Free Seacity museum tickets snubbed (From Daily Echo)
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One in seven free tickets used by residents at SeaCity museum
8:00am Sunday 14th October 2012 in News
By Matt Smith, Politics and business reporter
Free Seacity museum tickets snubbed
JUST one in seven of the free tickets to Southamp-ton’s Titanic themed museum have been used, latest figures reveal.
The council gave away tickets to all 98,000 households in the city to visit the new SeaCity museum this year for free.
But the offer of free entry for a family of two adults and three children has only been taken up by around 13,600 households so far.
Today the Daily Echo can reveal the council is already planning new exhibitions to tempt back visitors to see something “fresh”.
The free ticket giveaway, just weeks before local elections in May which saw Labour take power from the Tories, was criticised at the time as an election bribe.
SeaCity opened in April on the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic in which 1,500 perished, around a third from Southampton.
Overall visitor numbers in the five months since it opened have topped 83,000 on target for the forecasted 150,000 visitors a year.
The £15m project, shortlisted for a prestigious building award, has been funded from a £4.9m lottery grant and £500,000 from fundraising so far.
The council made up the budget gap with the proceeds of asset sales and short-term borrowing.
It had intended to find up to £5m from fundraising.
Southampton’s Grade II-listed former magistrates’ courts and police headquarters at the Civic Centre were transformed and extended into the cultural and heritage attraction.
Conservatives defended the money as well spent as it has left the city with a valuable legacy.
The Southampton Cultural Development Trust was set up to raise funds for both SeaCity and £2.1m towards the city’s forthcoming £21m arts complex.
Councillor Warwick Payne, the council’s leisure boss, said: “We are where we are. It’s been built. The question now is how do we make the best of it.
“We are already trying to think ahead of what other stories we can tell with the idea that if you come back there will be something fresh to see.”
He said an exhibition to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Southampton getting its city status in 2014 was being considered.
Other exhibitions in coming years could be based around the 600th anniversary of Agincourt, the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain and 50 years of production of the Ford Transit in Southampton.
Cllr Payne added there were no “active” plans to outsource the management of SeaCity after a Tory tender failed to secure an operator.
Comments(68)
South101
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8:53am Sun 14 Oct 12
robich
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8:57am Sun 14 Oct 12
fuzzyfelt
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9:18am Sun 14 Oct 12
robich wrote:weekends
The free tickets are family passes but cannot be used during school holidays - so when can families visit? Unless they take their children out of school?
Portswood
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9:18am Sun 14 Oct 12
robich wrote:Well said robich - you've hit the nail on the head. I'm surprised Matt's article didn't mention this. The free tickets could be used on a Saturday, I suppose. But what with football training, catching up with homework and other stuff that needs doing, it's not easy to fit in.
The free tickets are family passes but cannot be used during school holidays - so when can families visit? Unless they take their children out of school?
Maybe the council can have a rethink and extend the passes to include school holidays. I can't believe the museum is really going to be swamped then.
Inform Al
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9:20am Sun 14 Oct 12
rachie66
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9:44am Sun 14 Oct 12
fuzzyfelt wrote:Couldn't agree more! School holidays would be the best time to visit! Weekends I always avoid going to town plus have plenty of other stuff that needs doing!
robich wrote:weekends
The free tickets are family passes but cannot be used during school holidays - so when can families visit? Unless they take their children out of school?
I also thought all school children were getting tickets to visit during school time! Neither of mine have.
Tony in Liberia
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9:59am Sun 14 Oct 12
joenice1
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10:12am Sun 14 Oct 12
This story is really negative, which does not really suprise myself, as I do find our paper can be like this.
I think the musem has been a real success as well as Tudor house.
Come on Echo, lets be a little more positive, maybe you should say how many people have been the the doors in total.
userds5050
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10:28am Sun 14 Oct 12
Were you hoping it didn't sink after all?
sotonbusdriver
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10:41am Sun 14 Oct 12
Total waste of money, when it could have been used to benefit more people than it will ever reach.
chunky_lover
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10:42am Sun 14 Oct 12
Hampshire Rose
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10:46am Sun 14 Oct 12
I wonder how many schools in the city would have allowed time off
bogart259
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11:15am Sun 14 Oct 12
Please bear in mind that the tickets have to be used by the end of the year. Still haven't used our yet, but fully intend to.
Dusty
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11:20am Sun 14 Oct 12
Have to say how disappointed i was with it. Nothing of real substance at all and very over priced. I love my history, but this left me wanting.
George4th
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11:56am Sun 14 Oct 12
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Plus of course you get the usual excuses and justification trotted out by the "can't be bothered" brigade!
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The SeaCity Museum is an excellent building and is up for a reasonably prestigious design award and deservedly so. It is especially liked by the young and by many visitors to our City.
My family were impressed with the whole concept and those I know who have visited the museum have thoroughly enjoyed it.
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I guess some people just don't like museums!! Especially Southampton people!
Eric_Cartman
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12:06pm Sun 14 Oct 12
robich wrote:A weekend?
The free tickets are family passes but cannot be used during school holidays - so when can families visit? Unless they take their children out of school?
arthur dalyrimple
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12:34pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Hdg end mo
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12:35pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Lone Ranger.
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12:42pm Sun 14 Oct 12
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Public money was used to prop this ego trip up ........ Despite Smith and co denying it as the money was to be grants etc ........ And they said NO public money would be used...
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Now which poster said tha if a councillor lied he should resign .... Oh yes Aldermoorboy.
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Who denied that public money was being used ..... Oh yes loosehead.
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Strange neither of these have posted yet !!!!.
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The resident of Southampton to lied to and conned .......... And this will be a millstone around our necks for years to c ome
southy
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1:07pm Sun 14 Oct 12
arthur dalyrimple wrote:Theres all ready a working replica of the Mayflower, in the USA.
the mayflower could be southamptons big earner ,get a replica built and moored and rename this museum the mayflower and advertise in usa.
southy
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1:18pm Sun 14 Oct 12
George4th wrote:Static Museums tend to be for visitors to go to, locals can go when they want and if they want, Traveling Museums tend to bring in more local people to see, because of the short time scale that they are base there.
Well, I guess this story sums up the known apathy of the people of Southampton and why we attract so little in the way of business, culture and entertainment to our City.
>
Plus of course you get the usual excuses and justification trotted out by the "can't be bothered" brigade!
>
The SeaCity Museum is an excellent building and is up for a reasonably prestigious design award and deservedly so. It is especially liked by the young and by many visitors to our City.
My family were impressed with the whole concept and those I know who have visited the museum have thoroughly enjoyed it.
>
I guess some people just don't like museums!! Especially Southampton people!
This just go's to prove a point that when people go on their holidays on a cruise liner, they don't visit the city that they are departing from or returning to, its the call in ports where they tend to visit a city or town and spend there money.
Chas O'Bursledon
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2:17pm Sun 14 Oct 12
freefinker
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2:39pm Sun 14 Oct 12
southy wrote:1) Your first paragraph is just supposition. You have no evidence to back it up.
George4th wrote:Static Museums tend to be for visitors to go to, locals can go when they want and if they want, Traveling Museums tend to bring in more local people to see, because of the short time scale that they are base there.
Well, I guess this story sums up the known apathy of the people of Southampton and why we attract so little in the way of business, culture and entertainment to our City.
>
Plus of course you get the usual excuses and justification trotted out by the "can't be bothered" brigade!
>
The SeaCity Museum is an excellent building and is up for a reasonably prestigious design award and deservedly so. It is especially liked by the young and by many visitors to our City.
My family were impressed with the whole concept and those I know who have visited the museum have thoroughly enjoyed it.
>
I guess some people just don't like museums!! Especially Southampton people!
This just go's to prove a point that when people go on their holidays on a cruise liner, they don't visit the city that they are departing from or returning to, its the call in ports where they tend to visit a city or town and spend there money.
2) Your second paragraph is an illogical conclusion from the first. Again, you have no evidence to back it up.
freefinker
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2:40pm Sun 14 Oct 12
http://www.dailyecho
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You really need to stop telling fibs and lies; and listen to the very few remaining friends you still have left on this site.
Lone Ranger.
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2:43pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Chas O'Bursledon wrote:I think that you may read the article again ......... The Echo reported the facts as given ....... It is not their own statistics that have been used ......
Ok. The Echo has lost the plot. As an ex marketeer I can tell,you that a 15% uptake is phenomenal. As ever journalists are totally detached from the realities of the commercial world. Try doing a proper job before you criticise others for doing theirs.
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Perhaps it is the council thats disappointed !!!.
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Not great response from an ex marketeer ...... perhaps that explains th "ex" .. .
bigal007
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2:52pm Sun 14 Oct 12
mack chinnon
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3:26pm Sun 14 Oct 12
southy
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3:47pm Sun 14 Oct 12
freefinker wrote:Yes well your so blind you could not see the evidence that is right before your eyes and chooce to ignore the evidence.
southy wrote:1) Your first paragraph is just supposition. You have no evidence to back it up.
George4th wrote:Static Museums tend to be for visitors to go to, locals can go when they want and if they want, Traveling Museums tend to bring in more local people to see, because of the short time scale that they are base there.
Well, I guess this story sums up the known apathy of the people of Southampton and why we attract so little in the way of business, culture and entertainment to our City.
>
Plus of course you get the usual excuses and justification trotted out by the "can't be bothered" brigade!
>
The SeaCity Museum is an excellent building and is up for a reasonably prestigious design award and deservedly so. It is especially liked by the young and by many visitors to our City.
My family were impressed with the whole concept and those I know who have visited the museum have thoroughly enjoyed it.
>
I guess some people just don't like museums!! Especially Southampton people!
This just go's to prove a point that when people go on their holidays on a cruise liner, they don't visit the city that they are departing from or returning to, its the call in ports where they tend to visit a city or town and spend there money.
2) Your second paragraph is an illogical conclusion from the first. Again, you have no evidence to back it up.
The evidence is how many Liners passengers have pass though the city since this museum been built.
The traveling Titanic road Museum publish and told the City it was pointless having a static Museum, unless you have Holiday makers staying in the city for a Holiday, people do not hoilday in Southampton they just pass though, Even Liverpool got more from money from one passenger ship just making a call in for 1 day, than what Southampton has since this Museum.
Evidence is not needed what is happening proves the point.
userds5050
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3:47pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Lone Ranger. wrote:They're not just quoting the facts though are they? They're putting a particular spin on the statistics by saying Southampton residents have snubbed the Sea city museum. As Chas points out nearly 15% of the city having visiting the exhibition already is hardly a snub.
Chas O'Bursledon wrote:I think that you may read the article again ......... The Echo reported the facts as given ....... It is not their own statistics that have been used ......
Ok. The Echo has lost the plot. As an ex marketeer I can tell,you that a 15% uptake is phenomenal. As ever journalists are totally detached from the realities of the commercial world. Try doing a proper job before you criticise others for doing theirs.
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Perhaps it is the council thats disappointed !!!.
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Not great response from an ex marketeer ...... perhaps that explains th "ex" .. .
freefinker
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4:48pm Sun 14 Oct 12
southy wrote:.. that's only what YOU say is happening.
freefinker wrote:Yes well your so blind you could not see the evidence that is right before your eyes and chooce to ignore the evidence.
southy wrote:1) Your first paragraph is just supposition. You have no evidence to back it up.
George4th wrote:Static Museums tend to be for visitors to go to, locals can go when they want and if they want, Traveling Museums tend to bring in more local people to see, because of the short time scale that they are base there.
Well, I guess this story sums up the known apathy of the people of Southampton and why we attract so little in the way of business, culture and entertainment to our City.
>
Plus of course you get the usual excuses and justification trotted out by the "can't be bothered" brigade!
>
The SeaCity Museum is an excellent building and is up for a reasonably prestigious design award and deservedly so. It is especially liked by the young and by many visitors to our City.
My family were impressed with the whole concept and those I know who have visited the museum have thoroughly enjoyed it.
>
I guess some people just don't like museums!! Especially Southampton people!
This just go's to prove a point that when people go on their holidays on a cruise liner, they don't visit the city that they are departing from or returning to, its the call in ports where they tend to visit a city or town and spend there money.
2) Your second paragraph is an illogical conclusion from the first. Again, you have no evidence to back it up.
The evidence is how many Liners passengers have pass though the city since this museum been built.
The traveling Titanic road Museum publish and told the City it was pointless having a static Museum, unless you have Holiday makers staying in the city for a Holiday, people do not hoilday in Southampton they just pass though, Even Liverpool got more from money from one passenger ship just making a call in for 1 day, than what Southampton has since this Museum.
Evidence is not needed what is happening proves the point.
Evidence dear boy, evidence.
You do mention the word "evidence" in both your first and second sentence. Then you refute what you have just said by saying "Evidence is not needed .. "
But either way, you don’t produce any, do you?
Paramjit Bahia
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5:31pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Being no marketing expert but only a lay man I suspect the eye sore attached to listed building of Civic Centre is not going to meet projected number of visitors. As even with all the publicity due to opening timed with anniversary of Titanic Tragedy and temptation of free passes during what was supposed to be summer only 83000 people went in, I can't see how that flow could be maintained in winter.
Myths Tories and their supporters on this site tried to spread have now been exposed as fiction. Council had to even sell assets for financing this museum is a shocker.
Tories on this site have often argued that this folly was financed with lottery money and fund raising. But how can they add £4.9 million of loto money to£500,000 from fund raising and come up with figure of £15,000,000-------?
??
I have never been good at math, so am begging for help from clever Tories. PLEASE HELP... or simply own up
loosehead
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5:36pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Hampshire Rose wrote:I went with my wife & there were schools showing children around & don't schools close early on Fridays? why not take them straight after school on a Friday?
It was ludicrous to make these tickets not valid during school holidays. We were frequent visitors to the old maritime museum.
I wonder how many schools in the city would have allowed time off
housewife
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5:36pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Two adults, two children in the school holidays.
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Thank goodness it was free as I'd have been very, very, very **** off if I'd paid £26 for the visit (what were were told on the door was the normal family ticket price).
We learned nothing from the displays,
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The ONLY interesting point was the map of addresses of drowned and surviving crew - FASCINATING - but on the floor so people kept walking on the interesting bits.
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The new build bit is awful - far too much dead space.
Maybe in 15 years they will find a proper use for it.
loosehead
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5:39pm Sun 14 Oct 12
arthur dalyrimple wrote:Totally agree with the Mayflower idea.
the mayflower could be southamptons big earner ,get a replica built and moored and rename this museum the mayflower and advertise in usa.
no matter what some people in this paper say the pilgrim fathers set sail to America from this city not Holland or Plymouth.
the word Plymouth Sound in America is because it was a safe refuge as was Plymouth for the damaged ship to get repairs here.
They set sail from here now let's shout about it.
solomum
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5:40pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Tony in Liberia wrote:You have now. I thought it was really well done and a lovely tribute to the titanic. My children enjoyed it, particularly my youngest who had already been with the school and was very keen to show us around. We did not have free tickets, but I feel it was money well spent. It gave us a real insight into the lives of the passengers and crew.
I went there with a free ticket, and felt I'd overpaid to see it. What a wasted opportunity! It's rubbish, and I haven't found anyone yet who was impressed. What a wasted opportunity ...
ajw1986
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5:58pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Linesman
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6:05pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Dusty wrote:If you were bread in the city, then you should have used your loaf.
I took some friends to the museum, we paid full price as i live just outside of southampton, even though i am born and bread.
Have to say how disappointed i was with it. Nothing of real substance at all and very over priced. I love my history, but this left me wanting.
Yhat's what those who were born and bred in the city did.
Linesman
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6:09pm Sun 14 Oct 12
I did, however, think that it's initial popularity would last for more than a couple of months.
Royston's Folly! What a legacy!
SotonGreen
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6:16pm Sun 14 Oct 12
George4th
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7:43pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"it can be argued that most Soton people are decent honest and intelligent, they can spot gimmicks and do not accept bribes"
Considering what ever a NuLabour councillor's wife may have foul mouthed about people of our City and her husband not objecting to that, and most residents not using free passes to Cllr Hannidies Horror House, it can be argued that most Soton people are decent honest and intelligent, they can spot gimmicks and do not accept bribes.
Being no marketing expert but only a lay man I suspect the eye sore attached to listed building of Civic Centre is not going to meet projected number of visitors. As even with all the publicity due to opening timed with anniversary of Titanic Tragedy and temptation of free passes during what was supposed to be summer only 83000 people went in, I can't see how that flow could be maintained in winter.
Myths Tories and their supporters on this site tried to spread have now been exposed as fiction. Council had to even sell assets for financing this museum is a shocker.
Tories on this site have often argued that this folly was financed with lottery money and fund raising. But how can they add £4.9 million of loto money to£500,000 from fund raising and come up with figure of £15,000,000-------?
??
I have never been good at math, so am begging for help from clever Tories. PLEASE HELP... or simply own up
So how come Labour got elected?!
For those who have visited the Museum the opinions are mostly positive and if you ask the kids who visited, they will tell you it's GREAT!
Paramjit Bahia
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7:48pm Sun 14 Oct 12
SotonGreen wrote:Get elected to City Council, they will offer you plent of junkets on free!
I never received a free ticket so didnt have that option/
st1halo
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7:52pm Sun 14 Oct 12
George4th wrote:Personally, I think the building is hideous and amazing how they got permission to bolt it onto a Listed building. Can we all do that? The fact that it is up for design awards means nothing at all! Wyndham Court next to the train station won awards and has to be one of the ugliest in the city.
Well, I guess this story sums up the known apathy of the people of Southampton and why we attract so little in the way of business, culture and entertainment to our City.
>
Plus of course you get the usual excuses and justification trotted out by the "can't be bothered" brigade!
>
The SeaCity Museum is an excellent building and is up for a reasonably prestigious design award and deservedly so. It is especially liked by the young and by many visitors to our City.
My family were impressed with the whole concept and those I know who have visited the museum have thoroughly enjoyed it.
>
I guess some people just don't like museums!! Especially Southampton people!
Our councils, past and present must be so glad that so many people lost their lives on that tragic day as its been a cash cow for them ever since.
This city has a rich and fascinating history and its very sad that very little of it is demonstrated other than the Titanic disaster. If these councils werent so intent on turning the city into Legoland and concentrated on recreating the old city, perhaps tourism would increase and justify the expense of such museums
Paramjit Bahia
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7:53pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Lone Ranger. wrote:I notice so far usual Tories residents on this site are quite on the subject of source of money spent on this super expensive mill stone their darlings have left dangling around Counci's neck
Well this confirms exactly my postings over recent months.
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Public money was used to prop this ego trip up ........ Despite Smith and co denying it as the money was to be grants etc ........ And they said NO public money would be used...
.
Now which poster said tha if a councillor lied he should resign .... Oh yes Aldermoorboy.
.
Who denied that public money was being used ..... Oh yes loosehead.
.
Strange neither of these have posted yet !!!!.
.
The resident of Southampton to lied to and conned .......... And this will be a millstone around our necks for years to c ome
Paramjit Bahia
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7:58pm Sun 14 Oct 12
freefinker wrote:It was also emailed to him yesterday, so should have read it by now.
.. southy, I do hope you have read what Paramjit Bahia says, 11:51am Fri 12 Oct 12 on this post: -
http://www.dailyecho
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You really need to stop telling fibs and lies; and listen to the very few remaining friends you still have left on this site.
Paramjit Bahia
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8:10pm Sun 14 Oct 12
George4th wrote:At the same time even this thread has comments that some did not think it to be worth it.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"it can be argued that most Soton people are decent honest and intelligent, they can spot gimmicks and do not accept bribes"
Considering what ever a NuLabour councillor's wife may have foul mouthed about people of our City and her husband not objecting to that, and most residents not using free passes to Cllr Hannidies Horror House, it can be argued that most Soton people are decent honest and intelligent, they can spot gimmicks and do not accept bribes.
Being no marketing expert but only a lay man I suspect the eye sore attached to listed building of Civic Centre is not going to meet projected number of visitors. As even with all the publicity due to opening timed with anniversary of Titanic Tragedy and temptation of free passes during what was supposed to be summer only 83000 people went in, I can't see how that flow could be maintained in winter.
Myths Tories and their supporters on this site tried to spread have now been exposed as fiction. Council had to even sell assets for financing this museum is a shocker.
Tories on this site have often argued that this folly was financed with lottery money and fund raising. But how can they add £4.9 million of loto money to£500,000 from fund raising and come up with figure of £15,000,000-------?
??
I have never been good at math, so am begging for help from clever Tories. PLEASE HELP... or simply own up
So how come Labour got elected?!
For those who have visited the Museum the opinions are mostly positive and if you ask the kids who visited, they will tell you it's GREAT!
I and no doubt few others may also be waiting for some pro Tories on this site to explain the magic behind the sums they used to write. Because if this item is correct then it is clear that Council money was spent on this project.
George4th
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8:15pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Paramjit Bahia wrote:The money that was wasted by successive Labour councils is the real history of modern Southampton (I use the term modern loosely!). Labour invested nothing in Southampton and yet spent millions upon millions! Labour only knows how to spend and has no idea how to invest in the future.
Lone Ranger. wrote:I notice so far usual Tories residents on this site are quite on the subject of source of money spent on this super expensive mill stone their darlings have left dangling around Counci's neck
Well this confirms exactly my postings over recent months.
.
Public money was used to prop this ego trip up ........ Despite Smith and co denying it as the money was to be grants etc ........ And they said NO public money would be used...
.
Now which poster said tha if a councillor lied he should resign .... Oh yes Aldermoorboy.
.
Who denied that public money was being used ..... Oh yes loosehead.
.
Strange neither of these have posted yet !!!!.
.
The resident of Southampton to lied to and conned .......... And this will be a millstone around our necks for years to c ome
At least the SeaCity Museum is a viable attempt to inject some interest in a very bland Southampton. It will be a success - it is ON TARGET TO MEET THE TARGET OF 150,000! (83,000 to date is an excellent number!)
Southampton will never attract the young educated and business while Labour and the Unions are in charge. As a result, Southampton will remain devoid of culture, entertainment, business and investment. Heaven help Southampton if the NHS and the Universities pulled out!!
bazzeroz
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8:46pm Sun 14 Oct 12
andysaints007
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8:53pm Sun 14 Oct 12
bogart259 wrote:Tell us why it's a 'non story' then ?
Bit of a none story. Are we bored at Echo Towers?
Please bear in mind that the tickets have to be used by the end of the year. Still haven't used our yet, but fully intend to.
FoysCornerBoy
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8:55pm Sun 14 Oct 12
loosehead wrote:2020 is the 500th anniversary of the pilgrim fathers voyage from our fair city to the new world and it would be great if Southampton could - for once - seize this opportunity to do something really big.
arthur dalyrimple wrote:Totally agree with the Mayflower idea.
the mayflower could be southamptons big earner ,get a replica built and moored and rename this museum the mayflower and advertise in usa.
no matter what some people in this paper say the pilgrim fathers set sail to America from this city not Holland or Plymouth.
the word Plymouth Sound in America is because it was a safe refuge as was Plymouth for the damaged ship to get repairs here.
They set sail from here now let's shout about it.
Personally I was disappointed at how successive City Council political administrations wasted the opportunity to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster in a meaningful or fitting manner. Many local people think that the Sea City museum is a tawdry and ill-conceived commercial exercise that has done little to enhance the City's image at home or abroad.
This contrasts with the approach of cities like Belfast and Liverpool which - despite the enormous political and economic difficulties they have both experienced - clearly understand and connect with their rich cultural heritage and have used this to promote successful economic regeneration.
Plymouth rightly senses an opportunity presented by the 500th anniversary of the pilgrim fathers' sailing to America and their Council is already planning ahead to reap the rewards from this.
Southampton City Council needs to get on board too and join with both Rotterdam and Plymouth (yes with EU funding if possible) so that we can all enjoy the very real benefits on offer to our cities.
loosehead
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9:34pm Sun 14 Oct 12
FoysCornerBoy wrote:So you agree with me then?
loosehead wrote:2020 is the 500th anniversary of the pilgrim fathers voyage from our fair city to the new world and it would be great if Southampton could - for once - seize this opportunity to do something really big.
arthur dalyrimple wrote:Totally agree with the Mayflower idea.
the mayflower could be southamptons big earner ,get a replica built and moored and rename this museum the mayflower and advertise in usa.
no matter what some people in this paper say the pilgrim fathers set sail to America from this city not Holland or Plymouth.
the word Plymouth Sound in America is because it was a safe refuge as was Plymouth for the damaged ship to get repairs here.
They set sail from here now let's shout about it.
Personally I was disappointed at how successive City Council political administrations wasted the opportunity to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster in a meaningful or fitting manner. Many local people think that the Sea City museum is a tawdry and ill-conceived commercial exercise that has done little to enhance the City's image at home or abroad.
This contrasts with the approach of cities like Belfast and Liverpool which - despite the enormous political and economic difficulties they have both experienced - clearly understand and connect with their rich cultural heritage and have used this to promote successful economic regeneration.
Plymouth rightly senses an opportunity presented by the 500th anniversary of the pilgrim fathers' sailing to America and their Council is already planning ahead to reap the rewards from this.
Southampton City Council needs to get on board too and join with both Rotterdam and Plymouth (yes with EU funding if possible) so that we can all enjoy the very real benefits on offer to our cities.
dolomiteman
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10:34pm Sun 14 Oct 12
South101 wrote:Same here, tickets not receieved.
We never received our free tickets, when contacting the council we were informed that it was Royal Mail's fault and there was nothing they would do to re issue. From the sounds of it we weren't the only ones this had happened too.
Over the Edge
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11:53pm Sun 14 Oct 12
AdamSFC
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11:56pm Sun 14 Oct 12
Linesman wrote:But what if he didn't have the dough??
Dusty wrote:If you were bread in the city, then you should have used your loaf.
I took some friends to the museum, we paid full price as i live just outside of southampton, even though i am born and bread.
Have to say how disappointed i was with it. Nothing of real substance at all and very over priced. I love my history, but this left me wanting.
Yhat's what those who were born and bred in the city did.
FoysCornerBoy
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1:21am Mon 15 Oct 12
loosehead wrote:Thanks, citizen. I'm not entirely sure of your point but I would be really up for something that makes Southampton look a bit less provincial than many people on this site tend to make us. Judging from what I've seen so far from the Echo we still have quite a long way to go.
FoysCornerBoy wrote:So you agree with me then?
loosehead wrote:2020 is the 500th anniversary of the pilgrim fathers voyage from our fair city to the new world and it would be great if Southampton could - for once - seize this opportunity to do something really big.
arthur dalyrimple wrote:Totally agree with the Mayflower idea.
the mayflower could be southamptons big earner ,get a replica built and moored and rename this museum the mayflower and advertise in usa.
no matter what some people in this paper say the pilgrim fathers set sail to America from this city not Holland or Plymouth.
the word Plymouth Sound in America is because it was a safe refuge as was Plymouth for the damaged ship to get repairs here.
They set sail from here now let's shout about it.
Personally I was disappointed at how successive City Council political administrations wasted the opportunity to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Titanic disaster in a meaningful or fitting manner. Many local people think that the Sea City museum is a tawdry and ill-conceived commercial exercise that has done little to enhance the City's image at home or abroad.
This contrasts with the approach of cities like Belfast and Liverpool which - despite the enormous political and economic difficulties they have both experienced - clearly understand and connect with their rich cultural heritage and have used this to promote successful economic regeneration.
Plymouth rightly senses an opportunity presented by the 500th anniversary of the pilgrim fathers' sailing to America and their Council is already planning ahead to reap the rewards from this.
Southampton City Council needs to get on board too and join with both Rotterdam and Plymouth (yes with EU funding if possible) so that we can all enjoy the very real benefits on offer to our cities.
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3:21am Mon 15 Oct 12
Linesman wrote:You plonker, ok i made a spelling mistake and you trying to be clever and pompous, try to ridicule and belittle, while making your very own spelling mistake, lol>>>>>Yhat's
Dusty wrote:If you were bread in the city, then you should have used your loaf.
I took some friends to the museum, we paid full price as i live just outside of southampton, even though i am born and bread.
Have to say how disappointed i was with it. Nothing of real substance at all and very over priced. I love my history, but this left me wanting.
Yhat's what those who were born and bred in the city did.
Are you one of those people that have no friends in the real world?
Lone Ranger.
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8:07am Mon 15 Oct 12
George4th wrote:Typical Tory attitude ............ In defence of the lies and spin from a poor and ineffective Tory Council all you do is blame pevious administrations knowing all along that this is not the answer.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:The money that was wasted by successive Labour councils is the real history of modern Southampton (I use the term modern loosely!). Labour invested nothing in Southampton and yet spent millions upon millions! Labour only knows how to spend and has no idea how to invest in the future.
Lone Ranger. wrote:I notice so far usual Tories residents on this site are quite on the subject of source of money spent on this super expensive mill stone their darlings have left dangling around Counci's neck
Well this confirms exactly my postings over recent months.
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Public money was used to prop this ego trip up ........ Despite Smith and co denying it as the money was to be grants etc ........ And they said NO public money would be used...
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Now which poster said tha if a councillor lied he should resign .... Oh yes Aldermoorboy.
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Who denied that public money was being used ..... Oh yes loosehead.
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Strange neither of these have posted yet !!!!.
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The resident of Southampton to lied to and conned .......... And this will be a millstone around our necks for years to c ome
At least the SeaCity Museum is a viable attempt to inject some interest in a very bland Southampton. It will be a success - it is ON TARGET TO MEET THE TARGET OF 150,000! (83,000 to date is an excellent number!)
Southampton will never attract the young educated and business while Labour and the Unions are in charge. As a result, Southampton will remain devoid of culture, entertainment, business and investment. Heaven help Southampton if the NHS and the Universities pulled out!!
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Smith and his chums lied ...... They promised NO public money would be used ........ and PROVEN now that it was ............ You still offer NO defence
stay local
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8:15am Mon 15 Oct 12
southy wrote:What a classic statement Southy. It is fantastic how you can argue against yourself in so short a reply. It is a change for you to not need evidence, normally your claim is to go to the library and look it up. Yet when given details of multi paged multi agency reports you claim higher evidence, Only known to the secret inner core of elite such as your self (hardly an egalitarian view point). Alternatively to have it from someone in the know (a man you met fishing on the bridge at Redbridge who has a red escort)
freefinker wrote:Yes well your so blind you could not see the evidence that is right before your eyes and chooce to ignore the evidence.
southy wrote:1) Your first paragraph is just supposition. You have no evidence to back it up.
George4th wrote:Static Museums tend to be for visitors to go to, locals can go when they want and if they want, Traveling Museums tend to bring in more local people to see, because of the short time scale that they are base there.
Well, I guess this story sums up the known apathy of the people of Southampton and why we attract so little in the way of business, culture and entertainment to our City.
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Plus of course you get the usual excuses and justification trotted out by the "can't be bothered" brigade!
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The SeaCity Museum is an excellent building and is up for a reasonably prestigious design award and deservedly so. It is especially liked by the young and by many visitors to our City.
My family were impressed with the whole concept and those I know who have visited the museum have thoroughly enjoyed it.
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I guess some people just don't like museums!! Especially Southampton people!
This just go's to prove a point that when people go on their holidays on a cruise liner, they don't visit the city that they are departing from or returning to, its the call in ports where they tend to visit a city or town and spend there money.
2) Your second paragraph is an illogical conclusion from the first. Again, you have no evidence to back it up.
The evidence is how many Liners passengers have pass though the city since this museum been built.
The traveling Titanic road Museum publish and told the City it was pointless having a static Museum, unless you have Holiday makers staying in the city for a Holiday, people do not hoilday in Southampton they just pass though, Even Liverpool got more from money from one passenger ship just making a call in for 1 day, than what Southampton has since this Museum.
Evidence is not needed what is happening proves the point.
Please keep posting your drivel as it brightens my day, I get daily amusement from your delusions, sadly even those who offered you a modicum of support are now seeing that you only able to offer comedic valve to discussions.
I am glad you are representing the TUSC as I am sure your internet profile will influence the voters at the next election. However I feel your next foray into politics will only seek to divide the votes for the monster raving loony party.
Taskforce 141
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8:32am Mon 15 Oct 12
Southampton has been stitched up again.
OSPREYSAINT
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8:38am Mon 15 Oct 12
OSPREYSAINT
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8:41am Mon 15 Oct 12
Taskforce 141 wrote:Stick to your laptop then, virtual Museums are available.
If you havent been to the Sea City Museum - DON'T!!! - what a crock of s**t. Tedious links to Titanic, next to no actual exhibits, had i paid for entry i would have demanded a refund.
Southampton has been stitched up again.
OSPREYSAINT
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8:47am Mon 15 Oct 12
dolomiteman wrote:Should have got Loosehead on the task, he is the expert at leaflet distribution.
South101 wrote:Same here, tickets not receieved.
We never received our free tickets, when contacting the council we were informed that it was Royal Mail's fault and there was nothing they would do to re issue. From the sounds of it we weren't the only ones this had happened too.
OSPREYSAINT
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8:54am Mon 15 Oct 12
Linesman wrote:Crumbs, make a spelling mistake and you are toast on here! The Spelling and Grammar Police are here to help with free education, learn for nothing, there is a comprehensive No Money Back Guarantee with every lesson. If you choose to ignor it, you do so at your own discretion.
Dusty wrote:If you were bread in the city, then you should have used your loaf.
I took some friends to the museum, we paid full price as i live just outside of southampton, even though i am born and bread.
Have to say how disappointed i was with it. Nothing of real substance at all and very over priced. I love my history, but this left me wanting.
Yhat's what those who were born and bred in the city did.
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9:30am Mon 15 Oct 12
South101 wrote:Exactly what I was told - would not re-issue tickets. Makes me wonder if they were ever issued in the first place...
We never received our free tickets, when contacting the council we were informed that it was Royal Mail's fault and there was nothing they would do to re issue. From the sounds of it we weren't the only ones this had happened too.
allison.luella
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10:24am Mon 15 Oct 12
It was about time we citizens of Southampton got something back from this council!!
Notice how it was a conservative council and not a labour one who actually thought about its citizens!! x
sotonboy84
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11:27am Mon 15 Oct 12
st1halo wrote:Not just sticking that modern bit onto a Grade II* listed building but sticking those things on the roof, cutting away the stone steps to the entrance and removing the glass 'police' names from the lamps at either end of this side of the building. Disabled access/main access could have been provided in the modern part and the steps could have stayed. The glass signs are original to the building and integral to its history so should be replaced. I don't think the modern building is at all attractive and really damages the look of the original building and by taking away the steps has destroyed a once grand entrance and made this side of the building a complete eyesore.
George4th wrote: Well, I guess this story sums up the known apathy of the people of Southampton and why we attract so little in the way of business, culture and entertainment to our City. > Plus of course you get the usual excuses and justification trotted out by the "can't be bothered" brigade! > The SeaCity Museum is an excellent building and is up for a reasonably prestigious design award and deservedly so. It is especially liked by the young and by many visitors to our City. My family were impressed with the whole concept and those I know who have visited the museum have thoroughly enjoyed it. > I guess some people just don't like museums!! Especially Southampton people!Personally, I think the building is hideous and amazing how they got permission to bolt it onto a Listed building. Can we all do that? The fact that it is up for design awards means nothing at all! Wyndham Court next to the train station won awards and has to be one of the ugliest in the city. Our councils, past and present must be so glad that so many people lost their lives on that tragic day as its been a cash cow for them ever since. This city has a rich and fascinating history and its very sad that very little of it is demonstrated other than the Titanic disaster. If these councils werent so intent on turning the city into Legoland and concentrated on recreating the old city, perhaps tourism would increase and justify the expense of such museums
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11:31am Mon 15 Oct 12
George4th wrote:That may be correct, but how many are visiting?
Paramjit Bahia wrote:"it can be argued that most Soton people are decent honest and intelligent, they can spot gimmicks and do not accept bribes"
Considering what ever a NuLabour councillor's wife may have foul mouthed about people of our City and her husband not objecting to that, and most residents not using free passes to Cllr Hannidies Horror House, it can be argued that most Soton people are decent honest and intelligent, they can spot gimmicks and do not accept bribes.
Being no marketing expert but only a lay man I suspect the eye sore attached to listed building of Civic Centre is not going to meet projected number of visitors. As even with all the publicity due to opening timed with anniversary of Titanic Tragedy and temptation of free passes during what was supposed to be summer only 83000 people went in, I can't see how that flow could be maintained in winter.
Myths Tories and their supporters on this site tried to spread have now been exposed as fiction. Council had to even sell assets for financing this museum is a shocker.
Tories on this site have often argued that this folly was financed with lottery money and fund raising. But how can they add £4.9 million of loto money to£500,000 from fund raising and come up with figure of £15,000,000-------?
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I have never been good at math, so am begging for help from clever Tories. PLEASE HELP... or simply own up
So how come Labour got elected?!
For those who have visited the Museum the opinions are mostly positive and if you ask the kids who visited, they will tell you it's GREAT!
If only a few, and they say it is great, that does not make any difference to the balance sheet, especially if the majority of that few are ones that have visited because they had a free ticket.
Lone Ranger.
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2:57pm Mon 15 Oct 12
allison.luella wrote:You didnt get anything back ....... YOU paid for it out of the public money that was to to prop this up
itook the opportunity to go and thought it really good, stop being so negative will you!!
It was about time we citizens of Southampton got something back from this council!!
Notice how it was a conservative council and not a labour one who actually thought about its citizens!! x
mansak_hunt says...
8:50am Sun 14 Oct 12