford because certain councillors allowed the local party to rot and lost contact with the electorate.

Whats the point of your party now days, when your only offering the same as the Torys, now days if you vote Labour you might as well vote Tory, There was a time when you would not off seen a Labour Party member at the Bilderberg meeting, in the last 25 years, a meeting as not gone by with out a Labour Party members being there.

southy wrote:

sottondave wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I can understand your frustration with so far more than slippery record of Cllr. Sally Spicer.

I can't understand why not only she failed to say even a single word in support of her constituents, but as you have truthfully stated was **** rude.

These NuLabourites appear to have a death wish. They just are not willing to listen.

After the meeting I and Sue Fletcher (also former Labour councillor) tried to talk to one of the nicer and intelligent NuLabour councillor. We tried to give our advice to help his Group in getting out of mess. Sadly even he had is sums wrong and even tried to blame sue for not having worked hard when she was councillor but also for losing her election. Anybody can go through records Sue did not lose and served people well even after standing down she kept on helping members of her community.

I assure you trying to convince these people even for their own good is not easy. Only choice we in Coxford have got left is to organise, and remember how shabbily likes of Spicer have behaved till next election then use votes to wipe the smirk of her face.

Parmi
Thanks for calling me nice and intelligent.

I actually enjoy winding up members of the far left as it is very easy to do. Sorry to get facts wrong on Sue Fletcher and when she was a councillor. I was trying (not very well) to make the point that under old Labour we lost seats like Coxford because certain councillors allowed the local party to rot and lost contact with the electorate.

Whats the point of your party now days, when your only offering the same as the Torys, now days if you vote Labour you might as well vote Tory, There was a time when you would not off seen a Labour Party member at the Bilderberg meeting, in the last 25 years, a meeting as not gone by with out a Labour Party members being there.

What is the alternative? We all vote TUSC? The party who have no idea on reality? Come on Southy, I admire you for your persistence but no-one takes you for real. I would have considered TUSC had you not been involved. The sooner TUSC distance themselves from you, then they may well be taken as credible, until then......

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

sottondave wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I can understand your frustration with so far more than slippery record of Cllr. Sally Spicer.

I can't understand why not only she failed to say even a single word in support of her constituents, but as you have truthfully stated was **** rude.

These NuLabourites appear to have a death wish. They just are not willing to listen.

After the meeting I and Sue Fletcher (also former Labour councillor) tried to talk to one of the nicer and intelligent NuLabour councillor. We tried to give our advice to help his Group in getting out of mess. Sadly even he had is sums wrong and even tried to blame sue for not having worked hard when she was councillor but also for losing her election. Anybody can go through records Sue did not lose and served people well even after standing down she kept on helping members of her community.

I assure you trying to convince these people even for their own good is not easy. Only choice we in Coxford have got left is to organise, and remember how shabbily likes of Spicer have behaved till next election then use votes to wipe the smirk of her face.

Parmi
Thanks for calling me nice and intelligent.

I actually enjoy winding up members of the far left as it is very easy to do. Sorry to get facts wrong on Sue Fletcher and when she was a councillor. I was trying (not very well) to make the point that under old Labour we lost seats like Coxford because certain councillors allowed the local party to rot and lost contact with the electorate.

Whats the point of your party now days, when your only offering the same as the Torys, now days if you vote Labour you might as well vote Tory, There was a time when you would not off seen a Labour Party member at the Bilderberg meeting, in the last 25 years, a meeting as not gone by with out a Labour Party members being there.

What is the alternative? We all vote TUSC? The party who have no idea on reality? Come on Southy, I admire you for your persistence but no-one takes you for real. I would have considered TUSC had you not been involved. The sooner TUSC distance themselves from you, then they may well be taken as credible, until then......

This is the reality you support IronLady2010 having a Political party that is 100% capitalist in its Economic and Political Policy, The Partys of Cuts and mavise job losses, a Economy that will never be fully out of recession, High Unemployment, more poverity, more homeless, higher crime rate, a war monger machine of greed, the more you got the less tax you pay, Thats what it really means to support capitalism.
Capitalism is a system that puts Money and Power before People.
At lest with Socialism you put People first and Money and after with power last.

P.S. IronLady2010 the last 32 years have proven that, and what it really means to be 100% Capitalist.

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
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They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
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Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

sottondave wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I was at the meeting so you must have been one of the far left numpties at the back shouting personal abuse.
I know Sally Spicer has been working with the Labour administration and council officers to find a way through this. There are more ways to get what you want as a councillor than shouting from the rooftops at public meetings or being quoted in the Echo.
Sally has taken a brave and mature stand on this issue.

Dave's, I can give you my word that Lordshill Loyal is not member and as far as I know even contact/ supporter of any, what you call 'far left' group. I do not know if he is or not member of any political party.

In packed hall I stood near him but did not hear him use any foul language. He is obviously resident of our area and his anger reflects the genuine feelings of most of the people of Coxford.

I am sorry I do not share your views about proven slippery Cllr. Spicer. She made public statement along with Cllrs. Don Thomas and Keith Morrell to oppose closing Oaklands pool. In fact she'd used much stronger and emotive language than reasoned words used by Don and Keith, BUT then went on to not only vote with NuLabour whip, but also spoke in favour of your budget.

At this meeting she did not say even single word in support of the ward she represent. I believe it was her moral duty to use her position and skills to explain to Cllr. Payne what people think or be honest and face music like Cllr. Payne.

If both I and Sue who have stood down from Council many years ago can still remain thankful to those who once voted for us and feel morally obliged to stand solid with them, why this Spicer girl could not do that?

That is why both Sue and I were trying to tell you that there is something seriously wrong in how your Dear Leader and his Deputy are running the Council and Controlling NuLabour Group.

I believe Alan Whitehead was best leader. Under him as Councillor for Coxford I not only opposed within the Group idea of building stadium for Saints on our open space of Five Acres and building university by destroying forest on the edge of our ward, I even ran a campaign and spoke for the people in public meetings. Alan not only accepted but also respected my right to speak for people who'd voted me. And both schemes got scrapped.

You may not be aware how much grief Sue and her husband used to give to our Labour Group when they were involved in campaign against Poll Tax.


But unlike leadership of local Labour of that time The Dear Leader and his Deputy these days have neither the ability nor confidence and you lot are happy because they have isolated you from realities and keep on misleading you that every disaster they create is good news.

So Spicer may be liked and appreciated by Dear Leader but eventually one day she will have to beg for votes from those whom she has betrayed, but she will also find having become unpopular like George and Peggy Melrose and few others did.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
So it looks like it was an interesting meeting the.
.
So in a nutshell what is the outcome from the meeting ??
.
100 turned up .... thats all from a neighbourhood that thought so much of the pool ...... and i would guess that 25% had never been in it.
.
Secret plans revealled by ace Councillor Moulton to Southy and Loosehead only!!
.
It transpires that Cllr Moulton and the rest of the Tories actually new that the pool was going to close anyway ...... ...... as it was in Their plans to do it.
.
So why has Cllr Moulton shown on one side that he wants the pool kept open ........ but on the other side .... knows it was going to CLOSE ANYWAY.
.
Is that being two faced ....... Is that lying by a Cllr .......
.
Why doesnt he do something for the community as opposed to manipulating situations for his own Political positon.
.

Lone Ranger may have cleverly spun this issue to score points against Tories on behalf of NuLabour. Should be congratulated for applying his skills for what LR may think promotes his Party. Hope it will be appreciated by mostly invisible Dear Leader because that can hardly be the case with voters in Coxford.

BUT neither LR nor NuLabour will be gloating when due to arrogance of NuLabourites same people will be delivering order of the boot up closet conservatives backside through ballot box.

Strangely Daley has just won bronze and NuLabour run Council is trying to make sure kids of Labour supporting Coxford won't learn even to swim.

Interesting that you should take the view that i was "spinning" for which i have no proven skill.
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However, i made the point re the "misleading" that has been printed/spoken from a particular cllr .... unfortunately you fail to recognise that yet continue to mouth others off.
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You obviously and very conveniently missed my point.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

sottondave wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I was at the meeting so you must have been one of the far left numpties at the back shouting personal abuse.
I know Sally Spicer has been working with the Labour administration and council officers to find a way through this. There are more ways to get what you want as a councillor than shouting from the rooftops at public meetings or being quoted in the Echo.
Sally has taken a brave and mature stand on this issue.

Dave's, I can give you my word that Lordshill Loyal is not member and as far as I know even contact/ supporter of any, what you call 'far left' group. I do not know if he is or not member of any political party.

In packed hall I stood near him but did not hear him use any foul language. He is obviously resident of our area and his anger reflects the genuine feelings of most of the people of Coxford.

I am sorry I do not share your views about proven slippery Cllr. Spicer. She made public statement along with Cllrs. Don Thomas and Keith Morrell to oppose closing Oaklands pool. In fact she'd used much stronger and emotive language than reasoned words used by Don and Keith, BUT then went on to not only vote with NuLabour whip, but also spoke in favour of your budget.

At this meeting she did not say even single word in support of the ward she represent. I believe it was her moral duty to use her position and skills to explain to Cllr. Payne what people think or be honest and face music like Cllr. Payne.

If both I and Sue who have stood down from Council many years ago can still remain thankful to those who once voted for us and feel morally obliged to stand solid with them, why this Spicer girl could not do that?

That is why both Sue and I were trying to tell you that there is something seriously wrong in how your Dear Leader and his Deputy are running the Council and Controlling NuLabour Group.

I believe Alan Whitehead was best leader. Under him as Councillor for Coxford I not only opposed within the Group idea of building stadium for Saints on our open space of Five Acres and building university by destroying forest on the edge of our ward, I even ran a campaign and spoke for the people in public meetings. Alan not only accepted but also respected my right to speak for people who'd voted me. And both schemes got scrapped.

You may not be aware how much grief Sue and her husband used to give to our Labour Group when they were involved in campaign against Poll Tax.


But unlike leadership of local Labour of that time The Dear Leader and his Deputy these days have neither the ability nor confidence and you lot are happy because they have isolated you from realities and keep on misleading you that every disaster they create is good news.

So Spicer may be liked and appreciated by Dear Leader but eventually one day she will have to beg for votes from those whom she has betrayed, but she will also find having become unpopular like George and Peggy Melrose and few others did.

Could someone tell me what the Lordshill master plan is. It's sounds that it might be interesting. Are there any master plans for Sholing or Shirley? Who's behind the master plan? Is Townhill Park a master plan?What are the costs of master plans?
Why are master plans kept secret?
So many questions.

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
So it looks like it was an interesting meeting the.
.
So in a nutshell what is the outcome from the meeting ??
.
100 turned up .... thats all from a neighbourhood that thought so much of the pool ...... and i would guess that 25% had never been in it.
.
Secret plans revealled by ace Councillor Moulton to Southy and Loosehead only!!
.
It transpires that Cllr Moulton and the rest of the Tories actually new that the pool was going to close anyway ...... ...... as it was in Their plans to do it.
.
So why has Cllr Moulton shown on one side that he wants the pool kept open ........ but on the other side .... knows it was going to CLOSE ANYWAY.
.
Is that being two faced ....... Is that lying by a Cllr .......
.
Why doesnt he do something for the community as opposed to manipulating situations for his own Political positon.
.

Lone Ranger I hadn't seen the Tory manifesto but read a post from Southy so I e-mailed Moulton & found out about the Lordshill plan then & it says if the Pool was to be knocked down a new one would be built.
The Tories object to the knocking down of this facility or complete closure with out a new Pool being built & opened so sorry but if you look up the Tory manifesto you can see for yourself

So basically Southy has made up yet another claim that can't be substantiated.

skin2000 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

sottondave wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I was at the meeting so you must have been one of the far left numpties at the back shouting personal abuse.
I know Sally Spicer has been working with the Labour administration and council officers to find a way through this. There are more ways to get what you want as a councillor than shouting from the rooftops at public meetings or being quoted in the Echo.
Sally has taken a brave and mature stand on this issue.

Dave's, I can give you my word that Lordshill Loyal is not member and as far as I know even contact/ supporter of any, what you call 'far left' group. I do not know if he is or not member of any political party.

In packed hall I stood near him but did not hear him use any foul language. He is obviously resident of our area and his anger reflects the genuine feelings of most of the people of Coxford.

I am sorry I do not share your views about proven slippery Cllr. Spicer. She made public statement along with Cllrs. Don Thomas and Keith Morrell to oppose closing Oaklands pool. In fact she'd used much stronger and emotive language than reasoned words used by Don and Keith, BUT then went on to not only vote with NuLabour whip, but also spoke in favour of your budget.

At this meeting she did not say even single word in support of the ward she represent. I believe it was her moral duty to use her position and skills to explain to Cllr. Payne what people think or be honest and face music like Cllr. Payne.

If both I and Sue who have stood down from Council many years ago can still remain thankful to those who once voted for us and feel morally obliged to stand solid with them, why this Spicer girl could not do that?

That is why both Sue and I were trying to tell you that there is something seriously wrong in how your Dear Leader and his Deputy are running the Council and Controlling NuLabour Group.

I believe Alan Whitehead was best leader. Under him as Councillor for Coxford I not only opposed within the Group idea of building stadium for Saints on our open space of Five Acres and building university by destroying forest on the edge of our ward, I even ran a campaign and spoke for the people in public meetings. Alan not only accepted but also respected my right to speak for people who'd voted me. And both schemes got scrapped.

You may not be aware how much grief Sue and her husband used to give to our Labour Group when they were involved in campaign against Poll Tax.


But unlike leadership of local Labour of that time The Dear Leader and his Deputy these days have neither the ability nor confidence and you lot are happy because they have isolated you from realities and keep on misleading you that every disaster they create is good news.

So Spicer may be liked and appreciated by Dear Leader but eventually one day she will have to beg for votes from those whom she has betrayed, but she will also find having become unpopular like George and Peggy Melrose and few others did.

Could someone tell me what the Lordshill master plan is. It's sounds that it might be interesting. Are there any master plans for Sholing or Shirley? Who's behind the master plan? Is Townhill Park a master plan?What are the costs of master plans?
Why are master plans kept secret?
So many questions.

Take a look at the Tory manifesto it's in there

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it.
so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on.
I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt?
Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities.
when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know?
they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know.
Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools.
If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field.
The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park.
I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road.
Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

You are really wrong on this one.
Test playing field (Park) has Southampton Rugby Club & now you have Southampton Institute sports ground there ( college or Uni) the area allocated to Southampton RUFC has there clubhouse & as you're looking out onto their training area you will see a pitch the other nearest pitch was towards Redbridge school but now is in the place where the running track was.
Southy I've walked around the pitch I've cheered on Southampton & if you can see the running pitch then you have a some imagination!
Let me tell you again I coached down there I also know they got some equipment in to bury it & put their first team pitch close to their clubhouse so please get it right

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote: At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it. so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on. I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt? Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities. when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know? they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know. Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools. If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field. The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park. I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road. Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

You are really wrong on this one. Test playing field (Park) has Southampton Rugby Club & now you have Southampton Institute sports ground there ( college or Uni) the area allocated to Southampton RUFC has there clubhouse & as you're looking out onto their training area you will see a pitch the other nearest pitch was towards Redbridge school but now is in the place where the running track was. Southy I've walked around the pitch I've cheered on Southampton & if you can see the running pitch then you have a some imagination! Let me tell you again I coached down there I also know they got some equipment in to bury it & put their first team pitch close to their clubhouse so please get it right

If you look on google maps, on the satellite version you can clearly see the rugby pitch in the middle but you can also see the remains of the running truck quite clearly around the outside!

Test Playing Field being put under ownership of Southampton Uni although wholly developed with Public Money, both local and Central is equally as farcical...that is not a community facility and only accessible if you want to pay a premium..the alignment with Oakwood was conditional to their funding, however, Oakwood or moreover the parents of the kids within their many teams will find the association very tough on their pockets and would suggest not sustainable..The Uni's are taking over the Asylum

loosehead wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

sottondave wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I was at the meeting so you must have been one of the far left numpties at the back shouting personal abuse.
I know Sally Spicer has been working with the Labour administration and council officers to find a way through this. There are more ways to get what you want as a councillor than shouting from the rooftops at public meetings or being quoted in the Echo.
Sally has taken a brave and mature stand on this issue.

Dave's, I can give you my word that Lordshill Loyal is not member and as far as I know even contact/ supporter of any, what you call 'far left' group. I do not know if he is or not member of any political party.

In packed hall I stood near him but did not hear him use any foul language. He is obviously resident of our area and his anger reflects the genuine feelings of most of the people of Coxford.

I am sorry I do not share your views about proven slippery Cllr. Spicer. She made public statement along with Cllrs. Don Thomas and Keith Morrell to oppose closing Oaklands pool. In fact she'd used much stronger and emotive language than reasoned words used by Don and Keith, BUT then went on to not only vote with NuLabour whip, but also spoke in favour of your budget.

At this meeting she did not say even single word in support of the ward she represent. I believe it was her moral duty to use her position and skills to explain to Cllr. Payne what people think or be honest and face music like Cllr. Payne.

If both I and Sue who have stood down from Council many years ago can still remain thankful to those who once voted for us and feel morally obliged to stand solid with them, why this Spicer girl could not do that?

That is why both Sue and I were trying to tell you that there is something seriously wrong in how your Dear Leader and his Deputy are running the Council and Controlling NuLabour Group.

I believe Alan Whitehead was best leader. Under him as Councillor for Coxford I not only opposed within the Group idea of building stadium for Saints on our open space of Five Acres and building university by destroying forest on the edge of our ward, I even ran a campaign and spoke for the people in public meetings. Alan not only accepted but also respected my right to speak for people who'd voted me. And both schemes got scrapped.

You may not be aware how much grief Sue and her husband used to give to our Labour Group when they were involved in campaign against Poll Tax.


But unlike leadership of local Labour of that time The Dear Leader and his Deputy these days have neither the ability nor confidence and you lot are happy because they have isolated you from realities and keep on misleading you that every disaster they create is good news.

So Spicer may be liked and appreciated by Dear Leader but eventually one day she will have to beg for votes from those whom she has betrayed, but she will also find having become unpopular like George and Peggy Melrose and few others did.

Could someone tell me what the Lordshill master plan is. It's sounds that it might be interesting. Are there any master plans for Sholing or Shirley? Who's behind the master plan? Is Townhill Park a master plan?What are the costs of master plans?
Why are master plans kept secret?
So many questions.

Take a look at the Tory manifesto it's in there

I have had a look Loosehead, no mention of Lordshill master plan.

pushamara wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote: At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it. so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on. I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt? Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities. when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know? they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know. Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools. If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field. The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park. I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road. Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

You are really wrong on this one. Test playing field (Park) has Southampton Rugby Club & now you have Southampton Institute sports ground there ( college or Uni) the area allocated to Southampton RUFC has there clubhouse & as you're looking out onto their training area you will see a pitch the other nearest pitch was towards Redbridge school but now is in the place where the running track was. Southy I've walked around the pitch I've cheered on Southampton & if you can see the running pitch then you have a some imagination! Let me tell you again I coached down there I also know they got some equipment in to bury it & put their first team pitch close to their clubhouse so please get it right

If you look on google maps, on the satellite version you can clearly see the rugby pitch in the middle but you can also see the remains of the running truck quite clearly around the outside!

I was going to say that the pitch your on about was in the middle of the track, Its not been remark up yet for this year.
They are not allowed to remove the Cinder Track its part of the conditions when the Gas Sports lease the grounds to Southampton city council on a 999 year lease, thats why they let it over grow, and not removed it.

Here, There wrote:
Test Playing Field being put under ownership of Southampton Uni although wholly developed with Public Money, both local and Central is equally as farcical...that is not a community facility and only accessible if you want to pay a premium..the alignment with Oakwood was conditional to their funding, however, Oakwood or moreover the parents of the kids within their many teams will find the association very tough on their pockets and would suggest not sustainable..The Uni's are taking over the Asylum

Southampton Uni are running Test Playing fields (for the next 10 years I think).
There are 2 Public footpaths that run though Test Playing fields, in which there will be a dispute over soon.

For the last 9 years my family has used this pool weekly with my 3 daughters using it until it closed. Swimming is a skill that is essential it could possibly save your life and this is why my children have learned to swim at this pool.
The problem is the pool was not run correctly and not looked after there is no reason this pool should be run at a loss.
The repairs could be done using the money from the sale of the land around the pool which the council plans on doing anyway.
If the schools gym was included with the pool and the site was promoted as a fitness centre and correctly run it could break even, the cost of using the centre would be less then commercial centres in the area.
Will this happen, no because the land the pool is on is worth to much for development and the council wants the money for other projects.
If the council really wanted to save this pool and keep it running they could but it has been run at a loss with no attempt to change this, it's better to pay a little more for a swim and have a pool then lose the pool completely.

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

sottondave wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I was at the meeting so you must have been one of the far left numpties at the back shouting personal abuse.
I know Sally Spicer has been working with the Labour administration and council officers to find a way through this. There are more ways to get what you want as a councillor than shouting from the rooftops at public meetings or being quoted in the Echo.
Sally has taken a brave and mature stand on this issue.

Dave's, I can give you my word that Lordshill Loyal is not member and as far as I know even contact/ supporter of any, what you call 'far left' group. I do not know if he is or not member of any political party.

In packed hall I stood near him but did not hear him use any foul language. He is obviously resident of our area and his anger reflects the genuine feelings of most of the people of Coxford.

I am sorry I do not share your views about proven slippery Cllr. Spicer. She made public statement along with Cllrs. Don Thomas and Keith Morrell to oppose closing Oaklands pool. In fact she'd used much stronger and emotive language than reasoned words used by Don and Keith, BUT then went on to not only vote with NuLabour whip, but also spoke in favour of your budget.

At this meeting she did not say even single word in support of the ward she represent. I believe it was her moral duty to use her position and skills to explain to Cllr. Payne what people think or be honest and face music like Cllr. Payne.

If both I and Sue who have stood down from Council many years ago can still remain thankful to those who once voted for us and feel morally obliged to stand solid with them, why this Spicer girl could not do that?

That is why both Sue and I were trying to tell you that there is something seriously wrong in how your Dear Leader and his Deputy are running the Council and Controlling NuLabour Group.

I believe Alan Whitehead was best leader. Under him as Councillor for Coxford I not only opposed within the Group idea of building stadium for Saints on our open space of Five Acres and building university by destroying forest on the edge of our ward, I even ran a campaign and spoke for the people in public meetings. Alan not only accepted but also respected my right to speak for people who'd voted me. And both schemes got scrapped.

You may not be aware how much grief Sue and her husband used to give to our Labour Group when they were involved in campaign against Poll Tax.


But unlike leadership of local Labour of that time The Dear Leader and his Deputy these days have neither the ability nor confidence and you lot are happy because they have isolated you from realities and keep on misleading you that every disaster they create is good news.

So Spicer may be liked and appreciated by Dear Leader but eventually one day she will have to beg for votes from those whom she has betrayed, but she will also find having become unpopular like George and Peggy Melrose and few others did.

Could someone tell me what the Lordshill master plan is. It's sounds that it might be interesting. Are there any master plans for Sholing or Shirley? Who's behind the master plan? Is Townhill Park a master plan?What are the costs of master plans?
Why are master plans kept secret?
So many questions.

Take a look at the Tory manifesto it's in there

I have had a look Loosehead, no mention of Lordshill master plan.

E-mail Jeremymoulton@southa
mpton gov.com to get the right e-mail address look up city council

pushamara wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote: At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it. so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on. I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt? Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities. when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know? they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know. Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools. If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field. The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park. I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road. Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

You are really wrong on this one. Test playing field (Park) has Southampton Rugby Club & now you have Southampton Institute sports ground there ( college or Uni) the area allocated to Southampton RUFC has there clubhouse & as you're looking out onto their training area you will see a pitch the other nearest pitch was towards Redbridge school but now is in the place where the running track was. Southy I've walked around the pitch I've cheered on Southampton & if you can see the running pitch then you have a some imagination! Let me tell you again I coached down there I also know they got some equipment in to bury it & put their first team pitch close to their clubhouse so please get it right

If you look on google maps, on the satellite version you can clearly see the rugby pitch in the middle but you can also see the remains of the running truck quite clearly around the outside!

Mate take a walk down there & see if you can run around it?

southy wrote:

pushamara wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote: At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it. so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on. I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt? Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities. when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know? they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know. Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools. If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field. The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park. I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road. Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

You are really wrong on this one. Test playing field (Park) has Southampton Rugby Club & now you have Southampton Institute sports ground there ( college or Uni) the area allocated to Southampton RUFC has there clubhouse & as you're looking out onto their training area you will see a pitch the other nearest pitch was towards Redbridge school but now is in the place where the running track was. Southy I've walked around the pitch I've cheered on Southampton & if you can see the running pitch then you have a some imagination! Let me tell you again I coached down there I also know they got some equipment in to bury it & put their first team pitch close to their clubhouse so please get it right

If you look on google maps, on the satellite version you can clearly see the rugby pitch in the middle but you can also see the remains of the running truck quite clearly around the outside!

I was going to say that the pitch your on about was in the middle of the track, Its not been remark up yet for this year.
They are not allowed to remove the Cinder Track its part of the conditions when the Gas Sports lease the grounds to Southampton city council on a 999 year lease, thats why they let it over grow, and not removed it.

Okay put on you're running shoes tell me where the starting line is & show me how you can run on the cinder track when I've stood there with umbrella up on grass not a running track or cinders

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

pushamara wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote: At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it. so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on. I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt? Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities. when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know? they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know. Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools. If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field. The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park. I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road. Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

You are really wrong on this one. Test playing field (Park) has Southampton Rugby Club & now you have Southampton Institute sports ground there ( college or Uni) the area allocated to Southampton RUFC has there clubhouse & as you're looking out onto their training area you will see a pitch the other nearest pitch was towards Redbridge school but now is in the place where the running track was. Southy I've walked around the pitch I've cheered on Southampton & if you can see the running pitch then you have a some imagination! Let me tell you again I coached down there I also know they got some equipment in to bury it & put their first team pitch close to their clubhouse so please get it right

If you look on google maps, on the satellite version you can clearly see the rugby pitch in the middle but you can also see the remains of the running truck quite clearly around the outside!

I was going to say that the pitch your on about was in the middle of the track, Its not been remark up yet for this year.
They are not allowed to remove the Cinder Track its part of the conditions when the Gas Sports lease the grounds to Southampton city council on a 999 year lease, thats why they let it over grow, and not removed it.

Okay put on you're running shoes tell me where the starting line is & show me how you can run on the cinder track when I've stood there with umbrella up on grass not a running track or cinders

The 100 meter start line is at the south end, the start of the 200 meter line is at the south west corner of the pitch, the start of the full circuit for 400, 800, 1600, 2,000 meters and the finishing line is in-line with the 22 meter line on the north end.
If you take a walk around that over grown cinder track you can still see the lines burned into the ground where lime was used as markers, (the Cinder Track is only Over Grown and not buried or removed)
The reason why you only have a small pitch and not a full size pitch inside the track is because the Cinder track as got to remain part of the lease conditions, and it was only the smallest size pitch that could fit inside the track.

skin2000 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

sottondave wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I was at the meeting so you must have been one of the far left numpties at the back shouting personal abuse.
I know Sally Spicer has been working with the Labour administration and council officers to find a way through this. There are more ways to get what you want as a councillor than shouting from the rooftops at public meetings or being quoted in the Echo.
Sally has taken a brave and mature stand on this issue.

Dave's, I can give you my word that Lordshill Loyal is not member and as far as I know even contact/ supporter of any, what you call 'far left' group. I do not know if he is or not member of any political party.

In packed hall I stood near him but did not hear him use any foul language. He is obviously resident of our area and his anger reflects the genuine feelings of most of the people of Coxford.

I am sorry I do not share your views about proven slippery Cllr. Spicer. She made public statement along with Cllrs. Don Thomas and Keith Morrell to oppose closing Oaklands pool. In fact she'd used much stronger and emotive language than reasoned words used by Don and Keith, BUT then went on to not only vote with NuLabour whip, but also spoke in favour of your budget.

At this meeting she did not say even single word in support of the ward she represent. I believe it was her moral duty to use her position and skills to explain to Cllr. Payne what people think or be honest and face music like Cllr. Payne.

If both I and Sue who have stood down from Council many years ago can still remain thankful to those who once voted for us and feel morally obliged to stand solid with them, why this Spicer girl could not do that?

That is why both Sue and I were trying to tell you that there is something seriously wrong in how your Dear Leader and his Deputy are running the Council and Controlling NuLabour Group.

I believe Alan Whitehead was best leader. Under him as Councillor for Coxford I not only opposed within the Group idea of building stadium for Saints on our open space of Five Acres and building university by destroying forest on the edge of our ward, I even ran a campaign and spoke for the people in public meetings. Alan not only accepted but also respected my right to speak for people who'd voted me. And both schemes got scrapped.

You may not be aware how much grief Sue and her husband used to give to our Labour Group when they were involved in campaign against Poll Tax.


But unlike leadership of local Labour of that time The Dear Leader and his Deputy these days have neither the ability nor confidence and you lot are happy because they have isolated you from realities and keep on misleading you that every disaster they create is good news.

So Spicer may be liked and appreciated by Dear Leader but eventually one day she will have to beg for votes from those whom she has betrayed, but she will also find having become unpopular like George and Peggy Melrose and few others did.

Could someone tell me what the Lordshill master plan is. It's sounds that it might be interesting. Are there any master plans for Sholing or Shirley? Who's behind the master plan? Is Townhill Park a master plan?What are the costs of master plans?
Why are master plans kept secret?
So many questions.

Lordshill Master Plan? Till I attended this meeting like most people I knew absolutely nothing about it. It was swung as total surprise by NuLabour's Cllr Payne as another pie in the sky.

Southampton Council is good at producing garbage like this. Just like various religions keep on promising better life after death, knowing nobody is going to come back to complain it was a lie. Council also keep on producing glossy documents as vision for future.... Mostly these end up collecting dust.

People of this area want Oaklands to open now so that kids may swim, not expensively produced mirage and that too for very distant future.

loosehead wrote:

pushamara wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote: At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it. so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on. I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt? Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities. when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know? they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know. Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools. If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field. The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park. I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road. Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

You are really wrong on this one. Test playing field (Park) has Southampton Rugby Club & now you have Southampton Institute sports ground there ( college or Uni) the area allocated to Southampton RUFC has there clubhouse & as you're looking out onto their training area you will see a pitch the other nearest pitch was towards Redbridge school but now is in the place where the running track was. Southy I've walked around the pitch I've cheered on Southampton & if you can see the running pitch then you have a some imagination! Let me tell you again I coached down there I also know they got some equipment in to bury it & put their first team pitch close to their clubhouse so please get it right

If you look on google maps, on the satellite version you can clearly see the rugby pitch in the middle but you can also see the remains of the running truck quite clearly around the outside!

Mate take a walk down there & see if you can run around it?

Nobody said anything about running around it did they? You clearly said its not there where photographic evidence clearly shows you are wrong!

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

sottondave wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
cllr payne is one smug b*****d.he didnt have the decency to face people when they were speaking to him.he is a disgrace as is the rest of cronies at the civic.cllr spicer what was the point of you turning up .not only did you vote for the closure of the pool. you also stood up at the council and spoke in favour for the closure of the pool.MOVE HEAVEN ON EARTH.MY A**e.when you were asked to speak your response was.i dont have to prove nothing to you lot.the bottom line is that the deal has been done they have sold the people of coxford down the river.live in a democracy ,what a joke.the lordshill master plan has been signed sealed and delivered to sainsburys.so as for the electorate of lordshill and coxford you can all go f*** yourselfs.absolute disgrace.

I was at the meeting so you must have been one of the far left numpties at the back shouting personal abuse.
I know Sally Spicer has been working with the Labour administration and council officers to find a way through this. There are more ways to get what you want as a councillor than shouting from the rooftops at public meetings or being quoted in the Echo.
Sally has taken a brave and mature stand on this issue.

Dave's, I can give you my word that Lordshill Loyal is not member and as far as I know even contact/ supporter of any, what you call 'far left' group. I do not know if he is or not member of any political party.

In packed hall I stood near him but did not hear him use any foul language. He is obviously resident of our area and his anger reflects the genuine feelings of most of the people of Coxford.

I am sorry I do not share your views about proven slippery Cllr. Spicer. She made public statement along with Cllrs. Don Thomas and Keith Morrell to oppose closing Oaklands pool. In fact she'd used much stronger and emotive language than reasoned words used by Don and Keith, BUT then went on to not only vote with NuLabour whip, but also spoke in favour of your budget.

At this meeting she did not say even single word in support of the ward she represent. I believe it was her moral duty to use her position and skills to explain to Cllr. Payne what people think or be honest and face music like Cllr. Payne.

If both I and Sue who have stood down from Council many years ago can still remain thankful to those who once voted for us and feel morally obliged to stand solid with them, why this Spicer girl could not do that?

That is why both Sue and I were trying to tell you that there is something seriously wrong in how your Dear Leader and his Deputy are running the Council and Controlling NuLabour Group.

I believe Alan Whitehead was best leader. Under him as Councillor for Coxford I not only opposed within the Group idea of building stadium for Saints on our open space of Five Acres and building university by destroying forest on the edge of our ward, I even ran a campaign and spoke for the people in public meetings. Alan not only accepted but also respected my right to speak for people who'd voted me. And both schemes got scrapped.

You may not be aware how much grief Sue and her husband used to give to our Labour Group when they were involved in campaign against Poll Tax.


But unlike leadership of local Labour of that time The Dear Leader and his Deputy these days have neither the ability nor confidence and you lot are happy because they have isolated you from realities and keep on misleading you that every disaster they create is good news.

So Spicer may be liked and appreciated by Dear Leader but eventually one day she will have to beg for votes from those whom she has betrayed, but she will also find having become unpopular like George and Peggy Melrose and few others did.

Could someone tell me what the Lordshill master plan is. It's sounds that it might be interesting. Are there any master plans for Sholing or Shirley? Who's behind the master plan? Is Townhill Park a master plan?What are the costs of master plans?
Why are master plans kept secret?
So many questions.

Lordshill Master Plan? Till I attended this meeting like most people I knew absolutely nothing about it. It was swung as total surprise by NuLabour's Cllr Payne as another pie in the sky.

Southampton Council is good at producing garbage like this. Just like various religions keep on promising better life after death, knowing nobody is going to come back to complain it was a lie. Council also keep on producing glossy documents as vision for future.... Mostly these end up collecting dust.

People of this area want Oaklands to open now so that kids may swim, not expensively produced mirage and that too for very distant future.

Yes spot on, councils get bogged down in red tape and artist impressions. Only then to be voted out, then a new lot come in with a new master plan and so it continues. Perhaps it would better if we had a non political council ,who have the interests only for residents, and not people who are looking at the council as being a stepping stone for national government.

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
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They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

skin2000 said
Yes spot on, councils get bogged down in red tape and artist impressions. Only then to be voted out, then a new lot come in with a new master plan and so it continues. Perhaps it would better if we had a non political council ,who have the interests only for residents, and not people who are looking at the council as being a stepping stone for national government.

You could only get that with Solialism in place for a Economic and Political Policy, Socialism is for the majority, Socialism is a system that is made up by the people run by the ordenary people for the ordenary people, and its because of that your would get more interest only for the residents.
The Social part of socialism implies that, to be more socialable to the majority.

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/
t/deficit-myth

pushamara wrote:

loosehead wrote:

pushamara wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote: At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it. so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on. I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt? Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities. when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know? they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know. Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools. If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field. The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park. I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road. Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

You are really wrong on this one. Test playing field (Park) has Southampton Rugby Club & now you have Southampton Institute sports ground there ( college or Uni) the area allocated to Southampton RUFC has there clubhouse & as you're looking out onto their training area you will see a pitch the other nearest pitch was towards Redbridge school but now is in the place where the running track was. Southy I've walked around the pitch I've cheered on Southampton & if you can see the running pitch then you have a some imagination! Let me tell you again I coached down there I also know they got some equipment in to bury it & put their first team pitch close to their clubhouse so please get it right

If you look on google maps, on the satellite version you can clearly see the rugby pitch in the middle but you can also see the remains of the running truck quite clearly around the outside!

Mate take a walk down there & see if you can run around it?

Nobody said anything about running around it did they? You clearly said its not there where photographic evidence clearly shows you are wrong!

Have you been there recently?
As someone who goes down there regularly Yes the oval shape of the running track is there around the pitch but you would be hard pressed to find a track.
I don't know how Google get's this picture but I know that a group of Army boys covered it up to allow the Rugby club to put the first team there

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/

t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

George4th
Your History will show that the Debt that we are in now was started in the 80's, when industary was sold off and our imports became far greater than our exports, and the restrictions to finance system removed, money now flows out of the country and not in, and once a debt is started and you have very little coming in its just going to get bigger, We should of been a very rich nation but our Oil was sold off, and what we get back in returns though Tax is less than 1% off what we would of got back if the oil had stay in states hands as a nationalise industary.
What Brown done was to compleat and finish off a Labour Policy that was started in 1945 and that was to clear the Debt from the 1920's and 30's that the Torys created and to pay off the 2 World War (wwi and wwii) loans to the USA that should off been all paid off in 1984/5, but apart from the stealing the Torys done in the 80's by selling off what we all own, they also borrowed money against the WWII loan to the USA.

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/


t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

It was Thatcher that deregulated the Banks and Finance, She was one of the first to take advantage of it, by moving her money from the UK banks and putting it in a tax free banking in Lichtenstein in the late 80's.

southy wrote:
George4th
Your History will show that the Debt that we are in now was started in the 80's, when industary was sold off and our imports became far greater than our exports, and the restrictions to finance system removed, money now flows out of the country and not in, and once a debt is started and you have very little coming in its just going to get bigger, We should of been a very rich nation but our Oil was sold off, and what we get back in returns though Tax is less than 1% off what we would of got back if the oil had stay in states hands as a nationalise industary.
What Brown done was to compleat and finish off a Labour Policy that was started in 1945 and that was to clear the Debt from the 1920's and 30's that the Torys created and to pay off the 2 World War (wwi and wwii) loans to the USA that should off been all paid off in 1984/5, but apart from the stealing the Torys done in the 80's by selling off what we all own, they also borrowed money against the WWII loan to the USA.

Fact - the Labour government inherited a rising, thriving economy.
Fact - they spent every pound and then borrowed BILLIONS on a mad bad shopping spree!
Fact - then the financial crisis hit to make it even worse!!! (A financial crisis they encouraged through opening up the ability to borrow money without regulation/collatera
l or the ability to pay!!)

loosehead wrote:

pushamara wrote:

loosehead wrote:

pushamara wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote: At test park there was a good running track but the schools never used it. so it got covered up with a Rugby pitch which the rugby club have a lease on. I heard Bellemoor/Upper Shirley High needs to be demolished & rebuilt? Any new building should have a pool as suggested above & Sports facilities. when I went there they had a long jump track but we never used it why I don't Know? they had a gym which we rarely used why again I don't know. Schools if when built have these put into place it could be a source of extra income to the Schools. If Oaklands is to be demolished & sold to Sainsbury's maybe part of the sell should include the building of a brand new pool ?

The running track at Testwood playing fields (part of the old Gas works sports grounds) is still there, and as not been covered up, the rugby pitch is up the Holy Family and back of Mansel schools end of the playing field. The track no longer gets used because of the cut backs that councils was force to do in the 80's.

Southy try going down to Test Park. I did a season of coaching down there & I can tell you they have a pitch Holy Family side but where the Running track was is now the first team pitch

I was only there 2 days ago, the track is still there over grown but still there, even the mount of spectator hill is still there, inbetween the rugby pitch and the track you have the main entrance gate to Test playing fields off Porlock Road. Try not to get mix up with Testwood park and Test playing field, Test Playing fields is the one that they ran the M27 though, and the old cricket ground is where they build new little Redbridge School, there is 2 Rugby clubs on Test playing fields now.

You are really wrong on this one. Test playing field (Park) has Southampton Rugby Club & now you have Southampton Institute sports ground there ( college or Uni) the area allocated to Southampton RUFC has there clubhouse & as you're looking out onto their training area you will see a pitch the other nearest pitch was towards Redbridge school but now is in the place where the running track was. Southy I've walked around the pitch I've cheered on Southampton & if you can see the running pitch then you have a some imagination! Let me tell you again I coached down there I also know they got some equipment in to bury it & put their first team pitch close to their clubhouse so please get it right

If you look on google maps, on the satellite version you can clearly see the rugby pitch in the middle but you can also see the remains of the running truck quite clearly around the outside!

Mate take a walk down there & see if you can run around it?

Nobody said anything about running around it did they? You clearly said its not there where photographic evidence clearly shows you are wrong!

Have you been there recently?
As someone who goes down there regularly Yes the oval shape of the running track is there around the pitch but you would be hard pressed to find a track.
I don't know how Google get's this picture but I know that a group of Army boys covered it up to allow the Rugby club to put the first team there

Google pictures mapping are old.
And yes I been there I cross that part at lest 3 times a week this time of the year with this sort of weather we had for the field mushrooms, and its not covered up its just been allowed for the weeds and grass to grow, the pitch is in side the track and its the smallest pitch you can have for rugby, because that the only one that would fit inside the track.
The cinder track can not be covered up or removed, this all came out when the Council wanted to sell the 999 year lease off to Beavis homes to build homes on test playing fields, at the same time when the council try to sell Mansel School off to a developer.

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:
George4th
Your History will show that the Debt that we are in now was started in the 80's, when industary was sold off and our imports became far greater than our exports, and the restrictions to finance system removed, money now flows out of the country and not in, and once a debt is started and you have very little coming in its just going to get bigger, We should of been a very rich nation but our Oil was sold off, and what we get back in returns though Tax is less than 1% off what we would of got back if the oil had stay in states hands as a nationalise industary.
What Brown done was to compleat and finish off a Labour Policy that was started in 1945 and that was to clear the Debt from the 1920's and 30's that the Torys created and to pay off the 2 World War (wwi and wwii) loans to the USA that should off been all paid off in 1984/5, but apart from the stealing the Torys done in the 80's by selling off what we all own, they also borrowed money against the WWII loan to the USA.

Fact - the Labour government inherited a rising, thriving economy.
Fact - they spent every pound and then borrowed BILLIONS on a mad bad shopping spree!
Fact - then the financial crisis hit to make it even worse!!! (A financial crisis they encouraged through opening up the ability to borrow money without regulation/collatera

l or the ability to pay!!)

No they inherited a small rise in the economy, the economy as been making 2 steps forward and 3 steps back, with each rise the slump drops back lower than the starting point for the rise, and its been like that since the Recession that was cause by Thatcher meddling and changing every thing, one of the other good things Labour done last time round apart from clearing old debts was to get the unemployment down to 1.6 million.
Before Thatcher come into power we had a Export market where we was exporting 2/3 our produce that we made, and our exports was far greater than our imports, Thatcher turned that around and made it our imports is far greater than our exports, and imports need to be paid for.

While i messing about with my Camera.
Jon Reeve do you want a copy of my pictures from this meeting

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:
George4th
Your History will show that the Debt that we are in now was started in the 80's, when industary was sold off and our imports became far greater than our exports, and the restrictions to finance system removed, money now flows out of the country and not in, and once a debt is started and you have very little coming in its just going to get bigger, We should of been a very rich nation but our Oil was sold off, and what we get back in returns though Tax is less than 1% off what we would of got back if the oil had stay in states hands as a nationalise industary.
What Brown done was to compleat and finish off a Labour Policy that was started in 1945 and that was to clear the Debt from the 1920's and 30's that the Torys created and to pay off the 2 World War (wwi and wwii) loans to the USA that should off been all paid off in 1984/5, but apart from the stealing the Torys done in the 80's by selling off what we all own, they also borrowed money against the WWII loan to the USA.

Fact - the Labour government inherited a rising, thriving economy.
Fact - they spent every pound and then borrowed BILLIONS on a mad bad shopping spree!
Fact - then the financial crisis hit to make it even worse!!! (A financial crisis they encouraged through opening up the ability to borrow money without regulation/collatera

l or the ability to pay!!)

It would have worked out OK if the Bankers hadn't fouled everything up, couldn't see that coming, Bankers are supposed be upright and honest pillars of Society, not thieving, Bonus grabbing incompetents.

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:
George4th
Your History will show that the Debt that we are in now was started in the 80's, when industary was sold off and our imports became far greater than our exports, and the restrictions to finance system removed, money now flows out of the country and not in, and once a debt is started and you have very little coming in its just going to get bigger, We should of been a very rich nation but our Oil was sold off, and what we get back in returns though Tax is less than 1% off what we would of got back if the oil had stay in states hands as a nationalise industary.
What Brown done was to compleat and finish off a Labour Policy that was started in 1945 and that was to clear the Debt from the 1920's and 30's that the Torys created and to pay off the 2 World War (wwi and wwii) loans to the USA that should off been all paid off in 1984/5, but apart from the stealing the Torys done in the 80's by selling off what we all own, they also borrowed money against the WWII loan to the USA.

Fact - the Labour government inherited a rising, thriving economy.
Fact - they spent every pound and then borrowed BILLIONS on a mad bad shopping spree!
Fact - then the financial crisis hit to make it even worse!!! (A financial crisis they encouraged through opening up the ability to borrow money without regulation/collatera


l or the ability to pay!!)

No they inherited a small rise in the economy, the economy as been making 2 steps forward and 3 steps back, with each rise the slump drops back lower than the starting point for the rise, and its been like that since the Recession that was cause by Thatcher meddling and changing every thing, one of the other good things Labour done last time round apart from clearing old debts was to get the unemployment down to 1.6 million.
Before Thatcher come into power we had a Export market where we was exporting 2/3 our produce that we made, and our exports was far greater than our imports, Thatcher turned that around and made it our imports is far greater than our exports, and imports need to be paid for.

None of your arguments obviate the fact that the Labour government misused the UK finances.

sotondave how true you are.yes i was one of the numpys at the back .the same numpty that voted for that lying two face councillor who stated that there be no cuts and the swimming pool wouldnt shut.than what did she do .sale her constituants down the river.she sat there with a face like a slapped backside and didnt have the decency to answer to us why she did what she did.and another thing i dont belong to no political party i am just a resident who is concerned about the damage the council have done to the quality of peoples lifes.just like you was told by the vicar when he spoke.i use to take a disabled gentleman to the pool twice a week this was enabling him to recover from his spine tumor and was making such good progress that the possibility of him walking again was a realistic dream.now his rehabilitation has been knocked sideways.sometimes in life there are things more important than money.clr williams,spicer and payne hang your head in shame.also did you hear today what red ed milliband said about the legacy of the games.? as for the masterplan i have heard about this for a while.the deal has been done you could tell that by the ignorant behaviour of clr payne when people where talking to him friday night.he knows exactly whats going on .the deal has been done.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:
George4th
Your History will show that the Debt that we are in now was started in the 80's, when industary was sold off and our imports became far greater than our exports, and the restrictions to finance system removed, money now flows out of the country and not in, and once a debt is started and you have very little coming in its just going to get bigger, We should of been a very rich nation but our Oil was sold off, and what we get back in returns though Tax is less than 1% off what we would of got back if the oil had stay in states hands as a nationalise industary.
What Brown done was to compleat and finish off a Labour Policy that was started in 1945 and that was to clear the Debt from the 1920's and 30's that the Torys created and to pay off the 2 World War (wwi and wwii) loans to the USA that should off been all paid off in 1984/5, but apart from the stealing the Torys done in the 80's by selling off what we all own, they also borrowed money against the WWII loan to the USA.

Fact - the Labour government inherited a rising, thriving economy.
Fact - they spent every pound and then borrowed BILLIONS on a mad bad shopping spree!
Fact - then the financial crisis hit to make it even worse!!! (A financial crisis they encouraged through opening up the ability to borrow money without regulation/collatera


l or the ability to pay!!)

It would have worked out OK if the Bankers hadn't fouled everything up, couldn't see that coming, Bankers are supposed be upright and honest pillars of Society, not thieving, Bonus grabbing incompetents.

The fact remains that the UK was already in economic decline when the financial crisis occurred. We were already £600 Billion in debt and rising. Vince Cable, and many others, warned the Labour government that they were heading for the financial buffers back in early 2006!! Labour government arrogance ignored the warnings!!
>
Don't forget that all the personal debt/mortgages incurred by UK citizens was as a result of the Labour Government DEREGULATING THE FINANCIAL SECTOR! Any one could get a Credit Card and there were people getting 125% Mortgages - it was La La Land!!!

Vote Tory at the next election for decent honest people.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Vote Tory at the next election for decent honest people.

Ha ha ha ha ...... The best post of the day !!!!!
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I think you will find that Cllr Moulton has proved your statement wrong already on a local basis.
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... and nationally over the last 2.5 years..... well where do you begin.. the dishonesty, lies, fiddling, and bullsh**......

Lone Ranger, I am pleased to bring happiness.
I must correct you, Cllr Moulton is an honest guy, you may not agree with him, but he is honest.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, I am pleased to bring happiness.
I must correct you, Cllr Moulton is an honest guy, you may not agree with him, but he is honest.

He slagged off Labour for closing the pool .... knowing all the time that the Tories were going to close it anyway.
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Just political sniping
.

I rest my case

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, I am pleased to bring happiness.
I must correct you, Cllr Moulton is an honest guy, you may not agree with him, but he is honest.

He slagged off Labour for closing the pool .... knowing all the time that the Tories were going to close it anyway.
.
Just political sniping
.

I rest my case

Lone Ranger if it was to close it was being demolished & they stated a new one would be built.
Has Labour promised this?
Has Labour gone into talks with the supermarket chain that wants this site?
they could have asked for a new pool to replace the old one.
LA Fitness has a pool as well as a fitness club why not as another person has suggested build a Pool & fitness centre with daily admission charges instead of monthly fees?
It could be built with Green energy Like Solar Panels all over the roof,underground pipes for heating & hot water ( swimming hot) you could cut the running costs & make it cheap enough for all to use & not be subsidised.
If Labour had/would promise to do this I don't think anyone would be slating them.
So the Tory action of the Lordshill Master Plan would have given Lordshill a brand new pool Labours doesn't so can you see the difference?

aldermoorboy wrote:
Vote Tory at the next election for decent honest people.

Really?

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/


t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
.
Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/



t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
.
Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

It was a Tory Chancellor in the early 90s during Majors premiership that brought in PFI. Again is there selective memory loss by our 'sit-at-home-tories'
?

Under the Tories PFIs were used sparingly and negotiated on terms fair to the government and the provider.
>
Under Labour PFIs proliferated as a means of keeping the costs off of the books of UK Plc because they had already spent all the money and borrowed Billions upon Billions!! They compounded their own self inflicted problems by incompetent PFI negotiation that gave the Provider BIG profit and our government very poor value for money and saddled our young with decades of debt to pay!!

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/




t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
.
Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

It was a Tory Chancellor in the early 90s during Majors premiership that brought in PFI. Again is there selective memory loss by our 'sit-at-home-tories'

?

Under the Tories PFIs were used sparingly and negotiated on terms fair to the government and the provider.
>
Under Labour PFIs proliferated as a means of keeping the costs off of the books of UK Plc because they had already spent all the money and borrowed Billions upon Billions!! They compounded their own self inflicted problems by incompetent PFI negotiation that gave the Provider BIG profit and our government very poor value for money and saddled our young with decades of debt to pay!!

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/



t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
.
Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

Irrespective of who deregulated or didn't deregulate the banks the Financial Crisis was caused by the USA deregulating the Financial Services sector in 1997. The Labour government stupidly copied the USA! Nothing was put in place to regulate it!!
Result? Well, you know the result! Run away Credit card debt, 125% Mortgages, people encouraged to spend like there was no tomorrow (The Labour government was also spending like no tomorrow!). The UK public has to take their own share of blame for their own greed and avarice.

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/





t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
.
Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

It was a Tory Chancellor in the early 90s during Majors premiership that brought in PFI. Again is there selective memory loss by our 'sit-at-home-tories'


?

Under the Tories PFIs were used sparingly and negotiated on terms fair to the government and the provider.
>
Under Labour PFIs proliferated as a means of keeping the costs off of the books of UK Plc because they had already spent all the money and borrowed Billions upon Billions!! They compounded their own self inflicted problems by incompetent PFI negotiation that gave the Provider BIG profit and our government very poor value for money and saddled our young with decades of debt to pay!!

You are so angry you had to say it a second time but with the quote option. Were you a bedwetter as a child? I suppose thats Labours fault as well!!

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/




t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
.
Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

Irrespective of who deregulated or didn't deregulate the banks the Financial Crisis was caused by the USA deregulating the Financial Services sector in 1997. The Labour government stupidly copied the USA! Nothing was put in place to regulate it!!
Result? Well, you know the result! Run away Credit card debt, 125% Mortgages, people encouraged to spend like there was no tomorrow (The Labour government was also spending like no tomorrow!). The UK public has to take their own share of blame for their own greed and avarice.

The Labour Government stupidly copied the Tories. Isnt this what New Labour was about? Didnt Blair and Brown show this when they invited Thatcher to No 10? Both lay prostrate in front of Thatcherism yet all of you seem to ignore New Labours acceptance of Thatchers legacy. Unbelievable!!

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/






t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
.
Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

It was a Tory Chancellor in the early 90s during Majors premiership that brought in PFI. Again is there selective memory loss by our 'sit-at-home-tories'



?

Under the Tories PFIs were used sparingly and negotiated on terms fair to the government and the provider.
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Under Labour PFIs proliferated as a means of keeping the costs off of the books of UK Plc because they had already spent all the money and borrowed Billions upon Billions!! They compounded their own self inflicted problems by incompetent PFI negotiation that gave the Provider BIG profit and our government very poor value for money and saddled our young with decades of debt to pay!!

You are so angry you had to say it a second time but with the quote option. Were you a bedwetter as a child? I suppose thats Labours fault as well!!

Why do a lot of the Labour leaning contributors on here often have a need to use insulting/derogatory replies? I guess that's what separates them from LibDems and Tories!
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You have a gift for avoiding anything that requires substance in an answer..............

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
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My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
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They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
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Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
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You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/





t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
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Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

Irrespective of who deregulated or didn't deregulate the banks the Financial Crisis was caused by the USA deregulating the Financial Services sector in 1997. The Labour government stupidly copied the USA! Nothing was put in place to regulate it!!
Result? Well, you know the result! Run away Credit card debt, 125% Mortgages, people encouraged to spend like there was no tomorrow (The Labour government was also spending like no tomorrow!). The UK public has to take their own share of blame for their own greed and avarice.

The Labour Government stupidly copied the Tories. Isnt this what New Labour was about? Didnt Blair and Brown show this when they invited Thatcher to No 10? Both lay prostrate in front of Thatcherism yet all of you seem to ignore New Labours acceptance of Thatchers legacy. Unbelievable!!

Very true, both about NuLabour and also attitude of Tory supporters on this website.

Don't miss last bit of Olympics, while wasting your time with those you will never convince.

Viva Socialism

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/






t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
.
Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

Irrespective of who deregulated or didn't deregulate the banks the Financial Crisis was caused by the USA deregulating the Financial Services sector in 1997. The Labour government stupidly copied the USA! Nothing was put in place to regulate it!!
Result? Well, you know the result! Run away Credit card debt, 125% Mortgages, people encouraged to spend like there was no tomorrow (The Labour government was also spending like no tomorrow!). The UK public has to take their own share of blame for their own greed and avarice.

The Labour Government stupidly copied the Tories. Isnt this what New Labour was about? Didnt Blair and Brown show this when they invited Thatcher to No 10? Both lay prostrate in front of Thatcherism yet all of you seem to ignore New Labours acceptance of Thatchers legacy. Unbelievable!!

Very true, both about NuLabour and also attitude of Tory supporters on this website.

Don't miss last bit of Olympics, while wasting your time with those you will never convince.

Viva Socialism

Yeah Stalin was great & so's Northern Korea Viva the state run by the people Viva Castro who lives quite well off whilst his people have nothing yeah VIVA socialism. Exactly why do so many Cubans flee to America?

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

George4th wrote:
Let's be frank here. 25 years of neglect by the councils prior to the Tory council caused irreparable damage, including the poor upkeep of Oaklands. By the time the Tories took over there was no money and Oaklands was beyond redemption.
>
My solution would be to run a free bus service from Oaklands to the Quays.............

Yet the Tories when in power paid out £1million to get the other pools ready for sell off to ActiveNation didnt they?
.
They were in power for 4 years. If they were in power for 1 year I would tend to agree with you but 4 years would have given them at least some time to get things on an even keel. Unfortunately they maxed out on the service users credit card!!

No amount of "dressing up" would have made Oaklands suitable for selling off - it's not, and would not have been, a viable business proposition.
The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence. Similarly, the Southampton councils prior to the Tory council left us with debt. Why, in a period of austerity, would you borrow money to throw good money after bad?

"The last Labour government left us with crippling debts, most of which was down to their own incompetence".
,
Im sorry but that isnt true. There is a wealth of evidence today that demonstrates the bail out of the financial system by the then Labour Govt was the only option available. To suggest like you and all Tories do that the world financial crisis was the result of actions by Labour and Gordon Brown is complete and utter rubbish.

I'm not talking about the "financial system"! I'm talking about the debt that the Labour government incurred because of gross over spending and then borrowing money to finance it all! I'm talking about all the commitments that the Labour government made that tie us into paying for PFI's etc for the necx 25 years! (For good measure you can add the GOLD that Browne sold off that would now be worth 6 times what he sold it for!!!)

He bought bonds with that Gold George4th and made enough (more than what would of been made if kept the gold and waited) and it went to pay off the last of the World War II debt, so the Torys could no longer use this debt to hide there borrowing.

Brown was like a bull let loose in a financial china shop! He was allowed to plunder/raid money sources without a thought for the future consequences. He was incompetent and Blair was impotent to do anything about it!
>
You can waffle all you like but this country was massively in debt (caused by Labour) BEFORE the Financial crisis! History will show that the Labour government grossly overspent. Plus the commitments they made through borrowing and PFIs etc will burden our young generations for decades to come - they should be totally ashamed of what they did. There is NO legacy from the Labour government except for DEBT!!

Tories are Bank Crisis Deniers
.
http://www.scoop.it/




t/deficit-myth

Funny so must Brown,Both Millibands,Ed Balls & most of the ex Labour Cabinet as they all admit there part in the financial crisis.
Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks.
The Tories have said we have to put rules into place to stop it happening again so exactly when did they deny there was a banking crisis?

"Brown openly admits he got it wrong on deregulation of the banks."
.
Thatcher and her Govt at the time deregulated the banks. Has that been conveniently forgotten? Im sure Southy can fill in the blanks.

Irrespective of who deregulated or didn't deregulate the banks the Financial Crisis was caused by the USA deregulating the Financial Services sector in 1997. The Labour government stupidly copied the USA! Nothing was put in place to regulate it!!
Result? Well, you know the result! Run away Credit card debt, 125% Mortgages, people encouraged to spend like there was no tomorrow (The Labour government was also spending like no tomorrow!). The UK public has to take their own share of blame for their own greed and avarice.

I watched Alister Darling on TV admit it the banking crisis started here then I heard Brown say it & then each Labour Government cabinet say it.
They did say with Hindsight they would not have taken the actions they did with the banks.
By allowing our banks to run wild like kids in a toy shop is what they did & they allowed Americans to have mortgages/loans they never had a chance of repaying.
Why not write to Ed Milliband who stated we must start telling the truth & admit our party's part in the banking crisis.
He's not a Tory nor's Ed Balls but they both admit to their part so why can't you people on here?
Southy you blame Maggie the Tories & you blame Labour but not your beloved TUSC stop trying to get votes & tell the truth please

What has all of this to do with Oaklands?
No wonder the majority of local residents are not interested in politics, local or national .... get a life.

Can I kindly request we stop using quotes after a few quotes, it gets annoying trying to read. Ta much. Just reply with @username it's much more user friendly. x

IronLady2010 wrote:
Can I kindly request we stop using quotes after a few quotes, it gets annoying trying to read. Ta much. Just reply with @username it's much more user friendly. x

I agree, just cut and paste the relevant sentences, save a lot of space.

Our Olympic swimmers were not so successful this year, could it be down to lack of facilities and encouragement to participate in the sport?

aldermoorboy wrote:
Vote Tory at the next election for decent honest people.

Classic oxymoron.

Just to remind posters this is about saving Oaklands swimming pool.
It seems to be more a political slagging match which I can not see helping in anyway.
Has anyone got any actual idea's to help save Oaklands ?

LoftyHeights wrote:
Just to remind posters this is about saving Oaklands swimming pool.
It seems to be more a political slagging match which I can not see helping in anyway.
Has anyone got any actual idea's to help save Oaklands ?

Keep up the publicity, Labour have a habbit of finding money from no-where. They'll keep this pool and turn it around to make it look like they have done everyone a favour, you watch!

Well said Lofty, that should shut the loud mouths.
It is about time the Echo used a moderator to block off topic ranting and rhetoric.

Barbender wrote:
What has all of this to do with Oaklands?
No wonder the majority of local residents are not interested in politics, local or national .... get a life.

Absolutely, I have been saying for a while now, ditch the Political dogma and get back to common sense debating, and while you are at it, try to look at the human element, not how many beans nedd to be counted.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Barbender wrote:
What has all of this to do with Oaklands?
No wonder the majority of local residents are not interested in politics, local or national .... get a life.

Absolutely, I have been saying for a while now, ditch the Political dogma and get back to common sense debating, and while you are at it, try to look at the human element, not how many beans nedd to be counted.

You can't avoid the political rubbish whilst Southy and Barmy have access to a keyboard! Almost every topic is hijacked by them. Yet they don't realise the damage they are doing to their own cause.

Anyway, back to topic, the pool...... it will be saved as Labour have too much to lose from the publicity, they'll end up smelling of roses!

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Barbender wrote:
What has all of this to do with Oaklands?
No wonder the majority of local residents are not interested in politics, local or national .... get a life.

Absolutely, I have been saying for a while now, ditch the Political dogma and get back to common sense debating, and while you are at it, try to look at the human element, not how many beans nedd to be counted.

You can't avoid the political rubbish whilst Southy and Barmy have access to a keyboard! Almost every topic is hijacked by them. Yet they don't realise the damage they are doing to their own cause.

Anyway, back to topic, the pool...... it will be saved as Labour have too much to lose from the publicity, they'll end up smelling of roses!

Ironlady who's Barmy?
I wonder if anyone has thought of this?
Labour says shut the Pool big kick up & Labour supporter backlash they lose the seats.
shock horror two Labour councillors stand against closures Labour going to punish them ( when?)
Supporters backing the pool start to back said councillors Pool shuts Labour keeps two seats?
to keep the pool open it needs to make money.
get a guarantee from schools saying they will use it if possible turn part of it into a gym & on a daily basis charge for the use of said gym.
if there's enough space put in a restaurant/cafe as well most places now need the income from more than one source(swimming)

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Barbender wrote:
What has all of this to do with Oaklands?
No wonder the majority of local residents are not interested in politics, local or national .... get a life.

Absolutely, I have been saying for a while now, ditch the Political dogma and get back to common sense debating, and while you are at it, try to look at the human element, not how many beans nedd to be counted.

You can't avoid the political rubbish whilst Southy and Barmy have access to a keyboard! Almost every topic is hijacked by them. Yet they don't realise the damage they are doing to their own cause.

Anyway, back to topic, the pool...... it will be saved as Labour have too much to lose from the publicity, they'll end up smelling of roses!

Very misleading IronLady2010
I just reply, its your Right wing Element that takes it off topic. like on this artical, they do it deliberately.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Barbender wrote:
What has all of this to do with Oaklands?
No wonder the majority of local residents are not interested in politics, local or national .... get a life.

Absolutely, I have been saying for a while now, ditch the Political dogma and get back to common sense debating, and while you are at it, try to look at the human element, not how many beans nedd to be counted.

You can't avoid the political rubbish whilst Southy and Barmy have access to a keyboard! Almost every topic is hijacked by them. Yet they don't realise the damage they are doing to their own cause.

Anyway, back to topic, the pool...... it will be saved as Labour have too much to lose from the publicity, they'll end up smelling of roses!

Very misleading IronLady2010
I just reply, its your Right wing Element that takes it off topic. like on this artical, they do it deliberately.

lol @ the hypocrite.

southy wrote:
Also hulla baloo found out last night that the Socialist Party with the TUSC are the onlys ones doing a open public Petition to save Oaklands Swimming Pool.

Where is it ? Can we see it?

How about keeping Oaklands School and Pool open, to be used for what they was built to be used as, and do the same with Millbrook School, Let the New Oasis School pay and run it self with out any tax payers money being pump into it.
I wonder how many kids it would have if this was done, My main concern over Oasis schools what would happen if they go bank rupt or pulls out of the Education, where would it leave those kids.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Barbender wrote:
What has all of this to do with Oaklands?
No wonder the majority of local residents are not interested in politics, local or national .... get a life.

Absolutely, I have been saying for a while now, ditch the Political dogma and get back to common sense debating, and while you are at it, try to look at the human element, not how many beans nedd to be counted.

You can't avoid the political rubbish whilst Southy and Barmy have access to a keyboard! Almost every topic is hijacked by them. Yet they don't realise the damage they are doing to their own cause.

Anyway, back to topic, the pool...... it will be saved as Labour have too much to lose from the publicity, they'll end up smelling of roses!

Very misleading IronLady2010
I just reply, its your Right wing Element that takes it off topic. like on this artical, they do it deliberately.

lol @ the hypocrite.

Who IronLady2010, you your self Shoong often take it off topic knowing to well some will reply, so don't try looking so innocent.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Also hulla baloo found out last night that the Socialist Party with the TUSC are the onlys ones doing a open public Petition to save Oaklands Swimming Pool.

Where is it ? Can we see it?

Yes you can see it, it will take you to remove your self away from your computor, and attend 2 meetings (Socialist Party meetings) in the evenings, the first meeting you request if you can see the petition, and the following week you will be able to see the petition.

lordshill loyal wrote:
sotondave how true you are.yes i was one of the numpys at the back .the same numpty that voted for that lying two face councillor who stated that there be no cuts and the swimming pool wouldnt shut.than what did she do .sale her constituants down the river.she sat there with a face like a slapped backside and didnt have the decency to answer to us why she did what she did.and another thing i dont belong to no political party i am just a resident who is concerned about the damage the council have done to the quality of peoples lifes.just like you was told by the vicar when he spoke.i use to take a disabled gentleman to the pool twice a week this was enabling him to recover from his spine tumor and was making such good progress that the possibility of him walking again was a realistic dream.now his rehabilitation has been knocked sideways.sometimes in life there are things more important than money.clr williams,spicer and payne hang your head in shame.also did you hear today what red ed milliband said about the legacy of the games.? as for the masterplan i have heard about this for a while.the deal has been done you could tell that by the ignorant behaviour of clr payne when people where talking to him friday night.he knows exactly whats going on .the deal has been done.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.

I know that Cllr Sally Spicer and the Labour administration are trying to find a solution to the pool losing hundreds of thousands of pounds per year. We have as a council to find £25 million between now and next February and unfortunately difficult decisions have to be made.

Sally has taken the mature way of solving the problem which is to speak to senior councillors and meet with officers to find partners willing to take over the pool.

It would be more useful if you could try and be part of the solution to saving the pool and not shout abuse at people who do care about ordinary working people and the services provided.

If you have something useful to say which can lead to another organisation taking over the pool and running it I would be glad to hear it.

I spoke to Sally afterwards and she was afraid to speak as people like yourself would have immediately shouted her down and made it personal. That is true isn't it.

Just because a councillor does not speak to the Echo every five minutes does not mean they do not care. We are doing a very difficult job in exceptional circumstances. I know this sounds a bit too adult for your tastes and it is simpler to shout abuse across a crowded room.

she hasnt taking the mature way she has taken the cowards way.as for being scared to talk, more like she was scared of your lot,who put pressure on her to follow your numpty leader.what did she have to fear, words are only words and there was two coppers on the door to save her from a lynching.you and her and the rest of your cronies and that includes whitehead are a disgrace.do you not understand the damage you have done to peoples lifes.if clr spicer is moving heaven and earth maybe she can move a few thousand from the 100 million you have just conjured up for townhill park.and also why hasnt she gone to the echo and explained her position.is because nulabour have got there claws into her and have scared her into not uttering a word about this.as stated before there some things that are more important than money,like the nations health and well being.be interesting what your dear leader will do now that ed the horse milliband has told the torys and libs not to play political football with the legacy of the games.anyway sotondave are you not that clr from redbridge and if so is that why you have a vested interest in supporting clr spicer.you are all a disgrace as long as you all have your noses in the trough thats all that matters.maybe you and her and moulton could take a cut in your allowance and pay the 10k to get the place open...DIDNT THINK SO.YOU ARE ALL A DISGRACE.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL

we are doing a very difficult job in exceptional circumstances.well sotondave .who,s fault is that ? oh yeah i know it was your lot that run this country into the ground by maxing out on the countrys credit card.IS THAT ADULT ENOUGH FOR YOU.YOU ARE A DISGRACE AND SHOULD HANG ALL YOUR HEADS IN SHAME.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.

lordshill loyal wrote:
we are doing a very difficult job in exceptional circumstances.well sotondave .who,s fault is that ? oh yeah i know it was your lot that run this country into the ground by maxing out on the countrys credit card.IS THAT ADULT ENOUGH FOR YOU.YOU ARE A DISGRACE AND SHOULD HANG ALL YOUR HEADS IN SHAME.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.

You must have a good argument because your response is in big bold capitals. I am a councillor in Millbrook not Redbridge. Thanks for the heads up as to your political affiliation.

I don't understand how you can be in favour of reducing the deficit cutting the money given to local authorities and then complain loudly about the consequences. The maxing out on the credit card argument is wearing a bit thin with this governments failed policies. Please can you explain how a council can keep services running on vastly reduced money. Can you tell me how we find £25million between now and next February preferably in lower case.

LoftyHeights wrote:
Just to remind posters this is about saving Oaklands swimming pool.
It seems to be more a political slagging match which I can not see helping in anyway.
Has anyone got any actual idea's to help save Oaklands ?

Here's an idea straight away.
look at the picture of the building what's missing?
No advertising?
If this wall space can be rented for advertising to say Sainsbury's or Tesco's & a few others plus as much wall space inside of the pool this alone could generate revenue.
I can't swim (not well ) so I don't use the pool but is there space for a restaurant/cafe' ? or is there space for fitness equipment?
either could be good for the survival of the pool.
Restaurant/cafe to be used by swimmers & if possible Fitness area users.
Maybe if they put the same Solar panels under the same terms as Rozell & Sarnia court this also would bring down the costs.
As I've mentioned before but these would cost money underground pipes for heating & warm/hot water.
If the hearts there to do it then this pool could be saved & made viable

sotondave.so the argument is running thin. how your incompetent leader wrecked this country.and left us in this mess.which after total denial ed the horse miliband has admitted..now your bleating on about how we are to save 25 million by february.more to the point where you finding 100 million to rebuild townhill park.that one eyed jock idot has got us where we are today.but like all politicians you want to brush it under the carpet and come out with the usual.not me guv.i dont agree with central government cutting monies to our council and for the 20th time to all you out there i dont belong to any POLITICAL PARTY! i dont care two hoots for any of you.all that matters to me is my community .i have lived here for 25 years and have seen the decline in the estate.i know from first hand knowledge the damage that the closure has done to peoples lifes.didnt you hear what the vicar had to say about how amputees,disabled and pensioners have had there lives ruined by this decision.you and your cronies couldnt find 10k to open the place again until a compromise could be found,whats that tell you about your precious labour party.now i hear your kicking old people out of their homes in erskine court after the people of lordshill fought to keep it open.i know because i was one of them.your mob slagged the torys off for trying to close it and what happens they keep it open and your lot shut it.one question.is clr spicer going to move heaven and earth to save it.as mentioned before there somethings more important than money .also sotondave your tongue must be right up your leaders backside for they just tarmaced kendal avenue after it was looking like a wreck for years plus the money spent in the park next to millbrook towers and the boxing club.your face must fit just nicely down at the civic.now let me think how much has beeen spent in lordshill.ah thats right diddly s***.YOU ARE ALL A DISGRACE AND YOU, SPICER ,WILLIAMS ,SHOULD HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL

loosehead wrote:

LoftyHeights wrote:
Just to remind posters this is about saving Oaklands swimming pool.
It seems to be more a political slagging match which I can not see helping in anyway.
Has anyone got any actual idea's to help save Oaklands ?

Here's an idea straight away.
look at the picture of the building what's missing?
No advertising?
If this wall space can be rented for advertising to say Sainsbury's or Tesco's & a few others plus as much wall space inside of the pool this alone could generate revenue.
I can't swim (not well ) so I don't use the pool but is there space for a restaurant/cafe' ? or is there space for fitness equipment?
either could be good for the survival of the pool.
Restaurant/cafe to be used by swimmers & if possible Fitness area users.
Maybe if they put the same Solar panels under the same terms as Rozell & Sarnia court this also would bring down the costs.
As I've mentioned before but these would cost money underground pipes for heating & warm/hot water.
If the hearts there to do it then this pool could be saved & made viable

Yes there is space for a fitness centre part of the school building could be used which is next to the pool. This part of the school is the gym I believe and it also has a small theatre. If this part of the site was kept and the rest sold for development I am sure this could fund the repair of the pool and setting up the fitness centre getting more people using it. Hopefully with good management it would at least break even.

LoftyHeights wrote:

loosehead wrote:

LoftyHeights wrote:
Just to remind posters this is about saving Oaklands swimming pool.
It seems to be more a political slagging match which I can not see helping in anyway.
Has anyone got any actual idea's to help save Oaklands ?

Here's an idea straight away.
look at the picture of the building what's missing?
No advertising?
If this wall space can be rented for advertising to say Sainsbury's or Tesco's & a few others plus as much wall space inside of the pool this alone could generate revenue.
I can't swim (not well ) so I don't use the pool but is there space for a restaurant/cafe' ? or is there space for fitness equipment?
either could be good for the survival of the pool.
Restaurant/cafe to be used by swimmers & if possible Fitness area users.
Maybe if they put the same Solar panels under the same terms as Rozell & Sarnia court this also would bring down the costs.
As I've mentioned before but these would cost money underground pipes for heating & warm/hot water.
If the hearts there to do it then this pool could be saved & made viable

Yes there is space for a fitness centre part of the school building could be used which is next to the pool. This part of the school is the gym I believe and it also has a small theatre. If this part of the site was kept and the rest sold for development I am sure this could fund the repair of the pool and setting up the fitness centre getting more people using it. Hopefully with good management it would at least break even.

So contact Sally Spicer ot Sotondave & see if this fits in with their plans?
Lofty Heights what do you think of my proposal to make it financially stable?
If it's a gym with a small theatre then the theatre could be converted into a Cafe/Restaurant you could have a fitness suite plus a small Gym area for aerobics but do Labour want it to survive?

Loosehead adding a gym to the pool and turning it into a fitness centre would help increase revenue but it would still need proper management which does not seem to be a strong point with anything council run. My family has used this pool weekly for the last 9yrs and one thing i have noticed is is it seems better staffed then other pools I have used which is good but also makes it hard to balance the books.
Personally I think the council want to sale the land for the money.

lordshill loyal wrote:
sotondave.so the argument is running thin. how your incompetent leader wrecked this country.and left us in this mess.which after total denial ed the horse miliband has admitted..now your bleating on about how we are to save 25 million by february.more to the point where you finding 100 million to rebuild townhill park.that one eyed jock idot has got us where we are today.but like all politicians you want to brush it under the carpet and come out with the usual.not me guv.i dont agree with central government cutting monies to our council and for the 20th time to all you out there i dont belong to any POLITICAL PARTY! i dont care two hoots for any of you.all that matters to me is my community .i have lived here for 25 years and have seen the decline in the estate.i know from first hand knowledge the damage that the closure has done to peoples lifes.didnt you hear what the vicar had to say about how amputees,disabled and pensioners have had there lives ruined by this decision.you and your cronies couldnt find 10k to open the place again until a compromise could be found,whats that tell you about your precious labour party.now i hear your kicking old people out of their homes in erskine court after the people of lordshill fought to keep it open.i know because i was one of them.your mob slagged the torys off for trying to close it and what happens they keep it open and your lot shut it.one question.is clr spicer going to move heaven and earth to save it.as mentioned before there somethings more important than money .also sotondave your tongue must be right up your leaders backside for they just tarmaced kendal avenue after it was looking like a wreck for years plus the money spent in the park next to millbrook towers and the boxing club.your face must fit just nicely down at the civic.now let me think how much has beeen spent in lordshill.ah thats right diddly s***.YOU ARE ALL A DISGRACE AND YOU, SPICER ,WILLIAMS ,SHOULD HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL

Is this the internet equivalent of green ink

sottondave wrote:

lordshill loyal wrote:
sotondave.so the argument is running thin. how your incompetent leader wrecked this country.and left us in this mess.which after total denial ed the horse miliband has admitted..now your bleating on about how we are to save 25 million by february.more to the point where you finding 100 million to rebuild townhill park.that one eyed jock idot has got us where we are today.but like all politicians you want to brush it under the carpet and come out with the usual.not me guv.i dont agree with central government cutting monies to our council and for the 20th time to all you out there i dont belong to any POLITICAL PARTY! i dont care two hoots for any of you.all that matters to me is my community .i have lived here for 25 years and have seen the decline in the estate.i know from first hand knowledge the damage that the closure has done to peoples lifes.didnt you hear what the vicar had to say about how amputees,disabled and pensioners have had there lives ruined by this decision.you and your cronies couldnt find 10k to open the place again until a compromise could be found,whats that tell you about your precious labour party.now i hear your kicking old people out of their homes in erskine court after the people of lordshill fought to keep it open.i know because i was one of them.your mob slagged the torys off for trying to close it and what happens they keep it open and your lot shut it.one question.is clr spicer going to move heaven and earth to save it.as mentioned before there somethings more important than money .also sotondave your tongue must be right up your leaders backside for they just tarmaced kendal avenue after it was looking like a wreck for years plus the money spent in the park next to millbrook towers and the boxing club.your face must fit just nicely down at the civic.now let me think how much has beeen spent in lordshill.ah thats right diddly s***.YOU ARE ALL A DISGRACE AND YOU, SPICER ,WILLIAMS ,SHOULD HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL

Is this the internet equivalent of green ink

I have put forward some ideas to save this pool by making it financially viable how come you haven't quoted on any of them?

sotondave answer the question where you finding 100 million from?not not green ink. waster! just want a level playing field for all the residents of soton not just for the ones who elected officers can get there tongues up their leaders crack the furthest.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL