Passengers hurt as bus and coach in crash on The Avenue in Southampton

Daily Echo: The Bluestar bus after the crash The Bluestar bus after the crash

Two passengers were taken to hospital and another 15 injured after a bus and coach crashed in the centre of Southampton.

Emergency services rushed to the accident on The Avenue near its junction with Burgess Road.

It involved a Bluestar double decker bus and a coach travelling southbound toward Southampton city centre.

South Central Ambulance Service sent a Hazardous Area Response Team as well as two double-manned ambulances and a Rapid Response Vehicle amid concerns that many of the 48 people on board the two vehicles had been seriously injured.

They treated 15 casualties from the bus for minor injuries and they checked over all 33 of the coach passengers.

Two of them were taken to Southampton General Hospital with spinal injuries.

More details of the accident, which happened at 5.45pm yesterday, emerged tonight.

It caused queues of traffic backed up in both directions as medics worked at the scene .

Police were called in to help ease the gridlock as motorists faced lengthy delays in to the early evening.

Last night they said four vehicles in total had been involved in the collision, which smashed the glass panels in the front of the double decker.

The number 1 Bluestar bus was on its way from Winchester to Southampton when the crash took place, having stopped en route at Compton, Otterbourne and Shawford and Chandler's Ford.

Nobody was available for comment from the company.

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11:23am Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town. Ginger_cyclist

11:46am Sun 7 Oct 12

C2OPPY says...

I sent that picture in as it happens lol
Come from a friend of a friend
I sent that picture in as it happens lol Come from a friend of a friend C2OPPY

11:57am Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

C2OPPY wrote:
I sent that picture in as it happens lol
Come from a friend of a friend
Do you know if the coach was turning left like I'm pretty sure it was?
[quote][p][bold]C2OPPY[/bold] wrote: I sent that picture in as it happens lol Come from a friend of a friend[/p][/quote]Do you know if the coach was turning left like I'm pretty sure it was? Ginger_cyclist

2:27pm Sun 7 Oct 12

dolomiteman says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
All I can say is im glad you are not my insuarnce assessor if you base you facts on what might have happened because you have seen a bus run a red light.
Its not only blue star drivers who run red lights I have seen cyclist do that and also more cyclists using the road without lights and using the pedestrain pavements than I have seen buses without lights or driving on the pavement so on that basis every incident involving a cyclist is their fault (which to be honest it normally is, I know that because I've seen a cyclist)
The BS buses are fitted with cameras!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]All I can say is im glad you are not my insuarnce assessor if you base you facts on what might have happened because you have seen a bus run a red light. Its not only blue star drivers who run red lights I have seen cyclist do that and also more cyclists using the road without lights and using the pedestrain pavements than I have seen buses without lights or driving on the pavement so on that basis every incident involving a cyclist is their fault (which to be honest it normally is, I know that because I've seen a cyclist) The BS buses are fitted with cameras! dolomiteman

3:35pm Sun 7 Oct 12

ohec says...

Why do people feel the need to comment on something they haven't any knowledge off, and as for Ginger_cyclist taring every bus driver with the same brush, when people try that with cyclist he is the first one to throw his toys out of the pram as far as he is concerned unless you have a saddle stuck to your arse and handle bars in your hands you are a menace on the road full stop. And in my humble experience people like that are the worst whether it be cycling or anything else that seem to have a mental block for any opinion other than their own because they are always right.
Why do people feel the need to comment on something they haven't any knowledge off, and as for Ginger_cyclist taring every bus driver with the same brush, when people try that with cyclist he is the first one to throw his toys out of the pram as far as he is concerned unless you have a saddle stuck to your arse and handle bars in your hands you are a menace on the road full stop. And in my humble experience people like that are the worst whether it be cycling or anything else that seem to have a mental block for any opinion other than their own because they are always right. ohec

3:41pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Northamboy says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist!

Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist! Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement? Northamboy

4:24pm Sun 7 Oct 12

solomum says...

Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.
Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries. solomum

5:11pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Disaster Area says...

As a bus driver out out the area I am disgusted with the pleb on the bike,Bet he doesn't sit on his bike for up to five and half hours at a time ? The worst thing on this planet is having to get past a pleb on a bike driving a bus !!! All I can hope is that the bus driver is OK and fit for duty so he can carry on on earning his meagre wage for avoiding accidents on multiple occasions through the course of his working day
As a bus driver out out the area I am disgusted with the pleb on the bike,Bet he doesn't sit on his bike for up to five and half hours at a time ? The worst thing on this planet is having to get past a pleb on a bike driving a bus !!! All I can hope is that the bus driver is OK and fit for duty so he can carry on on earning his meagre wage for avoiding accidents on multiple occasions through the course of his working day Disaster Area

6:10pm Sun 7 Oct 12

bigal007 says...

think of the compo!!
think of the compo!! bigal007

7:17pm Sun 7 Oct 12

so'tongirl says...

Disaster Area wrote:
As a bus driver out out the area I am disgusted with the pleb on the bike,Bet he doesn't sit on his bike for up to five and half hours at a time ? The worst thing on this planet is having to get past a pleb on a bike driving a bus !!! All I can hope is that the bus driver is OK and fit for duty so he can carry on on earning his meagre wage for avoiding accidents on multiple occasions through the course of his working day
Well said, I quite agree with you.
[quote][p][bold]Disaster Area[/bold] wrote: As a bus driver out out the area I am disgusted with the pleb on the bike,Bet he doesn't sit on his bike for up to five and half hours at a time ? The worst thing on this planet is having to get past a pleb on a bike driving a bus !!! All I can hope is that the bus driver is OK and fit for duty so he can carry on on earning his meagre wage for avoiding accidents on multiple occasions through the course of his working day[/p][/quote]Well said, I quite agree with you. so'tongirl

8:29pm Sun 7 Oct 12

downfader says...

The "pleb on the bike" is only putting forward anecdote. Something of which MOST of you have done every time there is a cycling related story or casualty reported.

Think on.

He doesnt have to defend his position here - but those involved in the collision would do well to look at what happened today with the Police.
The "pleb on the bike" is only putting forward anecdote. Something of which MOST of you have done every time there is a cycling related story or casualty reported. Think on. He doesnt have to defend his position here - but those involved in the collision would do well to look at what happened today with the Police. downfader

8:29pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
Allow me to sum up your post:

"I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there, so instead let me make something up. Also, here are some unrelated incidents that bear no relevance whatsoever"
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]Allow me to sum up your post: "I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there, so instead let me make something up. Also, here are some unrelated incidents that bear no relevance whatsoever" Georgem

8:37pm Sun 7 Oct 12

downfader says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
Allow me to sum up your post:

"I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there, so instead let me make something up. Also, here are some unrelated incidents that bear no relevance whatsoever"
As I said earlier - he's only doing what a LOT of others have done on the cycling stories.

It does, surely, bring about the question - if not on here, why on those other stories?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]Allow me to sum up your post: "I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there, so instead let me make something up. Also, here are some unrelated incidents that bear no relevance whatsoever"[/p][/quote]As I said earlier - he's only doing what a LOT of others have done on the cycling stories. It does, surely, bring about the question - if not on here, why on those other stories? downfader

8:38pm Sun 7 Oct 12

downfader says...

downfader wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
Allow me to sum up your post:

"I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there, so instead let me make something up. Also, here are some unrelated incidents that bear no relevance whatsoever"
As I said earlier - he's only doing what a LOT of others have done on the cycling stories.

It does, surely, bring about the question - if not on here, why on those other stories?
And I'll add - the Echo could do better - they should have locked down the comments due to it being an RTC
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]Allow me to sum up your post: "I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there, so instead let me make something up. Also, here are some unrelated incidents that bear no relevance whatsoever"[/p][/quote]As I said earlier - he's only doing what a LOT of others have done on the cycling stories. It does, surely, bring about the question - if not on here, why on those other stories?[/p][/quote]And I'll add - the Echo could do better - they should have locked down the comments due to it being an RTC downfader

9:06pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Georgem says...

downfader wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
Allow me to sum up your post:

"I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there, so instead let me make something up. Also, here are some unrelated incidents that bear no relevance whatsoever"
As I said earlier - he's only doing what a LOT of others have done on the cycling stories.

It does, surely, bring about the question - if not on here, why on those other stories?
Indeed. The cyclist vs motorist argument is notorious for ridiculous sweeping statements, from both sides.

In answer to your question - "if not on here, why on those other stories?" - I'd say, not on those other stories, either. People love to complain about broad generalisations made against a demographic they belong to, yet are quite happy to broadly generalise other demographics. I'm quite happy to point it out when it happens.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]Allow me to sum up your post: "I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there, so instead let me make something up. Also, here are some unrelated incidents that bear no relevance whatsoever"[/p][/quote]As I said earlier - he's only doing what a LOT of others have done on the cycling stories. It does, surely, bring about the question - if not on here, why on those other stories?[/p][/quote]Indeed. The cyclist vs motorist argument is notorious for ridiculous sweeping statements, from both sides. In answer to your question - "if not on here, why on those other stories?" - I'd say, not on those other stories, either. People love to complain about broad generalisations made against a demographic they belong to, yet are quite happy to broadly generalise other demographics. I'm quite happy to point it out when it happens. Georgem

9:19pm Sun 7 Oct 12

yellowcard says...

solomum wrote:
Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.
it says nothing about the bus being over crowded
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.[/p][/quote]it says nothing about the bus being over crowded yellowcard

10:21pm Sun 7 Oct 12

dango says...

the Echo obviously disagree with my comment Re: a fat journo should have gone there to report, removed again! Freedom of speech, anyone? The Echo like to suppress it.
the Echo obviously disagree with my comment Re: a fat journo should have gone there to report, removed again! Freedom of speech, anyone? The Echo like to suppress it. dango

11:15pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Georgem says...

dango wrote:
the Echo obviously disagree with my comment Re: a fat journo should have gone there to report, removed again! Freedom of speech, anyone? The Echo like to suppress it.
How are they suppressing free speech? They're not stopping you saying anything, they're just not willing to publish it all for you. Can I post something derogatory about you on your website, that you pay for? Nope, thought not. Stop suppressing my freedom of speech.
[quote][p][bold]dango[/bold] wrote: the Echo obviously disagree with my comment Re: a fat journo should have gone there to report, removed again! Freedom of speech, anyone? The Echo like to suppress it.[/p][/quote]How are they suppressing free speech? They're not stopping you saying anything, they're just not willing to publish it all for you. Can I post something derogatory about you on your website, that you pay for? Nope, thought not. Stop suppressing my freedom of speech. Georgem

11:28pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

dolomiteman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
All I can say is im glad you are not my insuarnce assessor if you base you facts on what might have happened because you have seen a bus run a red light.
Its not only blue star drivers who run red lights I have seen cyclist do that and also more cyclists using the road without lights and using the pedestrain pavements than I have seen buses without lights or driving on the pavement so on that basis every incident involving a cyclist is their fault (which to be honest it normally is, I know that because I've seen a cyclist)
The BS buses are fitted with cameras!
If you had almost been run off the road by a large number of buses, you'd probably feel the same way, the worst one was a BS bus, passed me so close I could have pressed the emergency door button without moving my hand from the handlebar.
[quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]All I can say is im glad you are not my insuarnce assessor if you base you facts on what might have happened because you have seen a bus run a red light. Its not only blue star drivers who run red lights I have seen cyclist do that and also more cyclists using the road without lights and using the pedestrain pavements than I have seen buses without lights or driving on the pavement so on that basis every incident involving a cyclist is their fault (which to be honest it normally is, I know that because I've seen a cyclist) The BS buses are fitted with cameras![/p][/quote]If you had almost been run off the road by a large number of buses, you'd probably feel the same way, the worst one was a BS bus, passed me so close I could have pressed the emergency door button without moving my hand from the handlebar. Ginger_cyclist

11:32pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

ohec wrote:
Why do people feel the need to comment on something they haven't any knowledge off, and as for Ginger_cyclist taring every bus driver with the same brush, when people try that with cyclist he is the first one to throw his toys out of the pram as far as he is concerned unless you have a saddle stuck to your arse and handle bars in your hands you are a menace on the road full stop. And in my humble experience people like that are the worst whether it be cycling or anything else that seem to have a mental block for any opinion other than their own because they are always right.
No, the only ones that are a menace on the roads are the ones use the roads dangerously, like an alarming number of Southampton truck drivers.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Why do people feel the need to comment on something they haven't any knowledge off, and as for Ginger_cyclist taring every bus driver with the same brush, when people try that with cyclist he is the first one to throw his toys out of the pram as far as he is concerned unless you have a saddle stuck to your arse and handle bars in your hands you are a menace on the road full stop. And in my humble experience people like that are the worst whether it be cycling or anything else that seem to have a mental block for any opinion other than their own because they are always right.[/p][/quote]No, the only ones that are a menace on the roads are the ones use the roads dangerously, like an alarming number of Southampton truck drivers. Ginger_cyclist

11:34pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Northamboy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist!

Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?
Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel?
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist! Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?[/p][/quote]Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel? Ginger_cyclist

11:37pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

solomum wrote:
Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.
Something I'm sure we can all agree on.
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.[/p][/quote]Something I'm sure we can all agree on. Ginger_cyclist

11:51pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Disaster Area wrote:
As a bus driver out out the area I am disgusted with the pleb on the bike,Bet he doesn't sit on his bike for up to five and half hours at a time ? The worst thing on this planet is having to get past a pleb on a bike driving a bus !!! All I can hope is that the bus driver is OK and fit for duty so he can carry on on earning his meagre wage for avoiding accidents on multiple occasions through the course of his working day
No, the worst thing on this planet is people not overtaking cyclists properly just because they think it's the hardest thing in the world to do, I encounter at most 10 buses in a day when I cycle, normally 9 out of 10 times they perform a perfect overtake and I do thank them when they do, also, if they're indicating to pull out from a bus stop, I will stop and let them, even if cars behind me complain, hell, I've even stopped to let a bus out and some little idiot chav in a little hatch back blasts through almost hitting the bus.
[quote][p][bold]Disaster Area[/bold] wrote: As a bus driver out out the area I am disgusted with the pleb on the bike,Bet he doesn't sit on his bike for up to five and half hours at a time ? The worst thing on this planet is having to get past a pleb on a bike driving a bus !!! All I can hope is that the bus driver is OK and fit for duty so he can carry on on earning his meagre wage for avoiding accidents on multiple occasions through the course of his working day[/p][/quote]No, the worst thing on this planet is people not overtaking cyclists properly just because they think it's the hardest thing in the world to do, I encounter at most 10 buses in a day when I cycle, normally 9 out of 10 times they perform a perfect overtake and I do thank them when they do, also, if they're indicating to pull out from a bus stop, I will stop and let them, even if cars behind me complain, hell, I've even stopped to let a bus out and some little idiot chav in a little hatch back blasts through almost hitting the bus. Ginger_cyclist

11:55pm Sun 7 Oct 12

solomum says...

yellowcard wrote:
solomum wrote:
Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.
it says nothing about the bus being over crowded
The majority of blue star buses are overcrowded. An entire journey from Totton to Lymington was spent standing due to no available seats. Every day the journey to work requires several people to stand as there are no available seats. The frequency of buses has been cut and in the meantime passengers are being put at risk. Imagine car passengers standing up for the entire journey. They would be breaking the law for not wearing a seatbelt, yet it is OK for bus companies to expect paying passengers to stand and risk more serious injury if the bus is involved in an accident. Regardless of whether this particular bus was overcrowded or not, a lot of their buses are.
[quote][p][bold]yellowcard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.[/p][/quote]it says nothing about the bus being over crowded[/p][/quote]The majority of blue star buses are overcrowded. An entire journey from Totton to Lymington was spent standing due to no available seats. Every day the journey to work requires several people to stand as there are no available seats. The frequency of buses has been cut and in the meantime passengers are being put at risk. Imagine car passengers standing up for the entire journey. They would be breaking the law for not wearing a seatbelt, yet it is OK for bus companies to expect paying passengers to stand and risk more serious injury if the bus is involved in an accident. Regardless of whether this particular bus was overcrowded or not, a lot of their buses are. solomum

11:58pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

solomum wrote:
yellowcard wrote:
solomum wrote:
Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.
it says nothing about the bus being over crowded
The majority of blue star buses are overcrowded. An entire journey from Totton to Lymington was spent standing due to no available seats. Every day the journey to work requires several people to stand as there are no available seats. The frequency of buses has been cut and in the meantime passengers are being put at risk. Imagine car passengers standing up for the entire journey. They would be breaking the law for not wearing a seatbelt, yet it is OK for bus companies to expect paying passengers to stand and risk more serious injury if the bus is involved in an accident. Regardless of whether this particular bus was overcrowded or not, a lot of their buses are.
Even the 18 is while one comes along every 7 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowcard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.[/p][/quote]it says nothing about the bus being over crowded[/p][/quote]The majority of blue star buses are overcrowded. An entire journey from Totton to Lymington was spent standing due to no available seats. Every day the journey to work requires several people to stand as there are no available seats. The frequency of buses has been cut and in the meantime passengers are being put at risk. Imagine car passengers standing up for the entire journey. They would be breaking the law for not wearing a seatbelt, yet it is OK for bus companies to expect paying passengers to stand and risk more serious injury if the bus is involved in an accident. Regardless of whether this particular bus was overcrowded or not, a lot of their buses are.[/p][/quote]Even the 18 is while one comes along every 7 minutes. Ginger_cyclist

7:46am Mon 8 Oct 12

Northamboy says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist!

Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?
Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel?
I have never used a mobile while driving. However I agree a little overweight :-)
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist! Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?[/p][/quote]Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel?[/p][/quote]I have never used a mobile while driving. However I agree a little overweight :-) Northamboy

7:57am Mon 8 Oct 12

Northamboy says...

solomum wrote:
yellowcard wrote:
solomum wrote:
Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.
it says nothing about the bus being over crowded
The majority of blue star buses are overcrowded. An entire journey from Totton to Lymington was spent standing due to no available seats. Every day the journey to work requires several people to stand as there are no available seats. The frequency of buses has been cut and in the meantime passengers are being put at risk. Imagine car passengers standing up for the entire journey. They would be breaking the law for not wearing a seatbelt, yet it is OK for bus companies to expect paying passengers to stand and risk more serious injury if the bus is involved in an accident. Regardless of whether this particular bus was overcrowded or not, a lot of their buses are.
As a retired bus driver I totally agree that standing passengers on a bus is dangerous. When a service is known to be a busy one there should be a relief service to run in front or just behind the service bus. This is how it worked back in the days of National bus co but nowadays bus companies is all about profit and is no longer a public service.

Obviously my comment is not about the bus crash in the story as I have no idea if it had standing passengers or not. I just agree about the point you made to standing passengers
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowcard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: Looking at the damage done to the bus is a case for blue star reinstating their scrapped services so that the buses are not overcrowded. Too often I am on a bus where passengers are squashed in, with a large amount standing. If a bus crashes and people are standing, there is potential for serious injuries.[/p][/quote]it says nothing about the bus being over crowded[/p][/quote]The majority of blue star buses are overcrowded. An entire journey from Totton to Lymington was spent standing due to no available seats. Every day the journey to work requires several people to stand as there are no available seats. The frequency of buses has been cut and in the meantime passengers are being put at risk. Imagine car passengers standing up for the entire journey. They would be breaking the law for not wearing a seatbelt, yet it is OK for bus companies to expect paying passengers to stand and risk more serious injury if the bus is involved in an accident. Regardless of whether this particular bus was overcrowded or not, a lot of their buses are.[/p][/quote]As a retired bus driver I totally agree that standing passengers on a bus is dangerous. When a service is known to be a busy one there should be a relief service to run in front or just behind the service bus. This is how it worked back in the days of National bus co but nowadays bus companies is all about profit and is no longer a public service. Obviously my comment is not about the bus crash in the story as I have no idea if it had standing passengers or not. I just agree about the point you made to standing passengers Northamboy

10:51am Mon 8 Oct 12

Hlouise10 says...

I used to get this bus from chandlers ford to Winchester when I was at college and although I don't want to tarnish every bus driver with the same brush, there were many a time when they were driving far too fast for what a double decker should be going (faster than normal car drivers going at 30!) especially when the bus is full with people standing up. So unfortunately, I'm not surprised to hear about a story like this.
I used to get this bus from chandlers ford to Winchester when I was at college and although I don't want to tarnish every bus driver with the same brush, there were many a time when they were driving far too fast for what a double decker should be going (faster than normal car drivers going at 30!) especially when the bus is full with people standing up. So unfortunately, I'm not surprised to hear about a story like this. Hlouise10

11:25am Mon 8 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Northamboy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist!

Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?
Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel?
I have never used a mobile while driving. However I agree a little overweight :-)
Glad to know you don't use a mobile while driving.
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist! Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?[/p][/quote]Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel?[/p][/quote]I have never used a mobile while driving. However I agree a little overweight :-)[/p][/quote]Glad to know you don't use a mobile while driving. Ginger_cyclist

12:05pm Mon 8 Oct 12

100%HANTSBOY says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist!

Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?
Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel?
I have never used a mobile while driving. However I agree a little overweight :-)
Glad to know you don't use a mobile while driving.
Yeah careful Northamboy,Northam is the Ginger Crusaders "Patch. He is often seen riding the Gingemobile with headcam ready to capture any motorist who comes within his imaginery 20 metres exclusion zone,or any other major violations,like not indicating.
Actually,if you're not watching paint drying any time soon,check out his YouTube site "Angry Ginger Cyclist".
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist! Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?[/p][/quote]Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel?[/p][/quote]I have never used a mobile while driving. However I agree a little overweight :-)[/p][/quote]Glad to know you don't use a mobile while driving.[/p][/quote]Yeah careful Northamboy,Northam is the Ginger Crusaders "Patch. He is often seen riding the Gingemobile with headcam ready to capture any motorist who comes within his imaginery 20 metres exclusion zone,or any other major violations,like not indicating. Actually,if you're not watching paint drying any time soon,check out his YouTube site "Angry Ginger Cyclist". 100%HANTSBOY

12:10pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Shoong says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You were there then?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You were there then? Shoong

12:33pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist!

Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?
Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel?
I have never used a mobile while driving. However I agree a little overweight :-)
Glad to know you don't use a mobile while driving.
Yeah careful Northamboy,Northam is the Ginger Crusaders "Patch. He is often seen riding the Gingemobile with headcam ready to capture any motorist who comes within his imaginery 20 metres exclusion zone,or any other major violations,like not indicating.
Actually,if you're not watching paint drying any time soon,check out his YouTube site "Angry Ginger Cyclist".
No, I ride everywhere in Southampton and all I ask for is at least a 2 second gap when following me, to use the other lane to overtake when it's safe to do so, look before swinging car doors open and just treat me as part of the traffic in general.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You can certainly tell the above was written by yet another Lycra man cyclist! Did you think of that whilst undertaking a bus/lorry, jumping a light or just riding on the pavement?[/p][/quote]Lycra? Eww, no thanks, jeans and t-shirt for me and no, I don't undertake buses or trucks, I don't ride on pavements or jump lights, obviously written by another fat lump in a cage, think of all that while eating and using your mobile at the wheel?[/p][/quote]I have never used a mobile while driving. However I agree a little overweight :-)[/p][/quote]Glad to know you don't use a mobile while driving.[/p][/quote]Yeah careful Northamboy,Northam is the Ginger Crusaders "Patch. He is often seen riding the Gingemobile with headcam ready to capture any motorist who comes within his imaginery 20 metres exclusion zone,or any other major violations,like not indicating. Actually,if you're not watching paint drying any time soon,check out his YouTube site "Angry Ginger Cyclist".[/p][/quote]No, I ride everywhere in Southampton and all I ask for is at least a 2 second gap when following me, to use the other lane to overtake when it's safe to do so, look before swinging car doors open and just treat me as part of the traffic in general. Ginger_cyclist

12:34pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Shoong wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You were there then?
No but it would have been helpful to the police if I was as I would then have video evidence.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You were there then?[/p][/quote]No but it would have been helpful to the police if I was as I would then have video evidence. Ginger_cyclist

1:53pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Niel says...

dolomiteman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
All I can say is im glad you are not my insuarnce assessor if you base you facts on what might have happened because you have seen a bus run a red light.
Its not only blue star drivers who run red lights I have seen cyclist do that and also more cyclists using the road without lights and using the pedestrain pavements than I have seen buses without lights or driving on the pavement so on that basis every incident involving a cyclist is their fault (which to be honest it normally is, I know that because I've seen a cyclist)
The BS buses are fitted with cameras!
Camera's that have to be downloaded at the bus garage and sometime's don't work to start with, apparently.
[quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]All I can say is im glad you are not my insuarnce assessor if you base you facts on what might have happened because you have seen a bus run a red light. Its not only blue star drivers who run red lights I have seen cyclist do that and also more cyclists using the road without lights and using the pedestrain pavements than I have seen buses without lights or driving on the pavement so on that basis every incident involving a cyclist is their fault (which to be honest it normally is, I know that because I've seen a cyclist) The BS buses are fitted with cameras![/p][/quote]Camera's that have to be downloaded at the bus garage and sometime's don't work to start with, apparently. Niel

3:02pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Georgem says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You were there then?
No but it would have been helpful to the police if I was as I would then have video evidence.
Your video camera is also a speed camera?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You were there then?[/p][/quote]No but it would have been helpful to the police if I was as I would then have video evidence.[/p][/quote]Your video camera is also a speed camera? Georgem

3:41pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Georgem wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.
You were there then?
No but it would have been helpful to the police if I was as I would then have video evidence.
Your video camera is also a speed camera?
No but all you'd have to do is measure the length of a white line on the road, play the video frame by frame and count how many it takes for a vehicle to pass that line and then do some simple math and you'll get an idea of how fast it was traveling.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Blue star driver was probably speeding, went to overtake a left turning coach that was going to the university campus and probably smashed the rear right corner of the coach, wouldn't surprise me at all if that is what happened, quite often I see blue star drivers run blatant red lights, especially at the lights outside kwik fit by Bitterne Rail station when they head to Thornhill from town.[/p][/quote]You were there then?[/p][/quote]No but it would have been helpful to the police if I was as I would then have video evidence.[/p][/quote]Your video camera is also a speed camera?[/p][/quote]No but all you'd have to do is measure the length of a white line on the road, play the video frame by frame and count how many it takes for a vehicle to pass that line and then do some simple math and you'll get an idea of how fast it was traveling. Ginger_cyclist

8:28am Tue 9 Oct 12

dango says...

Georgem wrote:
dango wrote:
the Echo obviously disagree with my comment Re: a fat journo should have gone there to report, removed again! Freedom of speech, anyone? The Echo like to suppress it.
How are they suppressing free speech? They're not stopping you saying anything, they're just not willing to publish it all for you. Can I post something derogatory about you on your website, that you pay for? Nope, thought not. Stop suppressing my freedom of speech.
tw@t. Don't you realise I haven't got a website? My point is, my comment was removed for no reason.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dango[/bold] wrote: the Echo obviously disagree with my comment Re: a fat journo should have gone there to report, removed again! Freedom of speech, anyone? The Echo like to suppress it.[/p][/quote]How are they suppressing free speech? They're not stopping you saying anything, they're just not willing to publish it all for you. Can I post something derogatory about you on your website, that you pay for? Nope, thought not. Stop suppressing my freedom of speech.[/p][/quote]tw@t. Don't you realise I haven't got a website? My point is, my comment was removed for no reason. dango

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