Calls for council leader to resign (From Daily Echo)

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

HillsidePaul wrote:
Since the echo investigation makes it clear that Cllr Morrell Also colluded in the "lie" why are they not demanding he resign as well?

Surely it couldn't be political bias by the reporter and the editor?

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.

On the inside wrote:
Who runs this city. Elected politicians or some slaphead editor who does not even live in it!

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.

Perhaps you should read the Echo a bit more rather than just continually defending your dear blue incompetent Tory party. Its all there in black and white
.
And to give you a chance to "judge" .... Who the hell do you think you are ??

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Smart Bomb wrote:
He was elected with a lie-ridden manifesto. Why is he being attacked for just being consistant?

We got what we deserved. Still, City will be run by a Government Administrator soon.

redsnapper wrote:
Politicians ugh!!

They,re all in together and screw the rest of us.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

southy wrote:

redsnapper wrote:
Politicians ugh!!

They,re all in together and screw the rest of us.

The top 3 political partys are all in it together, have been now for a good 25 years.
There is no real difference between them, they are all offering the same thing.
The TUSC did point out what both the Torys and Labour Policys ment to the people way before the Election, and the difference is that the Torys was going to lose 100 jobs more than Labour, the Torys was going to do a fasy hit while Labour was going to do it slowly and hope on the number that would leave there post and not replace them. just to soften the blow.

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.

Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years.
Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Give up you IDIOT.
You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government?
You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did?
Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here?
you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Give up you IDIOT.
You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government?
You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did?
Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here?
you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?

It was not just 2 loose there was more involved.

And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Give up you IDIOT. You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government? You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did? Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here? you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?

It was not just 2 loose there was more involved. And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them

Come on then, out with it! I'm sure the relatives of the man that died would want to know the whole truth behind his death.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.

Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years.
Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.

These are your words:

'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.'

As you implied, as you brought it up:

'The Government interfered with the full story'.

That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'.

Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please.

Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

southy wrote:
Any way back to the artical, Williams should resign as leader of the Labour and Council, but this do not mean he will lose his Councillor job, I think a few of you are hoping for a Council by-election this will not happen, all that will happen is he would lose his leadership but stays as a councillor till that is his term off office as come to an end and if its not all blown over by then he will get replace at that election.

Over the Edge wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.

Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out.

Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign.

Local Labour Disgruntled

southy wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.

Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out.

Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign.

Local Labour Disgruntled

the 5 million from Crawley council was for to fight the Unions, not for the sea museum, The hire of out side contractors and to cover the cost any court action.
The thing is that Williams let things slip out way before the elections, Labour Councillors cross the picket line when there was a national public service strike on, it was only Keith and Don that attended every single demo and rally that the Unions had in Southampton showing there support.
Yes Williams should go as leader but theres nothing can be done about him being a councillor that bit will be down to him weather if he stays as a councillor or not.

cherrypi wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

So here's the Lone Ranger being first with the defence of Labour's shady Councillors ... again!!!! by deflecting attention from the truth. Personally, as a life long Labour supporter, I feel betrayed by the bunch who have been voted in who have proved themselves to be deceitful and self serving. Perhaps Cllr Thorpe has been giving advice on tactics to Cllr Williams?

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.

Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out.

Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign.

Local Labour Disgruntled

the 5 million from Crawley council was for to fight the Unions, not for the sea museum, The hire of out side contractors and to cover the cost any court action.
The thing is that Williams let things slip out way before the elections, Labour Councillors cross the picket line when there was a national public service strike on, it was only Keith and Don that attended every single demo and rally that the Unions had in Southampton showing there support.
Yes Williams should go as leader but theres nothing can be done about him being a councillor that bit will be down to him weather if he stays as a councillor or not.

Another councillor told me that the £5 million was borrowed for that purpose, if it was to fight the unions in court (which wasn't needed) why are SCC paying Crawley back?

If he stays as a Councillor he stays but he lied as leader and should resign for that alone.

Likesadrink wrote:
I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign.

On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week!

Likesadrink wrote:
Southy, I too am desperate to hear the truth. Seems to me like these other idiots merely think you are hiding behind the "25 years" thing because you completely made it up as you hate the idea of a Tory councillor acting selflessly in a situation where many (myself included) would have either froze or completely bottled it. If you know the true story there is no (or very limited) censorship on this site, say what happened. If it was your kid killed on that ship wouldn't you want to know? You allude to "more than 2", that's fine, detail it - did an officer help Smith disable the chap, or did Smith cower in a corner (like I probably would) whilst others got stuck in and after said "do you mind if I get the credit for this, using that young murdered lads death could get me some votes", the crew and whitehall decided, "hell why not" and went ahead not expecting any sort of investigation? I'm genuinely fascinated as to what happened, but more importantly the family of the victim will be more than fascinated, I would imagine they would be very worried. I can do some research and put them in touch with you maybe?

Likesadrink wrote:
I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign.

On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week!

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

Shoong wrote:

Likesadrink wrote:
I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign.

On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week!

I must confess I haven't really had time to catch up on the commissioner election yet, can you let me know what lies you allude to? I'd be interested to know.

southy wrote:

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.

It started with this by Loosehead
"The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?"
Then rolled on to this by Shoong
"Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."

Likesadrink wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Likesadrink wrote:
I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign.

On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week!

I must confess I haven't really had time to catch up on the commissioner election yet, can you let me know what lies you allude to? I'd be interested to know.

Link here: http://www.private-e

ye.co.uk/sections.ph

p?section_link=hp_sa

uce&issue=1325

Other available on BBC website. Basically he was a mate of a fraudster and got kicked out of office for it - to be fair I keep some "interesting" company at times and a mate's a mate so no problem there. Real issue is pocketing cash from sale of Dolphin House and (unlike other MP's) hasn't disclosed how much he got and refused to return any of it. His only defence is receiving advice in a meeting that was never documented or recorded. Got out of dodge just before the expenses scandal kicked in so has never been properly held to account.

By the way, if he was Labour or Lib dem I'd say the same, I thought Margeret Beckett should've been booted out of Westminster as soon as she walked out the BBC question time studio when defending her right to claim tax payer allowances for hanging baskets!

southy wrote:

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.

It started with this by Loosehead
"The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?"
Then rolled on to this by Shoong
"Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

miltonarcher wrote:
Why are we surprised at this shambles? Look at what Brown, Balls and Blair did to the economy, biggest deficit in Europe that we are all now having to pay for.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.

Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years.
Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.

These are your words:

'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.'

As you implied, as you brought it up:

'The Government interfered with the full story'.

That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'.

Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please.

Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.

It implies to you only and maybe the few that think like you, what happens on a RN vessel is a matter of state, and the state got involved right away, Smithy knows what I mean he would of signed the same artical as me, when he joined the RAF.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

Yes, but if it wasn't for Ascension Island we would have been pretty stuffed for refuelling wouldn't we?

Operation Black Buck for example would have been impossible without the island or the staff that manned it, so they where fully involved in the war effort.

So what you're saying is that the men who manned the Ascension (note the correct spelling) didn't contribute to the Falklands War then? So, what are they, cowards who hid on the island?

I don't know exactly what Royston Smith did during the Falklands War, but to belittle all the staff stationed there just for your own spin is rather disgraceful.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.

It started with this by Loosehead
"The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?"
Then rolled on to this by Shoong
"Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."

And then you Dear Southy decided to put your ore in!!!

Linesman wrote:
I find it a trifle ironic that Royston Smith should be calling on anyone to resign. He was called upon to resign many a time, but did not. He waited until the electorate removed him from power.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.

It started with this by Loosehead
"The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?"
Then rolled on to this by Shoong
"Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."

And then you Dear Southy decided to put your ore in!!!

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Give up you IDIOT.
You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government?
You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did?
Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here?
you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?

It was not just 2 loose there was more involved.

And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them

fishfinger29 wrote:
Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I find it a trifle ironic that Royston Smith should be calling on anyone to resign. He was called upon to resign many a time, but did not. He waited until the electorate removed him from power.

Very true Lines

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

Over the Edge wrote:

miltonarcher wrote:
Why are we surprised at this shambles? Look at what Brown, Balls and Blair did to the economy, biggest deficit in Europe that we are all now having to pay for.

Did any of those 3 Labour politician have anything to with the economies of Greece, Spain, Italy or the Eire? No they didn't.

I suppose those countries are skint because of the last Labour Government of the UK?

Brown's economic policy was welcomed and supported by the Tories (CaMoron) and that other shower, when passed in the house of commons.

This lot will lose us our triple a rating, then we can look forward to an economy like Spain's Greece's Italy's and Eire's.

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

Yes, but if it wasn't for Ascension Island we would have been pretty stuffed for refuelling wouldn't we?

Operation Black Buck for example would have been impossible without the island or the staff that manned it, so they where fully involved in the war effort.

So what you're saying is that the men who manned the Ascension (note the correct spelling) didn't contribute to the Falklands War then? So, what are they, cowards who hid on the island?

I don't know exactly what Royston Smith did during the Falklands War, but to belittle all the staff stationed there just for your own spin is rather disgraceful.

Black buck would of gone ahead with or with out Ascension RAF air base, its just that base is shared with the Americans was why it was used, and not one off the other Atlantic Islands that are closer that are known as the islanders.
Smith was an engineer in the RAF, the Black Buck operations of the Vulcan bombers that was a different Squadron, Smith was with the Airborne Radar Squadron.
Do that help you a little, refuling can be done in the air.

loosehead wrote:

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.

Bobby this is where it all started.
Lone Ranger. says...
10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12

IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar.
At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.

Bobby this is where it all started.
Lone Ranger. says...
10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12

IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar.
At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?

But you bought up about the sub first losse not lone, lone was questioning about the museum, when the Troys was saying that it will not come out of the public purse, and that was before any ground work building had even started, but it endded up it did come out of the public purse.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote: Any way back to the artical, Williams should resign as leader of the Labour and Council, but this do not mean he will lose his Councillor job, I think a few of you are hoping for a Council by-election this will not happen, all that will happen is he would lose his leadership but stays as a councillor till that is his term off office as come to an end and if its not all blown over by then he will get replace at that election.

'Anyway, back to the article..' Did it suddenly hit home that you should have kept it shut on this one? Because you just made it up? So we only have to wait 25 years to find out if you are full of it or not then? You'll excuse me if I don't and assume you said something very silly which hopefully you regret. Propaganda and spin, you should be getting in contact with the RN officer who died and letting his family know.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.

Bobby this is where it all started.
Lone Ranger. says...
10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12

IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar.
At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?

But you bought up about the sub first losse not lone, lone was questioning about the museum, when the Troys was saying that it will not come out of the public purse, and that was before any ground work building had even started, but it endded up it did come out of the public purse.

Southy he was questioning the two conservative councillors honesty & I remember those who came out with the sick accusations about PR stunts & how the hell can you defend this Lying Labour council please Southy get your priorities right & attack the liars

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.

They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.

They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.

Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself.

Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox.

You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.

They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.

Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself.

Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox.

You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.

No Shoong its just you, maybe if you joined the arm or semi arm forces (government services) then you would know what is going on and you would have contacts and you who know where to look, you have not you chose to have an easy life.
But hey keep digging at me my popularity is going up. love it when you had a feeble attemp at me at buying tobacco under the counter the whole shop where I get my tobacco was laughing at you, and if I was you I would stay hiden behind your site name your being a great help in getting the TUSC name about

loosehead wrote:

fishfinger29 wrote:
Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.

So come on exactly what lies did Royston tell?

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.

Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

fishfinger29 wrote:
Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.

So come on exactly what lies did Royston tell?

You never listen or understand it when anyone does tell you.
.
Anyone that tried to convince you of ANYTHING would be wasteing their time, ink or breath.
.
As proven on several occasions just recently ...... You are a total hypocrite

aldermoorboy wrote:
1/.Williams should do the honourable thing.
2/.Rayment appears to have known about the entire situation, how can she stand for police commissioner?
3/. All senior Labour Councillors should consider their positions for corrupting the new young Councillors.
4/.How many in Labour knew about this scandal, did our MP's know?
5/. As Labour misled the public at the last election, should the public have new elections now?

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.

Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.

Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.

Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.

Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"

.. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock.

I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.

They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.

Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself.

Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox.

You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.

Nicole23 wrote:
They lied to get elected in the first place, what did you expect from the party with no class or morals.

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone

Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.

Perhaps you should read the Echo a bit more rather than just continually defending your dear blue incompetent Tory party. Its all there in black and white
.
And to give you a chance to "judge" .... Who the hell do you think you are ??

Oh dear...

'Judge' as in to see for ourselves to so we can make our own minds up. Because, I'm not going to just take your word for it.

I'm not sure what you are seeing in my previous post, all I wanted to know is what these lies are. You might be right.
I'm not defending anyone, there was nothing in my previous post to indicate any type of defence and I was also querying really what the Sea Museum was to do with this particular story.

Well, I suppose if the roles were reversed here, you would be screaming from the rooftops and preparing a noose.

Is your inclusion of 'IF!!!' a defence of Cllr Williams then? I suppose if the wheels ever do actually turn on this one and Cllr Williams has been found to have lied (or should that be mis-lead? Everyone seems to think they are different, I don't), will you come out and defend him?

james47 wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.

You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.

They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.

Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself.

Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox.

You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.

this is by far the best post I have ever seen...I am laughing so hard my sides hurt right now....

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.

Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.

Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"

.. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock.

I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.

Go to youtube the bbc interview is on there, and it Kinnock, it is also in her autobiography book and again its kinnock.
What she said about Gorbachev was that man is trying to make changes, weather for the better or worse we will wait and see.

Tell it as I see it wrote:
Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring.

Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise.

With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security.

What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.

southy wrote:

Tell it as I see it wrote:
Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring.

Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise.

With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security.

What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.

Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key.
And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.

southy wrote:

Tell it as I see it wrote:
Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring.

Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise.

With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security.

What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.

Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key.
And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.

Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.

Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"

.. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock.

I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.

Linesman wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.

Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.

Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"

.. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock.

I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.

She also said it about Ronald Regan, and we know his mental state.

southy wrote:
Any way those of you going to London tomorrow for the mass Demo March and Rally have a good day out.

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?

Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.

You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.

Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.

Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years.
Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.

These are your words:

'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.'

As you implied, as you brought it up:

'The Government interfered with the full story'.

That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'.

Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please.

Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.

It implies to you only and maybe the few that think like you, what happens on a RN vessel is a matter of state, and the state got involved right away, Smithy knows what I mean he would of signed the same artical as me, when he joined the RAF.

southy wrote:

Tell it as I see it wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.

Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.

Tell it as I see it wrote:

southy wrote:

Tell it as I see it wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.

Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.

Southy,
Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.

FoysCornerBoy wrote:

southy wrote:

Tell it as I see it wrote:
Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring.

Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise.

With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security.

What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.

Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key.
And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.

I've become intrigued. Can anyone enlighten me as to the actual sequence of events on the day in question? Who did what and when? Who actually disarmed the perpetrator? Who took overall responsibility for managing the news story?

southy wrote:

Tell it as I see it wrote:

southy wrote:

Tell it as I see it wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.

Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.

Southy,
Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.

No mystery, its just the way it is, The Navy can get all that the police find out, but the police can only ask the navy, and its down to the navy what they release at the time.
Yes it was a visit off not just civic dignitaries, others to there was school kids about also on that day. but the navy do put any vessel under watchful eyes more so when not in a RN port and they would of joined the sub at the last change. there was a change at the time the sub moored along side.

cantthinkofone wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.

HillsidePaul wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.

Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.

cantthinkofone wrote:

HillsidePaul wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.

Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.

I beg to differ. The terms "Uncle Tom" and "Coconut" that he's used on this very site - and refused to apologise for - are most certainly racist.

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

HillsidePaul wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Stillness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx

I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.

Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.

I beg to differ. The terms "Uncle Tom" and "Coconut" that he's used on this very site - and refused to apologise for - are most certainly racist.

Like the term that natives of north america use the term "apple" meaning red on the out side but white on the inside, think your find that coconut as the same term of meaning its not being rascist but descriptive.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Tell it as I see it wrote:

southy wrote:

Tell it as I see it wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.

Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.

Southy,
Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.

No mystery, its just the way it is, The Navy can get all that the police find out, but the police can only ask the navy, and its down to the navy what they release at the time.
Yes it was a visit off not just civic dignitaries, others to there was school kids about also on that day. but the navy do put any vessel under watchful eyes more so when not in a RN port and they would of joined the sub at the last change. there was a change at the time the sub moored along side.

So you're saying in a civilian port civilian police wouldn't have been involved?
So every time we as a squadron went on any exercise the RMP's would have had to come with us?
In a Military Port shore patrol/RMP's would have arrested him & I think it's Colchester Military prison or the Navy equivalent he could have been held in.
but this was a Civvy Port & Civvies were involved so CIVVY police would have held investigations so are you Southy calling them Corrupt?
Do yourself a favour stop attacking Royston & the Tory party & show the people you are an alternative to this lying Labour council.
Southy thank you for what you've said to Lone Ranger but don't worry the guy can't see the truth when it's staring him in the face he just calls people names

southy wrote:
Free wrong one, the one to look for is in the second part of a bbc interview at the shepardbush, where she got up and walk out because question was ask that she did not arthorise to be ask.

IronLady2010 wrote:
I've read through the posts and can only say; is it wise to get rid of Williams at this point? I mean, he's only just started, let's see his full potential. If he goes, who will take his place. We have to make the most of what we've got, which isn't a lot.

Keep him so Tax Payers can see the true side of Labour. No doubt more things will turn up.

aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.

Are you completely crackers.
.
Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up.
.
How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts

aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.

Are you completely crackers.
.
Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up.
.
How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts

Would you please refrain from making these insults or does it make you feel like a big man?
Ed Milliband who has said there will be cuts is to address a meeting against cuts?
Will he lie & agree with them or will he be honest & get jeered at?
Lone Ranger you're a liar & a total tool you have had it explained to you about the funding of the Sea City Museum but when ever you try to defend this lying council you bring up the same lies why?
Yet you continue to call me a hypocrite please explain to me about what am I being hypocritical about?
If a sensible person points out that I'm wrong about a subject I will apologise & admit I'm wrong when oh When have you ever done that?
You are so blinkered & have such a limited IQ you can't see the truth even when it's shoved under you're nose.
Now you have the cheek to attack people who can see the truth about me.
When have you been shafted by a shop steward? when have you been used by a Union convenor to get his mates a promotion at your expense?
Labour/Unions these are all people who look after number1 & **** any one that gets in their way.
Wait until those decent refuse workers end up on the dole oh! sorry they won't be able to claim the dole as they weren't made redundant were they?
I was pro jobs so pro pay cuts yet you can't see that because your nose is to close to your bottom isn't it?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.

Are you completely crackers.
.
Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up.
.
How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts

Would you please refrain from making these insults or does it make you feel like a big man?
Ed Milliband who has said there will be cuts is to address a meeting against cuts?
Will he lie & agree with them or will he be honest & get jeered at?
Lone Ranger you're a liar & a total tool you have had it explained to you about the funding of the Sea City Museum but when ever you try to defend this lying council you bring up the same lies why?
Yet you continue to call me a hypocrite please explain to me about what am I being hypocritical about?
If a sensible person points out that I'm wrong about a subject I will apologise & admit I'm wrong when oh When have you ever done that?
You are so blinkered & have such a limited IQ you can't see the truth even when it's shoved under you're nose.
Now you have the cheek to attack people who can see the truth about me.
When have you been shafted by a shop steward? when have you been used by a Union convenor to get his mates a promotion at your expense?
Labour/Unions these are all people who look after number1 & **** any one that gets in their way.
Wait until those decent refuse workers end up on the dole oh! sorry they won't be able to claim the dole as they weren't made redundant were they?
I was pro jobs so pro pay cuts yet you can't see that because your nose is to close to your bottom isn't it?

Please dont attempt to explain awat the taxpayeres millions that went into the Sea Museum.
.
I say again ......... You are a Hypocrite.