Barton Farm development will go ahead on edge of Winchester

Barton Farm

Barton Farm

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Winchester Chief Reporter

THE Government this afternoon approved the building of 2,000 homes at Barton Farm on the edge of the city.

The decision by the Department of Communities and Local Government will bitterly disappoint campaigners who have fought plans for some 15 years.

Communities secretary Eric Pickles had last year sent the decision to be made by the city council.

But he reversed his decision after the threat of a legal challenge by developer Cala Homes.

Steve Brine, Winchester & Chandler's Ford MP said: “This is a bitterly disappointing decision from the coalition Government.

"CALA homes have very deep pockets and have relentlessly pursued Winchester over many years until they got what they wanted.

"Because of the Appeal system it was always possible they'd win one day and today it looks like they have.”

City council leader Cllr Keith Wood, added: “Personally I am disappointed that the time has come to release this site for housing but the Secretary of State has applied his own rules and we have no choice but to follow them.

"We argued strongly about the application, but we have been overtaken by events. The Council now needs to ensure that the development of this site generates all the promised benefits to the community.

"We plan to set up a forum to help ensure that the development minimises the disruption to Winchester residents, and the infrastructure requirements are implemented properly and promptly.”

Of the 2,000 homes some 800 will be social housing for people currently on the city council waiting list.

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4:08pm Tue 2 Oct 12

wossit says...

Great 800 social houses, another crime black spot
Great 800 social houses, another crime black spot wossit
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4:09pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Quote:- Steve Brine, Winchester & Chandler's Ford MP said: “This is a bitterly disappointing decision from the coalition Government.
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Not 100% accurate Mr Brine ........ This is a TORY led Coalition Government.
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What makes you and some of the residents of Winchester think that they are exempt from house building in the area ...... We are all in this together !!!
Quote:- Steve Brine, Winchester & Chandler's Ford MP said: “This is a bitterly disappointing decision from the coalition Government. . Not 100% accurate Mr Brine ........ This is a TORY led Coalition Government. . What makes you and some of the residents of Winchester think that they are exempt from house building in the area ...... We are all in this together !!! Lone Ranger.
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4:16pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Shoong says...

wossit wrote:
Great 800 social houses, another crime black spot
Maybe, if you've got some better ideas sat in your penthouse suite, let us know why don't ya.
[quote][p][bold]wossit[/bold] wrote: Great 800 social houses, another crime black spot[/p][/quote]Maybe, if you've got some better ideas sat in your penthouse suite, let us know why don't ya. Shoong
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4:18pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Shoong says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote:- Steve Brine, Winchester & Chandler's Ford MP said: “This is a bitterly disappointing decision from the coalition Government.
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Not 100% accurate Mr Brine ........ This is a TORY led Coalition Government.
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What makes you and some of the residents of Winchester think that they are exempt from house building in the area ...... We are all in this together !!!
I'm in favour of it, but at least he's listened to the concerns of his constituents and not just pulled the government line, it's a bit refreshing.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote:- Steve Brine, Winchester & Chandler's Ford MP said: “This is a bitterly disappointing decision from the coalition Government. . Not 100% accurate Mr Brine ........ This is a TORY led Coalition Government. . What makes you and some of the residents of Winchester think that they are exempt from house building in the area ...... We are all in this together !!![/p][/quote]I'm in favour of it, but at least he's listened to the concerns of his constituents and not just pulled the government line, it's a bit refreshing. Shoong
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4:45pm Tue 2 Oct 12

fuzzyfelt says...

winchester has always pushed houses to the edge of nearby local authorities a classic example is whitley ghost village
winchester has always pushed houses to the edge of nearby local authorities a classic example is whitley ghost village fuzzyfelt
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4:55pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Likesadrink says...

This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me....

Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions!
This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me.... Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions! Likesadrink
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5:04pm Tue 2 Oct 12

BenjiWinsor says...

This is excellent news, we badly need more housing.
This is excellent news, we badly need more housing. BenjiWinsor
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5:18pm Tue 2 Oct 12

winchester resident says...

Likesadrink wrote:
This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me....

Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions!
Lashing out indiscriminately at so called "baby boomers" is not helpful and suggests the poster may have been rather too influenced by a rash of 20 something journalists writing rather similar articles.

People born in the immediate post war years (45 to about 48) and then in the second baby boom (60 to the early seventies) have to live somewhere and isn't in itself greedy.
Those in the earlier baby boom have experienced the dreadful economic clime of the 70s and early 80s.....high interest rates, difficulties finding jobs, debts that they thought they'd never pay off.
House prices will NOT crash. The UK is too attractive a place for a great many Europeans amongst others. 1,200 open market houses will frankly not make a difference to house prices.
It's good that Barton Farm will be built but NOT for the reasons of Likesadrink who seem to wish too many other people harm.
[quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me.... Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions![/p][/quote]Lashing out indiscriminately at so called "baby boomers" is not helpful and suggests the poster may have been rather too influenced by a rash of 20 something journalists writing rather similar articles. People born in the immediate post war years (45 to about 48) and then in the second baby boom (60 to the early seventies) have to live somewhere and isn't in itself greedy. Those in the earlier baby boom have experienced the dreadful economic clime of the 70s and early 80s.....high interest rates, difficulties finding jobs, debts that they thought they'd never pay off. House prices will NOT crash. The UK is too attractive a place for a great many Europeans amongst others. 1,200 open market houses will frankly not make a difference to house prices. It's good that Barton Farm will be built but NOT for the reasons of Likesadrink who seem to wish too many other people harm. winchester resident
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5:21pm Tue 2 Oct 12

winchester resident says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/magazine-16853
368
(not a baby boomer myself btw, but I hate the articles attacking 1)the elderly and 2) s0-called "baby-boomers".
http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/magazine-16853 368 (not a baby boomer myself btw, but I hate the articles attacking 1)the elderly and 2) s0-called "baby-boomers". winchester resident
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6:16pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Nicole23 says...

Where is the expanding population of Winchester supposed to live? In tents ?
Where is the expanding population of Winchester supposed to live? In tents ? Nicole23
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7:40pm Tue 2 Oct 12

ameliaS says...

The people said "No", the Council said "No", the MP said "No" - so much for localism.
The people said "No", the Council said "No", the MP said "No" - so much for localism. ameliaS
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8:41pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Georgem says...

wossit wrote:
Great 800 social houses, another crime black spot
This has to be one of the most negative things I've ever read. Do you hang around outside maternity wards, bemoaning the births of all the future rapists and muggers?
[quote][p][bold]wossit[/bold] wrote: Great 800 social houses, another crime black spot[/p][/quote]This has to be one of the most negative things I've ever read. Do you hang around outside maternity wards, bemoaning the births of all the future rapists and muggers? Georgem
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8:14am Wed 3 Oct 12

Crazywolf says...

What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning!
What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning! Crazywolf
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8:40am Wed 3 Oct 12

Georgem says...

Crazywolf wrote:
What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning!
It'll take more than a 'few' people to build 2000 homes, and the attendant infrastructure, roads, pipes and cabling, street lighting etc. Then, once they're built, that's 2000 new families that need goods and services. There's scope for new shops to be built nearby, with people working in them. More postal routes. Maybe a new bus route. All sound trivial individually, but 2000 people generate a fair amount of cash, and they need somewhere local to spend some of it. It all adds up.
[quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning![/p][/quote]It'll take more than a 'few' people to build 2000 homes, and the attendant infrastructure, roads, pipes and cabling, street lighting etc. Then, once they're built, that's 2000 new families that need goods and services. There's scope for new shops to be built nearby, with people working in them. More postal routes. Maybe a new bus route. All sound trivial individually, but 2000 people generate a fair amount of cash, and they need somewhere local to spend some of it. It all adds up. Georgem
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9:16am Wed 3 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside.

I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account.

My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters.

After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now.

But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid".

Which is very interesting, because either :
1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely.
2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week.
3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own.

Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.
Grow up sunshine.
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If you dont want to post then dont.
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You dont need to post your pathetic twaddle about you being the victim AGAIN.
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You are the one to close your account . Just dont use it.
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Good Bye!!
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside. I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account. My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters. After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now. But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid". Which is very interesting, because either : 1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely. 2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week. 3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own. Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.[/p][/quote]Grow up sunshine. . If you dont want to post then dont. . You dont need to post your pathetic twaddle about you being the victim AGAIN. . You are the one to close your account . Just dont use it. . Good Bye!! Lone Ranger.
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9:49am Wed 3 Oct 12

St. Saint says...

ameliaS wrote:
The people said "No", the Council said "No", the MP said "No" - so much for localism.
I get the impression from those I have talked to in Winchester that this is exactly what everyone wanted, other than those who own houses nearby and don't want their value to drop.

Great news for the building services and tradesmen in the area. This will create thousands of jobs.
[quote][p][bold]ameliaS[/bold] wrote: The people said "No", the Council said "No", the MP said "No" - so much for localism.[/p][/quote]I get the impression from those I have talked to in Winchester that this is exactly what everyone wanted, other than those who own houses nearby and don't want their value to drop. Great news for the building services and tradesmen in the area. This will create thousands of jobs. St. Saint
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10:29am Wed 3 Oct 12

Shoong says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside.

I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account.

My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters.

After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now.

But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid".

Which is very interesting, because either :
1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely.
2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week.
3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own.

Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.
Yes, we are all having sleeping nights.

It's not an 'account' as such, just a sign in.

If you are holding a gun to your own head to keep posting back, maybe it's time you pulled the trigger.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside. I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account. My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters. After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now. But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid". Which is very interesting, because either : 1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely. 2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week. 3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own. Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.[/p][/quote]Yes, we are all having sleeping nights. It's not an 'account' as such, just a sign in. If you are holding a gun to your own head to keep posting back, maybe it's time you pulled the trigger. Shoong
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11:02am Wed 3 Oct 12

Shoong says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside.

I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account.

My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters.

After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now.

But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid".

Which is very interesting, because either :
1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely.
2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week.
3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own.

Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.
You do know that if you click the 'Logged in as..' it will take you to Log out screen?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside. I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account. My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters. After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now. But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid". Which is very interesting, because either : 1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely. 2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week. 3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own. Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.[/p][/quote]You do know that if you click the 'Logged in as..' it will take you to Log out screen? Shoong
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12:01pm Wed 3 Oct 12

sid the snake says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside. I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account. My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters. After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now. But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid". Which is very interesting, because either : 1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely. 2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week. 3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own. Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.
Please don't stop posting...my colleagues and I laugh at you during lunch breaks.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside. I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account. My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters. After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now. But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid". Which is very interesting, because either : 1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely. 2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week. 3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own. Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.[/p][/quote]Please don't stop posting...my colleagues and I laugh at you during lunch breaks. sid the snake
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12:09pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Niel says...

fuzzyfelt wrote:
winchester has always pushed houses to the edge of nearby local authorities a classic example is whitley ghost village
Certain outlying mini-estate's of social housing in the meon valley have become Winchester's dumping grounds for problems. One can only hope Winchester will put all their bad egg's in the one basket and allow other area's, such as Fareham, some peace... But I doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]fuzzyfelt[/bold] wrote: winchester has always pushed houses to the edge of nearby local authorities a classic example is whitley ghost village[/p][/quote]Certain outlying mini-estate's of social housing in the meon valley have become Winchester's dumping grounds for problems. One can only hope Winchester will put all their bad egg's in the one basket and allow other area's, such as Fareham, some peace... But I doubt it. Niel
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12:58pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Home Rule for England says...

http://www.communiti
es.gov.uk/localgover
nment/decentralisati
on/localismbill/


'The Localism Bill includes five key measures that underpin the Government's approach to decentralisation.

Community rights
Neighbourhood planning
Housing
General power of competence
Empowering cities and other local areas'

Not worth the paper its written on! Yet more British government lies.
http://www.communiti es.gov.uk/localgover nment/decentralisati on/localismbill/ 'The Localism Bill includes five key measures that underpin the Government's approach to decentralisation. Community rights Neighbourhood planning Housing General power of competence Empowering cities and other local areas' Not worth the paper its written on! Yet more British government lies. Home Rule for England
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1:15pm Wed 3 Oct 12

batesieboy says...

Crazywolf wrote:
What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning!
When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples.
[quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning![/p][/quote]When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples. batesieboy
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1:17pm Wed 3 Oct 12

batesieboy says...

St. Saint wrote:
ameliaS wrote:
The people said "No", the Council said "No", the MP said "No" - so much for localism.
I get the impression from those I have talked to in Winchester that this is exactly what everyone wanted, other than those who own houses nearby and don't want their value to drop.

Great news for the building services and tradesmen in the area. This will create thousands of jobs.
Great news for Poland, you mean.
[quote][p][bold]St. Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ameliaS[/bold] wrote: The people said "No", the Council said "No", the MP said "No" - so much for localism.[/p][/quote]I get the impression from those I have talked to in Winchester that this is exactly what everyone wanted, other than those who own houses nearby and don't want their value to drop. Great news for the building services and tradesmen in the area. This will create thousands of jobs.[/p][/quote]Great news for Poland, you mean. batesieboy
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1:22pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Georgem says...

Billy, rest assured I have had no contact whatsoever from Dan Kerins, or any other admin, or anyone else at all regarding recent incidents, or my perceived behaviour on this site. I'm posting just as I always have, in the same tone as always, with the exception of simply not getting into any more childish bickering with you. That 'childish bickering' refers to all concerned, by the way, myself included, it isn't aimed solely at you, nor am I apportioning blame solely to you. Notice that I chose not to be involved in them as of late Saturday afternoon.

To the rest of you, far be it from me to tell you what to do, but despite what he claims, possibly even what he believes, BillyTheKid IS a troll, and you're feeding him. As long as that happens, threads will continue to devolve into the ridiculous farces of the weekend.

I literally do not care how you respond to this, Billy. Despite your protests, I'm here to discuss the stories, and the issues behind the stories, and will continue to do so as I see fit. Sometimes with a serious tone, sometimes not. I hope you find it within yourself not to cause the levels of disruption you have of late. It is unfair on the majority of readers, who do not come here to see endless insults and name-calling.
Billy, rest assured I have had no contact whatsoever from Dan Kerins, or any other admin, or anyone else at all regarding recent incidents, or my perceived behaviour on this site. I'm posting just as I always have, in the same tone as always, with the exception of simply not getting into any more childish bickering with you. That 'childish bickering' refers to all concerned, by the way, myself included, it isn't aimed solely at you, nor am I apportioning blame solely to you. Notice that I chose not to be involved in them as of late Saturday afternoon. To the rest of you, far be it from me to tell you what to do, but despite what he claims, possibly even what he believes, BillyTheKid IS a troll, and you're feeding him. As long as that happens, threads will continue to devolve into the ridiculous farces of the weekend. I literally do not care how you respond to this, Billy. Despite your protests, I'm here to discuss the stories, and the issues behind the stories, and will continue to do so as I see fit. Sometimes with a serious tone, sometimes not. I hope you find it within yourself not to cause the levels of disruption you have of late. It is unfair on the majority of readers, who do not come here to see endless insults and name-calling. Georgem
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1:23pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Georgem says...

batesieboy wrote:
Crazywolf wrote:
What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning!
When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples.
Lame. 2/10. Troll harder.
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning![/p][/quote]When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples.[/p][/quote]Lame. 2/10. Troll harder. Georgem
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1:27pm Wed 3 Oct 12

St. Saint says...

batesieboy wrote:
Crazywolf wrote:
What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning!
When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples.
A few? It's 2000 homes!!! Let alone the community buildings, sports pavilion, school expansions, retail outlets, landscaping, town planning etc.The amount of work that goes into that is obviously something you don't understand.

The point of affordable housing is also so people who work in the area can afford to buy, rather than those from out of town.

why wouldn't those workers be English? Especially if the evil foreigners are charging exorbitant rates.
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning![/p][/quote]When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples.[/p][/quote]A few? It's 2000 homes!!! Let alone the community buildings, sports pavilion, school expansions, retail outlets, landscaping, town planning etc.The amount of work that goes into that is obviously something you don't understand. The point of affordable housing is also so people who work in the area can afford to buy, rather than those from out of town. why wouldn't those workers be English? Especially if the evil foreigners are charging exorbitant rates. St. Saint
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1:31pm Wed 3 Oct 12

St. Saint says...

Georgem wrote:
Billy, rest assured I have had no contact whatsoever from Dan Kerins, or any other admin, or anyone else at all regarding recent incidents, or my perceived behaviour on this site. I'm posting just as I always have, in the same tone as always, with the exception of simply not getting into any more childish bickering with you. That 'childish bickering' refers to all concerned, by the way, myself included, it isn't aimed solely at you, nor am I apportioning blame solely to you. Notice that I chose not to be involved in them as of late Saturday afternoon.

To the rest of you, far be it from me to tell you what to do, but despite what he claims, possibly even what he believes, BillyTheKid IS a troll, and you're feeding him. As long as that happens, threads will continue to devolve into the ridiculous farces of the weekend.

I literally do not care how you respond to this, Billy. Despite your protests, I'm here to discuss the stories, and the issues behind the stories, and will continue to do so as I see fit. Sometimes with a serious tone, sometimes not. I hope you find it within yourself not to cause the levels of disruption you have of late. It is unfair on the majority of readers, who do not come here to see endless insults and name-calling.
Apparently he is a full time carer according to one of his other posts. The amount of time he spends on here and the attitude he has you really have to feel for whoever he is looking after. Mind you probably made that up.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: Billy, rest assured I have had no contact whatsoever from Dan Kerins, or any other admin, or anyone else at all regarding recent incidents, or my perceived behaviour on this site. I'm posting just as I always have, in the same tone as always, with the exception of simply not getting into any more childish bickering with you. That 'childish bickering' refers to all concerned, by the way, myself included, it isn't aimed solely at you, nor am I apportioning blame solely to you. Notice that I chose not to be involved in them as of late Saturday afternoon. To the rest of you, far be it from me to tell you what to do, but despite what he claims, possibly even what he believes, BillyTheKid IS a troll, and you're feeding him. As long as that happens, threads will continue to devolve into the ridiculous farces of the weekend. I literally do not care how you respond to this, Billy. Despite your protests, I'm here to discuss the stories, and the issues behind the stories, and will continue to do so as I see fit. Sometimes with a serious tone, sometimes not. I hope you find it within yourself not to cause the levels of disruption you have of late. It is unfair on the majority of readers, who do not come here to see endless insults and name-calling.[/p][/quote]Apparently he is a full time carer according to one of his other posts. The amount of time he spends on here and the attitude he has you really have to feel for whoever he is looking after. Mind you probably made that up. St. Saint
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1:36pm Wed 3 Oct 12

St. Saint says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
The thought that some of you one day might become home owners and live amongst normal people fills me with horror.

You have missed my point. I cancelled last Friday, and decided to "irritate" people who attacked me over the weekend in one last skirmish. I would have expected to have been banned or something by now, this being an unjust, unfair world, etc. Looks like I'm being retained for entertainment value.

My guess is that Georgem has had his virtual butt kicked, as he seems to be pretending to be normal at the moment, making civilised posts.

I don't think that it is morally right that, just because it is the internet and people can be anonymous, they should feel they can abuse that privilege and be cruel, callous and offensive.

So who are you ? You have bad attitudes, and don't seem to have any real in-depth knowledge or understanding about anything. School kids ? Not likely. Students ? Possibly. Unemployed ? Very likely. Unemployable ? Again, very likely. You have a lot of time to spare, so if you are in employment, it's obviously low-paid, basic clerical or similar.

Oh well, that just about covers everything. What I still don't get, ( having recently given up trying to recover some credibility ) is why you engage with me ? Why do you place me centre-stage and put yourselves in the role of some yah-boo pantomime audience ? Of course ! You are all football supporters and have this "herd" mentality, unable to think for yourselves and function as individuals.

That concludes my investigations and tests ! I'll let you "lab rats" get on now.
Are you under the impression that rental properties are only situated in some sort of segregated 'Ghetto'?

More to the point, is everyone that doesn't own their own home not a 'normal person'?
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: The thought that some of you one day might become home owners and live amongst normal people fills me with horror. You have missed my point. I cancelled last Friday, and decided to "irritate" people who attacked me over the weekend in one last skirmish. I would have expected to have been banned or something by now, this being an unjust, unfair world, etc. Looks like I'm being retained for entertainment value. My guess is that Georgem has had his virtual butt kicked, as he seems to be pretending to be normal at the moment, making civilised posts. I don't think that it is morally right that, just because it is the internet and people can be anonymous, they should feel they can abuse that privilege and be cruel, callous and offensive. So who are you ? You have bad attitudes, and don't seem to have any real in-depth knowledge or understanding about anything. School kids ? Not likely. Students ? Possibly. Unemployed ? Very likely. Unemployable ? Again, very likely. You have a lot of time to spare, so if you are in employment, it's obviously low-paid, basic clerical or similar. Oh well, that just about covers everything. What I still don't get, ( having recently given up trying to recover some credibility ) is why you engage with me ? Why do you place me centre-stage and put yourselves in the role of some yah-boo pantomime audience ? Of course ! You are all football supporters and have this "herd" mentality, unable to think for yourselves and function as individuals. That concludes my investigations and tests ! I'll let you "lab rats" get on now.[/p][/quote]Are you under the impression that rental properties are only situated in some sort of segregated 'Ghetto'? More to the point, is everyone that doesn't own their own home not a 'normal person'? St. Saint
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2:13pm Wed 3 Oct 12

lowe esteem says...

Likesadrink wrote:
This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me....

Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions!
Me Me ME Number One...
[quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me.... Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions![/p][/quote]Me Me ME Number One... lowe esteem
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2:14pm Wed 3 Oct 12

lowe esteem says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside.

I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account.

My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters.

After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now.

But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid".

Which is very interesting, because either :
1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely.
2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week.
3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own.

Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.
Me Me ME Number Two.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: An attempt at matching the birth rate to the death rate might solve the population problem, and stop our determined effort to eradicate the countryside. I emailed Dan Kerins personally to close my account. My intention was to read the Echo stories but never to post again as I thoroughly disapprove of the way I am spoken to here by a number of posters. After the mayhem on one or two threads last week, and the fact that you had all decided I was to blame, I thought that, one way or another, the account would be cancelled by now. But here I still am. It still says "Logged on as Billy The Kid". Which is very interesting, because either : 1. No one has complained, which does seem unlikely. 2. The administrators have disregarded the complaints, and do not hold me responsible for the nonsense last week. 3. Dan Kerins is on holiday ? Well, he doesn't monitor the site on his own. Something for my detractors to think about. Just because you think you are right, and agree with each other that you are right, does not mean you are right. Looks like you've been treated with the contempt you deserve.[/p][/quote]Me Me ME Number Two. lowe esteem
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3:19pm Wed 3 Oct 12

georgetheseventh says...

Wirly billiant nues..I has much fimaly cuming ovir frim Yakistan sune shid bee plinty muge rume fir ruz orll..yipneeee.....
Wirly billiant nues..I has much fimaly cuming ovir frim Yakistan sune shid bee plinty muge rume fir ruz orll..yipneeee..... georgetheseventh
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3:29pm Wed 3 Oct 12

georgetheseventh says...

winchester resident wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me....

Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions!
Lashing out indiscriminately at so called "baby boomers" is not helpful and suggests the poster may have been rather too influenced by a rash of 20 something journalists writing rather similar articles.

People born in the immediate post war years (45 to about 48) and then in the second baby boom (60 to the early seventies) have to live somewhere and isn't in itself greedy.
Those in the earlier baby boom have experienced the dreadful economic clime of the 70s and early 80s.....high interest rates, difficulties finding jobs, debts that they thought they'd never pay off.
House prices will NOT crash. The UK is too attractive a place for a great many Europeans amongst others. 1,200 open market houses will frankly not make a difference to house prices.
It's good that Barton Farm will be built but NOT for the reasons of Likesadrink who seem to wish too many other people harm.
Hey hey hey now..just a minute..I started work in 1959 aged 14 two years later became an apprentice in engineering..I received poor wages all through my apprenticeship but it still had tax/insurance deducted..I paid two pensions most of my working life NHS and into contributory pension funds..I paid a lot of tax..especially as marine engineer...I 'partly' retired in 1997 and then worked part time jobs STILL paying taxes..until full retirement and I still pay a 'small' amount of tax...dont you think I and similar people deserve something..except just your generations attitude of 'oh.have them all put down' ?
[quote][p][bold]winchester resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me.... Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions![/p][/quote]Lashing out indiscriminately at so called "baby boomers" is not helpful and suggests the poster may have been rather too influenced by a rash of 20 something journalists writing rather similar articles. People born in the immediate post war years (45 to about 48) and then in the second baby boom (60 to the early seventies) have to live somewhere and isn't in itself greedy. Those in the earlier baby boom have experienced the dreadful economic clime of the 70s and early 80s.....high interest rates, difficulties finding jobs, debts that they thought they'd never pay off. House prices will NOT crash. The UK is too attractive a place for a great many Europeans amongst others. 1,200 open market houses will frankly not make a difference to house prices. It's good that Barton Farm will be built but NOT for the reasons of Likesadrink who seem to wish too many other people harm.[/p][/quote]Hey hey hey now..just a minute..I started work in 1959 aged 14 two years later became an apprentice in engineering..I received poor wages all through my apprenticeship but it still had tax/insurance deducted..I paid two pensions most of my working life NHS and into contributory pension funds..I paid a lot of tax..especially as marine engineer...I 'partly' retired in 1997 and then worked part time jobs STILL paying taxes..until full retirement and I still pay a 'small' amount of tax...dont you think I and similar people deserve something..except just your generations attitude of 'oh.have them all put down' ? georgetheseventh
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3:29pm Wed 3 Oct 12

georgetheseventh says...

winchester resident wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me....

Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions!
Lashing out indiscriminately at so called "baby boomers" is not helpful and suggests the poster may have been rather too influenced by a rash of 20 something journalists writing rather similar articles.

People born in the immediate post war years (45 to about 48) and then in the second baby boom (60 to the early seventies) have to live somewhere and isn't in itself greedy.
Those in the earlier baby boom have experienced the dreadful economic clime of the 70s and early 80s.....high interest rates, difficulties finding jobs, debts that they thought they'd never pay off.
House prices will NOT crash. The UK is too attractive a place for a great many Europeans amongst others. 1,200 open market houses will frankly not make a difference to house prices.
It's good that Barton Farm will be built but NOT for the reasons of Likesadrink who seem to wish too many other people harm.
Hey hey hey now..just a minute..I started work in 1959 aged 14 two years later became an apprentice in engineering..I received poor wages all through my apprenticeship but it still had tax/insurance deducted..I paid two pensions most of my working life NHS and into contributory pension funds..I paid a lot of tax..especially as marine engineer...I 'partly' retired in 1997 and then worked part time jobs STILL paying taxes..until full retirement and I still pay a 'small' amount of tax...dont you think I and similar people deserve something..except just your generations attitude of 'oh.have them all put down' ?
[quote][p][bold]winchester resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: This is great news! I've wanted to live in Winchester for years but have not been able to afford to do so. This will obviously bring down house prices which are too high and make it accessible for the likes of me.... Too many NIMBY baby boomers sitting on a fortune greedily denying my generation access to home ownership. I've got a good job (as has the missus) no debt, £30k savings and accept that I won't have a pension (I'm 28, they won't exist when I get old, we can't afford it as a country) and I'll have to work until I die probably. However I can't afford a house in Winchester or nearby. Thank god the council have pushed this though - hopefully it happens more and house prices crash making them accessible to the country's current & future workers that pay for the baby boomers pensions![/p][/quote]Lashing out indiscriminately at so called "baby boomers" is not helpful and suggests the poster may have been rather too influenced by a rash of 20 something journalists writing rather similar articles. People born in the immediate post war years (45 to about 48) and then in the second baby boom (60 to the early seventies) have to live somewhere and isn't in itself greedy. Those in the earlier baby boom have experienced the dreadful economic clime of the 70s and early 80s.....high interest rates, difficulties finding jobs, debts that they thought they'd never pay off. House prices will NOT crash. The UK is too attractive a place for a great many Europeans amongst others. 1,200 open market houses will frankly not make a difference to house prices. It's good that Barton Farm will be built but NOT for the reasons of Likesadrink who seem to wish too many other people harm.[/p][/quote]Hey hey hey now..just a minute..I started work in 1959 aged 14 two years later became an apprentice in engineering..I received poor wages all through my apprenticeship but it still had tax/insurance deducted..I paid two pensions most of my working life NHS and into contributory pension funds..I paid a lot of tax..especially as marine engineer...I 'partly' retired in 1997 and then worked part time jobs STILL paying taxes..until full retirement and I still pay a 'small' amount of tax...dont you think I and similar people deserve something..except just your generations attitude of 'oh.have them all put down' ? georgetheseventh
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4:22pm Wed 3 Oct 12

batesieboy says...

Georgem wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
Crazywolf wrote:
What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning!
When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples.
Lame. 2/10. Troll harder.
Georgem...immature..
.grow up.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning![/p][/quote]When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples.[/p][/quote]Lame. 2/10. Troll harder.[/p][/quote]Georgem...immature.. .grow up. batesieboy
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4:26pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Georgem says...

batesieboy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
Crazywolf wrote:
What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning!
When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples.
Lame. 2/10. Troll harder.
Georgem...immature..

.grow up.
Be less of a pretend racist, then. They're a dime a dozen here.
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is how building houses will generate jobs? OK a few while they're being built but after that just busier trains to London every morning![/p][/quote]When these jerry-built rabbit hutches start to fall to pieces within the year, workers (usually from Eastern Europe but certainly not English!) will be needed to fix them at exorbitant rates. Simples.[/p][/quote]Lame. 2/10. Troll harder.[/p][/quote]Georgem...immature.. .grow up.[/p][/quote]Be less of a pretend racist, then. They're a dime a dozen here. Georgem
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