Views sought on £100m estate plan for Townhill Park in Southampton

Views welcome on £100m estate plan

Views welcome on £100m estate plan

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

Residents can have their say on plans for a £100m regeneration of a Southampton estate this weekend.

The city’s housing chiefs will consult residents in Townhill Park today, to get their thoughts on the ambitious plans, which were revealed by the Daily Echo, back in March.

As previously reported, the extensive regeneration scheme is set to see 428 homes, five shops and a pub demolished to make way for the rejuvenation of Meggeson Avenue and the surrounding streets.

That will include 675 new flats and houses, 450 of which will become council houses.

The extensive proposals also include a new parade of shops as well as a pub or cafe, plus an adventure playground for youngsters.

But council bosses now want to gauge the community’s reaction to the master plan, before building work can begin.

Link road They are particularly keen for residents to put forward their thoughts on the idea of creating a new link road to Midanbury , as well as the proposed redevelopment of Frog’s Copse – something that is currently subject to environmental studies being carried out by the council.

Councillors will also use the meeting to find out what shops are needed in the area.

Southampton City Council ’s housing boss, Cllr Warwick Payne, said: “The plans for Townhill Park are by no means set in stone. We know what we would like to achieve, which is a modern, suburban estate, with more affordable housing.

“But it’s important that we speak to everyone concerned and give residents the chance to put forward their views on what they would like to see in the area.”

The consultation event will take place at Townhill Park Community Centre, in Meggeson Avenue, from 1pm today.

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10:11am Sat 22 Sep 12

bazzeroz says...

My view is that it's a waste of money and should be spent on my estate because it's older!
My view is that it's a waste of money and should be spent on my estate because it's older! bazzeroz
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10:45am Sat 22 Sep 12

windyboy says...

Councillors will also use the meeting to find out what shops are needed in the area.


Cash Converters?
Councillors will also use the meeting to find out what shops are needed in the area. Cash Converters? windyboy
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1:34pm Sat 22 Sep 12

loosehead says...

What another consultation which will be as pointless as The oaklands Pool consultations?
Surely before they changed the conservative plan they should have asked the residents if there was anything they wanted changed?
maybe there would have been no need for an extra £50million spent or a copse cut down or a new road?
I hope they don't do a Channel islands job & cram as many properties onto as small a space as possible.
the Copse should stay & give the people space to live
What another consultation which will be as pointless as The oaklands Pool consultations? Surely before they changed the conservative plan they should have asked the residents if there was anything they wanted changed? maybe there would have been no need for an extra £50million spent or a copse cut down or a new road? I hope they don't do a Channel islands job & cram as many properties onto as small a space as possible. the Copse should stay & give the people space to live loosehead
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1:53pm Sat 22 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Artist's impressions - they make you laugh, don't they ? I never saw them all those years ago, but I bet the ones depicting the proposed "rejuvenation" of Bitterne village looked similarly idyllic. Look at it now : another monument to wall-to-wall pavement with an exhibition of various litterforms on premanent display.

But how are you going to get the people who live there to feel better about themselves ? After years of building down self-esteem, knowing they live on a tough estate in what the Echo has referred to the "Chav Capital" of Britain, are they going to change suddenly ?

Have a look on YouTube at those old news items from the 60's showing the smiling-for-the-came
ra faces on families moving into their new flat in one of the modern, high-rise council tower blocks : " I say, Gran, bitter thin yaw dimp owld Victorwian terrace, what ?" Yes, she loved being torn away from her old community, and being isolated in a council box with no garden !

The bottom line is we know what you want to do with the appearance of the area, but what are you going to do for the people ? What do you hope for ? Everything to change automatically based on a foundation of anticipated communal, heart-felt gratitude ?
Artist's impressions - they make you laugh, don't they ? I never saw them all those years ago, but I bet the ones depicting the proposed "rejuvenation" of Bitterne village looked similarly idyllic. Look at it now : another monument to wall-to-wall pavement with an exhibition of various litterforms on premanent display. But how are you going to get the people who live there to feel better about themselves ? After years of building down self-esteem, knowing they live on a tough estate in what the Echo has referred to the "Chav Capital" of Britain, are they going to change suddenly ? Have a look on YouTube at those old news items from the 60's showing the smiling-for-the-came ra faces on families moving into their new flat in one of the modern, high-rise council tower blocks : " I say, Gran, bitter thin yaw dimp owld Victorwian terrace, what ?" Yes, she loved being torn away from her old community, and being isolated in a council box with no garden ! The bottom line is we know what you want to do with the appearance of the area, but what are you going to do for the people ? What do you hope for ? Everything to change automatically based on a foundation of anticipated communal, heart-felt gratitude ? BillyTheKid
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1:59pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Bb5061 says...

I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal? Bb5061
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2:52pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Poppy22 says...

Yes, why do these redevelopments cost so much? Good that it's being regenerated but make sure that it does result in council and affordable housing, with a good environment for people to live in, and not just another private sector money grabbing exercise.
Yes, why do these redevelopments cost so much? Good that it's being regenerated but make sure that it does result in council and affordable housing, with a good environment for people to live in, and not just another private sector money grabbing exercise. Poppy22
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4:10pm Sat 22 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
Always important to see the hard-line, condescending, cynical view.

What do you suggest ? Round them all up, give them "TP" armbands to wear, and herd them into a stockade ?
[quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]Always important to see the hard-line, condescending, cynical view. What do you suggest ? Round them all up, give them "TP" armbands to wear, and herd them into a stockade ? BillyTheKid
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5:57pm Sat 22 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................
......
[quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ...... IronLady2010
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7:20pm Sat 22 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................

......
Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ?

We are all born equal, but once we are taken "home", our futures are usually determined by the intelligence, integrity, and earning capacity of our guardians. Generally, those early experiences in childhood influence our ability to take responsibility for our own destinies.

Council tenants do not "receive" services. The properties are maintained by the owners, as they should be. Many people have not got the education and qualifications that will get them the job security necessary for obtaining a mortgage. Health issues, and disabilities also affect earning power.

Your condescending and patronising account thinly disguises your contempt and lack of understanding for council tenants and the circumstances in which they live.

Iron Lady, it is my opinion you should be ashamed of what you have written.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ? We are all born equal, but once we are taken "home", our futures are usually determined by the intelligence, integrity, and earning capacity of our guardians. Generally, those early experiences in childhood influence our ability to take responsibility for our own destinies. Council tenants do not "receive" services. The properties are maintained by the owners, as they should be. Many people have not got the education and qualifications that will get them the job security necessary for obtaining a mortgage. Health issues, and disabilities also affect earning power. Your condescending and patronising account thinly disguises your contempt and lack of understanding for council tenants and the circumstances in which they live. Iron Lady, it is my opinion you should be ashamed of what you have written. BillyTheKid
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8:20pm Sat 22 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Billy, your opinion is welcome.
Billy, your opinion is welcome. IronLady2010
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9:14pm Sat 22 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................


......
Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ?

We are all born equal, but once we are taken "home", our futures are usually determined by the intelligence, integrity, and earning capacity of our guardians. Generally, those early experiences in childhood influence our ability to take responsibility for our own destinies.

Council tenants do not "receive" services. The properties are maintained by the owners, as they should be. Many people have not got the education and qualifications that will get them the job security necessary for obtaining a mortgage. Health issues, and disabilities also affect earning power.

Your condescending and patronising account thinly disguises your contempt and lack of understanding for council tenants and the circumstances in which they live.

Iron Lady, it is my opinion you should be ashamed of what you have written.
Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ? We are all born equal, but once we are taken "home", our futures are usually determined by the intelligence, integrity, and earning capacity of our guardians. Generally, those early experiences in childhood influence our ability to take responsibility for our own destinies. Council tenants do not "receive" services. The properties are maintained by the owners, as they should be. Many people have not got the education and qualifications that will get them the job security necessary for obtaining a mortgage. Health issues, and disabilities also affect earning power. Your condescending and patronising account thinly disguises your contempt and lack of understanding for council tenants and the circumstances in which they live. Iron Lady, it is my opinion you should be ashamed of what you have written.[/p][/quote]Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ? BillyTheKid
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9:15pm Sat 22 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Billy, your opinion is welcome.
Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ?”
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Billy, your opinion is welcome.[/p][/quote]Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ?” BillyTheKid
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9:16pm Sat 22 Sep 12

skin2000 says...

Artists impression looks like the parade ring at Racecourse Newbury or Newbury Racecourse as it is called now.
Artists impression looks like the parade ring at Racecourse Newbury or Newbury Racecourse as it is called now. skin2000
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9:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Billy, your opinion is welcome.
Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ?”
Not to you, Sir.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Billy, your opinion is welcome.[/p][/quote]Would you explain why you do not think it is a good idea for the more fortunate to assist the less fortunate ?”[/p][/quote]Not to you, Sir. IronLady2010
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9:40pm Sat 22 Sep 12

loosehead says...

After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here?
Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid?
On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where.
Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them?
The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories?
After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here? Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid? On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where. Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them? The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories? loosehead
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9:53pm Sat 22 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here?
Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid?
On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where.
Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them?
The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories?
Loosehead, my point is that, because I live in a high property value area, we get very little Council Service, yet we pay more Council Tax. Surely we pay Tax on the services we use. We don't have gardeners, which Council Estates have, we have never seen a litter picker. Once a month you may see a street sweeper truck if we're lucky. It is us residents who pick the weeds out of Council owned pavements.

I get frustrated at paying more for services we don't use whereas the Council throw money at those who pay less in Tax.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here? Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid? On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where. Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them? The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, my point is that, because I live in a high property value area, we get very little Council Service, yet we pay more Council Tax. Surely we pay Tax on the services we use. We don't have gardeners, which Council Estates have, we have never seen a litter picker. Once a month you may see a street sweeper truck if we're lucky. It is us residents who pick the weeds out of Council owned pavements. I get frustrated at paying more for services we don't use whereas the Council throw money at those who pay less in Tax. IronLady2010
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10:00pm Sat 22 Sep 12

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here?
Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid?
On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where.
Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them?
The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories?
Loosehead, my point is that, because I live in a high property value area, we get very little Council Service, yet we pay more Council Tax. Surely we pay Tax on the services we use. We don't have gardeners, which Council Estates have, we have never seen a litter picker. Once a month you may see a street sweeper truck if we're lucky. It is us residents who pick the weeds out of Council owned pavements.

I get frustrated at paying more for services we don't use whereas the Council throw money at those who pay less in Tax.
Ironlady has the council adopted you're roads?
I lived in a private estate (hadn't built social houses then)We had to pay £100 a year for maintenance of estate & park which ended up being a playground for social housing which frequently got wrecked so I moved.
I know exactly where you're coming from.
my point is,Is this estate going to be built as an Eco estate?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here? Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid? On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where. Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them? The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, my point is that, because I live in a high property value area, we get very little Council Service, yet we pay more Council Tax. Surely we pay Tax on the services we use. We don't have gardeners, which Council Estates have, we have never seen a litter picker. Once a month you may see a street sweeper truck if we're lucky. It is us residents who pick the weeds out of Council owned pavements. I get frustrated at paying more for services we don't use whereas the Council throw money at those who pay less in Tax.[/p][/quote]Ironlady has the council adopted you're roads? I lived in a private estate (hadn't built social houses then)We had to pay £100 a year for maintenance of estate & park which ended up being a playground for social housing which frequently got wrecked so I moved. I know exactly where you're coming from. my point is,Is this estate going to be built as an Eco estate? loosehead
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10:00pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Maine Lobster says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................

......
There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour. Maine Lobster
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10:13pm Sat 22 Sep 12

skin2000 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here?
Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid?
On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where.
Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them?
The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories?
Loosehead, my point is that, because I live in a high property value area, we get very little Council Service, yet we pay more Council Tax. Surely we pay Tax on the services we use. We don't have gardeners, which Council Estates have, we have never seen a litter picker. Once a month you may see a street sweeper truck if we're lucky. It is us residents who pick the weeds out of Council owned pavements.

I get frustrated at paying more for services we don't use whereas the Council throw money at those who pay less in Tax.
Absolute rubbish
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here? Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid? On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where. Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them? The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, my point is that, because I live in a high property value area, we get very little Council Service, yet we pay more Council Tax. Surely we pay Tax on the services we use. We don't have gardeners, which Council Estates have, we have never seen a litter picker. Once a month you may see a street sweeper truck if we're lucky. It is us residents who pick the weeds out of Council owned pavements. I get frustrated at paying more for services we don't use whereas the Council throw money at those who pay less in Tax.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish skin2000
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10:25pm Sat 22 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................


......
There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour.
You are judging people. Not all on Council Estates earn a low wage, many earn above average wage.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour.[/p][/quote]You are judging people. Not all on Council Estates earn a low wage, many earn above average wage. IronLady2010
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10:36pm Sat 22 Sep 12

skin2000 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................



......
There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour.
You are judging people. Not all on Council Estates earn a low wage, many earn above average wage.
More rubbish
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour.[/p][/quote]You are judging people. Not all on Council Estates earn a low wage, many earn above average wage.[/p][/quote]More rubbish skin2000
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10:54pm Sat 22 Sep 12

jojotgirl says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here?
Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid?
On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where.
Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them?
The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories?
Loosehead, my point is that, because I live in a high property value area, we get very little Council Service, yet we pay more Council Tax. Surely we pay Tax on the services we use. We don't have gardeners, which Council Estates have, we have never seen a litter picker. Once a month you may see a street sweeper truck if we're lucky. It is us residents who pick the weeds out of Council owned pavements.

I get frustrated at paying more for services we don't use whereas the Council throw money at those who pay less in Tax.
Well I too am lucky enough to live in a higher value area so pay more council tax than many.....that's how it goes! In our area I can see a small and dedicated Parish Council team out and about on a daily basis picking litter, dog pooh, gardening and maintaining the villae generally. A quick call to our Parish Centre if a walkway is getting overgrown sees it cut back and tidied within days. Maybe you should sell your "high value house" and move here!? Oh, by the way. I was brought up in Merryoak by parents who, although officially "unskilled", worked full time (opposite shifts so us kids were never farmed out) to give us the best life they could. They instilled in us a strong work ethic and encouraged us and worked even harder so we could stay in education. They pay their rent on time, in full and keep their house and garden immaculately and always have. They couldn't be prouder of my brother and I for owning our own sizeable homes in nice areas, but don't tar everyone who lives in social housing with the same brush. Those who are less fortunate than us don't always bleed society dry so surely they deserve to live in decent conditions?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: After the new Eco houses built under the Tory administration I hope Williams ( who took credit for it) applies those same Eco principles here? Or is it only the Tories that consider making live better & cheaper to live for the lower paid? On the channel island estate in Lordshill there's two committed resident association members who go around & collect litter they want to be proud of this area yet Church Street in Shirley you can see the litter every where. Ironlady the council won't even be building the properties they will be built by a housing association & the council will buy so many of them? The Eco houses worked out cheaper to build than doing this but Labour seem to think they're doing better than the Tories?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, my point is that, because I live in a high property value area, we get very little Council Service, yet we pay more Council Tax. Surely we pay Tax on the services we use. We don't have gardeners, which Council Estates have, we have never seen a litter picker. Once a month you may see a street sweeper truck if we're lucky. It is us residents who pick the weeds out of Council owned pavements. I get frustrated at paying more for services we don't use whereas the Council throw money at those who pay less in Tax.[/p][/quote]Well I too am lucky enough to live in a higher value area so pay more council tax than many.....that's how it goes! In our area I can see a small and dedicated Parish Council team out and about on a daily basis picking litter, dog pooh, gardening and maintaining the villae generally. A quick call to our Parish Centre if a walkway is getting overgrown sees it cut back and tidied within days. Maybe you should sell your "high value house" and move here!? Oh, by the way. I was brought up in Merryoak by parents who, although officially "unskilled", worked full time (opposite shifts so us kids were never farmed out) to give us the best life they could. They instilled in us a strong work ethic and encouraged us and worked even harder so we could stay in education. They pay their rent on time, in full and keep their house and garden immaculately and always have. They couldn't be prouder of my brother and I for owning our own sizeable homes in nice areas, but don't tar everyone who lives in social housing with the same brush. Those who are less fortunate than us don't always bleed society dry so surely they deserve to live in decent conditions? jojotgirl
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11:04pm Sat 22 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................

......
I did not ask you to explain "to me". I asked you to explain FULL STOP

By the look of things, one or two other people would like an explanation for your obnoxious post.

The vast majority of highly-paid manual labour jobs are contract based, temporary, with no guarantee of regular income, and you, as a self-professed business woman, know this. You will also know that securing a mortgage is virtually impossible with that kind of financial background.

Also, your post violates the Site Terms in that it is a "statement which may incite disrespect in any third party".

I suggest people report this post as it incites disrespect for council tenants.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]I did not ask you to explain "to me". I asked you to explain FULL STOP By the look of things, one or two other people would like an explanation for your obnoxious post. The vast majority of highly-paid manual labour jobs are contract based, temporary, with no guarantee of regular income, and you, as a self-professed business woman, know this. You will also know that securing a mortgage is virtually impossible with that kind of financial background. Also, your post violates the Site Terms in that it is a "statement which may incite disrespect in any third party". I suggest people report this post as it incites disrespect for council tenants. BillyTheKid
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11:20pm Sat 22 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................


......
I did not ask you to explain "to me". I asked you to explain FULL STOP

By the look of things, one or two other people would like an explanation for your obnoxious post.

The vast majority of highly-paid manual labour jobs are contract based, temporary, with no guarantee of regular income, and you, as a self-professed business woman, know this. You will also know that securing a mortgage is virtually impossible with that kind of financial background.

Also, your post violates the Site Terms in that it is a "statement which may incite disrespect in any third party".

I suggest people report this post as it incites disrespect for council tenants.
Your opinion is welcome.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]I did not ask you to explain "to me". I asked you to explain FULL STOP By the look of things, one or two other people would like an explanation for your obnoxious post. The vast majority of highly-paid manual labour jobs are contract based, temporary, with no guarantee of regular income, and you, as a self-professed business woman, know this. You will also know that securing a mortgage is virtually impossible with that kind of financial background. Also, your post violates the Site Terms in that it is a "statement which may incite disrespect in any third party". I suggest people report this post as it incites disrespect for council tenants.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is welcome. IronLady2010
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12:59am Sun 23 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................



......
I did not ask you to explain "to me". I asked you to explain FULL STOP

By the look of things, one or two other people would like an explanation for your obnoxious post.

The vast majority of highly-paid manual labour jobs are contract based, temporary, with no guarantee of regular income, and you, as a self-professed business woman, know this. You will also know that securing a mortgage is virtually impossible with that kind of financial background.

Also, your post violates the Site Terms in that it is a "statement which may incite disrespect in any third party".

I suggest people report this post as it incites disrespect for council tenants.
Your opinion is welcome.
So I understand.......unl
ike yours. As it's the week-end, you'll probably get away with some plausible explanation if you report your own post before the full team get back on Monday. I don't believe you should get away with blatant snobbery, but you don't ususally leave yourself so wide open to criticism.

For what it's worth, I happen to know that the forum is being "watched", and some justice will be dispensed to people who violate the site terms. There is a reason why things have quietened down, why the usual trolls are not attacking me, and why I have been able to enjoy some normal posting here this week.

You will not have any problem with me other than a jolly good argument if you post any more snobbish comments. I know how to troll, and I have needed that skill until recently. Now there is no need, the trolling switch stays off.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]I did not ask you to explain "to me". I asked you to explain FULL STOP By the look of things, one or two other people would like an explanation for your obnoxious post. The vast majority of highly-paid manual labour jobs are contract based, temporary, with no guarantee of regular income, and you, as a self-professed business woman, know this. You will also know that securing a mortgage is virtually impossible with that kind of financial background. Also, your post violates the Site Terms in that it is a "statement which may incite disrespect in any third party". I suggest people report this post as it incites disrespect for council tenants.[/p][/quote]Your opinion is welcome.[/p][/quote]So I understand.......unl ike yours. As it's the week-end, you'll probably get away with some plausible explanation if you report your own post before the full team get back on Monday. I don't believe you should get away with blatant snobbery, but you don't ususally leave yourself so wide open to criticism. For what it's worth, I happen to know that the forum is being "watched", and some justice will be dispensed to people who violate the site terms. There is a reason why things have quietened down, why the usual trolls are not attacking me, and why I have been able to enjoy some normal posting here this week. You will not have any problem with me other than a jolly good argument if you post any more snobbish comments. I know how to troll, and I have needed that skill until recently. Now there is no need, the trolling switch stays off. BillyTheKid
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1:11am Sun 23 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

By the way, the answer to urban dystopia is money, education and opportunity. Socialists can never provide enough of it, the Tory's begrudge it, and the Liberal's are thinking about it.

Just my very welcome opinion.
By the way, the answer to urban dystopia is money, education and opportunity. Socialists can never provide enough of it, the Tory's begrudge it, and the Liberal's are thinking about it. Just my very welcome opinion. BillyTheKid
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8:24am Sun 23 Sep 12

Maine Lobster says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................



......
There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour.
You are judging people. Not all on Council Estates earn a low wage, many earn above average wage.
And you are not judging people?
I guess you are just on her to deliberatley provoke angry responses by your Dickensian comments.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour.[/p][/quote]You are judging people. Not all on Council Estates earn a low wage, many earn above average wage.[/p][/quote]And you are not judging people? I guess you are just on her to deliberatley provoke angry responses by your Dickensian comments. Maine Lobster
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8:43am Sun 23 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

I hear the terms affordable housing bandied about, and there were a batch built near me, at least three of them have been empty since they were built a while ago, it looks as if nobody can afford them! What most people want is a solid structure, with a kitchen, a bathroom/toilet, a living room and bedrooms for the occupants, and a garden space outside. With this being the 21st Century most need a parking space and a sensible road access, for the youngsters somewhere to exercise and the older ones some form of Recreational Club. Starting with those basics I am sure the rest will fall in place. I guess some people have less needs than others so some multi story blocks with basic accomodation could serve a purpose, giving the occupants an address is a start. Of course there should be a convenient location for shops serving the community. Not really rocket science.
I hear the terms affordable housing bandied about, and there were a batch built near me, at least three of them have been empty since they were built a while ago, it looks as if nobody can afford them! What most people want is a solid structure, with a kitchen, a bathroom/toilet, a living room and bedrooms for the occupants, and a garden space outside. With this being the 21st Century most need a parking space and a sensible road access, for the youngsters somewhere to exercise and the older ones some form of Recreational Club. Starting with those basics I am sure the rest will fall in place. I guess some people have less needs than others so some multi story blocks with basic accomodation could serve a purpose, giving the occupants an address is a start. Of course there should be a convenient location for shops serving the community. Not really rocket science. OSPREYSAINT
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8:53am Sun 23 Sep 12

skin2000 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I hear the terms affordable housing bandied about, and there were a batch built near me, at least three of them have been empty since they were built a while ago, it looks as if nobody can afford them! What most people want is a solid structure, with a kitchen, a bathroom/toilet, a living room and bedrooms for the occupants, and a garden space outside. With this being the 21st Century most need a parking space and a sensible road access, for the youngsters somewhere to exercise and the older ones some form of Recreational Club. Starting with those basics I am sure the rest will fall in place. I guess some people have less needs than others so some multi story blocks with basic accomodation could serve a purpose, giving the occupants an address is a start. Of course there should be a convenient location for shops serving the community. Not really rocket science.
They seam to get caught out with parking spaces, there is a new batch of houses/flats being built in Shirley High Street, but to me, they have seamed to have forgotten parking again. As you say it is not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I hear the terms affordable housing bandied about, and there were a batch built near me, at least three of them have been empty since they were built a while ago, it looks as if nobody can afford them! What most people want is a solid structure, with a kitchen, a bathroom/toilet, a living room and bedrooms for the occupants, and a garden space outside. With this being the 21st Century most need a parking space and a sensible road access, for the youngsters somewhere to exercise and the older ones some form of Recreational Club. Starting with those basics I am sure the rest will fall in place. I guess some people have less needs than others so some multi story blocks with basic accomodation could serve a purpose, giving the occupants an address is a start. Of course there should be a convenient location for shops serving the community. Not really rocket science.[/p][/quote]They seam to get caught out with parking spaces, there is a new batch of houses/flats being built in Shirley High Street, but to me, they have seamed to have forgotten parking again. As you say it is not rocket science. skin2000
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10:10am Sun 23 Sep 12

loosehead says...

skin2000 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I hear the terms affordable housing bandied about, and there were a batch built near me, at least three of them have been empty since they were built a while ago, it looks as if nobody can afford them! What most people want is a solid structure, with a kitchen, a bathroom/toilet, a living room and bedrooms for the occupants, and a garden space outside. With this being the 21st Century most need a parking space and a sensible road access, for the youngsters somewhere to exercise and the older ones some form of Recreational Club. Starting with those basics I am sure the rest will fall in place. I guess some people have less needs than others so some multi story blocks with basic accomodation could serve a purpose, giving the occupants an address is a start. Of course there should be a convenient location for shops serving the community. Not really rocket science.
They seam to get caught out with parking spaces, there is a new batch of houses/flats being built in Shirley High Street, but to me, they have seamed to have forgotten parking again. As you say it is not rocket science.
The Woolston development was the same & the last council cut the amount of apartments to ease the burden on car parking
[quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I hear the terms affordable housing bandied about, and there were a batch built near me, at least three of them have been empty since they were built a while ago, it looks as if nobody can afford them! What most people want is a solid structure, with a kitchen, a bathroom/toilet, a living room and bedrooms for the occupants, and a garden space outside. With this being the 21st Century most need a parking space and a sensible road access, for the youngsters somewhere to exercise and the older ones some form of Recreational Club. Starting with those basics I am sure the rest will fall in place. I guess some people have less needs than others so some multi story blocks with basic accomodation could serve a purpose, giving the occupants an address is a start. Of course there should be a convenient location for shops serving the community. Not really rocket science.[/p][/quote]They seam to get caught out with parking spaces, there is a new batch of houses/flats being built in Shirley High Street, but to me, they have seamed to have forgotten parking again. As you say it is not rocket science.[/p][/quote]The Woolston development was the same & the last council cut the amount of apartments to ease the burden on car parking loosehead
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2:18pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................


......
There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour.
Yes, because 'luck' (which isn't even tangible) pays out just when you need it.

I'm going to keep checking my account balance everyday just in case 'luck' pays out, so fingers crossed.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bb5061[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?[/p][/quote]A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......[/p][/quote]There are many people who live on Council estates who work extremely hard but who earn low wages. Just because you have a high salary it does not mean you work harder. If fact there are many who earn higher salaries who are in their position more by luck than endeavour.[/p][/quote]Yes, because 'luck' (which isn't even tangible) pays out just when you need it. I'm going to keep checking my account balance everyday just in case 'luck' pays out, so fingers crossed. Shoong
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2:33pm Sun 23 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

SaintM wrote:
billy the kid needs to grow up
This sort of unqualified, deliberate provocation is being treated harshly by the site moderators now.

Why should I have to tolerate your insulting abuse ? You have not bothered to offer any explanation for your personal attack on my integrity.

I, and several other commenters have expressed dismay at IronLady's discriminatory attitude towards a particular class. If you wish to argue with that, go ahead - that is what this site is for. But please do not make vacuous insults.
[quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: billy the kid needs to grow up[/p][/quote]This sort of unqualified, deliberate provocation is being treated harshly by the site moderators now. Why should I have to tolerate your insulting abuse ? You have not bothered to offer any explanation for your personal attack on my integrity. I, and several other commenters have expressed dismay at IronLady's discriminatory attitude towards a particular class. If you wish to argue with that, go ahead - that is what this site is for. But please do not make vacuous insults. BillyTheKid
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4:28pm Sun 23 Sep 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
SaintM wrote:
billy the kid needs to grow up
This sort of unqualified, deliberate provocation is being treated harshly by the site moderators now.

Why should I have to tolerate your insulting abuse ? You have not bothered to offer any explanation for your personal attack on my integrity.

I, and several other commenters have expressed dismay at IronLady's discriminatory attitude towards a particular class. If you wish to argue with that, go ahead - that is what this site is for. But please do not make vacuous insults.
billy Ironlady was asking why she pays the high rate of council tax yet doesn't even see street cleaners?
As with the case of the murdered lady you don't have to be mega rich to live in Ocean village.
Many have saved or sold their family homes to move into apartments there yet have to pay high taxes so why shouldn't they expect at least the same as other areas?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: billy the kid needs to grow up[/p][/quote]This sort of unqualified, deliberate provocation is being treated harshly by the site moderators now. Why should I have to tolerate your insulting abuse ? You have not bothered to offer any explanation for your personal attack on my integrity. I, and several other commenters have expressed dismay at IronLady's discriminatory attitude towards a particular class. If you wish to argue with that, go ahead - that is what this site is for. But please do not make vacuous insults.[/p][/quote]billy Ironlady was asking why she pays the high rate of council tax yet doesn't even see street cleaners? As with the case of the murdered lady you don't have to be mega rich to live in Ocean village. Many have saved or sold their family homes to move into apartments there yet have to pay high taxes so why shouldn't they expect at least the same as other areas? loosehead
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7:55pm Sun 23 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
SaintM wrote:
billy the kid needs to grow up
This sort of unqualified, deliberate provocation is being treated harshly by the site moderators now.

Why should I have to tolerate your insulting abuse ? You have not bothered to offer any explanation for your personal attack on my integrity.

I, and several other commenters have expressed dismay at IronLady's discriminatory attitude towards a particular class. If you wish to argue with that, go ahead - that is what this site is for. But please do not make vacuous insults.
billy Ironlady was asking why she pays the high rate of council tax yet doesn't even see street cleaners?
As with the case of the murdered lady you don't have to be mega rich to live in Ocean village.
Many have saved or sold their family homes to move into apartments there yet have to pay high taxes so why shouldn't they expect at least the same as other areas?
Come on, Loosehead, we are all quite familiar with Iron Lady's theatrical, upper-class character role that she uses to get away with making condecending and mildly offensive comments. I shall never forget her reply to someone a few weeks ago :"Dear me. You made me laugh so much I nearly spilt my wine !" Very pretentious.

But that is none of our business UNTIL she uses her role to make an offensive comment relating to council tenants, as she has done here. She has suggested that the council should not spend money rejuvenating their own run-down council areas as there is a problem with vandalism ! The whole concept of her statement is utterly crass. I'm not going to waste any more time or words pointing out the obvious.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: billy the kid needs to grow up[/p][/quote]This sort of unqualified, deliberate provocation is being treated harshly by the site moderators now. Why should I have to tolerate your insulting abuse ? You have not bothered to offer any explanation for your personal attack on my integrity. I, and several other commenters have expressed dismay at IronLady's discriminatory attitude towards a particular class. If you wish to argue with that, go ahead - that is what this site is for. But please do not make vacuous insults.[/p][/quote]billy Ironlady was asking why she pays the high rate of council tax yet doesn't even see street cleaners? As with the case of the murdered lady you don't have to be mega rich to live in Ocean village. Many have saved or sold their family homes to move into apartments there yet have to pay high taxes so why shouldn't they expect at least the same as other areas?[/p][/quote]Come on, Loosehead, we are all quite familiar with Iron Lady's theatrical, upper-class character role that she uses to get away with making condecending and mildly offensive comments. I shall never forget her reply to someone a few weeks ago :"Dear me. You made me laugh so much I nearly spilt my wine !" Very pretentious. But that is none of our business UNTIL she uses her role to make an offensive comment relating to council tenants, as she has done here. She has suggested that the council should not spend money rejuvenating their own run-down council areas as there is a problem with vandalism ! The whole concept of her statement is utterly crass. I'm not going to waste any more time or words pointing out the obvious. BillyTheKid
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8:04pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Maine Lobster says...

I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon! Maine Lobster
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9:13pm Sun 23 Sep 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
SaintM wrote:
billy the kid needs to grow up
This sort of unqualified, deliberate provocation is being treated harshly by the site moderators now.

Why should I have to tolerate your insulting abuse ? You have not bothered to offer any explanation for your personal attack on my integrity.

I, and several other commenters have expressed dismay at IronLady's discriminatory attitude towards a particular class. If you wish to argue with that, go ahead - that is what this site is for. But please do not make vacuous insults.
billy Ironlady was asking why she pays the high rate of council tax yet doesn't even see street cleaners?
As with the case of the murdered lady you don't have to be mega rich to live in Ocean village.
Many have saved or sold their family homes to move into apartments there yet have to pay high taxes so why shouldn't they expect at least the same as other areas?
Come on, Loosehead, we are all quite familiar with Iron Lady's theatrical, upper-class character role that she uses to get away with making condecending and mildly offensive comments. I shall never forget her reply to someone a few weeks ago :"Dear me. You made me laugh so much I nearly spilt my wine !" Very pretentious.

But that is none of our business UNTIL she uses her role to make an offensive comment relating to council tenants, as she has done here. She has suggested that the council should not spend money rejuvenating their own run-down council areas as there is a problem with vandalism ! The whole concept of her statement is utterly crass. I'm not going to waste any more time or words pointing out the obvious.
Billy I come from a council back ground.
My dad repaired the house & kept his garden in excellent conditions even the worse tenants aren't like they are now.
I don't want to tarnish them all with the same brush as I've seen ones who take pride in their properties.
But there seems to be a new style of thought amongst many tenants ( council/housing ****.) where if any work needs to be done it should be by the landlord & that could be painting a window frame or mowing the lawn.
they seem to want a house/apartment but they seem to have no pride in the fact it's theirs whilst they pay rent or the social pays it.
this brings down the area & makes it bad for all of them even the ones who feel it's theirs & they should look after it.
By mixing social housing with private the idea was if you put the two together you would give them the sense of pride but in some cases this is wrong & what could be good areas have been bought down try looking at Barons Mead & look at where tipping has occurred & you'll see those social tenants dump what they don't want behind or to the sides of their houses & expect the council to remove it.
I'm not against council homes or tenants but there should be more responsibility on the upkeep of the property & the area by the tenants
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: billy the kid needs to grow up[/p][/quote]This sort of unqualified, deliberate provocation is being treated harshly by the site moderators now. Why should I have to tolerate your insulting abuse ? You have not bothered to offer any explanation for your personal attack on my integrity. I, and several other commenters have expressed dismay at IronLady's discriminatory attitude towards a particular class. If you wish to argue with that, go ahead - that is what this site is for. But please do not make vacuous insults.[/p][/quote]billy Ironlady was asking why she pays the high rate of council tax yet doesn't even see street cleaners? As with the case of the murdered lady you don't have to be mega rich to live in Ocean village. Many have saved or sold their family homes to move into apartments there yet have to pay high taxes so why shouldn't they expect at least the same as other areas?[/p][/quote]Come on, Loosehead, we are all quite familiar with Iron Lady's theatrical, upper-class character role that she uses to get away with making condecending and mildly offensive comments. I shall never forget her reply to someone a few weeks ago :"Dear me. You made me laugh so much I nearly spilt my wine !" Very pretentious. But that is none of our business UNTIL she uses her role to make an offensive comment relating to council tenants, as she has done here. She has suggested that the council should not spend money rejuvenating their own run-down council areas as there is a problem with vandalism ! The whole concept of her statement is utterly crass. I'm not going to waste any more time or words pointing out the obvious.[/p][/quote]Billy I come from a council back ground. My dad repaired the house & kept his garden in excellent conditions even the worse tenants aren't like they are now. I don't want to tarnish them all with the same brush as I've seen ones who take pride in their properties. But there seems to be a new style of thought amongst many tenants ( council/housing ****.) where if any work needs to be done it should be by the landlord & that could be painting a window frame or mowing the lawn. they seem to want a house/apartment but they seem to have no pride in the fact it's theirs whilst they pay rent or the social pays it. this brings down the area & makes it bad for all of them even the ones who feel it's theirs & they should look after it. By mixing social housing with private the idea was if you put the two together you would give them the sense of pride but in some cases this is wrong & what could be good areas have been bought down try looking at Barons Mead & look at where tipping has occurred & you'll see those social tenants dump what they don't want behind or to the sides of their houses & expect the council to remove it. I'm not against council homes or tenants but there should be more responsibility on the upkeep of the property & the area by the tenants loosehead
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9:26pm Sun 23 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol !

I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ! BillyTheKid
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9:35pm Sun 23 Sep 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol !

I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it? loosehead
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11:08pm Sun 23 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol !

I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story.

Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character.

If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic. BillyTheKid
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8:59am Mon 24 Sep 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol !

I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story.

Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character.

If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
My title is Loosehead & if people actually know what a loosehead is I could be referred to as a upperclass snob .
some think that only rich or middle class kids play Rugby but then go & pay up to £1,000 a year to watch football I couldn't afford it?
Ironlady maybe calls herself that name because here was a politician who never lied told you what she was going to do & did it no matter who liked it & who didn't like it.
most people even those who hate her admit she did exactly what she said she would & admire her for that but abhorred her policies
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.[/p][/quote]My title is Loosehead & if people actually know what a loosehead is I could be referred to as a upperclass snob . some think that only rich or middle class kids play Rugby but then go & pay up to £1,000 a year to watch football I couldn't afford it? Ironlady maybe calls herself that name because here was a politician who never lied told you what she was going to do & did it no matter who liked it & who didn't like it. most people even those who hate her admit she did exactly what she said she would & admire her for that but abhorred her policies loosehead
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9:39am Mon 24 Sep 12

sotonboy84 says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments. sotonboy84
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2:25pm Mon 24 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.
If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher.

It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it.

The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic.

I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments.

Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full.

I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.[/p][/quote]If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher. It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it. The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic. I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments. Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full. I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend. BillyTheKid
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3:14pm Mon 24 Sep 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.
If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher.

It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it.

The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic.

I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments.

Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full.

I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.
Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this .
why not have a union,Labour Southy site?
This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong.
If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down
We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.[/p][/quote]If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher. It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it. The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic. I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments. Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full. I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.[/p][/quote]Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this . why not have a union,Labour Southy site? This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong. If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this? loosehead
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4:15pm Mon 24 Sep 12

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.
If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher. It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it. The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic. I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments. Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full. I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.
Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this . why not have a union,Labour Southy site? This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong. If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?
Well said. Seems like Billy just reports people or throws around threats of reporting people if they don't agree to his point of view.
My opinions differ to Billy's but I'm allowed to have my opinions. You can report me all you like Billy, I haven't done anything wrong. The evidence exists that Ironlady expressed her opinion which you did not agree with. She refused to justify herself to you but then you carried on writing posts about her opinions and dragging her into every one and dragging up previous opinions of hers on completely unrelated news stories. Her opinions are related to the news story in question whereas you were using the post to attack her personally. If that isn't bullying, then I really do have my wires crossed.
You need to get a grip, mate. Take a deep breath and stop tapping at the keyboard so furiously.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.[/p][/quote]If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher. It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it. The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic. I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments. Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full. I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.[/p][/quote]Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this . why not have a union,Labour Southy site? This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong. If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?[/p][/quote]Well said. Seems like Billy just reports people or throws around threats of reporting people if they don't agree to his point of view. My opinions differ to Billy's but I'm allowed to have my opinions. You can report me all you like Billy, I haven't done anything wrong. The evidence exists that Ironlady expressed her opinion which you did not agree with. She refused to justify herself to you but then you carried on writing posts about her opinions and dragging her into every one and dragging up previous opinions of hers on completely unrelated news stories. Her opinions are related to the news story in question whereas you were using the post to attack her personally. If that isn't bullying, then I really do have my wires crossed. You need to get a grip, mate. Take a deep breath and stop tapping at the keyboard so furiously. sotonboy84
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5:21pm Mon 24 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.
If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher. It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it. The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic. I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments. Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full. I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.
Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this . why not have a union,Labour Southy site? This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong. If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?
Well said. Seems like Billy just reports people or throws around threats of reporting people if they don't agree to his point of view.
My opinions differ to Billy's but I'm allowed to have my opinions. You can report me all you like Billy, I haven't done anything wrong. The evidence exists that Ironlady expressed her opinion which you did not agree with. She refused to justify herself to you but then you carried on writing posts about her opinions and dragging her into every one and dragging up previous opinions of hers on completely unrelated news stories. Her opinions are related to the news story in question whereas you were using the post to attack her personally. If that isn't bullying, then I really do have my wires crossed.
You need to get a grip, mate. Take a deep breath and stop tapping at the keyboard so furiously.
You are talking absolute insulting rubbish, you know it, so get off my case, sotonboy. I am not in the slightest bit interested in your childish windup.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.[/p][/quote]If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher. It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it. The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic. I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments. Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full. I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.[/p][/quote]Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this . why not have a union,Labour Southy site? This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong. If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?[/p][/quote]Well said. Seems like Billy just reports people or throws around threats of reporting people if they don't agree to his point of view. My opinions differ to Billy's but I'm allowed to have my opinions. You can report me all you like Billy, I haven't done anything wrong. The evidence exists that Ironlady expressed her opinion which you did not agree with. She refused to justify herself to you but then you carried on writing posts about her opinions and dragging her into every one and dragging up previous opinions of hers on completely unrelated news stories. Her opinions are related to the news story in question whereas you were using the post to attack her personally. If that isn't bullying, then I really do have my wires crossed. You need to get a grip, mate. Take a deep breath and stop tapping at the keyboard so furiously.[/p][/quote]You are talking absolute insulting rubbish, you know it, so get off my case, sotonboy. I am not in the slightest bit interested in your childish windup. BillyTheKid
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7:15pm Mon 24 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.
If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher.

It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it.

The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic.

I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments.

Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full.

I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.
Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this .
why not have a union,Labour Southy site?
This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong.
If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down
We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?
IronLady2010 says...
5:57pm Sat 22 Sep 12


Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................

......”

Just READ it all over and over again, Loosehead, until it sinks in EXACTLY what these two people are saying.

Bb5061 criticizes a government decision. However, Ironlady thinks it is only a "LITTLE unfair" to say that the majority do not pay tax. So who is she talking about ? The majority of people who live on council estates, that's who. She is implying it would be FAIR to say that the majority of people living on council estates do not pay tax. Based on what facts and statistics ? A rough estimate, in normal circumstances, is 30% not paying tax because they are disabled or unemployed. In times of recession, it has gone above 50%, but that is hardly justification for stating that the majority of council tenants do not pat tax ever ! I got these figures through research on the internet, but it is not terribly reliable because – guess what – people’s financial affairs are classified as protected data. So any comment on this matter can only be speculation.
She goes on to express her dismay at councils “ploughing money into council estates only for them to suffer from vandals” and…….from “etc.” ! So who is doing the vandalising ? The police ? Local authority workers ? The Ancient Order of Oddfellows ? Angry Tory tax payers ? Could it be she thinks the council tenants are deliberately destroying their own homes ? Now I know it’s not very likely, but the damage could be being perpetrated by a small gang of disaffected youths with little hope of escaping their working class background……..no ! Couldn’t be that could it ? And what of the resoundingly emotive, mysterious “etc” ? What etceteras could she mean ? Extreme gardening ? Eccentric door painting ? Excessive reception of television signals ? Or does she mean the drugs, violence, rape, burglary, prostitution – you know, all those awful things council tenants get up to, dear ? Well, what do YOU think she means, if you are honest ? She means why throw good money after bad – they’re not worth it. THAT is what she means !
If there are problems on council estates, they need alleviating, not ignoring. It is our duty, living in a country based on a Christian foundation, to help those in need, no matter how distasteful those needs may appear to be. That is not an opinion, it is a fact of life. If it isn’t, then our civilisation is doomed.
Then our Ironlady finishes off with a little moan about how she works hard to earn more money, only to have to give some to help others ! “Oh well…..” she says. Perhaps the unemployed should be compelled to send out letters of gratitude to all those supporting them ? Perhaps the unemployed should be seen as criminals and forced to do community service until they get a job. Ironlady would love that : the unemployed working class cleaning her car and mowing her lawn. Just till they get a proper job, dear !
I will always condemn those who discriminate on grounds of class and social circumstances, and anyone promoting viewpoints that are dismissive of any social group. I thought we had all learned the lesson of the dangers of national socialism.
There you are, Loosehead. That’s me exercising my right to free speech ! Over to you.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.[/p][/quote]If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher. It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it. The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic. I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments. Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full. I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.[/p][/quote]Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this . why not have a union,Labour Southy site? This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong. If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?[/p][/quote]IronLady2010 says... 5:57pm Sat 22 Sep 12 Bb5061 wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal? A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......” Just READ it all over and over again, Loosehead, until it sinks in EXACTLY what these two people are saying. Bb5061 criticizes a government decision. However, Ironlady thinks it is only a "LITTLE unfair" to say that the majority do not pay tax. So who is she talking about ? The majority of people who live on council estates, that's who. She is implying it would be FAIR to say that the majority of people living on council estates do not pay tax. Based on what facts and statistics ? A rough estimate, in normal circumstances, is 30% not paying tax because they are disabled or unemployed. In times of recession, it has gone above 50%, but that is hardly justification for stating that the majority of council tenants do not pat tax ever ! I got these figures through research on the internet, but it is not terribly reliable because – guess what – people’s financial affairs are classified as protected data. So any comment on this matter can only be speculation. She goes on to express her dismay at councils “ploughing money into council estates only for them to suffer from vandals” and…….from “etc.” ! So who is doing the vandalising ? The police ? Local authority workers ? The Ancient Order of Oddfellows ? Angry Tory tax payers ? Could it be she thinks the council tenants are deliberately destroying their own homes ? Now I know it’s not very likely, but the damage could be being perpetrated by a small gang of disaffected youths with little hope of escaping their working class background……..no ! Couldn’t be that could it ? And what of the resoundingly emotive, mysterious “etc” ? What etceteras could she mean ? Extreme gardening ? Eccentric door painting ? Excessive reception of television signals ? Or does she mean the drugs, violence, rape, burglary, prostitution – you know, all those awful things council tenants get up to, dear ? Well, what do YOU think she means, if you are honest ? She means why throw good money after bad – they’re not worth it. THAT is what she means ! If there are problems on council estates, they need alleviating, not ignoring. It is our duty, living in a country based on a Christian foundation, to help those in need, no matter how distasteful those needs may appear to be. That is not an opinion, it is a fact of life. If it isn’t, then our civilisation is doomed. Then our Ironlady finishes off with a little moan about how she works hard to earn more money, only to have to give some to help others ! “Oh well…..” she says. Perhaps the unemployed should be compelled to send out letters of gratitude to all those supporting them ? Perhaps the unemployed should be seen as criminals and forced to do community service until they get a job. Ironlady would love that : the unemployed working class cleaning her car and mowing her lawn. Just till they get a proper job, dear ! I will always condemn those who discriminate on grounds of class and social circumstances, and anyone promoting viewpoints that are dismissive of any social group. I thought we had all learned the lesson of the dangers of national socialism. There you are, Loosehead. That’s me exercising my right to free speech ! Over to you. BillyTheKid
  • Score: 0

9:26pm Mon 24 Sep 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.
If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher.

It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it.

The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic.

I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments.

Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full.

I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.
Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this .
why not have a union,Labour Southy site?
This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong.
If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down
We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?
IronLady2010 says...
5:57pm Sat 22 Sep 12


Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................


......”

Just READ it all over and over again, Loosehead, until it sinks in EXACTLY what these two people are saying.

Bb5061 criticizes a government decision. However, Ironlady thinks it is only a "LITTLE unfair" to say that the majority do not pay tax. So who is she talking about ? The majority of people who live on council estates, that's who. She is implying it would be FAIR to say that the majority of people living on council estates do not pay tax. Based on what facts and statistics ? A rough estimate, in normal circumstances, is 30% not paying tax because they are disabled or unemployed. In times of recession, it has gone above 50%, but that is hardly justification for stating that the majority of council tenants do not pat tax ever ! I got these figures through research on the internet, but it is not terribly reliable because – guess what – people’s financial affairs are classified as protected data. So any comment on this matter can only be speculation.
She goes on to express her dismay at councils “ploughing money into council estates only for them to suffer from vandals” and…….from “etc.” ! So who is doing the vandalising ? The police ? Local authority workers ? The Ancient Order of Oddfellows ? Angry Tory tax payers ? Could it be she thinks the council tenants are deliberately destroying their own homes ? Now I know it’s not very likely, but the damage could be being perpetrated by a small gang of disaffected youths with little hope of escaping their working class background……..no ! Couldn’t be that could it ? And what of the resoundingly emotive, mysterious “etc” ? What etceteras could she mean ? Extreme gardening ? Eccentric door painting ? Excessive reception of television signals ? Or does she mean the drugs, violence, rape, burglary, prostitution – you know, all those awful things council tenants get up to, dear ? Well, what do YOU think she means, if you are honest ? She means why throw good money after bad – they’re not worth it. THAT is what she means !
If there are problems on council estates, they need alleviating, not ignoring. It is our duty, living in a country based on a Christian foundation, to help those in need, no matter how distasteful those needs may appear to be. That is not an opinion, it is a fact of life. If it isn’t, then our civilisation is doomed.
Then our Ironlady finishes off with a little moan about how she works hard to earn more money, only to have to give some to help others ! “Oh well…..” she says. Perhaps the unemployed should be compelled to send out letters of gratitude to all those supporting them ? Perhaps the unemployed should be seen as criminals and forced to do community service until they get a job. Ironlady would love that : the unemployed working class cleaning her car and mowing her lawn. Just till they get a proper job, dear !
I will always condemn those who discriminate on grounds of class and social circumstances, and anyone promoting viewpoints that are dismissive of any social group. I thought we had all learned the lesson of the dangers of national socialism.
There you are, Loosehead. That’s me exercising my right to free speech ! Over to you.
Try going around council estates or social housing or try going to the flats by Foyes corner & you'll see loads of people who pay no tax but want it all.
Billy I'm getting a company pension, I was made redundant I went to the Job Centre & asked if they could pay my N.I stamp & I would live on my redundancy money until I could find a job or collected my early pension they said NO.
I worked 25years at BAT I worked 80 hour weeks some times I would pay at least £500 a month tax plus God knows how much N.I yet I didn't warrant any dole or any type of help?
I went & did level 1 ECDL & I got no help paying for it even though I was trying to get another avenue for work so I paid for it myself.
In my class there were many who'd never worked never wanted to work & the Social was paying for their course how can you tell me this is an equal society or a fair one?
It's now all for those who don't want to earn but want it all
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.[/p][/quote]If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher. It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it. The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic. I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments. Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full. I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.[/p][/quote]Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this . why not have a union,Labour Southy site? This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong. If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?[/p][/quote]IronLady2010 says... 5:57pm Sat 22 Sep 12 Bb5061 wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal? A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......” Just READ it all over and over again, Loosehead, until it sinks in EXACTLY what these two people are saying. Bb5061 criticizes a government decision. However, Ironlady thinks it is only a "LITTLE unfair" to say that the majority do not pay tax. So who is she talking about ? The majority of people who live on council estates, that's who. She is implying it would be FAIR to say that the majority of people living on council estates do not pay tax. Based on what facts and statistics ? A rough estimate, in normal circumstances, is 30% not paying tax because they are disabled or unemployed. In times of recession, it has gone above 50%, but that is hardly justification for stating that the majority of council tenants do not pat tax ever ! I got these figures through research on the internet, but it is not terribly reliable because – guess what – people’s financial affairs are classified as protected data. So any comment on this matter can only be speculation. She goes on to express her dismay at councils “ploughing money into council estates only for them to suffer from vandals” and…….from “etc.” ! So who is doing the vandalising ? The police ? Local authority workers ? The Ancient Order of Oddfellows ? Angry Tory tax payers ? Could it be she thinks the council tenants are deliberately destroying their own homes ? Now I know it’s not very likely, but the damage could be being perpetrated by a small gang of disaffected youths with little hope of escaping their working class background……..no ! Couldn’t be that could it ? And what of the resoundingly emotive, mysterious “etc” ? What etceteras could she mean ? Extreme gardening ? Eccentric door painting ? Excessive reception of television signals ? Or does she mean the drugs, violence, rape, burglary, prostitution – you know, all those awful things council tenants get up to, dear ? Well, what do YOU think she means, if you are honest ? She means why throw good money after bad – they’re not worth it. THAT is what she means ! If there are problems on council estates, they need alleviating, not ignoring. It is our duty, living in a country based on a Christian foundation, to help those in need, no matter how distasteful those needs may appear to be. That is not an opinion, it is a fact of life. If it isn’t, then our civilisation is doomed. Then our Ironlady finishes off with a little moan about how she works hard to earn more money, only to have to give some to help others ! “Oh well…..” she says. Perhaps the unemployed should be compelled to send out letters of gratitude to all those supporting them ? Perhaps the unemployed should be seen as criminals and forced to do community service until they get a job. Ironlady would love that : the unemployed working class cleaning her car and mowing her lawn. Just till they get a proper job, dear ! I will always condemn those who discriminate on grounds of class and social circumstances, and anyone promoting viewpoints that are dismissive of any social group. I thought we had all learned the lesson of the dangers of national socialism. There you are, Loosehead. That’s me exercising my right to free speech ! Over to you.[/p][/quote]Try going around council estates or social housing or try going to the flats by Foyes corner & you'll see loads of people who pay no tax but want it all. Billy I'm getting a company pension, I was made redundant I went to the Job Centre & asked if they could pay my N.I stamp & I would live on my redundancy money until I could find a job or collected my early pension they said NO. I worked 25years at BAT I worked 80 hour weeks some times I would pay at least £500 a month tax plus God knows how much N.I yet I didn't warrant any dole or any type of help? I went & did level 1 ECDL & I got no help paying for it even though I was trying to get another avenue for work so I paid for it myself. In my class there were many who'd never worked never wanted to work & the Social was paying for their course how can you tell me this is an equal society or a fair one? It's now all for those who don't want to earn but want it all loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:42pm Mon 24 Sep 12

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon!
Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol !
Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?
This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.
I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.
If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher.

It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it.

The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic.

I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments.

Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full.

I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.
Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this .
why not have a union,Labour Southy site?
This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong.
If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down
We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?
IronLady2010 says...
5:57pm Sat 22 Sep 12


Bb5061 wrote:
I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal?
A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax.
Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc.

Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area.

We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax.

The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised.

Oh well................



......”

Just READ it all over and over again, Loosehead, until it sinks in EXACTLY what these two people are saying.

Bb5061 criticizes a government decision. However, Ironlady thinks it is only a "LITTLE unfair" to say that the majority do not pay tax. So who is she talking about ? The majority of people who live on council estates, that's who. She is implying it would be FAIR to say that the majority of people living on council estates do not pay tax. Based on what facts and statistics ? A rough estimate, in normal circumstances, is 30% not paying tax because they are disabled or unemployed. In times of recession, it has gone above 50%, but that is hardly justification for stating that the majority of council tenants do not pat tax ever ! I got these figures through research on the internet, but it is not terribly reliable because – guess what – people’s financial affairs are classified as protected data. So any comment on this matter can only be speculation.
She goes on to express her dismay at councils “ploughing money into council estates only for them to suffer from vandals” and…….from “etc.” ! So who is doing the vandalising ? The police ? Local authority workers ? The Ancient Order of Oddfellows ? Angry Tory tax payers ? Could it be she thinks the council tenants are deliberately destroying their own homes ? Now I know it’s not very likely, but the damage could be being perpetrated by a small gang of disaffected youths with little hope of escaping their working class background……..no ! Couldn’t be that could it ? And what of the resoundingly emotive, mysterious “etc” ? What etceteras could she mean ? Extreme gardening ? Eccentric door painting ? Excessive reception of television signals ? Or does she mean the drugs, violence, rape, burglary, prostitution – you know, all those awful things council tenants get up to, dear ? Well, what do YOU think she means, if you are honest ? She means why throw good money after bad – they’re not worth it. THAT is what she means !
If there are problems on council estates, they need alleviating, not ignoring. It is our duty, living in a country based on a Christian foundation, to help those in need, no matter how distasteful those needs may appear to be. That is not an opinion, it is a fact of life. If it isn’t, then our civilisation is doomed.
Then our Ironlady finishes off with a little moan about how she works hard to earn more money, only to have to give some to help others ! “Oh well…..” she says. Perhaps the unemployed should be compelled to send out letters of gratitude to all those supporting them ? Perhaps the unemployed should be seen as criminals and forced to do community service until they get a job. Ironlady would love that : the unemployed working class cleaning her car and mowing her lawn. Just till they get a proper job, dear !
I will always condemn those who discriminate on grounds of class and social circumstances, and anyone promoting viewpoints that are dismissive of any social group. I thought we had all learned the lesson of the dangers of national socialism.
There you are, Loosehead. That’s me exercising my right to free speech ! Over to you.
Try going around council estates or social housing or try going to the flats by Foyes corner & you'll see loads of people who pay no tax but want it all.
Billy I'm getting a company pension, I was made redundant I went to the Job Centre & asked if they could pay my N.I stamp & I would live on my redundancy money until I could find a job or collected my early pension they said NO.
I worked 25years at BAT I worked 80 hour weeks some times I would pay at least £500 a month tax plus God knows how much N.I yet I didn't warrant any dole or any type of help?
I went & did level 1 ECDL & I got no help paying for it even though I was trying to get another avenue for work so I paid for it myself.
In my class there were many who'd never worked never wanted to work & the Social was paying for their course how can you tell me this is an equal society or a fair one?
It's now all for those who don't want to earn but want it all
Ahhhhh, I see what the problem is here Billy, you really hate middle class people. Maybe it's because you really want to be accepted by them but have always been rejected.
I have come to this conclusion as you have become obsessed with personally attacking Ironlady and her opinions and although you fly the flag for class inequality, you're the one assuming Ironlady has a butler and sits around drinking wine. How is this any different to people assuming council tennants don't pay tax? it's not. It's just again an example that unless people don't agree to your opinions and ideals, they all must be wrong. What an arrogant narrow minded view to have.
As for your statistics, they are just completely pointless. But you did raise a very valid point about those claiming benefits carrying out community service - what a wondeful idea. Something we both agree on - hurrah! If these people worked for their money and gave back to their community, they might take a little more pride in their lives and not just expect handouts for sitting around all day. Well done Billy!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I would like to buy you a drink Billy - presumably not cabernet-sauvignon![/p][/quote]Lol ! I had visions of iron Lady, having finished dinner, saying, " Jeeves, bring some more wine, please. And the laptop. Oh....and tune it in to that Echo chat forum thingy, would you ?" Lol ![/p][/quote]Funny how her husbands a member of Unite if she's the person you two make her out to be isn't it?[/p][/quote]This the internet, Loosehead, the virtual stage whereon some people play themselves, some play a version of themselves, while others create a completely new identity. This is why I called Georgem "the Dwarf" a while back, in reference to the Ray Bradbury story. Having had problems with rude, aggressive people here in the past, my recent initial excursion as Billy The Kid was designed to forewarn hostiles to expect trouble if they deliberately annoyed me ! It was by no means a reflection of my true nature and character. If Iron Lady is the owner of a successful laundry business as she says she is, I would have expected her to have been a little more "sympathique" if she was playing herself. However, I feel sure she is using the ambiguity of her nickname to hint at Margaret Thatcher and an upper class Tory attitude enabling her to act as some kind of "agent provocateur" here. Her comments above are classic.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find, Billy, that you're actually coming across as a bit of a bully. Ironlady is entitled to her opinions, they are her opinions. She has not responded to you for some time but you have dragged her into each new post that you have written. You keep banging on about how the posts are being watched and Ironlady should be reported, merely for having an opinion so let's hope that you too are also being watched and will be reported for bullying and enticing arguments.[/p][/quote]If you had visited this forum regularly over the last 6 months and read many of the threads right through, you would have noticed that I was targetted by several regular commenters here who doubled as trolls. This happened because I fought back when they were having a high old time getting away with insulting whoever they randomly selected. They swore at me, twisted my words, ridiculed the fact that I was a retired teacher, made very offensive and unjustified comments about my integrity and made unjustified assumptions about my competence as a teacher. It was a vile and unpleasant experience, and I have had a number of discussions with Dan Kerins about it. The forum IS being monitored by Newsquest at the moment to discover strategies that will deter determined trolls, and, people who troll occasionally, or when they are victimised - sort of "revenge" tactic. I do not approve of class distinction or discrimination, and IronLady has made many comments in the past that are mildly offensive in that vain. It may not be illegal to make class-conscious statements, but it is as equally as disturbing and upsetting as racist comments. Whether you like it or not, there are opinions that are not welcome here by the site admnistrators, and will result in warnings. Read the Site terms in full. I am reporting you for accusing me, unjustifiably, of bullying. Enciting (not enticing) argument is how you get a good discussion going ! A Devil's advocate or agent provocateur approach is a perfectly acceptable device to use in discussion providing it is designed to elicit viewpoints, not simply to offend.[/p][/quote]Billy I have been attacked & vilified & had numerous insults but if you're saying I can't attack people who expect all the perks in life but never want to work to earn them or the fact if I had worked my socks off & now lived in relative luxury that these so called socialists wanted to take my hard earned life to give to the lay abouts then they should say this . why not have a union,Labour Southy site? This is a debating site for all to put their point of view over & to listen with an open mind & maybe realise they were wrong. If you're saying Ironlady will not be able to post on here because of her view point then I personally would call for this site to be shut down We have the right to freedom of speech are you & the Echo against this?[/p][/quote]IronLady2010 says... 5:57pm Sat 22 Sep 12 Bb5061 wrote: I don't understand why 100 million pounds of tax payers money (or credit) which the tax payer will pay for, should be spent on a part of society which to a large extent, does not pay tax. Is there not a sense of injustice in this proposal? A little unfair to say the majority don't pay tax. Although I do get frustrated that the Council plough money into Council Estates only for them to suffer from Vandals etc. Due to our property banding we pay more in Council Tax and yet receive less services as we look after our own area. We have no litter pickers, no gardeners etc as we do all this ourselves yet pay more in Council Tax. The harder you work and the more you earn, the more you are penalised. Oh well................ ......” Just READ it all over and over again, Loosehead, until it sinks in EXACTLY what these two people are saying. Bb5061 criticizes a government decision. However, Ironlady thinks it is only a "LITTLE unfair" to say that the majority do not pay tax. So who is she talking about ? The majority of people who live on council estates, that's who. She is implying it would be FAIR to say that the majority of people living on council estates do not pay tax. Based on what facts and statistics ? A rough estimate, in normal circumstances, is 30% not paying tax because they are disabled or unemployed. In times of recession, it has gone above 50%, but that is hardly justification for stating that the majority of council tenants do not pat tax ever ! I got these figures through research on the internet, but it is not terribly reliable because – guess what – people’s financial affairs are classified as protected data. So any comment on this matter can only be speculation. She goes on to express her dismay at councils “ploughing money into council estates only for them to suffer from vandals” and…….from “etc.” ! So who is doing the vandalising ? The police ? Local authority workers ? The Ancient Order of Oddfellows ? Angry Tory tax payers ? Could it be she thinks the council tenants are deliberately destroying their own homes ? Now I know it’s not very likely, but the damage could be being perpetrated by a small gang of disaffected youths with little hope of escaping their working class background……..no ! Couldn’t be that could it ? And what of the resoundingly emotive, mysterious “etc” ? What etceteras could she mean ? Extreme gardening ? Eccentric door painting ? Excessive reception of television signals ? Or does she mean the drugs, violence, rape, burglary, prostitution – you know, all those awful things council tenants get up to, dear ? Well, what do YOU think she means, if you are honest ? She means why throw good money after bad – they’re not worth it. THAT is what she means ! If there are problems on council estates, they need alleviating, not ignoring. It is our duty, living in a country based on a Christian foundation, to help those in need, no matter how distasteful those needs may appear to be. That is not an opinion, it is a fact of life. If it isn’t, then our civilisation is doomed. Then our Ironlady finishes off with a little moan about how she works hard to earn more money, only to have to give some to help others ! “Oh well…..” she says. Perhaps the unemployed should be compelled to send out letters of gratitude to all those supporting them ? Perhaps the unemployed should be seen as criminals and forced to do community service until they get a job. Ironlady would love that : the unemployed working class cleaning her car and mowing her lawn. Just till they get a proper job, dear ! I will always condemn those who discriminate on grounds of class and social circumstances, and anyone promoting viewpoints that are dismissive of any social group. I thought we had all learned the lesson of the dangers of national socialism. There you are, Loosehead. That’s me exercising my right to free speech ! Over to you.[/p][/quote]Try going around council estates or social housing or try going to the flats by Foyes corner & you'll see loads of people who pay no tax but want it all. Billy I'm getting a company pension, I was made redundant I went to the Job Centre & asked if they could pay my N.I stamp & I would live on my redundancy money until I could find a job or collected my early pension they said NO. I worked 25years at BAT I worked 80 hour weeks some times I would pay at least £500 a month tax plus God knows how much N.I yet I didn't warrant any dole or any type of help? I went & did level 1 ECDL & I got no help paying for it even though I was trying to get another avenue for work so I paid for it myself. In my class there were many who'd never worked never wanted to work & the Social was paying for their course how can you tell me this is an equal society or a fair one? It's now all for those who don't want to earn but want it all[/p][/quote]Ahhhhh, I see what the problem is here Billy, you really hate middle class people. Maybe it's because you really want to be accepted by them but have always been rejected. I have come to this conclusion as you have become obsessed with personally attacking Ironlady and her opinions and although you fly the flag for class inequality, you're the one assuming Ironlady has a butler and sits around drinking wine. How is this any different to people assuming council tennants don't pay tax? it's not. It's just again an example that unless people don't agree to your opinions and ideals, they all must be wrong. What an arrogant narrow minded view to have. As for your statistics, they are just completely pointless. But you did raise a very valid point about those claiming benefits carrying out community service - what a wondeful idea. Something we both agree on - hurrah! If these people worked for their money and gave back to their community, they might take a little more pride in their lives and not just expect handouts for sitting around all day. Well done Billy! sotonboy84
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12:48am Tue 25 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots.

First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination.......

This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti
l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID.

Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection
, night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long.

Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment.

Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net.

IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho !

Merry Christmas, Sotonboy !
All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy ! BillyTheKid
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7:00am Tue 25 Sep 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots.

First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination.......

This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti

l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID.

Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection

, night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long.

Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment.

Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net.

IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho !

Merry Christmas, Sotonboy !
Billy are you having problems?
I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy ![/p][/quote]Billy are you having problems? I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track? loosehead
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9:01am Tue 25 Sep 12

sotonboy84 says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy !
Riiiiiiiiiight......
.................
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy ![/p][/quote]Riiiiiiiiiight...... ................. sotonboy84
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1:51pm Tue 25 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots.

First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination.......

This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti


l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID.

Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection


, night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long.

Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment.

Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net.

IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho !

Merry Christmas, Sotonboy !
Billy are you having problems?
I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track?
Only a bit off track ? I must be slipping, Loosehead !

Most of the people who post here are convergent thinkers : they discuss only "the facts" as if they are at a finance meeting, trying to arrive at concrete decisions and conclusions
(what has happened, what do we think, what shall we do, etc). But I'm what they call a divergent thinker. I tend to step off the path, take an idea for a walk (like doodling), try to examine ideas and opinions from lots of different perspectives, particularly the "why" aspects (why has this happened, why do they think that, why do they think this is a solution, etc). I'm not the only one who does that here.

I've always felt that with any given situatuion or problem in life, we should ask as many questions as possible before attempting to think about possible solutions.

The Townhill Park rejuvenation scheme poses many far-reaching questions that need to be addressed before we argue about whether or not that money should be spent. If the social problems are not tackled, the estates will quickly become rundown again, and IronLady's fears will be perfectly justified. I'm not alone in refusing to subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't do anything for "these people who don't pay tax" because of some ludicrous "they don't deserve it, they won't appreciate it" theory.

Houses are like books. If you can afford to buy a new one, you tend to look after carefully. But if you can't afford a new one, you have to borrow one from a library, which always looks a bit battered and well-used. Most people treat the property they own better than the property they borrow. It's not a perfect analogy, but most of us can remember lending something and getting it back in a sorry state. Council houses are "borrowed property". Even when you've cleaned them up, there are still lots of dents, divits, and scars left behind by previous owners that can't be fixed easily. And the smell. It is never completely yours, like a ruler with someone elses initials scratched on it.

And sotonboy ? He was obviously trolling me, so I gave him a pile of hogwash that would take him a month of Sundays to troll ! I'm going to try stream of consciousness on the next troll !

This forum can become so inwardly focussed, with the same old posters saying the same old things..............
...................
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy ![/p][/quote]Billy are you having problems? I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track?[/p][/quote]Only a bit off track ? I must be slipping, Loosehead ! Most of the people who post here are convergent thinkers : they discuss only "the facts" as if they are at a finance meeting, trying to arrive at concrete decisions and conclusions (what has happened, what do we think, what shall we do, etc). But I'm what they call a divergent thinker. I tend to step off the path, take an idea for a walk (like doodling), try to examine ideas and opinions from lots of different perspectives, particularly the "why" aspects (why has this happened, why do they think that, why do they think this is a solution, etc). I'm not the only one who does that here. I've always felt that with any given situatuion or problem in life, we should ask as many questions as possible before attempting to think about possible solutions. The Townhill Park rejuvenation scheme poses many far-reaching questions that need to be addressed before we argue about whether or not that money should be spent. If the social problems are not tackled, the estates will quickly become rundown again, and IronLady's fears will be perfectly justified. I'm not alone in refusing to subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't do anything for "these people who don't pay tax" because of some ludicrous "they don't deserve it, they won't appreciate it" theory. Houses are like books. If you can afford to buy a new one, you tend to look after carefully. But if you can't afford a new one, you have to borrow one from a library, which always looks a bit battered and well-used. Most people treat the property they own better than the property they borrow. It's not a perfect analogy, but most of us can remember lending something and getting it back in a sorry state. Council houses are "borrowed property". Even when you've cleaned them up, there are still lots of dents, divits, and scars left behind by previous owners that can't be fixed easily. And the smell. It is never completely yours, like a ruler with someone elses initials scratched on it. And sotonboy ? He was obviously trolling me, so I gave him a pile of hogwash that would take him a month of Sundays to troll ! I'm going to try stream of consciousness on the next troll ! This forum can become so inwardly focussed, with the same old posters saying the same old things.............. ................... BillyTheKid
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3:34pm Tue 25 Sep 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots.

First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination.......

This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti



l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID.

Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection



, night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long.

Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment.

Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net.

IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho !

Merry Christmas, Sotonboy !
Billy are you having problems?
I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track?
Only a bit off track ? I must be slipping, Loosehead !

Most of the people who post here are convergent thinkers : they discuss only "the facts" as if they are at a finance meeting, trying to arrive at concrete decisions and conclusions
(what has happened, what do we think, what shall we do, etc). But I'm what they call a divergent thinker. I tend to step off the path, take an idea for a walk (like doodling), try to examine ideas and opinions from lots of different perspectives, particularly the "why" aspects (why has this happened, why do they think that, why do they think this is a solution, etc). I'm not the only one who does that here.

I've always felt that with any given situatuion or problem in life, we should ask as many questions as possible before attempting to think about possible solutions.

The Townhill Park rejuvenation scheme poses many far-reaching questions that need to be addressed before we argue about whether or not that money should be spent. If the social problems are not tackled, the estates will quickly become rundown again, and IronLady's fears will be perfectly justified. I'm not alone in refusing to subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't do anything for "these people who don't pay tax" because of some ludicrous "they don't deserve it, they won't appreciate it" theory.

Houses are like books. If you can afford to buy a new one, you tend to look after carefully. But if you can't afford a new one, you have to borrow one from a library, which always looks a bit battered and well-used. Most people treat the property they own better than the property they borrow. It's not a perfect analogy, but most of us can remember lending something and getting it back in a sorry state. Council houses are "borrowed property". Even when you've cleaned them up, there are still lots of dents, divits, and scars left behind by previous owners that can't be fixed easily. And the smell. It is never completely yours, like a ruler with someone elses initials scratched on it.

And sotonboy ? He was obviously trolling me, so I gave him a pile of hogwash that would take him a month of Sundays to troll ! I'm going to try stream of consciousness on the next troll !

This forum can become so inwardly focussed, with the same old posters saying the same old things..............

...................
So the locals want to keep the Copse they don't want an extra road but before this council changed a good Tory plan they never asked the locals.
They want to build many more properties but have they considered parking?
If this estate was having problems how does making it more high volume housing solve the problems?
if anything this will make the problems worse. why did they change it & spend an extra £50million ?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy ![/p][/quote]Billy are you having problems? I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track?[/p][/quote]Only a bit off track ? I must be slipping, Loosehead ! Most of the people who post here are convergent thinkers : they discuss only "the facts" as if they are at a finance meeting, trying to arrive at concrete decisions and conclusions (what has happened, what do we think, what shall we do, etc). But I'm what they call a divergent thinker. I tend to step off the path, take an idea for a walk (like doodling), try to examine ideas and opinions from lots of different perspectives, particularly the "why" aspects (why has this happened, why do they think that, why do they think this is a solution, etc). I'm not the only one who does that here. I've always felt that with any given situatuion or problem in life, we should ask as many questions as possible before attempting to think about possible solutions. The Townhill Park rejuvenation scheme poses many far-reaching questions that need to be addressed before we argue about whether or not that money should be spent. If the social problems are not tackled, the estates will quickly become rundown again, and IronLady's fears will be perfectly justified. I'm not alone in refusing to subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't do anything for "these people who don't pay tax" because of some ludicrous "they don't deserve it, they won't appreciate it" theory. Houses are like books. If you can afford to buy a new one, you tend to look after carefully. But if you can't afford a new one, you have to borrow one from a library, which always looks a bit battered and well-used. Most people treat the property they own better than the property they borrow. It's not a perfect analogy, but most of us can remember lending something and getting it back in a sorry state. Council houses are "borrowed property". Even when you've cleaned them up, there are still lots of dents, divits, and scars left behind by previous owners that can't be fixed easily. And the smell. It is never completely yours, like a ruler with someone elses initials scratched on it. And sotonboy ? He was obviously trolling me, so I gave him a pile of hogwash that would take him a month of Sundays to troll ! I'm going to try stream of consciousness on the next troll ! This forum can become so inwardly focussed, with the same old posters saying the same old things.............. ...................[/p][/quote]So the locals want to keep the Copse they don't want an extra road but before this council changed a good Tory plan they never asked the locals. They want to build many more properties but have they considered parking? If this estate was having problems how does making it more high volume housing solve the problems? if anything this will make the problems worse. why did they change it & spend an extra £50million ? loosehead
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3:42pm Tue 25 Sep 12

sotonboy84 says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote: All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy !
Billy are you having problems? I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track?
Only a bit off track ? I must be slipping, Loosehead ! Most of the people who post here are convergent thinkers : they discuss only "the facts" as if they are at a finance meeting, trying to arrive at concrete decisions and conclusions (what has happened, what do we think, what shall we do, etc). But I'm what they call a divergent thinker. I tend to step off the path, take an idea for a walk (like doodling), try to examine ideas and opinions from lots of different perspectives, particularly the "why" aspects (why has this happened, why do they think that, why do they think this is a solution, etc). I'm not the only one who does that here. I've always felt that with any given situatuion or problem in life, we should ask as many questions as possible before attempting to think about possible solutions. The Townhill Park rejuvenation scheme poses many far-reaching questions that need to be addressed before we argue about whether or not that money should be spent. If the social problems are not tackled, the estates will quickly become rundown again, and IronLady's fears will be perfectly justified. I'm not alone in refusing to subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't do anything for "these people who don't pay tax" because of some ludicrous "they don't deserve it, they won't appreciate it" theory. Houses are like books. If you can afford to buy a new one, you tend to look after carefully. But if you can't afford a new one, you have to borrow one from a library, which always looks a bit battered and well-used. Most people treat the property they own better than the property they borrow. It's not a perfect analogy, but most of us can remember lending something and getting it back in a sorry state. Council houses are "borrowed property". Even when you've cleaned them up, there are still lots of dents, divits, and scars left behind by previous owners that can't be fixed easily. And the smell. It is never completely yours, like a ruler with someone elses initials scratched on it. And sotonboy ? He was obviously trolling me, so I gave him a pile of hogwash that would take him a month of Sundays to troll ! I'm going to try stream of consciousness on the next troll ! This forum can become so inwardly focussed, with the same old posters saying the same old things.............. ...................
I see what you're saying Billy but all I hear is blah blah blah!
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy ![/p][/quote]Billy are you having problems? I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track?[/p][/quote]Only a bit off track ? I must be slipping, Loosehead ! Most of the people who post here are convergent thinkers : they discuss only "the facts" as if they are at a finance meeting, trying to arrive at concrete decisions and conclusions (what has happened, what do we think, what shall we do, etc). But I'm what they call a divergent thinker. I tend to step off the path, take an idea for a walk (like doodling), try to examine ideas and opinions from lots of different perspectives, particularly the "why" aspects (why has this happened, why do they think that, why do they think this is a solution, etc). I'm not the only one who does that here. I've always felt that with any given situatuion or problem in life, we should ask as many questions as possible before attempting to think about possible solutions. The Townhill Park rejuvenation scheme poses many far-reaching questions that need to be addressed before we argue about whether or not that money should be spent. If the social problems are not tackled, the estates will quickly become rundown again, and IronLady's fears will be perfectly justified. I'm not alone in refusing to subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't do anything for "these people who don't pay tax" because of some ludicrous "they don't deserve it, they won't appreciate it" theory. Houses are like books. If you can afford to buy a new one, you tend to look after carefully. But if you can't afford a new one, you have to borrow one from a library, which always looks a bit battered and well-used. Most people treat the property they own better than the property they borrow. It's not a perfect analogy, but most of us can remember lending something and getting it back in a sorry state. Council houses are "borrowed property". Even when you've cleaned them up, there are still lots of dents, divits, and scars left behind by previous owners that can't be fixed easily. And the smell. It is never completely yours, like a ruler with someone elses initials scratched on it. And sotonboy ? He was obviously trolling me, so I gave him a pile of hogwash that would take him a month of Sundays to troll ! I'm going to try stream of consciousness on the next troll ! This forum can become so inwardly focussed, with the same old posters saying the same old things.............. ...................[/p][/quote]I see what you're saying Billy but all I hear is blah blah blah! sotonboy84
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3:57pm Tue 25 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote: All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy !
Billy are you having problems? I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track?
Only a bit off track ? I must be slipping, Loosehead ! Most of the people who post here are convergent thinkers : they discuss only "the facts" as if they are at a finance meeting, trying to arrive at concrete decisions and conclusions (what has happened, what do we think, what shall we do, etc). But I'm what they call a divergent thinker. I tend to step off the path, take an idea for a walk (like doodling), try to examine ideas and opinions from lots of different perspectives, particularly the "why" aspects (why has this happened, why do they think that, why do they think this is a solution, etc). I'm not the only one who does that here. I've always felt that with any given situatuion or problem in life, we should ask as many questions as possible before attempting to think about possible solutions. The Townhill Park rejuvenation scheme poses many far-reaching questions that need to be addressed before we argue about whether or not that money should be spent. If the social problems are not tackled, the estates will quickly become rundown again, and IronLady's fears will be perfectly justified. I'm not alone in refusing to subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't do anything for "these people who don't pay tax" because of some ludicrous "they don't deserve it, they won't appreciate it" theory. Houses are like books. If you can afford to buy a new one, you tend to look after carefully. But if you can't afford a new one, you have to borrow one from a library, which always looks a bit battered and well-used. Most people treat the property they own better than the property they borrow. It's not a perfect analogy, but most of us can remember lending something and getting it back in a sorry state. Council houses are "borrowed property". Even when you've cleaned them up, there are still lots of dents, divits, and scars left behind by previous owners that can't be fixed easily. And the smell. It is never completely yours, like a ruler with someone elses initials scratched on it. And sotonboy ? He was obviously trolling me, so I gave him a pile of hogwash that would take him a month of Sundays to troll ! I'm going to try stream of consciousness on the next troll ! This forum can become so inwardly focussed, with the same old posters saying the same old things.............. ...................
I see what you're saying Billy but all I hear is blah blah blah!
the today world today people young fast and furious too busy to talk now abreviation all is text and brevity no depth shallow words and thoughts not enough blah blah blah
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: All right sotonboy, you want a sparring session. It's quiet here at the end of the thread, so it shouldn't upset anyone. Let's see what paranoid and psychotic nonsense I can come up with to leave you tied up in psychological knots. First. You don't know anything about me, and yet here you are drawing all sorts of strange conclusions. Ironlady might have several ID's - easily done - and I might be one of them. Or YOU might be one of them ! Or you might be Georgem - he knows how to mutiple ID. Perhaps I am a figment of your imagination, or I am a figment of my own imagination....... This is the perversity of the internet, isn't it ? It inspires paranoia through anonymity. It can give you delusions of granduer, make you feel powerful, really in control until...........unti l you realise you are talking to someone called Piggywinky, and they think you are Noggin389 ! The reality is it's....unreality. We don't meet as people, we interact with sentences, manufactured ideas and thoughts, and if we say stupid things it doesn't matter. And this is why trolling appeals to people because they can say what they like with impunity, if they take the trouble to hide their ID. Hate the middle classes ? In a theatrical sense I hate all sorts of things, but not so in reality. Hate, and hatred come from deep feelings of bitterness, don't they ? Acceptance/rejection , night/day, hot/cold, happy/sad(Tim Buckley!), success/failure - the duality of life is something we have to embrace and not become too hung up on any particular aspect for long. Often people agree. But there are times when the very essence of discussion and argument is that each person believes their view is right and that others are wrong. Question Time is all about people trying to persuade others to their way of thinking. You are accusing me of normal human behaviour, so.....thanks for the compliment. Take a tip from wise old Billy. Find out all about altruism, practise it in thought, and then through your actions, and you will begin to find spiritual enlightenment and contentment. No more will you feel the need to challenge a mystery person on the net. IronLady and I have crossed swords many times, and she is well aware of my tactics. She is tough as Iron, she is frequently Ironic, and she does ironing ! Ha ! Ha ! She is very intelligent, and fiendishly subtle. She is probably having a great laugh at you playing "White Knight" on her behalf, and at all this nonsense I have written for your amusement. Hope you haven't spilt too much wine, IronLady ! Ho ! Ho ! Merry Christmas, Sotonboy ![/p][/quote]Billy are you having problems? I have read several different posts from you & you seem to be going a bit off track?[/p][/quote]Only a bit off track ? I must be slipping, Loosehead ! Most of the people who post here are convergent thinkers : they discuss only "the facts" as if they are at a finance meeting, trying to arrive at concrete decisions and conclusions (what has happened, what do we think, what shall we do, etc). But I'm what they call a divergent thinker. I tend to step off the path, take an idea for a walk (like doodling), try to examine ideas and opinions from lots of different perspectives, particularly the "why" aspects (why has this happened, why do they think that, why do they think this is a solution, etc). I'm not the only one who does that here. I've always felt that with any given situatuion or problem in life, we should ask as many questions as possible before attempting to think about possible solutions. The Townhill Park rejuvenation scheme poses many far-reaching questions that need to be addressed before we argue about whether or not that money should be spent. If the social problems are not tackled, the estates will quickly become rundown again, and IronLady's fears will be perfectly justified. I'm not alone in refusing to subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't do anything for "these people who don't pay tax" because of some ludicrous "they don't deserve it, they won't appreciate it" theory. Houses are like books. If you can afford to buy a new one, you tend to look after carefully. But if you can't afford a new one, you have to borrow one from a library, which always looks a bit battered and well-used. Most people treat the property they own better than the property they borrow. It's not a perfect analogy, but most of us can remember lending something and getting it back in a sorry state. Council houses are "borrowed property". Even when you've cleaned them up, there are still lots of dents, divits, and scars left behind by previous owners that can't be fixed easily. And the smell. It is never completely yours, like a ruler with someone elses initials scratched on it. And sotonboy ? He was obviously trolling me, so I gave him a pile of hogwash that would take him a month of Sundays to troll ! I'm going to try stream of consciousness on the next troll ! This forum can become so inwardly focussed, with the same old posters saying the same old things.............. ...................[/p][/quote]I see what you're saying Billy but all I hear is blah blah blah![/p][/quote]the today world today people young fast and furious too busy to talk now abreviation all is text and brevity no depth shallow words and thoughts not enough blah blah blah BillyTheKid
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4:26pm Tue 25 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Now, sotonboy. Either discuss the Townhill Park scheme, and attendant issues, or clear off. Your opinions of me are of no interest to anyone.
Now, sotonboy. Either discuss the Townhill Park scheme, and attendant issues, or clear off. Your opinions of me are of no interest to anyone. BillyTheKid
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4:32pm Tue 25 Sep 12

sotonboy84 says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Now, sotonboy. Either discuss the Townhill Park scheme, and attendant issues, or clear off. Your opinions of me are of no interest to anyone.
Just shut-up now Billy and change the record. I'm not interested in discussing this any further with you.
Maybe open your front door and get out in the real world for a bit.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Now, sotonboy. Either discuss the Townhill Park scheme, and attendant issues, or clear off. Your opinions of me are of no interest to anyone.[/p][/quote]Just shut-up now Billy and change the record. I'm not interested in discussing this any further with you. Maybe open your front door and get out in the real world for a bit. sotonboy84
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4:36pm Tue 25 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

In your case, sotonboy, stay in and give the real world a break.
In your case, sotonboy, stay in and give the real world a break. BillyTheKid
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9:15pm Tue 25 Sep 12

loosehead says...

Okay this is about Labour taking a good tory idea changing it & saying look what we've done for council tenants.
They aren't building any council homes all properties will be built & then they'll buy 37% of them?
Surely it's cheaper to build them yourselves?
They have not listened to the residents private & council but are now going to consul;t them?
They have a history of running rough shod over locals to get what the Labour council want & put up consultation periods as an excuse.
we've listened to the residents but nothing we've heard will change our minds as in the case of Oaklands Swimming pool.
they are using a loop hole to quash objections to the height of student accommodation blocks accommodation I'm in favour of but don't think this is how you calm the residents fears.
The extra £50million they're going to spend could have gone into modernising the flats in Woolston or into several older estates in this city.
Drive around the roads leading off of Regents Park Road & see the state of them but why worry this is private housing?
Labour are getting this so very wrong & how long have they been in power?
Okay this is about Labour taking a good tory idea changing it & saying look what we've done for council tenants. They aren't building any council homes all properties will be built & then they'll buy 37% of them? Surely it's cheaper to build them yourselves? They have not listened to the residents private & council but are now going to consul;t them? They have a history of running rough shod over locals to get what the Labour council want & put up consultation periods as an excuse. we've listened to the residents but nothing we've heard will change our minds as in the case of Oaklands Swimming pool. they are using a loop hole to quash objections to the height of student accommodation blocks accommodation I'm in favour of but don't think this is how you calm the residents fears. The extra £50million they're going to spend could have gone into modernising the flats in Woolston or into several older estates in this city. Drive around the roads leading off of Regents Park Road & see the state of them but why worry this is private housing? Labour are getting this so very wrong & how long have they been in power? loosehead
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10:37pm Tue 25 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
Okay this is about Labour taking a good tory idea changing it & saying look what we've done for council tenants.
They aren't building any council homes all properties will be built & then they'll buy 37% of them?
Surely it's cheaper to build them yourselves?
They have not listened to the residents private & council but are now going to consul;t them?
They have a history of running rough shod over locals to get what the Labour council want & put up consultation periods as an excuse.
we've listened to the residents but nothing we've heard will change our minds as in the case of Oaklands Swimming pool.
they are using a loop hole to quash objections to the height of student accommodation blocks accommodation I'm in favour of but don't think this is how you calm the residents fears.
The extra £50million they're going to spend could have gone into modernising the flats in Woolston or into several older estates in this city.
Drive around the roads leading off of Regents Park Road & see the state of them but why worry this is private housing?
Labour are getting this so very wrong & how long have they been in power?
We can't say Labour have got it wrong yet ;-)

Give them time and people will be knocking on Mr Smiths door to come back.

But time will tell..........
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Okay this is about Labour taking a good tory idea changing it & saying look what we've done for council tenants. They aren't building any council homes all properties will be built & then they'll buy 37% of them? Surely it's cheaper to build them yourselves? They have not listened to the residents private & council but are now going to consul;t them? They have a history of running rough shod over locals to get what the Labour council want & put up consultation periods as an excuse. we've listened to the residents but nothing we've heard will change our minds as in the case of Oaklands Swimming pool. they are using a loop hole to quash objections to the height of student accommodation blocks accommodation I'm in favour of but don't think this is how you calm the residents fears. The extra £50million they're going to spend could have gone into modernising the flats in Woolston or into several older estates in this city. Drive around the roads leading off of Regents Park Road & see the state of them but why worry this is private housing? Labour are getting this so very wrong & how long have they been in power?[/p][/quote]We can't say Labour have got it wrong yet ;-) Give them time and people will be knocking on Mr Smiths door to come back. But time will tell.......... IronLady2010
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7:13am Wed 26 Sep 12

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Okay this is about Labour taking a good tory idea changing it & saying look what we've done for council tenants.
They aren't building any council homes all properties will be built & then they'll buy 37% of them?
Surely it's cheaper to build them yourselves?
They have not listened to the residents private & council but are now going to consul;t them?
They have a history of running rough shod over locals to get what the Labour council want & put up consultation periods as an excuse.
we've listened to the residents but nothing we've heard will change our minds as in the case of Oaklands Swimming pool.
they are using a loop hole to quash objections to the height of student accommodation blocks accommodation I'm in favour of but don't think this is how you calm the residents fears.
The extra £50million they're going to spend could have gone into modernising the flats in Woolston or into several older estates in this city.
Drive around the roads leading off of Regents Park Road & see the state of them but why worry this is private housing?
Labour are getting this so very wrong & how long have they been in power?
We can't say Labour have got it wrong yet ;-)

Give them time and people will be knocking on Mr Smiths door to come back.

But time will tell..........
But then they will have made such a mess by the time the Tories are voted in they will have to take drastic measures & people will forget who put us in that situation just as they seem to have Nationally
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Okay this is about Labour taking a good tory idea changing it & saying look what we've done for council tenants. They aren't building any council homes all properties will be built & then they'll buy 37% of them? Surely it's cheaper to build them yourselves? They have not listened to the residents private & council but are now going to consul;t them? They have a history of running rough shod over locals to get what the Labour council want & put up consultation periods as an excuse. we've listened to the residents but nothing we've heard will change our minds as in the case of Oaklands Swimming pool. they are using a loop hole to quash objections to the height of student accommodation blocks accommodation I'm in favour of but don't think this is how you calm the residents fears. The extra £50million they're going to spend could have gone into modernising the flats in Woolston or into several older estates in this city. Drive around the roads leading off of Regents Park Road & see the state of them but why worry this is private housing? Labour are getting this so very wrong & how long have they been in power?[/p][/quote]We can't say Labour have got it wrong yet ;-) Give them time and people will be knocking on Mr Smiths door to come back. But time will tell..........[/p][/quote]But then they will have made such a mess by the time the Tories are voted in they will have to take drastic measures & people will forget who put us in that situation just as they seem to have Nationally loosehead
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12:48pm Wed 26 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

I don't know why people waste time arguing about politics. We have national and local elections, the people are swayed this way, next time that way, and we are never satisfied. We listen, we think about what we want, we vote, we keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Politics is like gardening. Despite the best of intentions on the part of the grower and their plant, no one ever knows for sure what the outcome will be.
I don't know why people waste time arguing about politics. We have national and local elections, the people are swayed this way, next time that way, and we are never satisfied. We listen, we think about what we want, we vote, we keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best. Politics is like gardening. Despite the best of intentions on the part of the grower and their plant, no one ever knows for sure what the outcome will be. BillyTheKid
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