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Southampton to get 4G mobile internet by Christmas from Everything Everywhere
11:28am Tuesday 11th September 2012 in News
By Dan Kerins, Digital Editor
Southampton is to be one of the first cities in the UK to get 4G mobile internet.
By the end of the year, the city will be one of 16 targeted by Everything Everywhere (EE), the countries largest network operator.
It is expected the services, which are five times faster than current 3G technology, will be available by Christmas.
Unveiled at the Science Museum in London, the 4G network, which offers speeds up to five times faster than 3G, will be available on HTC, Samsung, Nokia and Huawei devices, as well as "one more to come", which is widely expected to be Apple's iPhone 5.
The announcement is likely to enrage EE's competitors, including Vodafone, 3 and O2, who have threatened legal action over telecoms regulator Ofcom's decision last month to allow EE to launch 4G on its existing network.
EE owns the T-Mobile and Orange networks.
The 4G services will allow uninterrupted access to the web on the go, high definition movies to be downloaded in minutes and TV to be streamed without buffering, it is promised.
Four cities - London, Bristol, Cardiff and Birmingham - are switched on today for the company's engineers to begin live testing and systems integration in readiness for the customer launch.
EE gave no specific date but said 4G will be available to its customers by Christmas in London, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast, Birmingham, Bristol, Derby, Glasgow, Hull, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Nottingham, Sheffield and Southampton.
The group plans to roll out the service to further towns, cities and rural areas next year, with population coverage of 70% and rising to 98% in 2014.
EE chief executive Olaf Swantee said the launch of 4G will become another "great moment for the country in 2012" and will make Britain, which is lagging behind countries such as the US and Germany with its 4G roll-out, a "more modern country".
The company and network will be re-branded EE but the Orange and T-Mobile brands will continue to exist alongside.
The EE brand will cover the 4G service as well as a fibre broadband product, set to reach 11 million households and businesses by the end of the year.
The company announced it is to open EE-branded stores, with more than 700 being unveiled across Britain's high streets in line with its customer brand launch.
The new EE stores - formerly Orange and T-Mobile shops - will serve customers of all three brands.
Orange and T-Mobile customers will continue to use the 3G and 2G mobile networks and must upgrade to EE if they wish to access 4G services.
Comments(57)
Just another reader
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11:57am Tue 11 Sep 12
Georgem
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12:00pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Just another reader wrote:I'm guessing there will be 4G data plans that take this into account. Uncapped data plans are slowly becoming more common anyway.
Only worry with this is that people will use their monthly data allowance in a few days, firing bills through the roof. I appreciate it's a huge step forward but lets have all the facts please so we can make an informed opinion.
AspieMum
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12:08pm Tue 11 Sep 12
dopplershift
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12:20pm Tue 11 Sep 12
AspieMum wrote:Absolutely. Lets try and get standard coverage for all first. Talk about running before walking.
I'm less than 10 miles from Southampton and yet I can't even get 3G. I also can't even get 2MBs broadband. Yet nearby Southampton is going to get 4G. They need to improve the network coverage for the rest of us.
I'm currently sat in totton/redbridge and have 1 bar signal.. 3G is non-existent. and I'm less than 3 miles from the city centre. Crazy.
Lockssmart
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12:39pm Tue 11 Sep 12
George4th
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12:51pm Tue 11 Sep 12
seany1966
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12:55pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Essruu
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1:03pm Tue 11 Sep 12
AspieMum wrote:If you're that bothered, maybe you should write to the Telecomms companies and offer to let them install new masts in your garden?
I'm less than 10 miles from Southampton and yet I can't even get 3G. I also can't even get 2MBs broadband. Yet nearby Southampton is going to get 4G. They need to improve the network coverage for the rest of us.
OSPREYSAINT
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1:20pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Essruu wrote:The next door nimbies wouldn't allow that to happen, dream on.
AspieMum wrote:If you're that bothered, maybe you should write to the Telecomms companies and offer to let them install new masts in your garden?
I'm less than 10 miles from Southampton and yet I can't even get 3G. I also can't even get 2MBs broadband. Yet nearby Southampton is going to get 4G. They need to improve the network coverage for the rest of us.
Georgem
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1:31pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Lockssmart wrote:If you were in business, would your priority be
Can't get Orange or T-mobile where I live in Locks Heath. Vodafone is the only network I can get. Rather than getting 4g, wouldn't it be better to get 100% network coverage for calls?
a) Improve things for your customers
b) Improve things for your competitors
?
Georgem
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1:31pm Tue 11 Sep 12
AspieMum wrote:Who are "they"?
I'm less than 10 miles from Southampton and yet I can't even get 3G. I also can't even get 2MBs broadband. Yet nearby Southampton is going to get 4G. They need to improve the network coverage for the rest of us.
Georgem
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1:33pm Tue 11 Sep 12
George4th wrote:Very true for a lot of people! Knock-on effect: those who stay on a landline will get better contention ratios. Everyone wins.
4G Dongle will negate the need for a land-line for Broadband!
mack chinnon
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2:47pm Tue 11 Sep 12
J.P.M
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2:47pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Agreed, however, contention rate is less used as a measure of service.
George4th wrote:Very true for a lot of people! Knock-on effect: those who stay on a landline will get better contention ratios. Everyone wins.
4G Dongle will negate the need for a land-line for Broadband!
In the UK, an RADSL (Rate Adaptive Digital Subscriber Line) connection used to be marketed with a contention ratio between 20:1 and 50:1 within the BT network, meaning that 20 to 50 subscribers, each assigned or sold a bandwidth of "up to" 8 Mbit/s for instance, may be sharing 8 Mbit/s of uplink bandwidth. With the advent of ADSL2+ ("up to" 20Mbit/s service), FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) offering 40Mbit/s services and even FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) offering 100Mbit/s, BT no longer work on "contention ratio" as a planning rule
xenolizes
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2:50pm Tue 11 Sep 12
batesieboy
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3:11pm Tue 11 Sep 12
City Saint
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3:16pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Maybe we should show some mercy and offer to help upgrade Pompey to telephone wires so they can graduate from cable.
arthur dalyrimple
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3:22pm Tue 11 Sep 12
seany1966 wrote:same with mine too.
I've always been on vodafone as it had the best coverage across the south , but now i cant even get a signal in my house . I live in Shirley and its been for about the last 2 months the signal has died right down... its not just my phone its the wife and daughter as well , anyone else finding this ???
AndyAndrews
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3:25pm Tue 11 Sep 12
ohec
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3:45pm Tue 11 Sep 12
seany1966 wrote:You might want to get a Sure Signal booster from Vodafone if you complain about poor signal they might offer you a deal.
I've always been on vodafone as it had the best coverage across the south , but now i cant even get a signal in my house . I live in Shirley and its been for about the last 2 months the signal has died right down... its not just my phone its the wife and daughter as well , anyone else finding this ???
userds5050
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3:54pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Everybody Everywhere or whatever they're called. I would be very surprised if the cost is not astronomical. Other countries which already have 4G have seen limited uptake because of the high costs involved. EE are also just using Orange, T mobiles existing 3G spectrum, so the capacity will be limited. If you live somewhere that doesn't have broadband then go for it, but I'm sceptical it will be a success.
AspieMum wrote:Who are "they"?
I'm less than 10 miles from Southampton and yet I can't even get 3G. I also can't even get 2MBs broadband. Yet nearby Southampton is going to get 4G. They need to improve the network coverage for the rest of us.
Georgem
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3:55pm Tue 11 Sep 12
J.P.M wrote:But contention ratio still definitely affects consumers. That's the contention ratio that's actually in play at a given time, not the cap applied by the provider. THAT will improve.
Georgem wrote:Agreed, however, contention rate is less used as a measure of service.
George4th wrote:Very true for a lot of people! Knock-on effect: those who stay on a landline will get better contention ratios. Everyone wins.
4G Dongle will negate the need for a land-line for Broadband!
In the UK, an RADSL (Rate Adaptive Digital Subscriber Line) connection used to be marketed with a contention ratio between 20:1 and 50:1 within the BT network, meaning that 20 to 50 subscribers, each assigned or sold a bandwidth of "up to" 8 Mbit/s for instance, may be sharing 8 Mbit/s of uplink bandwidth. With the advent of ADSL2+ ("up to" 20Mbit/s service), FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) offering 40Mbit/s services and even FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) offering 100Mbit/s, BT no longer work on "contention ratio" as a planning rule
Georgem
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3:56pm Tue 11 Sep 12
userds5050 wrote:But EE are not responsible for everyone's network. It's just a name.
Georgem wrote:Everybody Everywhere or whatever they're called. I would be very surprised if the cost is not astronomical. Other countries which already have 4G have seen limited uptake because of the high costs involved. EE are also just using Orange, T mobiles existing 3G spectrum, so the capacity will be limited. If you live somewhere that doesn't have broadband then go for it, but I'm sceptical it will be a success.
AspieMum wrote:Who are "they"?
I'm less than 10 miles from Southampton and yet I can't even get 3G. I also can't even get 2MBs broadband. Yet nearby Southampton is going to get 4G. They need to improve the network coverage for the rest of us.
bazzeroz
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3:59pm Tue 11 Sep 12
roadband service is a shambles!! Always has been and always will be. When you watch tv and programmes like Bush Pilots and the pilots are in the middle of nowhere talking on skype and using laptops doesn't that tell you something? Even a African state has a better service than us!
userds5050
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4:10pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:They are if you're on T mobile or Orange.
userds5050 wrote:But EE are not responsible for everyone's network. It's just a name.
Georgem wrote:Everybody Everywhere or whatever they're called. I would be very surprised if the cost is not astronomical. Other countries which already have 4G have seen limited uptake because of the high costs involved. EE are also just using Orange, T mobiles existing 3G spectrum, so the capacity will be limited. If you live somewhere that doesn't have broadband then go for it, but I'm sceptical it will be a success.
AspieMum wrote:Who are "they"?
I'm less than 10 miles from Southampton and yet I can't even get 3G. I also can't even get 2MBs broadband. Yet nearby Southampton is going to get 4G. They need to improve the network coverage for the rest of us.
What people are saying is they should prioritise for their 3G customers rather than the very small percentage of people who have 4G handsets and will use this service.
Just another reader
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4:48pm Tue 11 Sep 12
bazzeroz wrote:Unfortunately those guys are using satelite phones, and that's one he'll of an expensive game!
This countries telephone/internet/b
roadband service is a shambles!! Always has been and always will be. When you watch tv and programmes like Bush Pilots and the pilots are in the middle of nowhere talking on skype and using laptops doesn't that tell you something? Even a African state has a better service than us!
Paramjit Bahia
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5:53pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist
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6:38pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote:I wouldn't get anything from apple if you plan to use anything that's flash based because apple doesn't support flash.
Does anybody know if 4G signal will work with iPad third generation. Girl in Apple shop told me it will, but I am told by others in this industry that it won't, and that even in USA and Canada Apple is marketing two different types of iPad because of differnt signals. If that is correct, has annybody idea when Apple will start marketing iPad suitable for UK. Please advise
Paramjit Bahia
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7:07pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Thanks for info.
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Does anybody know if 4G signal will work with iPad third generation. Girl in Apple shop told me it will, but I am told by others in this industry that it won't, and that even in USA and Canada Apple is marketing two different types of iPad because of differnt signals. If that is correct, has annybody idea when Apple will start marketing iPad suitable for UK. Please adviseI wouldn't get anything from apple if you plan to use anything that's flash based because apple doesn't support flash.
My main use is emails (mainly text) or reading e-books
CEH393
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7:13pm Tue 11 Sep 12
seany1966 wrote:I went from Orange to Vodaphone for the duration of two 18 month contracts and could never get a signal on either handset I had, I only went with them the second time as they offered me what seemed a good deal on the iPhone i wanted, I got cheesed off as I work all over the country and could never speak to my wife or kids on the phone through no signal. I went back to Orange last December and get a full 3G signal in most areas. They for me are the best network, maybe that's why they have been allowed to run 4G before the others? That's my personal opinion.
I've always been on vodafone as it had the best coverage across the south , but now i cant even get a signal in my house . I live in Shirley and its been for about the last 2 months the signal has died right down... its not just my phone its the wife and daughter as well , anyone else finding this ???
Ginger_cyclist
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7:21pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote:I see, then an ipad will be good to you but I would get the wi-fi version, so many places offer free wi-fi these days, that there isn't really any need to use mobile web on a laptop or tablet pc unless you're in the middle of nowhere.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Thanks for info.
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Does anybody know if 4G signal will work with iPad third generation. Girl in Apple shop told me it will, but I am told by others in this industry that it won't, and that even in USA and Canada Apple is marketing two different types of iPad because of differnt signals. If that is correct, has annybody idea when Apple will start marketing iPad suitable for UK. Please adviseI wouldn't get anything from apple if you plan to use anything that's flash based because apple doesn't support flash.
My main use is emails (mainly text) or reading e-books
userds5050
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7:53pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote:I don't think it does. The new iPad is set up for a different 4G frequency which they use in the US. That is why Apple had to change all their marketing. The iPhone 5 which will be launched tomorrow will be compatible though. You can then tether this to your wifi iPad :)
Does anybody know if 4G signal will work with iPad third generation. Girl in Apple shop told me it will, but I am told by others in this industry that it won't, and that even in USA and Canada Apple is marketing two different types of iPad because of differnt signals. If that is correct, has annybody idea when Apple will start marketing iPad suitable for UK. Please advise
cantthinkofone
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8:06pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Even though they could make greater profits with higher prices on 4G?
The other companies are **** because they want us to be left behind on the tech front and try to keep milking 3G even though that cash cow has gone dry already.
No, it's because Ofcom gave EE a free pass to offer 4G ahead of any others even having the chance to, via the 4G bandwidth auction. They're effectively giving them a headstart on market share. I'm not surprised the others are a bit miffed to be honest.
userds5050
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9:18pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Bowmore
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9:34pm Tue 11 Sep 12
arthur dalyrimple wrote:Probably because they no longer have all the transmitters they had on the roof of the old Ordnance Survey building at Maybush Corner.
seany1966 wrote:same with mine too.
I've always been on vodafone as it had the best coverage across the south , but now i cant even get a signal in my house . I live in Shirley and its been for about the last 2 months the signal has died right down... its not just my phone its the wife and daughter as well , anyone else finding this ???
forest hump
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9:40pm Tue 11 Sep 12
IronLady2010
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9:41pm Tue 11 Sep 12
It's more for gadget freaks who want the latest 'thing'.
Ginger_cyclist
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10:59pm Tue 11 Sep 12
forest hump wrote:BT cut's broadband users bandwidth by at least half but hopefully speeds will increase drastically once all the fiber optics are in the ground.
All cellphone companies and broadband providers are thieving feckers. Sky continually cap broadband speeds and terms like "up to" should not be allowed
IronLady2010
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11:04pm Tue 11 Sep 12
forest hump wrote:Do they cap speeds, or is it based on how far you are away from the exchange? I believe one of the main exchanges is in Queensway, Southampton.
All cellphone companies and broadband providers are thieving feckers. Sky continually cap broadband speeds and terms like "up to" should not be allowed
IronLady2010
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11:05pm Tue 11 Sep 12
IronLady2010 wrote:As I'm not far from Queensway (Ocean Village) I guess my speed is good compared to those who live on the outskirts of Southampton.
forest hump wrote:Do they cap speeds, or is it based on how far you are away from the exchange? I believe one of the main exchanges is in Queensway, Southampton.
All cellphone companies and broadband providers are thieving feckers. Sky continually cap broadband speeds and terms like "up to" should not be allowed
Ginger_cyclist
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11:15pm Tue 11 Sep 12
IronLady2010 wrote:My closest exchange is in Woolston somewhere.
IronLady2010 wrote:As I'm not far from Queensway (Ocean Village) I guess my speed is good compared to those who live on the outskirts of Southampton.
forest hump wrote:Do they cap speeds, or is it based on how far you are away from the exchange? I believe one of the main exchanges is in Queensway, Southampton.
All cellphone companies and broadband providers are thieving feckers. Sky continually cap broadband speeds and terms like "up to" should not be allowed
IronLady2010
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11:17pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Most of Southampton is served from Queensway? Does Woolston have an exchange? check your ip with whois.
IronLady2010 wrote:My closest exchange is in Woolston somewhere.
IronLady2010 wrote:As I'm not far from Queensway (Ocean Village) I guess my speed is good compared to those who live on the outskirts of Southampton.
forest hump wrote:Do they cap speeds, or is it based on how far you are away from the exchange? I believe one of the main exchanges is in Queensway, Southampton.
All cellphone companies and broadband providers are thieving feckers. Sky continually cap broadband speeds and terms like "up to" should not be allowed
IronLady2010
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11:23pm Tue 11 Sep 12
ress.com/ then enlarge the map.
Ginger_cyclist
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11:32pm Tue 11 Sep 12
IronLady2010 wrote:Woolston does have one, also my IP probably confuses those sites since my computer has it's own IP on the network here at home so I'd have to do it from my dads computer for it to be accurate.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Most of Southampton is served from Queensway? Does Woolston have an exchange? check your ip with whois.
IronLady2010 wrote:My closest exchange is in Woolston somewhere.
IronLady2010 wrote:As I'm not far from Queensway (Ocean Village) I guess my speed is good compared to those who live on the outskirts of Southampton.
forest hump wrote:Do they cap speeds, or is it based on how far you are away from the exchange? I believe one of the main exchanges is in Queensway, Southampton.
All cellphone companies and broadband providers are thieving feckers. Sky continually cap broadband speeds and terms like "up to" should not be allowed
Georgem
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12:15am Wed 12 Sep 12
forest hump wrote:The technology does not allow for them to get rid of "up to".
All cellphone companies and broadband providers are thieving feckers. Sky continually cap broadband speeds and terms like "up to" should not be allowed
Georgem
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12:16am Wed 12 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Your computer's local IP address - the one that starts with 192.168 - is not sent to websites.
IronLady2010 wrote:Woolston does have one, also my IP probably confuses those sites since my computer has it's own IP on the network here at home so I'd have to do it from my dads computer for it to be accurate.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Most of Southampton is served from Queensway? Does Woolston have an exchange? check your ip with whois.
IronLady2010 wrote:My closest exchange is in Woolston somewhere.
IronLady2010 wrote:As I'm not far from Queensway (Ocean Village) I guess my speed is good compared to those who live on the outskirts of Southampton.
forest hump wrote:Do they cap speeds, or is it based on how far you are away from the exchange? I believe one of the main exchanges is in Queensway, Southampton.
All cellphone companies and broadband providers are thieving feckers. Sky continually cap broadband speeds and terms like "up to" should not be allowed
andysaints007
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1:04am Wed 12 Sep 12
seany1966 wrote:O2 has a wider coverage !
I've always been on vodafone as it had the best coverage across the south , but now i cant even get a signal in my house . I live in Shirley and its been for about the last 2 months the signal has died right down... its not just my phone its the wife and daughter as well , anyone else finding this ???
IronLady2010
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1:11am Wed 12 Sep 12
IronLady2010
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1:17am Wed 12 Sep 12
andysaints007 wrote:That depends on the handset ;-)
seany1966 wrote:O2 has a wider coverage !
I've always been on vodafone as it had the best coverage across the south , but now i cant even get a signal in my house . I live in Shirley and its been for about the last 2 months the signal has died right down... its not just my phone its the wife and daughter as well , anyone else finding this ???
userds5050
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9:02am Wed 12 Sep 12
IronLady2010 wrote:I know a few firms who advertise unlimited data but have a fair use policy. What they consider exceeds fair use is actually less than some other limited data plans.
Regardless of broadband, which mobile network allows unlimited data at almost broadband speed with no limit whatsoever? It isn't EE ;-)
Georgem
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9:04am Wed 12 Sep 12
IronLady2010 wrote:Giffgaff. Fantastic deals. The catch? You have to buy your own handset.
Regardless of broadband, which mobile network allows unlimited data at almost broadband speed with no limit whatsoever? It isn't EE ;-)
Paramjit Bahia
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9:47am Wed 12 Sep 12
Many thanks for helpful information and advice.
wilson castaway
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10:30am Wed 12 Sep 12
AspieMum
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4:15pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Essruu wrote:Not an option. My garden is too small and I doubt my landlord would approve.
AspieMum wrote:If you're that bothered, maybe you should write to the Telecomms companies and offer to let them install new masts in your garden?
I'm less than 10 miles from Southampton and yet I can't even get 3G. I also can't even get 2MBs broadband. Yet nearby Southampton is going to get 4G. They need to improve the network coverage for the rest of us.
AspieMum
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4:15pm Thu 20 Sep 12
George4th wrote:Not if you can't get it.
4G Dongle will negate the need for a land-line for Broadband!
AspieMum
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4:17pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:The people who sort out the network coverage
AspieMum wrote:Who are "they"?
I'm less than 10 miles from Southampton and yet I can't even get 3G. I also can't even get 2MBs broadband. Yet nearby Southampton is going to get 4G. They need to improve the network coverage for the rest of us.
Ginger_cyclist says...
11:47am Tue 11 Sep 12