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Deal to restore council pay cuts revealed
12:58pm Tuesday 21st August 2012 in News
By Matt Smith, Politics and business reporter
Deal to restore council pay cuts revealed
THOUSANDS of council workers in Southampton will have their pay restored under a proposed deal to end a long running industrial dispute that saw rotting rubbish litter the streets last summer.
But the move will see thousands lose compensation, which opposition Tories say was promised by unions in legal claims against the council.
Union leaders are urging members to accept the “breakthrough” proposal in a postal vote starting next month.
It follows weeks of negotiations with Labour council leaders, who promised to restore staff pay cuts of between two and 5.5 per cent brought in last July by the Conservatives.
The Conservatives last night questioned how the deal will be funded and warned it would cost jobs.
Under the new plan all 2,143 council workers earning between £17,501 and £35,000 a year will see pay fully restored by April 2014.
The 865 staff earning between £17,501 and £22,000 will have a two per cent pay cut reversed in November.
Some 396 higher earners on £35,001 to £65,000 would get a 1.8 per cent cut restored from April 2014, with the remainder dependent on savings to be found.
Unions said no job losses are linked to the deal, which will cost the council £2.3m with a further £500,000 to be found from a staff suggestion scheme.
Senior managers and top executives on over £65,000 will not see pay restored until after April 2014 - unless the savings are found.
Unions would in return withdraw a legal action for up to £12m in compensation for the 4,000 staff they claim were not properly consulted over the council's plan to dismiss them if they did not sign up to worse contracts.
And union legal support for around 1,000 individual unfair dismissal claims would also be dropped.
Council staff had been told they could be awarded up to three months salary each in compensation and Tory chiefs had set aside hundreds of thousands of pounds to pay for the claims, fearing they would lose.
Some additional holidays given to staff as part of the pay cuts package would also now be withdrawn.
Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker said the proposed deal showed the previous Tory administration didn't need to cut pay to save services.
“Council workers can now concentrate on providing first class services to the people of Southampton ,” he said.
Unite convenor Mark Wood added: “This breakthrough marks a substantial change in culture.”
Cabinet member for resources Councillor Simon Letts said: “The deal we have put together with the unions will be a real boost for morale and staff retention and shows just what can be achieved when councils are prepared to engage with their staff.”
Conservatives brought in cuts to staff pay, terms and conditions last July in a bid to make budget cuts and protect 400 jobs.
Group leader Royston Smith said: “It is very underhand to present this as good news to staff and ask them to vote on it, then a month later reveal to them exactly what it costs to pay for it in lost jobs and services.”
A postal ballot of union members will be held between September 14 and October 5.
Comments(59)
hulla baloo
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1:57pm Tue 21 Aug 12
What a surprise. Labour council bends over for their union paymasters.
Back to the spend now and worry about it later syndrome.
Back to the spend now and worry about it later syndrome.
Shoong
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2:01pm Tue 21 Aug 12
ohmywell wrote:Yes, because you are obviously PhD material aren't you?
Wait for it Wait for it here come the Tory mouth ulcer brigade George4th Where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Nice one Royston Nice one Son Nice one Royston YOUR LOOKING RATHER DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!. So is George and Camemoroon with borrowing uo over 600 million the worm will turn soon.
ohmywell
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2:03pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Well hulla baloo better borrowing now and labour sorting it out later. pathetic drivel from another Blind Tory Voter. When will you all learn all parties are corrupt with the Tories worse Liberals sleeping with each other and Labour trying to do a job. Soon my friend Soon
all will be sorted
all will be sorted
ohmywell
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2:05pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Oh I forgot Shooing your as pathetic as the rest how many times on this article are you going to paste copy paste copy your pathetic little minds drivel!!
Georgem
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2:06pm Tue 21 Aug 12
ohmywell wrote:*comes
Wait for it Wait for it here come the Tory mouth ulcer brigade George4th Where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Nice one Royston Nice one Son Nice one Royston YOUR LOOKING RATHER DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!. So is George and Camemoroon with borrowing uo over 600 million the worm will turn soon.
*you're
Also, punctuation.
2/10 see me
Shoong
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2:21pm Tue 21 Aug 12
ohmywell wrote:Hypocrisy
Oh I forgot Shooing your as pathetic as the rest how many times on this article are you going to paste copy paste copy your pathetic little minds drivel!!
Definitions
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(plural) -sies
the practice of professing standards, beliefs, etc, contrary to one's real character or actual behaviour, esp the pretence of virtue and piety
an act or instance of this.
George4th
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2:22pm Tue 21 Aug 12
hulla baloo wrote:Yes, exactly the same reasoning that caused the last Labour Government to Bankrupt our country - it's a trend that they cannot escape from! Spend! Spend! Spend! Spend! Do you remember when Dennis Healey went to the IMF? We were bankrupted by Labout that time too! They haven't a clue how to run anything! What legacy did the last Labour government leave other than a MASSIVE debt?
What a surprise. Labour council bends over for their union paymasters.
Back to the spend now and worry about it later syndrome.
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Our illustrious Labour Council has been in control 5 minutes and have shown levels of incompetency unseen before. And giving into Union blackmail is the final straw for the good citizens of the City of Southampton who are forced to stand by helpless while the Union Barons run our Council!!
shirley-bill
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2:30pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Sorry to ask but were in this 2.3m going to come from? Thought the council had no spare money..
bigfella777
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2:58pm Tue 21 Aug 12
shirley-bill wrote:Job cuts, simple. Some get more,while their colleagues get the dole.Such solidarity.
Sorry to ask but were in this 2.3m going to come from? Thought the council had no spare money..
Shoong
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3:00pm Tue 21 Aug 12
bigfella777 wrote:Indeed. Brothers or no brothers, I've gots to get mine...
shirley-bill wrote:Job cuts, simple. Some get more,while their colleagues get the dole.Such solidarity.
Sorry to ask but were in this 2.3m going to come from? Thought the council had no spare money..
sottondave
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3:03pm Tue 21 Aug 12
To all a few facts before you start your ill informed diatribes.
The previous council set aside £1 to £3 million to settle the unfair dismissal claims as the council expected to lose. The cost of fighting the unions action would have cost about £600,000 in barristers fees.
This money is better spent restoring the pay, conditions and more importantly the morale of the workforce which was rock bottom after the wasted Tory years.
This is the fundamental difference between the Labour and Tory approach. We believe that you get a better service if you treat people properly and talk with them. The Tory approach is to bullyand hector which led to 1,000,000 stinking bin bags on our streets last summer.
I know which I prefer.
The previous council set aside £1 to £3 million to settle the unfair dismissal claims as the council expected to lose. The cost of fighting the unions action would have cost about £600,000 in barristers fees.
This money is better spent restoring the pay, conditions and more importantly the morale of the workforce which was rock bottom after the wasted Tory years.
This is the fundamental difference between the Labour and Tory approach. We believe that you get a better service if you treat people properly and talk with them. The Tory approach is to bullyand hector which led to 1,000,000 stinking bin bags on our streets last summer.
I know which I prefer.
loosehead
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3:29pm Tue 21 Aug 12
sottondave wrote:So the money the Unions forced the council to set aside is being used to restore some of the pay?
To all a few facts before you start your ill informed diatribes.
The previous council set aside £1 to £3 million to settle the unfair dismissal claims as the council expected to lose. The cost of fighting the unions action would have cost about £600,000 in barristers fees.
This money is better spent restoring the pay, conditions and more importantly the morale of the workforce which was rock bottom after the wasted Tory years.
This is the fundamental difference between the Labour and Tory approach. We believe that you get a better service if you treat people properly and talk with them. The Tory approach is to bullyand hector which led to 1,000,000 stinking bin bags on our streets last summer.
I know which I prefer.
It was estimated that to restore all council workers to full pay it would cost £7million so even with the £3million your still short of £4million so where's it coming from?
You're telling us that this money isn't needed to balance the books ?
Each year you have to make extra savings so what are you going to cut next year?
Dave it was stated the money saved from closing the pool would be £2.5million approx. & this would be used towards restoring pay?
The money you're talking about had to be cut from other departments budgets to be set aside by law so why not restore it to those departments?
How's the Refuse review going? when am I getting fortnightly collections
Independent Thought
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4:23pm Tue 21 Aug 12
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
aldermoorboy
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4:28pm Tue 21 Aug 12
News from Labour/Top Union people meeting.
I have a good idea, lets close the pool and pay ourselves more money, all in favour say yessssssssssssssss.
I have a good idea, lets close the pool and pay ourselves more money, all in favour say yessssssssssssssss.
sarfhamton
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4:45pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Independent Thought wrote:I don't think we have seen anything yet - agreed!
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
What we know and take for granted will change forever soon and the council will decimate the local workforce and recoup this cash and more.
The Unions just bought sometime i am afraid, better start looking for work elsewhere and fast.
Paramjit Bahia
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5:02pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
Bahons
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5:16pm Tue 21 Aug 12
"The 396 higher earners on £35,001 to £65,000 will get remaining pay cuts restored from April 2014."
I wonder if the vast majority of lower paid council workers realised they were striking to maintain the large financial gap that exists between them and their higher earning colleagues?
I wonder if the vast majority of lower paid council workers realised they were striking to maintain the large financial gap that exists between them and their higher earning colleagues?
Bahons
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5:20pm Tue 21 Aug 12
"with a further £500,000 to be found from savings through a staff suggestion scheme."
The deal has been struck with no idea or how it's going to be financed.
Someone will pay at the end of the day.
The deal has been struck with no idea or how it's going to be financed.
Someone will pay at the end of the day.
George4th
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5:26pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
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The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
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Paramjit Bahia
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5:34pm Tue 21 Aug 12
sottondave wrote:Dave, why being just about marginally better than the Nasty Party and the opportunist unprincipled Lib-Dem should be the only game in town?
To all a few facts before you start your ill informed diatribes.
The previous council set aside £1 to £3 million to settle the unfair dismissal claims as the council expected to lose. The cost of fighting the unions action would have cost about £600,000 in barristers fees.
This money is better spent restoring the pay, conditions and more importantly the morale of the workforce which was rock bottom after the wasted Tory years.
This is the fundamental difference between the Labour and Tory approach. We believe that you get a better service if you treat people properly and talk with them. The Tory approach is to bullyand hector which led to 1,000,000 stinking bin bags on our streets last summer.
I know which I prefer.
Surely those who keep on putting their faith in brand name 'Labour' with Blairism packed in it, deserve lot better.
Yes I plead guilty to often falling for 'our own Devil is better than somebody else’s Devil' system, but why should even NuLabour not be bit more honest and start looking after those who have kept on supporting it?
Yes you may have used money earmarked by last administration for union bashing more intelligently, but what happens when that runs out?
What exactly is the long term strategy? Is NuLabour Council going to confront national government or behave like a mouse when toothless tiger Pickle start pretending to be reincarnated Big Daddy? He is only a huge balloon full of huge amount of obnoxious Thatcherite Gas; even Dear Leader could puncture that if he wants to… But obviously he does not, because he is scared that right wing media may not approve that thus damaging his chances to occupy a seat in either our British or European Parliament
Why keep on asset stripping areas like Coxford because Dear Leader led Group has not got the guts to stand up to Con Dem Coalition of opportunism in London?
NuLabourites should stop making excuses and start telling the whole truth, and if they are finding kitchen too hot then why don't they get out?
southy
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5:48pm Tue 21 Aug 12
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
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The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
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lordshill loyal
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6:19pm Tue 21 Aug 12
sotondave...you get a better service if you treat people properly and talk with them.my a***.is that the same as williams and that smug b****** payne spoke to the people of lordshill in shutting down oaklands swimming pool.no doubt spicer will move heaven on earth to insure her pay masters reclaim what was taken off of them.you find 100 miliion to rebuild townhill park,now you have found 2.3 million to give the workers back what the nasty tories took of them.i know sotondave, the argument is getting a bit thin but it was your shower of s**** that has wrecked this country.FACT.yet you and your cronies couldnt find 10k to get oaklands up and running again.im not objecting to the workers getting what is due to them but what about the people of lordshill getting whats due and owed to them.YOU ARE ALL A DISGRACE AND SHOULD HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL
lordshill loyal
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6:27pm Tue 21 Aug 12
SOTONDAVE ID PREFER A MILLION STINKING BINBAGS ON THE STREET THAN HAVE YOUR LYING CHEATING TWO FACED COUNCIL RUN THIS CITY.YOU ARE ALL A DISGRACE AND SHOULD HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME .SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.
Georgem
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6:54pm Tue 21 Aug 12
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
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The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
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I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
S Pance
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8:20pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Talk is that this will add ~£300 per year, every year to the average council tax bill!!
Don't come back on here moaning when you get your next bill. Remember that it was LABOUR that did it.
Don't come back on here moaning when you get your next bill. Remember that it was LABOUR that did it.
loosehead
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9:20pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Labour in November are announcing how they're going to pay for every thing & what they're going to do to cover the deficit so why are the unions so eager to get a vote now?
They say they will undo what the tories did & restore pay to those on £17,500-£22,000 now.(2%)
What about the ones under £17,500 if they were given the £250 pay rise are they going to cut their wages?
Why are they making the rest wait until 2014 to restore their pay? is it all being back dated?
Will the higher earners be happy not receiving their pay restoration to the same date the Tories were looking to restore it?
We have £50million (townhill) we have ? Erskine Court yet We don't know exactly who these flats are being built for?
We have two councillors getting £22,000 a year more & now they say they're using the £3million set aside for legal action the same action the Unions agreed to drop in talks with the tory council but then went back on it to restore the pay to one section of the workforce but not all? how's that fair?
Can't wait to November to see exactly what Labours got planned & to see exactly how the Unions have stabbed their members in the back
They say they will undo what the tories did & restore pay to those on £17,500-£22,000 now.(2%)
What about the ones under £17,500 if they were given the £250 pay rise are they going to cut their wages?
Why are they making the rest wait until 2014 to restore their pay? is it all being back dated?
Will the higher earners be happy not receiving their pay restoration to the same date the Tories were looking to restore it?
We have £50million (townhill) we have ? Erskine Court yet We don't know exactly who these flats are being built for?
We have two councillors getting £22,000 a year more & now they say they're using the £3million set aside for legal action the same action the Unions agreed to drop in talks with the tory council but then went back on it to restore the pay to one section of the workforce but not all? how's that fair?
Can't wait to November to see exactly what Labours got planned & to see exactly how the Unions have stabbed their members in the back
loosehead
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9:26pm Tue 21 Aug 12
S Pance wrote:As my last post points out we'll Know are fate in November.
Talk is that this will add ~£300 per year, every year to the average council tax bill!!
Don't come back on here moaning when you get your next bill. Remember that it was LABOUR that did it.
I wonder how the union leadership will explain they're statement No job cuts when the council announce swingeing job cuts & high rises in Tax & cuts in services? blame it on the Government? which one? the one who got us in this mess or the one trying to get us out of it?
Fatty x Ford Worker
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9:36pm Tue 21 Aug 12
You never see a poor Tory do you!
forest tony
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9:49pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Do people really get those amounts of money on the public sector, quoted in this article, suppose they get holiday pay and sick pay as well! This is like a slap in the face for me, I do anything between 40 or 50 hours a week,get no sick pay or holiday pay and most days no lunch break, I am lucky if after costs of running my business I see more then £11000 a year being a self employed sole trader! Oh to work for a council again even with paycuts! I would feel rich!
thinklikealocal
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10:07pm Tue 21 Aug 12
forest tony wrote:If its that blindingly simple why not get a job with the Council? Are you forest tony or forest gump?
Do people really get those amounts of money on the public sector, quoted in this article, suppose they get holiday pay and sick pay as well! This is like a slap in the face for me, I do anything between 40 or 50 hours a week,get no sick pay or holiday pay and most days no lunch break, I am lucky if after costs of running my business I see more then £11000 a year being a self employed sole trader! Oh to work for a council again even with paycuts! I would feel rich!
thinklikealocal
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10:14pm Tue 21 Aug 12
S Pance wrote:Talk from who? Did the pay cut reduce Council Tax bills by £300? NO! Remember, this is not a pay rise but the reversal of a pay cut that should never have happpened in the first place.
Talk is that this will add ~£300 per year, every year to the average council tax bill!! Don't come back on here moaning when you get your next bill. Remember that it was LABOUR that did it.
forest tony
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10:46pm Tue 21 Aug 12
thinklikealocal wrote:Because thinklikealocal, I would have been retired off by now, with my feet up and my allotment growing all my organic veg!
forest tony wrote:If its that blindingly simple why not get a job with the Council? Are you forest tony or forest gump?
Do people really get those amounts of money on the public sector, quoted in this article, suppose they get holiday pay and sick pay as well! This is like a slap in the face for me, I do anything between 40 or 50 hours a week,get no sick pay or holiday pay and most days no lunch break, I am lucky if after costs of running my business I see more then £11000 a year being a self employed sole trader! Oh to work for a council again even with paycuts! I would feel rich!
geoff51
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11:02pm Tue 21 Aug 12
Arn't I glad I moved out to Totton a few years ago! At least ther you can be almost guaranteed that there will never be a Labour council ruling us.
Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories.
In reply to the poster who said you never see a poor Tory, thats because unlike Labour voters they dont believe the world owes them a living and just get on with making the best they can to provide for their families
Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories.
In reply to the poster who said you never see a poor Tory, thats because unlike Labour voters they dont believe the world owes them a living and just get on with making the best they can to provide for their families
aldermoorboy
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6:30am Wed 22 Aug 12
Labour for themselves, Tories for all, that is the difference.
thinklikealocal
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7:58am Wed 22 Aug 12
forest tony wrote:Eeerm, forest gump obviously.....
thinklikealocal wrote:Because thinklikealocal, I would have been retired off by now, with my feet up and my allotment growing all my organic veg!forest tony wrote: Do people really get those amounts of money on the public sector, quoted in this article, suppose they get holiday pay and sick pay as well! This is like a slap in the face for me, I do anything between 40 or 50 hours a week,get no sick pay or holiday pay and most days no lunch break, I am lucky if after costs of running my business I see more then £11000 a year being a self employed sole trader! Oh to work for a council again even with paycuts! I would feel rich!If its that blindingly simple why not get a job with the Council? Are you forest tony or forest gump?
nedscrumpo
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8:28am Wed 22 Aug 12
no mention of the extra days leave they've all been given for dec 24th then!
tootle
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8:50am Wed 22 Aug 12
Ah well, have no doubt it'll all en in tears and cost me money!. That said Southampton is and always has been, in my experience, run by mediocre politicians in such a bland and boring way that one doesn't normally notice the change of council or any of their good/bad initiatives. Lets face it Royston's rule was certainly not boring!
George4th
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9:17am Wed 22 Aug 12
geoff51 wrote:Totton - good move.
Arn't I glad I moved out to Totton a few years ago! At least ther you can be almost guaranteed that there will never be a Labour council ruling us.
Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories.
In reply to the poster who said you never see a poor Tory, thats because unlike Labour voters they dont believe the world owes them a living and just get on with making the best they can to provide for their families
"Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories."
My sentiments exactly!
Southampton has been surrounded by non-Labour councils who are far more successful in terms of standard of living etc. Why have the voters of Southampton been so daft as to re-elect proven failure? (As for a Labour government? - well, we just as well all move to Greece!!)
Maine Lobster
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1:32pm Wed 22 Aug 12
George4th wrote:Of course living in a local authority area neighbouring Southampton guarantees you will be paying more Council Tax than if you lived in the city!
geoff51 wrote:Totton - good move.
Arn't I glad I moved out to Totton a few years ago! At least ther you can be almost guaranteed that there will never be a Labour council ruling us.
Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories.
In reply to the poster who said you never see a poor Tory, thats because unlike Labour voters they dont believe the world owes them a living and just get on with making the best they can to provide for their families
"Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories."
My sentiments exactly!
Southampton has been surrounded by non-Labour councils who are far more successful in terms of standard of living etc. Why have the voters of Southampton been so daft as to re-elect proven failure? (As for a Labour government? - well, we just as well all move to Greece!!)
southy
says...
2:06pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Georgem wrote:We would Georgem as any true Socialism Economics and Political Policy it will put people before profit
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
>
The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
...
I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
aldermoorboy
says...
2:45pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Southy Socialism is a few people telling every one else what they will have.
In the world we live in people get to choose.
If you work hard you can earn good money and spend as you wish.
Our standard of living as gone up 3 times since 1952 with this system, great for all.
Enjoy your day Southy.
In the world we live in people get to choose.
If you work hard you can earn good money and spend as you wish.
Our standard of living as gone up 3 times since 1952 with this system, great for all.
Enjoy your day Southy.
Shoong
says...
2:47pm Wed 22 Aug 12
southy wrote:Until you've spent all the money and the debt is passed onto the people.
Georgem wrote:We would Georgem as any true Socialism Economics and Political Policy it will put people before profit
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
>
The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
...
I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
southy
says...
3:07pm Wed 22 Aug 12
aldermoorboy wrote:No aldermoorboy that is Capitalism, the few telling the many, Capitalism is an Economic and Political Policy for the few.
Southy Socialism is a few people telling every one else what they will have.
In the world we live in people get to choose.
If you work hard you can earn good money and spend as you wish.
Our standard of living as gone up 3 times since 1952 with this system, great for all.
Enjoy your day Southy.
yes the stanard of living did go up since 1945. BUT its been going down again since 1980.
southy
says...
3:09pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:Money is a tool to be used, and not hoarded in some off shore tax free banking to be worship.
southy wrote:Until you've spent all the money and the debt is passed onto the people.
Georgem wrote:We would Georgem as any true Socialism Economics and Political Policy it will put people before profit
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
>
The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
...
I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
People shouls all ways come before Profit.
Shoong
says...
3:46pm Wed 22 Aug 12
southy wrote:When you take away a person's incentive to work hard, they just don't.
Shoong wrote:Money is a tool to be used, and not hoarded in some off shore tax free banking to be worship.
southy wrote:Until you've spent all the money and the debt is passed onto the people.
Georgem wrote:We would Georgem as any true Socialism Economics and Political Policy it will put people before profit
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
>
The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
...
I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
People shouls all ways come before Profit.
When you've got your population slacking off, your economy just can't perform. That sends the entire country down the toilet.
geoff51
says...
3:59pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Maine Lobster wrote:For a better service than the people of Southampton will ever get!
George4th wrote:Of course living in a local authority area neighbouring Southampton guarantees you will be paying more Council Tax than if you lived in the city!
geoff51 wrote:Totton - good move.
Arn't I glad I moved out to Totton a few years ago! At least ther you can be almost guaranteed that there will never be a Labour council ruling us.
Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories.
In reply to the poster who said you never see a poor Tory, thats because unlike Labour voters they dont believe the world owes them a living and just get on with making the best they can to provide for their families
"Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories."
My sentiments exactly!
Southampton has been surrounded by non-Labour councils who are far more successful in terms of standard of living etc. Why have the voters of Southampton been so daft as to re-elect proven failure? (As for a Labour government? - well, we just as well all move to Greece!!)
Just wait until the SCC set the council tax rate for next year and see who is paying the most, it the Government dont stop them.
It is very easy to spend someone elses money to apeease your Union puppet masters, but you will eventually be called to book by the voters
loosehead
says...
4:18pm Wed 22 Aug 12
thinklikealocal wrote:Why be insulting?
forest tony wrote:Eeerm, forest gump obviously.....
thinklikealocal wrote:Because thinklikealocal, I would have been retired off by now, with my feet up and my allotment growing all my organic veg!forest tony wrote: Do people really get those amounts of money on the public sector, quoted in this article, suppose they get holiday pay and sick pay as well! This is like a slap in the face for me, I do anything between 40 or 50 hours a week,get no sick pay or holiday pay and most days no lunch break, I am lucky if after costs of running my business I see more then £11000 a year being a self employed sole trader! Oh to work for a council again even with paycuts! I would feel rich!If its that blindingly simple why not get a job with the Council? Are you forest tony or forest gump?
Are you in the lucky bracket?(£17,500-£
22,000).
or are you under or over?
if under will you be losing the £250 pay rise you received under the tories?
If over are you happy waiting till 2014 for you're money whilst that one bracket ( the 2% cut) get their money now?
If you're so much in the know what are we going to hear the Labour plans are in November?
You are being led down the garden path when I say you I mean Union members & in November you will see exactly how far down that path the Unions have led you.
I will still be here then so let's wait & see you're reactions.
loosehead
says...
4:20pm Wed 22 Aug 12
geoff51 wrote:Keep an eye out for the November announcement from the Labour council.
Maine Lobster wrote:For a better service than the people of Southampton will ever get!
George4th wrote:Of course living in a local authority area neighbouring Southampton guarantees you will be paying more Council Tax than if you lived in the city!
geoff51 wrote:Totton - good move.
Arn't I glad I moved out to Totton a few years ago! At least ther you can be almost guaranteed that there will never be a Labour council ruling us.
Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories.
In reply to the poster who said you never see a poor Tory, thats because unlike Labour voters they dont believe the world owes them a living and just get on with making the best they can to provide for their families
"Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories."
My sentiments exactly!
Southampton has been surrounded by non-Labour councils who are far more successful in terms of standard of living etc. Why have the voters of Southampton been so daft as to re-elect proven failure? (As for a Labour government? - well, we just as well all move to Greece!!)
Just wait until the SCC set the council tax rate for next year and see who is paying the most, it the Government dont stop them.
It is very easy to spend someone elses money to apeease your Union puppet masters, but you will eventually be called to book by the voters
there will be a few union members very angry
southy
says...
6:03pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:And this what is happening under Capitalism, it makes people unemployed in mass numbers, and over work the ones that do have a job and under pays them. If you add up todays present unemployed figures, that is Short term youth, Long term youth, Short term adult and Long term adult unemployed the firgures go over 6 million people to fight for scraps jobs that don't even amount 50,000 jobs on the market a year. what do you expect the economy will crash and keep on crashing with each crash a bit deeper than the last. Capitalism never wants full employment they would not be able to control working hours, pay agreement, how long you work for in life.
southy wrote:When you take away a person's incentive to work hard, they just don't.
Shoong wrote:Money is a tool to be used, and not hoarded in some off shore tax free banking to be worship.
southy wrote:Until you've spent all the money and the debt is passed onto the people.
Georgem wrote:We would Georgem as any true Socialism Economics and Political Policy it will put people before profit
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
>
The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
...
I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
People shouls all ways come before Profit.
When you've got your population slacking off, your economy just can't perform. That sends the entire country down the toilet.
We never ever had these problems before 1980 like we got now, when we did have at lest 40% economic and political Socialism policy.
Maine Lobster
says...
6:24pm Wed 22 Aug 12
geoff51 wrote:Glad you are hapy with NFDC. Keep your nose out of Southampton opinions then as it seems to have little relevance for you, apart of course to continue your sad old Tory rant.
Maine Lobster wrote:For a better service than the people of Southampton will ever get!
George4th wrote:Of course living in a local authority area neighbouring Southampton guarantees you will be paying more Council Tax than if you lived in the city!
geoff51 wrote:Totton - good move.
Arn't I glad I moved out to Totton a few years ago! At least ther you can be almost guaranteed that there will never be a Labour council ruling us.
Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories.
In reply to the poster who said you never see a poor Tory, thats because unlike Labour voters they dont believe the world owes them a living and just get on with making the best they can to provide for their families
"Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories."
My sentiments exactly!
Southampton has been surrounded by non-Labour councils who are far more successful in terms of standard of living etc. Why have the voters of Southampton been so daft as to re-elect proven failure? (As for a Labour government? - well, we just as well all move to Greece!!)
Just wait until the SCC set the council tax rate for next year and see who is paying the most, it the Government dont stop them.
It is very easy to spend someone elses money to apeease your Union puppet masters, but you will eventually be called to book by the voters
geoff51
says...
7:55pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Maine Lobster wrote:If you are representative of the Labour voter in Southampton, I am glad
geoff51 wrote:Glad you are hapy with NFDC. Keep your nose out of Southampton opinions then as it seems to have little relevance for you, apart of course to continue your sad old Tory rant.
Maine Lobster wrote:For a better service than the people of Southampton will ever get!
George4th wrote:Of course living in a local authority area neighbouring Southampton guarantees you will be paying more Council Tax than if you lived in the city!
geoff51 wrote:Totton - good move.
Arn't I glad I moved out to Totton a few years ago! At least ther you can be almost guaranteed that there will never be a Labour council ruling us.
Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories.
In reply to the poster who said you never see a poor Tory, thats because unlike Labour voters they dont believe the world owes them a living and just get on with making the best they can to provide for their families
"Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories."
My sentiments exactly!
Southampton has been surrounded by non-Labour councils who are far more successful in terms of standard of living etc. Why have the voters of Southampton been so daft as to re-elect proven failure? (As for a Labour government? - well, we just as well all move to Greece!!)
Just wait until the SCC set the council tax rate for next year and see who is paying the most, it the Government dont stop them.
It is very easy to spend someone elses money to apeease your Union puppet masters, but you will eventually be called to book by the voters
1 I no longer have to pay to keep the unelected union men in the luxury they enjoy at the expense of the taxpayer.
2 I still work in Southampton but dont have to live near you!
3 I have an MP who actually cares for the area and not his image like Denham and Whitehead gang
freefinker
says...
8:59pm Wed 22 Aug 12
southy wrote:.. no southy, you're talking boll0cks AGAIN.
Shoong wrote:And this what is happening under Capitalism, it makes people unemployed in mass numbers, and over work the ones that do have a job and under pays them. If you add up todays present unemployed figures, that is Short term youth, Long term youth, Short term adult and Long term adult unemployed the firgures go over 6 million people to fight for scraps jobs that don't even amount 50,000 jobs on the market a year. what do you expect the economy will crash and keep on crashing with each crash a bit deeper than the last. Capitalism never wants full employment they would not be able to control working hours, pay agreement, how long you work for in life.
southy wrote:When you take away a person's incentive to work hard, they just don't.
Shoong wrote:Money is a tool to be used, and not hoarded in some off shore tax free banking to be worship.
southy wrote:Until you've spent all the money and the debt is passed onto the people.
Georgem wrote:We would Georgem as any true Socialism Economics and Political Policy it will put people before profit
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
>
The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
...
I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
People shouls all ways come before Profit.
When you've got your population slacking off, your economy just can't perform. That sends the entire country down the toilet.
We never ever had these problems before 1980 like we got now, when we did have at lest 40% economic and political Socialism policy.
How many more times do I need to tell you about the unemployed statistics.
There are 2.564 million unemployed according to the very latest official government statistics.
You can’t argue with that. Your over 6 million is a made up lie.
loosehead
says...
9:15pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Well just heard SEE are putting up electricity & gas prices by 9% included in that is £200 standing charge?
I have just had Solar panels installed & before them I was only using £200 a year in electric & £300 gas which I know will decrease considerably now I have the panels so don't know how they'll get standing charge of £200 from a nine percent increase?
But if this council are going to try to spend,spend & get the money solely from council tax ( we'll hear in November) what a rise that will be on top of the power increases & the Petrol increases.
I wonder the level of defaulters of payment of tax will be?
It would be political suicide to raise taxes now.
If the money was there with no need for job cuts or cuts to services or raising of tax do you not think the Tories would have not used it? do you think they wanted out of power?
people have to get real & ask themselves where's all this money coming from? job cuts? council tax rises? cuts to refuse service? or cuts to all services?
If it was such a great achievement why aren't the union supporters & Labour supporters not on here celebrating?
I have just had Solar panels installed & before them I was only using £200 a year in electric & £300 gas which I know will decrease considerably now I have the panels so don't know how they'll get standing charge of £200 from a nine percent increase?
But if this council are going to try to spend,spend & get the money solely from council tax ( we'll hear in November) what a rise that will be on top of the power increases & the Petrol increases.
I wonder the level of defaulters of payment of tax will be?
It would be political suicide to raise taxes now.
If the money was there with no need for job cuts or cuts to services or raising of tax do you not think the Tories would have not used it? do you think they wanted out of power?
people have to get real & ask themselves where's all this money coming from? job cuts? council tax rises? cuts to refuse service? or cuts to all services?
If it was such a great achievement why aren't the union supporters & Labour supporters not on here celebrating?
loosehead
says...
9:43pm Wed 22 Aug 12
southy wrote:Under the last Government reaching towards 3million under this one dropping even with redundancies yet Social payments are going up?(why)
Shoong wrote:And this what is happening under Capitalism, it makes people unemployed in mass numbers, and over work the ones that do have a job and under pays them. If you add up todays present unemployed figures, that is Short term youth, Long term youth, Short term adult and Long term adult unemployed the firgures go over 6 million people to fight for scraps jobs that don't even amount 50,000 jobs on the market a year. what do you expect the economy will crash and keep on crashing with each crash a bit deeper than the last. Capitalism never wants full employment they would not be able to control working hours, pay agreement, how long you work for in life.
southy wrote:When you take away a person's incentive to work hard, they just don't.
Shoong wrote:Money is a tool to be used, and not hoarded in some off shore tax free banking to be worship.
southy wrote:Until you've spent all the money and the debt is passed onto the people.
Georgem wrote:We would Georgem as any true Socialism Economics and Political Policy it will put people before profit
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
>
The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
...
I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
People shouls all ways come before Profit.
When you've got your population slacking off, your economy just can't perform. That sends the entire country down the toilet.
We never ever had these problems before 1980 like we got now, when we did have at lest 40% economic and political Socialism policy.
yet no mention from any other party of 6million where do you dream these figures up from?
southy
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9:52pm Wed 22 Aug 12
freefinker wrote:Latest Government figures if try to read it the right way is 2.564 million Adult Long term unemployed, there are over 1.6 million adult short term unemployed = 4.164 Adult unemployed in total, i not got to adding on the youth unemployment which as just shot up pass the 2 million short term unemployment and the 1.5 million youth long term unemployment.
southy wrote:.. no southy, you're talking boll0cks AGAIN.
Shoong wrote:And this what is happening under Capitalism, it makes people unemployed in mass numbers, and over work the ones that do have a job and under pays them. If you add up todays present unemployed figures, that is Short term youth, Long term youth, Short term adult and Long term adult unemployed the firgures go over 6 million people to fight for scraps jobs that don't even amount 50,000 jobs on the market a year. what do you expect the economy will crash and keep on crashing with each crash a bit deeper than the last. Capitalism never wants full employment they would not be able to control working hours, pay agreement, how long you work for in life.
southy wrote:When you take away a person's incentive to work hard, they just don't.
Shoong wrote:Money is a tool to be used, and not hoarded in some off shore tax free banking to be worship.
southy wrote:Until you've spent all the money and the debt is passed onto the people.
Georgem wrote:We would Georgem as any true Socialism Economics and Political Policy it will put people before profit
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
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The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
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I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
People shouls all ways come before Profit.
When you've got your population slacking off, your economy just can't perform. That sends the entire country down the toilet.
We never ever had these problems before 1980 like we got now, when we did have at lest 40% economic and political Socialism policy.
How many more times do I need to tell you about the unemployed statistics.
There are 2.564 million unemployed according to the very latest official government statistics.
You can’t argue with that. Your over 6 million is a made up lie.
Read all the figures and not just the one like the Government do, they never publish all 4 figures at the same time.
No its not a lie I just will not do what you will do, and that is to bend and twist.
Like the Green Party in Brighton have now shown what the Green Party really stands for Cuts in services and Jobs, oh but right thats a lie to according to you, when you dam well know its not, it was the Green Party Cut Budget put forward by the Greens and voted though. Don't pretend that the Capitalist Green Party is people friendly because they are not.
freefinker
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12:24am Thu 23 Aug 12
southy wrote:Yes, it is another of your lies.
freefinker wrote:Latest Government figures if try to read it the right way is 2.564 million Adult Long term unemployed, there are over 1.6 million adult short term unemployed = 4.164 Adult unemployed in total, i not got to adding on the youth unemployment which as just shot up pass the 2 million short term unemployment and the 1.5 million youth long term unemployment.
southy wrote:.. no southy, you're talking boll0cks AGAIN.
Shoong wrote:And this what is happening under Capitalism, it makes people unemployed in mass numbers, and over work the ones that do have a job and under pays them. If you add up todays present unemployed figures, that is Short term youth, Long term youth, Short term adult and Long term adult unemployed the firgures go over 6 million people to fight for scraps jobs that don't even amount 50,000 jobs on the market a year. what do you expect the economy will crash and keep on crashing with each crash a bit deeper than the last. Capitalism never wants full employment they would not be able to control working hours, pay agreement, how long you work for in life.
southy wrote:When you take away a person's incentive to work hard, they just don't.
Shoong wrote:Money is a tool to be used, and not hoarded in some off shore tax free banking to be worship.
southy wrote:Until you've spent all the money and the debt is passed onto the people.
Georgem wrote:We would Georgem as any true Socialism Economics and Political Policy it will put people before profit
southy wrote:Shockingly, southy, I pretty much agree with you here. I wouldn't necessarily say "Thatcherites" but that's by the by. The point is, as you say, it doesn't really matter who is in power, the result is generally the same. Seems the party system in this country itself is dysfunctional.
George4th wrote:Our problem is we are ruled by Thatcherites, it don't matter what main party you pick on, its one policy with multi-faces
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled."
Independent Thought wrote:Very true.
I used to work for the Council, but I am now on the outside!
The Council has to strip out (basically reduce) around £30m from its 2013/14 budget. This is seismic stuff that will make the Oaklands Pool saga look like a walk in the park!
I don't think any of us have seen anything yet. We need to wait and see what the budget savings proposals actually are? Should be out towards the end of this year and will need Council approval (for C/Tax setting purposes) in February 2013.
Sad fact of life if not whole of it most of our political class these days is virtually full of clones of Mandelson. Good at smoke and mirror tricks, few pies in the sky and many people get fooled.
Unless 'the people' start falling for their tricks, our democracy will keep on drifting into drains.
I certainly agree this was the case under the last Labour government. Mandelson was so good that the law couldn't touch him! (Remember the Mortgage loan?!!!). He ruled the Labour party and the government and even dear old Gordon found himself running to Mandelson for help!
>
The Unions are running our Council because those who represent the Labour council have been promoted above their capabilities........
...
I should point out that I believe this extends to ALL parties, including your own Socialist party, who I don't believe would perform much differently should they ever reach power.
People shouls all ways come before Profit.
When you've got your population slacking off, your economy just can't perform. That sends the entire country down the toilet.
We never ever had these problems before 1980 like we got now, when we did have at lest 40% economic and political Socialism policy.
How many more times do I need to tell you about the unemployed statistics.
There are 2.564 million unemployed according to the very latest official government statistics.
You can’t argue with that. Your over 6 million is a made up lie.
Read all the figures and not just the one like the Government do, they never publish all 4 figures at the same time.
No its not a lie I just will not do what you will do, and that is to bend and twist.
Like the Green Party in Brighton have now shown what the Green Party really stands for Cuts in services and Jobs, oh but right thats a lie to according to you, when you dam well know its not, it was the Green Party Cut Budget put forward by the Greens and voted though. Don't pretend that the Capitalist Green Party is people friendly because they are not.
Here you will find all the current statistics for unemployment by "age and duration": -
http://www.ons.gov.u
k/ons/rel/lms/labour
-market-statistics/a
ugust-2012/table-une
m01.xls
It’s not as though I haven’t told you before, is it?
When will you learn to stop lying?
freefinker
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12:28am Thu 23 Aug 12
.. and why you have this fixation with the Green Party in Brighton is beyond me.
A tad jealous, perhaps?
A tad jealous, perhaps?
Maine Lobster
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7:37am Thu 23 Aug 12
geoff51 wrote:And the rant goes on.....!
Maine Lobster wrote:If you are representative of the Labour voter in Southampton, I am glad
geoff51 wrote:Glad you are hapy with NFDC. Keep your nose out of Southampton opinions then as it seems to have little relevance for you, apart of course to continue your sad old Tory rant.
Maine Lobster wrote:For a better service than the people of Southampton will ever get!
George4th wrote:Of course living in a local authority area neighbouring Southampton guarantees you will be paying more Council Tax than if you lived in the city!
geoff51 wrote:Totton - good move.
Arn't I glad I moved out to Totton a few years ago! At least ther you can be almost guaranteed that there will never be a Labour council ruling us.
Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories.
In reply to the poster who said you never see a poor Tory, thats because unlike Labour voters they dont believe the world owes them a living and just get on with making the best they can to provide for their families
"Why do people not realise that Labour has no idea about running a city or a government and has never left office without leaving a mess, and are puppets to the unelected trade unions.
How they ever get one vote let alone win seats is beyond belief, the voters must have very short memories."
My sentiments exactly!
Southampton has been surrounded by non-Labour councils who are far more successful in terms of standard of living etc. Why have the voters of Southampton been so daft as to re-elect proven failure? (As for a Labour government? - well, we just as well all move to Greece!!)
Just wait until the SCC set the council tax rate for next year and see who is paying the most, it the Government dont stop them.
It is very easy to spend someone elses money to apeease your Union puppet masters, but you will eventually be called to book by the voters
1 I no longer have to pay to keep the unelected union men in the luxury they enjoy at the expense of the taxpayer.
2 I still work in Southampton but dont have to live near you!
3 I have an MP who actually cares for the area and not his image like Denham and Whitehead gang
ohmywell says...
1:48pm Tue 21 Aug 12