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Couple used forged rent book in rip-off
4:00am Tuesday 2nd October 2012 in News
Peter Gregory
A Southampton couple have been jailed after using a forged rent book to help them rip off benefit agencies out of thousands of pounds, the city crown court heard.
The book showed that Peter Gregory was Heather Chainey’s landlord – in reality they were living together, prosecutor Jodie Mittell said.
Chainey said that her claims as a single parent were initially legitimate but later they moved in together, which she failed to disclose and as a consequence received an overpayment of more than £64,000.
They were rumbled after a tip-off to the city council, who mounted a surveillance operation, and Gregory was seen regularly leaving the house in a Transit pick-up.
Chainey, 38, of Palm Road, Southampton, admitted five charges of furnishing false information, two of failing to notify a change of circumstances and one of adapting a rent book in connection with fraud and was jailed for 36 weeks.
Judge Susan Evans QC told her: “You had plenty of opportunities to put things right but you continued to maintain you were living as a single parent. “I have no doubt you were influenced by Gregory in your offending but you signed the forms and now you must answer for it.”
Gregory, 57, also of Palm Road, admitted the joint rent book charge and was jailed for 23 weeks.
Ms Mittell said that Gregory was repaying council tax benefit at the rate of up to £300 a month from his earnings but there had been no repayments over the fraudulent claims for jobseekers allowance and income support.
Gregory, who was unrepresented, told the court: “What I did was very stupid. I feel ashamed.
“I assure you I want to lead a decent life from now on.”
For Chainey, Anthony Heaton-Armstrong said she accepted that she had been thoroughly dishonest, but she was ashamed.
The couple lived together but Gregory’s work would take him away, which depleted their resources and caused Chainey severe financial difficulties.
None of the cash, he added, went on high living, their only holiday being a budget one.
He said: “Both want to pay the money back. He accepts moral responsibility, she criminal responsibility.”
Comments(47)
Family Man
says...
6:22am Tue 2 Oct 12
The whole system seems to need reform to prevent the taxes paid by the hard working taxpayer being abused.
Lockssmart
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7:16am Tue 2 Oct 12
Family Man wrote:Totally agree
The fact that that they can rip off a benefit to the tune of £64,000 is surely an indictment of the system as much as anything else, both in respect of the apparent lack of controls and the amounts of money sloshing around that can be claimed. The press regularly reports huge sums being defrauded and often over a period of years, and I strongly suspect they are simply the tip of the iceberg with even more going unreported.
The whole system seems to need reform to prevent the taxes paid by the hard working taxpayer being abused.
chunky_lover
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7:41am Tue 2 Oct 12
Georgem
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8:18am Tue 2 Oct 12
Solomon's Boot
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8:24am Tue 2 Oct 12
Rockhopper
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8:46am Tue 2 Oct 12
Recently she wanted to contact the officer who visited her last year but was told this department had now been abolished by Capita.
Without a pro-active compliance system in place it is not surprising the benefit system continues to be abused.
Maine Lobster
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8:52am Tue 2 Oct 12
arthur dalyrimple
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8:55am Tue 2 Oct 12
MGRA
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8:59am Tue 2 Oct 12
Huey
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9:14am Tue 2 Oct 12
Will they be banned from ever getting another penny in benefits?
They should be. Anyone who abuses the system shouldn't get any more money from it.
The state is too soft on these leeches.
Nicole23
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9:20am Tue 2 Oct 12
A few weeks in jail for 64k, not a bad living is it.
arthur dalyrimple
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9:49am Tue 2 Oct 12
southy
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11:04am Tue 2 Oct 12
Lockssmart wrote:Its failing because of the cuts in staff numbers.
Family Man wrote:Totally agree
The fact that that they can rip off a benefit to the tune of £64,000 is surely an indictment of the system as much as anything else, both in respect of the apparent lack of controls and the amounts of money sloshing around that can be claimed. The press regularly reports huge sums being defrauded and often over a period of years, and I strongly suspect they are simply the tip of the iceberg with even more going unreported.
The whole system seems to need reform to prevent the taxes paid by the hard working taxpayer being abused.
southy
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11:09am Tue 2 Oct 12
Maine Lobster wrote:You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two.
Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.
If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence.
Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
freefinker
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11:11am Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:.. do you mean it's "failing" now, but it wasn't before "the cuts in staff numbers"?
Lockssmart wrote:Its failing because of the cuts in staff numbers.
Family Man wrote:Totally agree
The fact that that they can rip off a benefit to the tune of £64,000 is surely an indictment of the system as much as anything else, both in respect of the apparent lack of controls and the amounts of money sloshing around that can be claimed. The press regularly reports huge sums being defrauded and often over a period of years, and I strongly suspect they are simply the tip of the iceberg with even more going unreported.
The whole system seems to need reform to prevent the taxes paid by the hard working taxpayer being abused.
Seems this fraud has been going on for years - how come it has come to light only now - after the staff cuts.
Georgem
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11:13am Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:Give it a rest. You don't have to turn every single story into "let's go after the tax avoiders".
Maine Lobster wrote:You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two.
Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.
If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence.
Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
Shoong
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11:14am Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:Don't make excuses for them by trying to score political points.
Lockssmart wrote:Its failing because of the cuts in staff numbers.
Family Man wrote:Totally agree
The fact that that they can rip off a benefit to the tune of £64,000 is surely an indictment of the system as much as anything else, both in respect of the apparent lack of controls and the amounts of money sloshing around that can be claimed. The press regularly reports huge sums being defrauded and often over a period of years, and I strongly suspect they are simply the tip of the iceberg with even more going unreported.
The whole system seems to need reform to prevent the taxes paid by the hard working taxpayer being abused.
It all adds up. So your not willing to shop anyone who is ripping the state off £64,000 because it's small change according to you?
These people aren't in the same category as tax avoiders and or evaders whom you claim to despise so much then? Your values change then when it suits your agenda as usual.
I dunno, reading hypocritical comments such as these make my blood want to dehydrate....
southy
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11:18am Tue 2 Oct 12
Huey wrote:Not just these leeches just think about those who avoid paying the full amount of tax, 20% and less and those who cheat the system by putting there money in a tax free banking over seas. It is these that cost the country the biggest amount, if this lot that put there money in off shore bank accounts was force to pay the Interest Tax this country would have over £ tillion extra coming in.
They sicken me.
Will they be banned from ever getting another penny in benefits?
They should be. Anyone who abuses the system shouldn't get any more money from it.
The state is too soft on these leeches.
Even lo what these 2 done is totally wrong and should pay it all back, but they are just minnows conpair with sharks the 1% of the population that get away with Trillions each year in tax avoidence
skin2000
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11:24am Tue 2 Oct 12
southy
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11:34am Tue 2 Oct 12
freefinker wrote:It as been getting worse each year, you go back before 1985 and the real problem seems to started then when there was big changes in the system and the cuts made back then, and each time the cuts have been made ever since the problem as grown.
southy wrote:.. do you mean it's "failing" now, but it wasn't before "the cuts in staff numbers"?
Lockssmart wrote:Its failing because of the cuts in staff numbers.
Family Man wrote:Totally agree
The fact that that they can rip off a benefit to the tune of £64,000 is surely an indictment of the system as much as anything else, both in respect of the apparent lack of controls and the amounts of money sloshing around that can be claimed. The press regularly reports huge sums being defrauded and often over a period of years, and I strongly suspect they are simply the tip of the iceberg with even more going unreported.
The whole system seems to need reform to prevent the taxes paid by the hard working taxpayer being abused.
Seems this fraud has been going on for years - how come it has come to light only now - after the staff cuts.
It has not just come to light now, its been known about for many of a years, and the problems that was cause though job cuts.
The system should be employing more people not less, it should grow accordenly to population growth and not less.
Georgem
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11:39am Tue 2 Oct 12
/out
southy
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11:54am Tue 2 Oct 12
Georgem wrote:You go after the ones that cost the country the most first by the lest amount of people where the gain to country is greater.
southy wrote:Give it a rest. You don't have to turn every single story into "let's go after the tax avoiders".
Maine Lobster wrote:You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two.
Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.
If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence.
Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
How many years did it take for these two to rack up £64,000 of benefit cheating, where as a just 1 Tax Avoiding will cost the Country £millions in one year.
Its like I said Sharks and Minnows.
southy
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11:55am Tue 2 Oct 12
Georgem wrote:Its about any one who cheats the system
This thread is now about tax avoidance.
/out
southy
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11:58am Tue 2 Oct 12
Shoong wrote:Its not excuses at all, its the system go after the minnows and make a big deal out of it, keeps your mind occuied on the Minnows and not the sharks of this country.
southy wrote:Don't make excuses for them by trying to score political points.
Lockssmart wrote:Its failing because of the cuts in staff numbers.
Family Man wrote:Totally agree
The fact that that they can rip off a benefit to the tune of £64,000 is surely an indictment of the system as much as anything else, both in respect of the apparent lack of controls and the amounts of money sloshing around that can be claimed. The press regularly reports huge sums being defrauded and often over a period of years, and I strongly suspect they are simply the tip of the iceberg with even more going unreported.
The whole system seems to need reform to prevent the taxes paid by the hard working taxpayer being abused.
It all adds up. So your not willing to shop anyone who is ripping the state off £64,000 because it's small change according to you?
These people aren't in the same category as tax avoiders and or evaders whom you claim to despise so much then? Your values change then when it suits your agenda as usual.
I dunno, reading hypocritical comments such as these make my blood want to dehydrate....
Shoong
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12:08pm Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:Says the guy who avoids/evades tax on tobacco.
Shoong wrote:Its not excuses at all, its the system go after the minnows and make a big deal out of it, keeps your mind occuied on the Minnows and not the sharks of this country.
southy wrote:Don't make excuses for them by trying to score political points.
Lockssmart wrote:Its failing because of the cuts in staff numbers.
Family Man wrote:Totally agree
The fact that that they can rip off a benefit to the tune of £64,000 is surely an indictment of the system as much as anything else, both in respect of the apparent lack of controls and the amounts of money sloshing around that can be claimed. The press regularly reports huge sums being defrauded and often over a period of years, and I strongly suspect they are simply the tip of the iceberg with even more going unreported.
The whole system seems to need reform to prevent the taxes paid by the hard working taxpayer being abused.
It all adds up. So your not willing to shop anyone who is ripping the state off £64,000 because it's small change according to you?
These people aren't in the same category as tax avoiders and or evaders whom you claim to despise so much then? Your values change then when it suits your agenda as usual.
I dunno, reading hypocritical comments such as these make my blood want to dehydrate....
pod
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12:17pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Georgem wrote:could someone please mention that indian thingy, that will get rid of him.
This thread is now about tax avoidance.
/out
Maine Lobster
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12:57pm Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:I agree southy that tax avoidance by individuals and especially by corporations is also a big problem but benefit fraud really is billions I'm afraid.
Maine Lobster wrote: Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two. If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence. Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
southy
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1:19pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Shoong wrote:Shoong your over the mark, I do not buy Tobacco from under the counter, unless you are accusing Kendle Ave Shops of buying Tobacco that do not have Tax duty paid on it.
southy wrote:Says the guy who avoids/evades tax on tobacco.
Shoong wrote:Its not excuses at all, its the system go after the minnows and make a big deal out of it, keeps your mind occuied on the Minnows and not the sharks of this country.
southy wrote:Don't make excuses for them by trying to score political points.
Lockssmart wrote:Its failing because of the cuts in staff numbers.
Family Man wrote:Totally agree
The fact that that they can rip off a benefit to the tune of £64,000 is surely an indictment of the system as much as anything else, both in respect of the apparent lack of controls and the amounts of money sloshing around that can be claimed. The press regularly reports huge sums being defrauded and often over a period of years, and I strongly suspect they are simply the tip of the iceberg with even more going unreported.
The whole system seems to need reform to prevent the taxes paid by the hard working taxpayer being abused.
It all adds up. So your not willing to shop anyone who is ripping the state off £64,000 because it's small change according to you?
These people aren't in the same category as tax avoiders and or evaders whom you claim to despise so much then? Your values change then when it suits your agenda as usual.
I dunno, reading hypocritical comments such as these make my blood want to dehydrate....
Now stop your lieing and you know it is a lie.
southy
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1:42pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Maine Lobster wrote:Benefit fraud is only in the low millions Maine Lobster it cost the country billions to after and try to recover the very small amunts small frys, there was DWP report about the matter 4 mths ago, The low milions was an over estimate as the real figure would never be known.
southy wrote:I agree southy that tax avoidance by individuals and especially by corporations is also a big problem but benefit fraud really is billions I'm afraid.
Maine Lobster wrote: Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two. If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence. Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
Not just Corporations, people like Thacther, Blair, Cameron and Millibands Tax avoid on a big scale also. thatcher alone avoids paying over a million in tax each year.
rich the stitch
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1:51pm Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:Actual facts and figures which can be proven would be nice...but I know you'll side step the issue as always.
Maine Lobster wrote:Benefit fraud is only in the low millions Maine Lobster it cost the country billions to after and try to recover the very small amunts small frys, there was DWP report about the matter 4 mths ago, The low milions was an over estimate as the real figure would never be known. Not just Corporations, people like Thacther, Blair, Cameron and Millibands Tax avoid on a big scale also. thatcher alone avoids paying over a million in tax each year.southy wrote:I agree southy that tax avoidance by individuals and especially by corporations is also a big problem but benefit fraud really is billions I'm afraid.Maine Lobster wrote: Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two. If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence. Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
chelsiemarie
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1:58pm Tue 2 Oct 12
southy
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2:08pm Tue 2 Oct 12
rich the stitch wrote:Not side step but trying to get people to start looking for them selfs, if you don't put your self out to look for things then you become lazy and expect every thing to be handed to you on a plate.
southy wrote:Actual facts and figures which can be proven would be nice...but I know you'll side step the issue as always.
Maine Lobster wrote:Benefit fraud is only in the low millions Maine Lobster it cost the country billions to after and try to recover the very small amunts small frys, there was DWP report about the matter 4 mths ago, The low milions was an over estimate as the real figure would never be known. Not just Corporations, people like Thacther, Blair, Cameron and Millibands Tax avoid on a big scale also. thatcher alone avoids paying over a million in tax each year.southy wrote:I agree southy that tax avoidance by individuals and especially by corporations is also a big problem but benefit fraud really is billions I'm afraid.Maine Lobster wrote: Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two. If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence. Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
And what you are doing is only to distract from the real big problems and why this country is in a big debt, when 1 year of recovery off Tax avoidence would pay off the country national debt in one year, and there would be no need to have cuts in services and job loses.
Inform Al
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2:40pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Georgem
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2:53pm Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:Sources, please. Thatcher AVOIDS £1m in tax each year? Show us this information, or stop making up 'facts'.
Maine Lobster wrote:Benefit fraud is only in the low millions Maine Lobster it cost the country billions to after and try to recover the very small amunts small frys, there was DWP report about the matter 4 mths ago, The low milions was an over estimate as the real figure would never be known.
southy wrote:I agree southy that tax avoidance by individuals and especially by corporations is also a big problem but benefit fraud really is billions I'm afraid.
Maine Lobster wrote: Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two. If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence. Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
Not just Corporations, people like Thacther, Blair, Cameron and Millibands Tax avoid on a big scale also. thatcher alone avoids paying over a million in tax each year.
I heard that the TUSC actually collectively avoids paying eight hundred bazillion pounds in tax every week. Prove me wrong.
100%HANTSBOY
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3:08pm Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:"Sharks and Minnows"....we go after the Minnows because they're easier to catch,if you chase the big fish,he will just swim to deeper waters...check out what is going on in France,they very publicly announce a witch-hunt and call for massive taxes on the super rich,and what happens? They all bugger off to other countries...it's only natural!
Georgem wrote:You go after the ones that cost the country the most first by the lest amount of people where the gain to country is greater.
southy wrote:Give it a rest. You don't have to turn every single story into "let's go after the tax avoiders".
Maine Lobster wrote:You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two.
Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.
If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence.
Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
How many years did it take for these two to rack up £64,000 of benefit cheating, where as a just 1 Tax Avoiding will cost the Country £millions in one year.
Its like I said Sharks and Minnows.
southy
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3:22pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Georgem wrote:Its not made up stop trying to protect your old dodgey leader of the Torys, She is worth Billions, she keeps her money in Lithuania Tax Free Banking, Dennis was an Oil Baron in his own rights, all moneys, shares was pass on to her with his death.
southy wrote:Sources, please. Thatcher AVOIDS £1m in tax each year? Show us this information, or stop making up 'facts'.
Maine Lobster wrote:Benefit fraud is only in the low millions Maine Lobster it cost the country billions to after and try to recover the very small amunts small frys, there was DWP report about the matter 4 mths ago, The low milions was an over estimate as the real figure would never be known.
southy wrote:I agree southy that tax avoidance by individuals and especially by corporations is also a big problem but benefit fraud really is billions I'm afraid.
Maine Lobster wrote: Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two. If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence. Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
Not just Corporations, people like Thacther, Blair, Cameron and Millibands Tax avoid on a big scale also. thatcher alone avoids paying over a million in tax each year.
I heard that the TUSC actually collectively avoids paying eight hundred bazillion pounds in tax every week. Prove me wrong.
Thatcher adter losing her pm job was going the world giving speaches and charging well over £100,000 plus expensives, money that never came into the UK banking system to pay tax on, it went striaght into her Lithunia Tax Free Banking, And how she is able to do this is because while she was PM she had the Banking & Financial Restrictions remove and she was one off the first to move her money out of the UK and into a Tax Free Banking.
And to prive you wrong on the TUSC would be to easy, to avoid paying tax you must have some sort of imcome coming in, The TUSC do not have any Imcome coming in, it relys on public donations to be able to run, Unlike the Torys who have Big Busines that give them large amounts of money to be paid into there Channel Islands Banks (there another Tax free Banking)
southy
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3:28pm Tue 2 Oct 12
100%HANTSBOY wrote:Which be good for France they dont pay to keep them any more, it working out as a large saving for France with them gone and going.
southy wrote:"Sharks and Minnows"....we go after the Minnows because they're easier to catch,if you chase the big fish,he will just swim to deeper waters...check out what is going on in France,they very publicly announce a witch-hunt and call for massive taxes on the super rich,and what happens? They all bugger off to other countries...it's only natural!
Georgem wrote:You go after the ones that cost the country the most first by the lest amount of people where the gain to country is greater.
southy wrote:Give it a rest. You don't have to turn every single story into "let's go after the tax avoiders".
Maine Lobster wrote:You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two.
Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.
If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence.
Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
How many years did it take for these two to rack up £64,000 of benefit cheating, where as a just 1 Tax Avoiding will cost the Country £millions in one year.
Its like I said Sharks and Minnows.
To Stop the Sharks you just put up a net to stop them (putting back the financial and banking restrictions that Thatcher removed) doing that would save big money in this country and the National debt will go back down.
southy
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3:40pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Inform Al wrote:I never to far away from the mark
OMG Southy's right for a change. (or should that be left)?
freefinker
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3:55pm Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:.. wot!!!
100%HANTSBOY wrote:Which be good for France they dont pay to keep them any more, it working out as a large saving for France with them gone and going.
southy wrote:"Sharks and Minnows"....we go after the Minnows because they're easier to catch,if you chase the big fish,he will just swim to deeper waters...check out what is going on in France,they very publicly announce a witch-hunt and call for massive taxes on the super rich,and what happens? They all bugger off to other countries...it's only natural!
Georgem wrote:You go after the ones that cost the country the most first by the lest amount of people where the gain to country is greater.
southy wrote:Give it a rest. You don't have to turn every single story into "let's go after the tax avoiders".
Maine Lobster wrote:You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two.
Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.
If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence.
Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
How many years did it take for these two to rack up £64,000 of benefit cheating, where as a just 1 Tax Avoiding will cost the Country £millions in one year.
Its like I said Sharks and Minnows.
To Stop the Sharks you just put up a net to stop them (putting back the financial and banking restrictions that Thatcher removed) doing that would save big money in this country and the National debt will go back down.
"they dont pay to keep them any more"?
Whar are you on about?
southy
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4:29pm Tue 2 Oct 12
freefinker wrote:These sort of people want to pay the lest amount but want a lot more than they put in. like here in the Uk a person/s living a band A home is paying more tax per sq meter to live in than a peron/s in a band G home, the pressure on local sevices are greater the higher the band is, thats just one example.
southy wrote:.. wot!!!
100%HANTSBOY wrote:Which be good for France they dont pay to keep them any more, it working out as a large saving for France with them gone and going.
southy wrote:"Sharks and Minnows"....we go after the Minnows because they're easier to catch,if you chase the big fish,he will just swim to deeper waters...check out what is going on in France,they very publicly announce a witch-hunt and call for massive taxes on the super rich,and what happens? They all bugger off to other countries...it's only natural!
Georgem wrote:You go after the ones that cost the country the most first by the lest amount of people where the gain to country is greater.
southy wrote:Give it a rest. You don't have to turn every single story into "let's go after the tax avoiders".
Maine Lobster wrote:You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two.
Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.
If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence.
Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
How many years did it take for these two to rack up £64,000 of benefit cheating, where as a just 1 Tax Avoiding will cost the Country £millions in one year.
Its like I said Sharks and Minnows.
To Stop the Sharks you just put up a net to stop them (putting back the financial and banking restrictions that Thatcher removed) doing that would save big money in this country and the National debt will go back down.
"they dont pay to keep them any more"?
Whar are you on about?
with them out of the country, they are putting less pressure on the system, and with france putting back the banking and finance restrictions back, money will not be leaving the country whole sale, so they will have to start paying tax on the interest on there finance that is in that country (any money they make in france will not be easy to put into tax free banking, not with out paying a large surchange.
Georgem
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5:15pm Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:Except when you simply make up stories, tell us them, and pretend they're facts. Any idiot can pretend to be right if they point-blank refuse to EVER provide any evidence for anything they say.
Inform Al wrote:I never to far away from the mark
OMG Southy's right for a change. (or should that be left)?
Georgem
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5:16pm Tue 2 Oct 12
southy wrote:Not a single member of the TUSC earns a penny? Not one of them? Really?
Georgem wrote:Its not made up stop trying to protect your old dodgey leader of the Torys, She is worth Billions, she keeps her money in Lithuania Tax Free Banking, Dennis was an Oil Baron in his own rights, all moneys, shares was pass on to her with his death.
southy wrote:Sources, please. Thatcher AVOIDS £1m in tax each year? Show us this information, or stop making up 'facts'.
Maine Lobster wrote:Benefit fraud is only in the low millions Maine Lobster it cost the country billions to after and try to recover the very small amunts small frys, there was DWP report about the matter 4 mths ago, The low milions was an over estimate as the real figure would never be known.
southy wrote:I agree southy that tax avoidance by individuals and especially by corporations is also a big problem but benefit fraud really is billions I'm afraid.
Maine Lobster wrote: Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two. If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence. Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
Not just Corporations, people like Thacther, Blair, Cameron and Millibands Tax avoid on a big scale also. thatcher alone avoids paying over a million in tax each year.
I heard that the TUSC actually collectively avoids paying eight hundred bazillion pounds in tax every week. Prove me wrong.
Thatcher adter losing her pm job was going the world giving speaches and charging well over £100,000 plus expensives, money that never came into the UK banking system to pay tax on, it went striaght into her Lithunia Tax Free Banking, And how she is able to do this is because while she was PM she had the Banking & Financial Restrictions remove and she was one off the first to move her money out of the UK and into a Tax Free Banking.
And to prive you wrong on the TUSC would be to easy, to avoid paying tax you must have some sort of imcome coming in, The TUSC do not have any Imcome coming in, it relys on public donations to be able to run, Unlike the Torys who have Big Busines that give them large amounts of money to be paid into there Channel Islands Banks (there another Tax free Banking)
Thatcher's worth 'billions' is she? I heard that you, personally, avoid paying three zillion pounds in tax every week. Prove me wrong.
I, too, can play the 'simply make stuff up and shift the burden of proof onto someone else' game.
Hedgendman
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9:54pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Lets stop allowing all the rich people to avoid tax!
They can move to another country and provide jobs there, we don't need those jobs do we?
At the end of the day the government need to allow a bit of it otherwise they would force certain individuals away who actually benefit the country in different ways.
Benefit claims
They should have dedicated officers who deal with people face to face. Expensive I know, but if people have LCD tabs etc they need less benefit. It's all about relative poverty not actual poverty.these days if you don't have a flat screen tv and beers you feel poor but in the old days having no heat and food meant you were poor.
Mr Cynical
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1:30am Wed 3 Oct 12
Southy, will you please quit with your constant bullcrap twisting of every news item comment board into an anti-thatcher rant. I really am sick of it and clearly not alone in feeling that way.
Get the feck over yourself.
And to point out the obvious for you and any other asshat that seems to be excusing Mr and Mrs porridge, tax avoidance is not illegal, but benefit fraud is.
If you don't like that simple fact lobby your mp to do something about it, because i can guarantee that you will never be elected to do so.
Now kindly take your socialist tripe somewhere where it is appreciated. God knows where that is but it ain't here.
Mr Cynical
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1:43am Wed 3 Oct 12
chelsiemarie wrote:Providing for your children isn't the same as stealing for your children.
I think people should know the full story before writing pathetic small minded comments. The fact that you all feel the need to give up your time to express your unwanted opinions is hilarious! Have you ever heard the phrase don't judge someone until you've walked a day in their shoes? Are any of you parents? Would you not do anything to provide for your children? Even if it does mean abusing the already corrupted system? These people have been judged and are paying for their crime take your **** somewhere else!
Sounds like you are one of their kids who benefited from stolen money?
Best not put your head above the parapet if you don't want to be associated with crooks who maybe aren't that much of a stranger to the police...
Millions of people work hard to go without and still provide for their kids. Mr and Mrs porridge here are thieves and liars and deserve every week of that sentence.
rich the stitch
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8:33am Wed 3 Oct 12
southy wrote:I've looked at 4 sites, all say around the same figure - £1.2billion, which is a little higher that the couple of million you suggest. I know what your response will be, I'm looking at the wrong sites and/ or they have been hacked and the figures changed. All I am asking for is a little bit of proof that your fugures are real. If you don't believe mine have a look, it's £1.2billion.
rich the stitch wrote:Not side step but trying to get people to start looking for them selfs, if you don't put your self out to look for things then you become lazy and expect every thing to be handed to you on a plate. And what you are doing is only to distract from the real big problems and why this country is in a big debt, when 1 year of recovery off Tax avoidence would pay off the country national debt in one year, and there would be no need to have cuts in services and job loses.southy wrote:Actual facts and figures which can be proven would be nice...but I know you'll side step the issue as always.Maine Lobster wrote:Benefit fraud is only in the low millions Maine Lobster it cost the country billions to after and try to recover the very small amunts small frys, there was DWP report about the matter 4 mths ago, The low milions was an over estimate as the real figure would never be known. Not just Corporations, people like Thacther, Blair, Cameron and Millibands Tax avoid on a big scale also. thatcher alone avoids paying over a million in tax each year.southy wrote:I agree southy that tax avoidance by individuals and especially by corporations is also a big problem but benefit fraud really is billions I'm afraid.Maine Lobster wrote: Unfortunately it is all too easy to claim Housing and Council Tax Benefit fraudulently as it is effectively based on the honesty of the claimant. Self employed people often hide earnings and many so called single parents have non declared partners who are working. The system needs much more scrutiny and resources which could save billions but that means more benefit fraud staff and the Government don't want to pay for it. They seem more content with paying the benefit fraud.You would never save Billions, but you would save a million or two. If you want to save Billions of lost money then you need to go after the ones where a sigle person is cheating the Tax system out of millions in tax advoidence. Its in the Tax system where this country losses the most money, and by a fewer people.
CHARLIE TAYLOR says...
5:49am Tue 2 Oct 12