Culture chief in favour of selling works of art (From Daily Echo)

Not sure how you decide how one work of art is more relevant than another. Which ones have the highest value more like it. Sure they'll soon be saying Rodin's Eve, the Monet and the Renoir aren't really relevant any more.

The group has already been successful in raising £500,000 towards the cost of the SeaCity attraction which is still to be fully funded.
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Now is that £500k for the existing or the proposed "extension".
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If its for the existing SSM ....... Then its not been fully funded then !!

I was one of a group of Souithampton residents who were asked ages ago what we thought of the idea of the museum and it's location. The consensus was good idea, but not in the centre of town where parking would be a problem for visitors, and that it would be more appropriate near the docks themselves. As usual consultation was listen then ignore.

Why do these Councillors want to keep selling off items of art that do not belong to them? Therse items belong to the people of Southampton and not to the political party that happens to be in power. It is not our fault that Napoleon and Co. overspent on a Museum that was not needed. Stop trying to sell off the family silver

Mr Boyce talks a lot of sense and is very knowledgeable about his subject - culture. He clearly had a good understanding with the previous council - let's hope the current council will be equally understanding.
(Judging by their performance so far, I very much doubt it!!!)

Inform Al wrote:
I was one of a group of Souithampton residents who were asked ages ago what we thought of the idea of the museum and it's location. The consensus was good idea, but not in the centre of town where parking would be a problem for visitors, and that it would be more appropriate near the docks themselves. As usual consultation was listen then ignore.

The SeaCity Museum is Excellent! And it is a very good idea to expand it further.
It's position is in central Southampton along with other burgeoning "Cultural" activities and makes it the ideal place for both Tourists and Local Residents (who can walk, bus, bike, taxi, train, coach, helicopter, park and ride, run, hitch a lift or pogo stick their way to Central Southampton!).

I think Ian Murray should concentrate on running his local rag, circulation of which keep on falling like led brick, before sticking his trunk into affairs of Southampton Council.

But obviously he has yet again decided to jump on his hobby horse by finding somebody who also wants to lay his hands upon heritage of our City, which basically is in line with wicked views of Thatcher's Children, who like their political mother also want to keep on selling whatever is left of the family silver.

T&G site is mill stone that was hung around the neck of the Council by NuLabour's most arrogant John Arnold, on the basis of sums, which he did only in his pro super rich wicked imagination and did not bother to even use the back of a postage stamp. He can’t say some of us did not warn him at the time… or perhaps knowing him he may tell another fib, which these days seem to have become the standard behaviour of NuLabour.

In fairness to Tories, who did more than their share of damage to the good name of Southampton, at least they tidied the place and made it look good.

Rather than creating more culture, (Which basically is going to mean even more drinking dens like the rest of the now destroyed high street) I believe it could be more sensible to build a top class Art Gallery on this site, in which most of Southampton’s Art Collection, which is one of the best outside London, could be displayed.

Southampton can’t compete with Bournemouth and even Portsmouth in fields they are good, but on Arts with big enough Art Gallery Southampton could be competing with the very best in the country.

But sadly people in relevant places have their own little agendas, which has been going on for far too long so has kept on destroying our City. This must stop.

George4th wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
I was one of a group of Souithampton residents who were asked ages ago what we thought of the idea of the museum and it's location. The consensus was good idea, but not in the centre of town where parking would be a problem for visitors, and that it would be more appropriate near the docks themselves. As usual consultation was listen then ignore.

The SeaCity Museum is Excellent! And it is a very good idea to expand it further.
It's position is in central Southampton along with other burgeoning "Cultural" activities and makes it the ideal place for both Tourists and Local Residents (who can walk, bus, bike, taxi, train, coach, helicopter, park and ride, run, hitch a lift or pogo stick their way to Central Southampton!).

Its all ready proving to be an White Elephant, well below the numbers that is needed just to keep it level, at the moment its not taking enough money to even warrent the idea of any more expansion, this white elephant is going to end up being used for some thing totally different.

Sell the lot! use the money to improve the City, to keep council tax down, to keep services for the people. not to pay the greedy union puppet masters.
Art belongs to those that can afford it and for the City to keep something of that value is nothing short of criminal

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
I was one of a group of Souithampton residents who were asked ages ago what we thought of the idea of the museum and it's location. The consensus was good idea, but not in the centre of town where parking would be a problem for visitors, and that it would be more appropriate near the docks themselves. As usual consultation was listen then ignore.

The SeaCity Museum is Excellent! And it is a very good idea to expand it further.
It's position is in central Southampton along with other burgeoning "Cultural" activities and makes it the ideal place for both Tourists and Local Residents (who can walk, bus, bike, taxi, train, coach, helicopter, park and ride, run, hitch a lift or pogo stick their way to Central Southampton!).

Its all ready proving to be an White Elephant, well below the numbers that is needed just to keep it level, at the moment its not taking enough money to even warrent the idea of any more expansion, this white elephant is going to end up being used for some thing totally different.

Facts and figures and your sources please or we'll assume your making it up as part of your political agenda.

Cheers, look forward to your info.

geoff51 wrote:
Sell the lot! use the money to improve the City, to keep council tax down, to keep services for the people. not to pay the greedy union puppet masters.
Art belongs to those that can afford it and for the City to keep something of that value is nothing short of criminal

Do you live in Southampton now then ?
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The Art belongs to the people of the City not some cultural expert to do what he likes with.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

geoff51 wrote:
Sell the lot! use the money to improve the City, to keep council tax down, to keep services for the people. not to pay the greedy union puppet masters.
Art belongs to those that can afford it and for the City to keep something of that value is nothing short of criminal

Do you live in Southampton now then ?
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The Art belongs to the people of the City not some cultural expert to do what he likes with.

So you would rather have a pensioner or a person with special needs denied their support so you can keep acouple of paintings no one gets to see?

How many times have we got to say it to the city of Southampton councillors, keep your fingers OFF the people of Southampton property (ie) Art Treasures,
They NOT for sale.

HANDS OFF....

just show it.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
I was one of a group of Souithampton residents who were asked ages ago what we thought of the idea of the museum and it's location. The consensus was good idea, but not in the centre of town where parking would be a problem for visitors, and that it would be more appropriate near the docks themselves. As usual consultation was listen then ignore.

The SeaCity Museum is Excellent! And it is a very good idea to expand it further.
It's position is in central Southampton along with other burgeoning "Cultural" activities and makes it the ideal place for both Tourists and Local Residents (who can walk, bus, bike, taxi, train, coach, helicopter, park and ride, run, hitch a lift or pogo stick their way to Central Southampton!).

Its all ready proving to be an White Elephant, well below the numbers that is needed just to keep it level, at the moment its not taking enough money to even warrent the idea of any more expansion, this white elephant is going to end up being used for some thing totally different.

Facts and figures and your sources please or we'll assume your making it up as part of your political agenda.

Cheers, look forward to your info.

You been told before where to go and see the facts and figures.

geoff51 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

geoff51 wrote:
Sell the lot! use the money to improve the City, to keep council tax down, to keep services for the people. not to pay the greedy union puppet masters.
Art belongs to those that can afford it and for the City to keep something of that value is nothing short of criminal

Do you live in Southampton now then ?
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The Art belongs to the people of the City not some cultural expert to do what he likes with.

So you would rather have a pensioner or a person with special needs denied their support so you can keep acouple of paintings no one gets to see?

No thats the National Government thats doing that, by not allowing Southampton City spend the money that belongs to them.

If I had donated something to the people of Southampton for them to enjoy, as much of the artwork we are talking about here has been, then I and /or my family and descendants would be far from pleased that some jumped up politician or group of politicians had sold it.
In fact, neither Stephen Boyce nor SCC can because, disregarding the morality of selling it, most of it is covered by Covenants. Also City Councillors only form part of the Trustees entrusted with it. Note: Trustees.
As for geoff51 's ridiculous comment. Art does NOT belong only to those that can afford it, and this particular art belongs to the people of Southampton to whom it has been given.

geoff51 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

geoff51 wrote:
Sell the lot! use the money to improve the City, to keep council tax down, to keep services for the people. not to pay the greedy union puppet masters.
Art belongs to those that can afford it and for the City to keep something of that value is nothing short of criminal

Do you live in Southampton now then ?
.
The Art belongs to the people of the City not some cultural expert to do what he likes with.

So you would rather have a pensioner or a person with special needs denied their support so you can keep acouple of paintings no one gets to see?

But its not for people with "special needs" is it.
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Its to build an extension to a vanity project that hasnt been paid for, despite the "false information" spouted around .....
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The paintings DO NOT BELONG TO THE COUNCIL.
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They were given to the people of Southampton to keep.
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So carry on with your fundraising Mr Boyce ....... Try and pay the first part of the Sea Museum off BEFORE you build another bit

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
I was one of a group of Souithampton residents who were asked ages ago what we thought of the idea of the museum and it's location. The consensus was good idea, but not in the centre of town where parking would be a problem for visitors, and that it would be more appropriate near the docks themselves. As usual consultation was listen then ignore.

The SeaCity Museum is Excellent! And it is a very good idea to expand it further.
It's position is in central Southampton along with other burgeoning "Cultural" activities and makes it the ideal place for both Tourists and Local Residents (who can walk, bus, bike, taxi, train, coach, helicopter, park and ride, run, hitch a lift or pogo stick their way to Central Southampton!).

Its all ready proving to be an White Elephant, well below the numbers that is needed just to keep it level, at the moment its not taking enough money to even warrent the idea of any more expansion, this white elephant is going to end up being used for some thing totally different.

Facts and figures and your sources please or we'll assume your making it up as part of your political agenda.

Cheers, look forward to your info.

You been told before where to go and see the facts and figures.

Unfortunately this website doesn't archive other user's comments for me.

It might be true.

But in order to back your claims then you need to produce the evidence or show us where we can take a look at these figures.

Again, you haven't answered the question unless you feel you are somehow exempt. As a want to be Councillor, you had best be getting used to backing up what you say with facts and figures. Obviously, this is too much for you.

You have obviously seen the figures? Why can't you tell me? Can you not remember?

So I'm going to assume your statement about the Sea Museum not breaking even was made up. What else am I supposed to think? Just believe you? Sorry, people need to be convinced.

Same old, same old then.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
I was one of a group of Souithampton residents who were asked ages ago what we thought of the idea of the museum and it's location. The consensus was good idea, but not in the centre of town where parking would be a problem for visitors, and that it would be more appropriate near the docks themselves. As usual consultation was listen then ignore.

The SeaCity Museum is Excellent! And it is a very good idea to expand it further.
It's position is in central Southampton along with other burgeoning "Cultural" activities and makes it the ideal place for both Tourists and Local Residents (who can walk, bus, bike, taxi, train, coach, helicopter, park and ride, run, hitch a lift or pogo stick their way to Central Southampton!).

Its all ready proving to be an White Elephant, well below the numbers that is needed just to keep it level, at the moment its not taking enough money to even warrent the idea of any more expansion, this white elephant is going to end up being used for some thing totally different.

Facts and figures and your sources please or we'll assume your making it up as part of your political agenda.

Cheers, look forward to your info.

You been told before where to go and see the facts and figures.

Unfortunately this website doesn't archive other user's comments for me.

It might be true.

But in order to back your claims then you need to produce the evidence or show us where we can take a look at these figures.

Again, you haven't answered the question unless you feel you are somehow exempt. As a want to be Councillor, you had best be getting used to backing up what you say with facts and figures. Obviously, this is too much for you.

You have obviously seen the figures? Why can't you tell me? Can you not remember?

So I'm going to assume your statement about the Sea Museum not breaking even was made up. What else am I supposed to think? Just believe you? Sorry, people need to be convinced.

Same old, same old then.

I have twice visited the museum, once using my free ticket and the second time as part of a group on a complimentary visit. Although I found the displays interesting there was nothing there that I would have paid so much to see and the visitors shop is very overpriced. On both visits I would say the number of other visitors was disappointingly low and I cannot envisage my returning to the museum or recommending it to friends.

Can someone enlighten me please as to the role of Stephen Boyce? Where does he live and how much is he paid for offering his advice to the good citizens of Southampton? What is this Culture Southampton referred to in Andrew Murray's piece and to whom is it accountable? I very much hope that the partisan views being expressed by this gentlemen's league have not been subsidised in any way by the local taxpayers.

Inform Al wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
I was one of a group of Souithampton residents who were asked ages ago what we thought of the idea of the museum and it's location. The consensus was good idea, but not in the centre of town where parking would be a problem for visitors, and that it would be more appropriate near the docks themselves. As usual consultation was listen then ignore.

The SeaCity Museum is Excellent! And it is a very good idea to expand it further.
It's position is in central Southampton along with other burgeoning "Cultural" activities and makes it the ideal place for both Tourists and Local Residents (who can walk, bus, bike, taxi, train, coach, helicopter, park and ride, run, hitch a lift or pogo stick their way to Central Southampton!).

Its all ready proving to be an White Elephant, well below the numbers that is needed just to keep it level, at the moment its not taking enough money to even warrent the idea of any more expansion, this white elephant is going to end up being used for some thing totally different.

Facts and figures and your sources please or we'll assume your making it up as part of your political agenda.

Cheers, look forward to your info.

You been told before where to go and see the facts and figures.

Unfortunately this website doesn't archive other user's comments for me.

It might be true.

But in order to back your claims then you need to produce the evidence or show us where we can take a look at these figures.

Again, you haven't answered the question unless you feel you are somehow exempt. As a want to be Councillor, you had best be getting used to backing up what you say with facts and figures. Obviously, this is too much for you.

You have obviously seen the figures? Why can't you tell me? Can you not remember?

So I'm going to assume your statement about the Sea Museum not breaking even was made up. What else am I supposed to think? Just believe you? Sorry, people need to be convinced.

Same old, same old then.

I have twice visited the museum, once using my free ticket and the second time as part of a group on a complimentary visit. Although I found the displays interesting there was nothing there that I would have paid so much to see and the visitors shop is very overpriced. On both visits I would say the number of other visitors was disappointingly low and I cannot envisage my returning to the museum or recommending it to friends.

Talking to visitors from outside Southampton (who were not there on a Freebie!) their opinion was that it was good value for money!
Personally, I'm not bothered about the people of Southampton going to the SeaCity Museum (people's perspective is totally different when it is FREE! Besides, many Southampton moan anyway!!) - I'm more interested in it acting as a magnet/tourist attraction for people who visit or are thinking of visiting Southampton!
Tourists equals jobs, and we need them!

George4th wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
I was one of a group of Souithampton residents who were asked ages ago what we thought of the idea of the museum and it's location. The consensus was good idea, but not in the centre of town where parking would be a problem for visitors, and that it would be more appropriate near the docks themselves. As usual consultation was listen then ignore.

The SeaCity Museum is Excellent! And it is a very good idea to expand it further.
It's position is in central Southampton along with other burgeoning "Cultural" activities and makes it the ideal place for both Tourists and Local Residents (who can walk, bus, bike, taxi, train, coach, helicopter, park and ride, run, hitch a lift or pogo stick their way to Central Southampton!).

Its all ready proving to be an White Elephant, well below the numbers that is needed just to keep it level, at the moment its not taking enough money to even warrent the idea of any more expansion, this white elephant is going to end up being used for some thing totally different.

Facts and figures and your sources please or we'll assume your making it up as part of your political agenda.

Cheers, look forward to your info.

You been told before where to go and see the facts and figures.

Unfortunately this website doesn't archive other user's comments for me.

It might be true.

But in order to back your claims then you need to produce the evidence or show us where we can take a look at these figures.

Again, you haven't answered the question unless you feel you are somehow exempt. As a want to be Councillor, you had best be getting used to backing up what you say with facts and figures. Obviously, this is too much for you.

You have obviously seen the figures? Why can't you tell me? Can you not remember?

So I'm going to assume your statement about the Sea Museum not breaking even was made up. What else am I supposed to think? Just believe you? Sorry, people need to be convinced.

Same old, same old then.

I have twice visited the museum, once using my free ticket and the second time as part of a group on a complimentary visit. Although I found the displays interesting there was nothing there that I would have paid so much to see and the visitors shop is very overpriced. On both visits I would say the number of other visitors was disappointingly low and I cannot envisage my returning to the museum or recommending it to friends.

Talking to visitors from outside Southampton (who were not there on a Freebie!) their opinion was that it was good value for money!
Personally, I'm not bothered about the people of Southampton going to the SeaCity Museum (people's perspective is totally different when it is FREE! Besides, many Southampton moan anyway!!) - I'm more interested in it acting as a magnet/tourist attraction for people who visit or are thinking of visiting Southampton!
Tourists equals jobs, and we need them!

On my 1st visit I was accompanied by my son from Kent, his opinion matched mine. As you say different people will have different opinions, my sons was identical to mine, too much Titanic. Hopefully one day this will be rectified but it wqill take another freebie to entice me to try another look.