More than 500 techno fanatics queue in WestQuay for new iPhone

Craig Powell who was first in the queue for the new iphone 5

Craig Powell who was first in the queue for the new iphone 5

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TECHNOLOGY fanatics crammed into Southampton 's WestQuay shopping centre this morning to get their hands on Apple's new iPhone 5 which was released today.

More than 500 gadget lovers were snaked around the shopping centre in long queues desperate to catch a glimpse of the new product.

The first iPhone owners joined the massive queue as early as 4pm yesterday for this morning's much-anticipated 8am launch so some were waiting 16 hours.

Then at 8am the shop shutters were opened and dozens of Apple staff ran around the centre cheering at the crowds to signify the start of business .

First in line Craig Powell, 27, a deputy manager of a care home, from Bognor Regis, said: “I've got everything Apple- iPads, the iPhones and I had to have the latest product. I feel absolutely dead now but it is worth it. I missed out on the iPad 3 because they sold out but I wasn't going to miss out on this.”

Peter Roberts, 25, a stay at home dad, from Locks Heath, was the first one out of the store with the iPhone 5 where he was cheered by the staff and crowds.

Peter, also slept overnight to ensure he was among the first people in the shop. He said: “Finally after 9 hours of waiting. It feels amazing I am going straight to bed when I get home- okay maybe I will make sure the iPhone5 is all charged up first.”

Store manager of Apple in Southampton Dave Lewis said it was the biggest launch in the city yet.

He said: “I have never had so many people turn up for a product launch- it is incredible. There must be over 500 people queuing, the queue is wrapped around on itself now and people are still arriving. We have been going around giving cookies and water, the atmosphere is great. People are really looking forward to seeing the new phone.”

Announced last week the iPhone 5 is thinner and lighter than its predecessor the iPhone 4S and it is powered by a processor which is twice as fast.

Apple has also improved the camera software for the iPhone 5 and has added 4G mobile broadband for the first time.

Earlier this week Apple announced that it had taken two million pre-orders for the iPhone 5 in the first 24 hours after pre-ordering opened.

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9:25am Fri 21 Sep 12

sarfhamton says...

So its just blokes then?
So its just blokes then? sarfhamton
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9:30am Fri 21 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

Sad,they should think about how it's made.
Sad,they should think about how it's made. bigfella777
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9:36am Fri 21 Sep 12

seany1966 says...

What a sad life these guys must lead....
What a sad life these guys must lead.... seany1966
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9:37am Fri 21 Sep 12

bully0046 says...

Got mine, though I didnt wait over night, joined the Q at 5.
Got mine, though I didnt wait over night, joined the Q at 5. bully0046
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9:38am Fri 21 Sep 12

News Fanatic says...

I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.
I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives. News Fanatic
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9:39am Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Sad,they should think about how it's made.
The X box 360 and Playstation 3 are made in the same factory. You got one of those?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Sad,they should think about how it's made.[/p][/quote]The X box 360 and Playstation 3 are made in the same factory. You got one of those? userds5050
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9:42am Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

News Fanatic wrote:
I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.
You get what you pay for.
[quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.[/p][/quote]You get what you pay for. Georgem
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9:49am Fri 21 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

userds5050 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Sad,they should think about how it's made.
The X box 360 and Playstation 3 are made in the same factory. You got one of those?
No sorry,but I am obviously using a computer.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Sad,they should think about how it's made.[/p][/quote]The X box 360 and Playstation 3 are made in the same factory. You got one of those?[/p][/quote]No sorry,but I am obviously using a computer. bigfella777
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9:53am Fri 21 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Craig Powell, you are a sad goon.
Craig Powell, you are a sad goon. Shoong
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9:57am Fri 21 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Georgem wrote:
News Fanatic wrote:
I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.
You get what you pay for.
Lol. Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were being serious. Then again I guess your right and in this case you are paying for a huge advertising company to sell a name.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.[/p][/quote]You get what you pay for.[/p][/quote]Lol. Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were being serious. Then again I guess your right and in this case you are paying for a huge advertising company to sell a name. Stillness
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9:59am Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Stillness wrote:
Georgem wrote:
News Fanatic wrote:
I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.
You get what you pay for.
Lol. Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were being serious. Then again I guess your right and in this case you are paying for a huge advertising company to sell a name.
Ever owned an Apple product?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: I do not own a single Apple product and I do not think I am missing out. There are cheaper alternatives.[/p][/quote]You get what you pay for.[/p][/quote]Lol. Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were being serious. Then again I guess your right and in this case you are paying for a huge advertising company to sell a name.[/p][/quote]Ever owned an Apple product? Georgem
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10:01am Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Shoong wrote:
Craig Powell, you are a sad goon.
Agreed. However much you like a product, it's still just a product.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Craig Powell, you are a sad goon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. However much you like a product, it's still just a product. Georgem
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10:15am Fri 21 Sep 12

wilson castaway says...

4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?
4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here? wilson castaway
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10:22am Fri 21 Sep 12

Just another reader says...

wilson castaway wrote:
4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?
Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas!
[quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: 4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?[/p][/quote]Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas! Just another reader
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10:24am Fri 21 Sep 12

Just another reader says...

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http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/district /southampton/9921833 .City_to_get_4G_mobi le_internet_by_Chris tmas/ Just another reader
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10:24am Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Just another reader wrote:
wilson castaway wrote:
4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?
Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas!
There's rumours Voda and o2 may try and block EE launching their 4G service. Either through the courts or by refusing to let them share their masts.
[quote][p][bold]Just another reader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: 4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?[/p][/quote]Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas![/p][/quote]There's rumours Voda and o2 may try and block EE launching their 4G service. Either through the courts or by refusing to let them share their masts. userds5050
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10:26am Fri 21 Sep 12

sotonwinch09 says...

I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep. sotonwinch09
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10:29am Fri 21 Sep 12

jojotgirl says...

My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e
xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol. jojotgirl
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10:32am Fri 21 Sep 12

Stillness says...

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e

xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
[quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego. Stillness
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10:33am Fri 21 Sep 12

suenami71 says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep suenami71
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10:34am Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e

xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
Your husband's one of the sensible ones. Why queue overnight if you can go first thing and pick one up
[quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]Your husband's one of the sensible ones. Why queue overnight if you can go first thing and pick one up userds5050
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10:41am Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
So Samsung don't advertise then? They both make good products and there isn't much difference in price. The iPhone 4 is just £319. Not sure why apple fans are sheep and Samsungs aren't.
[quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]So Samsung don't advertise then? They both make good products and there isn't much difference in price. The iPhone 4 is just £319. Not sure why apple fans are sheep and Samsungs aren't. userds5050
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10:41am Fri 21 Sep 12

jimbobbo says...

Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e


xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I don't understand. Why would you think a hard-working man who enjoys new technology has a big ego.

Do you think you have a big ego when you get up early to pick up your benefits cheque each week?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I don't understand. Why would you think a hard-working man who enjoys new technology has a big ego. Do you think you have a big ego when you get up early to pick up your benefits cheque each week? jimbobbo
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10:45am Fri 21 Sep 12

jojotgirl says...

suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh
eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol
[quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol jojotgirl
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10:47am Fri 21 Sep 12

Higginz says...

I have to admire their passion, even if it is for Apple products, to queue up for so long. It was probably quite a memorable event.
I have to admire their passion, even if it is for Apple products, to queue up for so long. It was probably quite a memorable event. Higginz
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10:58am Fri 21 Sep 12

St Retford says...

Just think: Al Qaeda persuaded people to fly planes into the world trade centre by promising them an afterlife with 200 virgins. They could have just joined a queue for an iPhone or a computer game and saved the world an awful lot of bother.
Just think: Al Qaeda persuaded people to fly planes into the world trade centre by promising them an afterlife with 200 virgins. They could have just joined a queue for an iPhone or a computer game and saved the world an awful lot of bother. St Retford
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10:59am Fri 21 Sep 12

Stillness says...

jojotgirl wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e



xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.
So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.
[quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.[/p][/quote]So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"? So yes, ego, a very fragile one. Stillness
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11:00am Fri 21 Sep 12

Stillness says...

jimbobbo wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e



xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I don't understand. Why would you think a hard-working man who enjoys new technology has a big ego.

Do you think you have a big ego when you get up early to pick up your benefits cheque each week?
You tell me.
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I don't understand. Why would you think a hard-working man who enjoys new technology has a big ego. Do you think you have a big ego when you get up early to pick up your benefits cheque each week?[/p][/quote]You tell me. Stillness
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11:01am Fri 21 Sep 12

Dasal says...

jimbobbo wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I don't understand. Why would you think a hard-working man who enjoys new technology has a big ego. Do you think you have a big ego when you get up early to pick up your benefits cheque each week?
Bit early in the morning for all this bitchiness, isn't it ?
CALM DOWN GIRLS............
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I don't understand. Why would you think a hard-working man who enjoys new technology has a big ego. Do you think you have a big ego when you get up early to pick up your benefits cheque each week?[/p][/quote]Bit early in the morning for all this bitchiness, isn't it ? CALM DOWN GIRLS............ Dasal
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11:02am Fri 21 Sep 12

Lockssmart says...

I got an eye pad. Now I can only see out of one eye.
I got an eye pad. Now I can only see out of one eye. Lockssmart
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11:03am Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

userds5050 wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
So Samsung don't advertise then? They both make good products and there isn't much difference in price. The iPhone 4 is just £319. Not sure why apple fans are sheep and Samsungs aren't.
How do you know someone doesn't like Apple products? They tell you.

Seriously, people make this massive deal about "Apple users are sheep" but people who don't like Apple are much more vocal and sheep-like. "I've looked at bits of paper about these two products, and the numbers are bigger on the one that says 'Android' so lol I'm going with that one!" Hmm yes perfectly rational behaviour. Meanwhile, I'm over here having chosen what I want based on usability, and getting on with my life.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]So Samsung don't advertise then? They both make good products and there isn't much difference in price. The iPhone 4 is just £319. Not sure why apple fans are sheep and Samsungs aren't.[/p][/quote]How do you know someone doesn't like Apple products? They tell you. Seriously, people make this massive deal about "Apple users are sheep" but people who don't like Apple are much more vocal and sheep-like. "I've looked at bits of paper about these two products, and the numbers are bigger on the one that says 'Android' so lol I'm going with that one!" Hmm yes perfectly rational behaviour. Meanwhile, I'm over here having chosen what I want based on usability, and getting on with my life. Georgem
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11:05am Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e




xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.
So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.
Yep. Ego. It is. Pure and simple. The iPhone they get by queueing is exactly the same as the one someone else gets a week or so from now in the post. So what was the point?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.[/p][/quote]So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"? So yes, ego, a very fragile one.[/p][/quote]Yep. Ego. It is. Pure and simple. The iPhone they get by queueing is exactly the same as the one someone else gets a week or so from now in the post. So what was the point? Georgem
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11:10am Fri 21 Sep 12

Ferngully says...

suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
Likewise, I have a galaxy s2. you can get apps for free as well as download free music whereas apple rip you off for both together with an over inflated price for their highly hyped products. Android is a far better o/s as well.
[quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]Likewise, I have a galaxy s2. you can get apps for free as well as download free music whereas apple rip you off for both together with an over inflated price for their highly hyped products. Android is a far better o/s as well. Ferngully
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11:10am Fri 21 Sep 12

MGRA says...

muppets...
muppets... MGRA
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11:11am Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e




xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.
So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.
I kind of agree. Not sure how much of the iPhone's success is down to conspicuous consumption. You still have to have a decent product. but is there really a massive difference between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4 apart from a slightly bigger screen?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.[/p][/quote]So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"? So yes, ego, a very fragile one.[/p][/quote]I kind of agree. Not sure how much of the iPhone's success is down to conspicuous consumption. You still have to have a decent product. but is there really a massive difference between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4 apart from a slightly bigger screen? userds5050
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11:12am Fri 21 Sep 12

Northamboy says...

My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera! Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere? Northamboy
  • Score: 0

11:16am Fri 21 Sep 12

Ferngully says...

Georgem wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e





xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.
So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.
Yep. Ego. It is. Pure and simple. The iPhone they get by queueing is exactly the same as the one someone else gets a week or so from now in the post. So what was the point?
The point is they don't get free cookies and drinks and high fives from apple staff ... so it must be worth it .... Not
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.[/p][/quote]So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"? So yes, ego, a very fragile one.[/p][/quote]Yep. Ego. It is. Pure and simple. The iPhone they get by queueing is exactly the same as the one someone else gets a week or so from now in the post. So what was the point?[/p][/quote]The point is they don't get free cookies and drinks and high fives from apple staff ... so it must be worth it .... Not Ferngully
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11:17am Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

userds5050 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e





xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.
So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.
I kind of agree. Not sure how much of the iPhone's success is down to conspicuous consumption. You still have to have a decent product. but is there really a massive difference between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4 apart from a slightly bigger screen?
The camera is quite a bit better now, too. I personally couldn't care less about that, but each to their own.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.[/p][/quote]So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"? So yes, ego, a very fragile one.[/p][/quote]I kind of agree. Not sure how much of the iPhone's success is down to conspicuous consumption. You still have to have a decent product. but is there really a massive difference between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4 apart from a slightly bigger screen?[/p][/quote]The camera is quite a bit better now, too. I personally couldn't care less about that, but each to their own. Georgem
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11:19am Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Ferngully wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
Likewise, I have a galaxy s2. you can get apps for free as well as download free music whereas apple rip you off for both together with an over inflated price for their highly hyped products. Android is a far better o/s as well.
Er, you can get apps for free on iPhone as well. And what's wrong with paying for music? Also, who do you think originally launched the app store?
[quote][p][bold]Ferngully[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]Likewise, I have a galaxy s2. you can get apps for free as well as download free music whereas apple rip you off for both together with an over inflated price for their highly hyped products. Android is a far better o/s as well.[/p][/quote]Er, you can get apps for free on iPhone as well. And what's wrong with paying for music? Also, who do you think originally launched the app store? userds5050
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11:20am Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?
Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera! Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?[/p][/quote]Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself. Georgem
  • Score: 0

11:22am Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ferngully wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e






xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.
So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.
Yep. Ego. It is. Pure and simple. The iPhone they get by queueing is exactly the same as the one someone else gets a week or so from now in the post. So what was the point?
The point is they don't get free cookies and drinks and high fives from apple staff ... so it must be worth it .... Not
Lol, that whole Apple culture thing makes me cringe. I like their products, but I don't need patronising by some idiot, sorry, 'genius' in a blue polo shirt. It's embarrassing to those of us who have genuine reasons for buying the products.
[quote][p][bold]Ferngully[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.[/p][/quote]So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"? So yes, ego, a very fragile one.[/p][/quote]Yep. Ego. It is. Pure and simple. The iPhone they get by queueing is exactly the same as the one someone else gets a week or so from now in the post. So what was the point?[/p][/quote]The point is they don't get free cookies and drinks and high fives from apple staff ... so it must be worth it .... Not[/p][/quote]Lol, that whole Apple culture thing makes me cringe. I like their products, but I don't need patronising by some idiot, sorry, 'genius' in a blue polo shirt. It's embarrassing to those of us who have genuine reasons for buying the products. Georgem
  • Score: 0

11:26am Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Georgem wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e






xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.
By "little self" I guess you mean ego.
I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.
So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"?
So yes, ego, a very fragile one.
I kind of agree. Not sure how much of the iPhone's success is down to conspicuous consumption. You still have to have a decent product. but is there really a massive difference between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4 apart from a slightly bigger screen?
The camera is quite a bit better now, too. I personally couldn't care less about that, but each to their own.
For sure. Having a larger screen though makes the iPhone 5 much more distinctive from the 4. You will always get the fanboys who must have the latest model. I personally don't like these phones with huge screens. There too small for full size web browsing and too big for mobile sites.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: My hubby's just been served and he only left home at 7am......same time as for work. People like what they like and he can afford it (through hard work - thanks very much!) and if it keeps his little self happy who are other to call him sad................e xcept me.......I do like a good wind up! lol.[/p][/quote]By "little self" I guess you mean ego.[/p][/quote]I most certainly do not mean ego. As if a phone boosts someones ego!?!? Probably the complete opposite.....more geeky to queue than egotistical. Twit.[/p][/quote]So why do people queue for hours then? Due to having common sense or to say "look at me, look what I've got and you haven't"? So yes, ego, a very fragile one.[/p][/quote]I kind of agree. Not sure how much of the iPhone's success is down to conspicuous consumption. You still have to have a decent product. but is there really a massive difference between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4 apart from a slightly bigger screen?[/p][/quote]The camera is quite a bit better now, too. I personally couldn't care less about that, but each to their own.[/p][/quote]For sure. Having a larger screen though makes the iPhone 5 much more distinctive from the 4. You will always get the fanboys who must have the latest model. I personally don't like these phones with huge screens. There too small for full size web browsing and too big for mobile sites. userds5050
  • Score: 0

11:32am Fri 21 Sep 12

jimbobbo says...

Georgem wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?
Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.
Agreed.

Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby?

What is your advice here?

I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides?

It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera! Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?[/p][/quote]Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby? What is your advice here? I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides? It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier. jimbobbo
  • Score: 0

11:34am Fri 21 Sep 12

Ferngully says...

Apple have dumped google maps on the iphone 5 in favour of an apple map app but it instantly faced a barrage of criticism from users who complained about missing towns, misplaced villages, satellite images covered by cloud, incorrect searches and even a farm identified as an airport.

As the iPhone 5 launches, along with the new iOS software, many more errors are likely to come to light over the next few weeks.
Apple have dumped google maps on the iphone 5 in favour of an apple map app but it instantly faced a barrage of criticism from users who complained about missing towns, misplaced villages, satellite images covered by cloud, incorrect searches and even a farm identified as an airport. As the iPhone 5 launches, along with the new iOS software, many more errors are likely to come to light over the next few weeks. Ferngully
  • Score: 0

11:39am Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ferngully wrote:
Apple have dumped google maps on the iphone 5 in favour of an apple map app but it instantly faced a barrage of criticism from users who complained about missing towns, misplaced villages, satellite images covered by cloud, incorrect searches and even a farm identified as an airport.

As the iPhone 5 launches, along with the new iOS software, many more errors are likely to come to light over the next few weeks.
Other way round. Google have ceased their licensing of Google maps on the iPhone. Google are behind the decision, not Apple. The Maps app on iOS 6 is using TomTom and Yelp data, rather than Google data. Anything that's missing from the maps, is down to that.

Google are apparently working on their own iOS maps app.
[quote][p][bold]Ferngully[/bold] wrote: Apple have dumped google maps on the iphone 5 in favour of an apple map app but it instantly faced a barrage of criticism from users who complained about missing towns, misplaced villages, satellite images covered by cloud, incorrect searches and even a farm identified as an airport. As the iPhone 5 launches, along with the new iOS software, many more errors are likely to come to light over the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]Other way round. Google have ceased their licensing of Google maps on the iPhone. Google are behind the decision, not Apple. The Maps app on iOS 6 is using TomTom and Yelp data, rather than Google data. Anything that's missing from the maps, is down to that. Google are apparently working on their own iOS maps app. Georgem
  • Score: 0

11:48am Fri 21 Sep 12

saintjak says...

it's almost like they are brainwashed

i-Qaeda

haha
it's almost like they are brainwashed i-Qaeda haha saintjak
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11:55am Fri 21 Sep 12

Parallax33 says...

I have an extra one delivered this morning. Anyone in that queue want me to bring it down so you can go home early?
I have an extra one delivered this morning. Anyone in that queue want me to bring it down so you can go home early? Parallax33
  • Score: 0

11:57am Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Ferngully wrote:
Apple have dumped google maps on the iphone 5 in favour of an apple map app but it instantly faced a barrage of criticism from users who complained about missing towns, misplaced villages, satellite images covered by cloud, incorrect searches and even a farm identified as an airport.

As the iPhone 5 launches, along with the new iOS software, many more errors are likely to come to light over the next few weeks.
All new software has bugs that need ironing out. Like Georgem says Google will roll out their new map app soon and apple will improve the pre installed one. I actually think the new OS is a vast improvement apart a couple of issues.
[quote][p][bold]Ferngully[/bold] wrote: Apple have dumped google maps on the iphone 5 in favour of an apple map app but it instantly faced a barrage of criticism from users who complained about missing towns, misplaced villages, satellite images covered by cloud, incorrect searches and even a farm identified as an airport. As the iPhone 5 launches, along with the new iOS software, many more errors are likely to come to light over the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]All new software has bugs that need ironing out. Like Georgem says Google will roll out their new map app soon and apple will improve the pre installed one. I actually think the new OS is a vast improvement apart a couple of issues. userds5050
  • Score: 0

12:13pm Fri 21 Sep 12

wilson castaway says...

Just another reader wrote:
wilson castaway wrote:
4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?
Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas!
Yes I read that but also saw the 'Apple guy' on tv stating 4g is likely to only be available in USA.
[quote][p][bold]Just another reader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: 4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?[/p][/quote]Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas![/p][/quote]Yes I read that but also saw the 'Apple guy' on tv stating 4g is likely to only be available in USA. wilson castaway
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Apple said at the iPhone 5 launch last week 4G will be available in the UK on the EE network. It's also up on their website. I wouldn't trust anything the numptys in blue polo shirts say.
Apple said at the iPhone 5 launch last week 4G will be available in the UK on the EE network. It's also up on their website. I wouldn't trust anything the numptys in blue polo shirts say. userds5050
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

wilson castaway wrote:
Just another reader wrote:
wilson castaway wrote:
4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?
Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas!
Yes I read that but also saw the 'Apple guy' on tv stating 4g is likely to only be available in USA.
Who's more likely to be right about phone services in the UK? An employee of a manufacturer based in the US? Or a cellular network provider that's planning on launching 4G in the UK?
[quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just another reader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: 4g mobile broadband.. that we may not even get here?[/p][/quote]Um, there was a big new story last week on this website stating Southampton will be amongst the first to get 4g, this side of Christmas![/p][/quote]Yes I read that but also saw the 'Apple guy' on tv stating 4g is likely to only be available in USA.[/p][/quote]Who's more likely to be right about phone services in the UK? An employee of a manufacturer based in the US? Or a cellular network provider that's planning on launching 4G in the UK? Georgem
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Stillness says...

jimbobbo wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?
Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.
Agreed.

Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby?

What is your advice here?

I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides?

It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.
Do you have an app to work out the 700 times easier bit? Is my life 700 times harder without one?
No it's not.
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera! Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?[/p][/quote]Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby? What is your advice here? I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides? It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.[/p][/quote]Do you have an app to work out the 700 times easier bit? Is my life 700 times harder without one? No it's not. Stillness
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Fri 21 Sep 12

jimbobbo says...

Stillness wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?
Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.
Agreed.

Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby?

What is your advice here?

I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides?

It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.
Do you have an app to work out the 700 times easier bit? Is my life 700 times harder without one?
No it's not.
That's because you're simple.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera! Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?[/p][/quote]Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby? What is your advice here? I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides? It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.[/p][/quote]Do you have an app to work out the 700 times easier bit? Is my life 700 times harder without one? No it's not.[/p][/quote]That's because you're simple. jimbobbo
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12:38pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Stillness says...

jimbobbo wrote:
Stillness wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera!

Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?
Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.
Agreed.

Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby?

What is your advice here?

I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides?

It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.
Do you have an app to work out the 700 times easier bit? Is my life 700 times harder without one?
No it's not.
That's because you're simple.
Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment.
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera! Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?[/p][/quote]Meh. It's not really a fair comparison. Smartphones aren't really phones, they're handheld computers that also happen to make phone calls. If that doesn't interest you, fair enough, but resisting them just because "why would I want to do that with a phone?" is short-changing yourself.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Another side to the debate is that I pay £50 per month for my business mobile (because I get unlimited minutes for this price), so shall I upgrade to an iPhone 5 for no cost, or shall I choose your £19.99 'sends texts and makes calls' jobby? What is your advice here? I'd find the GPS function pretty useful on the iPhone, not to mention the Natwest banking app that allows me to send money to my suppliers instantly. Oh, and then there's the fact that it syncs seamlessly with Microsoft Exchange to show me my daily diary and to-do list. And did I mention that i could also use it as a distance tracker for my runs and bike rides? It's horses for courses my friend. I'd pay for the iPhone5 even if it wasn't free. And why? Because it makes my life 700 times easier.[/p][/quote]Do you have an app to work out the 700 times easier bit? Is my life 700 times harder without one? No it's not.[/p][/quote]That's because you're simple.[/p][/quote]Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment. Stillness
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12:41pm Fri 21 Sep 12

ecuk268 says...

Lockssmart wrote:
I got an eye pad. Now I can only see out of one eye.
I've got 2 Apple trees in my garden
[quote][p][bold]Lockssmart[/bold] wrote: I got an eye pad. Now I can only see out of one eye.[/p][/quote]I've got 2 Apple trees in my garden ecuk268
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12:48pm Fri 21 Sep 12

cityboy74 says...

Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of.... cityboy74
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1:01pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Stillness says...

cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
[quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you? Stillness
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1:10pm Fri 21 Sep 12

cityboy74 says...

Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha, I cant even be bothered with you..... cityboy74
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1:15pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Stillness says...

cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....
So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)
[quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha, I cant even be bothered with you.....[/p][/quote]So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-) Stillness
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1:23pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Any time someone expresses a liking for an Apple product, people feel obliged to leap out of the woodwork and tell them how stupid they are. Remind me who the sheep are, again?
Any time someone expresses a liking for an Apple product, people feel obliged to leap out of the woodwork and tell them how stupid they are. Remind me who the sheep are, again? Georgem
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1:30pm Fri 21 Sep 12

cityboy74 says...

Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....
So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)
Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha, I cant even be bothered with you.....[/p][/quote]So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)[/p][/quote]Yawn , Very Droll im sure. Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?) If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case. In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum. oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response. - Im busy queuing for my iphone, cityboy74
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1:31pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Lockssmart says...

So people just post items to make others bite the bait. Lol
So people just post items to make others bite the bait. Lol Lockssmart
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1:33pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Lockssmart wrote:
So people just post items to make others bite the bait. Lol
Welcome to the Internet!
[quote][p][bold]Lockssmart[/bold] wrote: So people just post items to make others bite the bait. Lol[/p][/quote]Welcome to the Internet! Georgem
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1:34pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Lockssmart wrote:
You could put an Apple label on a dog turd and these people would queue up for it.
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[quote][p][bold]Lockssmart[/bold] wrote: You could put an Apple label on a dog turd and these people would queue up for it.[/p][/quote]http://www.thelastgo ddess.com/wordpress/ wp-content/uploads/2 011/11/Apple-iTurd.j pg Georgem
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1:36pm Fri 21 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

I wouldn't mind betting that the vast majority of people who have bought this phone don't actually need it, and, of those that feel they do, again the vast majority will not have used most of the features by this time next year.

But so what ? After several years of recession, and the worst summer for 100 years, it's good to see people have still got some spirit in them to get excited about something, even if it is just a luxury phone.

We British are always getting excited about things that don't really matter in the great scheme of things. We want cars, bikes, computers, TV's, guitars, houses, clothes, and a thousand and one other things, all with specifications far greater than we'll ever need. We like to feel we're experts with a nose for quality, even if it is only what the salesman has persuaded us to believe. We're hunters, gatherers, collectors. We love the the quest to possess. We want the Holy Grail, especially if it's on special offer this week only. We'll even queue for days to get an over-priced ticket to see a pop group give the worst performance of their lives, but "I was there!"

People aren't "sad" just because they want something to brighten their day ! Enjoy your phones, and ignore the cynics.
I wouldn't mind betting that the vast majority of people who have bought this phone don't actually need it, and, of those that feel they do, again the vast majority will not have used most of the features by this time next year. But so what ? After several years of recession, and the worst summer for 100 years, it's good to see people have still got some spirit in them to get excited about something, even if it is just a luxury phone. We British are always getting excited about things that don't really matter in the great scheme of things. We want cars, bikes, computers, TV's, guitars, houses, clothes, and a thousand and one other things, all with specifications far greater than we'll ever need. We like to feel we're experts with a nose for quality, even if it is only what the salesman has persuaded us to believe. We're hunters, gatherers, collectors. We love the the quest to possess. We want the Holy Grail, especially if it's on special offer this week only. We'll even queue for days to get an over-priced ticket to see a pop group give the worst performance of their lives, but "I was there!" People aren't "sad" just because they want something to brighten their day ! Enjoy your phones, and ignore the cynics. BillyTheKid
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1:47pm Fri 21 Sep 12

cityboy74 says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
I wouldn't mind betting that the vast majority of people who have bought this phone don't actually need it, and, of those that feel they do, again the vast majority will not have used most of the features by this time next year.

But so what ? After several years of recession, and the worst summer for 100 years, it's good to see people have still got some spirit in them to get excited about something, even if it is just a luxury phone.

We British are always getting excited about things that don't really matter in the great scheme of things. We want cars, bikes, computers, TV's, guitars, houses, clothes, and a thousand and one other things, all with specifications far greater than we'll ever need. We like to feel we're experts with a nose for quality, even if it is only what the salesman has persuaded us to believe. We're hunters, gatherers, collectors. We love the the quest to possess. We want the Holy Grail, especially if it's on special offer this week only. We'll even queue for days to get an over-priced ticket to see a pop group give the worst performance of their lives, but "I was there!"

People aren't "sad" just because they want something to brighten their day ! Enjoy your phones, and ignore the cynics.
Here ! Here ! Well done that man.

It is true some people really have lost the inner child of excitement when getting something new, Like Christmas for example when you couldn't sleep in anticipation and excitement of the gifts waiting for you under the tree.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't mind betting that the vast majority of people who have bought this phone don't actually need it, and, of those that feel they do, again the vast majority will not have used most of the features by this time next year. But so what ? After several years of recession, and the worst summer for 100 years, it's good to see people have still got some spirit in them to get excited about something, even if it is just a luxury phone. We British are always getting excited about things that don't really matter in the great scheme of things. We want cars, bikes, computers, TV's, guitars, houses, clothes, and a thousand and one other things, all with specifications far greater than we'll ever need. We like to feel we're experts with a nose for quality, even if it is only what the salesman has persuaded us to believe. We're hunters, gatherers, collectors. We love the the quest to possess. We want the Holy Grail, especially if it's on special offer this week only. We'll even queue for days to get an over-priced ticket to see a pop group give the worst performance of their lives, but "I was there!" People aren't "sad" just because they want something to brighten their day ! Enjoy your phones, and ignore the cynics.[/p][/quote]Here ! Here ! Well done that man. It is true some people really have lost the inner child of excitement when getting something new, Like Christmas for example when you couldn't sleep in anticipation and excitement of the gifts waiting for you under the tree. cityboy74
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1:52pm Fri 21 Sep 12

S!monOn says...

Georgem wrote:
Any time someone expresses a liking for an Apple product, people feel obliged to leap out of the woodwork and tell them how stupid they are. Remind me who the sheep are, again?
They're the four legged animals in the field over there ---------->
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: Any time someone expresses a liking for an Apple product, people feel obliged to leap out of the woodwork and tell them how stupid they are. Remind me who the sheep are, again?[/p][/quote]They're the four legged animals in the field over there ----------> S!monOn
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1:54pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

S!monOn wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Any time someone expresses a liking for an Apple product, people feel obliged to leap out of the woodwork and tell them how stupid they are. Remind me who the sheep are, again?
They're the four legged animals in the field over there ---------->
Thanks mate, I'm starving. BRB, lamb chops.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: Any time someone expresses a liking for an Apple product, people feel obliged to leap out of the woodwork and tell them how stupid they are. Remind me who the sheep are, again?[/p][/quote]They're the four legged animals in the field over there ---------->[/p][/quote]Thanks mate, I'm starving. BRB, lamb chops. Georgem
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1:54pm Fri 21 Sep 12

S!monOn says...

Northamboy wrote:
My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera! Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?
Coming from Northam.. you'll prolly mug some poor sod of their brand spanking new iphone 5 and get caught... so you'll spend a week away in a cell lol ;)
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: My phone cost £19.99 on pay as you go and it makes calls, sends texts, connects through Bluetooth to the car and has a camera! Should I upgrade to a £500 phone or have a week away somewhere?[/p][/quote]Coming from Northam.. you'll prolly mug some poor sod of their brand spanking new iphone 5 and get caught... so you'll spend a week away in a cell lol ;) S!monOn
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3:24pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Linesman says...

There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession. Linesman
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3:43pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.
Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.[/p][/quote]Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute. Georgem
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3:52pm Fri 21 Sep 12

rich the stitch says...

bernard7 wrote:
Here's a good caption they should have used for that photo: "Craig powell now owns an iphone 5, he also has a very strong right hand"
Or "Craig Powell (single) who was the first in line for the new iphone"
[quote][p][bold]bernard7[/bold] wrote: Here's a good caption they should have used for that photo: "Craig powell now owns an iphone 5, he also has a very strong right hand"[/p][/quote]Or "Craig Powell (single) who was the first in line for the new iphone" rich the stitch
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4:43pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Shoong says...

rich the stitch wrote:
bernard7 wrote:
Here's a good caption they should have used for that photo: "Craig powell now owns an iphone 5, he also has a very strong right hand"
Or "Craig Powell (single) who was the first in line for the new iphone"
I would have gone for

'Smug looking man-child cherub smiles at temporary high gained from his new toy'.

There's drugs for that, and a lot cheaper I suspect.
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bernard7[/bold] wrote: Here's a good caption they should have used for that photo: "Craig powell now owns an iphone 5, he also has a very strong right hand"[/p][/quote]Or "Craig Powell (single) who was the first in line for the new iphone"[/p][/quote]I would have gone for 'Smug looking man-child cherub smiles at temporary high gained from his new toy'. There's drugs for that, and a lot cheaper I suspect. Shoong
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4:44pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.
No mention of Afghanistan here, a first perhaps.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.[/p][/quote]No mention of Afghanistan here, a first perhaps. Shoong
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5:18pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Dasal says...

Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.
No mention of Afghanistan here, a first perhaps.
...................o
r the nazi.s !!!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.[/p][/quote]No mention of Afghanistan here, a first perhaps.[/p][/quote]...................o r the nazi.s !!! Dasal
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5:19pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Dasal says...

Dasal wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.
No mention of Afghanistan here, a first perhaps.
...................o r the nazi.s !!!
Oh shxt
Just proved that theory again.............
[quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.[/p][/quote]No mention of Afghanistan here, a first perhaps.[/p][/quote]...................o r the nazi.s !!![/p][/quote]Oh shxt Just proved that theory again............. Dasal
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5:25pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Timsey says...

How Sad.
How Sad. Timsey
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5:42pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....
So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)
Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,
Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?
I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha, I cant even be bothered with you.....[/p][/quote]So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)[/p][/quote]Yawn , Very Droll im sure. Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?) If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case. In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum. oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response. - Im busy queuing for my iphone,[/p][/quote]Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"? Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier? Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one. Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?[/p][/quote]I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol. Stillness
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6:32pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Stillness wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....
So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)
Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,
Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?
I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.
Did you get the old pop up "your posts are upsetting people" thing? Think that's automatically triggered if you get a certain number of reports within a specific period.

Yeh guess some people are a little sensitive about their choice in phone!
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha, I cant even be bothered with you.....[/p][/quote]So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)[/p][/quote]Yawn , Very Droll im sure. Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?) If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case. In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum. oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response. - Im busy queuing for my iphone,[/p][/quote]Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"? Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier? Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one. Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?[/p][/quote]I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.[/p][/quote]Did you get the old pop up "your posts are upsetting people" thing? Think that's automatically triggered if you get a certain number of reports within a specific period. Yeh guess some people are a little sensitive about their choice in phone! Georgem
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6:45pm Fri 21 Sep 12

scilence says...

I would think that Stillness we see it as an award of some kind ;-)
I would think that Stillness we see it as an award of some kind ;-) scilence
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6:52pm Fri 21 Sep 12

miltonarcher says...

Queuing for hours to be first? Brain dead idiots. Get a life for pities sake.
Queuing for hours to be first? Brain dead idiots. Get a life for pities sake. miltonarcher
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7:22pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Linesman says...

Georgem wrote:
Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.
Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.
Your right. Some are Bankers and many more belong to the W fraternity.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.[/p][/quote]Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.[/p][/quote]Your right. Some are Bankers and many more belong to the W fraternity. Linesman
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8:22pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

Had a difficult decision to make, whether to queue to spend enough money to buy over 100 pints of beer or go to the pub. Think I made the right decision, hic.
Had a difficult decision to make, whether to queue to spend enough money to buy over 100 pints of beer or go to the pub. Think I made the right decision, hic. Inform Al
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8:33pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

jojotgirl wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh

eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol
Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.
[quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol[/p][/quote]Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation. Ginger_cyclist
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9:07pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....
So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)
Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,
I could get the XPERIA S for a fraction of the price, it has a bigger screen, NFC, flash support, expandable memory, better cameras, better battery life and it looks better, plus it could do so much more than the Iphone, the only thing it hasn't got is 4G but then, until the whole country is able to access 4G connectivity, it's pointless to pay for something that you won't use much before you have to replace it.
Baa, baa.
[quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha, I cant even be bothered with you.....[/p][/quote]So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)[/p][/quote]Yawn , Very Droll im sure. Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?) If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case. In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum. oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response. - Im busy queuing for my iphone,[/p][/quote]I could get the XPERIA S for a fraction of the price, it has a bigger screen, NFC, flash support, expandable memory, better cameras, better battery life and it looks better, plus it could do so much more than the Iphone, the only thing it hasn't got is 4G but then, until the whole country is able to access 4G connectivity, it's pointless to pay for something that you won't use much before you have to replace it. Baa, baa. Ginger_cyclist
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9:23pm Fri 21 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh


eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol
Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.
Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol[/p][/quote]Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.[/p][/quote]Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again? userds5050
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10:21pm Fri 21 Sep 12

bianca powell x says...

just thought i would comment as craig powells sister i think all of you who are jealous are **** saying my brother is this and that i bet you are a poor council estate family with not a pot to **** in so get of your arses you lazy benefit scrounging **** and get real............ just because he was 1st in line got the first iphone 5 and was on the front page of the iphone soooo hahahahahahaha shame on you losers !!!!!!!!!!!
just thought i would comment as craig powells sister i think all of you who are jealous are **** saying my brother is this and that i bet you are a poor council estate family with not a pot to **** in so get of your arses you lazy benefit scrounging **** and get real............ just because he was 1st in line got the first iphone 5 and was on the front page of the iphone soooo hahahahahahaha shame on you losers !!!!!!!!!!! bianca powell x
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10:24pm Fri 21 Sep 12

bianca powell x says...

bianca powell x wrote:
just thought i would comment as craig powells sister i think all of you who are jealous are **** saying my brother is this and that i bet you are a poor council estate family with not a pot to **** in so get of your arses you lazy benefit scrounging **** and get real............ just because he was 1st in line got the first iphone 5 and was on the front page of the iphone soooo hahahahahahaha shame on you losers !!!!!!!!!!!
he works hard for his money unlike some hahaha he was on the front page of the newspaper......... so shame fame and fortune well gel i bet !!!!!!! i best be nice may be some of your old relatives in his nursing home
[quote][p][bold]bianca powell x[/bold] wrote: just thought i would comment as craig powells sister i think all of you who are jealous are **** saying my brother is this and that i bet you are a poor council estate family with not a pot to **** in so get of your arses you lazy benefit scrounging **** and get real............ just because he was 1st in line got the first iphone 5 and was on the front page of the iphone soooo hahahahahahaha shame on you losers !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]he works hard for his money unlike some hahaha he was on the front page of the newspaper......... so shame fame and fortune well gel i bet !!!!!!! i best be nice may be some of your old relatives in his nursing home bianca powell x
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10:42pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Peg 85 says...

Hi, I'm Craig Powell.

I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend.
Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters!
Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.
Hi, I'm Craig Powell. I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend. Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters! Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5. Peg 85
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11:17pm Fri 21 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Peg 85 wrote:
Hi, I'm Craig Powell.

I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend.
Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters!
Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.
Is English your first language ?

If it is, you might want to consider upgrading THAT as well.
[quote][p][bold]Peg 85[/bold] wrote: Hi, I'm Craig Powell. I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend. Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters! Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.[/p][/quote]Is English your first language ? If it is, you might want to consider upgrading THAT as well. BillyTheKid
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11:26pm Fri 21 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Stillness wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....
So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)
Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,
Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?
I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.
Perhaps they are on to you at last, Stillness. Sometimes it's a long time coming, but justice will find you eventually.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha, I cant even be bothered with you.....[/p][/quote]So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)[/p][/quote]Yawn , Very Droll im sure. Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?) If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case. In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum. oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response. - Im busy queuing for my iphone,[/p][/quote]Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"? Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier? Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one. Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?[/p][/quote]I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.[/p][/quote]Perhaps they are on to you at last, Stillness. Sometimes it's a long time coming, but justice will find you eventually. BillyTheKid
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1:24am Sat 22 Sep 12

Stillness says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....
So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)
Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,
Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?
I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.
Perhaps they are on to you at last, Stillness. Sometimes it's a long time coming, but justice will find you eventually.
Sounds like you are trying to guess my future by basing it on your past Willy. But then you've always enjoyed talking about yourself haven't you?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha, I cant even be bothered with you.....[/p][/quote]So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)[/p][/quote]Yawn , Very Droll im sure. Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?) If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case. In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum. oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response. - Im busy queuing for my iphone,[/p][/quote]Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"? Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier? Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one. Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?[/p][/quote]I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.[/p][/quote]Perhaps they are on to you at last, Stillness. Sometimes it's a long time coming, but justice will find you eventually.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you are trying to guess my future by basing it on your past Willy. But then you've always enjoyed talking about yourself haven't you? Stillness
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1:27am Sat 22 Sep 12

scilence says...

Stillness wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Stillness wrote:
cityboy74 wrote:
Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....
Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?
Ha Ha Ha,

I cant even be bothered with you.....
So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)
Yawn , Very Droll im sure.
Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?)

If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case.

In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum.

oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response.

- Im busy queuing for my iphone,
Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"?
Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier?
Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one.
Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?
I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.
Perhaps they are on to you at last, Stillness. Sometimes it's a long time coming, but justice will find you eventually.
Sounds like you are trying to guess my future by basing it on your past Willy. But then you've always enjoyed talking about yourself haven't you?
Report him again Billy. I would.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cityboy74[/bold] wrote: Same old Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! from people on here, I think most on here would manage to have an argument in a room on your own! This is the standard age old argument , VHS or Betamax / CD or MiniDisc / Sony Playstation or Xbox, Apple or Samsung, Consider the possibility of this, some people buy products because they like how a specific product works, I have used samsung and apple Iphone , I preffered the Iphone, not through advertising or misplaced loyalty, I just personally found it worked for me.....no i am not a sheep, I dont buy anything I dont like, price is never the issue , end of....[/p][/quote]Should that not be Baa, baa baa? Ewe should know better than to try and ram you point home like that on here. Personally I think Apple are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes and they should Collie well know better. Their customers are being fleeced and just tag along like lambs being lead to slaughter. I think if you have a (Bo) Peep at the specification of the Iphone 5 there is very little difference to the HTC Sensation that I use. Even if I'm wrong I wont be blue or have a need to blow my own horn. Now just let sleeping sheep dogs lie will you?[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Ha, I cant even be bothered with you.....[/p][/quote]So why did you? Just wondering. I guess the "boy" part in your name is quite telling ;-)[/p][/quote]Yawn , Very Droll im sure. Its called giving an opinion. (all this over someones choice of phone really?) If you look at my original post about people who manage to have an argument in a room on there own, guess what !! its you , proved my point , I rest my case. In reference to the Cityboy title, is the "boy" insult the best you could do ,- the fact you highlighted this may mean that you actually suffer a form of inferiority complex yourself. which is why you are trying to provoke an argument in anonymous forum. oh, You shouldn't bother trying to argue this point, because I wont be wasting anymore time furnishing you with a response. - Im busy queuing for my iphone,[/p][/quote]Is it truly possible to be "busy queuing"? Is this an example of how your phone has made your life 700 times easier? Tell you what boy, you can keep your easier life. I think I prefer my harder one. Oh. I've just wasted my time because you are too busy queuing to waste any more of your time with me. Looks like you manage to waste a lot of your time. I wonder what that makes you?[/p][/quote]I wonder if this the post I got reported to the echo moderators for. I guess things are even more fragile than I first thought lol.[/p][/quote]Perhaps they are on to you at last, Stillness. Sometimes it's a long time coming, but justice will find you eventually.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you are trying to guess my future by basing it on your past Willy. But then you've always enjoyed talking about yourself haven't you?[/p][/quote]Report him again Billy. I would. scilence
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8:51am Sat 22 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home. userds5050
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11:32am Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh



eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol
Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.
Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?
Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol[/p][/quote]Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.[/p][/quote]Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?[/p][/quote]Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid. Ginger_cyclist
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11:36am Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Peg 85 wrote:
Hi, I'm Craig Powell.

I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend.
Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters!
Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.
The iphone is just a stupid ipod touch with a mobile phone antenna squeezed in before they double the price, at least android powered devices were MADE for purpose, not adapted from some other piece of junk the companies make.
[quote][p][bold]Peg 85[/bold] wrote: Hi, I'm Craig Powell. I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend. Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters! Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.[/p][/quote]The iphone is just a stupid ipod touch with a mobile phone antenna squeezed in before they double the price, at least android powered devices were MADE for purpose, not adapted from some other piece of junk the companies make. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

11:40am Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Sat 22 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich. userds5050
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

scilence says...

userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
Personally it's always been my favorite sandwich. My dear old mum gave me my first one in 1962, bless her cotton socks.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]Personally it's always been my favorite sandwich. My dear old mum gave me my first one in 1962, bless her cotton socks. scilence
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.
Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.
Your right. Some are Bankers and many more belong to the W fraternity.
I see. So we are now all either zillionaires, or paupers. Nothing in between.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.[/p][/quote]Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.[/p][/quote]Your right. Some are Bankers and many more belong to the W fraternity.[/p][/quote]I see. So we are now all either zillionaires, or paupers. Nothing in between. Georgem
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Georgem wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Linesman wrote:
There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.
Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.
Your right. Some are Bankers and many more belong to the W fraternity.
I see. So we are now all either zillionaires, or paupers. Nothing in between.
No. But give it a few years and maybe. But it doesn't really matter. Nothing does. It's only a dream lol.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: There must be plenty of money about despite the double-dip recession.[/p][/quote]Of course there is. Not everyone's destitute.[/p][/quote]Your right. Some are Bankers and many more belong to the W fraternity.[/p][/quote]I see. So we are now all either zillionaires, or paupers. Nothing in between.[/p][/quote]No. But give it a few years and maybe. But it doesn't really matter. Nothing does. It's only a dream lol. Stillness
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2:18pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Peg 85 wrote:
Hi, I'm Craig Powell.

I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend.
Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters!
Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.
The iphone is just a stupid ipod touch with a mobile phone antenna squeezed in before they double the price, at least android powered devices were MADE for purpose, not adapted from some other piece of junk the companies make.
Bully for you. You bought a competing product. Quite why you feel the need to slag of anyone who makes a different choice is beyond me.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peg 85[/bold] wrote: Hi, I'm Craig Powell. I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend. Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters! Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.[/p][/quote]The iphone is just a stupid ipod touch with a mobile phone antenna squeezed in before they double the price, at least android powered devices were MADE for purpose, not adapted from some other piece of junk the companies make.[/p][/quote]Bully for you. You bought a competing product. Quite why you feel the need to slag of anyone who makes a different choice is beyond me. Georgem
  • Score: 0

2:25pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh




eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol
Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.
Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?
Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.
Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking.

Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol[/p][/quote]Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.[/p][/quote]Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?[/p][/quote]Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.[/p][/quote]Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking. Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry. Georgem
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4:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi. Ginger_cyclist
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4:45pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh





eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol
Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.
Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?
Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.
Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking.

Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.
I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol[/p][/quote]Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.[/p][/quote]Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?[/p][/quote]Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.[/p][/quote]Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking. Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that. Ginger_cyclist
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4:46pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Peg 85 wrote:
Hi, I'm Craig Powell.

I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend.
Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters!
Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.
The iphone is just a stupid ipod touch with a mobile phone antenna squeezed in before they double the price, at least android powered devices were MADE for purpose, not adapted from some other piece of junk the companies make.
Bully for you. You bought a competing product. Quite why you feel the need to slag of anyone who makes a different choice is beyond me.
I wasn't slagging anyone off, I was slagging the device and it's manufacturer off, bit of a difference there don't you think?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peg 85[/bold] wrote: Hi, I'm Craig Powell. I can't work out what all the jealous people that have a problem with people like me queuing! They wish they had £700 to spend. Apple do the best products full stop. So stop slagging me off. Laters! Ps: I'm loving this iPhone 5.[/p][/quote]The iphone is just a stupid ipod touch with a mobile phone antenna squeezed in before they double the price, at least android powered devices were MADE for purpose, not adapted from some other piece of junk the companies make.[/p][/quote]Bully for you. You bought a competing product. Quite why you feel the need to slag of anyone who makes a different choice is beyond me.[/p][/quote]I wasn't slagging anyone off, I was slagging the device and it's manufacturer off, bit of a difference there don't you think? Ginger_cyclist
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5:07pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh






eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol
Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.
Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?
Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.
Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking.

Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.
I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.
Open source software has nothing whatsoever to do with "end user feedback", and you know nothing about software development lifecycles beyond what you read in an article aimed at laymen. I have forgotten more about software than you will ever know.

Oops, did I bring over a decade of software engineering experience into the equation? Sorry.

> Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released?

Lame. The iPhone 5 isn't the first iPhone. The biggest clue to this is the number '5'
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol[/p][/quote]Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.[/p][/quote]Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?[/p][/quote]Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.[/p][/quote]Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking. Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.[/p][/quote]Open source software has nothing whatsoever to do with "end user feedback", and you know nothing about software development lifecycles beyond what you read in an article aimed at laymen. I have forgotten more about software than you will ever know. Oops, did I bring over a decade of software engineering experience into the equation? Sorry. > Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Lame. The iPhone 5 isn't the first iPhone. The biggest clue to this is the number '5' Georgem
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5:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.[/p][/quote]Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on. Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect. Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh. Georgem
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5:27pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Is bored now lol.
Is bored now lol. Stillness
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5:34pm Sat 22 Sep 12

100%HANTSBOY says...

I watch the lads at work playing with their iphones all day and wasting company time and money...the one thing I've noticed though,is that when it comes to using it as a phone,it's completely sh1t.
What is retina display,is that a fancy term for screen?
I watch the lads at work playing with their iphones all day and wasting company time and money...the one thing I've noticed though,is that when it comes to using it as a phone,it's completely sh1t. What is retina display,is that a fancy term for screen? 100%HANTSBOY
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6:05pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh







eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol
Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.
Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?
Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.
Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking.

Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.
I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.
Open source software has nothing whatsoever to do with "end user feedback", and you know nothing about software development lifecycles beyond what you read in an article aimed at laymen. I have forgotten more about software than you will ever know.

Oops, did I bring over a decade of software engineering experience into the equation? Sorry.

> Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released?

Lame. The iPhone 5 isn't the first iPhone. The biggest clue to this is the number '5'
Actually everything I know about hardware and software is what my dad has taught me and he has been working with computers and learning about them since long before the internet was invented and open source has everything to do with end user feedback, mozilla firefox is an open source web browser that relies on user feedback and feedback from alpha and beta testers and i may not know everything about software development cycles but I know enough and you don't say, the iphone 5 really wasn't the first iphone? Did I even mention that it was? Also in a different quote I actually refer to the first iphone which was the only model to feature gorilla glass, each model afterwards hasn't featured gorilla glass but as I was saying, because android is open source, it can have bugs fixed through google reading through user feedback reports and are then able to start on a update or patch to fix the bug ASAP whereas the IOS only gets updated with each new handset but to use the new IOS version you have to buy the new handset, on more recent android phones, you can upgrade from the old OS on the same phone to a newer OS version for the specific handset for free.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol[/p][/quote]Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.[/p][/quote]Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?[/p][/quote]Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.[/p][/quote]Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking. Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.[/p][/quote]Open source software has nothing whatsoever to do with "end user feedback", and you know nothing about software development lifecycles beyond what you read in an article aimed at laymen. I have forgotten more about software than you will ever know. Oops, did I bring over a decade of software engineering experience into the equation? Sorry. > Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Lame. The iPhone 5 isn't the first iPhone. The biggest clue to this is the number '5'[/p][/quote]Actually everything I know about hardware and software is what my dad has taught me and he has been working with computers and learning about them since long before the internet was invented and open source has everything to do with end user feedback, mozilla firefox is an open source web browser that relies on user feedback and feedback from alpha and beta testers and i may not know everything about software development cycles but I know enough and you don't say, the iphone 5 really wasn't the first iphone? Did I even mention that it was? Also in a different quote I actually refer to the first iphone which was the only model to feature gorilla glass, each model afterwards hasn't featured gorilla glass but as I was saying, because android is open source, it can have bugs fixed through google reading through user feedback reports and are then able to start on a update or patch to fix the bug ASAP whereas the IOS only gets updated with each new handset but to use the new IOS version you have to buy the new handset, on more recent android phones, you can upgrade from the old OS on the same phone to a newer OS version for the specific handset for free. Ginger_cyclist
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6:13pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.
Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.[/p][/quote]Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on. Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect. Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.[/p][/quote]Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards. Ginger_cyclist
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6:15pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
I watch the lads at work playing with their iphones all day and wasting company time and money...the one thing I've noticed though,is that when it comes to using it as a phone,it's completely sh1t.
What is retina display,is that a fancy term for screen?
It's just a fancy name for a full 1080P HD display that has technology borrowed from the latest sony ericsson xperia devices that use sony's bravia tv tech for phone screens.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: I watch the lads at work playing with their iphones all day and wasting company time and money...the one thing I've noticed though,is that when it comes to using it as a phone,it's completely sh1t. What is retina display,is that a fancy term for screen?[/p][/quote]It's just a fancy name for a full 1080P HD display that has technology borrowed from the latest sony ericsson xperia devices that use sony's bravia tv tech for phone screens. Ginger_cyclist
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6:33pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
jojotgirl wrote:
suenami71 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.
I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep
I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh








eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol
Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.
Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?
Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.
Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking.

Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.
I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.
Open source software has nothing whatsoever to do with "end user feedback", and you know nothing about software development lifecycles beyond what you read in an article aimed at laymen. I have forgotten more about software than you will ever know.

Oops, did I bring over a decade of software engineering experience into the equation? Sorry.

> Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released?

Lame. The iPhone 5 isn't the first iPhone. The biggest clue to this is the number '5'
Actually everything I know about hardware and software is what my dad has taught me and he has been working with computers and learning about them since long before the internet was invented and open source has everything to do with end user feedback, mozilla firefox is an open source web browser that relies on user feedback and feedback from alpha and beta testers and i may not know everything about software development cycles but I know enough and you don't say, the iphone 5 really wasn't the first iphone? Did I even mention that it was? Also in a different quote I actually refer to the first iphone which was the only model to feature gorilla glass, each model afterwards hasn't featured gorilla glass but as I was saying, because android is open source, it can have bugs fixed through google reading through user feedback reports and are then able to start on a update or patch to fix the bug ASAP whereas the IOS only gets updated with each new handset but to use the new IOS version you have to buy the new handset, on more recent android phones, you can upgrade from the old OS on the same phone to a newer OS version for the specific handset for free.
Well, either he's talking rubbish, or you're misinterpreting him.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jojotgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suenami71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: I have an iPhone 4 which I use for a work phone and galaxy S3 for personal. The S3 is so much better than the iPhone, I seriously don't get how these people buy into a product so easily like sheep.[/p][/quote]I agree with you .. I have a galaxy ace 2, I love it and it costs me £25 a month less than an iPhone would with the same services.. Its a shame that people can get sucked into the advertising hype and end up being sheep[/p][/quote]I have an i phone 4s and I love it, love , love it and it costs me £10 month inc vat...............sh eep, my bum. Everyone is allowed to like what they like. That you like the cheapo, half hearted imitation is good for you! lol[/p][/quote]Android isn't a cheapo imitation, apple is an expensive imitation.[/p][/quote]Android isn't a phone. It's an open source operating system used by some phone makers. Apple manufacture their phones as well as developing their own OS. Samsung (they make phones) can not say the same thing and rely on a third party (Google) to write theirs. So who's the imitator again?[/p][/quote]Apple, they try saying they did this and that first when they never did, about the only thing they did first was use gorilla glass on ther 1st gen iphone, the intergrated battery had been done already, the "apps" idea had already been done, the idea for siri came from a phone that had a keypad, the touchscreen had already been done, they pretended they invented earphones, let's be honest, all you can say about iphones is, that they're allready overpriced ipod touches that have the antenna used in other phones squeezed into them and then overpriced even further by another £200, why pay between £529 £700 for something you won't use all the features of? It's stupid.[/p][/quote]Let's face it, all you can say about iPhones is, they memory-manage apps properly so they're not all constantly draining your battery, hogging memory and using your data allowance without asking. Oops. Did I bring actual owner experience, as opposed to meaningless numbers on spec sheet into the equation? Sorry.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but really, open source programming is the way to go because it's actually the END user who provides feedback to improve the software, not a bunch of people in lab coats who THINK they know what EVERYONE wants, open source allows developers to really get to know what their customers want and considering the android OS was co-developed by the ones behind the open source computer OS called linux, it means it already has a huge developer base to make constant updates to make android better, with android 2.1 i can do just as much with my phone as I'd be able to if I had an iphone 4S, I even have a program lie siri on it. Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Sorry bout that.[/p][/quote]Open source software has nothing whatsoever to do with "end user feedback", and you know nothing about software development lifecycles beyond what you read in an article aimed at laymen. I have forgotten more about software than you will ever know. Oops, did I bring over a decade of software engineering experience into the equation? Sorry. > Oops, did I bring almost 2 years of owner experience opposed to a day since the iphone 5 was released? Lame. The iPhone 5 isn't the first iPhone. The biggest clue to this is the number '5'[/p][/quote]Actually everything I know about hardware and software is what my dad has taught me and he has been working with computers and learning about them since long before the internet was invented and open source has everything to do with end user feedback, mozilla firefox is an open source web browser that relies on user feedback and feedback from alpha and beta testers and i may not know everything about software development cycles but I know enough and you don't say, the iphone 5 really wasn't the first iphone? Did I even mention that it was? Also in a different quote I actually refer to the first iphone which was the only model to feature gorilla glass, each model afterwards hasn't featured gorilla glass but as I was saying, because android is open source, it can have bugs fixed through google reading through user feedback reports and are then able to start on a update or patch to fix the bug ASAP whereas the IOS only gets updated with each new handset but to use the new IOS version you have to buy the new handset, on more recent android phones, you can upgrade from the old OS on the same phone to a newer OS version for the specific handset for free.[/p][/quote]Well, either he's talking rubbish, or you're misinterpreting him. Georgem
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6:47pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.
Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.
Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.[/p][/quote]Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on. Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect. Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.[/p][/quote]Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.[/p][/quote]Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter. Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?" Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments. Georgem
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10:39pm Sat 22 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Some interesting points. A good example of devs having problems with android is the Sky go app. It took them 6 months to upgrade to Ice cream sandwich and still only works on a few phones. I do think apple have taken their eye off the ball in terms of computers though. Lion and Mountain lion have been dissapointing. I also don't think people are too bothered about synching all their devices. but hey what do I know.
Some interesting points. A good example of devs having problems with android is the Sky go app. It took them 6 months to upgrade to Ice cream sandwich and still only works on a few phones. I do think apple have taken their eye off the ball in terms of computers though. Lion and Mountain lion have been dissapointing. I also don't think people are too bothered about synching all their devices. but hey what do I know. userds5050
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11:19pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.
Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.
Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.
To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.[/p][/quote]Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on. Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect. Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.[/p][/quote]Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.[/p][/quote]Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter. Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?" Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.[/p][/quote]To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it. Ginger_cyclist
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11:24pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

userds5050 wrote:
Some interesting points. A good example of devs having problems with android is the Sky go app. It took them 6 months to upgrade to Ice cream sandwich and still only works on a few phones. I do think apple have taken their eye off the ball in terms of computers though. Lion and Mountain lion have been dissapointing. I also don't think people are too bothered about synching all their devices. but hey what do I know.
It also means people who make compatible accesories now also have to make iphone 5 only compatible accesories as well as the stuff that covers from ipods to the iphone 4S.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: Some interesting points. A good example of devs having problems with android is the Sky go app. It took them 6 months to upgrade to Ice cream sandwich and still only works on a few phones. I do think apple have taken their eye off the ball in terms of computers though. Lion and Mountain lion have been dissapointing. I also don't think people are too bothered about synching all their devices. but hey what do I know.[/p][/quote]It also means people who make compatible accesories now also have to make iphone 5 only compatible accesories as well as the stuff that covers from ipods to the iphone 4S. Ginger_cyclist
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11:42pm Sat 22 Sep 12

userds5050 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.
Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.
Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.
To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.
I don't really know enough about the new iPhone charger TBH. I don't like it when a firm sells a product without a charger to save the environment "because everyone's already got one." How are you supposed to recycle your old phone then?
I don't think the lack of flash is also a problem as well. Plenty of sites apart from YouTube run HTML 5 and it also supports silverlight. Competition is also good so each to their own.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.[/p][/quote]Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on. Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect. Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.[/p][/quote]Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.[/p][/quote]Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter. Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?" Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.[/p][/quote]To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.[/p][/quote]I don't really know enough about the new iPhone charger TBH. I don't like it when a firm sells a product without a charger to save the environment "because everyone's already got one." How are you supposed to recycle your old phone then? I don't think the lack of flash is also a problem as well. Plenty of sites apart from YouTube run HTML 5 and it also supports silverlight. Competition is also good so each to their own. userds5050
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2:43pm Sun 23 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Although I haven't much idea about the technical aspects to which people are referring, I have learned a great deal about iphones.

People here have been very generous with their time, giving detailed, in-depth opinions of this product, and deserve praise and recognition.

What about a local site dedicated to product reviews, Echo ? Obviously this was the point I was working up to.
Although I haven't much idea about the technical aspects to which people are referring, I have learned a great deal about iphones. People here have been very generous with their time, giving detailed, in-depth opinions of this product, and deserve praise and recognition. What about a local site dedicated to product reviews, Echo ? Obviously this was the point I was working up to. BillyTheKid
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7:28pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.
Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.
Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.
To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.
The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.[/p][/quote]Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on. Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect. Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.[/p][/quote]Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.[/p][/quote]Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter. Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?" Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.[/p][/quote]To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.[/p][/quote]The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash. Georgem
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12:36am Mon 24 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.
Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.
Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.
To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.
The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.
True but in reality, flash will still be around for quite a while yet, as another commenter rightly said, HTML5 will be the new flash but for now flash is still alive and it still has it's teeth in a lot of things, also 99.9% of all websites also use javascript which most devices (other than obvious dinosaurs) can read.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.[/p][/quote]Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on. Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect. Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.[/p][/quote]Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.[/p][/quote]Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter. Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?" Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.[/p][/quote]To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.[/p][/quote]The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.[/p][/quote]True but in reality, flash will still be around for quite a while yet, as another commenter rightly said, HTML5 will be the new flash but for now flash is still alive and it still has it's teeth in a lot of things, also 99.9% of all websites also use javascript which most devices (other than obvious dinosaurs) can read. Ginger_cyclist
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12:41am Mon 24 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.
Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.
Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.
To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.
The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.
Daily Echo's servers are starting to frazzle from all the arguments.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.[/p][/quote]Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on. Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect. Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.[/p][/quote]Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.[/p][/quote]Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter. Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?" Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.[/p][/quote]To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.[/p][/quote]The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.[/p][/quote]Daily Echo's servers are starting to frazzle from all the arguments. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

8:21am Mon 24 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.
I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.
I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.
True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.
Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on.

Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect.

Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.
Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.
Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter.

Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?"

Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.
To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.
The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.
True but in reality, flash will still be around for quite a while yet, as another commenter rightly said, HTML5 will be the new flash but for now flash is still alive and it still has it's teeth in a lot of things, also 99.9% of all websites also use javascript which most devices (other than obvious dinosaurs) can read.
Adobe themselves are hastening the demise of Flash. They stopped producing a Flash client for mobile devices last year.

Not sure where you're getting the figure "99.9%" for Javascript prevalence. It's patently not true. Javascript isn't read by screen readers, either, so if a site owner cares about accessibility - and corporate site owners are technically legally required to - they'll degrade gracefully to a Javascriptless experience.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: I'm wondering if it actually was Craig who posted last night. If it was it proves the point about the iPhone and conspicuous consumption. "You're jealous" "You wish you had £700 to spend on a phone." It also goes along way to explaining why people choose to queue overnight. You don't get it with people who buy Samsung ect... Also it's normally just the illusion of wealth. The guy works in a care home.[/p][/quote]I'd rather spend £300 to £400 less on a top of the range sony ericsson running android than up to £700 on an Iturd.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your comments. They've cut the price of the iPod touch 4th gen to around £140. It's got the retina display, iOS 6 etc... There's pleny of wifi signals about too. The plus point with apple developing their own OS though is they control updates. The problem with Sony and Samsung using Android is they have no control over the latest ice cream, jelly bean sandwich.[/p][/quote]True but the one big thing android phones have over the Iphone is the range of choice you have in handsets, with the iphone, you only have 3 choices you can make, black or white, storage space and network provider, with android you can get all sorts of colours, sizes, shapes, cameras, the list is endless, also wifi signals have nothing to do with choice, my £100 android X8 has wifi.[/p][/quote]Variety of choice is indeed an advantage the Android market has. Can't argue with that. This is both good and bad, though. It's good for reasons you list. Choice is a good thing. It's also bad, though, because the massive range of devices running different versions of the OS, and the browser, cause problems for app developers. So you'll find there are apps that simply don't work on all Android devices, because no app developer has all handsets available to test on. Similarly, web developers can't be sure their webapps render properly on all Android devices. The smaller range of iOS devices is a big win in that respect. Think I'm talking rubbish? I was hired by O2 for a while, to work on this exact problem on their webshop. We had every major handset on the market to play with. Getting something working properly on an iPhone was a doddle. Android was a massive pain, cos what worked ok on one handset would not lay out properly on another. They weren't the worst culprit, though. That honour goes to Blackberry, whose browsers don't work consistently even between slightly older and slightly newer versions of identical handsets. Urgh.[/p][/quote]Oh no, I can believe you about slight handset differences causing problems but it's the difference in OS versions that cause the biggest headache, am I right? In which case it is the reason that most app and webapp developers choose to develop from a specific OS version to the latest one or only develop for the latest version but I do agree with you about blackberry devices, they are trying to play football with a lump of concrete, impossible, I've also heard a lot of bad things about models using a track ball in the position of where old D-pads would be, one person I knew had to replace the trackball component 4 times in 2 months before they decided to ditch it, another person I know had to replace theirs a few times too but last time they did it, they used aftermarket parts and not official blackberry parts and had no problems afterwards.[/p][/quote]Yes it's OS versioning that causes the variation. That's the point. The massive array of choice in the Android world suffers from the problem, precisely because of the huge choice available. I know people who have bought apps for their Android phone, and found they simply don't work. If you've got a relatively recent iPhone, that's simply not a problem you'll ever encounter. Does this matter? It depends entirely on the individual. That's the bottom line. There's no definitive answer to the iOS vs Android question. It's too complex for there to be any definitive "this is definitely better" answer, just as there's no single answer to "what's the best car in the world?" Apple excel at usability. Their UX is the envy of the entire tech world. Any time a competing product "wins", it'll be down to something other than usability. Nobody spends as much time making their tech devices as usable as Apple do. That's what wins the smartphone war for me. I choose Apple computers for different reasons, but smartphones and tablets, it's the UX, hands-down. If it other aspects persuade other people to use something else, that's up to them. They're not idiots for it. The idiots are the people who boycott Apple for ridiculous things like working conditions in their factories, or on one single corner aspect, like "Oh, no Flash!", or are swayed by reverse-fanboy arguments.[/p][/quote]To be honest, the fact iphones don't support flash is a big thing for me because I watch a lot of videos on sites other than youtube and to me, the usability on android and IOS have very little difference, the other thing that makes android win me over is the upgrade-ability of the devices, some like the iphone, come with 16Gb built in but all android devices have expandable memory, some can even take a full 64Gb SD/micro SD card and the combined cost is still a fraction of the iphones cost, besides, did you know that it costs apple less than £250 to produce each iphone including software and packaging? That makes the retail price an incredible 200% to 300% mark up, sure they have to make a profit but that sort of mark up to sale price is absurd. Anyway, I think I'll root my X8 later to install android 2.3, even though sony claim it won't run it despite the fact that people have proven it can run it.[/p][/quote]The bigger problem is, of course, that Flash still exists. It's got too much of a stronghold on the web, for a proprietary product. Apple are actually doing the world a favour by not supporting Flash. It's forcing the world to cut the apron strings that are tied to Flash, because regardless of what anybody here thinks, iOS devices are massive, and companies simply can't afford to disregard them. The result? Less dependence of Flash.[/p][/quote]True but in reality, flash will still be around for quite a while yet, as another commenter rightly said, HTML5 will be the new flash but for now flash is still alive and it still has it's teeth in a lot of things, also 99.9% of all websites also use javascript which most devices (other than obvious dinosaurs) can read.[/p][/quote]Adobe themselves are hastening the demise of Flash. They stopped producing a Flash client for mobile devices last year. Not sure where you're getting the figure "99.9%" for Javascript prevalence. It's patently not true. Javascript isn't read by screen readers, either, so if a site owner cares about accessibility - and corporate site owners are technically legally required to - they'll degrade gracefully to a Javascriptless experience. Georgem
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