Lib Dems want councillor to be police chief (From Daily Echo)

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With the greatest of respect to David Goodall, Michael Mates, Jacqui Rayment and Simon Hayes ........ This is a total and complete WASTE of Public Money ... all clambouring for a seat on the Gravey Train

Lone Ranger. wrote:
With the greatest of respect to David Goodall, Michael Mates, Jacqui Rayment and Simon Hayes ........ This is a total and complete WASTE of Public Money ... all clambouring for a seat on the Gravey Train

seconded.

It was supposed to be non political... but was never to be.........

Lone Ranger. wrote:
With the greatest of respect to David Goodall, Michael Mates, Jacqui Rayment and Simon Hayes ........ This is a total and complete WASTE of Public Money ... all clambouring for a seat on the Gravey Train

That is correct, fully agree with your assessment.

Tory candidate used to be mate of a super crook found guilty of mutil million fraud.

This Lib-Dem geezer supports legalising drugs.

And NuLabour's lady is the one who casually signed statement full of lies, as Deputy Leader of Southampton Council over resignation of a fellow Councillor and was made to admit by opposition in full Council meeting but lost her rag when questioned further and has shamelessly ambitious, wants to become police's 'Fat Controler' because easy £85,000 is not a bad sum.

Nobody seem to know much about independent candidate apart from that he is a former Tory.

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Instead of LibDem4Hants PCC typical greedy Lib Dem could have made the point.

With your views on drugs you may appeal to likes of John Denham, certainly will not get my vote

he seems too busy already on the gravy train to earn even more, lets not vote and then no one wins

It seems pretty unfair to hold Jacqui's rampant weight issues against her Paramjit ? It may be hormonal or something else beyond her control.

I do agree however on your assessment of her temperament. The police commissioner will need a cool calm head about himself something she lacks.

As for the drug issue, I actually agree with David on this one. The criminalizing of Marijuana places the law in contempt with an increasingly large section of the populace and whilst I agree on balance its use should be discouraged it is no worse than alcohol or tobacco and should be treated the same. Would save a lot of wasted police time and effort and generate a bob or two in taxes.

SotonGreen wrote:
It seems pretty unfair to hold Jacqui's rampant weight issues against her Paramjit ? It may be hormonal or something else beyond her control.

I do agree however on your assessment of her temperament. The police commissioner will need a cool calm head about himself something she lacks.

As for the drug issue, I actually agree with David on this one. The criminalizing of Marijuana places the law in contempt with an increasingly large section of the populace and whilst I agree on balance its use should be discouraged it is no worse than alcohol or tobacco and should be treated the same. Would save a lot of wasted police time and effort and generate a bob or two in taxes.

Well said, especially the last paragraph.

Agree it's not on to discuss Rayment's weight issue, but generally speaking there are no other reasons for being overweight than these three: -
1) Eats to much
2) Doesn't exercise enough.
3) Both of 1) and 2) above.

How much does this vote cost? If the Biomass vote costs £75K for a couple of wards. This must cost about half a million.

Each election is costing £2m and I kid you not. Utter madness !

SotonGreen wrote:
Each election is costing £2m and I kid you not. Utter madness !

If that's the case cancel the vote, and put the 2 million towards Oakland's pool, and employ someone not policital to be police chief.

Just to correct points made I am NOT in favour legalising drugs.

Decriminalisation here is similar to the process the Portugal which has halved drug use in the past 10 years.

Decriminalisation does not mean people can carry around, use, and sell drugs free from police interference. That would be legalisation. Drug decriminalisation means drug possession, distribution, and use is still illegal. However distribution and trafficking is still a criminal offense and criminals involved in this process are sent through the criminal justice system as they are now. Whereas the drug users are moved out of criminal courts and into a special court where each offender's unique situation is judged by legal experts, psychologists, and social workers. Treatment and further action is decided in these courts, where addicts and drug use is treated as a public health service rather than referring it to the criminal justice system.

Drug users are the victims of the drug trade and not the criminals of the drug trade. Therefore different actions need to be taken. It is only by helping the drug users to quit that demand will be reduced and the real problem of drug use can be tackled.

freefinker wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
It seems pretty unfair to hold Jacqui's rampant weight issues against her Paramjit ? It may be hormonal or something else beyond her control.

I do agree however on your assessment of her temperament. The police commissioner will need a cool calm head about himself something she lacks.

As for the drug issue, I actually agree with David on this one. The criminalizing of Marijuana places the law in contempt with an increasingly large section of the populace and whilst I agree on balance its use should be discouraged it is no worse than alcohol or tobacco and should be treated the same. Would save a lot of wasted police time and effort and generate a bob or two in taxes.

Well said, especially the last paragraph.

Agree it's not on to discuss Rayment's weight issue, but generally speaking there are no other reasons for being overweight than these three: -
1) Eats to much
2) Doesn't exercise enough.
3) Both of 1) and 2) above.

I was not referring to any individual's body weight, only compared work with character from Thomas the Tank Engine. Obsession with control.

I am really sorry if it has been misunderstood.

I do not share your liberal views on drugs. Use of less powerful drugs often leads to hard drugs. According to recent news item in the Guardian cannabis use causes serious health problems.

Just because tobaco and alchohal were not criminalised long time ago, for which now we are paying the price, should not be used as an excuse to keep on providing respectability to consumption of more and more harmful drugs.

David Goodall wrote:
Just to correct points made I am NOT in favour legalising drugs.

Decriminalisation here is similar to the process the Portugal which has halved drug use in the past 10 years.

Decriminalisation does not mean people can carry around, use, and sell drugs free from police interference. That would be legalisation. Drug decriminalisation means drug possession, distribution, and use is still illegal. However distribution and trafficking is still a criminal offense and criminals involved in this process are sent through the criminal justice system as they are now. Whereas the drug users are moved out of criminal courts and into a special court where each offender's unique situation is judged by legal experts, psychologists, and social workers. Treatment and further action is decided in these courts, where addicts and drug use is treated as a public health service rather than referring it to the criminal justice system.

Drug users are the victims of the drug trade and not the criminals of the drug trade. Therefore different actions need to be taken. It is only by helping the drug users to quit that demand will be reduced and the real problem of drug use can be tackled.

Police and Crime Commissioner will be expected to make sure laws passed by parliament are obeyed by people and properly policed, NOT making the laws. Either I am not understanding it properly or if you want to change the laws on drugs, you are contesting election for wrong office.

Hi Paramjit - naturally as Police and Crime Commissioner I will make sure laws passed by parliament are properly policed. The Police and Crime Commissioner will not be making laws. However when standing for election, I am also naturally asked my views on a wide range of the issues and this was one such issue. I am not contesting the wrong election just trying to answer questions about my views.

That said in Hampshire since May 2012 Operation Fortress has been in progress it is a two-year campaign to target serious violent crime linked to drugs in Southampton. The report on this at the Police Authority meeting this morning reported that so far it is having great success.

Operation Fortress is one of the biggest, most significant stand alone projects ever to be launched by the Police, with a dedicated team of officers and staff drawn from across the two counties. Funded by Hampshire Police Authority, Operation Fortress intends to make to the city a hostile place for anyone intent on coming here to deal drugs and harm others. Its aims are to restrict the supply of drugs, reduce the demand for drugs and to rebuild local communities.

Key to the success of the campaign is the work the Police are doing with partners across the city including Southampton City Council, Hampshire Probation Trust, and Southampton Voluntary Services as well as education and drug treatment professionals to help reduce the demand for drugs.

People turn to illegal drugs for many different reasons but doing so makes them more vulnerable to the violence associated with drugs and drug-dealing. Drug users may end up living in debt and fear as a result which can also have a devastating impact on their loved-ones, friends and relatives. The police's aim and hope is to break the cycle of addiction, vulnerability and violence that ultimately impacts everyone in our local communities.

Detective Superintendent Kath Barnes has said: "We're well aware that some drug users will be on the fringes of criminality in their own right. But we've been careful in a number of appropriate cases to treat those individuals as victims of crime because they are being exploited, sometimes through their own vulnerabilities."

While the Operation Fortress team is focused primarily on catching drug-dealers, drug users identified through the campaign may also be referred to drug treatment services such as those provided through Southampton's Drug Action Team.

This work is just the sort of the campaign I am talking about and it would be enhanced if central Government made law changes to back it up.

Lone Ranger. wrote:
With the greatest of respect to David Goodall, Michael Mates, Jacqui Rayment and Simon Hayes ........ This is a total and complete WASTE of Public Money ... all clambouring for a seat on the Gravey Train

Agree wholeheartedly. Why on earth do you need to create this position, after all, the police have managed before now without one. More waste of public money.
Reading about Jacqi Rayment on this site, I'm surprised that she has the audacity to apply for a position of trust.

SaintM wrote:
he seems too busy already on the gravy train to earn even more, lets not vote and then no one wins

Couldnt Agree more SaintM Im sure the money could be used in another way and more suitably than this position, i certainly will not be voting and urge others to do the same!

skin2000 wrote:

SotonGreen wrote:
Each election is costing £2m and I kid you not. Utter madness !

If that's the case cancel the vote, and put the 2 million towards Oakland's pool, and employ someone not policital to be police chief.

and to think people are losing their jobs through Southampton City Council Cut Backs, how on earth can they justify this??? Absolutely Unbelievable!!