St. Edmund's Church in Southampton bans yoga class for not being Christian

St. Edmund's Church in Southampton

Cori Withell

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author Exclusive by , Senior Features Writer

IT is meant to be relaxing and work miracles for people’s peace of mind.

But the ancient discipline of yoga is at the centre of a rowafter it was banned from a Hampshire church hall.

A Roman Catholic priest has refused to allow yoga instructor Cori Withell to use his church’s hall for her weekly classes.

Father John Chandler, of St Edmund’s Church in Southampton , ruled out hosting the exercise class saying it was un-Christian.

Cori, who runs her own business CW Fitness, said she paid a £180 deposit and started signing up people for her classes back in August.

The 36-year-old was due to teach a Pilates class as well as a Unite class – a mixture of Pilates and yoga.

But after the church found out the exercises would include yoga she got a call from the church off The Avenue, in Southampton, saying the class was “against the church’s religion”.

Cori, who lives in Allbrook, Eastleigh , described the church’s position as “ridiculous”.

She said: “I was both flabbergasted and infuriated when I got the call. I tried to explain to the church that my yoga classes were not religious at all and I even offered to come and demonstrate the class.

“Yoga is not about religion at all. It is about calmness and relaxation. When you think of the issues we have with heart disease, obesity and stress we have in this country and you would think people should be promoting exercise – not preventing it taking place. The church has completely misunderstood this.”

Last night Father Chandler defended his decision, saying: “Because yoga is a Hindu spiritual discipline it is not compatible with Catholicism. The two just don’t mix.

“There are documents written by the church on yoga and it is not compatible with our faith, so no, Catholics should not be doing it, no more than Hindus should be doing something which is against their religion. If people are using the hall for keep fit that isn’t a problem but if you are putting a spiritual dimension with it, which yoga does do, you can’t have it in the church.”

A spokesman for the Diocese of Portsmouth said in 17 years it was the first time he was asked to comment on a yoga ban but it was up to individual priests.

He said: “What we don’t allow is anything that can be construed as non Christian worship and there is a dilemma with yoga, which could be seen as a form of relaxation – or a non-Christian possible Hindu meditation.

“On the other hand from the calls I have made there are some Catholic retreats which offer yoga.

“It may be this particular priest is erring on the side of caution, I don’t know. There isn’t a diocese or a national line but it would be inappropriate for non Christian religious activities to be taking place in the church halls.”

Yoga enthusiasts condemned the move as “ignorant” and even urged the priest to try a session.

Pierre Bibby, chief executive of the charity British Wheel of Yoga, said: “Yoga has got nothing to do with religion. This just shows the complete lack of understanding.

“There is research that demonstrates that yoga improves people’s health and wellbeing physically and mentally. Who could object to that?

“I am appalled by this knee-jerk reaction.”

What other churches say

THE decision to ban the yoga classes divided opinion among religious communities in Southampton.

Father David Sillince, of St Boniface Catholic Church in Freemantle and Shirley, said: “In my opinion yoga is no more religious than line dancing frankly. It is not as if people are coming to spread an alternative gospel. The yoga I have encountered is about unwinding and destressing
and I don’t believe there are any particular religious overtones.

“Most Catholic churches would regard it as a simple form of exercise but there are one or two who take it in its strictest sense.”

A Church of England spokesman said while there are some “cases of particular sensitivities to the background of yoga with its routes in the Hindu faith”, the general feeling is that yoga is
today used as a way to keep fit.

He said: “You can look at most church halls and there will be yoga classes held there because today it is seen as a way to keep fit and agile, not for its spiritual background.”

Meanwhile the city’s Hindu community said yoga resulted in better health.

A spokesman from the Vedic Temple in Southampton said: “In today’s hectic materialistic world doesn’t attending a yoga class fall in the same category as attending a gym? If one attains peace just by meditating will it be counted as a Hindu peace?

“Our temple proudly displays photographs of other religions, including Christianity. All I can request is a greater understanding of yoga, which will resolve this issue.”

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9:47am Wed 26 Sep 12

dango says...

and that is why so many are disillusioned with the Church. What a crock.
and that is why so many are disillusioned with the Church. What a crock. dango
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9:54am Wed 26 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

And that is why other religious groups hate Christians and Catholics.
And that is why other religious groups hate Christians and Catholics. Ginger_cyclist
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10:01am Wed 26 Sep 12

Scott_OOOSH says...

Ha, religion is funny!
Ha, religion is funny! Scott_OOOSH
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10:07am Wed 26 Sep 12

The Wickham Man says...

On the surface it's no more that one lot of silly rituals criticising another set of silly rituals, but it is rank hypocrisy to see christian ministers and priests regularly attending the religious festivals of moslems and hindus in some kind of pointless show of joint faith and unity and then denigrating and denounce the old religions such as paganism and new age spritualism with some ferocity. You either support "faith" or you don't. Trying to select other faiths you "like" from those you "don't like" defeats the whole "faith" purpose and turns christians into narrow minded intolerant hypocrites. (then again those of us above all that primitive superstitious nonsense know that anyway).
On the surface it's no more that one lot of silly rituals criticising another set of silly rituals, but it is rank hypocrisy to see christian ministers and priests regularly attending the religious festivals of moslems and hindus in some kind of pointless show of joint faith and unity and then denigrating and denounce the old religions such as paganism and new age spritualism with some ferocity. You either support "faith" or you don't. Trying to select other faiths you "like" from those you "don't like" defeats the whole "faith" purpose and turns christians into narrow minded intolerant hypocrites. (then again those of us above all that primitive superstitious nonsense know that anyway). The Wickham Man
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10:08am Wed 26 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Scott_OOOSH wrote:
Ha, religion is funny!
To be honest I think the best religions people could go for are Buddhism and Hinduism because as far as I can tell, they're the only ones that haven't resorted to violence to get their points across.
[quote][p][bold]Scott_OOOSH[/bold] wrote: Ha, religion is funny![/p][/quote]To be honest I think the best religions people could go for are Buddhism and Hinduism because as far as I can tell, they're the only ones that haven't resorted to violence to get their points across. Ginger_cyclist
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10:09am Wed 26 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
On the surface it's no more that one lot of silly rituals criticising another set of silly rituals, but it is rank hypocrisy to see christian ministers and priests regularly attending the religious festivals of moslems and hindus in some kind of pointless show of joint faith and unity and then denigrating and denounce the old religions such as paganism and new age spritualism with some ferocity. You either support "faith" or you don't. Trying to select other faiths you "like" from those you "don't like" defeats the whole "faith" purpose and turns christians into narrow minded intolerant hypocrites. (then again those of us above all that primitive superstitious nonsense know that anyway).
That's a good way to put it.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: On the surface it's no more that one lot of silly rituals criticising another set of silly rituals, but it is rank hypocrisy to see christian ministers and priests regularly attending the religious festivals of moslems and hindus in some kind of pointless show of joint faith and unity and then denigrating and denounce the old religions such as paganism and new age spritualism with some ferocity. You either support "faith" or you don't. Trying to select other faiths you "like" from those you "don't like" defeats the whole "faith" purpose and turns christians into narrow minded intolerant hypocrites. (then again those of us above all that primitive superstitious nonsense know that anyway).[/p][/quote]That's a good way to put it. Ginger_cyclist
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10:10am Wed 26 Sep 12

Vix1 says...

It's because yoga focuses on self! As a Christian you consider yourself last and others first. I know people who have done yoga and they tell you it's all about finding your inner self and communicating with your "core". Now question why the church has banned it!!! It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!
It's because yoga focuses on self! As a Christian you consider yourself last and others first. I know people who have done yoga and they tell you it's all about finding your inner self and communicating with your "core". Now question why the church has banned it!!! It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches! Vix1
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10:11am Wed 26 Sep 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And that is why other religious groups hate Christians and Catholics.
Your comment is as stupid as the attitude of this Priest, other religious hate Christian's and Catholics because they wont allow Yoga in a Church?
The Crusades I can understand caused some friction, but not banning Yoga.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: And that is why other religious groups hate Christians and Catholics.[/p][/quote]Your comment is as stupid as the attitude of this Priest, other religious hate Christian's and Catholics because they wont allow Yoga in a Church? The Crusades I can understand caused some friction, but not banning Yoga. SaintAsh1964
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10:13am Wed 26 Sep 12

George4th says...

A good example of why religions continually cause conflict! The hypocrisy of all religions knows no bounds!
A good example of why religions continually cause conflict! The hypocrisy of all religions knows no bounds! George4th
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10:14am Wed 26 Sep 12

mooky9 says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
On the surface it's no more that one lot of silly rituals criticising another set of silly rituals, but it is rank hypocrisy to see christian ministers and priests regularly attending the religious festivals of moslems and hindus in some kind of pointless show of joint faith and unity and then denigrating and denounce the old religions such as paganism and new age spritualism with some ferocity. You either support "faith" or you don't. Trying to select other faiths you "like" from those you "don't like" defeats the whole "faith" purpose and turns christians into narrow minded intolerant hypocrites. (then again those of us above all that primitive superstitious nonsense know that anyway).
Steady you may need to put an oxygen mask on from sitting way up there on your high horse...
And before you start, no I am not a Christian, however if someone else has a belief or point of view I let them go with what they want to do.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: On the surface it's no more that one lot of silly rituals criticising another set of silly rituals, but it is rank hypocrisy to see christian ministers and priests regularly attending the religious festivals of moslems and hindus in some kind of pointless show of joint faith and unity and then denigrating and denounce the old religions such as paganism and new age spritualism with some ferocity. You either support "faith" or you don't. Trying to select other faiths you "like" from those you "don't like" defeats the whole "faith" purpose and turns christians into narrow minded intolerant hypocrites. (then again those of us above all that primitive superstitious nonsense know that anyway).[/p][/quote]Steady you may need to put an oxygen mask on from sitting way up there on your high horse... And before you start, no I am not a Christian, however if someone else has a belief or point of view I let them go with what they want to do. mooky9
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10:14am Wed 26 Sep 12

Higginz says...

Just find somewhere else to run the classes then. As ridiculous as their reasons are for not allowing Yoga, it's their club and their rules even if those that make the rules are divided on the matter. Surely there must be social clubs, scout huts or even other religious halls in the vicinity that can be used.
By the way, BIG fan of Pilates.
Just find somewhere else to run the classes then. As ridiculous as their reasons are for not allowing Yoga, it's their club and their rules even if those that make the rules are divided on the matter. Surely there must be social clubs, scout huts or even other religious halls in the vicinity that can be used. By the way, BIG fan of Pilates. Higginz
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10:15am Wed 26 Sep 12

nedscrumpo says...

Fundamentalism at its worst! A misguided priest who should be welcoming "sinners" into his church.
Fundamentalism at its worst! A misguided priest who should be welcoming "sinners" into his church. nedscrumpo
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10:18am Wed 26 Sep 12

eurogordi says...

I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions.

None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity.

Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example.

As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!"

Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure!
I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure! eurogordi
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10:25am Wed 26 Sep 12

elvisimo says...

Ah, a story involving the catholic church that doesnt involve corruption or perverts - now that does make a change.
Ah, a story involving the catholic church that doesnt involve corruption or perverts - now that does make a change. elvisimo
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10:25am Wed 26 Sep 12

Shoong says...

It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.
It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about. Shoong
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10:54am Wed 26 Sep 12

cliffwalker says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Scott_OOOSH wrote:
Ha, religion is funny!
To be honest I think the best religions people could go for are Buddhism and Hinduism because as far as I can tell, they're the only ones that haven't resorted to violence to get their points across.
Just to keep the record straight:
There was widespread conflict between Hindu and Muslim during the partition of India including massacres carried out by Hindus (and Muslims). Further ther was internecine violence involving "warrior monks" in Japan during the feudal period.

I'm not aware of any strongly held faith that has not or would not lead to violence of one kind or another.

As for the church hall story; does anyone expect logical behaviour to flow from an irrational belief?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scott_OOOSH[/bold] wrote: Ha, religion is funny![/p][/quote]To be honest I think the best religions people could go for are Buddhism and Hinduism because as far as I can tell, they're the only ones that haven't resorted to violence to get their points across.[/p][/quote]Just to keep the record straight: There was widespread conflict between Hindu and Muslim during the partition of India including massacres carried out by Hindus (and Muslims). Further ther was internecine violence involving "warrior monks" in Japan during the feudal period. I'm not aware of any strongly held faith that has not or would not lead to violence of one kind or another. As for the church hall story; does anyone expect logical behaviour to flow from an irrational belief? cliffwalker
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10:54am Wed 26 Sep 12

Scrutinizer says...

I went to a some yoga sessions a few years ago, and from my own personal experience I can say that I never heard anyone talk about being there for reasons of religion. No, it was quite apparent to me, from my conversations with people, anyway, that they were there, as was I, to improve their physical health and to chill out, in what was simply a very friendly and easy-going atmosphere. Other people might have a different experience of yoga classes, but this was mine and over a period of several months.

Evidentally, this is yet another example of the increasing paranoia on the part of the christian church's powers-that-be. They are obviously panicking on account of gradually losing their dominance in Western society. However, to be fair, and has been mentioned in the article, not all christians are the same in their attitude to this.
I went to a some yoga sessions a few years ago, and from my own personal experience I can say that I never heard anyone talk about being there for reasons of religion. No, it was quite apparent to me, from my conversations with people, anyway, that they were there, as was I, to improve their physical health and to chill out, in what was simply a very friendly and easy-going atmosphere. Other people might have a different experience of yoga classes, but this was mine and over a period of several months. Evidentally, this is yet another example of the increasing paranoia on the part of the christian church's powers-that-be. They are obviously panicking on account of gradually losing their dominance in Western society. However, to be fair, and has been mentioned in the article, not all christians are the same in their attitude to this. Scrutinizer
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11:08am Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Scott_OOOSH wrote:
Ha, religion is funny!
To be honest I think the best religions people could go for are Buddhism and Hinduism because as far as I can tell, they're the only ones that haven't resorted to violence to get their points across.
Church of Satan. Seriously. Forget "ritual sacrifice", that's a media invention.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scott_OOOSH[/bold] wrote: Ha, religion is funny![/p][/quote]To be honest I think the best religions people could go for are Buddhism and Hinduism because as far as I can tell, they're the only ones that haven't resorted to violence to get their points across.[/p][/quote]Church of Satan. Seriously. Forget "ritual sacrifice", that's a media invention. Georgem
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11:09am Wed 26 Sep 12

Huey says...

I have nothing but contempt for this pathetic man and religion.
"Oh we'll hide Nazis and cover up child abuse, but don't try to do yoga in our church!"
Well if there is a God they will all be damned.
I have nothing but contempt for this pathetic man and religion. "Oh we'll hide Nazis and cover up child abuse, but don't try to do yoga in our church!" Well if there is a God they will all be damned. Huey
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11:10am Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Shoong wrote:
It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.
Any excuse to bash religion.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.[/p][/quote]Any excuse to bash religion. Georgem
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11:12am Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Vix1 wrote:
It's because yoga focuses on self! As a Christian you consider yourself last and others first. I know people who have done yoga and they tell you it's all about finding your inner self and communicating with your "core". Now question why the church has banned it!!! It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!
Wait, what? The Church has banned yoga? Where?
[quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: It's because yoga focuses on self! As a Christian you consider yourself last and others first. I know people who have done yoga and they tell you it's all about finding your inner self and communicating with your "core". Now question why the church has banned it!!! It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches![/p][/quote]Wait, what? The Church has banned yoga? Where? Georgem
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11:16am Wed 26 Sep 12

Linesman says...

With some of the things that have been done by Catholic priests, that are now costing the Catholic Church many millions of pounds, I think it a trifle ironic that Father John Chandler should have such a strange outlook on life in general, and christianity in particular, to come to this conclusion
With some of the things that have been done by Catholic priests, that are now costing the Catholic Church many millions of pounds, I think it a trifle ironic that Father John Chandler should have such a strange outlook on life in general, and christianity in particular, to come to this conclusion Linesman
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11:17am Wed 26 Sep 12

Linesman says...

Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.
Any excuse to bash religion.
I had never considered Yoga to be a religion. If it is, who is their religious leader?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.[/p][/quote]Any excuse to bash religion.[/p][/quote]I had never considered Yoga to be a religion. If it is, who is their religious leader? Linesman
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11:19am Wed 26 Sep 12

Huey says...

Delude holier-than-thow fools preaching to others when half of them have got more skeletons in their closets than there are in the cemetry.
No place for them in the modern world.
Pathetic really.
Delude holier-than-thow fools preaching to others when half of them have got more skeletons in their closets than there are in the cemetry. No place for them in the modern world. Pathetic really. Huey
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11:19am Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And that is why other religious groups hate Christians and Catholics.
Bear in mind that people use that same exact reasoning when telling you why they think ALL cyclists are scumbags. Remember that you are quick to point out that such behaviour is not necessarily representative of ALL cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: And that is why other religious groups hate Christians and Catholics.[/p][/quote]Bear in mind that people use that same exact reasoning when telling you why they think ALL cyclists are scumbags. Remember that you are quick to point out that such behaviour is not necessarily representative of ALL cyclists. Georgem
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11:19am Wed 26 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.
Any excuse to bash religion.
I had never considered Yoga to be a religion. If it is, who is their religious leader?
Attempt at being clever = Fail.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.[/p][/quote]Any excuse to bash religion.[/p][/quote]I had never considered Yoga to be a religion. If it is, who is their religious leader?[/p][/quote]Attempt at being clever = Fail. Shoong
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11:19am Wed 26 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

All religions, without exception, are man made.I therefore have no hang ups about any of them. As a mere man however I do have a big hang up about posing in various uncomfortable and impossible positions in order to find my 'inner self' and cannot for the life of me understand those who practice this art. However I live in a land of tolerance which descended from our druid ancestors so do not begrudge others getting involved. I am puzzled however at the stand taken by this ridiculous priest, surely all of his tolerant customers should be banned from the church as they are practising something that started in an older British religion.
All religions, without exception, are man made.I therefore have no hang ups about any of them. As a mere man however I do have a big hang up about posing in various uncomfortable and impossible positions in order to find my 'inner self' and cannot for the life of me understand those who practice this art. However I live in a land of tolerance which descended from our druid ancestors so do not begrudge others getting involved. I am puzzled however at the stand taken by this ridiculous priest, surely all of his tolerant customers should be banned from the church as they are practising something that started in an older British religion. Inform Al
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11:21am Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.
Any excuse to bash religion.
I had never considered Yoga to be a religion. If it is, who is their religious leader?
I'm referring to the people kicking up a fuss.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.[/p][/quote]Any excuse to bash religion.[/p][/quote]I had never considered Yoga to be a religion. If it is, who is their religious leader?[/p][/quote]I'm referring to the people kicking up a fuss. Georgem
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11:29am Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this. Georgem
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11:35am Wed 26 Sep 12

BenjiWinsor says...

eurogordi wrote:
I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions.

None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity.

Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example.

As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!"

Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure!
hear hear!
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure![/p][/quote]hear hear! BenjiWinsor
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11:40am Wed 26 Sep 12

freefinker says...

Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
.. lol.
Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote].. lol. Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English. freefinker
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11:46am Wed 26 Sep 12

BenjiWinsor says...

http://christianansw
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Articles_ChristianYo
ga.html
http://christianansw ersforthenewage.org/ Articles_ChristianYo ga.html BenjiWinsor
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11:52am Wed 26 Sep 12

freefinker says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
On the surface it's no more that one lot of silly rituals criticising another set of silly rituals, but it is rank hypocrisy to see christian ministers and priests regularly attending the religious festivals of moslems and hindus in some kind of pointless show of joint faith and unity and then denigrating and denounce the old religions such as paganism and new age spritualism with some ferocity. You either support "faith" or you don't. Trying to select other faiths you "like" from those you "don't like" defeats the whole "faith" purpose and turns christians into narrow minded intolerant hypocrites. (then again those of us above all that primitive superstitious nonsense know that anyway).
.. couldn't have put it better myself.

However, although yoga originates in Hinduism, in the west, at least, it is just a secular exercise and meditation regime.

I have 3 yoga instructors as friends. They are all 100% confirmed atheists.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: On the surface it's no more that one lot of silly rituals criticising another set of silly rituals, but it is rank hypocrisy to see christian ministers and priests regularly attending the religious festivals of moslems and hindus in some kind of pointless show of joint faith and unity and then denigrating and denounce the old religions such as paganism and new age spritualism with some ferocity. You either support "faith" or you don't. Trying to select other faiths you "like" from those you "don't like" defeats the whole "faith" purpose and turns christians into narrow minded intolerant hypocrites. (then again those of us above all that primitive superstitious nonsense know that anyway).[/p][/quote].. couldn't have put it better myself. However, although yoga originates in Hinduism, in the west, at least, it is just a secular exercise and meditation regime. I have 3 yoga instructors as friends. They are all 100% confirmed atheists. freefinker
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11:57am Wed 26 Sep 12

Huey says...

I hope his church fails and the conregation realise what a load of tripe it all is and that they can lead good lives without a priest and 2000 year old work of fiction telling them what to do.
Laughable really.
I hope his church fails and the conregation realise what a load of tripe it all is and that they can lead good lives without a priest and 2000 year old work of fiction telling them what to do. Laughable really. Huey
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12:00pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Maybe Father Chandler can replace the class with something more to his tastes

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?feature=pla
yer_detailpage&v=mSp
o3rLMvKg#t=50s
Maybe Father Chandler can replace the class with something more to his tastes http://www.youtube.c om/watch?feature=pla yer_detailpage&v=mSp o3rLMvKg#t=50s Georgem
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12:08pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stephen J says...

If the church bans everything that has its origins in pre- or non-Christian traditions and belief systems, it wouldn't have much left of its own religion.
If the church bans everything that has its origins in pre- or non-Christian traditions and belief systems, it wouldn't have much left of its own religion. Stephen J
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12:10pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

It's worth pointing out that The Church hasn't banned anything. This specific church, is not allowing it's own premises to be used by a particular yoga class. Nothing more.
It's worth pointing out that The Church hasn't banned anything. This specific church, is not allowing it's own premises to be used by a particular yoga class. Nothing more. Georgem
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12:10pm Wed 26 Sep 12

sotonwinch09 says...

The church own the building so they can decide what events go ahead. Don't see why this is a story. Just book another hall.
The church own the building so they can decide what events go ahead. Don't see why this is a story. Just book another hall. sotonwinch09
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12:15pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The church own the building so they can decide what events go ahead. Don't see why this is a story. Just book another hall.
Exactly. People are being manipulated by a mildly sensationalist headline, but apparently it's the Christians who are unthinking, brain-washed sheep. Go figure.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: The church own the building so they can decide what events go ahead. Don't see why this is a story. Just book another hall.[/p][/quote]Exactly. People are being manipulated by a mildly sensationalist headline, but apparently it's the Christians who are unthinking, brain-washed sheep. Go figure. Georgem
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12:19pm Wed 26 Sep 12

BerryMan says...

As long as they don't come round and knock my door trying to force their Yoga on me with their made up stories like some do, let them do it!
Religion will ruin this world.
As long as they don't come round and knock my door trying to force their Yoga on me with their made up stories like some do, let them do it! Religion will ruin this world. BerryMan
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12:20pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Goldenwight says...

Last night Father Chandler defended his decision, saying: “Because yoga is a Hindu spiritual discipline it is not compatible with Catholicism. The two just don’t mix.

I wonder if Father Chandler has ever read 'The Life of Pi' by Yann Martel? Probably not, because he certainly doesn't seem to be that clued up on the Bible. If this were an episode of 'Father Ted' I imagine he would be playing Father Jack.
Last night Father Chandler defended his decision, saying: “Because yoga is a Hindu spiritual discipline it is not compatible with Catholicism. The two just don’t mix. I wonder if Father Chandler has ever read 'The Life of Pi' by Yann Martel? Probably not, because he certainly doesn't seem to be that clued up on the Bible. If this were an episode of 'Father Ted' I imagine he would be playing Father Jack. Goldenwight
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12:31pm Wed 26 Sep 12

StMarysSaint says...

What a pair out of touch fools Father Chandler and the spokesman for the Diocese of Portsmouth are. And to think these people will see themselves as being able to give spiritual guidance to the public. Reminds me of the recent outburst of the Tory whip, full of their own self importance, and in need of some very urgent self-analysis.
What a pair out of touch fools Father Chandler and the spokesman for the Diocese of Portsmouth are. And to think these people will see themselves as being able to give spiritual guidance to the public. Reminds me of the recent outburst of the Tory whip, full of their own self importance, and in need of some very urgent self-analysis. StMarysSaint
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12:34pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stephen J says...

Georgem wrote:
It's worth pointing out that The Church hasn't banned anything. This specific church, is not allowing it's own premises to be used by a particular yoga class. Nothing more.
Which is why I deliberately used a small "c". From what we have read of The Church's position, it is clear that The Church regards this as a local decision for which Father Chandler alone is answerable. Of course The Church doesn't have a strict view on whether Yoga should be banned from its premises. Enforcing such a ban might create a risk of The Church looking ridiculous to a degree that is out of all proportion to the issue. Such a view does not seem to be shared by the church in the Avenue.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: It's worth pointing out that The Church hasn't banned anything. This specific church, is not allowing it's own premises to be used by a particular yoga class. Nothing more.[/p][/quote]Which is why I deliberately used a small "c". From what we have read of The Church's position, it is clear that The Church regards this as a local decision for which Father Chandler alone is answerable. Of course The Church doesn't have a strict view on whether Yoga should be banned from its premises. Enforcing such a ban might create a risk of The Church looking ridiculous to a degree that is out of all proportion to the issue. Such a view does not seem to be shared by the church in the Avenue. Stephen J
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12:45pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

"Religion". From the Latin "to rejoin". You have to laugh don't you?
To those who have read the bible but failed to understand it and it's principles saying that focusing on your own well being is not Christian I would point out that without the well people there would not be any people to help the unwell ones. I wonder how many of these people start their prayers with something along the lines of "help me"?
Any organization, religion or otherwise will fail if they base their actions on what was (possibly) said or written thousands of years ago.
Perhaps all religions should think about Rumi's statement "The lamps are different but the light is the same"?
If anyone is wondering he was a 13th century Sufi poet but of course the church will have a fit if they find out that that makes him a Muslim lol.
"Religion". From the Latin "to rejoin". You have to laugh don't you? To those who have read the bible but failed to understand it and it's principles saying that focusing on your own well being is not Christian I would point out that without the well people there would not be any people to help the unwell ones. I wonder how many of these people start their prayers with something along the lines of "help me"? Any organization, religion or otherwise will fail if they base their actions on what was (possibly) said or written thousands of years ago. Perhaps all religions should think about Rumi's statement "The lamps are different but the light is the same"? If anyone is wondering he was a 13th century Sufi poet but of course the church will have a fit if they find out that that makes him a Muslim lol. Stillness
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12:45pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Chas O'Bursledon says...

Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.
Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation. Chas O'Bursledon
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12:47pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Art_Vandelay says...

Would have been nice to be able to try out yoga so close to my home. I hope Ms. Withell will be able to find a more supportive venue in the area.
Would have been nice to be able to try out yoga so close to my home. I hope Ms. Withell will be able to find a more supportive venue in the area. Art_Vandelay
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12:53pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.
You're condemning Father John Chandler for his beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.[/p][/quote]You're condemning Father John Chandler for his beliefs. Georgem
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12:59pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Walter K says...

More mumbo jumbo from cults whose beliefs stem from fairytale and legend!
More mumbo jumbo from cults whose beliefs stem from fairytale and legend! Walter K
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1:01pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Georgem wrote:
Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.
You're condemning Father John Chandler for his beliefs.
Not his beliefs, his actions.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.[/p][/quote]You're condemning Father John Chandler for his beliefs.[/p][/quote]Not his beliefs, his actions. Stillness
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1:03pm Wed 26 Sep 12

MGRA says...

presumably he would also ban someone from holding classes that warns parents of the danger signs of paedophile grooming because that would also fly in the face of a well know catholic practise.
presumably he would also ban someone from holding classes that warns parents of the danger signs of paedophile grooming because that would also fly in the face of a well know catholic practise. MGRA
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1:08pm Wed 26 Sep 12

MGRA says...

eurogordi wrote:
I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions.

None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity.

Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example.

As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!"

Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure!
"Father" chandler is a simple bigot who is ignorant and un-informed..... surprise surprise..... move on nothing to see hear except religious zealots making people miserable like they enjoy.... What is better for stress ? yoga or going to "confession" and being told you are a sinner for doing something a bigotted guy in a frock says you should not ???
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure![/p][/quote]"Father" chandler is a simple bigot who is ignorant and un-informed..... surprise surprise..... move on nothing to see hear except religious zealots making people miserable like they enjoy.... What is better for stress ? yoga or going to "confession" and being told you are a sinner for doing something a bigotted guy in a frock says you should not ??? MGRA
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1:11pm Wed 26 Sep 12

StMarysSaint says...

Georgem wrote:
Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.
You're condemning Father John Chandler for his beliefs.
Religion gives Spirituality a bad name.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.[/p][/quote]You're condemning Father John Chandler for his beliefs.[/p][/quote]Religion gives Spirituality a bad name. StMarysSaint
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1:16pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

It,s probably all down to keeping numbers at the church down. We all know how popular they have become.

Besides the priest is probably worried that if he upsets the all loving, all forgiving, all caring beardy shinny man who lives above the clouds and who he calls father he will be sent him to hell by him to be tortured for eternity.
It,s probably all down to keeping numbers at the church down. We all know how popular they have become. Besides the priest is probably worried that if he upsets the all loving, all forgiving, all caring beardy shinny man who lives above the clouds and who he calls father he will be sent him to hell by him to be tortured for eternity. Stillness
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1:22pm Wed 26 Sep 12

confused of kingsland says...

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.
Hear hear! So pleased I'm a Humanist.
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.[/p][/quote]Hear hear! So pleased I'm a Humanist. confused of kingsland
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1:23pm Wed 26 Sep 12

snapperdownunder says...

Who needs religion? The curse of mankind.
Who needs religion? The curse of mankind. snapperdownunder
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1:43pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

snapperdownunder wrote:
Who needs religion? The curse of mankind.
Not at all. It's those that like to use it to help define and divide people that are a curse. Personally I prefer to listen to:

"The heart of every religion is the religion of the heart." (Br. David Steindl-Rast)


"I am a Hindu, I am a Christian, I am a Muslim, I am a Jew." (Gandhi)


"Ekam sat vipra bahundha vedantihi." Truth is One but the wise have called it by many names. (Rig Veda)


"Do not be confused because you hear many voices. Know that I am One and the same." (Talmud)


"The lamps are different but the light is the same: it comes from beyond." (Rumi)


"There is only one religion, the religion of love. There is only one God, the light that shines in your heart." (Satya Sai Baba)

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too" (John Lennon)
[quote][p][bold]snapperdownunder[/bold] wrote: Who needs religion? The curse of mankind.[/p][/quote]Not at all. It's those that like to use it to help define and divide people that are a curse. Personally I prefer to listen to: "The heart of every religion is the religion of the heart." (Br. David Steindl-Rast) "I am a Hindu, I am a Christian, I am a Muslim, I am a Jew." (Gandhi) "Ekam sat vipra bahundha vedantihi." Truth is One but the wise have called it by many names. (Rig Veda) "Do not be confused because you hear many voices. Know that I am One and the same." (Talmud) "The lamps are different but the light is the same: it comes from beyond." (Rumi) "There is only one religion, the religion of love. There is only one God, the light that shines in your heart." (Satya Sai Baba) "Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too" (John Lennon) Stillness
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1:51pm Wed 26 Sep 12

MisterGrimsdale says...

Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.
Any excuse to bash religion.
I had never considered Yoga to be a religion. If it is, who is their religious leader?
I am. Now keep bending like I told you and await further instructions.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: It's the property of the church I assume so it's up to them. Can't see what the fuss is about.[/p][/quote]Any excuse to bash religion.[/p][/quote]I had never considered Yoga to be a religion. If it is, who is their religious leader?[/p][/quote]I am. Now keep bending like I told you and await further instructions. MisterGrimsdale
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2:12pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
Yes that could be interesting.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote]Yes that could be interesting. Paramjit Bahia
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2:25pm Wed 26 Sep 12

lowe esteem says...

...and we could go on...
For just 45p (that's 9/-!) this and more exciting stories-in your super soaraway...
...and we could go on... For just 45p (that's 9/-!) this and more exciting stories-in your super soaraway... lowe esteem
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2:27pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
Yes that could be interesting.
Well I would guess that you could meditate on Nam whist doing your Yoga. What would YOU say?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote]Yes that could be interesting.[/p][/quote]Well I would guess that you could meditate on Nam whist doing your Yoga. What would YOU say? Stillness
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2:29pm Wed 26 Sep 12

charlotte7933 says...

No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.
No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga. charlotte7933
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2:42pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Dazman67 says...

My wife does yoga. My wife is not religious. The decision for this church to 'ban yoga' probably makes no difference to my wife's (lack of) faith. She is hardly less likely to follow a faith in future as a result of this decision. However, it does tell me that there are still elements of narrow minded so-called faithfuls who direct and steer their congregations. This is and always will be the case amongst the 'main' religions, therefore I agree with the previous guy - it's not even a story (whereas the Bible and most other religious writings are.) #standsbackandlights
bluetouchpaper
My wife does yoga. My wife is not religious. The decision for this church to 'ban yoga' probably makes no difference to my wife's (lack of) faith. She is hardly less likely to follow a faith in future as a result of this decision. However, it does tell me that there are still elements of narrow minded so-called faithfuls who direct and steer their congregations. This is and always will be the case amongst the 'main' religions, therefore I agree with the previous guy - it's not even a story (whereas the Bible and most other religious writings are.) #standsbackandlights bluetouchpaper Dazman67
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2:55pm Wed 26 Sep 12

MGRA says...

charlotte7933 wrote:
No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.
so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.
[quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.[/p][/quote]so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused. MGRA
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2:57pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

ITT: tabloid-driven hysteria.
ITT: tabloid-driven hysteria. Georgem
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3:04pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Norway: 70% Aethiest

First in the world for Life Expectancy, Literacy, Education & Standards of Living.

2nd Highest Capita per GDP.

But they are all very, very boring.
Norway: 70% Aethiest First in the world for Life Expectancy, Literacy, Education & Standards of Living. 2nd Highest Capita per GDP. But they are all very, very boring. Shoong
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3:05pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Scott_OOOSH wrote:
Ha, religion is funny!
To be honest I think the best religions people could go for are Buddhism and Hinduism because as far as I can tell, they're the only ones that haven't resorted to violence to get their points across.
Best thing for people could be to stay away from religions.

But as there are some who remain addicted to unscientific dangerous drug, religion, society should be compassionate towards them and let them exercise their perversion within the confine of their own places of worship, so that toxins could be contained.

In theory most religions may appear attractive propositions but become problems when manipulated by vested interests, your recommendations Hinduism and Budhism included.

Buddhist attacking Haringa (My spelling may be incorrect) in Burma has been in the news recently.

Hinduism?

Hindu fanatics killed even Mahatama Gandhi... If they did not even spare him do you need to look any further.

Conflicts between Hinduism and Islam was the cause of one of the biggest slaughter of humans when they caused division of India.

Successors of Mahatama Gandhi's killers are now fascist political party in India ( BJP) . Fanatics demolished ancient Muslim Mosque (Babri Masjid) causing disturbances all over the globe.

Riots in BJP ruled Gujrat when many non Hindus were burnt alive and only recently their two most prominent members (including one cabinet minister) have been found guilty of mass murders.

For your info BJP and other Hindu fascist organisations have branches even in UK and followers even in Southampton.

Sticking to church in this item, is it not strange that christian church while preaching love thy neighbour won't allow people to exercise Yoga because some idiot thinks to keep fit may be against his religion, BUT keeping in line of tolerance and forgiveness churches have allowed pedophile priests to screw small kids?
It is not just ordinary hypocrisy but the almighty's hypocrisy
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scott_OOOSH[/bold] wrote: Ha, religion is funny![/p][/quote]To be honest I think the best religions people could go for are Buddhism and Hinduism because as far as I can tell, they're the only ones that haven't resorted to violence to get their points across.[/p][/quote]Best thing for people could be to stay away from religions. But as there are some who remain addicted to unscientific dangerous drug, religion, society should be compassionate towards them and let them exercise their perversion within the confine of their own places of worship, so that toxins could be contained. In theory most religions may appear attractive propositions but become problems when manipulated by vested interests, your recommendations Hinduism and Budhism included. Buddhist attacking Haringa (My spelling may be incorrect) in Burma has been in the news recently. Hinduism? Hindu fanatics killed even Mahatama Gandhi... If they did not even spare him do you need to look any further. Conflicts between Hinduism and Islam was the cause of one of the biggest slaughter of humans when they caused division of India. Successors of Mahatama Gandhi's killers are now fascist political party in India ( BJP) . Fanatics demolished ancient Muslim Mosque (Babri Masjid) causing disturbances all over the globe. Riots in BJP ruled Gujrat when many non Hindus were burnt alive and only recently their two most prominent members (including one cabinet minister) have been found guilty of mass murders. For your info BJP and other Hindu fascist organisations have branches even in UK and followers even in Southampton. Sticking to church in this item, is it not strange that christian church while preaching love thy neighbour won't allow people to exercise Yoga because some idiot thinks to keep fit may be against his religion, BUT keeping in line of tolerance and forgiveness churches have allowed pedophile priests to screw small kids? It is not just ordinary hypocrisy but the almighty's hypocrisy Paramjit Bahia
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3:09pm Wed 26 Sep 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
.. lol.
Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.
Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site.
http://www.sgpc.net/
sikhism/sikh-dharma-
manual.html

I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land.


As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all.
Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote].. lol. Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.[/p][/quote]Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site. http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land. As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all. Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder. southy
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3:12pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And that is why other religious groups hate Christians and Catholics.
Bear in mind that people use that same exact reasoning when telling you why they think ALL cyclists are scumbags. Remember that you are quick to point out that such behaviour is not necessarily representative of ALL cyclists.
Your'e right, I should have worded it better though I would have thought most people would realize I meant a minority of them but obviously not and some have taken offense.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: And that is why other religious groups hate Christians and Catholics.[/p][/quote]Bear in mind that people use that same exact reasoning when telling you why they think ALL cyclists are scumbags. Remember that you are quick to point out that such behaviour is not necessarily representative of ALL cyclists.[/p][/quote]Your'e right, I should have worded it better though I would have thought most people would realize I meant a minority of them but obviously not and some have taken offense. Ginger_cyclist
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3:14pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
Yes that could be interesting.
Well I would guess that you could meditate on Nam whist doing your Yoga. What would YOU say?
Sorry for my ignorance, what is Nam?

Surely you could not be referring to Non Alligned Movement started by Nehru Tito and Nassar, which has now been hijacked by nations like Iran
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote]Yes that could be interesting.[/p][/quote]Well I would guess that you could meditate on Nam whist doing your Yoga. What would YOU say?[/p][/quote]Sorry for my ignorance, what is Nam? Surely you could not be referring to Non Alligned Movement started by Nehru Tito and Nassar, which has now been hijacked by nations like Iran Paramjit Bahia
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3:19pm Wed 26 Sep 12

kingnotail says...

Religion is an irrelevant joke. Not surprised to see a so-called 'christian' being totally un-christian and incapable of practising what he no doubt preaches, although being a catholic his sermons probably consist solely of how homosexuals, unmarried women, people of other religions, atheists, liberals etc are all going to hell. Funny how priests who molest young boys are never on this list. Buddhism, Hinduism are pointless but largely begign, while large chunks of Christianity, Islam and Judaism are dangerous to the mind, like a form of intellectual cancer.
Religion is an irrelevant joke. Not surprised to see a so-called 'christian' being totally un-christian and incapable of practising what he no doubt preaches, although being a catholic his sermons probably consist solely of how homosexuals, unmarried women, people of other religions, atheists, liberals etc are all going to hell. Funny how priests who molest young boys are never on this list. Buddhism, Hinduism are pointless but largely begign, while large chunks of Christianity, Islam and Judaism are dangerous to the mind, like a form of intellectual cancer. kingnotail
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3:32pm Wed 26 Sep 12

southy says...

George4th wrote:
A good example of why religions continually cause conflict! The hypocrisy of all religions knows no bounds!
Look what kind of people control Religions, Religions are Business
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: A good example of why religions continually cause conflict! The hypocrisy of all religions knows no bounds![/p][/quote]Look what kind of people control Religions, Religions are Business southy
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3:45pm Wed 26 Sep 12

thesaint says...

need to sack the guy and get some one who understands real people instead of the middle class ivory tower he lives in
need to sack the guy and get some one who understands real people instead of the middle class ivory tower he lives in thesaint
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4:03pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
Yes that could be interesting.
Well I would guess that you could meditate on Nam whist doing your Yoga. What would YOU say?
Sorry for my ignorance, what is Nam?

Surely you could not be referring to Non Alligned Movement started by Nehru Tito and Nassar, which has now been hijacked by nations like Iran
Nam: Divine Substance, also translated as "God's attributed self".
Well, at least according to The Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote]Yes that could be interesting.[/p][/quote]Well I would guess that you could meditate on Nam whist doing your Yoga. What would YOU say?[/p][/quote]Sorry for my ignorance, what is Nam? Surely you could not be referring to Non Alligned Movement started by Nehru Tito and Nassar, which has now been hijacked by nations like Iran[/p][/quote]Nam: Divine Substance, also translated as "God's attributed self". Well, at least according to The Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee anyway. Stillness
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4:08pm Wed 26 Sep 12

bobbyboy says...

yawn are we in the 21st century yet or did i miss it i'm sure when i sat at Christs right hand he said to me embrace all my son regardless of origins they are all my children we are mere leaders and preachers not owners of human faiths.
yawn are we in the 21st century yet or did i miss it i'm sure when i sat at Christs right hand he said to me embrace all my son regardless of origins they are all my children we are mere leaders and preachers not owners of human faiths. bobbyboy
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4:19pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
.. lol.
Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.
Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site.
http://www.sgpc.net/

sikhism/sikh-dharma-

manual.html

I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land.


As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all.
Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.
I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that.

Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever.

Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote].. lol. Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.[/p][/quote]Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site. http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land. As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all. Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.[/p][/quote]I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that. Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever. Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess. Georgem
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4:28pm Wed 26 Sep 12

southy says...

bobbyboy wrote:
yawn are we in the 21st century yet or did i miss it i'm sure when i sat at Christs right hand he said to me embrace all my son regardless of origins they are all my children we are mere leaders and preachers not owners of human faiths.
If only all religions who learn to mingle and cross marriage across all faiths.
[quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: yawn are we in the 21st century yet or did i miss it i'm sure when i sat at Christs right hand he said to me embrace all my son regardless of origins they are all my children we are mere leaders and preachers not owners of human faiths.[/p][/quote]If only all religions who learn to mingle and cross marriage across all faiths. southy
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4:28pm Wed 26 Sep 12

sotonboy84 says...

Georgem wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote: The church own the building so they can decide what events go ahead. Don't see why this is a story. Just book another hall.
Exactly. People are being manipulated by a mildly sensationalist headline, but apparently it's the Christians who are unthinking, brain-washed sheep. Go figure.
I agree.
It's nice to see somebody stand strong next to their beliefs and not back down.
Whatever people's different views are, it's Father Chandler who has the final say.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: The church own the building so they can decide what events go ahead. Don't see why this is a story. Just book another hall.[/p][/quote]Exactly. People are being manipulated by a mildly sensationalist headline, but apparently it's the Christians who are unthinking, brain-washed sheep. Go figure.[/p][/quote]I agree. It's nice to see somebody stand strong next to their beliefs and not back down. Whatever people's different views are, it's Father Chandler who has the final say. sotonboy84
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4:33pm Wed 26 Sep 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
.. lol.
Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.
Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site.
http://www.sgpc.net/


sikhism/sikh-dharma-


manual.html

I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land.


As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all.
Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.
I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that.

Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever.

Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.
No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling.

The Green thing was for Free to check up on.

Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote].. lol. Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.[/p][/quote]Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site. http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land. As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all. Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.[/p][/quote]I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that. Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever. Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.[/p][/quote]No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling. The Green thing was for Free to check up on. Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others southy
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4:43pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
Yes that could be interesting.
Well I would guess that you could meditate on Nam whist doing your Yoga. What would YOU say?
Sorry for my ignorance, what is Nam?

Surely you could not be referring to Non Alligned Movement started by Nehru Tito and Nassar, which has now been hijacked by nations like Iran
Nam: Divine Substance, also translated as "God's attributed self".
Well, at least according to The Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee anyway.
Thanks for info. I dare not go to Gurdwara in case God really exists, because for all my sins he/she may drop the celing upon me...

In all fairness SGPC is good source of information if anybody is looking into that kind of stuff. At least they helped me in correcting the pure fiction on certain parts of Sikhism that Southy was posting on this site.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote]Yes that could be interesting.[/p][/quote]Well I would guess that you could meditate on Nam whist doing your Yoga. What would YOU say?[/p][/quote]Sorry for my ignorance, what is Nam? Surely you could not be referring to Non Alligned Movement started by Nehru Tito and Nassar, which has now been hijacked by nations like Iran[/p][/quote]Nam: Divine Substance, also translated as "God's attributed self". Well, at least according to The Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee anyway.[/p][/quote]Thanks for info. I dare not go to Gurdwara in case God really exists, because for all my sins he/she may drop the celing upon me... In all fairness SGPC is good source of information if anybody is looking into that kind of stuff. At least they helped me in correcting the pure fiction on certain parts of Sikhism that Southy was posting on this site. Paramjit Bahia
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4:52pm Wed 26 Sep 12

sarfhamton says...

Stop bashing the bishop!
Stop bashing the bishop! sarfhamton
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5:00pm Wed 26 Sep 12

cantthinkofone says...

Silly decision in my opinion, but it's entirely up to them what they do with their church hall.
Silly decision in my opinion, but it's entirely up to them what they do with their church hall. cantthinkofone
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5:00pm Wed 26 Sep 12

wilson castaway says...

Ahh go on, go on go on go on go on go on go on.........
Ahh go on, go on go on go on go on go on go on......... wilson castaway
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5:06pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Stillness wrote:
"Religion". From the Latin "to rejoin". You have to laugh don't you?
To those who have read the bible but failed to understand it and it's principles saying that focusing on your own well being is not Christian I would point out that without the well people there would not be any people to help the unwell ones. I wonder how many of these people start their prayers with something along the lines of "help me"?
Any organization, religion or otherwise will fail if they base their actions on what was (possibly) said or written thousands of years ago.
Perhaps all religions should think about Rumi's statement "The lamps are different but the light is the same"?
If anyone is wondering he was a 13th century Sufi poet but of course the church will have a fit if they find out that that makes him a Muslim lol.
What a pity not many people know about Sufi version of Islam. Because Woohabi version suited the big powers even intelligence agencies have been promoting its followers, which has led to many of today's major problem.

Some of the Sufi Saints/scholars are also recognised and respected in Sikhism.

Best quote of one often recited in Sikh Gurdwaras basically means 'Let the world go by and mind ones own business'.

Something neither many so called Sikhs practise nor anyone of us is likely to on this site!!!
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: "Religion". From the Latin "to rejoin". You have to laugh don't you? To those who have read the bible but failed to understand it and it's principles saying that focusing on your own well being is not Christian I would point out that without the well people there would not be any people to help the unwell ones. I wonder how many of these people start their prayers with something along the lines of "help me"? Any organization, religion or otherwise will fail if they base their actions on what was (possibly) said or written thousands of years ago. Perhaps all religions should think about Rumi's statement "The lamps are different but the light is the same"? If anyone is wondering he was a 13th century Sufi poet but of course the church will have a fit if they find out that that makes him a Muslim lol.[/p][/quote]What a pity not many people know about Sufi version of Islam. Because Woohabi version suited the big powers even intelligence agencies have been promoting its followers, which has led to many of today's major problem. Some of the Sufi Saints/scholars are also recognised and respected in Sikhism. Best quote of one often recited in Sikh Gurdwaras basically means 'Let the world go by and mind ones own business'. Something neither many so called Sikhs practise nor anyone of us is likely to on this site!!! Paramjit Bahia
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5:09pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
.. lol.
Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.
Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site.
http://www.sgpc.net/



sikhism/sikh-dharma-



manual.html

I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land.


As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all.
Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.
I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that.

Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever.

Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.
No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling.

The Green thing was for Free to check up on.

Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others
Lol you don't learn, do you?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote].. lol. Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.[/p][/quote]Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site. http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land. As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all. Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.[/p][/quote]I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that. Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever. Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.[/p][/quote]No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling. The Green thing was for Free to check up on. Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others[/p][/quote]Lol you don't learn, do you? Georgem
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5:17pm Wed 26 Sep 12

charlotte7933 says...

MGRA wrote:
charlotte7933 wrote:
No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.
so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.
firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.[/p][/quote]so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.[/p][/quote]firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact! charlotte7933
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5:19pm Wed 26 Sep 12

housewife says...

Its a story because they accepted her deposit payment and then broke the contract.
.
If their booking form and system had worked properly THEN it would be a non story.
.
As it is we have bigotry and incompetence working together. Excellent.
Its a story because they accepted her deposit payment and then broke the contract. . If their booking form and system had worked properly THEN it would be a non story. . As it is we have bigotry and incompetence working together. Excellent. housewife
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5:22pm Wed 26 Sep 12

charlotte7933 says...

Vix1 wrote:
It's because yoga focuses on self! As a Christian you consider yourself last and others first. I know people who have done yoga and they tell you it's all about finding your inner self and communicating with your "core". Now question why the church has banned it!!! It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!
at last some one talking sense. blessings vix1
[quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: It's because yoga focuses on self! As a Christian you consider yourself last and others first. I know people who have done yoga and they tell you it's all about finding your inner self and communicating with your "core". Now question why the church has banned it!!! It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches![/p][/quote]at last some one talking sense. blessings vix1 charlotte7933
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5:25pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

charlotte7933 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
charlotte7933 wrote:
No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.
so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.
firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact!
Not to throw oil on the fire, but if God was so appalled by the abuse, why did he take so long to expose it?
[quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.[/p][/quote]so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.[/p][/quote]firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact![/p][/quote]Not to throw oil on the fire, but if God was so appalled by the abuse, why did he take so long to expose it? Georgem
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5:25pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

charlotte7933 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
charlotte7933 wrote:
No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.
so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.
firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact!
Why bring Star Wars in to it? Did Darth do Yoga?
God did not expose the abusers, a priest did. Maybe exposure is another think that should be investigated along with any other dirty habits.
[quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.[/p][/quote]so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.[/p][/quote]firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact![/p][/quote]Why bring Star Wars in to it? Did Darth do Yoga? God did not expose the abusers, a priest did. Maybe exposure is another think that should be investigated along with any other dirty habits. Stillness
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5:27pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Thing even lol. Oops, sorry about that, I had a southy moment.
Thing even lol. Oops, sorry about that, I had a southy moment. Stillness
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5:29pm Wed 26 Sep 12

MisterGrimsdale says...

Stillness wrote:
charlotte7933 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
charlotte7933 wrote:
No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.
so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.
firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact!
Why bring Star Wars in to it? Did Darth do Yoga?
God did not expose the abusers, a priest did. Maybe exposure is another think that should be investigated along with any other dirty habits.
Darth Vader did Yoda? Disgraceful.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.[/p][/quote]so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.[/p][/quote]firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact![/p][/quote]Why bring Star Wars in to it? Did Darth do Yoga? God did not expose the abusers, a priest did. Maybe exposure is another think that should be investigated along with any other dirty habits.[/p][/quote]Darth Vader did Yoda? Disgraceful. MisterGrimsdale
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5:29pm Wed 26 Sep 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
.. lol.
Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.
Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site.
http://www.sgpc.net/




sikhism/sikh-dharma-




manual.html

I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land.


As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all.
Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.
I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that.

Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever.

Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.
No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling.

The Green thing was for Free to check up on.

Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others
Lol you don't learn, do you?
Your the one not learning, Go to there personal web site I give you the link again, and take note how they spell it and there is no other way in spelling it.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


http://www.sgpc.net/
sikhism/sikh-dharma-
manual.html

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^

If you can not take it from me then take it from the people who heads that type of religion.
Then do some research your self and you will find that Rahit is an Arabic name that pre-dates that Religion by 100's of years and older, where as Reht is an Hindu word.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote].. lol. Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.[/p][/quote]Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site. http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land. As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all. Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.[/p][/quote]I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that. Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever. Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.[/p][/quote]No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling. The Green thing was for Free to check up on. Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others[/p][/quote]Lol you don't learn, do you?[/p][/quote]Your the one not learning, Go to there personal web site I give you the link again, and take note how they spell it and there is no other way in spelling it. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ If you can not take it from me then take it from the people who heads that type of religion. Then do some research your self and you will find that Rahit is an Arabic name that pre-dates that Religion by 100's of years and older, where as Reht is an Hindu word. southy
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5:29pm Wed 26 Sep 12

ac1211 says...

Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one.

It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship.

i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.
Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one. It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship. i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint. ac1211
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5:31pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Stillness wrote:
charlotte7933 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
charlotte7933 wrote:
No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.
so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.
firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact!
Why bring Star Wars in to it? Did Darth do Yoga?
God did not expose the abusers, a priest did. Maybe exposure is another think that should be investigated along with any other dirty habits.
Darth Vader did Yoda? Disgraceful.
Rule 34 never fails, so this must exist somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.[/p][/quote]so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.[/p][/quote]firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact![/p][/quote]Why bring Star Wars in to it? Did Darth do Yoga? God did not expose the abusers, a priest did. Maybe exposure is another think that should be investigated along with any other dirty habits.[/p][/quote]Darth Vader did Yoda? Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Rule 34 never fails, so this must exist somewhere. Georgem
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5:33pm Wed 26 Sep 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
.. lol.
Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.
Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site.
http://www.sgpc.net/



sikhism/sikh-dharma-



manual.html

I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land.


As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all.
Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.
I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that.

Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever.

Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.
No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling.

The Green thing was for Free to check up on.

Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others
.. as I keep telling you southy, over and over again, I have NO CONNECTION with the Green Party.

Seems to be a deluded obsession on your part.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote].. lol. Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.[/p][/quote]Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site. http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land. As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all. Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.[/p][/quote]I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that. Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever. Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.[/p][/quote]No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling. The Green thing was for Free to check up on. Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others[/p][/quote].. as I keep telling you southy, over and over again, I have NO CONNECTION with the Green Party. Seems to be a deluded obsession on your part. freefinker
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5:34pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
.. lol.
Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.
Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site.
http://www.sgpc.net/





sikhism/sikh-dharma-





manual.html

I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land.


As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all.
Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.
I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that.

Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever.

Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.
No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling.

The Green thing was for Free to check up on.

Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others
Lol you don't learn, do you?
Your the one not learning, Go to there personal web site I give you the link again, and take note how they spell it and there is no other way in spelling it.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv



http://www.sgpc.net/

sikhism/sikh-dharma-

manual.html

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

^

If you can not take it from me then take it from the people who heads that type of religion.
Then do some research your self and you will find that Rahit is an Arabic name that pre-dates that Religion by 100's of years and older, where as Reht is an Hindu word.
ZZZZZZZZZZ

Give up. You lost that one several months ago. Quite why you want to go through that all over again is beyond me.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote].. lol. Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.[/p][/quote]Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site. http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land. As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all. Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.[/p][/quote]I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that. Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever. Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.[/p][/quote]No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling. The Green thing was for Free to check up on. Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others[/p][/quote]Lol you don't learn, do you?[/p][/quote]Your the one not learning, Go to there personal web site I give you the link again, and take note how they spell it and there is no other way in spelling it. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ If you can not take it from me then take it from the people who heads that type of religion. Then do some research your self and you will find that Rahit is an Arabic name that pre-dates that Religion by 100's of years and older, where as Reht is an Hindu word.[/p][/quote]ZZZZZZZZZZ Give up. You lost that one several months ago. Quite why you want to go through that all over again is beyond me. Georgem
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5:39pm Wed 26 Sep 12

freefinker says...

ac1211 wrote:
Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one.

It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship.

i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.
.. no, it's not a church; it's a church hall.
Do you not know the difference?
[quote][p][bold]ac1211[/bold] wrote: Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one. It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship. i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.[/p][/quote].. no, it's not a church; it's a church hall. Do you not know the difference? freefinker
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5:47pm Wed 26 Sep 12

freefinker says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Georgem wrote:
I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.
.. lol.
Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.
Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site.
http://www.sgpc.net/






sikhism/sikh-dharma-






manual.html

I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land.


As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all.
Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.
I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that.

Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever.

Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.
No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling.

The Green thing was for Free to check up on.

Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others
Lol you don't learn, do you?
Your the one not learning, Go to there personal web site I give you the link again, and take note how they spell it and there is no other way in spelling it.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv




http://www.sgpc.net/


sikhism/sikh-dharma-


manual.html

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


^

If you can not take it from me then take it from the people who heads that type of religion.
Then do some research your self and you will find that Rahit is an Arabic name that pre-dates that Religion by 100's of years and older, where as Reht is an Hindu word.
ZZZZZZZZZZ

Give up. You lost that one several months ago. Quite why you want to go through that all over again is beyond me.
.. agreed.

southy, you need to look at what Paramjit Bahia says; 4:43pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above.

You see, even he knows you are again talking total nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: I wonder what Rahit Maryada would say about all this.[/p][/quote].. lol. Cue southy, but it will take him a while as he needs to translate the wise man’s words from Sikh to English.[/p][/quote]Ask Rahit what he thinks, but if your on about Sikh Reht Maryada then go to there web site. http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html I see the Greens in Brighton have done it again with there none Green Policy, not just cuts now, they want to build on heath land. As for this matter of Yoga, what real hurm is it doing None at all. Maybe this girl needs to find a place right next door and have big signs up saying Yoga classes, would this victor complain still i wonder.[/p][/quote]I can't ask Rahit what he thinks, as he is not a person. We all know this! But let's not dwell on that. Or your bizarre insertion of something about the Green Party for no reason whatsoever. Yoga is indeed doing no harm, but if some stupid priest doesn't want it in his church hall, that's up to him I guess.[/p][/quote]No Rahit is a people first name, Reht is not look at the spelling even go up on there web site to check the spelling. The Green thing was for Free to check up on. Is it up to the Priest you should be asking, I would of though it was up to the church Committee/council to decide or is this priest riding shot gun over all others[/p][/quote]Lol you don't learn, do you?[/p][/quote]Your the one not learning, Go to there personal web site I give you the link again, and take note how they spell it and there is no other way in spelling it. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv http://www.sgpc.net/ sikhism/sikh-dharma- manual.html ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ If you can not take it from me then take it from the people who heads that type of religion. Then do some research your self and you will find that Rahit is an Arabic name that pre-dates that Religion by 100's of years and older, where as Reht is an Hindu word.[/p][/quote]ZZZZZZZZZZ Give up. You lost that one several months ago. Quite why you want to go through that all over again is beyond me.[/p][/quote].. agreed. southy, you need to look at what Paramjit Bahia says; 4:43pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above. You see, even he knows you are again talking total nonsense. freefinker
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5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

It does not give me any pleasure in agreeing with Georgem, Freefinker and few others against Southy who after all is supposed to be a socialist colleague,.

I don’t know if Southy ever learns or not, he most certainly does not give up and definitely does not ever admit that he could be wrong.

Southy, I have even spoken to you in person, and most humbly requested you to stop trying to appear ‘know it all Charlie’.

None of us is perfect, we all make mistakes. But if and when corrected most of us tend to own it. I believe your approach is undermining lots of your hard work and could even be damaging your Socialist Party, for which you in fact work very hard.

I am once again posting copy of e-mail from SGPC on the subject of pure fiction you had posted, but sadly you are still trying to hide behind this or that name and how these could be spelt, thus trying to cover up the original whopper of your own imagination.

So as a fellow socialist I am once again requesting you to stop treating all of us on this site as brain dead people. Even many of your so called capitalists do not try to treat people in this manner.

For the sake of record I have once again posted copy of e-mail from SGPC office, proving you to be wrong. (Only top part of e-mail is missing because it basically is in Punjabi as form of polite address:

Apropos your email dated Aug, 6, 2012, Please be informed that 'Sikh
Rehat Maryada' is not at all named after any person whatsoever. You
please send your complete mailing address enabling us to have a copy
of the same in English dispatched to you, wherein you would find how it
came into being.

(Note: You can also read/download it from our website www.sgpc.net)

Thanking you..
Yours Sincerely,

(Joginder Singh)
OSD to President, SGPC.
It does not give me any pleasure in agreeing with Georgem, Freefinker and few others against Southy who after all is supposed to be a socialist colleague,. I don’t know if Southy ever learns or not, he most certainly does not give up and definitely does not ever admit that he could be wrong. Southy, I have even spoken to you in person, and most humbly requested you to stop trying to appear ‘know it all Charlie’. None of us is perfect, we all make mistakes. But if and when corrected most of us tend to own it. I believe your approach is undermining lots of your hard work and could even be damaging your Socialist Party, for which you in fact work very hard. I am once again posting copy of e-mail from SGPC on the subject of pure fiction you had posted, but sadly you are still trying to hide behind this or that name and how these could be spelt, thus trying to cover up the original whopper of your own imagination. So as a fellow socialist I am once again requesting you to stop treating all of us on this site as brain dead people. Even many of your so called capitalists do not try to treat people in this manner. For the sake of record I have once again posted copy of e-mail from SGPC office, proving you to be wrong. (Only top part of e-mail is missing because it basically is in Punjabi as form of polite address: Apropos your email dated Aug, 6, 2012, Please be informed that 'Sikh Rehat Maryada' is not at all named after any person whatsoever. You please send your complete mailing address enabling us to have a copy of the same in English dispatched to you, wherein you would find how it came into being. (Note: You can also read/download it from our website www.sgpc.net) Thanking you.. Yours Sincerely, (Joginder Singh) OSD to President, SGPC. Paramjit Bahia
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6:01pm Wed 26 Sep 12

ac1211 says...

freefinker wrote:
ac1211 wrote:
Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one.

It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship.

i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.
.. no, it's not a church; it's a church hall.
Do you not know the difference?
To be honest i don't see what difference it makes,its the same organisation and its their right to say what goes on there,they own the property and they say what goes.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ac1211[/bold] wrote: Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one. It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship. i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.[/p][/quote].. no, it's not a church; it's a church hall. Do you not know the difference?[/p][/quote]To be honest i don't see what difference it makes,its the same organisation and its their right to say what goes on there,they own the property and they say what goes. ac1211
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6:01pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

ac1211 wrote:
Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one.

It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship.

i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.
Dear Mr Oldfashioned.
The word church originally meant belong to the lord as in the lord of the land and not a sacred place. Also as people are keen on saying, one can be a member of a church. Now you must admit that it would be very hard to be a member of a building. What they are referring to is the organization. They are a member of an organization a bit like a supporters club. If you want to find somewhere sacred just look under you feet. It's called planet Earth, we all live on it and if we all remember that it is as sacred as any place you will ever find and act accordingly we would not have a need for the supporters clubs and the bloody committees that go with them.
[quote][p][bold]ac1211[/bold] wrote: Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one. It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship. i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.[/p][/quote]Dear Mr Oldfashioned. The word church originally meant belong to the lord as in the lord of the land and not a sacred place. Also as people are keen on saying, one can be a member of a church. Now you must admit that it would be very hard to be a member of a building. What they are referring to is the organization. They are a member of an organization a bit like a supporters club. If you want to find somewhere sacred just look under you feet. It's called planet Earth, we all live on it and if we all remember that it is as sacred as any place you will ever find and act accordingly we would not have a need for the supporters clubs and the bloody committees that go with them. Stillness
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6:15pm Wed 26 Sep 12

freefinker says...

ac1211 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
ac1211 wrote:
Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one.

It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship.

i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.
.. no, it's not a church; it's a church hall.
Do you not know the difference?
To be honest i don't see what difference it makes,its the same organisation and its their right to say what goes on there,they own the property and they say what goes.
.. yes, it's within their rights to refuse to allow yoga in the church hall - agreed.

However your original post clearly and on several occasions mentions a 'church' - not a church hall.

If you can't see the difference between the two, and the activities they respectively entertain, then you don't have much of a clue on the subject under discussion.
[quote][p][bold]ac1211[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ac1211[/bold] wrote: Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one. It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship. i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.[/p][/quote].. no, it's not a church; it's a church hall. Do you not know the difference?[/p][/quote]To be honest i don't see what difference it makes,its the same organisation and its their right to say what goes on there,they own the property and they say what goes.[/p][/quote].. yes, it's within their rights to refuse to allow yoga in the church hall - agreed. However your original post clearly and on several occasions mentions a 'church' - not a church hall. If you can't see the difference between the two, and the activities they respectively entertain, then you don't have much of a clue on the subject under discussion. freefinker
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6:26pm Wed 26 Sep 12

charlotte7933 says...

BenjiWinsor wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions.

None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity.

Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example.

As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!"

Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure!
hear hear!
we said
[quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure![/p][/quote]hear hear![/p][/quote]we said charlotte7933
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6:26pm Wed 26 Sep 12

charlotte7933 says...

BenjiWinsor wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions.

None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity.

Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example.

As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!"

Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure!
hear hear!
we said
[quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure![/p][/quote]hear hear![/p][/quote]we said charlotte7933
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6:32pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Must admit it all seems a bit hypocritical considering the blood letting and cannibalism that goes on at the communion rail.
Must admit it all seems a bit hypocritical considering the blood letting and cannibalism that goes on at the communion rail. Stillness
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6:55pm Wed 26 Sep 12

eurogordi says...

This story has just been featured on BBC South Today and it appears that the instructor, Cori Withell, booked the hall for pilates and it was only later that the church discovered the classes would combine pilates AND yoga.

Did Cori already know that the church would refuse her teaching yoga which is why she failed to disclose her true intentions when the booking was made? Could this be a very clever publicity trick on her part, especially as the classes have now been moved to a local Hindu temple?

At least Father Chandler has been honest in stating the church's opposition to yoga, whereas Ms. Withell now appears to have been less than honest by failing to reveal her true intentions!
This story has just been featured on BBC South Today and it appears that the instructor, Cori Withell, booked the hall for pilates and it was only later that the church discovered the classes would combine pilates AND yoga. Did Cori already know that the church would refuse her teaching yoga which is why she failed to disclose her true intentions when the booking was made? Could this be a very clever publicity trick on her part, especially as the classes have now been moved to a local Hindu temple? At least Father Chandler has been honest in stating the church's opposition to yoga, whereas Ms. Withell now appears to have been less than honest by failing to reveal her true intentions! eurogordi
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7:22pm Wed 26 Sep 12

S Pance says...

I understand that ultimately it is the Priests "party" and he can invite who he wants but I believe this priest is misguided in this case.

Whilst true Yoga originated as a form of transcendental meditation and is thus Hindu in origin, most modern day "yoga" is purely a relaxation class which bares no relation to the Hindu ritual.

Besides, the Roman Catholic Church has adopted many rituals from other religions and called them their own so in my opinion this is a little two faced.

In any event, the RC church should be tolerant of the beliefs of others, rather than confrontational as they appear to be in this case.
I understand that ultimately it is the Priests "party" and he can invite who he wants but I believe this priest is misguided in this case. Whilst true Yoga originated as a form of transcendental meditation and is thus Hindu in origin, most modern day "yoga" is purely a relaxation class which bares no relation to the Hindu ritual. Besides, the Roman Catholic Church has adopted many rituals from other religions and called them their own so in my opinion this is a little two faced. In any event, the RC church should be tolerant of the beliefs of others, rather than confrontational as they appear to be in this case. S Pance
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7:27pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

eurogordi wrote:
This story has just been featured on BBC South Today and it appears that the instructor, Cori Withell, booked the hall for pilates and it was only later that the church discovered the classes would combine pilates AND yoga.

Did Cori already know that the church would refuse her teaching yoga which is why she failed to disclose her true intentions when the booking was made? Could this be a very clever publicity trick on her part, especially as the classes have now been moved to a local Hindu temple?

At least Father Chandler has been honest in stating the church's opposition to yoga, whereas Ms. Withell now appears to have been less than honest by failing to reveal her true intentions!
WOW! The distance you can jump you should try out for the Olympics.
One thing is for sure, if i ever want a publicity stunt organized I go to Cori rather than Father Chandler. His response to this is going to alienate the catholic church even further and with it's recent "troubles" it could well do without any more.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: This story has just been featured on BBC South Today and it appears that the instructor, Cori Withell, booked the hall for pilates and it was only later that the church discovered the classes would combine pilates AND yoga. Did Cori already know that the church would refuse her teaching yoga which is why she failed to disclose her true intentions when the booking was made? Could this be a very clever publicity trick on her part, especially as the classes have now been moved to a local Hindu temple? At least Father Chandler has been honest in stating the church's opposition to yoga, whereas Ms. Withell now appears to have been less than honest by failing to reveal her true intentions![/p][/quote]WOW! The distance you can jump you should try out for the Olympics. One thing is for sure, if i ever want a publicity stunt organized I go to Cori rather than Father Chandler. His response to this is going to alienate the catholic church even further and with it's recent "troubles" it could well do without any more. Stillness
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7:31pm Wed 26 Sep 12

bazzeroz says...

Another of my comments removed! Echo, you have double standards. Remove mine and leave other obvious 'similar' comments. You make me sick!
Another of my comments removed! Echo, you have double standards. Remove mine and leave other obvious 'similar' comments. You make me sick! bazzeroz
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7:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12

GrahamTheRetired says...

There are different types of Yoga and what Cori Withell sounds to be teaching is just Hatha Yoga ie exercise.

The hypocritical Catholic Church is trying to raise its ugly head again. In view of all the current bad press with its covering up of child rape by its priests (a very high proportion of supposedly celibate incumbants). They would do well to keep a low profile. This doesn't even begin to raise the questions of the 'Dark Ages' when the Church ruled and tortured and murdered anyone who disagreed with their view of (an unproveable) 'Truth'.
The inquisition, the Holy Wars (like Muslim Jihad), the witch burning, the terrible treatment of women etc. all add up to something to be avoided rather than be proud and pompous about your religion. Christianity has thousand of denominations, who all interpret scripture and dogma differently. So who are this Church and minister to criticize other religions?

The sooner all religions dissappear, the better, as they can't keep their bronze-age opinions to themselves.
There are different types of Yoga and what Cori Withell sounds to be teaching is just Hatha Yoga ie exercise. The hypocritical Catholic Church is trying to raise its ugly head again. In view of all the current bad press with its covering up of child rape by its priests (a very high proportion of supposedly celibate incumbants). They would do well to keep a low profile. This doesn't even begin to raise the questions of the 'Dark Ages' when the Church ruled and tortured and murdered anyone who disagreed with their view of (an unproveable) 'Truth'. The inquisition, the Holy Wars (like Muslim Jihad), the witch burning, the terrible treatment of women etc. all add up to something to be avoided rather than be proud and pompous about your religion. Christianity has thousand of denominations, who all interpret scripture and dogma differently. So who are this Church and minister to criticize other religions? The sooner all religions dissappear, the better, as they can't keep their bronze-age opinions to themselves. GrahamTheRetired
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8:05pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Scrutinizer says...

Well, the sh1t has certainly hit the fan on this one...
Well, the sh1t has certainly hit the fan on this one... Scrutinizer
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8:06pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

It's their Church Hall and they can say and do what they want. You have had more than your fifteen mins of mock indignation. Please, now, shut up and no more stupid bits on South Today. Hilarious.
It's their Church Hall and they can say and do what they want. You have had more than your fifteen mins of mock indignation. Please, now, shut up and no more stupid bits on South Today. Hilarious. Sir Ad E Noid
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8:18pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
It's their Church Hall and they can say and do what they want. You have had more than your fifteen mins of mock indignation. Please, now, shut up and no more stupid bits on South Today. Hilarious.
Oh, the congregation took a vote. I must have missed that bit.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: It's their Church Hall and they can say and do what they want. You have had more than your fifteen mins of mock indignation. Please, now, shut up and no more stupid bits on South Today. Hilarious.[/p][/quote]Oh, the congregation took a vote. I must have missed that bit. Stillness
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8:37pm Wed 26 Sep 12

charlotte7933 says...

charlotte7933 wrote:
BenjiWinsor wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions.

None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity.

Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example.

As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!"

Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure!
hear hear!
we said
well said
[quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure![/p][/quote]hear hear![/p][/quote]we said[/p][/quote]well said charlotte7933
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8:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12

arthur boutfaith says...

It's a shame really, from what I understand the Bishop was prepared to bend over backwards to accommodate them, but the Priest was having none of it.
It's a shame really, from what I understand the Bishop was prepared to bend over backwards to accommodate them, but the Priest was having none of it. arthur boutfaith
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9:16pm Wed 26 Sep 12

MGRA says...

charlotte7933 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
charlotte7933 wrote:
No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.
so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.
firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact!
you are living in a fantasy land... get real... No CofE officers protected and harboured child rapists.... The catholic church is a dangerous place for children, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlotte7933[/bold] wrote: No one is saying yoga is religous. Yoga is spiritural. Which is why the catholic church can't allow it on church premises. I totally agree with the priest. when doing yoga you are entering into meditation. As father said St Edmunds is a catholic church. Yoga's origon is from the hindu faith. Our God says in scripture that alternative therapies should be avoided theres NO alternative to god. seek god for peace and relaxation. meditate on god. The results are very rewarding. I have had teaching on this and have heard that rather than being a positive excercise it can have very negative affects. There are lots of other forms of exercise that is far safer than yoga. this would be why the priest said no when you said abiut the yoga. pilate is just as good if not better than yoga.[/p][/quote]so how come 100s of child molestors were allowed to abuse children on catholic church premises then and then protected from prosecution ?? what does "your god" say about that ?? regards Yoga,,,, you say its unsafe ! I would rather send my children to a Yoga class than allow them to be in the sole care of a catholic priest !! Thats how "safe" yoga is, you are far less likely to get sexually abused.[/p][/quote]firstly you can not blame every priest for abuse, and if you had your facts right then you would know that it was also c of e vicars to. your reply is all to common of the ignorance in society regarding these terrible crimes. Oh and god is appalled at it which why he exposed the abusers. Not that the yoga subject has anything to do with abuse! and yes you probably would take your child to yoga ignoranse must be bliss eh. yoga is channelling into the dark side. fact![/p][/quote]you are living in a fantasy land... get real... No CofE officers protected and harboured child rapists.... The catholic church is a dangerous place for children, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. MGRA
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9:18pm Wed 26 Sep 12

G0Rf says...

St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church?

NOT a church of england christian church???
St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church? NOT a church of england christian church??? G0Rf
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9:18pm Wed 26 Sep 12

G0Rf says...

St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church?

NOT a church of england christian church???
St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church? NOT a church of england christian church??? G0Rf
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9:18pm Wed 26 Sep 12

G0Rf says...

St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church?

NOT a church of england christian church???
St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church? NOT a church of england christian church??? G0Rf
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9:18pm Wed 26 Sep 12

G0Rf says...

St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church?

NOT a church of england christian church???
St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church? NOT a church of england christian church??? G0Rf
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9:18pm Wed 26 Sep 12

G0Rf says...

St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church?

NOT a church of england christian church???
St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church? NOT a church of england christian church??? G0Rf
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9:18pm Wed 26 Sep 12

G0Rf says...

St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church?

NOT a church of england christian church???
St Edmunds is a ROMAN CATHOLIC church? NOT a church of england christian church??? G0Rf
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9:19pm Wed 26 Sep 12

MGRA says...

ac1211 wrote:
Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one.

It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship.

i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.
call me old fashioned but to me a church is not a place where children should be raped by priests.
[quote][p][bold]ac1211[/bold] wrote: Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one. It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship. i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.[/p][/quote]call me old fashioned but to me a church is not a place where children should be raped by priests. MGRA
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9:31pm Wed 26 Sep 12

G0Rf says...

whoops didnt mean to click so many times, sticky buttons I think!
whoops didnt mean to click so many times, sticky buttons I think! G0Rf
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9:31pm Wed 26 Sep 12

S Pance says...

Just to clarify, true Yoga IS a religious activity. It is one of the six schools of Hindu philosophy.

However, the yoga being practiced here is the westernised version, essentially a glorified excercise/relaxation class with no connection to the Hindu religion, save for the name.
Just to clarify, true Yoga IS a religious activity. It is one of the six schools of Hindu philosophy. However, the yoga being practiced here is the westernised version, essentially a glorified excercise/relaxation class with no connection to the Hindu religion, save for the name. S Pance
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9:32pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MGRA wrote:
ac1211 wrote:
Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one.

It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship.

i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.
call me old fashioned but to me a church is not a place where children should be raped by priests.
We get it. You once read a story about child abuse within the church. Well done.

When you've mastered basic logic, and correcting faulty reasoning, let us know. Start with finding out what the association fallacy is.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ac1211[/bold] wrote: Call me old fashioned but to me a church is a sacred place where people can go to seek comfort and refuge from lifes troubles whether they believe in god or not,however i can understand exactly where the church is coming from on this and i think the decision not to allow yoga classes to take place there is the right one. It is a church after all and to me it wouldn't seem right as yoga uses meditation as well as exercises and where it may not be a religion it is still in a different mindset to the christian belief and lets face it that's why they were built in the first place for people to come together and worship. i personally would be against everyday keep fit classes taking place in a church because it starts to undermine its importance.and by the way i have not been to church since i was a kid so im not coming from a religious standpoint.[/p][/quote]call me old fashioned but to me a church is not a place where children should be raped by priests.[/p][/quote]We get it. You once read a story about child abuse within the church. Well done. When you've mastered basic logic, and correcting faulty reasoning, let us know. Start with finding out what the association fallacy is. Georgem
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10:42pm Wed 26 Sep 12

MGRA says...

you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting
you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting MGRA
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10:48pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Turtlebay says...

The facts are, this woman booked a room for use with the Pilates course only. After booking the room it came out that she was going to be using it for other things including teaching spiritual yoga which goes against the teaching of Christianity.

No one is trying to force the non believers to believe in God, therefore likewise the practitioners of non Christian worship should find alternative premises to practice theit beliefs.
The facts are, this woman booked a room for use with the Pilates course only. After booking the room it came out that she was going to be using it for other things including teaching spiritual yoga which goes against the teaching of Christianity. No one is trying to force the non believers to believe in God, therefore likewise the practitioners of non Christian worship should find alternative premises to practice theit beliefs. Turtlebay
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11:10pm Wed 26 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Turtlebay wrote:
The facts are, this woman booked a room for use with the Pilates course only. After booking the room it came out that she was going to be using it for other things including teaching spiritual yoga which goes against the teaching of Christianity.

No one is trying to force the non believers to believe in God, therefore likewise the practitioners of non Christian worship should find alternative premises to practice theit beliefs.
you are a moron who can not read. Read the article again and then comment, this time without invented garbage. Pilates takes "spirituality" as much as western contemporary yoga, you are as ignorant and the bigot priest.....
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: The facts are, this woman booked a room for use with the Pilates course only. After booking the room it came out that she was going to be using it for other things including teaching spiritual yoga which goes against the teaching of Christianity. No one is trying to force the non believers to believe in God, therefore likewise the practitioners of non Christian worship should find alternative premises to practice theit beliefs.[/p][/quote]you are a moron who can not read. Read the article again and then comment, this time without invented garbage. Pilates takes "spirituality" as much as western contemporary yoga, you are as ignorant and the bigot priest..... MGRA
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11:24pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Stephen J says...

Turtlebay wrote:
The facts are, this woman booked a room for use with the Pilates course only. After booking the room it came out that she was going to be using it for other things including teaching spiritual yoga which goes against the teaching of Christianity.

No one is trying to force the non believers to believe in God, therefore likewise the practitioners of non Christian worship should find alternative premises to practice theit beliefs.
What "beliefs"? Yoga as practised in this context is not dependant upon nor promotes any beliefs at all. Yoga is no more Hindu than a roast Sunday dinner is Christian. Where do you get this "non-Christian worship" stuff from?
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: The facts are, this woman booked a room for use with the Pilates course only. After booking the room it came out that she was going to be using it for other things including teaching spiritual yoga which goes against the teaching of Christianity. No one is trying to force the non believers to believe in God, therefore likewise the practitioners of non Christian worship should find alternative premises to practice theit beliefs.[/p][/quote]What "beliefs"? Yoga as practised in this context is not dependant upon nor promotes any beliefs at all. Yoga is no more Hindu than a roast Sunday dinner is Christian. Where do you get this "non-Christian worship" stuff from? Stephen J
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11:31pm Wed 26 Sep 12

kingnotail says...

The catholic church, where homosexuality is one of the worst sins possible. Unless of course you are molesting young boys..
The catholic church, where homosexuality is one of the worst sins possible. Unless of course you are molesting young boys.. kingnotail
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12:02am Thu 27 Sep 12

mack chinnon says...

Saints have got Leeds in the next round of the league cup at there house.
Saints have got Leeds in the next round of the league cup at there house. mack chinnon
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12:10am Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

kingnotail wrote:
The catholic church, where homosexuality is one of the worst sins possible. Unless of course you are molesting young boys..
ah , but that is a "weakness" to be hidden and "hushed" up.... does Yoga now seem irrelevant ? Yes it does and well done Echo for allowing us to point out this disgusting hypocracy. Hide paedophilia, but jump up and down and "ban" Yoga !?!?! Way to go Catholicism..... WHY on earth are the pews empty ?? any ideas ??
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: The catholic church, where homosexuality is one of the worst sins possible. Unless of course you are molesting young boys..[/p][/quote]ah , but that is a "weakness" to be hidden and "hushed" up.... does Yoga now seem irrelevant ? Yes it does and well done Echo for allowing us to point out this disgusting hypocracy. Hide paedophilia, but jump up and down and "ban" Yoga !?!?! Way to go Catholicism..... WHY on earth are the pews empty ?? any ideas ?? MGRA
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12:36am Thu 27 Sep 12

TheJoiners says...

I bet if it was a kids only yoga class where the priest could also play would be ok?
Despise EVERYTHING the catholic church stands for, vile and corrupt at every turn.
I bet if it was a kids only yoga class where the priest could also play would be ok? Despise EVERYTHING the catholic church stands for, vile and corrupt at every turn. TheJoiners
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8:10am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MGRA wrote:
you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting
Lol
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting[/p][/quote]Lol Georgem
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8:10am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MGRA wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
The facts are, this woman booked a room for use with the Pilates course only. After booking the room it came out that she was going to be using it for other things including teaching spiritual yoga which goes against the teaching of Christianity.

No one is trying to force the non believers to believe in God, therefore likewise the practitioners of non Christian worship should find alternative premises to practice theit beliefs.
you are a moron who can not read. Read the article again and then comment, this time without invented garbage. Pilates takes "spirituality" as much as western contemporary yoga, you are as ignorant and the bigot priest.....
What an angry little boy you are.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: The facts are, this woman booked a room for use with the Pilates course only. After booking the room it came out that she was going to be using it for other things including teaching spiritual yoga which goes against the teaching of Christianity. No one is trying to force the non believers to believe in God, therefore likewise the practitioners of non Christian worship should find alternative premises to practice theit beliefs.[/p][/quote]you are a moron who can not read. Read the article again and then comment, this time without invented garbage. Pilates takes "spirituality" as much as western contemporary yoga, you are as ignorant and the bigot priest.....[/p][/quote]What an angry little boy you are. Georgem
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9:05am Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting
Lol
hilarious isn't it..... glad you find it so funny.... you probably have a hundred and one excuses for the 100s of paedophile catholic priests and no doubt can think of many reasons why their countless victims were "to blame".... keep going you are the perfect advert for why people should avoid the catholic church and its sins. Ah but for you and the rest of the brainwashed sheep, those were just "stories"....
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting[/p][/quote]Lol[/p][/quote]hilarious isn't it..... glad you find it so funny.... you probably have a hundred and one excuses for the 100s of paedophile catholic priests and no doubt can think of many reasons why their countless victims were "to blame".... keep going you are the perfect advert for why people should avoid the catholic church and its sins. Ah but for you and the rest of the brainwashed sheep, those were just "stories".... MGRA
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9:23am Thu 27 Sep 12

Stillness says...

MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting
Lol
hilarious isn't it..... glad you find it so funny.... you probably have a hundred and one excuses for the 100s of paedophile catholic priests and no doubt can think of many reasons why their countless victims were "to blame".... keep going you are the perfect advert for why people should avoid the catholic church and its sins. Ah but for you and the rest of the brainwashed sheep, those were just "stories"....
Is MGRA a new type of super bug that effects brain tissue? The church is an organization, it is neither good nor bad, it does not have sins. It has members that have committed sins. You should be careful how many people you are painting with that big broad brush of yours.
Your outburst at Georgem shows that you have missed the point. Ironic that the original meaning of sin was "to miss the mark".
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting[/p][/quote]Lol[/p][/quote]hilarious isn't it..... glad you find it so funny.... you probably have a hundred and one excuses for the 100s of paedophile catholic priests and no doubt can think of many reasons why their countless victims were "to blame".... keep going you are the perfect advert for why people should avoid the catholic church and its sins. Ah but for you and the rest of the brainwashed sheep, those were just "stories"....[/p][/quote]Is MGRA a new type of super bug that effects brain tissue? The church is an organization, it is neither good nor bad, it does not have sins. It has members that have committed sins. You should be careful how many people you are painting with that big broad brush of yours. Your outburst at Georgem shows that you have missed the point. Ironic that the original meaning of sin was "to miss the mark". Stillness
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9:35am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting
Lol
hilarious isn't it..... glad you find it so funny.... you probably have a hundred and one excuses for the 100s of paedophile catholic priests and no doubt can think of many reasons why their countless victims were "to blame".... keep going you are the perfect advert for why people should avoid the catholic church and its sins. Ah but for you and the rest of the brainwashed sheep, those were just "stories"....
Even funnier! Keep up the good work. It's been a long time since I had my very own jester.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting[/p][/quote]Lol[/p][/quote]hilarious isn't it..... glad you find it so funny.... you probably have a hundred and one excuses for the 100s of paedophile catholic priests and no doubt can think of many reasons why their countless victims were "to blame".... keep going you are the perfect advert for why people should avoid the catholic church and its sins. Ah but for you and the rest of the brainwashed sheep, those were just "stories"....[/p][/quote]Even funnier! Keep up the good work. It's been a long time since I had my very own jester. Georgem
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9:37am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Stillness wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting
Lol
hilarious isn't it..... glad you find it so funny.... you probably have a hundred and one excuses for the 100s of paedophile catholic priests and no doubt can think of many reasons why their countless victims were "to blame".... keep going you are the perfect advert for why people should avoid the catholic church and its sins. Ah but for you and the rest of the brainwashed sheep, those were just "stories"....
Is MGRA a new type of super bug that effects brain tissue? The church is an organization, it is neither good nor bad, it does not have sins. It has members that have committed sins. You should be careful how many people you are painting with that big broad brush of yours.
Your outburst at Georgem shows that you have missed the point. Ironic that the original meaning of sin was "to miss the mark".
Well put.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: you don't get it. I did not "once" read a story about child abuse... I have read "over 50 accounts" of child abuse. the catholic church has abused 1000s of children. they are "accounts", not "stories", Your denial of the reality is a perfect illustration of why the hundreds of catholic perverts have been hidden by the church for so long.... you think they are "stories",, which is frankly disgusting[/p][/quote]Lol[/p][/quote]hilarious isn't it..... glad you find it so funny.... you probably have a hundred and one excuses for the 100s of paedophile catholic priests and no doubt can think of many reasons why their countless victims were "to blame".... keep going you are the perfect advert for why people should avoid the catholic church and its sins. Ah but for you and the rest of the brainwashed sheep, those were just "stories"....[/p][/quote]Is MGRA a new type of super bug that effects brain tissue? The church is an organization, it is neither good nor bad, it does not have sins. It has members that have committed sins. You should be careful how many people you are painting with that big broad brush of yours. Your outburst at Georgem shows that you have missed the point. Ironic that the original meaning of sin was "to miss the mark".[/p][/quote]Well put. Georgem
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9:45am Thu 27 Sep 12

Goldenwight says...

eurogordi wrote:
I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions.

None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity.

Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example.

As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!"

Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure!
You have personal concerns about those churches which allow practises which started in other religions.

You must have serious problems with Christianity, then, rooted as it is in Judaeism. Not to mention the pagan spiritual elements which were later incorporated in Northern Europe.

Or would this be a case of being selective in your interpretation of the Word of God. Much as the
Spanish Inquisition and the Ku Klux Klan were rather picky about how THEY interpreted it. But that is OK, because they were Christians after all.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure![/p][/quote]You have personal concerns about those churches which allow practises which started in other religions. You must have serious problems with Christianity, then, rooted as it is in Judaeism. Not to mention the pagan spiritual elements which were later incorporated in Northern Europe. Or would this be a case of being selective in your interpretation of the Word of God. Much as the Spanish Inquisition and the Ku Klux Klan were rather picky about how THEY interpreted it. But that is OK, because they were Christians after all. Goldenwight
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10:09am Thu 27 Sep 12

badengk1 says...

Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now. badengk1
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10:13am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

badengk1 wrote:
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.
[quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.[/p][/quote]Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools. Georgem
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10:52am Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Georgem wrote:
badengk1 wrote:
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.
yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.[/p][/quote]Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.[/p][/quote]yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools. MGRA
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10:55am Thu 27 Sep 12

freefinker says...

.. southy, I do hope you return to this story and read Paramjit at 5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above.

You really do need to take his advise.
.. southy, I do hope you return to this story and read Paramjit at 5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above. You really do need to take his advise. freefinker
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11:03am Thu 27 Sep 12

rich the stitch says...

freefinker wrote:
.. southy, I do hope you return to this story and read Paramjit at 5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above. You really do need to take his advise.
Funny how he's gone quiet.
I also like the fact he posted a link on here, but I'm sure he's told us all countless times that any link that anyone else puts on here is wrong or been hacked. Interesting how the hackers from all over the world have nothing better to do than change facts/ figures just to make Southy look foolish.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. southy, I do hope you return to this story and read Paramjit at 5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above. You really do need to take his advise.[/p][/quote]Funny how he's gone quiet. I also like the fact he posted a link on here, but I'm sure he's told us all countless times that any link that anyone else puts on here is wrong or been hacked. Interesting how the hackers from all over the world have nothing better to do than change facts/ figures just to make Southy look foolish. rich the stitch
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11:04am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
badengk1 wrote:
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.
yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.
Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.[/p][/quote]Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.[/p][/quote]yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work. Georgem
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11:07am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

rich the stitch wrote:
freefinker wrote:
.. southy, I do hope you return to this story and read Paramjit at 5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above. You really do need to take his advise.
Funny how he's gone quiet.
I also like the fact he posted a link on here, but I'm sure he's told us all countless times that any link that anyone else puts on here is wrong or been hacked. Interesting how the hackers from all over the world have nothing better to do than change facts/ figures just to make Southy look foolish.
The really amusing part is, the link he's posted quite clearly proves him to be wrong on that matter.
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. southy, I do hope you return to this story and read Paramjit at 5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above. You really do need to take his advise.[/p][/quote]Funny how he's gone quiet. I also like the fact he posted a link on here, but I'm sure he's told us all countless times that any link that anyone else puts on here is wrong or been hacked. Interesting how the hackers from all over the world have nothing better to do than change facts/ figures just to make Southy look foolish.[/p][/quote]The really amusing part is, the link he's posted quite clearly proves him to be wrong on that matter. Georgem
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11:14am Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled.
What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.
I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled. What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window. MGRA
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11:14am Thu 27 Sep 12

cliffwalker says...

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.
It seems to me that in the terms of your owncontribution you condemn yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.[/p][/quote]It seems to me that in the terms of your owncontribution you condemn yourself. cliffwalker
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11:17am Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
badengk1 wrote:
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.
yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.
Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.
baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.[/p][/quote]Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.[/p][/quote]yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.[/p][/quote]baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa MGRA
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11:18am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MGRA wrote:
I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled.
What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.
What "hear no, see no, speak no" outlook would that be, then? I've made no reference to any of that whatsoever. You're filling in the gaps in your own lack of reading comprehension. Carry on, though, it's quite amusing.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled. What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.[/p][/quote]What "hear no, see no, speak no" outlook would that be, then? I've made no reference to any of that whatsoever. You're filling in the gaps in your own lack of reading comprehension. Carry on, though, it's quite amusing. Georgem
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11:19am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
badengk1 wrote:
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.
yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.
Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.
baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa
You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete tits use that these days.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.[/p][/quote]Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.[/p][/quote]yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.[/p][/quote]baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa[/p][/quote]You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete ti[bold][/bold]ts use that these days. Georgem
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11:46am Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
badengk1 wrote:
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.
yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.
Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.
baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa
You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete tits use that these days.
does not sound very christian of you George,,, using a misogynist term like that ! shame on you, one for the confessional box perheps... Anyway its easy to tie up supposed "christian" catholics in a knot with the question they can never answer without making themselves look stupid and contradicting their so called religion.... "is it ok to say 'Jesus' ! after you sneeze".... ?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.[/p][/quote]Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.[/p][/quote]yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.[/p][/quote]baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa[/p][/quote]You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete ti[bold][/bold]ts use that these days.[/p][/quote]does not sound very christian of you George,,, using a misogynist term like that ! shame on you, one for the confessional box perheps... Anyway its easy to tie up supposed "christian" catholics in a knot with the question they can never answer without making themselves look stupid and contradicting their so called religion.... "is it ok to say 'Jesus' ! after you sneeze".... ? MGRA
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11:49am Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
badengk1 wrote:
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.
yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.
Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.
baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa
You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete tits use that these days.
does not sound very christian of you George,,, using a misogynist term like that ! shame on you, one for the confessional box perheps... Anyway its easy to tie up supposed "christian" catholics in a knot with the question they can never answer without making themselves look stupid and contradicting their so called religion.... "is it ok to say 'Jesus' ! after you sneeze".... ?
I'm not a Christian, so it's ok.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.[/p][/quote]Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.[/p][/quote]yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.[/p][/quote]baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa[/p][/quote]You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete ti[bold][/bold]ts use that these days.[/p][/quote]does not sound very christian of you George,,, using a misogynist term like that ! shame on you, one for the confessional box perheps... Anyway its easy to tie up supposed "christian" catholics in a knot with the question they can never answer without making themselves look stupid and contradicting their so called religion.... "is it ok to say 'Jesus' ! after you sneeze".... ?[/p][/quote]I'm not a Christian, so it's ok. Georgem
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11:59am Thu 27 Sep 12

Stillness says...

MGRA wrote:
I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled.
What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.
Is there anything you don't rant about?
For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously).
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled. What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.[/p][/quote]Is there anything you don't rant about? For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously). Stillness
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12:01pm Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Stillness wrote:
MGRA wrote:
I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled.
What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.
Is there anything you don't rant about?
For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously).
I am as calm as a cucumber. Rants are in Caps....
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled. What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.[/p][/quote]Is there anything you don't rant about? For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously).[/p][/quote]I am as calm as a cucumber. Rants are in Caps.... MGRA
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12:02pm Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
badengk1 wrote:
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.
yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.
Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.
baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa
You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete tits use that these days.
does not sound very christian of you George,,, using a misogynist term like that ! shame on you, one for the confessional box perheps... Anyway its easy to tie up supposed "christian" catholics in a knot with the question they can never answer without making themselves look stupid and contradicting their so called religion.... "is it ok to say 'Jesus' ! after you sneeze".... ?
I'm not a Christian, so it's ok.
stop spoiling the fun, pretend you are and answer the ****ing question !! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.[/p][/quote]Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.[/p][/quote]yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.[/p][/quote]baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa[/p][/quote]You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete ti[bold][/bold]ts use that these days.[/p][/quote]does not sound very christian of you George,,, using a misogynist term like that ! shame on you, one for the confessional box perheps... Anyway its easy to tie up supposed "christian" catholics in a knot with the question they can never answer without making themselves look stupid and contradicting their so called religion.... "is it ok to say 'Jesus' ! after you sneeze".... ?[/p][/quote]I'm not a Christian, so it's ok.[/p][/quote]stop spoiling the fun, pretend you are and answer the ****ing question !! ;-) MGRA
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12:10pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Georgem says...

MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Georgem wrote:
badengk1 wrote:
Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.
Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.
yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.
Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.
baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa
You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete tits use that these days.
does not sound very christian of you George,,, using a misogynist term like that ! shame on you, one for the confessional box perheps... Anyway its easy to tie up supposed "christian" catholics in a knot with the question they can never answer without making themselves look stupid and contradicting their so called religion.... "is it ok to say 'Jesus' ! after you sneeze".... ?
I'm not a Christian, so it's ok.
stop spoiling the fun, pretend you are and answer the ****ing question !! ;-)
Oh, ok.

Sneezing is Gods way of dispelling concentrated Satan out of your body. It's perfectly ok to utter the name of Our Lord after this happens.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: Its in their church hall. Its not going to impose on any religious goings on within the church its self. What happens when come theif comes along and nicks the lead off the building, maybe the money recieved for the hire of the hall can go towards the up keep of the church. No wonder I know no one appart from a few of my nans friends who attend church if they are so short sighted and fickle like that. makes me want to go to church even less now.[/p][/quote]Huh? People generally stop going to church because they stop being religious. If someone still believes in these silly superstitions, but decides not to go to church because of trivial matters like this, they're fools.[/p][/quote]yes how foolish to see bigotry as reason to steer clear of the Catholic church.... so apart from trivial matters like that, I assume you mean matters like millions of deaths from aids directly attributed to the policies of the Catholic church when you talk about non-trivial matters !? or is that another "story". Its funny how fools find it so easy to spot fools.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah blah. Good to see you've declared war on straw. Keep up the good work.[/p][/quote]baaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaa[/p][/quote]You automatically lose 1000 internet points by using the term "sheople". Only complete ti[bold][/bold]ts use that these days.[/p][/quote]does not sound very christian of you George,,, using a misogynist term like that ! shame on you, one for the confessional box perheps... Anyway its easy to tie up supposed "christian" catholics in a knot with the question they can never answer without making themselves look stupid and contradicting their so called religion.... "is it ok to say 'Jesus' ! after you sneeze".... ?[/p][/quote]I'm not a Christian, so it's ok.[/p][/quote]stop spoiling the fun, pretend you are and answer the ****ing question !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Oh, ok. Sneezing is Gods way of dispelling concentrated Satan out of your body. It's perfectly ok to utter the name of Our Lord after this happens. Georgem
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12:23pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Stillness says...

MGRA wrote:
Stillness wrote:
MGRA wrote:
I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled.
What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.
Is there anything you don't rant about?
For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously).
I am as calm as a cucumber. Rants are in Caps....
I thought the saying was "as cool as a cucumber" but I've just been out to the polytunnel and have seen that you are right as all my cucumbers are very calm.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled. What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.[/p][/quote]Is there anything you don't rant about? For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously).[/p][/quote]I am as calm as a cucumber. Rants are in Caps....[/p][/quote]I thought the saying was "as cool as a cucumber" but I've just been out to the polytunnel and have seen that you are right as all my cucumbers are very calm. Stillness
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12:36pm Thu 27 Sep 12

freefinker says...

Georgem wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
freefinker wrote:
.. southy, I do hope you return to this story and read Paramjit at 5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above. You really do need to take his advise.
Funny how he's gone quiet.
I also like the fact he posted a link on here, but I'm sure he's told us all countless times that any link that anyone else puts on here is wrong or been hacked. Interesting how the hackers from all over the world have nothing better to do than change facts/ figures just to make Southy look foolish.
The really amusing part is, the link he's posted quite clearly proves him to be wrong on that matter.
.. well obviously.

Evil hackers altered it immediately after he posted the link.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. southy, I do hope you return to this story and read Paramjit at 5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12, above. You really do need to take his advise.[/p][/quote]Funny how he's gone quiet. I also like the fact he posted a link on here, but I'm sure he's told us all countless times that any link that anyone else puts on here is wrong or been hacked. Interesting how the hackers from all over the world have nothing better to do than change facts/ figures just to make Southy look foolish.[/p][/quote]The really amusing part is, the link he's posted quite clearly proves him to be wrong on that matter.[/p][/quote].. well obviously. Evil hackers altered it immediately after he posted the link. freefinker
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12:37pm Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

Stillness wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Stillness wrote:
MGRA wrote:
I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled.
What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.
Is there anything you don't rant about?
For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously).
I am as calm as a cucumber. Rants are in Caps....
I thought the saying was "as cool as a cucumber" but I've just been out to the polytunnel and have seen that you are right as all my cucumbers are very calm.
isn't it "as cool as a duck pond then" !?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled. What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.[/p][/quote]Is there anything you don't rant about? For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously).[/p][/quote]I am as calm as a cucumber. Rants are in Caps....[/p][/quote]I thought the saying was "as cool as a cucumber" but I've just been out to the polytunnel and have seen that you are right as all my cucumbers are very calm.[/p][/quote]isn't it "as cool as a duck pond then" !? MGRA
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1:14pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Taskforce 141 says...

God isnt real - deal with it people!
God isnt real - deal with it people! Taskforce 141
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1:27pm Thu 27 Sep 12

eurogordi says...

Goldenwight wrote:
eurogordi wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure!
You have personal concerns about those churches which allow practises which started in other religions. You must have serious problems with Christianity, then, rooted as it is in Judaeism. Not to mention the pagan spiritual elements which were later incorporated in Northern Europe. Or would this be a case of being selective in your interpretation of the Word of God. Much as the Spanish Inquisition and the Ku Klux Klan were rather picky about how THEY interpreted it. But that is OK, because they were Christians after all.
I do not deny that the early western church adopted practices from other cultures, but in all cases these were Christianised and the changes that were made did not conflict with Biblical teachings.

As far as Judaism being the foundation of Christianity, I totally agree with this but would add that Christianity COMPLETES Judaism, so again there is no conflict in my personal opinion.

Perhaps I should also add that I am writing this as someone who comes from a Judaeo-Christian; ie. I am a Christian by choice by Jewish by heritage.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure![/p][/quote]You have personal concerns about those churches which allow practises which started in other religions. You must have serious problems with Christianity, then, rooted as it is in Judaeism. Not to mention the pagan spiritual elements which were later incorporated in Northern Europe. Or would this be a case of being selective in your interpretation of the Word of God. Much as the Spanish Inquisition and the Ku Klux Klan were rather picky about how THEY interpreted it. But that is OK, because they were Christians after all.[/p][/quote]I do not deny that the early western church adopted practices from other cultures, but in all cases these were Christianised and the changes that were made did not conflict with Biblical teachings. As far as Judaism being the foundation of Christianity, I totally agree with this but would add that Christianity COMPLETES Judaism, so again there is no conflict in my personal opinion. Perhaps I should also add that I am writing this as someone who comes from a Judaeo-Christian; ie. I am a Christian by choice by Jewish by heritage. eurogordi
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1:30pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Stillness says...

MGRA wrote:
Stillness wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Stillness wrote:
MGRA wrote:
I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled.
What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.
Is there anything you don't rant about?
For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously).
I am as calm as a cucumber. Rants are in Caps....
I thought the saying was "as cool as a cucumber" but I've just been out to the polytunnel and have seen that you are right as all my cucumbers are very calm.
isn't it "as cool as a duck pond then" !?
Anyone know where my nearest duck pond is?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: I heard yesterday the fitness instructor recieved no detailed explanation when they cancelled her booking. Then incredibly on the radio the "father" said he was suprised that she went to the media rather than contact him to ask why it was cancelled. What an idiot. Thats not how it works in the real world... No doubt sheople like GeorgeM with his hear no, see no , speak no outlook will lap up every detail of why simple courtesy went out of the window.[/p][/quote]Is there anything you don't rant about? For God's sake calm down man, think of your blood pressure. (Not the Catholic God's sake obviously).[/p][/quote]I am as calm as a cucumber. Rants are in Caps....[/p][/quote]I thought the saying was "as cool as a cucumber" but I've just been out to the polytunnel and have seen that you are right as all my cucumbers are very calm.[/p][/quote]isn't it "as cool as a duck pond then" !?[/p][/quote]Anyone know where my nearest duck pond is? Stillness
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1:33pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Taskforce 141 wrote:
God isnt real - deal with it people!
Simple as that then ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: God isnt real - deal with it people![/p][/quote]Simple as that then ;-) Shoong
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1:39pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Why not lets just agree that any organization is bound to have it's share of self opinionated jobs worth's with an over inflated view of their own importance. You only have to look at the local socialist party for proof. If you don't believe me just ask southy.
In all seriousness Father Ted has over reacted to a harmless activity taking place within a collection of bricks that he thinks are somehow magical. It's not his fault, he didn't ask to be the way he is............Blame the parents! That's what I say ;-)
Why not lets just agree that any organization is bound to have it's share of self opinionated jobs worth's with an over inflated view of their own importance. You only have to look at the local socialist party for proof. If you don't believe me just ask southy. In all seriousness Father Ted has over reacted to a harmless activity taking place within a collection of bricks that he thinks are somehow magical. It's not his fault, he didn't ask to be the way he is............Blame the parents! That's what I say ;-) Stillness
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1:55pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Echo Awards says...

Taskforce 141 wrote:
God isnt real - deal with it people!
Congratulations, Taskforce 141, you have won this weeks coveted 'Least Relevant Comment' award.
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: God isnt real - deal with it people![/p][/quote]Congratulations, Taskforce 141, you have won this weeks coveted 'Least Relevant Comment' award. Echo Awards
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2:13pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

Stillness wrote:
Why not lets just agree that any organization is bound to have it's share of self opinionated jobs worth's with an over inflated view of their own importance. You only have to look at the local socialist party for proof. If you don't believe me just ask southy.
In all seriousness Father Ted has over reacted to a harmless activity taking place within a collection of bricks that he thinks are somehow magical. It's not his fault, he didn't ask to be the way he is............Blame the parents! That's what I say ;-)
Did I just detect a political sheep like bleat in this theological debate?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Why not lets just agree that any organization is bound to have it's share of self opinionated jobs worth's with an over inflated view of their own importance. You only have to look at the local socialist party for proof. If you don't believe me just ask southy. In all seriousness Father Ted has over reacted to a harmless activity taking place within a collection of bricks that he thinks are somehow magical. It's not his fault, he didn't ask to be the way he is............Blame the parents! That's what I say ;-)[/p][/quote]Did I just detect a political sheep like bleat in this theological debate? Inform Al
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2:19pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Inform Al wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Why not lets just agree that any organization is bound to have it's share of self opinionated jobs worth's with an over inflated view of their own importance. You only have to look at the local socialist party for proof. If you don't believe me just ask southy.
In all seriousness Father Ted has over reacted to a harmless activity taking place within a collection of bricks that he thinks are somehow magical. It's not his fault, he didn't ask to be the way he is............Blame the parents! That's what I say ;-)
Did I just detect a political sheep like bleat in this theological debate?
"Political sheep"? Ahhhhh, you have mistaken pew for ewe. Simple mistake.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Why not lets just agree that any organization is bound to have it's share of self opinionated jobs worth's with an over inflated view of their own importance. You only have to look at the local socialist party for proof. If you don't believe me just ask southy. In all seriousness Father Ted has over reacted to a harmless activity taking place within a collection of bricks that he thinks are somehow magical. It's not his fault, he didn't ask to be the way he is............Blame the parents! That's what I say ;-)[/p][/quote]Did I just detect a political sheep like bleat in this theological debate?[/p][/quote]"Political sheep"? Ahhhhh, you have mistaken pew for ewe. Simple mistake. Stillness
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2:30pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Tina Wilder says...

I used to do Yoga before I became a Christian and can assert due to my own experience that took me deep into the Chinese philosophy and oriental religions, that Yoga and Christianity have nothing in common.
I used to do Yoga before I became a Christian and can assert due to my own experience that took me deep into the Chinese philosophy and oriental religions, that Yoga and Christianity have nothing in common. Tina Wilder
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3:34pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Stillness says...

Tina Wilder wrote:
I used to do Yoga before I became a Christian and can assert due to my own experience that took me deep into the Chinese philosophy and oriental religions, that Yoga and Christianity have nothing in common.
Thank God for that.
[quote][p][bold]Tina Wilder[/bold] wrote: I used to do Yoga before I became a Christian and can assert due to my own experience that took me deep into the Chinese philosophy and oriental religions, that Yoga and Christianity have nothing in common.[/p][/quote]Thank God for that. Stillness
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7:14pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Matt Probert says...

Religious fanaticism and intollerance should be feared where ever they raise their ugly head. Thank god I am an atheist!
Religious fanaticism and intollerance should be feared where ever they raise their ugly head. Thank god I am an atheist! Matt Probert
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7:17pm Thu 27 Sep 12

menotyou says...

this particular priest is a bigoted idiot who has forced many of his congregation to other churches and is very unwelcoming of new people in his church, shame really prehaps he should become a jehovahs witness - i beleive they are the ones who are in a cult?
this particular priest is a bigoted idiot who has forced many of his congregation to other churches and is very unwelcoming of new people in his church, shame really prehaps he should become a jehovahs witness - i beleive they are the ones who are in a cult? menotyou
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7:28pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Stillness says...

menotyou wrote:
this particular priest is a bigoted idiot who has forced many of his congregation to other churches and is very unwelcoming of new people in his church, shame really prehaps he should become a jehovahs witness - i beleive they are the ones who are in a cult?
Oh sh1t, that should put the cat amongst the pigeons. I was about to stop following this story but on second thoughts I think I'll hang around for a bit.
Anyone fancy having a dig at Buddha whilst the story is still running?
[quote][p][bold]menotyou[/bold] wrote: this particular priest is a bigoted idiot who has forced many of his congregation to other churches and is very unwelcoming of new people in his church, shame really prehaps he should become a jehovahs witness - i beleive they are the ones who are in a cult?[/p][/quote]Oh sh1t, that should put the cat amongst the pigeons. I was about to stop following this story but on second thoughts I think I'll hang around for a bit. Anyone fancy having a dig at Buddha whilst the story is still running? Stillness
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8:04pm Thu 27 Sep 12

MGRA says...

eurogordi wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
eurogordi wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure!
You have personal concerns about those churches which allow practises which started in other religions. You must have serious problems with Christianity, then, rooted as it is in Judaeism. Not to mention the pagan spiritual elements which were later incorporated in Northern Europe. Or would this be a case of being selective in your interpretation of the Word of God. Much as the Spanish Inquisition and the Ku Klux Klan were rather picky about how THEY interpreted it. But that is OK, because they were Christians after all.
I do not deny that the early western church adopted practices from other cultures, but in all cases these were Christianised and the changes that were made did not conflict with Biblical teachings.

As far as Judaism being the foundation of Christianity, I totally agree with this but would add that Christianity COMPLETES Judaism, so again there is no conflict in my personal opinion.

Perhaps I should also add that I am writing this as someone who comes from a Judaeo-Christian; ie. I am a Christian by choice by Jewish by heritage.
then you will know that Constantine effectively "assembled" the new testament to appease the cults-of-the-day.... Christianity was "invented" by compilation. The new testament was compiled to effectively stop a war and Constantine was the first "christian" ruler of Rome for convenience...
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: I fully support the decision taken by this priest and have personal concerns about those churches that do allow practices which started in other religions. None of us are perfect, whatever religion, meditation or relaxation we choose to follow, but the fundamentals of yoga do conflict with the teachings of Christianity. Well done, Father Chandler, and I very much hope and pray that other Christian leaders and churches will follow your example. As another contributor has already written "It's about time that Christians were allowed to have a voice again!! Good on them for standing up for what the Bible teaches!" Incidentally, if this story was about a mosque refusing a church choir to to hire a room for rehearsals,, I am sure that no one would be criticising the decision of Islamic leaders for upholding their belief structure![/p][/quote]You have personal concerns about those churches which allow practises which started in other religions. You must have serious problems with Christianity, then, rooted as it is in Judaeism. Not to mention the pagan spiritual elements which were later incorporated in Northern Europe. Or would this be a case of being selective in your interpretation of the Word of God. Much as the Spanish Inquisition and the Ku Klux Klan were rather picky about how THEY interpreted it. But that is OK, because they were Christians after all.[/p][/quote]I do not deny that the early western church adopted practices from other cultures, but in all cases these were Christianised and the changes that were made did not conflict with Biblical teachings. As far as Judaism being the foundation of Christianity, I totally agree with this but would add that Christianity COMPLETES Judaism, so again there is no conflict in my personal opinion. Perhaps I should also add that I am writing this as someone who comes from a Judaeo-Christian; ie. I am a Christian by choice by Jewish by heritage.[/p][/quote]then you will know that Constantine effectively "assembled" the new testament to appease the cults-of-the-day.... Christianity was "invented" by compilation. The new testament was compiled to effectively stop a war and Constantine was the first "christian" ruler of Rome for convenience... MGRA
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8:01am Fri 28 Sep 12

chavfreezone says...

Religion, just a load of superstitious clap trap. Do people genuinely believe the world was made in a week by some bloke in the sky. How about the catholic church ban peodos from being priests before banning yoga,
Religion, just a load of superstitious clap trap. Do people genuinely believe the world was made in a week by some bloke in the sky. How about the catholic church ban peodos from being priests before banning yoga, chavfreezone
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9:20am Fri 28 Sep 12

Home Rule for England says...

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.
Your opening sentence is a bit OTT isn't it? How does banning yoga from a church equate to 'hate and bigotry'?
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: Another stupid example of how hate and bigotry never solved a problem. I am proud of my atheism. My moral compass does not allow me to hate or condemn a person I do not know for their beliefs. I do not judge them unless they impose or try to impose their belief system on me. Yoga does no harm. It is not a religion or a martial art. I do not condemn Catholicism but a very stupid man who is coincidentally a priest. I would worry about the example he is setting his congregation.[/p][/quote]Your opening sentence is a bit OTT isn't it? How does banning yoga from a church equate to 'hate and bigotry'? Home Rule for England
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11:10am Fri 28 Sep 12

ianexams says...

Well Done Fr Chandler on your stance concerning YOGA it is not before time something needed to be said on this matter,as it is out of control in many parihes across the county. Perhaps we can also stop refreshments being served in Churches and Chapels as well as this needs addressing as well. You have 100 % support on this mater
Well Done Fr Chandler on your stance concerning YOGA it is not before time something needed to be said on this matter,as it is out of control in many parihes across the county. Perhaps we can also stop refreshments being served in Churches and Chapels as well as this needs addressing as well. You have 100 % support on this mater ianexams
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11:27am Fri 28 Sep 12

miltonarcher says...

wilson castaway wrote:
Ahh go on, go on go on go on go on go on go on.........
DRINK!..............
GIRLS!..............
FECK!
[quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Ahh go on, go on go on go on go on go on go on.........[/p][/quote]DRINK!.............. GIRLS!.............. FECK! miltonarcher
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11:29am Fri 28 Sep 12

miltonarcher says...

God is Dog backwards....discuss
God is Dog backwards....discuss miltonarcher
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11:32am Fri 28 Sep 12

miltonarcher says...

Got a party organised this weekend, bit short on the booze and food front. Got loads of people coming so could do with some help. Most of the guests are into wine and seafood. Can anybody help?
Got a party organised this weekend, bit short on the booze and food front. Got loads of people coming so could do with some help. Most of the guests are into wine and seafood. Can anybody help? miltonarcher
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5:04pm Fri 28 Sep 12

thedavie says...

There are some wise people mentioned in previous comments
I wonder if St Edmund's Church decision makers have read Deepak Chopra or Catholic Thomas Merton
Also my Father in law was Hindu but it did not stop him letting Christians use his own house for their Sunday services
Both Catholic and Anglican made use of his offer
War is caused by greed and a lack of respect for our fellow man
There are some wise people mentioned in previous comments I wonder if St Edmund's Church decision makers have read Deepak Chopra or Catholic Thomas Merton Also my Father in law was Hindu but it did not stop him letting Christians use his own house for their Sunday services Both Catholic and Anglican made use of his offer War is caused by greed and a lack of respect for our fellow man thedavie
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