Rowdy students told to 'shush' or face £80 fine (From Daily Echo)

It isn't just the students that make the noise.

This is great news, I live in the Polygon and am regularly woken up by idiot students singing, shouting, arguing etc at all hours (especially the coonts accross the road), hopefully this will help things.

A more effective measure would be to stop the bars from pouring drink down their throats to start with.

Love how people automatically jump to the conclusion that when they hear noise it is students...come to think of how the hell are the Police going to know they are students, start asking for ID cards??

By the way Echo, I think you meant to say "heed the advice".

just the local councils student tax , get them drunk as skunks ,then,fleece them after , clever stuff.

bigfella777 wrote:
A more effective measure would be to stop the bars from pouring drink down their throats to start with.

Bars pouring drinks down their throats, wow when i was younger we had to pay cash to recieve the drink so we could pour it down our throats ourself. just goes to show how lazy students are these days. is the pouring done by robots or the bar hostess?

Is it not an offence to be intoxicated in Licensed premises? It always was when I took my BII, but that was many years ago, things may have changed since.

Bars serving multiple high alcohol shots to any person will cause them to become intoxicated and yet they continue to serve them. They then spill out onto the street, puke everywhere and become a nuisance. So the issue is with the Licensed premises.

IronLady2010 wrote:
It isn't just the students that make the noise.

Absolutely right; noisy neighbours come in all ages. Picking on students is a soft target.

I think it's a brilliant idea. Now, as soon as drunken students see the police they'll shut up otherwise they get an on-the-spot fine. And if they can't pay they'll be arrested, hopefully charged, and get a criminal record, which will screw up job applications and interviews in the future.

Now why don't we extend this to all anti-social behaviour ? Clean up this yob-infested city.

Apart from the Blitz the worst thing ever to happen to Southampton was to become a University City.
We now get the noisy drunken, scum from all over the country polluting our City.

TEBOURBA wrote:
Apart from the Blitz the worst thing ever to happen to Southampton was to become a University City.
We now get the noisy drunken, scum from all over the country polluting our City.

So who do we blame for all the noise and drunks throughout the summer when the students were back home?

BillyTheKid wrote:
I think it's a brilliant idea. Now, as soon as drunken students see the police they'll shut up otherwise they get an on-the-spot fine. And if they can't pay they'll be arrested, hopefully charged, and get a criminal record, which will screw up job applications and interviews in the future.

Now why don't we extend this to all anti-social behaviour ? Clean up this yob-infested city.

Dik, do one.

Unfortunately I live in a student populated area.
The houses they live in are easily recognised by the filthy windows, even filthier curtains, overgrown gardens, bin bags and bins, empty beer cans and bottles, and stinking rubbish spilling over on to the public footpaths.
I use the Uni 1A and 1C buses regularly and never cease to be amazed at the lazy, couldn't care less scum sitting in seats designated for elderly and disabled people, forcing them to stand whilst this so called elite are sat on their a*ses busy texting, phoning or have earphones stuck in their ears.
The majority are ignorant pigs completely lacking in manners.
I fully support BillytheKid, persistent noisy drunken offenders should be fined, given a criminal record and sent down, perhaps that will give them the message -- telling them to shush is pathetic.
And yes, IronLady our neighbourhood is a damned sight quieter and a far more pleasant place to live when these ignorant pigs aren't here.

IronLady2010 wrote:

TEBOURBA wrote:
Apart from the Blitz the worst thing ever to happen to Southampton was to become a University City.
We now get the noisy drunken, scum from all over the country polluting our City.

So who do we blame for all the noise and drunks throughout the summer when the students were back home?

We blame the students who have come home, having attended universities in other cities during term-time. I believe students are inclined to continue drinking during holidays, and not confine it to term-time only.

Actually, when I was a student, back at the end of the 60's, we all wore smart suits, never spoke above a whisper, never drank alcohol, and spent most of our free time studying. And during the summer we all got holiday jobs in supermarkets putting frogs in salads.

TEBOURBA wrote:
Unfortunately I live in a student populated area.
The houses they live in are easily recognised by the filthy windows, even filthier curtains, overgrown gardens, bin bags and bins, empty beer cans and bottles, and stinking rubbish spilling over on to the public footpaths.
I use the Uni 1A and 1C buses regularly and never cease to be amazed at the lazy, couldn't care less scum sitting in seats designated for elderly and disabled people, forcing them to stand whilst this so called elite are sat on their a*ses busy texting, phoning or have earphones stuck in their ears.
The majority are ignorant pigs completely lacking in manners.
I fully support BillytheKid, persistent noisy drunken offenders should be fined, given a criminal record and sent down, perhaps that will give them the message -- telling them to shush is pathetic.
And yes, IronLady our neighbourhood is a damned sight quieter and a far more pleasant place to live when these ignorant pigs aren't here.

Unfortunately I live in a student populated area.

You again? wrote:

TEBOURBA wrote:
Unfortunately I live in a student populated area.
The houses they live in are easily recognised by the filthy windows, even filthier curtains, overgrown gardens, bin bags and bins, empty beer cans and bottles, and stinking rubbish spilling over on to the public footpaths.
I use the Uni 1A and 1C buses regularly and never cease to be amazed at the lazy, couldn't care less scum sitting in seats designated for elderly and disabled people, forcing them to stand whilst this so called elite are sat on their a*ses busy texting, phoning or have earphones stuck in their ears.
The majority are ignorant pigs completely lacking in manners.
I fully support BillytheKid, persistent noisy drunken offenders should be fined, given a criminal record and sent down, perhaps that will give them the message -- telling them to shush is pathetic.
And yes, IronLady our neighbourhood is a damned sight quieter and a far more pleasant place to live when these ignorant pigs aren't here.

Unfortunately I live in a student populated area.

I Live in Polygon and the local chavy inbred scum are far worse than the students. Least they are aiming to do something in their lives, unlike the tracksuit wearing 3 eyed scum you get littered in Shirly and Millbrook.

I think there's a certain dissociation when you are a student from another part of the country, you essentially treat your temporary city of choice much like a cheap Vegas hotel room in that inhabitions are cast by the wayside as you're not going to be around to clear up the mess afterwards.

Shoong wrote:
I think there's a certain dissociation when you are a student from another part of the country, you essentially treat your temporary city of choice much like a cheap Vegas hotel room in that inhabitions are cast by the wayside as you're not going to be around to clear up the mess afterwards.

I agree with this. I also suggest many long term residents are far worse! The only difference is everyone cleans up the mess whilst they still live here!

nedscrumpo wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote: It isn't just the students that make the noise.

Absolutely right; noisy neighbours come in all ages. Picking on students is a soft target.

I might well comment that I'd be surprised if either of you have ever lived in the close vacinity of eg. the Polygon area! I have actually shared a house with students in that area, 'though not as a student, myself. Actually, I got on pretty reasonably well with most of them there and even enjoyed the company of some too. Ok, so obviously it is not exclusively students who get all p1ssed-up and cause a nuisance to others in our society. It is not even mostly students who do and further it is not mostly students who do so in Southampton. However, in certain areas eg. the Polygon area, it most certainly is mainly the students who are responsible for this. Many of the houses in the roads in this area are inhabited by large numbers of students and a significant number of them do drink to excess and cause others to experience a disrupted life. This is a well known problem with University students throughout the country anyway - as identified from studies by - guess who? - people who've been to University! Now, some people in society, actually I would say most (!), reckon they are entitiled to some peace and quiet after a certain time of night, not least especially, and certainly during the weekday evenings, when they have to get up early for work the next morning. But anyway, ironlady2010, I seem recall that you have often referred critically to the missbehaviour of individuals on various Echo website stories, as lack of personal responsibility, or words very close to that effect (a type of criticism I personally would go along with in many situations by the way). But where exactly does that cricism of yours fit in with regard to your judgement of boozed up people (students or not) disrupting others' lives then? Surely you are not exclusively blaming the publicans "...serving multiple high alcohol shots to any person will cause them to become intoxicated...", are you? Because it does rather sound like it. Or do you perhaps have some (biased), personal, boozy-student 'form', yourself, I wonder?

AdamSFC wrote:
Love how people automatically jump to the conclusion that when they hear noise it is students...come to think of how the hell are the Police going to know they are students, start asking for ID cards??

It's pretty bloody obvious when you look out your window and see who it is making the noise, students aren't exactly difficult to spot in the Polygon.
I would imagine the Police would fine normal people same as students if they were making noise, thing is 99% of young people in the Polygon are students and those who are not like me and own property have respect for our neighbours.

Scrutinizer I lived in Wilton Ave when I first moved to Southampton, this was many years ago.

Licensed premises have to share some part of the blame, serving someone who is already passed their limit is not being a responsible Licencee.

Any person who is intoxicated is not in their normal mind, so to fine them will not make any difference as they don't know they are doing wrong as they're under the influence.

Unless we attempt to stop this at source, we will never solve the long term issue. You could argue they will buy from Asda and drink at home, I'm guessing most who get drunk at home don't then spill onto the streets to walk somewhere else, unless they are drinking with friends and need to walk home I guess?

IronLady2010 wrote:
Scrutinizer I lived in Wilton Ave when I first moved to Southampton, this was many years ago. Licensed premises have to share some part of the blame, serving someone who is already passed their limit is not being a responsible Licencee. Any person who is intoxicated is not in their normal mind, so to fine them will not make any difference as they don't know they are doing wrong as they're under the influence. Unless we attempt to stop this at source, we will never solve the long term issue. You could argue they will buy from Asda and drink at home, I'm guessing most who get drunk at home don't then spill onto the streets to walk somewhere else, unless they are drinking with friends and need to walk home I guess?

Yes, I agree with you, that some Licensed premises do have to share "some part of the blame", at least. But most people - of whatever age for that matter - who drink in pubs (or wherever), know full-well their limits when they are sober. So 'walking eyes wide open', so-to-speak, into a situation whereby they know their limit and willingly enter a state of behaviour which renders them "not in their normal mind" on account of exceeding their limit, with the consequence that they become intoxicated in an out of control, disruptive way, could be said, at the very least, to be a pretty poor excuse, not very intelligent, and more crucially putting oneself willingly into a position of almost certain social disruption and potential law-breaking! After all, people don't just down a first drink and then behave as previously mentioned. If that was the situation, well, then there might well be a very good case for banning booze altogether. There might be a very reasonable case for doing that anyway, 'though that's not what I'd call for, especially as I enjoy the very occasional bottle of red wine! But no, drinkers know their limits and allow, yes, allow themselves to exceed their limit. So, I'm all for fines as part of the solution. Obviously, it won't, can't, solve excess drinking on it's own, but if you hit someone hard enough in the pocket (much more than this ridiculous 80 quid, mind you), it will have a umm... sobering effect!

P.s. I have also lived in Wilton Avenue! Great memories - 'though I forget her name right name! ;-)

Scrutinizer wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote: Scrutinizer I lived in Wilton Ave when I first moved to Southampton, this was many years ago. Licensed premises have to share some part of the blame, serving someone who is already passed their limit is not being a responsible Licencee. Any person who is intoxicated is not in their normal mind, so to fine them will not make any difference as they don't know they are doing wrong as they're under the influence. Unless we attempt to stop this at source, we will never solve the long term issue. You could argue they will buy from Asda and drink at home, I'm guessing most who get drunk at home don't then spill onto the streets to walk somewhere else, unless they are drinking with friends and need to walk home I guess?

Yes, I agree with you, that some Licensed premises do have to share "some part of the blame", at least. But most people - of whatever age for that matter - who drink in pubs (or wherever), know full-well their limits when they are sober. So 'walking eyes wide open', so-to-speak, into a situation whereby they know their limit and willingly enter a state of behaviour which renders them "not in their normal mind" on account of exceeding their limit, with the consequence that they become intoxicated in an out of control, disruptive way, could be said, at the very least, to be a pretty poor excuse, not very intelligent, and more crucially putting oneself willingly into a position of almost certain social disruption and potential law-breaking! After all, people don't just down a first drink and then behave as previously mentioned. If that was the situation, well, then there might well be a very good case for banning booze altogether. There might be a very reasonable case for doing that anyway, 'though that's not what I'd call for, especially as I enjoy the very occasional bottle of red wine! But no, drinkers know their limits and allow, yes, allow themselves to exceed their limit. So, I'm all for fines as part of the solution. Obviously, it won't, can't, solve excess drinking on it's own, but if you hit someone hard enough in the pocket (much more than this ridiculous 80 quid, mind you), it will have a umm... sobering effect! P.s. I have also lived in Wilton Avenue! Great memories - 'though I forget her name right name! ;-)

That should be "'...'though I forget her name right now! ;-) Although...! ;-)

Scrutinizer wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote: Scrutinizer I lived in Wilton Ave when I first moved to Southampton, this was many years ago. Licensed premises have to share some part of the blame, serving someone who is already passed their limit is not being a responsible Licencee. Any person who is intoxicated is not in their normal mind, so to fine them will not make any difference as they don't know they are doing wrong as they're under the influence. Unless we attempt to stop this at source, we will never solve the long term issue. You could argue they will buy from Asda and drink at home, I'm guessing most who get drunk at home don't then spill onto the streets to walk somewhere else, unless they are drinking with friends and need to walk home I guess?

Yes, I agree with you, that some Licensed premises do have to share "some part of the blame", at least. But most people - of whatever age for that matter - who drink in pubs (or wherever), know full-well their limits when they are sober. So 'walking eyes wide open', so-to-speak, into a situation whereby they know their limit and willingly enter a state of behaviour which renders them "not in their normal mind" on account of exceeding their limit, with the consequence that they become intoxicated in an out of control, disruptive way, could be said, at the very least, to be a pretty poor excuse, not very intelligent, and more crucially putting oneself willingly into a position of almost certain social disruption and potential law-breaking! After all, people don't just down a first drink and then behave as previously mentioned. If that was the situation, well, then there might well be a very good case for banning booze altogether. There might be a very reasonable case for doing that anyway, 'though that's not what I'd call for, especially as I enjoy the very occasional bottle of red wine! But no, drinkers know their limits and allow, yes, allow themselves to exceed their limit. So, I'm all for fines as part of the solution. Obviously, it won't, can't, solve excess drinking on it's own, but if you hit someone hard enough in the pocket (much more than this ridiculous 80 quid, mind you), it will have a umm... sobering effect! P.s. I have also lived in Wilton Avenue! Great memories - 'though I forget her name right name! ;-)

That should be "'...'though I forget her name right now! ;-) Although...! ;-)

LOL, made me smile ;-)

Just been shown a video filmed on a Tuesday night and is still showing noisy, drunken, student age people in the Polygon at nearly 4 am on the Wednesday morning, this was taken about a year ago apparently. If it is still as bad there I'm glad I live in the Flower Roads.

Paraletic wrote:
Just been shown a video filmed on a Tuesday night and is still showing noisy, drunken, student age people in the Polygon at nearly 4 am on the Wednesday morning, this was taken about a year ago apparently. If it is still as bad there I'm glad I live in the Flower Roads.

I once lived in one of those Flower Roads, myself, at one time too, that would be back in the late 1990's! I was shacking up with a girlfriend, at her place, 'though actually, it was owned by her parents. But I seem to recall someone next door tried to burn their own place down! Now, I've no idea - as in can't recall - whether they were a bunch of drunken students 'round there, 'though I think they did smoke funny-lookin' 'fags'! You know the type, made with bits of cardboard at the business end? Mind you, my girfriend at the time was a Uni' student! Oh, and she wasn't into funny 'fags' or booze! Oh, can't life be so bleedin' complicated at times?! :-)))

TEBOURBA I see you are back out from under your bridge trolling on your favourite subject.

I wonder how many of those complaining about students have actually bothered talking to them about said behaviour ?

We live in communities, I think we have a responsibility to try and deal with issues in a grown up way by talking to each other and try to resolve issues through compromise and discourse like you know adults.

This hiding behind our net curtains and calling in the fuzz smacks to me of children referring school ground squabbles to our mum.

Be great when hundreds of people are going about loudly saying "shush" !!

bigfella777 wrote:
A more effective measure would be to stop the bars from pouring drink down their throats to start with.

No it wouldn't.

BillyTheKid wrote:
I think it's a brilliant idea. Now, as soon as drunken students see the police they'll shut up otherwise they get an on-the-spot fine. And if they can't pay they'll be arrested, hopefully charged, and get a criminal record, which will screw up job applications and interviews in the future.

Now why don't we extend this to all anti-social behaviour ? Clean up this yob-infested city.

How will a criminal record and no prospect of a job solve anything? I thought you were a bit more long-sighted than that, to be honest. Ruin the lives of anyone who steps out of line? Come off it.

I lived with my girlfriend in the Polygon last year, in a student house. On the day we moved in, the family next door (dad, mum, young daughter) popped over to have a chat and introduce themselves. Because of that, we built a relationship and were quite happy to keep the noise down. A bit of common courtesy would go along way, I think.

mtdiablo wrote:
I lived with my girlfriend in the Polygon last year, in a student house. On the day we moved in, the family next door (dad, mum, young daughter) popped over to have a chat and introduce themselves. Because of that, we built a relationship and were quite happy to keep the noise down. A bit of common courtesy would go along way, I think.

Oh right, well I am glad that you were "happy to keep the noise down", "Because of that"! But if your neighbours hadn't "popped over", would you and your housemates have bothered to have done so to their place, to initiate an introductory chat with them? Umm...

Georgem wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
I think it's a brilliant idea. Now, as soon as drunken students see the police they'll shut up otherwise they get an on-the-spot fine. And if they can't pay they'll be arrested, hopefully charged, and get a criminal record, which will screw up job applications and interviews in the future.

Now why don't we extend this to all anti-social behaviour ? Clean up this yob-infested city.

How will a criminal record and no prospect of a job solve anything? I thought you were a bit more long-sighted than that, to be honest. Ruin the lives of anyone who steps out of line? Come off it.

You've fallen for it again haven't you !!!.
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I keep telling you not to take the bait !!

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Georgem wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
I think it's a brilliant idea. Now, as soon as drunken students see the police they'll shut up otherwise they get an on-the-spot fine. And if they can't pay they'll be arrested, hopefully charged, and get a criminal record, which will screw up job applications and interviews in the future.

Now why don't we extend this to all anti-social behaviour ? Clean up this yob-infested city.

How will a criminal record and no prospect of a job solve anything? I thought you were a bit more long-sighted than that, to be honest. Ruin the lives of anyone who steps out of line? Come off it.

You've fallen for it again haven't you !!!.
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I keep telling you not to take the bait !!

It amuses me!

BillyTheKid wrote:
Actually, when I was a student, back at the end of the 60's, we all wore smart suits, never spoke above a whisper, never drank alcohol, and spent most of our free time studying. And during the summer we all got holiday jobs in supermarkets putting frogs in salads.

Hahahahahahaha!

You again? wrote:

You again? wrote:

TEBOURBA wrote: Unfortunately I live in a student populated area. The houses they live in are easily recognised by the filthy windows, even filthier curtains, overgrown gardens, bin bags and bins, empty beer cans and bottles, and stinking rubbish spilling over on to the public footpaths. I use the Uni 1A and 1C buses regularly and never cease to be amazed at the lazy, couldn't care less scum sitting in seats designated for elderly and disabled people, forcing them to stand whilst this so called elite are sat on their a*ses busy texting, phoning or have earphones stuck in their ears. The majority are ignorant pigs completely lacking in manners. I fully support BillytheKid, persistent noisy drunken offenders should be fined, given a criminal record and sent down, perhaps that will give them the message -- telling them to shush is pathetic. And yes, IronLady our neighbourhood is a damned sight quieter and a far more pleasant place to live when these ignorant pigs aren't here.

Unfortunately I live in a student populated area.

I Live in Polygon and the local chavy inbred scum are far worse than the students. Least they are aiming to do something in their lives, unlike the tracksuit wearing 3 eyed scum you get littered in Shirly and Millbrook.

There's an awful lot of tracksuit wearing Polish in Shirley who sit on benches and hang outside shops all day getting drunk. I see them in the morning on my way to work and they're still there when I come home, barely able to stand. And in case you wonder how I know they're Polish, it's because they make no attempt to speak English when they're shouting at passers by.

my parents lived in the polygon area for 15 years and were well aware of the noise and problems caused by the students a clue would be in the timings of incidents july to september would be quiet then from freshers week onwards would come the drunken behaviour spewing or urinating in gardens as well as noise and at the end of term all the discarded furnishings books and other unwanted items from vacated accomadation so i think the problem is ill mannered students

IronLady2010 wrote:
Scrutinizer I lived in Wilton Ave when I first moved to Southampton, this was many years ago.

Licensed premises have to share some part of the blame, serving someone who is already passed their limit is not being a responsible Licencee.

Any person who is intoxicated is not in their normal mind, so to fine them will not make any difference as they don't know they are doing wrong as they're under the influence.

Unless we attempt to stop this at source, we will never solve the long term issue. You could argue they will buy from Asda and drink at home, I'm guessing most who get drunk at home don't then spill onto the streets to walk somewhere else, unless they are drinking with friends and need to walk home I guess?

I get p*ssed sometimes at the weekend - I don't go around waking all my neighbours up though! Wind your neck in for once and just accept that sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions !

Scrutinizer wrote:

Paraletic wrote:
Just been shown a video filmed on a Tuesday night and is still showing noisy, drunken, student age people in the Polygon at nearly 4 am on the Wednesday morning, this was taken about a year ago apparently. If it is still as bad there I'm glad I live in the Flower Roads.

I once lived in one of those Flower Roads, myself, at one time too, that would be back in the late 1990's! I was shacking up with a girlfriend, at her place, 'though actually, it was owned by her parents. But I seem to recall someone next door tried to burn their own place down! Now, I've no idea - as in can't recall - whether they were a bunch of drunken students 'round there, 'though I think they did smoke funny-lookin' 'fags'! You know the type, made with bits of cardboard at the business end? Mind you, my girfriend at the time was a Uni' student! Oh, and she wasn't into funny 'fags' or booze! Oh, can't life be so bleedin' complicated at times?! :-)))

Yes, the student houses are the dirty, untidy ones, but fortunately not too many of them here. You can spot the student houses as you walk along the road, they're the ones with the wheelie bins left out on the pavement all week.

Scruitinizer, you do live up to your name ;).

I didn't mean to imply that without that visit we would've gone ahead with parties, simply that it meant that we could put a human face(s) on any complaints. Because we had that relationship, when we DID know we were going to be loud, we could let the family know and discuss it with them in a friendly way. I'm not suggesting long term residents go to every student house and do this, but getting friendly with neighbours is always helpful.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Georgem wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
I think it's a brilliant idea. Now, as soon as drunken students see the police they'll shut up otherwise they get an on-the-spot fine. And if they can't pay they'll be arrested, hopefully charged, and get a criminal record, which will screw up job applications and interviews in the future.

Now why don't we extend this to all anti-social behaviour ? Clean up this yob-infested city.

How will a criminal record and no prospect of a job solve anything? I thought you were a bit more long-sighted than that, to be honest. Ruin the lives of anyone who steps out of line? Come off it.

You've fallen for it again haven't you !!!.
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I keep telling you not to take the bait !!

Not bait, Lone Ranger, but satire on "zero tolerance", which is fudamentally what this story is about.

Try finding out about zero tolerance and shoplifting. Young teenagers who steal on a whim, seasoned thieves who steal all the time, mothers whose children pick up something in a shop, and elderly ladies who leave a shop without paying for something by accident all get treated the same. They are detained by security, arrested, interviewed and charged if there is clear intent, and, if they are not sure whether there was intent or not. They are all given a tespass order, and automatically banned for life from all branches of that shop throughout the country, whatever the outcome, even if they go to court and are found not guilty.

A "one size fits all" scheme like this will not be fair or just, like the attitude to shoplifting.

I won't respond to you any further on this issue, so you and Georgem can forget any childish "double act" like you used on me in a previous post.

8loody hell! This kicked off didn't it. Now listen............ SHUSH!

nedscrumpo wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
It isn't just the students that make the noise.

Absolutely right; noisy neighbours come in all ages. Picking on students is a soft target.

Oh, I'm sorry, the noise was coming from you grinding your false teeth.
It's always the students if you want to classify them as such. They are attending Solent after all.
What a joke!

mack chinnon wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
I think it's a brilliant idea. Now, as soon as drunken students see the police they'll shut up otherwise they get an on-the-spot fine. And if they can't pay they'll be arrested, hopefully charged, and get a criminal record, which will screw up job applications and interviews in the future.

Now why don't we extend this to all anti-social behaviour ? Clean up this yob-infested city.

Dik, do one.

Right on brother, at least someone is talking some sense.