Hampshire man home after spending 18 years inside Thailand's Bangkwang Central Prison in Bangkok

Daily Echo: Jonathan Wheeler Jonathan Wheeler

INCARCERATED in a foreign land for the best part of two decades, the world has changed since Jonathan Wheeler was last in his hometown.

Struggling to work his first ever mobile phone, he can’t get over how cold it is and is becoming used to flushing toilets again.

He is also having to rebuild his relationship with the daughter he has not seen for 18 years.

Still astonished that the smoking ban has been introduced, as he sits in a pub just up the road from where he is staying in Holbury, the reality of adapting to life back in the UK is slowly sinking in.

“Technology has been the biggest shock for me,” says the 51-year-old.

“When I was last here, a fax machine was the newest thing around.

“I’ve never even sent an email and have come back and been told that you can become your own character in a computer game.

“The friends that I have seen since I’ve been home are grey-haired now and I can’t believe the price of things. It’s been such a long time.”

What started as a dream trip to paradise, turned into an 18-year, three-month and six-day (Jonathan knows the figure off by heart) nightmare.

Leaving Holbury in 1993, the former-roofer went in search of a new life in Thailand. A martial arts enthusiast, he found paid work competing in Thai boxing fights.

But when he got into financial difficulties, a reckless decision – made of his “own free will” – to agree to smuggle drugs for a payment of a few thousand pounds ended in disaster.

“That money would have taken me up a couple of levels,” he says. “I just wanted a little restaurant up a mountain with the jungle behind it. It was a small dream but it would have been good.”

But on May 10, 1994, police arrested the then 33-year-old at an airport in Bangkok as he tried to board a plane to Taiwan.

They found 4lb of heroin, then valued at more than £1m, hidden inside a holdall he was carrying.

Sentenced to 50 years, he started his true life sentence in the notorious Bangkwang Central Prison, ironically dubbed the “Bangkok Hilton” by expat prisoners.

Infamous for its appalling conditions, it was thoughts of home that kept Jonathan going over the long years that followed.

“I dreamt of being back in the New Forest, surrounded by people and things that I knew – my family, friends, bait-digging, riding my motorbike and practising karate. I used to think of places like Hill Top at Beaulieu or being on Calshot beach with my fishing rod – simple things. The culture was so different there.”

It was an amnesty granted on the Queen of Thailand’s 80th birthday on August 12 this year that finally set Jonathan free.

With one-ninth of his sentence knocked off, it was the seventh of such reductions that he had received over the years and was at last enough to secure his release. While he knew that such a result was likely, the news was confirmed to him via a loud speaker announcement blasted out across the prison.

After leaving prison, Jonathan spent several weeks wading through red tape before he could leave Thailand, touching down at Heathrow on September 9.

Breathing a sigh of relief, he was a free man at last.

Arriving in Holbury a few days later, he was reunited with his family.

He has a lot of catching up to do, not least with his daughter, now 21, whom he had last seen when she was just two-and-a-half years old.

They have already met up in Southampton, where she lives, and Jonathan was introduced to his one-year-old grand-daughter.

“I recognised my daughter instantly,” says Jonathan. “It was brilliant to see them both and it felt good. I’m hoping to be part of their life from now on.”

Always holding his hands up to his crime, Jonathan accepted he needed to be punished.

But as Thailand attempted to clamp down on its drug trade, the sentences that were handed out there to opportunist carriers like Jonathan were harsh.

It meant that he was given almost four times the average sentence of a convicted murderer in Britain.

“I was a first-time offender in there for 18 years for carrying a bag of heroin, but there was a Thai man there who got out after 11 years for shooting his wife, chopping her up into pieces and keeping parts of her in the fridge. Life is so cheap there that drug sentences are worse than murder.”

Daily Echo: Bangkwang Prison. Photo by Rex Features

In a high security prison which handles death row and long-sentence prisoners, Jonathan shared a small cell with around 17 other men.

Sleeping on the floor, it was riddled with cockroaches and bugs.

Drugs and violence are rife and decent food and clean water are only available if you can pay. Similarly medical treatment is limited.

Everything inside has a price, and prisoners – who have to cook for themselves – depend on cash gifts from the outside to buy their daily provisions. Beneath an electric fence and guard towers, Jonathan says inmates are allowed outside into a small compound from 6.30am to just after 3pm every day. Here he would teach and practise karate.

The darkest moments for him came during two spells in solitary confinement for rule breaking, where he spent hour upon hour staring at cockroaches in a tiny 5ft by 7ft hellhole.

During one of the spells (both of which lasted for several months), Jonathan covered himself in toothpaste because he knew that it would result in an outbreak of blisters, which would earn him a few days in the hospital wing, complete with a bed.

Befriending a Chinese master in Qigong – an extreme form of meditation – inside, Jonathan studied it for 12 years. Practising for up to three hours a day, it helped him to escape the daily grind.

“It’s all about the power of the mind. It’s about not thinking about anything, you go within yourself.”

His friend also taught him acupuncture and Jonathan – who could speak a little Thai– was able to keep up with world events via the TV in his mass cell.

He did see conditions improve during his time at the dreaded jail.

“When Tony Blair went into his second term, we got white rice instead of red rice with stones, and the curry got a little bit better,” he explains.

“We had satellite TV channels for around the last decade, and then seven or eight years ago, instead of washing in dirty river water, we could shower in chlorinated water.”

For the first few years he was locked up, Jonathan says friends and family visited him from the UK.

And then there were other people he could talk to. Prison visits in Thailand have become part of the tourist trail, with foreigners often paying to be escorted around.

They have become known as “banana visits” by prisoners because it makes them feel like monkeys in a cage. It was during one of these visits in 1999 that Jonathan says he got talking to an English teacher who was working in Thailand, as they were able to shout to one another between the bars. He said they fell in love and she continued to visit him. After she left the country Jonathan says they communicated via letter until 2003 when contact ceased. After four years inside, the former Hardley School pupil was eligible to transfer to a British prison.

But he chose to stay in Bangkwang despite the dreadful conditions because British law states that all prisoners must serve half their remaining sentence upon their return. Given the draconian nature of sentences imposed in Thailand, this can often mean an incredibly long stretch.

Meanwhile, US and Australian prisoners are put on parole almost immediately when they transfer back home.

In Thailand Jonathan knew that there was always the chance – however slim – of early release.

A royal pardon can be applied for through official channels, it’s a lengthy and expensive process and Jonathan was devastated when his application was unsuccessful ten years ago. Instead he had to rely on the occasional amnesties for prisoners on the King’s birthday, December 5, or the Queen’s birthday, to reduce his sentence.

However long he was going to have to wait, Jonathan still preferred to stay in Thailand because prisoners are allowed outside for most of the day. “Also, if I had transferred to Britain after four years, I would have had to serve 23 years here.

“I would have come back with more years than some serial killers. The system is completely flawed.”

Now living in Holbury to be near family, Jonathan is keen to make contact with his old friends – and start his life all over again.

“I just want to work again and try to earn some money legally. It’s brilliant waking up here in the morning.

I finally feel secure because this is where I’m from.”

 

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11:41am Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

heroin is a death sentence for some. 18 years is better than the death he was trying to dish out. good luck to the guy......
heroin is a death sentence for some. 18 years is better than the death he was trying to dish out. good luck to the guy...... MGRA

11:44am Tue 9 Oct 12

Shoong says...

Are we supposed to feel sorry for him?
Are we supposed to feel sorry for him? Shoong

11:53am Tue 9 Oct 12

saintnick777 says...

Sad waste of life... drugs are bad m'kay!
Sad waste of life... drugs are bad m'kay! saintnick777

11:59am Tue 9 Oct 12

saintnick777 says...

I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.
I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag. saintnick777

12:00pm Tue 9 Oct 12

LossOfLibertyNotLife says...

You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights.

There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely.

Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country. LossOfLibertyNotLife

12:02pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

saintnick777 wrote:
I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.
How dare he do anything, eh. Look at him, showing off with his clothes! I bet he's even got matching shoes. Disgusting. He should be eating cold mud, naked, in a gutter, right?
[quote][p][bold]saintnick777[/bold] wrote: I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.[/p][/quote]How dare he do anything, eh. Look at him, showing off with his clothes! I bet he's even got matching shoes. Disgusting. He should be eating cold mud, naked, in a gutter, right? Georgem

12:02pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

He has got matching shoes! What a sponger! etc
He has got matching shoes! What a sponger! etc Georgem

12:04pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote:
You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights.

There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely.

Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
[quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever. Georgem

12:07pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Dasal says...

Shoong wrote:
Are we supposed to feel sorry for him?
Not the sensible amongst us.
But....Theres always a few isn,t there??
Will probably get a few quid for his "heart rending" story, tho'
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Are we supposed to feel sorry for him?[/p][/quote]Not the sensible amongst us. But....Theres always a few isn,t there?? Will probably get a few quid for his "heart rending" story, tho' Dasal

12:09pm Tue 9 Oct 12

ToastyTea says...

Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it.
Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it. ToastyTea

12:13pm Tue 9 Oct 12

sameoldscene says...

Sitting in a Pub in Holbury? Rather do another 18 years!
Sitting in a Pub in Holbury? Rather do another 18 years! sameoldscene

12:14pm Tue 9 Oct 12

LossOfLibertyNotLife says...

Don't point out the splinter of wood in someone's eye when you have a log in yours.......!!!

We all make mistakes and pay for them.

The secret is to learn from your mistakes, and hopefully live a better, and more productive life.
Don't point out the splinter of wood in someone's eye when you have a log in yours.......!!! We all make mistakes and pay for them. The secret is to learn from your mistakes, and hopefully live a better, and more productive life. LossOfLibertyNotLife

12:15pm Tue 9 Oct 12

LossOfLibertyNotLife says...

sameoldscene wrote:
Sitting in a Pub in Holbury? Rather do another 18 years!
LMAO !
[quote][p][bold]sameoldscene[/bold] wrote: Sitting in a Pub in Holbury? Rather do another 18 years![/p][/quote]LMAO ! LossOfLibertyNotLife

12:19pm Tue 9 Oct 12

boilerman says...

ToastyTea wrote:
Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it.
why should he make money? he is a convicted criminal.
As already mentioned he is probably on benefit now at the expense of law abiding tax payers, makes you laugh.
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it.[/p][/quote]why should he make money? he is a convicted criminal. As already mentioned he is probably on benefit now at the expense of law abiding tax payers, makes you laugh. boilerman

12:22pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

boilerman wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it.
why should he make money? he is a convicted criminal.
As already mentioned he is probably on benefit now at the expense of law abiding tax payers, makes you laugh.
So criminals aren't allowed to earn money? Ok, that'll solve the problem.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it.[/p][/quote]why should he make money? he is a convicted criminal. As already mentioned he is probably on benefit now at the expense of law abiding tax payers, makes you laugh.[/p][/quote]So criminals aren't allowed to earn money? Ok, that'll solve the problem. Georgem

12:22pm Tue 9 Oct 12

LeeB1900 says...

Id rather not read such tripe thanks The Echo. This guy done wrong - very very wrong - in a County that treats criminals as they should be - unlinke the UK 'oh you've just commited a serious crime so here's your room for the next (however long) all fit with sky tv, games, pocket money once a week and superb food 3 times a day'. All paid for by those who stick to the law and work hard each day. 18 years is nothing for this crime - I have struggled with money as I expect we all have - it dosent open a road where we exchange a few quid for such awul drugs which will end up killing people. Send him back for 32 years I say and let that act as a warning to other people who smuggle drugs. We don't like your type and we don't want you breathing the air we do! Go for it Tai prisons and teach the UK Government how to punish people rather than reward them! Grrrrrr! I bet his daughter is well proud of him - here's my Daddy everyone - aproud drug dealer whose just spent 18 years in prison.
Id rather not read such tripe thanks The Echo. This guy done wrong - very very wrong - in a County that treats criminals as they should be - unlinke the UK 'oh you've just commited a serious crime so here's your room for the next (however long) all fit with sky tv, games, pocket money once a week and superb food 3 times a day'. All paid for by those who stick to the law and work hard each day. 18 years is nothing for this crime - I have struggled with money as I expect we all have - it dosent open a road where we exchange a few quid for such awul drugs which will end up killing people. Send him back for 32 years I say and let that act as a warning to other people who smuggle drugs. We don't like your type and we don't want you breathing the air we do! Go for it Tai prisons and teach the UK Government how to punish people rather than reward them! Grrrrrr! I bet his daughter is well proud of him - here's my Daddy everyone - aproud drug dealer whose just spent 18 years in prison. LeeB1900

12:24pm Tue 9 Oct 12

saintinpattaya says...

I live in Thailand and know if I carried drug's of nearly 2 kg I would be in prison for the rest of my life. 30Gram or over near a border is death sentence for Thais. So you got off well considering. Maybe you should have just killed your Mrs and got out early. You should be thankful of the royal pardon here. I understand we all make mistakes but do the crime do the time. You learned the hardest way.
I live in Thailand and know if I carried drug's of nearly 2 kg I would be in prison for the rest of my life. 30Gram or over near a border is death sentence for Thais. So you got off well considering. Maybe you should have just killed your Mrs and got out early. You should be thankful of the royal pardon here. I understand we all make mistakes but do the crime do the time. You learned the hardest way. saintinpattaya

12:24pm Tue 9 Oct 12

LeeB1900 says...

sameoldscene wrote:
Sitting in a Pub in Holbury? Rather do another 18 years!
LOL excellent!
[quote][p][bold]sameoldscene[/bold] wrote: Sitting in a Pub in Holbury? Rather do another 18 years![/p][/quote]LOL excellent! LeeB1900

12:29pm Tue 9 Oct 12

LeeB1900 says...

LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote:
You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights.

There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely.

Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
you are clearly not a mother or father? Would you want this guy supplying drugs to one of your kids? No Id hope is the answer - get a grip - this guy attempted to do a very very wrong and illegal act and he got caught!

Ohh its was only a few lb of one of the worst drugs ever - so because you have rights - there's a cosy room, with biscuits and tea and because you look so lovely we've chucked in an en suite for sole use. NO.... stick him in a cell with nothing - feed him gruel and bread and make him work hard each and every day with NO wages. He didn't think of '''''human life''''''' when he attempted his act - so why the hell should he be treated like anything other than the bad awful person he is! Absolute scum of the earth.
[quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]you are clearly not a mother or father? Would you want this guy supplying drugs to one of your kids? No Id hope is the answer - get a grip - this guy attempted to do a very very wrong and illegal act and he got caught! Ohh its was only a few lb of one of the worst drugs ever - so because you have rights - there's a cosy room, with biscuits and tea and because you look so lovely we've chucked in an en suite for sole use. NO.... stick him in a cell with nothing - feed him gruel and bread and make him work hard each and every day with NO wages. He didn't think of '''''human life''''''' when he attempted his act - so why the hell should he be treated like anything other than the bad awful person he is! Absolute scum of the earth. LeeB1900

12:45pm Tue 9 Oct 12

WECOMING4U says...

Stupid thing to have done, but when desperate we can all make silly mistakes. Fair play he admitted he was wrong, so hope all goes well for him. I so glad that I am surrounded in the Echo area by so many people who are mightier than the Almighty!
Stupid thing to have done, but when desperate we can all make silly mistakes. Fair play he admitted he was wrong, so hope all goes well for him. I so glad that I am surrounded in the Echo area by so many people who are mightier than the Almighty! WECOMING4U

12:46pm Tue 9 Oct 12

ToastyTea says...

boilerman wrote:
ToastyTea wrote: Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it.
why should he make money? he is a convicted criminal. As already mentioned he is probably on benefit now at the expense of law abiding tax payers, makes you laugh.
Why not. If he can he might aswell, the tv show will probably pay for his story so go for it I say, get on TV while you're at it :)
He's done his time, what more do you want.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it.[/p][/quote]why should he make money? he is a convicted criminal. As already mentioned he is probably on benefit now at the expense of law abiding tax payers, makes you laugh.[/p][/quote]Why not. If he can he might aswell, the tv show will probably pay for his story so go for it I say, get on TV while you're at it :) He's done his time, what more do you want. ToastyTea

12:54pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Nicole23 says...

I cannot believe he wouldnt have got parol if he had come back here after 4 years,crazy decision,at least you would have decent conditions.
I cannot believe he wouldnt have got parol if he had come back here after 4 years,crazy decision,at least you would have decent conditions. Nicole23

12:57pm Tue 9 Oct 12

BP says...

Ummmm he has done his time.
Drugs are despicable and he deserved to be punished severely. Well he has been punished.
He now has the right to rebuild his life, hopefully pay his way and not rely on the state which he has stated in this interview.
I love the cyber jurys on here.
Ummmm he has done his time. Drugs are despicable and he deserved to be punished severely. Well he has been punished. He now has the right to rebuild his life, hopefully pay his way and not rely on the state which he has stated in this interview. I love the cyber jurys on here. BP

1:11pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Stu J says...

He paid a harsh price for a harsh crime and used his time as constructively as possible by the sounds of it.

He's one of us and now it's right that our country should help him get back on his feet.

It' better to be supportive, not kick a man when he's down after having served his punishment which was far worse than our own laws would have dished out.
He paid a harsh price for a harsh crime and used his time as constructively as possible by the sounds of it. He's one of us and now it's right that our country should help him get back on his feet. It' better to be supportive, not kick a man when he's down after having served his punishment which was far worse than our own laws would have dished out. Stu J

1:14pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I used to live in Thailand and can tell you they look for people who have fallen on hard times. They then tempt them to carry drugs across a border but the police have been tipped off. This makes the arrest rates look good to the West so they pretend they are cracking down on what is a major source of income to them and basis of major bribery. The entire government is corrupt. The drugs get handed back to the dealers and everyones a winner. Apart from the ones stitched up and doing time.

He wasn't a dealer merely a daft runner.
I used to live in Thailand and can tell you they look for people who have fallen on hard times. They then tempt them to carry drugs across a border but the police have been tipped off. This makes the arrest rates look good to the West so they pretend they are cracking down on what is a major source of income to them and basis of major bribery. The entire government is corrupt. The drugs get handed back to the dealers and everyones a winner. Apart from the ones stitched up and doing time. He wasn't a dealer merely a daft runner. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

1:18pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

LeeB1900 wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote:
You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights.

There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely.

Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
you are clearly not a mother or father? Would you want this guy supplying drugs to one of your kids? No Id hope is the answer - get a grip - this guy attempted to do a very very wrong and illegal act and he got caught!

Ohh its was only a few lb of one of the worst drugs ever - so because you have rights - there's a cosy room, with biscuits and tea and because you look so lovely we've chucked in an en suite for sole use. NO.... stick him in a cell with nothing - feed him gruel and bread and make him work hard each and every day with NO wages. He didn't think of '''''human life''''''' when he attempted his act - so why the hell should he be treated like anything other than the bad awful person he is! Absolute scum of the earth.
"The children!" Instant win!
[quote][p][bold]LeeB1900[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]you are clearly not a mother or father? Would you want this guy supplying drugs to one of your kids? No Id hope is the answer - get a grip - this guy attempted to do a very very wrong and illegal act and he got caught! Ohh its was only a few lb of one of the worst drugs ever - so because you have rights - there's a cosy room, with biscuits and tea and because you look so lovely we've chucked in an en suite for sole use. NO.... stick him in a cell with nothing - feed him gruel and bread and make him work hard each and every day with NO wages. He didn't think of '''''human life''''''' when he attempted his act - so why the hell should he be treated like anything other than the bad awful person he is! Absolute scum of the earth.[/p][/quote]"The children!" Instant win! Georgem

1:21pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Brizzler says...

boilerman wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it.
why should he make money? he is a convicted criminal.
As already mentioned he is probably on benefit now at the expense of law abiding tax payers, makes you laugh.
The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 states that, for most people, a sentence should not have to 'stay with them for life'. Depending on your sentence, most cautions and convictions eventually become 'spent'. Once your conviction is spent it's as if you never committed any offence in the first place. Hence why people with criminal records can join the police force.

I'm sure he is on benefits at the moment but as a convicted criminal with an unspent conviction, in a country with a lack of available employment what exactly do you want him to do (aside from not make money)? He is, after all a British citizen.

What makes me laugh is that you think tax payers are law-abiding, something like 9million people in this country have a criminal record, thats roughly 15% of the population!
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Good read, like one of the 'banged up abroad' programmes which I enjoy. He should get onto them about doing one for his story, maybe get few bob out of it.[/p][/quote]why should he make money? he is a convicted criminal. As already mentioned he is probably on benefit now at the expense of law abiding tax payers, makes you laugh.[/p][/quote]The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 states that, for most people, a sentence should not have to 'stay with them for life'. Depending on your sentence, most cautions and convictions eventually become 'spent'. Once your conviction is spent it's as if you never committed any offence in the first place. Hence why people with criminal records can join the police force. I'm sure he is on benefits at the moment but as a convicted criminal with an unspent conviction, in a country with a lack of available employment what exactly do you want him to do (aside from not make money)? He is, after all a British citizen. What makes me laugh is that you think tax payers are law-abiding, something like 9million people in this country have a criminal record, thats roughly 15% of the population! Brizzler

1:27pm Tue 9 Oct 12

sarfhamton says...

A very interesting article, I think his story would serve as a deterrent to people tempted to make a quick buck from carrying a bag for someone.
A very interesting article, I think his story would serve as a deterrent to people tempted to make a quick buck from carrying a bag for someone. sarfhamton

1:34pm Tue 9 Oct 12

mbetts says...

Poor sod!

He only went out there for the crack!
Poor sod! He only went out there for the crack! mbetts

1:44pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

COME ON - TELL US ABOUT THE LADYBOYS!
COME ON - TELL US ABOUT THE LADYBOYS! St Retford

1:48pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Dasal says...

mbetts wrote:
Poor sod! He only went out there for the crack!
Very good !!!

Best so far.................
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[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: Poor sod! He only went out there for the crack![/p][/quote]Very good !!! Best so far................. ....... Dasal

2:10pm Tue 9 Oct 12

biggsp says...

Knowing the family as I do, they'll be saying that God let our Johnny out of prison!!!!!

Hah... ... He carried drugs... ... He deserved what he got!! DRUGS KILL. Simple. There should be NO pardons!!!!! A sentence is a sentence. Simple as that!!!!!
Knowing the family as I do, they'll be saying that God let our Johnny out of prison!!!!! Hah... ... He carried drugs... ... He deserved what he got!! DRUGS KILL. Simple. There should be NO pardons!!!!! A sentence is a sentence. Simple as that!!!!! biggsp

2:13pm Tue 9 Oct 12

S!monOn says...

Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
There are some crimes committed which would rob the victim of their human right to live a decent life... punishment as harsh as this would be fitting for such crimes.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]There are some crimes committed which would rob the victim of their human right to live a decent life... punishment as harsh as this would be fitting for such crimes. S!monOn

2:23pm Tue 9 Oct 12

CHARLIE TAYLOR says...

saintinpattaya wrote:
I live in Thailand and know if I carried drug's of nearly 2 kg I would be in prison for the rest of my life. 30Gram or over near a border is death sentence for Thais. So you got off well considering. Maybe you should have just killed your Mrs and got out early. You should be thankful of the royal pardon here. I understand we all make mistakes but do the crime do the time. You learned the hardest way.
can we start a saints supporters club in pattaya ?
[quote][p][bold]saintinpattaya[/bold] wrote: I live in Thailand and know if I carried drug's of nearly 2 kg I would be in prison for the rest of my life. 30Gram or over near a border is death sentence for Thais. So you got off well considering. Maybe you should have just killed your Mrs and got out early. You should be thankful of the royal pardon here. I understand we all make mistakes but do the crime do the time. You learned the hardest way.[/p][/quote]can we start a saints supporters club in pattaya ? CHARLIE TAYLOR

2:33pm Tue 9 Oct 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago.
truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed. likewatchingbrazil

2:39pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MegGriffin says...

LeeB1900 wrote:
Id rather not read such tripe thanks The Echo. This guy done wrong - very very wrong - in a County that treats criminals as they should be - unlinke the UK 'oh you've just commited a serious crime so here's your room for the next (however long) all fit with sky tv, games, pocket money once a week and superb food 3 times a day'. All paid for by those who stick to the law and work hard each day. 18 years is nothing for this crime - I have struggled with money as I expect we all have - it dosent open a road where we exchange a few quid for such awul drugs which will end up killing people. Send him back for 32 years I say and let that act as a warning to other people who smuggle drugs. We don't like your type and we don't want you breathing the air we do! Go for it Tai prisons and teach the UK Government how to punish people rather than reward them! Grrrrrr! I bet his daughter is well proud of him - here's my Daddy everyone - aproud drug dealer whose just spent 18 years in prison.
Id rather not read such tripe thanks The Echo.

Err, don't read it then.
[quote][p][bold]LeeB1900[/bold] wrote: Id rather not read such tripe thanks The Echo. This guy done wrong - very very wrong - in a County that treats criminals as they should be - unlinke the UK 'oh you've just commited a serious crime so here's your room for the next (however long) all fit with sky tv, games, pocket money once a week and superb food 3 times a day'. All paid for by those who stick to the law and work hard each day. 18 years is nothing for this crime - I have struggled with money as I expect we all have - it dosent open a road where we exchange a few quid for such awul drugs which will end up killing people. Send him back for 32 years I say and let that act as a warning to other people who smuggle drugs. We don't like your type and we don't want you breathing the air we do! Go for it Tai prisons and teach the UK Government how to punish people rather than reward them! Grrrrrr! I bet his daughter is well proud of him - here's my Daddy everyone - aproud drug dealer whose just spent 18 years in prison.[/p][/quote]Id rather not read such tripe thanks The Echo. Err, don't read it then. MegGriffin

2:47pm Tue 9 Oct 12

S!monOn says...

likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed?

Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.
[quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please. S!monOn

2:47pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Shoong says...

likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago.
truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
You sound like a clever and reasonable chap, where did you do your degree?
[quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]You sound like a clever and reasonable chap, where did you do your degree? Shoong

3:06pm Tue 9 Oct 12

userds5050 says...

saintnick777 wrote:
I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.
No you're the scum bag. Maybe someone gave him the cig. Maybe he's got an advance on a future book deal. I'd read it. His life sounds a hell of a lot more interesting than yours. Do one.
[quote][p][bold]saintnick777[/bold] wrote: I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.[/p][/quote]No you're the scum bag. Maybe someone gave him the cig. Maybe he's got an advance on a future book deal. I'd read it. His life sounds a hell of a lot more interesting than yours. Do one. userds5050

3:06pm Tue 9 Oct 12

TheJoiners says...

Good luck to the fella. Paid the price for doing what he did now enjoy the time with your family :-)
Good luck to the fella. Paid the price for doing what he did now enjoy the time with your family :-) TheJoiners

3:07pm Tue 9 Oct 12

userds5050 says...

LeeB1900 wrote:
Id rather not read such tripe thanks The Echo. This guy done wrong - very very wrong - in a County that treats criminals as they should be - unlinke the UK 'oh you've just commited a serious crime so here's your room for the next (however long) all fit with sky tv, games, pocket money once a week and superb food 3 times a day'. All paid for by those who stick to the law and work hard each day. 18 years is nothing for this crime - I have struggled with money as I expect we all have - it dosent open a road where we exchange a few quid for such awul drugs which will end up killing people. Send him back for 32 years I say and let that act as a warning to other people who smuggle drugs. We don't like your type and we don't want you breathing the air we do! Go for it Tai prisons and teach the UK Government how to punish people rather than reward them! Grrrrrr! I bet his daughter is well proud of him - here's my Daddy everyone - aproud drug dealer whose just spent 18 years in prison.
Don't read it then.
[quote][p][bold]LeeB1900[/bold] wrote: Id rather not read such tripe thanks The Echo. This guy done wrong - very very wrong - in a County that treats criminals as they should be - unlinke the UK 'oh you've just commited a serious crime so here's your room for the next (however long) all fit with sky tv, games, pocket money once a week and superb food 3 times a day'. All paid for by those who stick to the law and work hard each day. 18 years is nothing for this crime - I have struggled with money as I expect we all have - it dosent open a road where we exchange a few quid for such awul drugs which will end up killing people. Send him back for 32 years I say and let that act as a warning to other people who smuggle drugs. We don't like your type and we don't want you breathing the air we do! Go for it Tai prisons and teach the UK Government how to punish people rather than reward them! Grrrrrr! I bet his daughter is well proud of him - here's my Daddy everyone - aproud drug dealer whose just spent 18 years in prison.[/p][/quote]Don't read it then. userds5050

3:07pm Tue 9 Oct 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

S!monOn wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.
you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.[/p][/quote]you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing. likewatchingbrazil

3:20pm Tue 9 Oct 12

BlackSwan86 says...

Whilst I agree that his crime is terrible, the fact that he would have served a sentence 4 times longer than a convicted murderer in the Uk is appauling. I think the Uk should bring in similar punishments for murderers and child abusers etc, and take a leaf out of Thailands book. People may think twice about commiting crimes if they are having to share a cell with 17 other men with no other ammenitys. The number of stories I have read where people would prefer to return to prison as its easier than their current lives. Also it would save tax payers a fortune.
Whilst I agree that his crime is terrible, the fact that he would have served a sentence 4 times longer than a convicted murderer in the Uk is appauling. I think the Uk should bring in similar punishments for murderers and child abusers etc, and take a leaf out of Thailands book. People may think twice about commiting crimes if they are having to share a cell with 17 other men with no other ammenitys. The number of stories I have read where people would prefer to return to prison as its easier than their current lives. Also it would save tax payers a fortune. BlackSwan86

3:21pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Huey says...

He did the crime AND the time, let him get on with the remainder of his life, no doubt he has learnt his lesson....
He did the crime AND the time, let him get on with the remainder of his life, no doubt he has learnt his lesson.... Huey

3:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

wheels321 says...

Georgem wrote:
saintnick777 wrote:
I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.
How dare he do anything, eh. Look at him, showing off with his clothes! I bet he's even got matching shoes. Disgusting. He should be eating cold mud, naked, in a gutter, right?
the clothes were actually given to him by his brother< god forbid that you should do anything wrong!!! he has done the time for his crime, instead of calling him scum what about the so called justice system in this country were if you drive recklessly and kill a person you only get twelve mths or better still community service, or kill an animal you get a fine!!!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintnick777[/bold] wrote: I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.[/p][/quote]How dare he do anything, eh. Look at him, showing off with his clothes! I bet he's even got matching shoes. Disgusting. He should be eating cold mud, naked, in a gutter, right?[/p][/quote]the clothes were actually given to him by his brother< god forbid that you should do anything wrong!!! he has done the time for his crime, instead of calling him scum what about the so called justice system in this country were if you drive recklessly and kill a person you only get twelve mths or better still community service, or kill an animal you get a fine!!! wheels321

3:44pm Tue 9 Oct 12

peenut81 says...

likewatchingbrazil,

Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed.
The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles.
Hypocrite.
likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite. peenut81

3:50pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago.
truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
What's a peado? Some kind of vegetable?
[quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]What's a peado? Some kind of vegetable? Georgem

3:51pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

wheels321 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
saintnick777 wrote:
I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.
How dare he do anything, eh. Look at him, showing off with his clothes! I bet he's even got matching shoes. Disgusting. He should be eating cold mud, naked, in a gutter, right?
the clothes were actually given to him by his brother&lt; god forbid that you should do anything wrong!!! he has done the time for his crime, instead of calling him scum what about the so called justice system in this country were if you drive recklessly and kill a person you only get twelve mths or better still community service, or kill an animal you get a fine!!!
I was being sarcastic, in light of the post I was replying to.
[quote][p][bold]wheels321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintnick777[/bold] wrote: I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.[/p][/quote]How dare he do anything, eh. Look at him, showing off with his clothes! I bet he's even got matching shoes. Disgusting. He should be eating cold mud, naked, in a gutter, right?[/p][/quote]the clothes were actually given to him by his brother< god forbid that you should do anything wrong!!! he has done the time for his crime, instead of calling him scum what about the so called justice system in this country were if you drive recklessly and kill a person you only get twelve mths or better still community service, or kill an animal you get a fine!!![/p][/quote]I was being sarcastic, in light of the post I was replying to. Georgem

3:52pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

St Retford wrote:
COME ON - TELL US ABOUT THE LADYBOYS!
Fascinating creatures. I don't find them attractive, it's just confusing.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: COME ON - TELL US ABOUT THE LADYBOYS![/p][/quote]Fascinating creatures. I don't find them attractive, it's just confusing. Georgem

3:54pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

likewatchingbrazil wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.
you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.
Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.
[quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.[/p][/quote]you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.[/p][/quote]Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star. Georgem

4:19pm Tue 9 Oct 12

mbetts says...

wheels321 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
saintnick777 wrote:
I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.
How dare he do anything, eh. Look at him, showing off with his clothes! I bet he's even got matching shoes. Disgusting. He should be eating cold mud, naked, in a gutter, right?
the clothes were actually given to him by his brother&lt; god forbid that you should do anything wrong!!! he has done the time for his crime, instead of calling him scum what about the so called justice system in this country were if you drive recklessly and kill a person you only get twelve mths or better still community service, or kill an animal you get a fine!!!
Kill an animal in Thailand and you get...... DINNER!
[quote][p][bold]wheels321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintnick777[/bold] wrote: I like the fag in hand shown on his pictures since release! How can he afford cigarettes after being released from prison and blatantly not having a job back here in the UK!? No doubt another scrounger falling straight back into our benefit system! Maybe he could spend that money on his daughter or even his granddaughter he's missed seeing for all that time... scum bag.[/p][/quote]How dare he do anything, eh. Look at him, showing off with his clothes! I bet he's even got matching shoes. Disgusting. He should be eating cold mud, naked, in a gutter, right?[/p][/quote]the clothes were actually given to him by his brother< god forbid that you should do anything wrong!!! he has done the time for his crime, instead of calling him scum what about the so called justice system in this country were if you drive recklessly and kill a person you only get twelve mths or better still community service, or kill an animal you get a fine!!![/p][/quote]Kill an animal in Thailand and you get...... DINNER! mbetts

4:22pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

sameoldscene wrote:
Sitting in a Pub in Holbury? Rather do another 18 years!
Classic, pmsl
[quote][p][bold]sameoldscene[/bold] wrote: Sitting in a Pub in Holbury? Rather do another 18 years![/p][/quote]Classic, pmsl Over the Edge

4:23pm Tue 9 Oct 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.
you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.
Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.
my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.[/p][/quote]you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.[/p][/quote]Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.[/p][/quote]my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you? likewatchingbrazil

4:26pm Tue 9 Oct 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

peenut81 wrote:
likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.
you fool
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]you fool likewatchingbrazil

4:36pm Tue 9 Oct 12

S!monOn says...

Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.
you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.
Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.
He's obviously been smoking too much of the wacko tobacco... lost a few brain cells.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.[/p][/quote]you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.[/p][/quote]Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.[/p][/quote]He's obviously been smoking too much of the wacko tobacco... lost a few brain cells. S!monOn

4:58pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.
you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.
Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.
my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you?
A lot less thick than you, clearly. More people DON'T die using heroin, than do. By orders of magnitude.

According to your, err, let's call it logic, car salesmen are aslo killing people through greed. After all, people get killed in cars all the time.

Time to stop salivating over tabloids, and get educated, me old chum.
[quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.[/p][/quote]you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.[/p][/quote]Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.[/p][/quote]my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you?[/p][/quote]A lot less thick than you, clearly. More people DON'T die using heroin, than do. By orders of magnitude. According to your, err, let's call it logic, car salesmen are aslo killing people through greed. After all, people get killed in cars all the time. Time to stop salivating over tabloids, and get educated, me old chum. Georgem

4:59pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

likewatchingbrazil wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.
you fool
I liked the bit where you're incapable of communicating in anything other than dumb insults.
[quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]you fool[/p][/quote]I liked the bit where you're incapable of communicating in anything other than dumb insults. Georgem

6:02pm Tue 9 Oct 12

egghead65 says...

dont smuggle drugs then.you naughty man
dont smuggle drugs then.you naughty man egghead65

6:04pm Tue 9 Oct 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.
you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.
Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.
my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you?
A lot less thick than you, clearly. More people DON'T die using heroin, than do. By orders of magnitude. According to your, err, let's call it logic, car salesmen are aslo killing people through greed. After all, people get killed in cars all the time. Time to stop salivating over tabloids, and get educated, me old chum.
whats aslo some place in norway!!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.[/p][/quote]you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.[/p][/quote]Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.[/p][/quote]my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you?[/p][/quote]A lot less thick than you, clearly. More people DON'T die using heroin, than do. By orders of magnitude. According to your, err, let's call it logic, car salesmen are aslo killing people through greed. After all, people get killed in cars all the time. Time to stop salivating over tabloids, and get educated, me old chum.[/p][/quote]whats aslo some place in norway!! likewatchingbrazil

6:12pm Tue 9 Oct 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
peenut81 wrote: likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.
you fool
I liked the bit where you're incapable of communicating in anything other than dumb insults.
hypocrite!!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]you fool[/p][/quote]I liked the bit where you're incapable of communicating in anything other than dumb insults.[/p][/quote]hypocrite!! likewatchingbrazil

6:15pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Georgem says...

likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
peenut81 wrote: likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.
you fool
I liked the bit where you're incapable of communicating in anything other than dumb insults.
hypocrite!!
The defence rests.
[quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]you fool[/p][/quote]I liked the bit where you're incapable of communicating in anything other than dumb insults.[/p][/quote]hypocrite!![/p][/quote]The defence rests. Georgem

6:28pm Tue 9 Oct 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
peenut81 wrote: likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.
you fool
I liked the bit where you're incapable of communicating in anything other than dumb insults.
hypocrite!!
The defence rests.
read before you write old chum!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: likewatchingbrazil, Just interested in your thoughts on anyone who tries to kill others through greed. The Tory party? Capitalists? Board directors? Bankers? In fact everyone in the west who relies on the death and oppression of everyone in the global south to maintain our lifestyles. Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]you fool[/p][/quote]I liked the bit where you're incapable of communicating in anything other than dumb insults.[/p][/quote]hypocrite!![/p][/quote]The defence rests.[/p][/quote]read before you write old chum! likewatchingbrazil

6:34pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RadicalEmu says...

likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.
you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.
Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.
my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you?
Best Maily Echo story in a long time.
.
Such a shame about the torch-and-pitchfork brigade. Don't worry guys, humanity might catch up with you one day.
[quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.[/p][/quote]you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.[/p][/quote]Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.[/p][/quote]my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you?[/p][/quote]Best Maily Echo story in a long time. . Such a shame about the torch-and-pitchfork brigade. Don't worry guys, humanity might catch up with you one day. RadicalEmu

6:55pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Monty3 says...

I have a few dreams too....but I don't smuggle drugs in attempt to achieve them! No sympathy!
I have a few dreams too....but I don't smuggle drugs in attempt to achieve them! No sympathy! Monty3

7:16pm Tue 9 Oct 12

mickey01 says...

it comes to something when a known criminal gets the headlines shame on you echo he should be locked up for longer
it comes to something when a known criminal gets the headlines shame on you echo he should be locked up for longer mickey01

7:17pm Tue 9 Oct 12

lisaduf says...

I am 11 years of age this is my grandad (uncle) i was named after him he is a great man although he has done a thew bad things in the past
I am 11 years of age this is my grandad (uncle) i was named after him he is a great man although he has done a thew bad things in the past lisaduf

7:33pm Tue 9 Oct 12

brucetheboss says...

Look at this fellow's eyes...compare with the photo on his motorbike. He's paid big big style, shame pedophiles,rapists and murder's don't look like this when they come out of a brit jail far TOO early. He done wrong ok but this guy has paid his
debt way beyond what is sane. The ones who love too criticise!! have you never speeded in your car? or driven when your maybe just a unit over?. We all have,(35mph in a 30 limit can kill instead of maim leading to prison for careless driving) but by the grace of god we never run over a child at the time..that would mean Jail guilt and shame for you and your family. Give Johnny a break!!!
Look at this fellow's eyes...compare with the photo on his motorbike. He's paid big big style, shame pedophiles,rapists and murder's don't look like this when they come out of a brit jail far TOO early. He done wrong ok but this guy has paid his debt way beyond what is sane. The ones who love too criticise!! have you never speeded in your car? or driven when your maybe just a unit over?. We all have,(35mph in a 30 limit can kill instead of maim leading to prison for careless driving) but by the grace of god we never run over a child at the time..that would mean Jail guilt and shame for you and your family. Give Johnny a break!!! brucetheboss

7:36pm Tue 9 Oct 12

brucetheboss says...

lisaduf wrote:
I am 11 years of age this is my grandad (uncle) i was named after him he is a great man although he has done a thew bad things in the past
fairplay dude
[quote][p][bold]lisaduf[/bold] wrote: I am 11 years of age this is my grandad (uncle) i was named after him he is a great man although he has done a thew bad things in the past[/p][/quote]fairplay dude brucetheboss

7:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

brucetheboss says...

RadicalEmu wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
likewatchingbrazil wrote:
Georgem wrote:
LossOfLibertyNotLife wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.
Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.
steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.
And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.
you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.
Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.
my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you?
Best Maily Echo story in a long time.
.
Such a shame about the torch-and-pitchfork brigade. Don't worry guys, humanity might catch up with you one day.
Nic one Bro
[quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LossOfLibertyNotLife[/bold] wrote: You do the crime and do the time. Your sentence is loss of liberty, not loss of human rights. There is too much injustice in Thai prisons. People are treated inhumanely. Don't think you are immune to injustice. There are plenty of holidaymakers in Thailand, who have been stitched up with some drugs, so that they either pay a fine or go to prison. It is a completely corrupt country.[/p][/quote]Good post. Too many people think anyone who steps out of line at all, anywhere, instantly sacrifices all their rights forever.[/p][/quote]steps out of line!! get a grip u weirdo, u were on here sticking up for peado's not so long ago. truth is it would have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed.[/p][/quote]And how would it have been better all round if the death penalty had been imposed? Paint yourself as an idiot, but don't try dragging anyone else with you please.[/p][/quote]you might be happy to keep the loser with your taxes but i think anyone who tries to kill others through their own greed deserves nothing.[/p][/quote]Who did he try and kill? Amaze us with your fascinating insights, plucked straight from the pages of the Daily Star.[/p][/quote]my mistake people don't die using heroin do they, how thick are you?[/p][/quote]Best Maily Echo story in a long time. . Such a shame about the torch-and-pitchfork brigade. Don't worry guys, humanity might catch up with you one day.[/p][/quote]Nic one Bro brucetheboss

7:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RadicalEmu says...

Best Maily Echo story in a long time.
.
Such a shame about the torch-and-pitchfork brigade. Don't worry guys, humanity might catch up with you one day.
Best Maily Echo story in a long time. . Such a shame about the torch-and-pitchfork brigade. Don't worry guys, humanity might catch up with you one day. RadicalEmu

8:39pm Tue 9 Oct 12

funkadelic says...

Wow, fantastic story! Very interesting. Shame about the ridiculous comments after though.

There are some really awful people who comment on story on here, who ruin it for the rest of us who could have a genuine discussion!
Wow, fantastic story! Very interesting. Shame about the ridiculous comments after though. There are some really awful people who comment on story on here, who ruin it for the rest of us who could have a genuine discussion! funkadelic

8:43pm Tue 9 Oct 12

AdamSFC says...

To all the people on here calling for Thai style prisons and sentences in the UK, well seeing as you are so willing to throw away your personal freedoms then I truly hope that should the dark day ever come whereby our justice system goes back to the wonderful days of the 19th century, that it is you and your loved ones who receive life shattering sentences for small crimes and not the rest of us who are glad we live in a civilised society.
To all the people on here calling for Thai style prisons and sentences in the UK, well seeing as you are so willing to throw away your personal freedoms then I truly hope that should the dark day ever come whereby our justice system goes back to the wonderful days of the 19th century, that it is you and your loved ones who receive life shattering sentences for small crimes and not the rest of us who are glad we live in a civilised society. AdamSFC

9:49pm Tue 9 Oct 12

derek james says...

St Retford wrote:
COME ON - TELL US ABOUT THE LADYBOYS!
you're a sad moron retford
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: COME ON - TELL US ABOUT THE LADYBOYS![/p][/quote]you're a sad moron retford derek james

10:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Scrutinizer says...

Well, there certainly seems to be a little of a tone of sympathy seeking from this story. I, personally, have no sympathy with the guy, myself. I have to say 'though, that I'm not a bit surprised that he has his fans, including on this website. The plain fact is that the penalties for such crimes are extremely seriously tough in these countries (were even when he committed the crime) and no one need have ever doubted that this was common knowlege.

The fact that the deadly poisonous cr@p he'd have smuggled abroad, had he been successful of course, would have utterly ruined many very young lives alone, quite probably have caused - if indirectly - some deaths too, but certainly at the very least immense pain for the victims and their families too, seems to have been completely ignored by more that a few fighting his corner on here.

Anyway, don't fret you folks who are looking out for him. I don't doubt that he's about to bring out a book quite soon, maybe even get a half decent serialisation deal with a newspaper too, then there will be the t.v. and radio interviews. Also, we can be sure that an invitation to participate in the t.v. series 'Banged up Abroad' will be on the cards too... All of which, I'm sure will see him through the 'hard times' for a while.

But what I do think would be a positive move for our society in general, and for this guy too, would be for him to, say, tour schools, colleges, Universities, prisons etc, telling his story, 'no holds barred' - but crucially free of charge - and I think this could be extremely valuable. He'd certainly get some respect from me if he took that approach.
Well, there certainly seems to be a little of a tone of sympathy seeking from this story. I, personally, have no sympathy with the guy, myself. I have to say 'though, that I'm not a bit surprised that he has his fans, including on this website. The plain fact is that the penalties for such crimes are extremely seriously tough in these countries (were even when he committed the crime) and no one need have ever doubted that this was common knowlege. The fact that the deadly poisonous cr@p he'd have smuggled abroad, had he been successful of course, would have utterly ruined many very young lives alone, quite probably have caused - if indirectly - some deaths too, but certainly at the very least immense pain for the victims and their families too, seems to have been completely ignored by more that a few fighting his corner on here. Anyway, don't fret you folks who are looking out for him. I don't doubt that he's about to bring out a book quite soon, maybe even get a half decent serialisation deal with a newspaper too, then there will be the t.v. and radio interviews. Also, we can be sure that an invitation to participate in the t.v. series 'Banged up Abroad' will be on the cards too... All of which, I'm sure will see him through the 'hard times' for a while. But what I do think would be a positive move for our society in general, and for this guy too, would be for him to, say, tour schools, colleges, Universities, prisons etc, telling his story, 'no holds barred' - but crucially free of charge - and I think this could be extremely valuable. He'd certainly get some respect from me if he took that approach. Scrutinizer

12:31am Wed 10 Oct 12

RadicalEmu says...

Scrutinizer wrote:
Well, there certainly seems to be a little of a tone of sympathy seeking from this story. I, personally, have no sympathy with the guy, myself. I have to say 'though, that I'm not a bit surprised that he has his fans, including on this website. The plain fact is that the penalties for such crimes are extremely seriously tough in these countries (were even when he committed the crime) and no one need have ever doubted that this was common knowlege.

The fact that the deadly poisonous cr@p he'd have smuggled abroad, had he been successful of course, would have utterly ruined many very young lives alone, quite probably have caused - if indirectly - some deaths too, but certainly at the very least immense pain for the victims and their families too, seems to have been completely ignored by more that a few fighting his corner on here.

Anyway, don't fret you folks who are looking out for him. I don't doubt that he's about to bring out a book quite soon, maybe even get a half decent serialisation deal with a newspaper too, then there will be the t.v. and radio interviews. Also, we can be sure that an invitation to participate in the t.v. series 'Banged up Abroad' will be on the cards too... All of which, I'm sure will see him through the 'hard times' for a while.

But what I do think would be a positive move for our society in general, and for this guy too, would be for him to, say, tour schools, colleges, Universities, prisons etc, telling his story, 'no holds barred' - but crucially free of charge - and I think this could be extremely valuable. He'd certainly get some respect from me if he took that approach.
Well I'm sure that after 18 years in a notorious foreign prison, what he's really looking for is the respect of some random person on the internet.
[quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: Well, there certainly seems to be a little of a tone of sympathy seeking from this story. I, personally, have no sympathy with the guy, myself. I have to say 'though, that I'm not a bit surprised that he has his fans, including on this website. The plain fact is that the penalties for such crimes are extremely seriously tough in these countries (were even when he committed the crime) and no one need have ever doubted that this was common knowlege. The fact that the deadly poisonous cr@p he'd have smuggled abroad, had he been successful of course, would have utterly ruined many very young lives alone, quite probably have caused - if indirectly - some deaths too, but certainly at the very least immense pain for the victims and their families too, seems to have been completely ignored by more that a few fighting his corner on here. Anyway, don't fret you folks who are looking out for him. I don't doubt that he's about to bring out a book quite soon, maybe even get a half decent serialisation deal with a newspaper too, then there will be the t.v. and radio interviews. Also, we can be sure that an invitation to participate in the t.v. series 'Banged up Abroad' will be on the cards too... All of which, I'm sure will see him through the 'hard times' for a while. But what I do think would be a positive move for our society in general, and for this guy too, would be for him to, say, tour schools, colleges, Universities, prisons etc, telling his story, 'no holds barred' - but crucially free of charge - and I think this could be extremely valuable. He'd certainly get some respect from me if he took that approach.[/p][/quote]Well I'm sure that after 18 years in a notorious foreign prison, what he's really looking for is the respect of some random person on the internet. RadicalEmu

4:57am Wed 10 Oct 12

sasmike says...

the scum bags are the knockers on this page, he made a mistake, he did his time, i wish you well johnathan and a happy future, good luck 2u !!
the scum bags are the knockers on this page, he made a mistake, he did his time, i wish you well johnathan and a happy future, good luck 2u !! sasmike

8:58am Wed 10 Oct 12

Georgem says...

sasmike wrote:
the scum bags are the knockers on this page, he made a mistake, he did his time, i wish you well johnathan and a happy future, good luck 2u !!
Amen to that. Reminds me of a remarkably relevant quote from a remarkably relevant film, Midnight Express.

"I just wish for once that you could be in my shoes, Mr. Prosecutor, and then you would know something that you don't know: mercy! That the concept of a society is based on the quality of that mercy; its sense of fair play; its sense of justice! But I guess that's like asking a bear to shit in the toilet."
[quote][p][bold]sasmike[/bold] wrote: the scum bags are the knockers on this page, he made a mistake, he did his time, i wish you well johnathan and a happy future, good luck 2u !![/p][/quote]Amen to that. Reminds me of a remarkably relevant quote from a remarkably relevant film, Midnight Express. "I just wish for once that you could be in my shoes, Mr. Prosecutor, and then you would know something that you don't know: mercy! That the concept of a society is based on the quality of that mercy; its sense of fair play; its sense of justice! But I guess that's like asking a bear to sh[bold][/bold]it in the toilet." Georgem

9:41am Wed 10 Oct 12

St Retford says...

I don't think this is a story asking people to judge one way or another. Merely to read it and find it an interesting tale. Can we try not judging just one single thing on here?
I don't think this is a story asking people to judge one way or another. Merely to read it and find it an interesting tale. Can we try not judging just one single thing on here? St Retford

9:42am Wed 10 Oct 12

ToastyTea says...

Makes you wonder if this is the dailymail website sometimes with the morons commenting. All the best to this guy and unlucky getting caught, just trying to do people a favour.
Makes you wonder if this is the dailymail website sometimes with the morons commenting. All the best to this guy and unlucky getting caught, just trying to do people a favour. ToastyTea

9:49am Wed 10 Oct 12

Georgem says...

St Retford wrote:
I don't think this is a story asking people to judge one way or another. Merely to read it and find it an interesting tale. Can we try not judging just one single thing on here?
I agree, I didn't see anything in the story condemning the guy, or commending him, or asking for sympathy, or anything. Very unbiased and factual reporting, if you ask me.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I don't think this is a story asking people to judge one way or another. Merely to read it and find it an interesting tale. Can we try not judging just one single thing on here?[/p][/quote]I agree, I didn't see anything in the story condemning the guy, or commending him, or asking for sympathy, or anything. Very unbiased and factual reporting, if you ask me. Georgem

10:02am Wed 10 Oct 12

Linesman says...

The moral of the story is:-

IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME,

DON'T DO THE CRIME.

He is lucky to still be alive. Many of the heroin addicts that he was prepared to supply would be dead, years ago.
The moral of the story is:- IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE CRIME. He is lucky to still be alive. Many of the heroin addicts that he was prepared to supply would be dead, years ago. Linesman

10:31am Wed 10 Oct 12

Scrutinizer says...

Linesman wrote:
The moral of the story is:- IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE CRIME. He is lucky to still be alive. Many of the heroin addicts that he was prepared to supply would be dead, years ago.
Yep. Well said. My sentiments entirely.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: The moral of the story is:- IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE CRIME. He is lucky to still be alive. Many of the heroin addicts that he was prepared to supply would be dead, years ago.[/p][/quote]Yep. Well said. My sentiments entirely. Scrutinizer

10:39am Wed 10 Oct 12

Georgem says...

Linesman wrote:
The moral of the story is:-

IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME,

DON'T DO THE CRIME.

He is lucky to still be alive. Many of the heroin addicts that he was prepared to supply would be dead, years ago.
He DID do the time. Did you even read the story?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: The moral of the story is:- IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE CRIME. He is lucky to still be alive. Many of the heroin addicts that he was prepared to supply would be dead, years ago.[/p][/quote]He DID do the time. Did you even read the story? Georgem

10:59am Wed 10 Oct 12

Scrutinizer says...

So why all this sympathy/empathy and support for the guy? I just don't get it. Why not put the emphasis on the nature of his crime, as an extremely serious action, and the (very likely) deadly effects for the victims of the dope he was carrying, had he been successful with his smuggling?
So why all this sympathy/empathy and support for the guy? I just don't get it. Why not put the emphasis on the nature of his crime, as an extremely serious action, and the (very likely) deadly effects for the victims of the dope he was carrying, had he been successful with his smuggling? Scrutinizer

11:07am Wed 10 Oct 12

Scrutinizer says...

ToastyTea wrote:
Makes you wonder if this is the dailymail website sometimes with the morons commenting. All the best to this guy and unlucky getting caught, just trying to do people a favour.
Listen, I'm certainly no fan of the Daily Mail. But "...morons commenting"? And with you commenting this kind of stuff; "...unlucky getting caught..." etc?!

It seems like you've dropped your toast and it landed the wrong way up!
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder if this is the dailymail website sometimes with the morons commenting. All the best to this guy and unlucky getting caught, just trying to do people a favour.[/p][/quote]Listen, I'm certainly no fan of the Daily Mail. But "...morons commenting"? And with you commenting this kind of stuff; "...unlucky getting caught..." etc?! It seems like you've dropped your toast and it landed the wrong way up! Scrutinizer

11:24am Wed 10 Oct 12

Scrutinizer says...

saintinpattaya wrote:
I live in Thailand and know if I carried drug's of nearly 2 kg I would be in prison for the rest of my life. 30Gram or over near a border is death sentence for Thais. So you got off well considering. Maybe you should have just killed your Mrs and got out early. You should be thankful of the royal pardon here. I understand we all make mistakes but do the crime do the time. You learned the hardest way.
Well said, and from someone who knows something of the reality of life - unlike some others who've commented on this story.
[quote][p][bold]saintinpattaya[/bold] wrote: I live in Thailand and know if I carried drug's of nearly 2 kg I would be in prison for the rest of my life. 30Gram or over near a border is death sentence for Thais. So you got off well considering. Maybe you should have just killed your Mrs and got out early. You should be thankful of the royal pardon here. I understand we all make mistakes but do the crime do the time. You learned the hardest way.[/p][/quote]Well said, and from someone who knows something of the reality of life - unlike some others who've commented on this story. Scrutinizer

11:24am Wed 10 Oct 12

ToastyTea says...

Scrutinizer wrote:
ToastyTea wrote: Makes you wonder if this is the dailymail website sometimes with the morons commenting. All the best to this guy and unlucky getting caught, just trying to do people a favour.
Listen, I'm certainly no fan of the Daily Mail. But &quot;...morons commenting"? And with you commenting this kind of stuff; "...unlucky getting caught..." etc?! It seems like you've dropped your toast and it landed the wrong way up!
my toast always lands the right side up.
[quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder if this is the dailymail website sometimes with the morons commenting. All the best to this guy and unlucky getting caught, just trying to do people a favour.[/p][/quote]Listen, I'm certainly no fan of the Daily Mail. But "...morons commenting"? And with you commenting this kind of stuff; "...unlucky getting caught..." etc?! It seems like you've dropped your toast and it landed the wrong way up![/p][/quote]my toast always lands the right side up. ToastyTea

12:03pm Wed 10 Oct 12

wheels321 says...

biggsp wrote:
Knowing the family as I do, they'll be saying that God let our Johnny out of prison!!!!!

Hah... ... He carried drugs... ... He deserved what he got!! DRUGS KILL. Simple. There should be NO pardons!!!!! A sentence is a sentence. Simple as that!!!!!
excuse me you do not know the family!!!! if you did you would no they dont believe in God!!
[quote][p][bold]biggsp[/bold] wrote: Knowing the family as I do, they'll be saying that God let our Johnny out of prison!!!!! Hah... ... He carried drugs... ... He deserved what he got!! DRUGS KILL. Simple. There should be NO pardons!!!!! A sentence is a sentence. Simple as that!!!!![/p][/quote]excuse me you do not know the family!!!! if you did you would no they dont believe in God!! wheels321

1:42pm Wed 10 Oct 12

damotats says...

He done wrong ...he done 18yrs... I spoke to him last week and he is trying change his life around .ie get a job , see his kids and contribute to society again,
our country should have some similar rules to Thailand because a hell of alot of people wouldn't commit the crimes.....Good luck to John!
He done wrong ...he done 18yrs... I spoke to him last week and he is trying change his life around .ie get a job , see his kids and contribute to society again, our country should have some similar rules to Thailand because a hell of alot of people wouldn't commit the crimes.....Good luck to John! damotats

2:04pm Wed 10 Oct 12

batesieboy says...

CHARLIE TAYLOR wrote:
saintinpattaya wrote:
I live in Thailand and know if I carried drug's of nearly 2 kg I would be in prison for the rest of my life. 30Gram or over near a border is death sentence for Thais. So you got off well considering. Maybe you should have just killed your Mrs and got out early. You should be thankful of the royal pardon here. I understand we all make mistakes but do the crime do the time. You learned the hardest way.
can we start a saints supporters club in pattaya ?
I'm in Saraburi but could make it there some weekends.
[quote][p][bold]CHARLIE TAYLOR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintinpattaya[/bold] wrote: I live in Thailand and know if I carried drug's of nearly 2 kg I would be in prison for the rest of my life. 30Gram or over near a border is death sentence for Thais. So you got off well considering. Maybe you should have just killed your Mrs and got out early. You should be thankful of the royal pardon here. I understand we all make mistakes but do the crime do the time. You learned the hardest way.[/p][/quote]can we start a saints supporters club in pattaya ?[/p][/quote]I'm in Saraburi but could make it there some weekends. batesieboy

7:39pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Folkestone Saint says...

Every School kid should be made to read this or a similar report, then some good may come out of this mistake. As for some of the comments on here, at no time does this guy seek simpathy and chose to finish his time abroad in a hell hole rather than the soft U.K. option, I have made mistakes as most of us have (nothing serious) and allthough I don't admire this guy I do wish him well.
Every School kid should be made to read this or a similar report, then some good may come out of this mistake. As for some of the comments on here, at no time does this guy seek simpathy and chose to finish his time abroad in a hell hole rather than the soft U.K. option, I have made mistakes as most of us have (nothing serious) and allthough I don't admire this guy I do wish him well. Folkestone Saint

7:49pm Wed 10 Oct 12

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Everyone knows you can buy ANYTHING in Thailand easy . We have been many times and WARNINGS on smuggling are EVERYWHERE , I for 1 back Thailand s decision fully , he is a lucky guy to get off so lightly . But now start living a LIFE you have missed out on .
Everyone knows you can buy ANYTHING in Thailand easy . We have been many times and WARNINGS on smuggling are EVERYWHERE , I for 1 back Thailand s decision fully , he is a lucky guy to get off so lightly . But now start living a LIFE you have missed out on . SPIKEISLANDTRADER

2:33am Thu 11 Oct 12

Scrutinizer says...

ToastyTea wrote:
Scrutinizer wrote:
ToastyTea wrote: Makes you wonder if this is the dailymail website sometimes with the morons commenting. All the best to this guy and unlucky getting caught, just trying to do people a favour.
Listen, I'm certainly no fan of the Daily Mail. But &quot;...morons commenting"? And with you commenting this kind of stuff; "...unlucky getting caught..." etc?! It seems like you've dropped your toast and it landed the wrong way up!
my toast always lands the right side up.
Though we all know where your jam lands...
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder if this is the dailymail website sometimes with the morons commenting. All the best to this guy and unlucky getting caught, just trying to do people a favour.[/p][/quote]Listen, I'm certainly no fan of the Daily Mail. But "...morons commenting"? And with you commenting this kind of stuff; "...unlucky getting caught..." etc?! It seems like you've dropped your toast and it landed the wrong way up![/p][/quote]my toast always lands the right side up.[/p][/quote]Though we all know where your jam lands... Scrutinizer

1:05am Fri 12 Oct 12

Mr. Ducke says...

All this hypocritical talk about heroin about heroin. It's a commodity; there's not many cases of shady pushers enticing schoolchildren. It goes to people desperately need because of a medical condition they have acquired, called opiate addiction. And before you start slamming me, consider this - the reason laws against narcotics are so strict in much of East Asia is really a reaction against the policies of British colonialism. You were not so sanctimonious when you addicted a good proportion of the population of China, and fought several wars to keep the trade routes open for opium.

I wish all the best to Mr. Wheeler and his family. Many of the commenters here would not survive a weekend lockup, even where I live..
All this hypocritical talk about heroin about heroin. It's a commodity; there's not many cases of shady pushers enticing schoolchildren. It goes to people desperately need because of a medical condition they have acquired, called opiate addiction. And before you start slamming me, consider this - the reason laws against narcotics are so strict in much of East Asia is really a reaction against the policies of British colonialism. You were not so sanctimonious when you addicted a good proportion of the population of China, and fought several wars to keep the trade routes open for opium. I wish all the best to Mr. Wheeler and his family. Many of the commenters here would not survive a weekend lockup, even where I live.. Mr. Ducke

3:37pm Fri 12 Oct 12

Scrutinizer says...

Mr. Ducke wrote:
All this hypocritical talk about heroin about heroin. It's a commodity; there's not many cases of shady pushers enticing schoolchildren. It goes to people desperately need because of a medical condition they have acquired, called opiate addiction. And before you start slamming me, consider this - the reason laws against narcotics are so strict in much of East Asia is really a reaction against the policies of British colonialism. You were not so sanctimonious when you addicted a good proportion of the population of China, and fought several wars to keep the trade routes open for opium. I wish all the best to Mr. Wheeler and his family. Many of the commenters here would not survive a weekend lockup, even where I live..
Oh really? But what do you mean by "hypocritical" and "you"? None (or extremely few, anyway) of us in this country were around when such policies were devised and engaged in during those times. You're using the illogical, ol' retrograde-blaming argument, that we in the present are responsible in some (or any) way for the actions of those who came before us. I mean while you're at it, why don't you blame the post WWII-born generation of German people for what their fathers and grandfathers did back then?

So heroin is a simple "commodity" in your little world, is it? I see, and not so much the poisonous, destructive and often deadly substance it's believed to be by experts all over the known world, such as chemists and people from the medical profession etc then, oh and not least plenty of addicts too?

Then there's the school chldren; I don't suppose you've considered that the main reasons why they might not be chased after by heroin pushers ('though some obviously have been and indeed in some places no doubt still are), is on account of the simple facts that: 1) They don't have the money to fund buying the poison regularly (and less likely to take the very regular risks involved in stealing to fund it either). Also 2) that they are much less independent than (the greater majority of) adults, and therefore more likely to be known to be taking it by others, not least their parents etc, who no doubt in most cases would pursue legal (and possibly illegal, if necessary, which would be quite understandable in my view too) action against the pushers, than anything else? But then where do you think many of the "addicts" get their dope from, good joe-neighbour?

Oh, and I don't suppose the reason why the guy opted not to return here, to Britain to finish his sentence, has anything at all to do with him anticipating an amnesty coming up sometime in the future in Thailand, whereby he'd quite possibly stand a very good chance of release (as actually occured obviously), unlike over here, where the best he could hope for would be a reduction? Do you think we all just stepped off the last banana boat out of ice-land or something?

And whether any of us on here - including myself - who are unsympathtic toward this guy's situation, could survive a weekend - or any other amount of time - where you live, is irrelevant, anyway.

So, where do you live then - Room 101?
[quote][p][bold]Mr. Ducke[/bold] wrote: All this hypocritical talk about heroin about heroin. It's a commodity; there's not many cases of shady pushers enticing schoolchildren. It goes to people desperately need because of a medical condition they have acquired, called opiate addiction. And before you start slamming me, consider this - the reason laws against narcotics are so strict in much of East Asia is really a reaction against the policies of British colonialism. You were not so sanctimonious when you addicted a good proportion of the population of China, and fought several wars to keep the trade routes open for opium. I wish all the best to Mr. Wheeler and his family. Many of the commenters here would not survive a weekend lockup, even where I live..[/p][/quote]Oh really? But what do you mean by "hypocritical" and "you"? None (or extremely few, anyway) of us in this country were around when such policies were devised and engaged in during those times. You're using the illogical, ol' retrograde-blaming argument, that we in the present are responsible in some (or any) way for the actions of those who came before us. I mean while you're at it, why don't you blame the post WWII-born generation of German people for what their fathers and grandfathers did back then? So heroin is a simple "commodity" in your little world, is it? I see, and not so much the poisonous, destructive and often deadly substance it's believed to be by experts all over the known world, such as chemists and people from the medical profession etc then, oh and not least plenty of addicts too? Then there's the school chldren; I don't suppose you've considered that the main reasons why they might not be chased after by heroin pushers ('though some obviously have been and indeed in some places no doubt still are), is on account of the simple facts that: 1) They don't have the money to fund buying the poison regularly (and less likely to take the very regular risks involved in stealing to fund it either). Also 2) that they are much less independent than (the greater majority of) adults, and therefore more likely to be known to be taking it by others, not least their parents etc, who no doubt in most cases would pursue legal (and possibly illegal, if necessary, which would be quite understandable in my view too) action against the pushers, than anything else? But then where do you think many of the "addicts" get their dope from, good joe-neighbour? Oh, and I don't suppose the reason why the guy opted not to return here, to Britain to finish his sentence, has anything at all to do with him anticipating an amnesty coming up sometime in the future in Thailand, whereby he'd quite possibly stand a very good chance of release (as actually occured obviously), unlike over here, where the best he could hope for would be a reduction? Do you think we all just stepped off the last banana boat out of ice-land or something? And whether any of us on here - including myself - who are unsympathtic toward this guy's situation, could survive a weekend - or any other amount of time - where you live, is irrelevant, anyway. So, where do you live then - Room 101? Scrutinizer

12:36am Tue 16 Oct 12

somebodysomewhere says...

he got what he deserved he wasn't any better before he left the uk as sadly I knew him then and would not wish to reacquaint myself or my family with him
he got what he deserved he wasn't any better before he left the uk as sadly I knew him then and would not wish to reacquaint myself or my family with him somebodysomewhere

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