Naked rambler jailed again

Naked rambler jailed again

Naked rambler jailed again

First published in News

The Hampshire man known as the Naked Rambler was jailed for five months for a breach of the peace today after he told a court he would not co-operate with social workers tasked with assessing his mental health.

Stephen Gough, 53, who has spent much of the past six years in prison for similar offences, was convicted of the charge last month after walking unclothed near a children's play park in Dunfermline, Fife, on July 20.

The incident took place three days after Gough, a well-known campaigner for his right to appear nude in public, was released from prison in Perth.

The former Marine, from Eastleigh , Hampshire, was sentenced at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court, where he appeared naked in the dock and represented himself.

Sheriff James Williamson had expressed his concern at a previous hearing about the accused's demeanour and ordered social workers to produce a report assessing Gough's emotional and mental health.

But the sheriff today told the rambler he had ''no alternative'' but to impose another custodial sentence after Gough refused to meet the officials and indicated he has no intention of doing so in the future.

Gough denied conducting himself in a disorderly manner and committing a breach of the peace by walking naked in Dunfermline's Cairncubie Road, in the Townhill area, arguing there is nothing about him that was indecent, alarming or offensive.

But he was convicted of the charge after a two-hour trial, in which he again appeared naked in the dock.

He appeared tearful at points during the earlier hearing, behaviour which in part led the sheriff to call for the mental health assessment.

He warned the rambler - who said he has no intention of changing his ways and wearing clothes in public - that he could ''end up serving prison sentence after prison sentence''.

But Gough today confirmed he had not yet co-operated with the social work department and was not prepared to meet them.

Passing sentence, Sheriff Williamson told him: ''You were indulged by the authorities and the police.

''I understand you to have left prison some time before your arrest.

''Police officers told you that if you carried on your journey you would pass a playground occupied by children.

''You were given three options: one to change direction, two to cover your private parts, or three to enter the police van, who would then take you round the play park, release you and allow you on your way.

''Despite that, you refused. That shows a degree of arrogance and disregard for other members of the public, in particular children, who have a right not to be confronted by naked men.''

The sheriff said Gough's ''arrogance'' continues to this day.

''In these circumstances I have no alternative but to impose a custodial sentence,'' he said.

''I take into account that I consider there to be no real sinister nature to your behaviour.''

Gough was allowed to leave Perth prison on July 17 and he was not re-arrested, in an apparent change of approach by Tayside Police.

But Fife Police arrested him near Dunfermline three days later.

Prior to the sentence being passed today, prosecutor Brian Robertson told the court the authorities were prepared to ''facilitate'' Gough's return home, if his behaviour does not cause alarm to the public.

Mr Robertson also summed up the background to Gough's case, telling the court the rambler has ''repeatedly adopted an unco-operative approach'' when dealing with the authorities.

He said Gough has spent much of the last nine years in Scotland.

He explained how, after a brief return to the south of England in 2006, a fully-clothed Gough boarded a plane back to Scotland but then stripped on board ''to the alarm of passengers'' and was arrested.

He also told how, in 2007, Gough was released from prison in Edinburgh and agreed to a police offer to be transported south. However, he changed his mind and was later arrested walking along the A71, the court heard.

Sentence was passed today after proceedings were halted for a short time over a dispute about the rambler's conduct in court.

Naked Gough was asked by the sheriff to sit down as he addressed the accused, but the rambler initially refused, saying he would ''prefer to stand'' and that he wanted to be treated like everyone else.

The sheriff warned he would convene the court elsewhere if necessary and ordered Gough to exit court when he refused to sit down.

When the accused returned to the courtroom after a 10-minute break, he sat in the dock throughout the remainder of the proceedings.

It is thought likely that Gough will serve his current five-month sentence behind bars in Edinburgh.

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12:11pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Gary81 says...

Stephen Gough is NOT mentally ill. It is society that is mentally ill for thinking that being naked is strange.
Stephen Gough is NOT mentally ill. It is society that is mentally ill for thinking that being naked is strange. Gary81
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12:19pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Solomon's Boot says...

We used to walk around naked when we were cavemen when our climate was warmer. The sooner this IDIOT puts some clothes on, the better.

He is clearly a rather sad, misguided exhibitionist/attent
ion seeker and to go to such lengths to get the attention he seeks, proves he is clearly in need of medical attention!
We used to walk around naked when we were cavemen when our climate was warmer. The sooner this IDIOT puts some clothes on, the better. He is clearly a rather sad, misguided exhibitionist/attent ion seeker and to go to such lengths to get the attention he seeks, proves he is clearly in need of medical attention! Solomon's Boot
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12:23pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Solomon's Boot says...

If he wants to wander about naked, he should F*** off to a naturist camp. That's what they're there for. Simple as that!!!!!
If he wants to wander about naked, he should F*** off to a naturist camp. That's what they're there for. Simple as that!!!!! Solomon's Boot
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12:24pm Thu 13 Sep 12

simon101 says...

Gary81 wrote:
Stephen Gough is NOT mentally ill. It is society that is mentally ill for thinking that being naked is strange.
Excuse me for thinking that protecting my children from an adult walking around nude means I am the one mentally ill. Gough is a waste of taxpayers money for his continual flouting of common decency. Put a pair of trousers on and get on with your life seems to be the best option.
[quote][p][bold]Gary81[/bold] wrote: Stephen Gough is NOT mentally ill. It is society that is mentally ill for thinking that being naked is strange.[/p][/quote]Excuse me for thinking that protecting my children from an adult walking around nude means I am the one mentally ill. Gough is a waste of taxpayers money for his continual flouting of common decency. Put a pair of trousers on and get on with your life seems to be the best option. simon101
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12:42pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Shoong says...

I don't care what anyone says - it is not socially acceptable.
I don't care what anyone says - it is not socially acceptable. Shoong
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12:48pm Thu 13 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

Why cant they just take him home to eastleigh so he can be naked in his house,I don think he will ever get out of Scotland.
Why cant they just take him home to eastleigh so he can be naked in his house,I don think he will ever get out of Scotland. bigfella777
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12:49pm Thu 13 Sep 12

BenjiWinsor says...

I do think he has mental health issues and what a shame that he won't even co-operate which to me implies he realises there might be issues and he doesn't want to know about them. If he weren't worried about a possible diagnosis he would agree to the assessment. I think it would be a good idea if he were released AFTER an assessment and intervention or the merry-go-round will continue.
I do think he has mental health issues and what a shame that he won't even co-operate which to me implies he realises there might be issues and he doesn't want to know about them. If he weren't worried about a possible diagnosis he would agree to the assessment. I think it would be a good idea if he were released AFTER an assessment and intervention or the merry-go-round will continue. BenjiWinsor
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1:04pm Thu 13 Sep 12

St Retford says...

I think it's a sign of a terrible disconnect from nature that humans feel the need to punish people for reminding them of what they look like without clothes. I mean, six months for showing a saggy old set of balls? It's just a naked man - he wasn't touching kids with it, was he? It shows a certain amount of self-hatred, don't you think?

(Or at least, that's what I told the judge when the police caught me going through Cheryl Cole's underwear draw naked. The bugger gave me two years.)
I think it's a sign of a terrible disconnect from nature that humans feel the need to punish people for reminding them of what they look like without clothes. I mean, six months for showing a saggy old set of balls? It's just a naked man - he wasn't touching kids with it, was he? It shows a certain amount of self-hatred, don't you think? (Or at least, that's what I told the judge when the police caught me going through Cheryl Cole's underwear draw naked. The bugger gave me two years.) St Retford
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1:18pm Thu 13 Sep 12

bazzeroz says...

So, he's cocked up again! Silly 8ugger. I do wonder though, did he keep his clothes on in prison? Be interesting to know. Anyone?
So, he's cocked up again! Silly 8ugger. I do wonder though, did he keep his clothes on in prison? Be interesting to know. Anyone? bazzeroz
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1:35pm Thu 13 Sep 12

BenjiWinsor says...

No, he stays naked apparently. Pity his cell mate.
No, he stays naked apparently. Pity his cell mate. BenjiWinsor
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1:39pm Thu 13 Sep 12

BenjiWinsor says...

St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.
St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others. BenjiWinsor
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1:56pm Thu 13 Sep 12

St Retford says...

BenjiWinsor wrote:
St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want to be looking at this man's wrinkled scrotum any more than you do, but I do think it's really weird that the sight of a nude human body in a non-sexual context can cause such outrage and deprive a man of six months of liberty.

I don't mean to sound like some sort of hippy, but if society was less uptight about nudity I bet far fewer people would be so simultaneously obsessed with and terrified by their own natural urges, which is where a lot of sexually-related crime comes from.

I have no evidence to back that up, obviously, but it's what I reckon.
[quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong - I don't want to be looking at this man's wrinkled scrotum any more than you do, but I do think it's really weird that the sight of a nude human body in a non-sexual context can cause such outrage and deprive a man of six months of liberty. I don't mean to sound like some sort of hippy, but if society was less uptight about nudity I bet far fewer people would be so simultaneously obsessed with and terrified by their own natural urges, which is where a lot of sexually-related crime comes from. I have no evidence to back that up, obviously, but it's what I reckon. St Retford
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1:56pm Thu 13 Sep 12

TheMysterycat says...

One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?
One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing? TheMysterycat
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2:05pm Thu 13 Sep 12

St Retford says...

TheMysterycat wrote:
One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?
It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.
[quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?[/p][/quote]It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born. St Retford
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2:38pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

I don't think I'm alone in knowing just what would happen if this creep appeared naked before my daughter. What worries me is the fact that he refused the mental health assesment, surely he could be 'deemed' by a competent doctor and if not treatable at least kept in a secure mental institution until he comes to his senses.
I don't think I'm alone in knowing just what would happen if this creep appeared naked before my daughter. What worries me is the fact that he refused the mental health assesment, surely he could be 'deemed' by a competent doctor and if not treatable at least kept in a secure mental institution until he comes to his senses. Inform Al
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4:50pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Huffter says...

The issue is not about being naked - it's about observing the law. Either his behaviour OR the law has to change.
The issue is not about being naked - it's about observing the law. Either his behaviour OR the law has to change. Huffter
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5:17pm Thu 13 Sep 12

cantthinkofone says...

BenjiWinsor wrote:
St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.
The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well.
[quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.[/p][/quote]The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well. cantthinkofone
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5:19pm Thu 13 Sep 12

cantthinkofone says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
BenjiWinsor wrote:
St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.
The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well.
The autocensored word is p0rn0graphy.

Not a swear word in any way. The censoring software in operation on this site really is bizarre.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.[/p][/quote]The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well.[/p][/quote]The autocensored word is p0rn0graphy. Not a swear word in any way. The censoring software in operation on this site really is bizarre. cantthinkofone
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5:37pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Georgem says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
BenjiWinsor wrote:
St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.
The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well.
The autocensored word is p0rn0graphy.

Not a swear word in any way. The censoring software in operation on this site really is bizarre.
Weird. I understand why they'd want to censor actual pornography, but the word pornography itself is not offensive.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.[/p][/quote]The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well.[/p][/quote]The autocensored word is p0rn0graphy. Not a swear word in any way. The censoring software in operation on this site really is bizarre.[/p][/quote]Weird. I understand why they'd want to censor actual por[bold][/bold]nography, but the word por[bold][/bold]nography itself is not offensive. Georgem
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5:39pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Inform Al wrote:
I don't think I'm alone in knowing just what would happen if this creep appeared naked before my daughter. What worries me is the fact that he refused the mental health assesment, surely he could be 'deemed' by a competent doctor and if not treatable at least kept in a secure mental institution until he comes to his senses.
I'm more concerned about you telling us your daughter is going to appear naked after this guy.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I don't think I'm alone in knowing just what would happen if this creep appeared naked before my daughter. What worries me is the fact that he refused the mental health assesment, surely he could be 'deemed' by a competent doctor and if not treatable at least kept in a secure mental institution until he comes to his senses.[/p][/quote]I'm more concerned about you telling us your daughter is going to appear naked after this guy. Georgem
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5:39pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Stillness says...

How can the human body be obscene. We all have one, we were all born with one and we will all die with one. To think a naked person is obscene is obscene in itself. Idiots who are prepared to spend thousands of pound changing it or to disguise it with designer labels are more obscene than nature could ever be. I would say that any obscenity only exists in the mind of the person who finds it obscene. I wonder if they turn the light of before they go to bed (probably on their own), refuse to look in the mirror and deny ever having had a Barclay's Bank?
How can the human body be obscene. We all have one, we were all born with one and we will all die with one. To think a naked person is obscene is obscene in itself. Idiots who are prepared to spend thousands of pound changing it or to disguise it with designer labels are more obscene than nature could ever be. I would say that any obscenity only exists in the mind of the person who finds it obscene. I wonder if they turn the light of before they go to bed (probably on their own), refuse to look in the mirror and deny ever having had a Barclay's Bank? Stillness
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6:09pm Thu 13 Sep 12

wilson castaway says...

Why cant the guy compromise.Ok be naked, in your own environment.Dont however subject total strangers who choose not to be naked in public,to your franks and beans.
Why cant the guy compromise.Ok be naked, in your own environment.Dont however subject total strangers who choose not to be naked in public,to your franks and beans. wilson castaway
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7:17pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Gainer T Gopher says...

1. just throw him onto one of the remote Scottish islands where the only inhabitants can watch him with their sheep eyes and he can wander around to his hearts content....

2. when he isn't out of prison, where does all his food money come from??
1. just throw him onto one of the remote Scottish islands where the only inhabitants can watch him with their sheep eyes and he can wander around to his hearts content.... 2. when he isn't out of prison, where does all his food money come from?? Gainer T Gopher
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7:22pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Gainer T Gopher wrote:
1. just throw him onto one of the remote Scottish islands where the only inhabitants can watch him with their sheep eyes and he can wander around to his hearts content....

2. when he isn't out of prison, where does all his food money come from??
Read the story again and use your brain. I can only assume you meant to say "when he isn't (in) prison.
[quote][p][bold]Gainer T Gopher[/bold] wrote: 1. just throw him onto one of the remote Scottish islands where the only inhabitants can watch him with their sheep eyes and he can wander around to his hearts content.... 2. when he isn't out of prison, where does all his food money come from??[/p][/quote]Read the story again and use your brain. I can only assume you meant to say "when he isn't (in) prison. Stillness
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7:25pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Huffter says...

Stillness wrote:
How can the human body be obscene. We all have one, we were all born with one and we will all die with one. To think a naked person is obscene is obscene in itself. Idiots who are prepared to spend thousands of pound changing it or to disguise it with designer labels are more obscene than nature could ever be. I would say that any obscenity only exists in the mind of the person who finds it obscene. I wonder if they turn the light of before they go to bed (probably on their own), refuse to look in the mirror and deny ever having had a Barclay's Bank?
You obviously haven't seen my body - you'd find that obscene!
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: How can the human body be obscene. We all have one, we were all born with one and we will all die with one. To think a naked person is obscene is obscene in itself. Idiots who are prepared to spend thousands of pound changing it or to disguise it with designer labels are more obscene than nature could ever be. I would say that any obscenity only exists in the mind of the person who finds it obscene. I wonder if they turn the light of before they go to bed (probably on their own), refuse to look in the mirror and deny ever having had a Barclay's Bank?[/p][/quote]You obviously haven't seen my body - you'd find that obscene! Huffter
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7:35pm Thu 13 Sep 12

G-man1 says...

I had "tummy trouble" the other week. With the best will in the world, I was glad we`d moved on from caveman times and that I had underpants on in the aftermath. God help anyone who would have had to sit on a bus after me if I had been naked.
I had "tummy trouble" the other week. With the best will in the world, I was glad we`d moved on from caveman times and that I had underpants on in the aftermath. God help anyone who would have had to sit on a bus after me if I had been naked. G-man1
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7:52pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Home Rule for England says...

If he wants to get back to nature then put him in a cell with no heating, no glass in the window, no clothing and straw for a bed! I'm sure he'd love it!
If he wants to get back to nature then put him in a cell with no heating, no glass in the window, no clothing and straw for a bed! I'm sure he'd love it! Home Rule for England
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8:10pm Thu 13 Sep 12

eurogordi says...

If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences.

Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse.

Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path! eurogordi
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8:18pm Thu 13 Sep 12

dolomiteman says...

St Retford wrote:
TheMysterycat wrote:
One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?
It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.
VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?[/p][/quote]It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.[/p][/quote]VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use. dolomiteman
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8:40pm Thu 13 Sep 12

cantthinkofone says...

Georgem wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
BenjiWinsor wrote:
St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.
The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well.
The autocensored word is p0rn0graphy.

Not a swear word in any way. The censoring software in operation on this site really is bizarre.
Weird. I understand why they'd want to censor actual pornography, but the word pornography itself is not offensive.
Given the other words that are I've noticed are automatically censored - dam, hek, hel, lu5t and so on (all misspelled here obviously) - my guess is that the comments section runs on software from the USA, parts of which can be incredibly puritan about such things.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.[/p][/quote]The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well.[/p][/quote]The autocensored word is p0rn0graphy. Not a swear word in any way. The censoring software in operation on this site really is bizarre.[/p][/quote]Weird. I understand why they'd want to censor actual por[bold][/bold]nography, but the word por[bold][/bold]nography itself is not offensive.[/p][/quote]Given the other words that are I've noticed are automatically censored - dam, hek, hel, lu5t and so on (all misspelled here obviously) - my guess is that the comments section runs on software from the USA, parts of which can be incredibly puritan about such things. cantthinkofone
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12:24am Fri 14 Sep 12

Georgem says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Georgem wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
BenjiWinsor wrote:
St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.
The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well.
The autocensored word is p0rn0graphy.

Not a swear word in any way. The censoring software in operation on this site really is bizarre.
Weird. I understand why they'd want to censor actual pornography, but the word pornography itself is not offensive.
Given the other words that are I've noticed are automatically censored - dam, hek, hel, lu5t and so on (all misspelled here obviously) - my guess is that the comments section runs on software from the USA, parts of which can be incredibly puritan about such things.
Eh? You mean as well as pornography, they've also censored damn, heck, hell AND lust?
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: St.Retford. The problem is environment and societal norms. One can happily go naked in many tribes and cultures, often originating due to the weather and there is no problem with that. In our society quite possibly due to the weather it is not normal to be seen naked and the fact is to do so causes upset and embarrassment to many people and does frighten children. To actually want to upset and frighten people, including children is the problem here, his own 'mission' over rides the feelings of others.[/p][/quote]The idea that nakedness frightens children is worrying in itself. Body image issues in later life may not be entirely unrelated. Quite possibly the unhealthy attitude towards fringe sexual activities and extreme **** that many seem to develop these days as well.[/p][/quote]The autocensored word is p0rn0graphy. Not a swear word in any way. The censoring software in operation on this site really is bizarre.[/p][/quote]Weird. I understand why they'd want to censor actual por[bold][/bold]nography, but the word por[bold][/bold]nography itself is not offensive.[/p][/quote]Given the other words that are I've noticed are automatically censored - dam, hek, hel, lu5t and so on (all misspelled here obviously) - my guess is that the comments section runs on software from the USA, parts of which can be incredibly puritan about such things.[/p][/quote]Eh? You mean as well as por[bold][/bold]nography, they've also censored da[bold][/bold]mn, he[bold][/bold]ck, he[bold][/bold]ll AND lu[bold][/bold]st? Georgem
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12:59am Fri 14 Sep 12

gnsp2545 says...

For heavens sake, leave this poor guy alone!! The police have already admitted that being naked is NOT a crime!! Just let him get on with his walking!! If the Brits weren't so Victorian in their attitudes, this would never have happened!!
For heavens sake, leave this poor guy alone!! The police have already admitted that being naked is NOT a crime!! Just let him get on with his walking!! If the Brits weren't so Victorian in their attitudes, this would never have happened!! gnsp2545
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7:17am Fri 14 Sep 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

I personally am not offended by Mr Gough and if my children saw him I think they would just laugh. but I guess that's the way they've been brought up to know that nakedness isn't a crime, even though they know that being naked outside isn't a good idea.

The trouble is that Mr Gough is an anarchist and wont' conform to laws or social norms. He may or may not be mentally ill but if he was really ill, he'd be Sectioned but even that has guidelines of procedures otherwise peopel could section anyone who appears a 'bit odd' on the street! so i guess that's out of the question.

The Authorities have no way of dealing with him other than keep putting him into jail. In a way, if he played them at their own game he wouldn't spend most of his time in jail.

The only children I DO worry about is Mr Gough's. He has a responsibility to them, not ours and they must be mortified and sad that he doesn't see them.

I do admire him though in many ways for not conforming to society but perhaps he could go and join the South American tribes where it's fine. I fear he may suffer from frostbite in the remote Scottish island, surely he MMUST have to cover up in winter??? it's not warm up there!!
I personally am not offended by Mr Gough and if my children saw him I think they would just laugh. but I guess that's the way they've been brought up to know that nakedness isn't a crime, even though they know that being naked outside isn't a good idea. The trouble is that Mr Gough is an anarchist and wont' conform to laws or social norms. He may or may not be mentally ill but if he was really ill, he'd be Sectioned but even that has guidelines of procedures otherwise peopel could section anyone who appears a 'bit odd' on the street! so i guess that's out of the question. The Authorities have no way of dealing with him other than keep putting him into jail. In a way, if he played them at their own game he wouldn't spend most of his time in jail. The only children I DO worry about is Mr Gough's. He has a responsibility to them, not ours and they must be mortified and sad that he doesn't see them. I do admire him though in many ways for not conforming to society but perhaps he could go and join the South American tribes where it's fine. I fear he may suffer from frostbite in the remote Scottish island, surely he MMUST have to cover up in winter??? it's not warm up there!! freemantlegirl2
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8:56am Fri 14 Sep 12

TheMysterycat says...

dolomiteman wrote:
St Retford wrote:
TheMysterycat wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?
It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.
VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.
Thank you - then you see my point? How you can you jail a man for wearing no clothes yet charge that man a tax to buy them?
[quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?[/p][/quote]It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.[/p][/quote]VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.[/p][/quote]Thank you - then you see my point? How you can you jail a man for wearing no clothes yet charge that man a tax to buy them? TheMysterycat
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9:46am Fri 14 Sep 12

Georgem says...

dolomiteman wrote:
St Retford wrote:
TheMysterycat wrote:
One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?
It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.
VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.
VAT is applicable only to luxury items? Since when? Why is it called 'value added' tax, and not 'luxury' tax? The tax is on value which is added.
[quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?[/p][/quote]It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.[/p][/quote]VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.[/p][/quote]VAT is applicable only to luxury items? Since when? Why is it called 'value added' tax, and not 'luxury' tax? The tax is on value which is added. Georgem
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9:50am Fri 14 Sep 12

Georgem says...

TheMysterycat wrote:
dolomiteman wrote:
St Retford wrote:
TheMysterycat wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?
It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.
VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.
Thank you - then you see my point? How you can you jail a man for wearing no clothes yet charge that man a tax to buy them?
Ah, but he ins't being charged a tax on buying them. VAT is what it says it is - a tax on the value added to the goods. In the case of clothes bought in a shop, the shop is going to a manufacturer and getting the clothes on behalf of the customer. That is the value they add, and that's what you're paying tax on. Beyond that, the manufacturer is taking raw materials, and turning them into clothes. That is the value they add, and that's what the shop is paying tax on. And so on.

We don't HAVE to buy our clothes from shops. We could make them ourselves. It's usually more convenient to let someone else do it, which is the value add portion. THAT is what VAT is paid on.
[quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?[/p][/quote]It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.[/p][/quote]VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.[/p][/quote]Thank you - then you see my point? How you can you jail a man for wearing no clothes yet charge that man a tax to buy them?[/p][/quote]Ah, but he ins't being charged a tax on buying them. VAT is what it says it is - a tax on the value added to the goods. In the case of clothes bought in a shop, the shop is going to a manufacturer and getting the clothes on behalf of the customer. That is the value they add, and that's what you're paying tax on. Beyond that, the manufacturer is taking raw materials, and turning them into clothes. That is the value they add, and that's what the shop is paying tax on. And so on. We don't HAVE to buy our clothes from shops. We could make them ourselves. It's usually more convenient to let someone else do it, which is the value add portion. THAT is what VAT is paid on. Georgem
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10:40am Fri 14 Sep 12

Solomon's Boot says...

"If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way."

Typical!! So you think EVERYONE ELSE
has to change to suit one individual?? How much would that cost us? NO! It would be a lot cheaper and quicker and easier if the T**T just put some clothes on!
"If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way." Typical!! So you think EVERYONE ELSE has to change to suit one individual?? How much would that cost us? NO! It would be a lot cheaper and quicker and easier if the T**T just put some clothes on! Solomon's Boot
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11:26am Fri 14 Sep 12

Shoong says...

eurogordi wrote:
If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences.

Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse.

Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right.

I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by.

Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake. Shoong
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12:11pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Shoong wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences.

Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse.

Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right.

I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by.

Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion. Stillness
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12:38pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences.

Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse.

Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right.

I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by.

Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.
No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted.

And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question.

I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.[/p][/quote]No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough. Shoong
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12:58pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences.

Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse.

Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right.

I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by.

Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.
No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted.

And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question.

I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.
Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up.
Shame. In more ways then one.
What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club.
Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.[/p][/quote]No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.[/p][/quote]Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up. Shame. In more ways then one. What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club. Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know. Stillness
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1:21pm Fri 14 Sep 12

lowe esteem says...

The naked loon's timed his custodial sentence for the autumn and winter months then?
His one man crusade wouldn't have stood up to much scrutiny otherwise would it? Aah, the paradox of deviousness that is the criminal mind.
While this tiresome charade goes on every spring and summer this exhibitionist miscreant's partner has to wear the trousers and
explain father's non-conformist behaviour to the children.
I suggest all the foolish sycophants on here take their placards and boots, turn off the lights and go and join their spiritual leader outside whatever centrally heated institution the authorities place him at, and have a long hard think through about your lipservice alternative lifestyle to the evolved and trusted model(not necessarily designer anything), and then (say 1 minute later) make that choice between home, family or the naked commune or whatever?
The naked loon's timed his custodial sentence for the autumn and winter months then? His one man crusade wouldn't have stood up to much scrutiny otherwise would it? Aah, the paradox of deviousness that is the criminal mind. While this tiresome charade goes on every spring and summer this exhibitionist miscreant's partner has to wear the trousers and explain father's non-conformist behaviour to the children. I suggest all the foolish sycophants on here take their placards and boots, turn off the lights and go and join their spiritual leader outside whatever centrally heated institution the authorities place him at, and have a long hard think through about your lipservice alternative lifestyle to the evolved and trusted model(not necessarily designer anything), and then (say 1 minute later) make that choice between home, family or the naked commune or whatever? lowe esteem
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1:23pm Fri 14 Sep 12

TheMysterycat says...

Georgem wrote:
TheMysterycat wrote:
dolomiteman wrote:
St Retford wrote:
TheMysterycat wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?
It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.
VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.
Thank you - then you see my point? How you can you jail a man for wearing no clothes yet charge that man a tax to buy them?
Ah, but he ins't being charged a tax on buying them. VAT is what it says it is - a tax on the value added to the goods. In the case of clothes bought in a shop, the shop is going to a manufacturer and getting the clothes on behalf of the customer. That is the value they add, and that's what you're paying tax on. Beyond that, the manufacturer is taking raw materials, and turning them into clothes. That is the value they add, and that's what the shop is paying tax on. And so on. We don't HAVE to buy our clothes from shops. We could make them ourselves. It's usually more convenient to let someone else do it, which is the value add portion. THAT is what VAT is paid on.
Then why is VAT not charged on infant clothes? Whats the difference?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?[/p][/quote]It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.[/p][/quote]VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.[/p][/quote]Thank you - then you see my point? How you can you jail a man for wearing no clothes yet charge that man a tax to buy them?[/p][/quote]Ah, but he ins't being charged a tax on buying them. VAT is what it says it is - a tax on the value added to the goods. In the case of clothes bought in a shop, the shop is going to a manufacturer and getting the clothes on behalf of the customer. That is the value they add, and that's what you're paying tax on. Beyond that, the manufacturer is taking raw materials, and turning them into clothes. That is the value they add, and that's what the shop is paying tax on. And so on. We don't HAVE to buy our clothes from shops. We could make them ourselves. It's usually more convenient to let someone else do it, which is the value add portion. THAT is what VAT is paid on.[/p][/quote]Then why is VAT not charged on infant clothes? Whats the difference? TheMysterycat
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1:24pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences.

Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse.

Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right.

I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by.

Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.
No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted.

And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question.

I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.
Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up.
Shame. In more ways then one.
What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club.
Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.
If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant.

There's nothing wrong with the human body. But...

Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it?

Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'.

WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'?

Dear oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.[/p][/quote]No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.[/p][/quote]Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up. Shame. In more ways then one. What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club. Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.[/p][/quote]If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant. There's nothing wrong with the human body. But... Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it? Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'. WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'? Dear oh dear. Shoong
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1:29pm Fri 14 Sep 12

S!monOn says...

Georgem wrote:
TheMysterycat wrote:
dolomiteman wrote:
St Retford wrote:
TheMysterycat wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?
It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.
VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.
Thank you - then you see my point? How you can you jail a man for wearing no clothes yet charge that man a tax to buy them?
Ah, but he ins't being charged a tax on buying them. VAT is what it says it is - a tax on the value added to the goods. In the case of clothes bought in a shop, the shop is going to a manufacturer and getting the clothes on behalf of the customer. That is the value they add, and that's what you're paying tax on. Beyond that, the manufacturer is taking raw materials, and turning them into clothes. That is the value they add, and that's what the shop is paying tax on. And so on. We don't HAVE to buy our clothes from shops. We could make them ourselves. It's usually more convenient to let someone else do it, which is the value add portion. THAT is what VAT is paid on.
By the time VAT reaches the end user (ie the consumer) the value added tax is purely a "sales" tax...
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMysterycat[/bold] wrote: One question. If being naked is a crime why is VAT added to adult clothing?[/p][/quote]It's also like saying god (or nature, or whatever you believe in) made a mistake when you were created; that there is something shameful about the state in which you were born.[/p][/quote]VAT is applicable luxury items and goods so in effect the goverment themselves are saying that adult clothing is a luxury and therefore not an item which you need for everyday use.[/p][/quote]Thank you - then you see my point? How you can you jail a man for wearing no clothes yet charge that man a tax to buy them?[/p][/quote]Ah, but he ins't being charged a tax on buying them. VAT is what it says it is - a tax on the value added to the goods. In the case of clothes bought in a shop, the shop is going to a manufacturer and getting the clothes on behalf of the customer. That is the value they add, and that's what you're paying tax on. Beyond that, the manufacturer is taking raw materials, and turning them into clothes. That is the value they add, and that's what the shop is paying tax on. And so on. We don't HAVE to buy our clothes from shops. We could make them ourselves. It's usually more convenient to let someone else do it, which is the value add portion. THAT is what VAT is paid on.[/p][/quote]By the time VAT reaches the end user (ie the consumer) the value added tax is purely a "sales" tax... S!monOn
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1:47pm Fri 14 Sep 12

mtdiablo says...

I think the important part of this particular case is that the police gave him three options, two of which did not include putting on clothes, to avoid being arrested, and Gough chose to ignore them. The police are trying to give him alternatives, but he's not listening. Regardless of how you see his ideals, he's creating the situations that lead to imprisonment.
I think the important part of this particular case is that the police gave him three options, two of which did not include putting on clothes, to avoid being arrested, and Gough chose to ignore them. The police are trying to give him alternatives, but he's not listening. Regardless of how you see his ideals, he's creating the situations that lead to imprisonment. mtdiablo
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2:07pm Fri 14 Sep 12

lowe esteem says...

Never trust a man with two beards,
Never trust a man with two beards, lowe esteem
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2:18pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences.

Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse.

Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right.

I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by.

Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.
No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted.

And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question.

I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.
Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up.
Shame. In more ways then one.
What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club.
Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.
If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant.

There's nothing wrong with the human body. But...

Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it?

Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'.

WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'?

Dear oh dear.
Just came back from 3 months naked in Spain. Is that good enough for you?
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.[/p][/quote]No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.[/p][/quote]Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up. Shame. In more ways then one. What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club. Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.[/p][/quote]If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant. There's nothing wrong with the human body. But... Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it? Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'. WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'? Dear oh dear.[/p][/quote]Just came back from 3 months naked in Spain. Is that good enough for you? Stillness
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2:21pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Why are you still here?

Why aren't you walking around your neighbourhood naked?

Come on, practise what you preach.
Why are you still here? Why aren't you walking around your neighbourhood naked? Come on, practise what you preach. Shoong
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2:22pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences.

Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse.

Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right.

I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by.

Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.
No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted.

And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question.

I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.
Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up.
Shame. In more ways then one.
What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club.
Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.
If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant.

There's nothing wrong with the human body. But...

Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it?

Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'.

WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'?

Dear oh dear.
Why are you asking "WTF is "cosmic coincidence"? Can't you even read man?
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.[/p][/quote]No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.[/p][/quote]Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up. Shame. In more ways then one. What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club. Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.[/p][/quote]If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant. There's nothing wrong with the human body. But... Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it? Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'. WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'? Dear oh dear.[/p][/quote]Why are you asking "WTF is "cosmic coincidence"? Can't you even read man? Stillness
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2:27pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences.

Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse.

Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right.

I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by.

Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.
No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted.

And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question.

I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.
Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up.
Shame. In more ways then one.
What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club.
Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.
If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant.

There's nothing wrong with the human body. But...

Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it?

Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'.

WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'?

Dear oh dear.
Just came back from 3 months naked in Spain. Is that good enough for you?
Why are you still here?

Why aren't you walking around your neighbourhood naked?

Come on, practise what you preach.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.[/p][/quote]No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.[/p][/quote]Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up. Shame. In more ways then one. What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club. Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.[/p][/quote]If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant. There's nothing wrong with the human body. But... Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it? Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'. WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'? Dear oh dear.[/p][/quote]Just came back from 3 months naked in Spain. Is that good enough for you?[/p][/quote]Why are you still here? Why aren't you walking around your neighbourhood naked? Come on, practise what you preach. Shoong
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2:28pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Shoong wrote:
Why are you still here?

Why aren't you walking around your neighbourhood naked?

Come on, practise what you preach.
I spend time naked whenever I feel comfortable doing so. I don't however has the type of personality (or lack of) to tell others when and where is comfortable for them.
Bu the way, I'll leave the preaching to you. Like a lot of preachers you just spout what you have been told to believe as thinking for yourself is beyond you.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Why are you still here? Why aren't you walking around your neighbourhood naked? Come on, practise what you preach.[/p][/quote]I spend time naked whenever I feel comfortable doing so. I don't however has the type of personality (or lack of) to tell others when and where is comfortable for them. Bu the way, I'll leave the preaching to you. Like a lot of preachers you just spout what you have been told to believe as thinking for yourself is beyond you. Stillness
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2:32pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Stop and have some thinking time Shoong. I'm of to the polytunnel for an hour (yes naked) so you have a bit of time to think up something worthy of saying. Perhaps.
Stop and have some thinking time Shoong. I'm of to the polytunnel for an hour (yes naked) so you have a bit of time to think up something worthy of saying. Perhaps. Stillness
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2:52pm Fri 14 Sep 12

S!monOn says...

Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
eurogordi wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.
No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.
Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up. Shame. In more ways then one. What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club. Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.
If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant. There's nothing wrong with the human body. But... Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it? Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'. WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'? Dear oh dear.
Why are you asking "WTF is "cosmic coincidence"? Can't you even read man?
What is "cosmic conscience"?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.[/p][/quote]No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.[/p][/quote]Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up. Shame. In more ways then one. What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club. Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.[/p][/quote]If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant. There's nothing wrong with the human body. But... Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it? Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'. WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'? Dear oh dear.[/p][/quote]Why are you asking "WTF is "cosmic coincidence"? Can't you even read man?[/p][/quote]What is "cosmic conscience"? S!monOn
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Stillness says...

S!monOn wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
eurogordi wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path!
Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.
Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.
No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.
Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up. Shame. In more ways then one. What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club. Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.
If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant. There's nothing wrong with the human body. But... Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it? Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'. WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'? Dear oh dear.
Why are you asking "WTF is "cosmic coincidence"? Can't you even read man?
What is "cosmic conscience"?
You do the Googleing you lazy bugger lol.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If the Police knew he would be walking by a children's playground, why didn't they just screen off the playground so he could pass and go on his way. The Police could have then warned other forces between Scotland and Eastleigh to do the same. That would have been a far cheaper option in my opinion than expensive court cases and prison sentences. Also, I fail to see the difference between this man walking naked among clothed people and clothed people (with clothed children) walking along the shoreline at Studland Bay, part of which is a recognised naturist beach. Perhaps these naturists should ask Dorset Police to stop clothed people walking by naked people! It is actually the same argument being put forward here, albeit in reverse. Equally there is a well known tourist attraction in Wiltshire that regularly holds "clothes optional days". It has been featured on TV and in magazines, yet no one seems to complain. A public footpath also runs alongside this attraction and, yes, bodies can be seen from the path![/p][/quote]Your right. I'm personally going to start an e-gov petition to make sure all playgrounds are screened in case this pervert walks by. Have a word with yourself for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]Interesting that you associate being naked as perverted. Perhaps you should have a closer look at what's going on in your mind? If you find that too hard perhaps you should consider some form of counseling. Just a suggestion.[/p][/quote]No, I was associating walking around in public naked as perverted. And I said 'this' pervert as in the nut job in question. I've no problem with being naked myself - I just keep it indoors funnily enough.[/p][/quote]Yes it is funny that you "keep it indoors". It's also funny that out all the different species that are a result of God, nature, cosmic conscience or what ever else you want to call it only one finds it necessary to cover up. Shame. In more ways then one. What is so wrong with a guy saying this is me, it's the way I was born, take it or leave it rather than look at me in my trendy clothes and designer labels trying to convince you that I'm better than you? Or dressing to intimidate by identifying themselves with a particular group, gang or even football club. Leave the guy be. If you don't like it, don't look. You do have a choice you know.[/p][/quote]If I didn't know better I'd think you were a wind up merchant. There's nothing wrong with the human body. But... Spend much time walking around in public naked lately? No? Why not? Your body is beautiful isn't it? Perhaps you should show us the strength of your convictions, go out for a walk starkers and then perhaps the local police might not stick you in a cell because of 'God, nature, or cosmic conscience'. WTF is 'cosmic coincidence'? Dear oh dear.[/p][/quote]Why are you asking "WTF is "cosmic coincidence"? Can't you even read man?[/p][/quote]What is "cosmic conscience"?[/p][/quote]You do the Googleing you lazy bugger lol. Stillness
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