Why are motorists still being charged for the Itchen Toll Bridge?

Daily Echo: Angry: Patsy Harcuss Angry: Patsy Harcuss

IT IS a journey that mum Patsy Harcuss must make in order to have hospital appointments and to see her son.

Every time Patsy’s husband Eric takes her from the eastern side of the Itchen Bridge to a city hospital or to see her beloved son Alan in Millbrook she has to fork out at least 50p to cross the bridge.

Patsy suffers from a form of arthritis and a spinal disability but she has to add £1.20 on her journey every time she goes to see the doctor and make the return journey home.

Mrs Harcuss’s daughter, Claire Sivyour recently asked Southampton City Council why motorists still have to pay the toll.

“Why are there still charges to use the Itchen toll bridge?”

Mrs Sivyour asked at Court Leet this week. “Now that it’s being automated surely the intention is that it will now never be free?”

Patsy’s level of disability means that she can drive across free, but her husband has to pay when she is in the car.

“It’s not just my issue, it’s everybody’s issue,” said Mrs Harcuss, 55. “Why are we still paying for it?”

It’s the question that many people continue to ask.

Before the bridge was introduced in 1977, anyone wanting to cross the River Itchen would have to be ferried across on a chain-pulled floating bridge, which had been in use since the 1830s.

In June 1977 that was replaced by the £12 million concrete bridge allowing vehicles to cross the water 24 metres above the surface.

In the first week 55,600 vehicles crossed the Itchen Bridge and now seven million people drive across it each year.

Last year a £1m overhaul saw repairs done to the 62,000-tonne bridge’s supporting structure while blue lights were placed on top of the bridge at a cost of between £100,000 and £200,000.

It has raised more than £50m in tolls since they were introduced to “regulate traffic flows” although the automated tolls are said to improve traffic flows.

But if motorists are feeling bad crossing the Itchen Bridge feel bad for others who have to go across other toll bridges.

Many drivers heading to Wales rummage around their pockets trying to find £6 in their wallet before they cross the Severn Bridge – but drivers coming back into England don’t have to pay a thing.

Motorists heading across the Clifton Suspension Bridge in Bristol will have fork out 50p to get across while another landmark bridge in the north of the country sees car drivers paying £1.50 to cross the Humber Bridge in Hull.

The opening of the M6 toll road in 2005 saw a small reduction in congestion around Birmingham, but not much. Perhaps it was the £5.50 fare during the week which led to only 50,000 motorists using the 27-mile stretch of road.

The only UK toll that has been withdrawn is that of the Forth Road Bridge, spanning the Firth of Forth in eastern Scotland.

After much debate the Scottish Parliament voted to withdraw the toll which varied in price throughout the day in 2008.

So will the Itchen Bridge toll be withdrawn any time soon?

Southampton City Council have said that the toll does not pay for the initial cost of the bridge but to maintain it.

Their website said: “The tolls are not in place solely to pay for the construction and maintenance of the bridge. They were introduced because the building of such a bridge would increase the volumes of private and commercial traffic from all over the region, particularly during peak times.”

The bridge is meant to be used primarily for those living in Woolston not to cut across the city which is why commercial vehicles have to pay a fee of £25.

A spokesman from Southampton City Council was not available for further comment.

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6:06am Sun 7 Oct 12

Dowland says...

We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more. Dowland
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6:48am Sun 7 Oct 12

sotonbusdriver says...

Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
I see your point, but they claim that the toll is purely to maintain the bridge....
It is in fact a HIGHWAY and surely is covered under the highways act, and is funded from central government...
They couldn't raise the Council Tax anymore if there were not tolls, because that tax is for bins, litter and like, Council Taxes are not for highways repairs...
To stop lorries using the road, so it is for LOCAL TRAFFIC which they refer to, is simple, put a 5 tonne weight limit, buses exempt....
And lastly, it is a bridge just like Northam, Cobden, and other bridges all over the country that motorist DO NOT have to pay to use...
[quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]I see your point, but they claim that the toll is purely to maintain the bridge.... It is in fact a HIGHWAY and surely is covered under the highways act, and is funded from central government... They couldn't raise the Council Tax anymore if there were not tolls, because that tax is for bins, litter and like, Council Taxes are not for highways repairs... To stop lorries using the road, so it is for LOCAL TRAFFIC which they refer to, is simple, put a 5 tonne weight limit, buses exempt.... And lastly, it is a bridge just like Northam, Cobden, and other bridges all over the country that motorist DO NOT have to pay to use... sotonbusdriver
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6:48am Sun 7 Oct 12

hmw says...

Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
“Why are there still charges to use the
Itchen toll bridge?”

Erm...the clue is in the name, Patsy
[quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]“Why are there still charges to use the Itchen toll bridge?” Erm...the clue is in the name, Patsy hmw
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8:11am Sun 7 Oct 12

CEH393 says...

Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
"The toll bridge is a great way of raising money for Southampton residents" it seems rather unfair that the money comes just from the pockets of the residents from Woolston when Northam bridge and Cobden bridge are free to cross these days. Its obvious the bridge is a cash cow for the council, now they are not giving change they will make even more money from it. Are the current toll booth operators being made redundant? If so that will save even more money for the council, they could pass the savings on and lower the tolls as they do not have the cost of their wages to cover.
[quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]"The toll bridge is a great way of raising money for Southampton residents" it seems rather unfair that the money comes just from the pockets of the residents from Woolston when Northam bridge and Cobden bridge are free to cross these days. Its obvious the bridge is a cash cow for the council, now they are not giving change they will make even more money from it. Are the current toll booth operators being made redundant? If so that will save even more money for the council, they could pass the savings on and lower the tolls as they do not have the cost of their wages to cover. CEH393
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8:25am Sun 7 Oct 12

mmmmm says...

Bottom line is that bridge is now overpaid for, why should tolls continue? We all pay road tax, that should cover maintenance, why should residents this side of the city be penalised? Automated toll booths are only being put in to save money and with that level of investment the tolls aren't going to go away soon. Congestion on Northam bridge would be reduced if the tolls were scrapped.
Bottom line is that bridge is now overpaid for, why should tolls continue? We all pay road tax, that should cover maintenance, why should residents this side of the city be penalised? Automated toll booths are only being put in to save money and with that level of investment the tolls aren't going to go away soon. Congestion on Northam bridge would be reduced if the tolls were scrapped. mmmmm
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8:55am Sun 7 Oct 12

Sovietobserver says...

CEH393 wrote:
Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
"The toll bridge is a great way of raising money for Southampton residents" it seems rather unfair that the money comes just from the pockets of the residents from Woolston when Northam bridge and Cobden bridge are free to cross these days. Its obvious the bridge is a cash cow for the council, now they are not giving change they will make even more money from it. Are the current toll booth operators being made redundant? If so that will save even more money for the council, they could pass the savings on and lower the tolls as they do not have the cost of their wages to cover.
Previous DE report stated, " According to a council spokesman, The toll booths staff who hold 20 permanent posts will be redeployed to other rolls to help drivers who have difficulties.
From midnight until 6am the site will be monitored and operated remotely by CCTV and intercom".
[quote][p][bold]CEH393[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]"The toll bridge is a great way of raising money for Southampton residents" it seems rather unfair that the money comes just from the pockets of the residents from Woolston when Northam bridge and Cobden bridge are free to cross these days. Its obvious the bridge is a cash cow for the council, now they are not giving change they will make even more money from it. Are the current toll booth operators being made redundant? If so that will save even more money for the council, they could pass the savings on and lower the tolls as they do not have the cost of their wages to cover.[/p][/quote]Previous DE report stated, " According to a council spokesman, The toll booths staff who hold 20 permanent posts will be redeployed to other rolls to help drivers who have difficulties. From midnight until 6am the site will be monitored and operated remotely by CCTV and intercom". Sovietobserver
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8:59am Sun 7 Oct 12

Linesman says...

As a matter of interest, is the bridge at Ealing Mill still a toll bridge? If it is, then as tolls have been collected there for more than a century, then surely that has been paid for many times over.
As a matter of interest, is the bridge at Ealing Mill still a toll bridge? If it is, then as tolls have been collected there for more than a century, then surely that has been paid for many times over. Linesman
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9:22am Sun 7 Oct 12

CazzB says...

Yes Ealing Mill bridge is still a toll bridge
Yes Ealing Mill bridge is still a toll bridge CazzB
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9:26am Sun 7 Oct 12

Maine Lobster says...

Sovietobserver wrote:
CEH393 wrote:
Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
"The toll bridge is a great way of raising money for Southampton residents" it seems rather unfair that the money comes just from the pockets of the residents from Woolston when Northam bridge and Cobden bridge are free to cross these days. Its obvious the bridge is a cash cow for the council, now they are not giving change they will make even more money from it. Are the current toll booth operators being made redundant? If so that will save even more money for the council, they could pass the savings on and lower the tolls as they do not have the cost of their wages to cover.
Previous DE report stated, " According to a council spokesman, The toll booths staff who hold 20 permanent posts will be redeployed to other rolls to help drivers who have difficulties.
From midnight until 6am the site will be monitored and operated remotely by CCTV and intercom".
The claim of saving money by installing thes machines is just a distraction. The redeployed staff will still have to be paid and the cost of purchasing,installin
g and maintaining the machines will be considerable. Of course the automation will lead innevitably to break downs and unforeseen problems which will cause gridlock, whereas a human in a booth will not have these problems and will have the ability to deal with issues on the spot.
We all know the frustrations and delays of automation at call centres etc and this situation will be no different.
[quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CEH393[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]"The toll bridge is a great way of raising money for Southampton residents" it seems rather unfair that the money comes just from the pockets of the residents from Woolston when Northam bridge and Cobden bridge are free to cross these days. Its obvious the bridge is a cash cow for the council, now they are not giving change they will make even more money from it. Are the current toll booth operators being made redundant? If so that will save even more money for the council, they could pass the savings on and lower the tolls as they do not have the cost of their wages to cover.[/p][/quote]Previous DE report stated, " According to a council spokesman, The toll booths staff who hold 20 permanent posts will be redeployed to other rolls to help drivers who have difficulties. From midnight until 6am the site will be monitored and operated remotely by CCTV and intercom".[/p][/quote]The claim of saving money by installing thes machines is just a distraction. The redeployed staff will still have to be paid and the cost of purchasing,installin g and maintaining the machines will be considerable. Of course the automation will lead innevitably to break downs and unforeseen problems which will cause gridlock, whereas a human in a booth will not have these problems and will have the ability to deal with issues on the spot. We all know the frustrations and delays of automation at call centres etc and this situation will be no different. Maine Lobster
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9:32am Sun 7 Oct 12

LeTissiersEarLobe says...

The council still have to pay for the fantastic motorbility scheme, so a lot of the time they pay to cross the bridge but don't actually pay for the car being driven.
The council still have to pay for the fantastic motorbility scheme, so a lot of the time they pay to cross the bridge but don't actually pay for the car being driven. LeTissiersEarLobe
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9:43am Sun 7 Oct 12

dand_uk says...

mmmmm wrote:
Bottom line is that bridge is now overpaid for, why should tolls continue? We all pay road tax, that should cover maintenance, why should residents this side of the city be penalised? Automated toll booths are only being put in to save money and with that level of investment the tolls aren't going to go away soon. Congestion on Northam bridge would be reduced if the tolls were scrapped.
Haha that old myth - "road tax" you mean VED does not pay for roads directly- it is general taxation that can be used for anything and is a tax on your vehicle's emissions. Some clean vehicles are exempt. I believe local authority road maintenance is funded by council tax but I could be wrong...
[quote][p][bold]mmmmm[/bold] wrote: Bottom line is that bridge is now overpaid for, why should tolls continue? We all pay road tax, that should cover maintenance, why should residents this side of the city be penalised? Automated toll booths are only being put in to save money and with that level of investment the tolls aren't going to go away soon. Congestion on Northam bridge would be reduced if the tolls were scrapped.[/p][/quote]Haha that old myth - "road tax" you mean VED does not pay for roads directly- it is general taxation that can be used for anything and is a tax on your vehicle's emissions. Some clean vehicles are exempt. I believe local authority road maintenance is funded by council tax but I could be wrong... dand_uk
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9:44am Sun 7 Oct 12

andysaints007 says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
I see your point, but they claim that the toll is purely to maintain the bridge....
It is in fact a HIGHWAY and surely is covered under the highways act, and is funded from central government...
They couldn't raise the Council Tax anymore if there were not tolls, because that tax is for bins, litter and like, Council Taxes are not for highways repairs...
To stop lorries using the road, so it is for LOCAL TRAFFIC which they refer to, is simple, put a 5 tonne weight limit, buses exempt....
And lastly, it is a bridge just like Northam, Cobden, and other bridges all over the country that motorist DO NOT have to pay to use...
Sotonbusdriver it is so simple in=t's quite unbelievable really!! If you or anyone else does not want to pay the toll - DONT USE THE BRIDGE !! How difficult is this for you and every other whinger to understand!!
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]I see your point, but they claim that the toll is purely to maintain the bridge.... It is in fact a HIGHWAY and surely is covered under the highways act, and is funded from central government... They couldn't raise the Council Tax anymore if there were not tolls, because that tax is for bins, litter and like, Council Taxes are not for highways repairs... To stop lorries using the road, so it is for LOCAL TRAFFIC which they refer to, is simple, put a 5 tonne weight limit, buses exempt.... And lastly, it is a bridge just like Northam, Cobden, and other bridges all over the country that motorist DO NOT have to pay to use...[/p][/quote]Sotonbusdriver it is so simple in=t's quite unbelievable really!! If you or anyone else does not want to pay the toll - DONT USE THE BRIDGE !! How difficult is this for you and every other whinger to understand!! andysaints007
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9:48am Sun 7 Oct 12

andysaints007 says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
CEH393 wrote:
Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
"The toll bridge is a great way of raising money for Southampton residents" it seems rather unfair that the money comes just from the pockets of the residents from Woolston when Northam bridge and Cobden bridge are free to cross these days. Its obvious the bridge is a cash cow for the council, now they are not giving change they will make even more money from it. Are the current toll booth operators being made redundant? If so that will save even more money for the council, they could pass the savings on and lower the tolls as they do not have the cost of their wages to cover.
Previous DE report stated, " According to a council spokesman, The toll booths staff who hold 20 permanent posts will be redeployed to other rolls to help drivers who have difficulties.
From midnight until 6am the site will be monitored and operated remotely by CCTV and intercom".
The claim of saving money by installing thes machines is just a distraction. The redeployed staff will still have to be paid and the cost of purchasing,installin

g and maintaining the machines will be considerable. Of course the automation will lead innevitably to break downs and unforeseen problems which will cause gridlock, whereas a human in a booth will not have these problems and will have the ability to deal with issues on the spot.
We all know the frustrations and delays of automation at call centres etc and this situation will be no different.
Have you ever travelled through France or Italy? I think they have more experience about how toll booths work best than you do!! In the last 25 years I have traveled there, it seems that a mix of human and automated tolls always works best! But what do they know
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CEH393[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]"The toll bridge is a great way of raising money for Southampton residents" it seems rather unfair that the money comes just from the pockets of the residents from Woolston when Northam bridge and Cobden bridge are free to cross these days. Its obvious the bridge is a cash cow for the council, now they are not giving change they will make even more money from it. Are the current toll booth operators being made redundant? If so that will save even more money for the council, they could pass the savings on and lower the tolls as they do not have the cost of their wages to cover.[/p][/quote]Previous DE report stated, " According to a council spokesman, The toll booths staff who hold 20 permanent posts will be redeployed to other rolls to help drivers who have difficulties. From midnight until 6am the site will be monitored and operated remotely by CCTV and intercom".[/p][/quote]The claim of saving money by installing thes machines is just a distraction. The redeployed staff will still have to be paid and the cost of purchasing,installin g and maintaining the machines will be considerable. Of course the automation will lead innevitably to break downs and unforeseen problems which will cause gridlock, whereas a human in a booth will not have these problems and will have the ability to deal with issues on the spot. We all know the frustrations and delays of automation at call centres etc and this situation will be no different.[/p][/quote]Have you ever travelled through France or Italy? I think they have more experience about how toll booths work best than you do!! In the last 25 years I have traveled there, it seems that a mix of human and automated tolls always works best! But what do they know andysaints007
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9:50am Sun 7 Oct 12

andysaints007 says...

On another note - surely there is a Weight Watchers club on this side of the bridge.
On another note - surely there is a Weight Watchers club on this side of the bridge. andysaints007
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10:04am Sun 7 Oct 12

Inform Al says...

The only thing I have ever 'driven' across this bridge is a bicycle because it's free. In my car I always use Northam bridge, because it's free. If everyone followed my example there would probably be nice long hold ups across quite a lot of the city leading to the council having to remove the tolls. Simples.
The only thing I have ever 'driven' across this bridge is a bicycle because it's free. In my car I always use Northam bridge, because it's free. If everyone followed my example there would probably be nice long hold ups across quite a lot of the city leading to the council having to remove the tolls. Simples. Inform Al
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10:05am Sun 7 Oct 12

__KTF__ says...

I thought trolls should live under bridges, not have their photo taken standing on them?
I thought trolls should live under bridges, not have their photo taken standing on them? __KTF__
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10:29am Sun 7 Oct 12

mickey01 says...

i havnt got a problem paying to use the bridge if the council put the money to good use instead of spending thousands on needless blue lights etc etc
and maybe a few jogs over the bridge may help those two loose a few pounds in another way
i havnt got a problem paying to use the bridge if the council put the money to good use instead of spending thousands on needless blue lights etc etc and maybe a few jogs over the bridge may help those two loose a few pounds in another way mickey01
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11:47am Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

dand_uk wrote:
mmmmm wrote:
Bottom line is that bridge is now overpaid for, why should tolls continue? We all pay road tax, that should cover maintenance, why should residents this side of the city be penalised? Automated toll booths are only being put in to save money and with that level of investment the tolls aren't going to go away soon. Congestion on Northam bridge would be reduced if the tolls were scrapped.
Haha that old myth - "road tax" you mean VED does not pay for roads directly- it is general taxation that can be used for anything and is a tax on your vehicle's emissions. Some clean vehicles are exempt. I believe local authority road maintenance is funded by council tax but I could be wrong...
Ahh, you took the words out of my mouth about the "Road tax" comment that mmmmm made as it was abolished along with the road fund in 1937 by Churchill and it is indeed local taxes that are used for road maintenance, otherwise, why would different authorities use different contractors to do the same work? If it was funded by central government, then I think we would see Balfour Beaty messing up roads all over the country.
[quote][p][bold]dand_uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mmmmm[/bold] wrote: Bottom line is that bridge is now overpaid for, why should tolls continue? We all pay road tax, that should cover maintenance, why should residents this side of the city be penalised? Automated toll booths are only being put in to save money and with that level of investment the tolls aren't going to go away soon. Congestion on Northam bridge would be reduced if the tolls were scrapped.[/p][/quote]Haha that old myth - "road tax" you mean VED does not pay for roads directly- it is general taxation that can be used for anything and is a tax on your vehicle's emissions. Some clean vehicles are exempt. I believe local authority road maintenance is funded by council tax but I could be wrong...[/p][/quote]Ahh, you took the words out of my mouth about the "Road tax" comment that mmmmm made as it was abolished along with the road fund in 1937 by Churchill and it is indeed local taxes that are used for road maintenance, otherwise, why would different authorities use different contractors to do the same work? If it was funded by central government, then I think we would see Balfour Beaty messing up roads all over the country. Ginger_cyclist
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12:07pm Sun 7 Oct 12

BenjiWinsor says...

Linesman wrote:
As a matter of interest, is the bridge at Ealing Mill still a toll bridge? If it is, then as tolls have been collected there for more than a century, then surely that has been paid for many times over.
Do you mean Eling? As in the Eling bridge inTotton?
Or Ealing in London?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest, is the bridge at Ealing Mill still a toll bridge? If it is, then as tolls have been collected there for more than a century, then surely that has been paid for many times over.[/p][/quote]Do you mean Eling? As in the Eling bridge inTotton? Or Ealing in London? BenjiWinsor
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12:15pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Georgem says...

hmw wrote:
Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
“Why are there still charges to use the
Itchen toll bridge?”

Erm...the clue is in the name, Patsy
So if we renamed it the Itchen Rape Bridge, sexual assault would be ok on it? Clue's in the name!
[quote][p][bold]hmw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]“Why are there still charges to use the Itchen toll bridge?” Erm...the clue is in the name, Patsy[/p][/quote]So if we renamed it the Itchen Rape Bridge, sexual assault would be ok on it? Clue's in the name! Georgem
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12:25pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
hmw wrote:
Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
“Why are there still charges to use the
Itchen toll bridge?”

Erm...the clue is in the name, Patsy
So if we renamed it the Itchen Rape Bridge, sexual assault would be ok on it? Clue's in the name!
That would take it's toll on the locals.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hmw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]“Why are there still charges to use the Itchen toll bridge?” Erm...the clue is in the name, Patsy[/p][/quote]So if we renamed it the Itchen Rape Bridge, sexual assault would be ok on it? Clue's in the name![/p][/quote]That would take it's toll on the locals. Ginger_cyclist
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2:17pm Sun 7 Oct 12

mickey01 says...

from what i know of this family is that they have claimed benefits all their lives and it is not their place to complain about paying for the toll but the hard working people who have to cross the bridge evryday
from what i know of this family is that they have claimed benefits all their lives and it is not their place to complain about paying for the toll but the hard working people who have to cross the bridge evryday mickey01
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3:03pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

mickey01 wrote:
from what i know of this family is that they have claimed benefits all their lives and it is not their place to complain about paying for the toll but the hard working people who have to cross the bridge evryday
Wrong, it's everyone's place to complain, I mean, we are supposed to be a democratic country aren't we? How is saying one group of people haven't got the right to complain, just because they have a history of claiming benefits, democratic? That's like saying a homeless person doesn't have the right to shelter and food just because they sleep under the Bargate and eat out of bins.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: from what i know of this family is that they have claimed benefits all their lives and it is not their place to complain about paying for the toll but the hard working people who have to cross the bridge evryday[/p][/quote]Wrong, it's everyone's place to complain, I mean, we are supposed to be a democratic country aren't we? How is saying one group of people haven't got the right to complain, just because they have a history of claiming benefits, democratic? That's like saying a homeless person doesn't have the right to shelter and food just because they sleep under the Bargate and eat out of bins. Ginger_cyclist
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3:50pm Sun 7 Oct 12

egghead65 says...

bridges dont run themselves.pay up or go long way round.
bridges dont run themselves.pay up or go long way round. egghead65
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8:25pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Georgem wrote:
hmw wrote:
Dowland wrote:
We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.
“Why are there still charges to use the
Itchen toll bridge?”

Erm...the clue is in the name, Patsy
So if we renamed it the Itchen Rape Bridge, sexual assault would be ok on it? Clue's in the name!
That would take it's toll on the locals.
Bah-dum tshhh!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hmw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dowland[/bold] wrote: We have paid a toll to cross The River Itchen at this point for very many years before the bridge was built and let us face facts that the bridge is a much better option in this day and age than the old ferry that used to go back and forth and we had quite lengthy waits for it during the night time. I believe that I am correct in saying that when the bridge was first opened The City Council did say that once the money that was used to build the bridge was scraped back then the bridge would become free of charge to cross. I personally feel (rightly or wrongly) that the toll charge is a great way of raising money and thus supporting everyone of Southampton Citizens, I feel that if The City Council did not have this money coming in from the toll charges then that money would have to be found from some other source i.e. Council Charge/Taxes for everyone of us that live here. On a personal note of the lady telling us all about her plight of crossing the bridge, I do not really understand her issue with the bridge or the toll charge as she do have the option of crossing The River Itchen at Northam Bridge which is free although it might take her slightly longer to get wherever she wants to get to but we are only talking about a few minutes added to her journey. If the lady is disabled then she can apply for free tokens and cross the bridge totally free of any toll whether she is on her own in the vehicle or whether she has a car full of people. One final thought that I would like readers to bear in mind that if The City Council did not have this regular money coming in then they will need to get it from somewhere and that will mean that every Citizen of Southampton will all have to dig into our pockets a bit more.[/p][/quote]“Why are there still charges to use the Itchen toll bridge?” Erm...the clue is in the name, Patsy[/p][/quote]So if we renamed it the Itchen Rape Bridge, sexual assault would be ok on it? Clue's in the name![/p][/quote]That would take it's toll on the locals.[/p][/quote]Bah-dum tshhh! Georgem
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10:47pm Sun 7 Oct 12

TEBOURBA says...

A true story, stuck in a traffic jam, in a taxi, whilst visiting Scotland I asked the driver what was causing the hold up.
He replied that it was the bridge.
I asked him whether it was a toll bridge, to which he replied " ach aye no --- it's quite a low one!"
A true story, stuck in a traffic jam, in a taxi, whilst visiting Scotland I asked the driver what was causing the hold up. He replied that it was the bridge. I asked him whether it was a toll bridge, to which he replied " ach aye no --- it's quite a low one!" TEBOURBA
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