Work starts on £150m upgrade of container port

Work starts on £150m upgrade of container port. ) Rob Coupe, MD Volker Stevin, Peter Jones, CEO ABP Holdings, Chris Lewis, MD, DP World Southampton, Doug Morrison, Port Director, ABP Port of Southampton.

How the new deep-sea container berth will look with a vessel alongside

Work starts on £150m upgrade of container port

Aerial view of berths 201 and 202 at Southampton Container Port

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Politics and business reporter

WORK has today started on a £150m expansion of Southampton’s container port to safeguard 2,000 jobs and create a further 200.

After months of red tape – and a legal challenge by a rival port – the city’s container terminal is being expanded to handle the world’s largest ships.

The ceremonial lifting of the first paving slab signalled the beginning of the reconstruction of berths 201 and 202 in preparation for the arrival of the next generation of ultra-large container carriers (ULCCs).

Port director Doug Morrison said the £150m project to create a lost fourth deep-sea container berth was vital for the port’s long-term future.

He added the port would struggle to remain competitive if it couldn’t handle the new generation of mega container ships.

Port officials and city MPs gathered for the ceremonial lifting of the first paving slab signalling the beginning of the works.

Peter Jones, ABP's chief executive, said: “This is a major step forward in our plans to further develop Southampton.
“The £150m investment in the new berth and supporting infrastructure represents a huge vote of confidence in Southampton's ability to meet the exacting demands of our customers in a new era where ULCCs are set to become quayside regulars.''

The work will begin with a six month piling operation between next month and March, 2013.

The upgrade project, which was delayed by months of red tape and a legal challenge by Felixtowe, will create around 200 jobs as well as safeguarding 800 direct jobs and 1,200 indirect jobs.

It comes just weeks after two of the world’s largest ocean carriers – Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express and UASC’s Jebel Ali, berthed in tandem at the container terminal for the first time ushering in “a new era”. Each are capable of carrying more than 13,000 boxes.

Berths 201 and 202 in the western docks are being combined with a reconstructed 500m long quay wall and a deeper 16m berth pocket to restore the container terminal’s four-berth capacity.

An increase in size of container ships has meant the current deep-sea berths, 204 to 207, can no longer handle four of the largest vessels at the same time.

The new berth will be ready for operation in early 2014 with five giant cranes working along the quayside.

The project will cost around £90m with additional dredging of a deeper main channel between the Isle of Wight and the port, still awaiting permission, pushing the total value up to £150m.

Major works must be carried out between now and March to avoid disturbing migratory Atlantic salmon.

Berths 201 and 202 were the port’s original container berths and welcomed the first deep-sea container vessel, Kamakura Maru, 40 years ago. But they ceased to handle containers in the 1980s and are now used for roll-on roll-off vessels transporting cars.

The upgrade project is part of a plan to boost handling capacity from two million to 2.7 million 20ft equivalent container boxes by 2020.

  • Additional reporting by Keith Hamilton

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11:02am Thu 27 Sep 12

db_3 says...

This is great news for Southampton, but I really hope these extra boxes will be leaving the city on the upgraded rail lines.

The road network can't take many more container lorries. Both ends of Redbridge Road have been badly thought out and need improvements to smooth the traffic flow. The lane going right towards Shirley at the lights could also be extended by 100m through use of the central grass verge.
This is great news for Southampton, but I really hope these extra boxes will be leaving the city on the upgraded rail lines. The road network can't take many more container lorries. Both ends of Redbridge Road have been badly thought out and need improvements to smooth the traffic flow. The lane going right towards Shirley at the lights could also be extended by 100m through use of the central grass verge. db_3
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11:22am Thu 27 Sep 12

southy says...

Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton. southy
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11:29am Thu 27 Sep 12

southy says...

db_3 wrote:
This is great news for Southampton, but I really hope these extra boxes will be leaving the city on the upgraded rail lines.

The road network can't take many more container lorries. Both ends of Redbridge Road have been badly thought out and need improvements to smooth the traffic flow. The lane going right towards Shirley at the lights could also be extended by 100m through use of the central grass verge.
They need to rethink the whole road and rail set up it needs changing, like running a bridge from dock gate 20 over to Goatie beach and link up with marchwood by-pass, reroute the rail from old Nursling train station (now closed) to Totton, then at Totton route the lines to go east and west.
[quote][p][bold]db_3[/bold] wrote: This is great news for Southampton, but I really hope these extra boxes will be leaving the city on the upgraded rail lines. The road network can't take many more container lorries. Both ends of Redbridge Road have been badly thought out and need improvements to smooth the traffic flow. The lane going right towards Shirley at the lights could also be extended by 100m through use of the central grass verge.[/p][/quote]They need to rethink the whole road and rail set up it needs changing, like running a bridge from dock gate 20 over to Goatie beach and link up with marchwood by-pass, reroute the rail from old Nursling train station (now closed) to Totton, then at Totton route the lines to go east and west. southy
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11:43am Thu 27 Sep 12

Andy Locks Heath says...

Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there)
Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there) Andy Locks Heath
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12:07pm Thu 27 Sep 12

southy says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there)
No Andy, they have that new multi story car park and another one in the planning,
The EA have told the Docks that is it, with the dredging its giving to much erosion problems up river above the Road bridge, the two old bridges have got to be repaired again, where the pressure of the water on an out going tide on the bridges is cracking the walls, the 10 foot hole infront of the road bridge as doubled in depth and the supportting bridge bank as collapse being wash into the river, to repair these will be at a cost to the Tax payers of Southampton and Test valley Councils, the river bank up by the Echo is washing away the rail embankment.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there)[/p][/quote]No Andy, they have that new multi story car park and another one in the planning, The EA have told the Docks that is it, with the dredging its giving to much erosion problems up river above the Road bridge, the two old bridges have got to be repaired again, where the pressure of the water on an out going tide on the bridges is cracking the walls, the 10 foot hole infront of the road bridge as doubled in depth and the supportting bridge bank as collapse being wash into the river, to repair these will be at a cost to the Tax payers of Southampton and Test valley Councils, the river bank up by the Echo is washing away the rail embankment. southy
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12:56pm Thu 27 Sep 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
I know you get many things 'clouded' but seems maths is not your strong point either. I make that a difference of 31 metres. Not meters.
And I was under the impression that imperial was still the legal unit of measurement in this country, though I notice metric is being introduced via the back door.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.[/p][/quote]I know you get many things 'clouded' but seems maths is not your strong point either. I make that a difference of 31 metres. Not meters. And I was under the impression that imperial was still the legal unit of measurement in this country, though I notice metric is being introduced via the back door. hulla baloo
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1:06pm Thu 27 Sep 12

geordie says...

southy wrote:
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu.

When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.[/p][/quote]Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu. When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size? geordie
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1:26pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Shoong says...

geordie wrote:
southy wrote:
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu.

When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?
And there's me thinking Dec 3rd would just be a run of the mill day. Looking forward to this one.
[quote][p][bold]geordie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.[/p][/quote]Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu. When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?[/p][/quote]And there's me thinking Dec 3rd would just be a run of the mill day. Looking forward to this one. Shoong
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1:28pm Thu 27 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Hyundai Speed in at the moment 366 x 48 so quite a big one.
Hyundai Speed in at the moment 366 x 48 so quite a big one. OSPREYSAINT
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1:46pm Thu 27 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

I have trying to find the reason for Maersk moving to Felixstowe and I can find no mention of the size of the ships being relevant. Basically the Company was losing money hand over fist through having too many different locations, so they decided that as they had a lot of their operations already at Felixstowe it made sense to centralise there. It hasn't been without problems though, the charges have been raised and weather has affected them on many occasions. It may not be in the near future that they could return, but if the circumstance were right, there is no reason why they couldn't come back.
I have trying to find the reason for Maersk moving to Felixstowe and I can find no mention of the size of the ships being relevant. Basically the Company was losing money hand over fist through having too many different locations, so they decided that as they had a lot of their operations already at Felixstowe it made sense to centralise there. It hasn't been without problems though, the charges have been raised and weather has affected them on many occasions. It may not be in the near future that they could return, but if the circumstance were right, there is no reason why they couldn't come back. OSPREYSAINT
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1:57pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Always something to say says...

southy wrote:
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
That's 31 meters difference and what you know can be written on the back of a stamp.Emma Maersk(397m long,56m beam and 15.5m draught)has called at Southampton in the past.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.[/p][/quote]That's 31 meters difference and what you know can be written on the back of a stamp.Emma Maersk(397m long,56m beam and 15.5m draught)has called at Southampton in the past. Always something to say
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1:57pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Always something to say says...

southy wrote:
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
That's 31 meters difference and what you know can be written on the back of a stamp.Emma Maersk(397m long,56m beam and 15.5m draught)has called at Southampton in the past.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.[/p][/quote]That's 31 meters difference and what you know can be written on the back of a stamp.Emma Maersk(397m long,56m beam and 15.5m draught)has called at Southampton in the past. Always something to say
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2:05pm Thu 27 Sep 12

geordie says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I have trying to find the reason for Maersk moving to Felixstowe and I can find no mention of the size of the ships being relevant. Basically the Company was losing money hand over fist through having too many different locations, so they decided that as they had a lot of their operations already at Felixstowe it made sense to centralise there. It hasn't been without problems though, the charges have been raised and weather has affected them on many occasions. It may not be in the near future that they could return, but if the circumstance were right, there is no reason why they couldn't come back.
I believe a major factor was that Felixstowe could offer gauranteed berthing slots but Southampton couldn't. I might be wrong on this though.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I have trying to find the reason for Maersk moving to Felixstowe and I can find no mention of the size of the ships being relevant. Basically the Company was losing money hand over fist through having too many different locations, so they decided that as they had a lot of their operations already at Felixstowe it made sense to centralise there. It hasn't been without problems though, the charges have been raised and weather has affected them on many occasions. It may not be in the near future that they could return, but if the circumstance were right, there is no reason why they couldn't come back.[/p][/quote]I believe a major factor was that Felixstowe could offer gauranteed berthing slots but Southampton couldn't. I might be wrong on this though. geordie
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2:06pm Thu 27 Sep 12

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there)
No Andy, they have that new multi story car park and another one in the planning,
The EA have told the Docks that is it, with the dredging its giving to much erosion problems up river above the Road bridge, the two old bridges have got to be repaired again, where the pressure of the water on an out going tide on the bridges is cracking the walls, the 10 foot hole infront of the road bridge as doubled in depth and the supportting bridge bank as collapse being wash into the river, to repair these will be at a cost to the Tax payers of Southampton and Test valley Councils, the river bank up by the Echo is washing away the rail embankment.
Not quite right Southy
If you check ABP info there are now 4 multi decks in the port.
It is very unlikely that the EA has told the Docks 'that is it'
As I understand it maintaining channel depth in Southampton Water only requires a small amount of dredging compared to other major estuaries.
You are obviously unaware that, as part of the current container berth upgrade, a significant amount of capital dredging needs to be undertaken.
So the current situation re dredging is not 'it'
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there)[/p][/quote]No Andy, they have that new multi story car park and another one in the planning, The EA have told the Docks that is it, with the dredging its giving to much erosion problems up river above the Road bridge, the two old bridges have got to be repaired again, where the pressure of the water on an out going tide on the bridges is cracking the walls, the 10 foot hole infront of the road bridge as doubled in depth and the supportting bridge bank as collapse being wash into the river, to repair these will be at a cost to the Tax payers of Southampton and Test valley Councils, the river bank up by the Echo is washing away the rail embankment.[/p][/quote]Not quite right Southy If you check ABP info there are now 4 multi decks in the port. It is very unlikely that the EA has told the Docks 'that is it' As I understand it maintaining channel depth in Southampton Water only requires a small amount of dredging compared to other major estuaries. You are obviously unaware that, as part of the current container berth upgrade, a significant amount of capital dredging needs to be undertaken. So the current situation re dredging is not 'it' phil maccavity
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2:12pm Thu 27 Sep 12

phil maccavity says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there)
Andy
Dont think there have been any cars stored behind 201/2 berths for about 5 years.
All the export cars previously there appear to have been redistributed around the port especially since the new multi deck car parks were built in the Eastern Docks.
The big car storage yard at Redbridge has been there for years but apparently there are covenants which prevent any use of the river frontage beyond 208 berth to be used for vessel activity
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there)[/p][/quote]Andy Dont think there have been any cars stored behind 201/2 berths for about 5 years. All the export cars previously there appear to have been redistributed around the port especially since the new multi deck car parks were built in the Eastern Docks. The big car storage yard at Redbridge has been there for years but apparently there are covenants which prevent any use of the river frontage beyond 208 berth to be used for vessel activity phil maccavity
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2:27pm Thu 27 Sep 12

southy says...

phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there)
No Andy, they have that new multi story car park and another one in the planning,
The EA have told the Docks that is it, with the dredging its giving to much erosion problems up river above the Road bridge, the two old bridges have got to be repaired again, where the pressure of the water on an out going tide on the bridges is cracking the walls, the 10 foot hole infront of the road bridge as doubled in depth and the supportting bridge bank as collapse being wash into the river, to repair these will be at a cost to the Tax payers of Southampton and Test valley Councils, the river bank up by the Echo is washing away the rail embankment.
Not quite right Southy
If you check ABP info there are now 4 multi decks in the port.
It is very unlikely that the EA has told the Docks 'that is it'
As I understand it maintaining channel depth in Southampton Water only requires a small amount of dredging compared to other major estuaries.
You are obviously unaware that, as part of the current container berth upgrade, a significant amount of capital dredging needs to be undertaken.
So the current situation re dredging is not 'it'
They can not dredge pass 208 berth
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: Where will all the cars parked on the land behind berths 201 and 202 go? Are there any plans to move the entire RORO operation up beyond the container berths and extend the dredged channel and quayside closer to Redbridge to where the old railway point works used to be (I can see there is already a lot of import/export car storage there)[/p][/quote]No Andy, they have that new multi story car park and another one in the planning, The EA have told the Docks that is it, with the dredging its giving to much erosion problems up river above the Road bridge, the two old bridges have got to be repaired again, where the pressure of the water on an out going tide on the bridges is cracking the walls, the 10 foot hole infront of the road bridge as doubled in depth and the supportting bridge bank as collapse being wash into the river, to repair these will be at a cost to the Tax payers of Southampton and Test valley Councils, the river bank up by the Echo is washing away the rail embankment.[/p][/quote]Not quite right Southy If you check ABP info there are now 4 multi decks in the port. It is very unlikely that the EA has told the Docks 'that is it' As I understand it maintaining channel depth in Southampton Water only requires a small amount of dredging compared to other major estuaries. You are obviously unaware that, as part of the current container berth upgrade, a significant amount of capital dredging needs to be undertaken. So the current situation re dredging is not 'it'[/p][/quote]They can not dredge pass 208 berth southy
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2:51pm Thu 27 Sep 12

southy says...

geordie wrote:
southy wrote:
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu.

When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?
It will only come here if the weather is ok to do so,its also coming in on a Spring hide tide and going out on a spring hide tide it will have a tendence of 8 tugs, and it will be 2 metres shorter than the 8 largest containers ships present in the world today.
Felixstowe is a back up calling port if the weather go's against them. its going to near on take perfect conditions and being in Dec thats going to be a hit or miss, wait and see if they try or not, if the autumn storms have not pass though by then you can count it out, if a high pressure is in then that will also need to watch carfully to high of high pressure and you can lose up to 8 points on the spring high tide level, wind direction can do the same thing lower the level or higher a tide level
[quote][p][bold]geordie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.[/p][/quote]Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu. When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?[/p][/quote]It will only come here if the weather is ok to do so,its also coming in on a Spring hide tide and going out on a spring hide tide it will have a tendence of 8 tugs, and it will be 2 metres shorter than the 8 largest containers ships present in the world today. Felixstowe is a back up calling port if the weather go's against them. its going to near on take perfect conditions and being in Dec thats going to be a hit or miss, wait and see if they try or not, if the autumn storms have not pass though by then you can count it out, if a high pressure is in then that will also need to watch carfully to high of high pressure and you can lose up to 8 points on the spring high tide level, wind direction can do the same thing lower the level or higher a tide level southy
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2:53pm Thu 27 Sep 12

phil maccavity says...

Actually the limit of the dredged channel ends at 207 berth so we were both wrong
There is no 208 berth
Actually the limit of the dredged channel ends at 207 berth so we were both wrong There is no 208 berth phil maccavity
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2:59pm Thu 27 Sep 12

southy says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Actually the limit of the dredged channel ends at 207 berth so we were both wrong
There is no 208 berth
i knew that the EA had said no higher to the docks because of the damage being done up river.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Actually the limit of the dredged channel ends at 207 berth so we were both wrong There is no 208 berth[/p][/quote]i knew that the EA had said no higher to the docks because of the damage being done up river. southy
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4:18pm Thu 27 Sep 12

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
geordie wrote:
southy wrote:
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu.

When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?
It will only come here if the weather is ok to do so,its also coming in on a Spring hide tide and going out on a spring hide tide it will have a tendence of 8 tugs, and it will be 2 metres shorter than the 8 largest containers ships present in the world today.
Felixstowe is a back up calling port if the weather go's against them. its going to near on take perfect conditions and being in Dec thats going to be a hit or miss, wait and see if they try or not, if the autumn storms have not pass though by then you can count it out, if a high pressure is in then that will also need to watch carfully to high of high pressure and you can lose up to 8 points on the spring high tide level, wind direction can do the same thing lower the level or higher a tide level
Southy
Usual drivel
I bet Switzer would be delighted to be asked to provide 8 tugs to attend a ship
4 is normally a maximum these days although for vessels over 210m the guidelines are 3 in 2 out.
Its easy to check such information rather than rely on incorrect info
btw Switzer only have 6 tugs in the port according to their website
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geordie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.[/p][/quote]Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu. When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?[/p][/quote]It will only come here if the weather is ok to do so,its also coming in on a Spring hide tide and going out on a spring hide tide it will have a tendence of 8 tugs, and it will be 2 metres shorter than the 8 largest containers ships present in the world today. Felixstowe is a back up calling port if the weather go's against them. its going to near on take perfect conditions and being in Dec thats going to be a hit or miss, wait and see if they try or not, if the autumn storms have not pass though by then you can count it out, if a high pressure is in then that will also need to watch carfully to high of high pressure and you can lose up to 8 points on the spring high tide level, wind direction can do the same thing lower the level or higher a tide level[/p][/quote]Southy Usual drivel I bet Switzer would be delighted to be asked to provide 8 tugs to attend a ship 4 is normally a maximum these days although for vessels over 210m the guidelines are 3 in 2 out. Its easy to check such information rather than rely on incorrect info btw Switzer only have 6 tugs in the port according to their website phil maccavity
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7:09pm Thu 27 Sep 12

mack chinnon says...

phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
geordie wrote:
southy wrote:
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu.

When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?
It will only come here if the weather is ok to do so,its also coming in on a Spring hide tide and going out on a spring hide tide it will have a tendence of 8 tugs, and it will be 2 metres shorter than the 8 largest containers ships present in the world today.
Felixstowe is a back up calling port if the weather go's against them. its going to near on take perfect conditions and being in Dec thats going to be a hit or miss, wait and see if they try or not, if the autumn storms have not pass though by then you can count it out, if a high pressure is in then that will also need to watch carfully to high of high pressure and you can lose up to 8 points on the spring high tide level, wind direction can do the same thing lower the level or higher a tide level
Southy
Usual drivel
I bet Switzer would be delighted to be asked to provide 8 tugs to attend a ship
4 is normally a maximum these days although for vessels over 210m the guidelines are 3 in 2 out.
Its easy to check such information rather than rely on incorrect info
btw Switzer only have 6 tugs in the port according to their website
Switzer is a Maersk company.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geordie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.[/p][/quote]Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu. When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?[/p][/quote]It will only come here if the weather is ok to do so,its also coming in on a Spring hide tide and going out on a spring hide tide it will have a tendence of 8 tugs, and it will be 2 metres shorter than the 8 largest containers ships present in the world today. Felixstowe is a back up calling port if the weather go's against them. its going to near on take perfect conditions and being in Dec thats going to be a hit or miss, wait and see if they try or not, if the autumn storms have not pass though by then you can count it out, if a high pressure is in then that will also need to watch carfully to high of high pressure and you can lose up to 8 points on the spring high tide level, wind direction can do the same thing lower the level or higher a tide level[/p][/quote]Southy Usual drivel I bet Switzer would be delighted to be asked to provide 8 tugs to attend a ship 4 is normally a maximum these days although for vessels over 210m the guidelines are 3 in 2 out. Its easy to check such information rather than rely on incorrect info btw Switzer only have 6 tugs in the port according to their website[/p][/quote]Switzer is a Maersk company. mack chinnon
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7:51pm Thu 27 Sep 12

docker1966 says...

200 JOBS DONT MAKE ME LAUGH, 10 of our guys that work loading the lorries have just been made redundant, yeah 200 jobs for a couple of years for out of town construction workers, no real jobs, i asked DP World if the expansion would create jobs and i was told no, so why are we told 200 jobs to be created, news agencies should research what they are told and not just print what they hear
200 JOBS DONT MAKE ME LAUGH, 10 of our guys that work loading the lorries have just been made redundant, yeah 200 jobs for a couple of years for out of town construction workers, no real jobs, i asked DP World if the expansion would create jobs and i was told no, so why are we told 200 jobs to be created, news agencies should research what they are told and not just print what they hear docker1966
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11:39pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Andy Locks Heath says...

docker1966 wrote:
200 JOBS DONT MAKE ME LAUGH, 10 of our guys that work loading the lorries have just been made redundant, yeah 200 jobs for a couple of years for out of town construction workers, no real jobs, i asked DP World if the expansion would create jobs and i was told no, so why are we told 200 jobs to be created, news agencies should research what they are told and not just print what they hear
Probably not 200 dockers jobs but 200 jobs in total across all industries - from freight trains to sparkies to catering to lorry drivers etc etc etc, Not all job creations are direct front line jobs.
[quote][p][bold]docker1966[/bold] wrote: 200 JOBS DONT MAKE ME LAUGH, 10 of our guys that work loading the lorries have just been made redundant, yeah 200 jobs for a couple of years for out of town construction workers, no real jobs, i asked DP World if the expansion would create jobs and i was told no, so why are we told 200 jobs to be created, news agencies should research what they are told and not just print what they hear[/p][/quote]Probably not 200 dockers jobs but 200 jobs in total across all industries - from freight trains to sparkies to catering to lorry drivers etc etc etc, Not all job creations are direct front line jobs. Andy Locks Heath
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8:20am Fri 28 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

southy wrote:
geordie wrote:
southy wrote:
Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller.

Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port).
And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.
Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu.

When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?
It will only come here if the weather is ok to do so,its also coming in on a Spring hide tide and going out on a spring hide tide it will have a tendence of 8 tugs, and it will be 2 metres shorter than the 8 largest containers ships present in the world today.
Felixstowe is a back up calling port if the weather go's against them. its going to near on take perfect conditions and being in Dec thats going to be a hit or miss, wait and see if they try or not, if the autumn storms have not pass though by then you can count it out, if a high pressure is in then that will also need to watch carfully to high of high pressure and you can lose up to 8 points on the spring high tide level, wind direction can do the same thing lower the level or higher a tide level
Don't worry there isn't going to be a hurricane.....
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geordie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Hapag-Lloyd’s Hamburg Express, 366 meters long, 48 meters wide, 15.5 meters draft with a 54 meters freeboard. the UASC’s Jebel Ali is a little bit smaller. Mærsk have 8 ships that are 397 meters long, thats 29 meters longer than the Hamburg Express (those 8 ships don't call into southampton they are to long for this port). And the new Mærsk Triple E class are going to be even longer (400 meters), first one should be next year and they to will not be calling into Southampton.[/p][/quote]Hi Southy, its going to be interesting to see what happens when the CMA CGM Marco Polo visits Southampton on the 3rd December - its 395m long and has a capacity of 16000teu. When this ship berths at DP World Southampton will you finally admit that you are talking complete rubbish about Southampton not being able to take ships of this size?[/p][/quote]It will only come here if the weather is ok to do so,its also coming in on a Spring hide tide and going out on a spring hide tide it will have a tendence of 8 tugs, and it will be 2 metres shorter than the 8 largest containers ships present in the world today. Felixstowe is a back up calling port if the weather go's against them. its going to near on take perfect conditions and being in Dec thats going to be a hit or miss, wait and see if they try or not, if the autumn storms have not pass though by then you can count it out, if a high pressure is in then that will also need to watch carfully to high of high pressure and you can lose up to 8 points on the spring high tide level, wind direction can do the same thing lower the level or higher a tide level[/p][/quote]Don't worry there isn't going to be a hurricane..... OSPREYSAINT
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7:36pm Fri 28 Sep 12

docker1966 says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
docker1966 wrote:
200 JOBS DONT MAKE ME LAUGH, 10 of our guys that work loading the lorries have just been made redundant, yeah 200 jobs for a couple of years for out of town construction workers, no real jobs, i asked DP World if the expansion would create jobs and i was told no, so why are we told 200 jobs to be created, news agencies should research what they are told and not just print what they hear
Probably not 200 dockers jobs but 200 jobs in total across all industries - from freight trains to sparkies to catering to lorry drivers etc etc etc, Not all job creations are direct front line jobs.
you dont understand, i work there and know more than you, we are not getting any more work, the bigger ships are only replacing the smaller ships, no more work, no more workers just 200 temp jobs for the construction of the quay, our economy is still at a low and imports will still be low until the economy upturns, so no more extra jobs for freight trains to sparkies to catering to lorry drivers etc etc etc
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]docker1966[/bold] wrote: 200 JOBS DONT MAKE ME LAUGH, 10 of our guys that work loading the lorries have just been made redundant, yeah 200 jobs for a couple of years for out of town construction workers, no real jobs, i asked DP World if the expansion would create jobs and i was told no, so why are we told 200 jobs to be created, news agencies should research what they are told and not just print what they hear[/p][/quote]Probably not 200 dockers jobs but 200 jobs in total across all industries - from freight trains to sparkies to catering to lorry drivers etc etc etc, Not all job creations are direct front line jobs.[/p][/quote]you dont understand, i work there and know more than you, we are not getting any more work, the bigger ships are only replacing the smaller ships, no more work, no more workers just 200 temp jobs for the construction of the quay, our economy is still at a low and imports will still be low until the economy upturns, so no more extra jobs for freight trains to sparkies to catering to lorry drivers etc etc etc docker1966
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8:34am Sat 29 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Would the dredged material be any use to reinforce the banks at the mouth of the Test to offset the damage that is being caused? How many new ships would we have had if Dibden Bay had gone ahead? As for the prevous post, if the economy does make an unexpected upturn it is better to be ready to cope, and even temporary jobs are worth propagating.Would your job be in jeopardy if this work was not carried out? Just a thought.
Would the dredged material be any use to reinforce the banks at the mouth of the Test to offset the damage that is being caused? How many new ships would we have had if Dibden Bay had gone ahead? As for the prevous post, if the economy does make an unexpected upturn it is better to be ready to cope, and even temporary jobs are worth propagating.Would your job be in jeopardy if this work was not carried out? Just a thought. OSPREYSAINT
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11:28am Sat 29 Sep 12

phil maccavity says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Would the dredged material be any use to reinforce the banks at the mouth of the Test to offset the damage that is being caused? How many new ships would we have had if Dibden Bay had gone ahead? As for the prevous post, if the economy does make an unexpected upturn it is better to be ready to cope, and even temporary jobs are worth propagating.Would your job be in jeopardy if this work was not carried out? Just a thought.
Osprey
I think this is a fair point.
Global container trade has reduced significantly since 2008 after years of strong growth.
However forecasts show there will be an up turn from 2015 and beyond and that is why Soton port (and other ports in the UK) are investing for the future.
The likelihood is that without this investment opportunities will be lost in the future and existing business my also go.
However our thoughts must go out to those who are suffering here in the meantime
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Would the dredged material be any use to reinforce the banks at the mouth of the Test to offset the damage that is being caused? How many new ships would we have had if Dibden Bay had gone ahead? As for the prevous post, if the economy does make an unexpected upturn it is better to be ready to cope, and even temporary jobs are worth propagating.Would your job be in jeopardy if this work was not carried out? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Osprey I think this is a fair point. Global container trade has reduced significantly since 2008 after years of strong growth. However forecasts show there will be an up turn from 2015 and beyond and that is why Soton port (and other ports in the UK) are investing for the future. The likelihood is that without this investment opportunities will be lost in the future and existing business my also go. However our thoughts must go out to those who are suffering here in the meantime phil maccavity
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