Liverpool pays back cruise terminal cash

Liverpool pays back cruise terminal cash

Liverpool pays back cruise terminal cash

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Education Reporter

LIVERPOOL has paid back the public cash used to build a terminal the city hopes will allow it to compete with Southampton for lucrative cruise business.

The Merseyside city's mayor today confirmed the £8.8m of taxpayers' money demanded back by the Government has been paid in full.

It comes after criticism from rival ports, including Southampton, that it was unfair Liverpool be able to tout itself as a start and finish point for cruises through its publicly-funded £21m Pier Head terminal.

Port and business leaders, as well as politicians, argued it gave Liverpool an unjustifiable advantage over cities like Southampton, which have developed their docks through private investment.

After a long-running public battle, dubbed “Cruise Wars”, the then-Shipping Minister Mike Penning earlier this year ruled the north-west city must pay back most of the £9.2m Government grant it had received if it wanted Pier Head to be used for “turnaround” cruises as well as “day call” ones.

Liverpool attracted further criticism by launching turnaround cruises immediately after the decision, and without a penny being paid back, but the city's mayor Joe Anderson today said the bill has been settled in full.

He said: “We agreed to abide by the ruling of the independent arbiter and pay the money back, and that is exactly what we have done. As soon as the Government gave us details of how they would like the payment to be made, we arranged for it to be settled promptly.

“The cruise liner terminal is proving to be a huge success and we have had extremely positive feedback from operators and passengers.

“It provides a big boost to our tourism industry - creating and sustaining many jobs.

“Liverpool has an unrivalled maritime history and we are now on the way to restoring our reputation as a leading cruise destination.

“For far too long, holiday makers in the north have had to travel to and from other places to start their journeys, and this is helping to return Liverpool to its rightful place as a major cruise port.”

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10:31am Mon 8 Oct 12

Who's laughing now says...

So please move on and stop the whinging!! Get over it, your crying never stopped nothing LOL.
So please move on and stop the whinging!! Get over it, your crying never stopped nothing LOL. Who's laughing now
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10:35am Mon 8 Oct 12

Lionel P says...

All's well that ends well then, eh?
All's well that ends well then, eh? Lionel P
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10:38am Mon 8 Oct 12

Independent Thought says...

What about the £8.6m of EU funding received? Are Liverpool paying that back as well?
What about the £8.6m of EU funding received? Are Liverpool paying that back as well? Independent Thought
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10:52am Mon 8 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

That's not good the moaners won't have anything to **** about.
That's not good the moaners won't have anything to **** about. OSPREYSAINT
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11:58am Mon 8 Oct 12

tommymacca says...

I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them.

We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now!

Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool

This is great news for the city of Liverpool.

Common sense prevailed (in the end)

Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump!

Have a nice day! :-)
I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them. We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now! Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool This is great news for the city of Liverpool. Common sense prevailed (in the end) Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump! Have a nice day! :-) tommymacca
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12:09pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Shoong says...

tommymacca wrote:
I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them.

We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now!

Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool

This is great news for the city of Liverpool.

Common sense prevailed (in the end)

Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump!

Have a nice day! :-)
Congrats for showing up your mentality, obviously your reputations are well earned.
[quote][p][bold]tommymacca[/bold] wrote: I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them. We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now! Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool This is great news for the city of Liverpool. Common sense prevailed (in the end) Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump! Have a nice day! :-)[/p][/quote]Congrats for showing up your mentality, obviously your reputations are well earned. Shoong
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12:32pm Mon 8 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Get the EU grant matter sorted & let's see who wins in open competition?
What I don't get is this statement?
“It provides a big boost to our tourism industry - creating and sustaining many jobs.
I've read on here time after time what a great tourism trade Liverpool has so how is it that people from the North going on a cruise from the North are going to improve tourism?
Surely if they live in the North & they wanted to see the attractions Liverpool has to offer they'd visit it with out boarding a ship wouldn't they?
Good Luck Any Way.
Get the EU grant matter sorted & let's see who wins in open competition? What I don't get is this statement? “It provides a big boost to our tourism industry - creating and sustaining many jobs. I've read on here time after time what a great tourism trade Liverpool has so how is it that people from the North going on a cruise from the North are going to improve tourism? Surely if they live in the North & they wanted to see the attractions Liverpool has to offer they'd visit it with out boarding a ship wouldn't they? Good Luck Any Way. loosehead
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1:40pm Mon 8 Oct 12

G0Rf says...

Lets hope this gives Southampton City a kick up the *** and does something to draw people to Southampton.

Southampton docks are not a pretty place - its a working container port.

There is nothing in Southampton to draw tourists here.
Lets hope this gives Southampton City a kick up the *** and does something to draw people to Southampton. Southampton docks are not a pretty place - its a working container port. There is nothing in Southampton to draw tourists here. G0Rf
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1:47pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Totton Ric says...

tommymacca wrote:
I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them. We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now! Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool This is great news for the city of Liverpool. Common sense prevailed (in the end) Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump! Have a nice day! :-)
Lol & I wish you all tyhe Bad Luck in the World for the port of Liverpool
[quote][p][bold]tommymacca[/bold] wrote: I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them. We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now! Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool This is great news for the city of Liverpool. Common sense prevailed (in the end) Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump! Have a nice day! :-)[/p][/quote]Lol & I wish you all tyhe Bad Luck in the World for the port of Liverpool Totton Ric
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3:27pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Who's laughing now says...

loosehead wrote:
Get the EU grant matter sorted & let's see who wins in open competition?
What I don't get is this statement?
“It provides a big boost to our tourism industry - creating and sustaining many jobs.
I've read on here time after time what a great tourism trade Liverpool has so how is it that people from the North going on a cruise from the North are going to improve tourism?
Surely if they live in the North & they wanted to see the attractions Liverpool has to offer they'd visit it with out boarding a ship wouldn't they?
Good Luck Any Way.
We're not paying that back, there seems no point, we're due another £450m grant off Europe in 2014 anyway, they can take it out of that LOL.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Get the EU grant matter sorted & let's see who wins in open competition? What I don't get is this statement? “It provides a big boost to our tourism industry - creating and sustaining many jobs. I've read on here time after time what a great tourism trade Liverpool has so how is it that people from the North going on a cruise from the North are going to improve tourism? Surely if they live in the North & they wanted to see the attractions Liverpool has to offer they'd visit it with out boarding a ship wouldn't they? Good Luck Any Way.[/p][/quote]We're not paying that back, there seems no point, we're due another £450m grant off Europe in 2014 anyway, they can take it out of that LOL. Who's laughing now
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3:29pm Mon 8 Oct 12

carlfitz says...

Fair play to Liverpool, can we move on now? thanks.
Fair play to Liverpool, can we move on now? thanks. carlfitz
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6:46pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

Totton Ric wrote:
tommymacca wrote:
I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them. We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now! Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool This is great news for the city of Liverpool. Common sense prevailed (in the end) Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump! Have a nice day! :-)
Lol & I wish you all tyhe Bad Luck in the World for the port of Liverpool
Temper, temper your like a spoilt child, take it like a man or are you indeed a spoilt child ?
[quote][p][bold]Totton Ric[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tommymacca[/bold] wrote: I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them. We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now! Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool This is great news for the city of Liverpool. Common sense prevailed (in the end) Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump! Have a nice day! :-)[/p][/quote]Lol & I wish you all tyhe Bad Luck in the World for the port of Liverpool[/p][/quote]Temper, temper your like a spoilt child, take it like a man or are you indeed a spoilt child ? Proud from LIVERPOOL
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6:50pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

Loosehead said.,.........

You say people from the South visit Liverpool yet you & many other Liverpool posters say the only reason people visit our city from the North is because they have no other choice & you'll offer them that choice?
We are an ancient city we have castle walls & towers we have the place Henry the 5th stayed at we have his ship.we have King Canutes Palace plus the place where he tried stopping the water we ( Hamwic) was the capital of King Alfreds Wessex until it was moved to Winchester we have that ancient city 5 minutes drive we have Portsmouth 5 minutes drive we have the New Forest less than 5 minutes drive & the Isle of Wight.
yes you have a lot to offer but if you look for it so do we so to say we're an ugly city with nothing to do as most of the Liverpool posts on here say is so,so wrong.

....................

...................

I have never said that I regard Southampton as an ugly city, all I said was that your council do nothing to promote your city and that the vast majority of cruise passengers see Southampton purely as a boarding ramp onto a cruise ship.

I know from reading articles in this paper that the vast majority of people from Southampton have very strong opinions regarding the failure of your council to promote and market your city.
Loosehead said.,......... You say people from the South visit Liverpool yet you & many other Liverpool posters say the only reason people visit our city from the North is because they have no other choice & you'll offer them that choice? We are an ancient city we have castle walls & towers we have the place Henry the 5th stayed at we have his ship.we have King Canutes Palace plus the place where he tried stopping the water we ( Hamwic) was the capital of King Alfreds Wessex until it was moved to Winchester we have that ancient city 5 minutes drive we have Portsmouth 5 minutes drive we have the New Forest less than 5 minutes drive & the Isle of Wight. yes you have a lot to offer but if you look for it so do we so to say we're an ugly city with nothing to do as most of the Liverpool posts on here say is so,so wrong. .................... ................... I have never said that I regard Southampton as an ugly city, all I said was that your council do nothing to promote your city and that the vast majority of cruise passengers see Southampton purely as a boarding ramp onto a cruise ship. I know from reading articles in this paper that the vast majority of people from Southampton have very strong opinions regarding the failure of your council to promote and market your city. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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6:59pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ).

Thank you once again.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ). Thank you once again. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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7:33pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ).

Thank you once again.
You can thank and rely on the Echo turning people against their own city and council with their Tory propaganda.
.
And they are chucking inuendo's about Southampton Footbal Club as well ..... Because they fell out a couple of years ago ...... and the Echo just cant move on.
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ). Thank you once again.[/p][/quote]You can thank and rely on the Echo turning people against their own city and council with their Tory propaganda. . And they are chucking inuendo's about Southampton Footbal Club as well ..... Because they fell out a couple of years ago ...... and the Echo just cant move on. Lone Ranger.
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8:59pm Mon 8 Oct 12

IronLady2010 says...

Good on Liverpool, a lovely place with lovely people!

Peace to all xxx
Good on Liverpool, a lovely place with lovely people! Peace to all xxx IronLady2010
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9:27pm Mon 8 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ).

Thank you once again.
You can thank and rely on the Echo turning people against their own city and council with their Tory propaganda.
.
And they are chucking inuendo's about Southampton Footbal Club as well ..... Because they fell out a couple of years ago ...... and the Echo just cant move on.
You really take the biscuit idiot.
I could quite easily say the Echo was a left wing Tory bashing rag when we had a Good council that was using private money to modernise & develop our city & water front.
The amount of pro Union & Labour articles only putting their point of view over in their columns yet I realised the Unions shouted the loudest & Labour said just what gullible fools like you wanted to hear.@00n temps gone 100 permanent Council workers gone good old Labour Well done the Unions.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ). Thank you once again.[/p][/quote]You can thank and rely on the Echo turning people against their own city and council with their Tory propaganda. . And they are chucking inuendo's about Southampton Footbal Club as well ..... Because they fell out a couple of years ago ...... and the Echo just cant move on.[/p][/quote]You really take the biscuit idiot. I could quite easily say the Echo was a left wing Tory bashing rag when we had a Good council that was using private money to modernise & develop our city & water front. The amount of pro Union & Labour articles only putting their point of view over in their columns yet I realised the Unions shouted the loudest & Labour said just what gullible fools like you wanted to hear.@00n temps gone 100 permanent Council workers gone good old Labour Well done the Unions. loosehead
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9:29pm Mon 8 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ).

Thank you once again.
I will give you this .Well done for sticking up for your city we only have people like Lone Ranger to thank for a C++p Labour council
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ). Thank you once again.[/p][/quote]I will give you this .Well done for sticking up for your city we only have people like Lone Ranger to thank for a C++p Labour council loosehead
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9:50pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

loosehead wrote:
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ).

Thank you once again.
I will give you this .Well done for sticking up for your city we only have people like Lone Ranger to thank for a C++p Labour council
I stick up for my city because I am proud of my city , something that some of the posters on this site will never understand.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ). Thank you once again.[/p][/quote]I will give you this .Well done for sticking up for your city we only have people like Lone Ranger to thank for a C++p Labour council[/p][/quote]I stick up for my city because I am proud of my city , something that some of the posters on this site will never understand. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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9:50pm Mon 8 Oct 12

arizonan says...

So Liverpool is paying the bulk of the grant to improve Motorways and A roads in Hampshire, announced at the Conservative Party conference!.
So Liverpool is paying the bulk of the grant to improve Motorways and A roads in Hampshire, announced at the Conservative Party conference!. arizonan
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6:40am Tue 9 Oct 12

loosehead says...

arizonan wrote:
So Liverpool is paying the bulk of the grant to improve Motorways and A roads in Hampshire, announced at the Conservative Party conference!.
If you listened this is happening all over the country to stop bottleknecks or did you go deaf when that was said?
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: So Liverpool is paying the bulk of the grant to improve Motorways and A roads in Hampshire, announced at the Conservative Party conference!.[/p][/quote]If you listened this is happening all over the country to stop bottleknecks or did you go deaf when that was said? loosehead
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7:03am Tue 9 Oct 12

aldermoorboy says...

Good luck Liverpool there is enough cruise business for both cities to do well.
As a Saints supporter, I think we should learn from Liverpool/ Everton on how Pompey/Saints relationships should be, friendly and fun.
Liverpool supporters off the Queen Elizabeth took me to Liverpool to watch Saints win 1-0 in 1960, we only had one shot and George O Brien scored. I was the only Saints support there and out shouted the Kop.
Thanks for the memories Liverpool, a great football city and great city too.
Good luck Liverpool there is enough cruise business for both cities to do well. As a Saints supporter, I think we should learn from Liverpool/ Everton on how Pompey/Saints relationships should be, friendly and fun. Liverpool supporters off the Queen Elizabeth took me to Liverpool to watch Saints win 1-0 in 1960, we only had one shot and George O Brien scored. I was the only Saints support there and out shouted the Kop. Thanks for the memories Liverpool, a great football city and great city too. aldermoorboy
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9:27am Tue 9 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ).

Thank you once again.
You can thank and rely on the Echo turning people against their own city and council with their Tory propaganda.
.
And they are chucking inuendo's about Southampton Footbal Club as well ..... Because they fell out a couple of years ago ...... and the Echo just cant move on.
You really take the biscuit idiot.
I could quite easily say the Echo was a left wing Tory bashing rag when we had a Good council that was using private money to modernise & develop our city & water front.
The amount of pro Union & Labour articles only putting their point of view over in their columns yet I realised the Unions shouted the loudest & Labour said just what gullible fools like you wanted to hear.@00n temps gone 100 permanent Council workers gone good old Labour Well done the Unions.
I will never argue with an idiot .......
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Southern Daily Echo for once again presenting a beautiful publicity photograph showing the splendour of Liverpool's cruise terminals location ( to the right just out of shot are the beautiful world famous 3 graces ). Thank you once again.[/p][/quote]You can thank and rely on the Echo turning people against their own city and council with their Tory propaganda. . And they are chucking inuendo's about Southampton Footbal Club as well ..... Because they fell out a couple of years ago ...... and the Echo just cant move on.[/p][/quote]You really take the biscuit idiot. I could quite easily say the Echo was a left wing Tory bashing rag when we had a Good council that was using private money to modernise & develop our city & water front. The amount of pro Union & Labour articles only putting their point of view over in their columns yet I realised the Unions shouted the loudest & Labour said just what gullible fools like you wanted to hear.@00n temps gone 100 permanent Council workers gone good old Labour Well done the Unions.[/p][/quote]I will never argue with an idiot ....... Lone Ranger.
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10:11am Tue 9 Oct 12

aldermoorboy says...

Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.
Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then. aldermoorboy
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10:16am Tue 9 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.
Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.[/p][/quote]Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own Lone Ranger.
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11:41am Tue 9 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.
Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own
When will you use your brain & see the damage your beloved Labour Party are doing?
I could quite easily resolve to calling you names but what's the point?
Why call some one so blind names?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.[/p][/quote]Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own[/p][/quote]When will you use your brain & see the damage your beloved Labour Party are doing? I could quite easily resolve to calling you names but what's the point? Why call some one so blind names? loosehead
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12:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Martin Titaniconian says...

tommymacca wrote:
I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them.

We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now!

Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool

This is great news for the city of Liverpool.

Common sense prevailed (in the end)

Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump!

Have a nice day! :-)
Liverpool is also a dump when you have cleared the cruise terminal you have all the scap metal on the queside as I saw when I was on Queen Elizibeth early this year at least Southampton has threre scrap at the far end of the port near the container terminal, and you will get scrap metal and containers in all ports.
Most Americans will not start from Liverpool its just because all the people who do cruises cannot be bothered traveling down if you can aford a cruise you can afford traveling down to Southampton but I hope that cruises that start in Southampton and call in Liverpool you will be able to join like they do in Edinburgh.
[quote][p][bold]tommymacca[/bold] wrote: I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them. We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now! Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool This is great news for the city of Liverpool. Common sense prevailed (in the end) Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump! Have a nice day! :-)[/p][/quote]Liverpool is also a dump when you have cleared the cruise terminal you have all the scap metal on the queside as I saw when I was on Queen Elizibeth early this year at least Southampton has threre scrap at the far end of the port near the container terminal, and you will get scrap metal and containers in all ports. Most Americans will not start from Liverpool its just because all the people who do cruises cannot be bothered traveling down if you can aford a cruise you can afford traveling down to Southampton but I hope that cruises that start in Southampton and call in Liverpool you will be able to join like they do in Edinburgh. Martin Titaniconian
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1:52pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.
Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own
When will you use your brain & see the damage your beloved Labour Party are doing?
I could quite easily resolve to calling you names but what's the point?
Why call some one so blind names?
You did ....... perhaps you should proof read your own posts before you send
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.[/p][/quote]Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own[/p][/quote]When will you use your brain & see the damage your beloved Labour Party are doing? I could quite easily resolve to calling you names but what's the point? Why call some one so blind names?[/p][/quote]You did ....... perhaps you should proof read your own posts before you send Lone Ranger.
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9:18pm Tue 9 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.
Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own
When will you use your brain & see the damage your beloved Labour Party are doing?
I could quite easily resolve to calling you names but what's the point?
Why call some one so blind names?
You did ....... perhaps you should proof read your own posts before you send
So you can't even see sarcasm so what chance the truth?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.[/p][/quote]Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own[/p][/quote]When will you use your brain & see the damage your beloved Labour Party are doing? I could quite easily resolve to calling you names but what's the point? Why call some one so blind names?[/p][/quote]You did ....... perhaps you should proof read your own posts before you send[/p][/quote]So you can't even see sarcasm so what chance the truth? loosehead
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9:19pm Tue 9 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.
Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own
When will you use your brain & see the damage your beloved Labour Party are doing?
I could quite easily resolve to calling you names but what's the point?
Why call some one so blind names?
You did ....... perhaps you should proof read your own posts before you send
Unions calling for meetings to vote on strike action?
Is this the Tories fault or is it Labour that's putting it's workforce out of work?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone ranger, never pick an arguement with yourself then.[/p][/quote]Hilarious ........... You and **** really do post some trash ....... Each to their own[/p][/quote]When will you use your brain & see the damage your beloved Labour Party are doing? I could quite easily resolve to calling you names but what's the point? Why call some one so blind names?[/p][/quote]You did ....... perhaps you should proof read your own posts before you send[/p][/quote]Unions calling for meetings to vote on strike action? Is this the Tories fault or is it Labour that's putting it's workforce out of work? loosehead
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9:13am Thu 11 Oct 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

I thought your readers might be interested in the following developments........
.......


FIVE star cruising will come to Liverpool for the first time next year, bucking the recession and giving a huge boost to the visitor economy.

The 91,000 gross ton Celebrity Infinity will make her maiden call at Liverpool Cruise Terminal next May 1 on the first of four round-Britain cruises from Harwich.

But it is the 2,170-passenger liner’s final visit on September 1, 2013, which is the crucial call for both the public and the city’s economy.

This will be the first time a round- UK voyage, which features Liverpool as a key destination, will allow passengers to embark and disembark.

It is the next big quantum leap Liverpool has been seeking since the initial revival of turnaround (ie starting and ending) cruises on May 29 by m/v Ocean Countess after exactly 30 years.

Judith Feather, Liverpool council’s divisional manager of events and cultural infrastructure, said: “We’re going to raise our game.

“Staying as a three star-rated cruise liner port is not our ambition.

“Bringing in five star-rated liners like Celebrity Infinity is the way we’re trying to go, but we have to get the operation right.

“There are steps in place to make sure that will happen. This is a small, competitive industry and we must get what we do right all the time for these people.”

Stuart Wood, former chief Liverpool Pilot and maritime commentator, said: “The brilliant idea of splitting Celebrity Infinity’s round-UK cruise will show other operators the turnaround benefits of Liverpool.

“While Liverpool won’t reach the 85% cruise market share of Southampton, why not attract five star business on a ‘small is best’ principle?”

Ms Feather added: “Overall, we want a real mix of cruises on offer, from three star ships to the top.

“Starting turnaround cruises was a big challenge which turned into a success. To confirm our new place we must take it slowly, step by step.”

The six-member Cruise Terminal steering group will complete a report for the city council by October 15, to be presented a few weeks later.

It will be a series of recommendations to take the terminal forward over the next three to five years.

Ms Feather said: “Questions to be addressed include how many ships and what size can we cope with?”

Landside, the terminal is on the private Peel Holdings estate with limited space to expand.

But Peel Ports Mersey boss Gary Hodgson and another senior manager are on the steering group.

Stephen Carr, Peel Ports Mersey head of business development, said: “We welcome any move which will add to the Mersey’s offering as a multifaceted maritime hub.

“The development of the cruise liner terminal is an exciting opportunity for us all.”

The present temporary tent check- in, baggage-handling and customs facility is one year through its three year life. It can only comfortably handle up to 1,200 passengers and so is inadequate for the increasing numbers of 2,000-3,000 passenger ships.

Cllr Wendy Simon, Liverpool’s cabinet member for culture and tourism, said: “We do need to look at upgrading the terminal and future development.

Cllr Simon added: “Paying back the £8.8m government grant for the terminal in one sum saves money and sends out the right message to cruise operators.

“We’re talking to the lines, but it takes time as schedules are prepared about two years in advance.”

Liverpool can draw on a huge cruise market hinterland, stretching from the north Midlands to southern Scotland, as it once did when ocean liner travel was the norm.

It is this vast potential which doubtless spooks rivals, provoking such hysteria from Southampton.

During this cruise season (April-September) the terminal welcomed 30 liners with around 37,000 passengers and more than 15,000 crew.

There were 19 transit (ie visiting) ships and 11 turnaround sailings.

Depending on how it is estimated, the spend of cruise passengers in local economy ranged from £1m to £3.3m for the 2012 season.

Next year there will 38 cruise ship visits carrying 43,000 passengers and 13,500 crew with another four provisionally booked, taking the total to 42 ships and 50,000 passengers.

Of these ships, 13 will be turnaround cruises. The highly popular Fred Olsen Cruise Lines will return with 10 sailings by m/v Boudicca.

Olsen’s pulled out of Liverpool two years ago due to its dissatisfaction with Langton Dock Cruise Terminal in Bootle, but is happy to operate from the new Pier Head terminal.

The first cruise and hotel stay holidays are being launched next year. More waterfront events are planned to coincide with liner visits.

Ian Higby, chairman of Mersey Maritime, an association of local maritime-related businesses and Atlantic Container Lines boss, said: “The benefits of the cruise terminal in the future will be tremendous.

“The underlying theme for me is work. The more ships we have coming into the river the more work that there is to be done.

“The whole process starts with the voyage, the pilots, tugs, docking, victualling, disposing waste, baggage handling, passenger moving and spending.

“If a ship is based here there is even more work for more suppliers like ship-repairing. Ships are work and work is money for everyone.”

“Our ultimate aim is a world class facility, but we needed to get the turnaround cruises running to see if we could manage the extra capacity.

“We have listened to the experts about developing the service as this is a very competitive market”

Liverpool this week paid back the £8.8m government grant initially used to build the terminal to comply with state-aid rules.
I thought your readers might be interested in the following developments........ ....... FIVE star cruising will come to Liverpool for the first time next year, bucking the recession and giving a huge boost to the visitor economy. The 91,000 gross ton Celebrity Infinity will make her maiden call at Liverpool Cruise Terminal next May 1 on the first of four round-Britain cruises from Harwich. But it is the 2,170-passenger liner’s final visit on September 1, 2013, which is the crucial call for both the public and the city’s economy. This will be the first time a round- UK voyage, which features Liverpool as a key destination, will allow passengers to embark and disembark. It is the next big quantum leap Liverpool has been seeking since the initial revival of turnaround (ie starting and ending) cruises on May 29 by m/v Ocean Countess after exactly 30 years. Judith Feather, Liverpool council’s divisional manager of events and cultural infrastructure, said: “We’re going to raise our game. “Staying as a three star-rated cruise liner port is not our ambition. “Bringing in five star-rated liners like Celebrity Infinity is the way we’re trying to go, but we have to get the operation right. “There are steps in place to make sure that will happen. This is a small, competitive industry and we must get what we do right all the time for these people.” Stuart Wood, former chief Liverpool Pilot and maritime commentator, said: “The brilliant idea of splitting Celebrity Infinity’s round-UK cruise will show other operators the turnaround benefits of Liverpool. “While Liverpool won’t reach the 85% cruise market share of Southampton, why not attract five star business on a ‘small is best’ principle?” Ms Feather added: “Overall, we want a real mix of cruises on offer, from three star ships to the top. “Starting turnaround cruises was a big challenge which turned into a success. To confirm our new place we must take it slowly, step by step.” The six-member Cruise Terminal steering group will complete a report for the city council by October 15, to be presented a few weeks later. It will be a series of recommendations to take the terminal forward over the next three to five years. Ms Feather said: “Questions to be addressed include how many ships and what size can we cope with?” Landside, the terminal is on the private Peel Holdings estate with limited space to expand. But Peel Ports Mersey boss Gary Hodgson and another senior manager are on the steering group. Stephen Carr, Peel Ports Mersey head of business development, said: “We welcome any move which will add to the Mersey’s offering as a multifaceted maritime hub. “The development of the cruise liner terminal is an exciting opportunity for us all.” The present temporary tent check- in, baggage-handling and customs facility is one year through its three year life. It can only comfortably handle up to 1,200 passengers and so is inadequate for the increasing numbers of 2,000-3,000 passenger ships. Cllr Wendy Simon, Liverpool’s cabinet member for culture and tourism, said: “We do need to look at upgrading the terminal and future development. Cllr Simon added: “Paying back the £8.8m government grant for the terminal in one sum saves money and sends out the right message to cruise operators. “We’re talking to the lines, but it takes time as schedules are prepared about two years in advance.” Liverpool can draw on a huge cruise market hinterland, stretching from the north Midlands to southern Scotland, as it once did when ocean liner travel was the norm. It is this vast potential which doubtless spooks rivals, provoking such hysteria from Southampton. During this cruise season (April-September) the terminal welcomed 30 liners with around 37,000 passengers and more than 15,000 crew. There were 19 transit (ie visiting) ships and 11 turnaround sailings. Depending on how it is estimated, the spend of cruise passengers in local economy ranged from £1m to £3.3m for the 2012 season. Next year there will 38 cruise ship visits carrying 43,000 passengers and 13,500 crew with another four provisionally booked, taking the total to 42 ships and 50,000 passengers. Of these ships, 13 will be turnaround cruises. The highly popular Fred Olsen Cruise Lines will return with 10 sailings by m/v Boudicca. Olsen’s pulled out of Liverpool two years ago due to its dissatisfaction with Langton Dock Cruise Terminal in Bootle, but is happy to operate from the new Pier Head terminal. The first cruise and hotel stay holidays are being launched next year. More waterfront events are planned to coincide with liner visits. Ian Higby, chairman of Mersey Maritime, an association of local maritime-related businesses and Atlantic Container Lines boss, said: “The benefits of the cruise terminal in the future will be tremendous. “The underlying theme for me is work. The more ships we have coming into the river the more work that there is to be done. “The whole process starts with the voyage, the pilots, tugs, docking, victualling, disposing waste, baggage handling, passenger moving and spending. “If a ship is based here there is even more work for more suppliers like ship-repairing. Ships are work and work is money for everyone.” “Our ultimate aim is a world class facility, but we needed to get the turnaround cruises running to see if we could manage the extra capacity. “We have listened to the experts about developing the service as this is a very competitive market” Liverpool this week paid back the £8.8m government grant initially used to build the terminal to comply with state-aid rules. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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10:51am Thu 11 Oct 12

AlwynM says...

I have just read that article, it's exciting seeing the numbers grow.

I think after all is said and done, adding the Liverpool Cruise Terminal will only enhance what the cruse market is already offering.

Liverpool is still growing as a cruise and tourist destination and has tons of stuff to offer, why not use this to grow the cruise market, it would be silly not to.

I wish all the best for Southampton and I hope the powers that be can ramp up the development of the city's attractions and shout about them loudly.

All the best everyone.
I have just read that article, it's exciting seeing the numbers grow. I think after all is said and done, adding the Liverpool Cruise Terminal will only enhance what the cruse market is already offering. Liverpool is still growing as a cruise and tourist destination and has tons of stuff to offer, why not use this to grow the cruise market, it would be silly not to. I wish all the best for Southampton and I hope the powers that be can ramp up the development of the city's attractions and shout about them loudly. All the best everyone. AlwynM
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4:10pm Fri 12 Oct 12

Tom Liverpool says...

Martin Titaniconian wrote:
tommymacca wrote:
I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them.

We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now!

Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool

This is great news for the city of Liverpool.

Common sense prevailed (in the end)

Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump!

Have a nice day! :-)
Liverpool is also a dump when you have cleared the cruise terminal you have all the scap metal on the queside as I saw when I was on Queen Elizibeth early this year at least Southampton has threre scrap at the far end of the port near the container terminal, and you will get scrap metal and containers in all ports.
Most Americans will not start from Liverpool its just because all the people who do cruises cannot be bothered traveling down if you can aford a cruise you can afford traveling down to Southampton but I hope that cruises that start in Southampton and call in Liverpool you will be able to join like they do in Edinburgh.
Where in heavans name did you see scrap metal near to the New Cruise Liner Terminal, its at least 1.5 miles away and contained within the confines of the Langton Dock area.It makes me think you have never been in Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]Martin Titaniconian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tommymacca[/bold] wrote: I am so happy that Liverpool Council paid back the money ALL the money "loaned" and "granted" to them. We now have a 100% legit cruise liner terminal now! Everyone from the north of England (and probably the Midlands too ) will sail from beautiful port of Liverpool This is great news for the city of Liverpool. Common sense prevailed (in the end) Sorry Southampton, No hard feeling hey! But lets be honest your docks are a dump! Have a nice day! :-)[/p][/quote]Liverpool is also a dump when you have cleared the cruise terminal you have all the scap metal on the queside as I saw when I was on Queen Elizibeth early this year at least Southampton has threre scrap at the far end of the port near the container terminal, and you will get scrap metal and containers in all ports. Most Americans will not start from Liverpool its just because all the people who do cruises cannot be bothered traveling down if you can aford a cruise you can afford traveling down to Southampton but I hope that cruises that start in Southampton and call in Liverpool you will be able to join like they do in Edinburgh.[/p][/quote]Where in heavans name did you see scrap metal near to the New Cruise Liner Terminal, its at least 1.5 miles away and contained within the confines of the Langton Dock area.It makes me think you have never been in Liverpool. Tom Liverpool
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8:01pm Mon 22 Oct 12

ronn12 says...

You are confusing the point, it is not necessary for potential cruisers living (say) south of mid-English to southern counties of England to travel north to Liverpool, they have the cosy cartel-run port of Southampton.

Liverpool is the most logical port of departure not only for 'northerners,' by which I assume means residents of northern English regions, but also for residents living in north Wales, (including the Isle of Anglesey) Ireland, the Isle of Man and Scotland.

For generations, Liverpool (and Birkenhead) were/are Britain's main port for worldwide trading, and in fact still are major ports for both imports and exports from a western approach, and far beyond, though lack the assumed glamour and high profile of her southern counterpart.

The persistent whinge from the 'Southern Comfort' zone, was the contentious 'grant,' or 'protection money' award, which was intended to keep Liverpool 'in its place' as a northern backwater and to protect the financial interests of the port of Southampton.

Is it beginning to sound like a 1920's gangster movie of prohibition and protectionism?

It is unfair that the 'controlling families' of the port of Southampton, should dominate and monopolise a sole UK
turn- around facility to the detriment of fair competition from other venues.

The Sword of Damacles, (the UK grant) that threatened to impale Liverpool's survival, has been repaid.

Shylock's pound of flesh, (the European grant) has not yet been repaid, partly because the EU (mal) administration are inept at agreeing solutions to their own created problems, and because we have probably contributed many times the value of any grant received, into the EU 'slush-fund' managed by Frau Merkel, 'darling of the Greeks' ???

But I feel sure that the EU 'pound of flesh' repayment, will continue as a major bargaining chip by jealous operators, with vested interests, of the port of Southampton, to justify their monopoly, but more essentially, in an effort to avert competition by depriving the port of Liverpool's rightful inheritance as a world renowned major maritime port.

I welcome the astuteness of Liverpool Corporation in overcoming impediments to renewing its traditional role in Britain's list of major maritime infrastructure, and also to acknowledge the fact that intellect is not concentrated in any particular region of the United Kingdom.

But that's only my personal opinion.
You are confusing the point, it is not necessary for potential cruisers living (say) south of mid-English to southern counties of England to travel north to Liverpool, they have the cosy cartel-run port of Southampton. Liverpool is the most logical port of departure not only for 'northerners,' by which I assume means residents of northern English regions, but also for residents living in north Wales, (including the Isle of Anglesey) Ireland, the Isle of Man and Scotland. For generations, Liverpool (and Birkenhead) were/are Britain's main port for worldwide trading, and in fact still are major ports for both imports and exports from a western approach, and far beyond, though lack the assumed glamour and high profile of her southern counterpart. The persistent whinge from the 'Southern Comfort' zone, was the contentious 'grant,' or 'protection money' award, which was intended to keep Liverpool 'in its place' as a northern backwater and to protect the financial interests of the port of Southampton. Is it beginning to sound like a 1920's gangster movie of prohibition and protectionism? It is unfair that the 'controlling families' of the port of Southampton, should dominate and monopolise a sole UK turn- around facility to the detriment of fair competition from other venues. The Sword of Damacles, (the UK grant) that threatened to impale Liverpool's survival, has been repaid. Shylock's pound of flesh, (the European grant) has not yet been repaid, partly because the EU (mal) administration are inept at agreeing solutions to their own created problems, and because we have probably contributed many times the value of any grant received, into the EU 'slush-fund' managed by Frau Merkel, 'darling of the Greeks' ??? But I feel sure that the EU 'pound of flesh' repayment, will continue as a major bargaining chip by jealous operators, with vested interests, of the port of Southampton, to justify their monopoly, but more essentially, in an effort to avert competition by depriving the port of Liverpool's rightful inheritance as a world renowned major maritime port. I welcome the astuteness of Liverpool Corporation in overcoming impediments to renewing its traditional role in Britain's list of major maritime infrastructure, and also to acknowledge the fact that intellect is not concentrated in any particular region of the United Kingdom. But that's only my personal opinion. ronn12
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2:28pm Tue 30 Oct 12

AlwynM says...

http://www.mirror.co
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http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/liv erpool-one-of-the-sa fest-cities-to-live- 1401463 AlwynM
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7:19pm Tue 30 Oct 12

ronn12 says...

Liverpool is now one of the safest cities to live in.

After decades of gags about Scouse scallies, figures show that London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield all have more burglaries and car crimes per person.

Among big cities in England only Newcastle is safer, according to the UK Statistics Authority.

The figures, disclosed by the government in response to a Parliamentary Question by Tory MP Philip Hollobone, show offences across all of England’s police forces.

They reveal that violent attacks are also twice as common in London than in the area patrolled by Merseyside police.

Geordies, Mancunians and Brumies are also much less likely to be assaulted than those living the capital.

Overall, just 10 people in a thousand on Merseyside were burgled in 2011/12, with six in a thousand the victim of car crime.

Londoners are 20% more likely to be burgled - and more then twice as likely to suffer from motor offences.

Greater Manchester also suffers 20% higher rates of burglary than in the Liverpool area - and a third higher reported “offences against vehicles”.

West Midlands Police, covering England’s second city Birmingham, also reports higher levels of burglary and car crime than Liverpool - with 10% more home break-ins per person and 50% more car crime.

West Yorkshire and South Yorkshire Police, covering Leeds and Sheffield, also suffer in comparison to Merseyside.

In West Yorkshire 13 people in a thousand suffer burglaries - 30% higher than in the Liverpool area.

South Yorkshire residents meanwhile are 50% more likely to be broken into. Car crime in both areas is also higher.
Liverpool is now one of the safest cities to live in. After decades of gags about Scouse scallies, figures show that London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield all have more burglaries and car crimes per person. Among big cities in England only Newcastle is safer, according to the UK Statistics Authority. The figures, disclosed by the government in response to a Parliamentary Question by Tory MP Philip Hollobone, show offences across all of England’s police forces. They reveal that violent attacks are also twice as common in London than in the area patrolled by Merseyside police. Geordies, Mancunians and Brumies are also much less likely to be assaulted than those living the capital. Overall, just 10 people in a thousand on Merseyside were burgled in 2011/12, with six in a thousand the victim of car crime. Londoners are 20% more likely to be burgled - and more then twice as likely to suffer from motor offences. Greater Manchester also suffers 20% higher rates of burglary than in the Liverpool area - and a third higher reported “offences against vehicles”. West Midlands Police, covering England’s second city Birmingham, also reports higher levels of burglary and car crime than Liverpool - with 10% more home break-ins per person and 50% more car crime. West Yorkshire and South Yorkshire Police, covering Leeds and Sheffield, also suffer in comparison to Merseyside. In West Yorkshire 13 people in a thousand suffer burglaries - 30% higher than in the Liverpool area. South Yorkshire residents meanwhile are 50% more likely to be broken into. Car crime in both areas is also higher. ronn12
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