Opponents call for Richard Williams to resign after Daily Echo investigation

Daily Echo: Under pressure: Council leader Richard Williams Under pressure: Council leader Richard Williams

The leader of Southampton City Council today faces fresh calls to resign after new evidence has emerged that he knowingly misled the public over the resignation of a Cabinet member to avoid political embarrassment.

Previously unpublished email correspondence obtained by the Daily Echo shatters claims by council leader Richard Williams that his efficiency tsar Keith Morrell told him he had to quit due to ill health – when in fact he was fighting fit and had resigned on policy grounds.

And the Daily Echo can reveal the city’s Labour councillors all knew their leader had given misleading statements about the reasons for Mr Morrell’s departure when they supported their leader in an unprecedented vote of no confidence brought by opposition Tories for “bringing the council into disrepute”.

A copy of Cllr Morrell’s resignation letter to Cllr Williams, published for the first time today, makes clear the leader knew health concerns played no part in Cllr Morrell’s decision to quit.

‘Fiction’ And yet Cllr Williams requested council spin doctors issue a statement to thousands of council staff and media saying Cabinet member Cllr Morrell had “stepped down due to ill health”.

Despite Cllr Morrell himself later admitting he was in fine health and it was a “fiction” agreed at Cllr Williams’s suggestion to avoid a political storm over a policy split, Cllr Williams has repeatedly insisted councillor Cllr Morrell cited health reasons for his resignation.

Opposition Tory leader Royston Smith said today: “The email is crystal clear. Keith Morrell did not leave for health reasons.

“Councillor Williams instructed the city council’s communications department to create and release a statement to the media which he knew to be untrue.

“Councillor Williams lied and he encouraged others to lie on his behalf. After being given the opportunity to either clear his name or apologise for his behaviour, he chose to do neither.

“He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.”

Liberal Democrat group leader Adrian Vinson said Cllr Williams’s judgement had been called into question on “all counts” and added: “The leader of the council’s credibility is in tatters. The emperor has been shown to have no clothes and his party to be thin on principle.”

Cllr Morrell came clean within days of the council statement being issued after friends and family grew concerned for his welfare.

But Cllr Williams continued to deny Cllr Morrell gave any other reason than health for his resignation and failed to address the contradictions in their respective accounts when opposition Conservatives brought a motion of no confidence vote to remove Cllr Williams as leader.

Given the opportunity to explain himself in the council chamber, Cllr Williams said he regretted the emergency meeting had even been called, saying it was a waste of council time and money.

Cllr Williams “acknowledged that mistakes were made in the way the issue was handled, especially with respect to its communication” and said the council statement released in his name was based on information “from a number of third parties and produced in good faith”.

The Daily Echo can also reveal that council officials refused to release a copy of Cllr Morrell’s resignation letter, saying discussions of political appointments between councillors were not covered by the Freedom of Information Act.

However, internal emails disclosed to the Echo reveal the communications department was concerned about accusations they had “been duped into issuing false statements”.

Media manager Sharon Watson said the press office had been put in a “very uncomfortable” position.

Further emails reveal that Labour’s housing and leisure boss Councillor Warwick Payne, a former journalist, sent confidential emails to Labour colleagues advising them how the Freedom of Information Act works, and how correspondence should be worded to avoid being potentially disclosed under the Act.

The copy of Cllr Morrell’s resignation letter was eventually circulated to Labour councillors by their chief whip who feared its imminent release ahead of the crucial motion of no confidence.

‘Sore losers’ In the council meeting Cllr Williams’s deputy, Councillor Jacqui Rayment, who signed off Cllr Williams’s media statement for release, apologised for “not paying enough attention to the wording” but insisted it was “correct” at the time.

Other Labour councillors one by one stood up to praise Cllr Williams as a leader while not addressing the Morrell issue, calling it an unnecessary distraction. Cllr Payne accused Tories of being “sore losers” after getting thumped in local elections in May.

Daily Echo: Keith Morrell

In his resignation letter Cllr Morrell (above), a 63-year-old accountant and lifetime Labour party member, said he had to quit as he could not publicly endorse or defend the cuts he believed the cash-strapped council would have to make to plug its huge budget deficit which he said amounted to “effective dismantling of local government in favour of hiving off services”.

He wrote: “Richard, I could try to bite on the bullet and stay on in the Cabinet but I fear that at some point in the not too distant future I would be unable, in such a high-profile role, to continue publicly endorsing or even defending the path the administration will be taking, and so it is better that I stand down now, without any fuss or media attention and hopefully without causing you any embarrassment.”

Pleaded Cllr Morrell’s decision to resign from the Cabinet came just weeks into Cllr Williams’s new administration. He said Cllr Williams had pleaded with him to agree to say he was going for health reasons as the truth would be politically fatal for his leadership.

Coxford ward colleague Cllr Don Thomas said Cllr Williams visited his home to ask him to persuade Cllr Morrell to agree to say he had resigned on health grounds, but Cllr Thomas declined.

Cllr Morrell said he had reluctantly agreed to go along with the story but said he was not consulted on the statement issued by the council.

Cllr Morrell, who last week finally quit the Labour administration to form a rival group against cuts, said he had now been “vindicated”.

He said he had been persuaded by party bosses not to add fuel to the story at the time of the emergency council meeting as it would damage the Labour party.

“I respected that which is why I sat through the council meeting listening to further rubbish from Richard Williams,” he said.

Asked to comment on the revelations, Cllr Williams said: “I haven’t got anything to add at all, to be honest. No further comments whatsoever.”

When put to him that the resignation Cllr Morrell had sent to him made no mention of ill health and yet he went on make a series of misleading statements, Cllr Williams said: “There were lots of things happening at the time and that happened after that as well. I really haven’t got anything else to add, to be honest with you. I don’t think there is anything else I really can add.”

Pressed that these were serious issues he had not addressed and asked whether he would be resigning, he said: “I don’t think there is anything really I can say at this stage, to be fair.”

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10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
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Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
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I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone Lone Ranger.
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11:08am Fri 19 Oct 12

The Watcher says...

"the need to spend more time with my family"
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"finding it hard to balance my home and work life"
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"need a fresh challenge", etc etc etc
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All reasons given by spin doctors over the years for people getting the push. Welcome to the world of spin and party politics.
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Nothing new here, nothing to see and certainly nothing to be getting our collective knickers in a twist about.
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A less than candid announcement from a Leader and a Party is no new thing.
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Disappointed that once again my party involves itself in attacking individuals rather than challenging policy.
"the need to spend more time with my family" , "finding it hard to balance my home and work life" , "need a fresh challenge", etc etc etc . All reasons given by spin doctors over the years for people getting the push. Welcome to the world of spin and party politics. . Nothing new here, nothing to see and certainly nothing to be getting our collective knickers in a twist about. . A less than candid announcement from a Leader and a Party is no new thing. . Disappointed that once again my party involves itself in attacking individuals rather than challenging policy. The Watcher
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11:12am Fri 19 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OK if he is toast who is the next in line to be put on the pedestal to be shot down?
OK if he is toast who is the next in line to be put on the pedestal to be shot down? OSPREYSAINT
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11:14am Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
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Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
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I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article. Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves. Shoong
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11:17am Fri 19 Oct 12

HillsidePaul says...

Since the echo investigation makes it clear that Cllr Morrell Also colluded in the "lie" why are they not demanding he resign as well?

Surely it couldn't be political bias by the reporter and the editor?
Since the echo investigation makes it clear that Cllr Morrell Also colluded in the "lie" why are they not demanding he resign as well? Surely it couldn't be political bias by the reporter and the editor? HillsidePaul
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11:29am Fri 19 Oct 12

Here, There says...

Would it be easier if Cabinet disclosed the true extent of the defecit and what is REALLY needed to plug it ? If that were done perhaps some would not campaign for a facilty few use and support strikes due to interpretation of 'fair'...the harsh reality is we as a Country and a town are in the poop and some tough decisions are required..so forget spin give it to us how it is to avoid political point scoring..also, be consistent if others are expected to make sacrifices ensure you too make a relative sacrifice in the interest of 'fairness'
Would it be easier if Cabinet disclosed the true extent of the defecit and what is REALLY needed to plug it ? If that were done perhaps some would not campaign for a facilty few use and support strikes due to interpretation of 'fair'...the harsh reality is we as a Country and a town are in the poop and some tough decisions are required..so forget spin give it to us how it is to avoid political point scoring..also, be consistent if others are expected to make sacrifices ensure you too make a relative sacrifice in the interest of 'fairness' Here, There
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11:44am Fri 19 Oct 12

George4th says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
Since the echo investigation makes it clear that Cllr Morrell Also colluded in the "lie" why are they not demanding he resign as well?

Surely it couldn't be political bias by the reporter and the editor?
Cllr Morrell - Yes, he should resign too. Not only did he chicken out of the cabinet role he originally accepted and ran for cover, he lied about his own departure!
As for Cllr Williams, well, he has led a Labour council through one disaster after another! I should imagine that the Labour party would be pleased to see him resign before he oversees any more catastrophes!
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Since the echo investigation makes it clear that Cllr Morrell Also colluded in the "lie" why are they not demanding he resign as well? Surely it couldn't be political bias by the reporter and the editor?[/p][/quote]Cllr Morrell - Yes, he should resign too. Not only did he chicken out of the cabinet role he originally accepted and ran for cover, he lied about his own departure! As for Cllr Williams, well, he has led a Labour council through one disaster after another! I should imagine that the Labour party would be pleased to see him resign before he oversees any more catastrophes! George4th
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11:46am Fri 19 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
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Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.
Perhaps you should read the Echo a bit more rather than just continually defending your dear blue incompetent Tory party. Its all there in black and white
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And to give you a chance to "judge" .... Who the hell do you think you are ??
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article. Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should read the Echo a bit more rather than just continually defending your dear blue incompetent Tory party. Its all there in black and white . And to give you a chance to "judge" .... Who the hell do you think you are ?? Lone Ranger.
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11:47am Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams? loosehead
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11:49am Fri 19 Oct 12

Ford Prefect says...

Has it occurred to anyone that one motivation for saying Cllr Morrell was sick was to save Cllr Morrell's reputation? After all, only a few weeks before he had accepted a cabinet role where he must have known he would have to make difficult decisions.

Every reasonably well-informed person knows that councils all over the country have been put in impossible positions thanks to the Coalition Government's cuts.

Keith Morrell took the job knowing that cuts would be necessary. But when it came down to it, he couldn't do it and face the comrades. So he could either go and plead ill-health. Or tell the truth and look indecisive. Or go, plead ill health, and then say it was all a fiction and make Cllr Williams look like the bad guy.

It's not a great situation and I don't blame Smith for making a fuss. Perhaps while he's searching for honesty he can tell us why Tory Central Office turned him down as a Parliamentary candidate at least twice.

I don't blame the Echo for making a fuss. Perhaps they too could remind us about the time they were sued by Councillor Williams. Just so we don't go away thinking that this is some sort of spiteful attack.
Has it occurred to anyone that one motivation for saying Cllr Morrell was sick was to save Cllr Morrell's reputation? After all, only a few weeks before he had accepted a cabinet role where he must have known he would have to make difficult decisions. Every reasonably well-informed person knows that councils all over the country have been put in impossible positions thanks to the Coalition Government's cuts. Keith Morrell took the job knowing that cuts would be necessary. But when it came down to it, he couldn't do it and face the comrades. So he could either go and plead ill-health. Or tell the truth and look indecisive. Or go, plead ill health, and then say it was all a fiction and make Cllr Williams look like the bad guy. It's not a great situation and I don't blame Smith for making a fuss. Perhaps while he's searching for honesty he can tell us why Tory Central Office turned him down as a Parliamentary candidate at least twice. I don't blame the Echo for making a fuss. Perhaps they too could remind us about the time they were sued by Councillor Williams. Just so we don't go away thinking that this is some sort of spiteful attack. Ford Prefect
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11:51am Fri 19 Oct 12

On the inside says...

Who runs this city. Elected politicians or some slaphead editor who does not even live in it!
Who runs this city. Elected politicians or some slaphead editor who does not even live in it! On the inside
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11:56am Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

On the inside wrote:
Who runs this city. Elected politicians or some slaphead editor who does not even live in it!
So what have Corrupt Williams & a corrupt Labour council; to have a free rein?
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Who runs this city. Elected politicians or some slaphead editor who does not even live in it![/p][/quote]So what have Corrupt Williams & a corrupt Labour council; to have a free rein? loosehead
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11:57am Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
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Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.
Perhaps you should read the Echo a bit more rather than just continually defending your dear blue incompetent Tory party. Its all there in black and white
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And to give you a chance to "judge" .... Who the hell do you think you are ??
Oh dear...

'Judge' as in to see for ourselves to so we can make our own minds up. Because, I'm not going to just take your word for it.

I'm not sure what you are seeing in my previous post, all I wanted to know is what these lies are. You might be right.
I'm not defending anyone, there was nothing in my previous post to indicate any type of defence and I was also querying really what the Sea Museum was to do with this particular story.

Well, I suppose if the roles were reversed here, you would be screaming from the rooftops and preparing a noose.

Is your inclusion of 'IF!!!' a defence of Cllr Williams then? I suppose if the wheels ever do actually turn on this one and Cllr Williams has been found to have lied (or should that be mis-lead? Everyone seems to think they are different, I don't), will you come out and defend him?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article. Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should read the Echo a bit more rather than just continually defending your dear blue incompetent Tory party. Its all there in black and white . And to give you a chance to "judge" .... Who the hell do you think you are ??[/p][/quote]Oh dear... 'Judge' as in to see for ourselves to so we can make our own minds up. Because, I'm not going to just take your word for it. I'm not sure what you are seeing in my previous post, all I wanted to know is what these lies are. You might be right. I'm not defending anyone, there was nothing in my previous post to indicate any type of defence and I was also querying really what the Sea Museum was to do with this particular story. Well, I suppose if the roles were reversed here, you would be screaming from the rooftops and preparing a noose. Is your inclusion of 'IF!!!' a defence of Cllr Williams then? I suppose if the wheels ever do actually turn on this one and Cllr Williams has been found to have lied (or should that be mis-lead? Everyone seems to think they are different, I don't), will you come out and defend him? Shoong
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11:59am Fri 19 Oct 12

redsnapper says...

Politicians ugh!!

They,re all in together and screw the rest of us.
Politicians ugh!! They,re all in together and screw the rest of us. redsnapper
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12:01pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake. Shoong
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12:06pm Fri 19 Oct 12

lisa whitemore says...

loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
here,here!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]here,here! lisa whitemore
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12:13pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Smart Bomb says...

He was elected with a lie-ridden manifesto. Why is he being attacked for just being consistant?

We got what we deserved. Still, City will be run by a Government Administrator soon.
He was elected with a lie-ridden manifesto. Why is he being attacked for just being consistant? We got what we deserved. Still, City will be run by a Government Administrator soon. Smart Bomb
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12:19pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said. southy
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12:22pm Fri 19 Oct 12

sameoldscene says...

I wouldnt trust Cllr Morrell either, its in the eyes, and there both dicky!
I wouldnt trust Cllr Morrell either, its in the eyes, and there both dicky! sameoldscene
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12:24pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory. Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know. Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up. Shoong
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12:28pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Smart Bomb wrote:
He was elected with a lie-ridden manifesto. Why is he being attacked for just being consistant?

We got what we deserved. Still, City will be run by a Government Administrator soon.
Smart Bomb the problem was & is that council workers were promised the earth & lied to by their Unions they were also led to believe that all would be a bed of roses under a Labour council but now they & us can see they were lied to by both Labour & the Unions.
Williams came out & called an Echo Journalist a liar & said he was mis-quoted well is there now a case for said Journalist to sue him?
He came in saying 1,500 job losses 1,500 homes to be built & promised the earth.
the Tories said it as it was.take small pay cuts & we'll keep as many jobs as we can ( only 80 permanent job losses) & no cut to services.
Labour called them liars & said they the tory party would slash services & have whole scale redundancies?
Labour have closed one service ( Oaklands Pool) have already embarked on job cuts.
Have adopted a smokescreen by saying the workers can work temp jobs for four months & look internally for permanent jobs or leave with a small payment? if no permanent job goodbye with a small payment but it's not redundancy?
exactly what is is? how can these people sign on if they've left their jobs or refused lower paid Temporary jobs?
This Labour council have lied to get elected & lied ever since & how the hell the Unions can accept a deal with lower redundancy & pension payments baffles me?
You have to come to the conclusion that Labour & the Unions were both part of this deceit & lied to all to get a Labour council
[quote][p][bold]Smart Bomb[/bold] wrote: He was elected with a lie-ridden manifesto. Why is he being attacked for just being consistant? We got what we deserved. Still, City will be run by a Government Administrator soon.[/p][/quote]Smart Bomb the problem was & is that council workers were promised the earth & lied to by their Unions they were also led to believe that all would be a bed of roses under a Labour council but now they & us can see they were lied to by both Labour & the Unions. Williams came out & called an Echo Journalist a liar & said he was mis-quoted well is there now a case for said Journalist to sue him? He came in saying 1,500 job losses 1,500 homes to be built & promised the earth. the Tories said it as it was.take small pay cuts & we'll keep as many jobs as we can ( only 80 permanent job losses) & no cut to services. Labour called them liars & said they the tory party would slash services & have whole scale redundancies? Labour have closed one service ( Oaklands Pool) have already embarked on job cuts. Have adopted a smokescreen by saying the workers can work temp jobs for four months & look internally for permanent jobs or leave with a small payment? if no permanent job goodbye with a small payment but it's not redundancy? exactly what is is? how can these people sign on if they've left their jobs or refused lower paid Temporary jobs? This Labour council have lied to get elected & lied ever since & how the hell the Unions can accept a deal with lower redundancy & pension payments baffles me? You have to come to the conclusion that Labour & the Unions were both part of this deceit & lied to all to get a Labour council loosehead
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12:30pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY. Paramjit Bahia
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12:32pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

redsnapper wrote:
Politicians ugh!!

They,re all in together and screw the rest of us.
The top 3 political partys are all in it together, have been now for a good 25 years.
There is no real difference between them, they are all offering the same thing.
The TUSC did point out what both the Torys and Labour Policys ment to the people way before the Election, and the difference is that the Torys was going to lose 100 jobs more than Labour, the Torys was going to do a fasy hit while Labour was going to do it slowly and hope on the number that would leave there post and not replace them. just to soften the blow.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Politicians ugh!! They,re all in together and screw the rest of us.[/p][/quote]The top 3 political partys are all in it together, have been now for a good 25 years. There is no real difference between them, they are all offering the same thing. The TUSC did point out what both the Torys and Labour Policys ment to the people way before the Election, and the difference is that the Torys was going to lose 100 jobs more than Labour, the Torys was going to do a fasy hit while Labour was going to do it slowly and hope on the number that would leave there post and not replace them. just to soften the blow. southy
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12:33pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Give up you IDIOT.
You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government?
You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did?
Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here?
you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Give up you IDIOT. You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government? You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did? Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here? you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about? loosehead
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12:35pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Politicians ugh!!

They,re all in together and screw the rest of us.
The top 3 political partys are all in it together, have been now for a good 25 years.
There is no real difference between them, they are all offering the same thing.
The TUSC did point out what both the Torys and Labour Policys ment to the people way before the Election, and the difference is that the Torys was going to lose 100 jobs more than Labour, the Torys was going to do a fasy hit while Labour was going to do it slowly and hope on the number that would leave there post and not replace them. just to soften the blow.
Can we have the *real* story as to what happened on that submarine that fateful day please, or do I have to get in touch with Fox Mulder?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Politicians ugh!! They,re all in together and screw the rest of us.[/p][/quote]The top 3 political partys are all in it together, have been now for a good 25 years. There is no real difference between them, they are all offering the same thing. The TUSC did point out what both the Torys and Labour Policys ment to the people way before the Election, and the difference is that the Torys was going to lose 100 jobs more than Labour, the Torys was going to do a fasy hit while Labour was going to do it slowly and hope on the number that would leave there post and not replace them. just to soften the blow.[/p][/quote]Can we have the *real* story as to what happened on that submarine that fateful day please, or do I have to get in touch with Fox Mulder? Shoong
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12:35pm Fri 19 Oct 12

misbehaving says...

Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.
Loneranger has an unhealthy obessesion with smith and moulton. Get a room.....
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article. Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Loneranger has an unhealthy obessesion with smith and moulton. Get a room..... misbehaving
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12:36pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.
Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years.
Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory. Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know. Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.[/p][/quote]Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years. Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on. southy
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12:37pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Hdg end mo says...

Sort the roads out in Southampton pot holes everywhere
Sort the roads out in Southampton pot holes everywhere Hdg end mo
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12:41pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Talking rubbish again. The events of that day were explained in open court for all to hear. No dirt to dish on this one. Please move on. By the way, well done Royston et all for your actions on the day.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Talking rubbish again. The events of that day were explained in open court for all to hear. No dirt to dish on this one. Please move on. By the way, well done Royston et all for your actions on the day. Sir Ad E Noid
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12:45pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.
Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years.
Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.
These are your words:

'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.'

As you implied, as you brought it up:

'The Government interfered with the full story'.

That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'.

Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please.

Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory. Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know. Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.[/p][/quote]Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years. Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.[/p][/quote]These are your words: 'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.' As you implied, as you brought it up: 'The Government interfered with the full story'. That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'. Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please. Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda. Shoong
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12:45pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Give up you IDIOT.
You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government?
You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did?
Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here?
you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?
It was not just 2 loose there was more involved.

And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Give up you IDIOT. You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government? You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did? Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here? you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?[/p][/quote]It was not just 2 loose there was more involved. And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them southy
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12:51pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Give up you IDIOT.
You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government?
You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did?
Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here?
you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?
It was not just 2 loose there was more involved.

And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them
Come on then, out with it!

I'm sure the relatives of the man that died would want to know the whole truth behind his death.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Give up you IDIOT. You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government? You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did? Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here? you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?[/p][/quote]It was not just 2 loose there was more involved. And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them[/p][/quote]Come on then, out with it! I'm sure the relatives of the man that died would want to know the whole truth behind his death. Shoong
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12:55pm Fri 19 Oct 12

rich the stitch says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Give up you IDIOT. You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government? You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did? Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here? you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?
It was not just 2 loose there was more involved. And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them
Come on then, out with it! I'm sure the relatives of the man that died would want to know the whole truth behind his death.
Won't be long before the 'I'm not showing where the information is, you should go and find it youself' quote from Southy.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Give up you IDIOT. You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government? You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did? Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here? you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?[/p][/quote]It was not just 2 loose there was more involved. And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them[/p][/quote]Come on then, out with it! I'm sure the relatives of the man that died would want to know the whole truth behind his death.[/p][/quote]Won't be long before the 'I'm not showing where the information is, you should go and find it youself' quote from Southy. rich the stitch
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12:56pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.
Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years.
Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.
These are your words:

'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.'

As you implied, as you brought it up:

'The Government interfered with the full story'.

That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'.

Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please.

Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.
It implies to you only and maybe the few that think like you, what happens on a RN vessel is a matter of state, and the state got involved right away, Smithy knows what I mean he would of signed the same artical as me, when he joined the RAF.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory. Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know. Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.[/p][/quote]Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years. Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.[/p][/quote]These are your words: 'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.' As you implied, as you brought it up: 'The Government interfered with the full story'. That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'. Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please. Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.[/p][/quote]It implies to you only and maybe the few that think like you, what happens on a RN vessel is a matter of state, and the state got involved right away, Smithy knows what I mean he would of signed the same artical as me, when he joined the RAF. southy
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1:01pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.
Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out.

Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign.

Local Labour Disgruntled
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article. Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out. Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign. Local Labour Disgruntled Over the Edge
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1:02pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Any way back to the artical, Williams should resign as leader of the Labour and Council, but this do not mean he will lose his Councillor job, I think a few of you are hoping for a Council by-election this will not happen, all that will happen is he would lose his leadership but stays as a councillor till that is his term off office as come to an end and if its not all blown over by then he will get replace at that election.
Any way back to the artical, Williams should resign as leader of the Labour and Council, but this do not mean he will lose his Councillor job, I think a few of you are hoping for a Council by-election this will not happen, all that will happen is he would lose his leadership but stays as a councillor till that is his term off office as come to an end and if its not all blown over by then he will get replace at that election. southy
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1:03pm Fri 19 Oct 12

cherrypi says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
So here's the Lone Ranger being first with the defence of Labour's shady Councillors ... again!!!! by deflecting attention from the truth. Personally, as a life long Labour supporter, I feel betrayed by the bunch who have been voted in who have proved themselves to be deceitful and self serving. Perhaps Cllr Thorpe has been giving advice on tactics to Cllr Williams?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]So here's the Lone Ranger being first with the defence of Labour's shady Councillors ... again!!!! by deflecting attention from the truth. Personally, as a life long Labour supporter, I feel betrayed by the bunch who have been voted in who have proved themselves to be deceitful and self serving. Perhaps Cllr Thorpe has been giving advice on tactics to Cllr Williams? cherrypi
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1:10pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Any way back to the artical, Williams should resign as leader of the Labour and Council, but this do not mean he will lose his Councillor job, I think a few of you are hoping for a Council by-election this will not happen, all that will happen is he would lose his leadership but stays as a councillor till that is his term off office as come to an end and if its not all blown over by then he will get replace at that election.
'Anyway, back to the article..'

Did it suddenly hit home that you should have kept it shut on this one? Because you just made it up?

So we only have to wait 25 years to find out if you are full of it or not then?

You'll excuse me if I don't and assume you said something very silly which hopefully you regret. Propaganda and spin, you should be getting in contact with the RN officer who died and letting his family know.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Any way back to the artical, Williams should resign as leader of the Labour and Council, but this do not mean he will lose his Councillor job, I think a few of you are hoping for a Council by-election this will not happen, all that will happen is he would lose his leadership but stays as a councillor till that is his term off office as come to an end and if its not all blown over by then he will get replace at that election.[/p][/quote]'Anyway, back to the article..' Did it suddenly hit home that you should have kept it shut on this one? Because you just made it up? So we only have to wait 25 years to find out if you are full of it or not then? You'll excuse me if I don't and assume you said something very silly which hopefully you regret. Propaganda and spin, you should be getting in contact with the RN officer who died and letting his family know. Shoong
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1:13pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Over the Edge wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.
Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out.

Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign.

Local Labour Disgruntled
the 5 million from Crawley council was for to fight the Unions, not for the sea museum, The hire of out side contractors and to cover the cost any court action.
The thing is that Williams let things slip out way before the elections, Labour Councillors cross the picket line when there was a national public service strike on, it was only Keith and Don that attended every single demo and rally that the Unions had in Southampton showing there support.
Yes Williams should go as leader but theres nothing can be done about him being a councillor that bit will be down to him weather if he stays as a councillor or not.
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article. Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out. Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign. Local Labour Disgruntled[/p][/quote]the 5 million from Crawley council was for to fight the Unions, not for the sea museum, The hire of out side contractors and to cover the cost any court action. The thing is that Williams let things slip out way before the elections, Labour Councillors cross the picket line when there was a national public service strike on, it was only Keith and Don that attended every single demo and rally that the Unions had in Southampton showing there support. Yes Williams should go as leader but theres nothing can be done about him being a councillor that bit will be down to him weather if he stays as a councillor or not. southy
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1:22pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

southy wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.
Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out.

Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign.

Local Labour Disgruntled
the 5 million from Crawley council was for to fight the Unions, not for the sea museum, The hire of out side contractors and to cover the cost any court action.
The thing is that Williams let things slip out way before the elections, Labour Councillors cross the picket line when there was a national public service strike on, it was only Keith and Don that attended every single demo and rally that the Unions had in Southampton showing there support.
Yes Williams should go as leader but theres nothing can be done about him being a councillor that bit will be down to him weather if he stays as a councillor or not.
Another councillor told me that the £5 million was borrowed for that purpose, if it was to fight the unions in court (which wasn't needed) why are SCC paying Crawley back?

If he stays as a Councillor he stays but he lied as leader and should resign for that alone.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article. Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out. Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign. Local Labour Disgruntled[/p][/quote]the 5 million from Crawley council was for to fight the Unions, not for the sea museum, The hire of out side contractors and to cover the cost any court action. The thing is that Williams let things slip out way before the elections, Labour Councillors cross the picket line when there was a national public service strike on, it was only Keith and Don that attended every single demo and rally that the Unions had in Southampton showing there support. Yes Williams should go as leader but theres nothing can be done about him being a councillor that bit will be down to him weather if he stays as a councillor or not.[/p][/quote]Another councillor told me that the £5 million was borrowed for that purpose, if it was to fight the unions in court (which wasn't needed) why are SCC paying Crawley back? If he stays as a Councillor he stays but he lied as leader and should resign for that alone. Over the Edge
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1:31pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

cherrypi wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
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Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
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I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
So here's the Lone Ranger being first with the defence of Labour's shady Councillors ... again!!!! by deflecting attention from the truth. Personally, as a life long Labour supporter, I feel betrayed by the bunch who have been voted in who have proved themselves to be deceitful and self serving. Perhaps Cllr Thorpe has been giving advice on tactics to Cllr Williams?
You obviously have difficulty in reading or indeed understanding what has been read by yourself.
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At the risk of being bored again ..... Read the first paragraph ..... again !!.
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If you think for one minute that the opinion of the faied ex leader saying that Williams should resign, would make me jump on your passing badwagon then you are grossly mistaken.
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You may also note that i have not deflected attention.
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I merely compared to two acts of lies. One is being asked to resign ... the other quotes the garbage as if he is innocent of all charges despite at best misleading the public
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[quote][p][bold]cherrypi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]So here's the Lone Ranger being first with the defence of Labour's shady Councillors ... again!!!! by deflecting attention from the truth. Personally, as a life long Labour supporter, I feel betrayed by the bunch who have been voted in who have proved themselves to be deceitful and self serving. Perhaps Cllr Thorpe has been giving advice on tactics to Cllr Williams?[/p][/quote]You obviously have difficulty in reading or indeed understanding what has been read by yourself. . At the risk of being bored again ..... Read the first paragraph ..... again !!. . If you think for one minute that the opinion of the faied ex leader saying that Williams should resign, would make me jump on your passing badwagon then you are grossly mistaken. . You may also note that i have not deflected attention. . I merely compared to two acts of lies. One is being asked to resign ... the other quotes the garbage as if he is innocent of all charges despite at best misleading the public . Lone Ranger.
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1:39pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Over the Edge wrote:
southy wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.
Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out.

Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign.

Local Labour Disgruntled
the 5 million from Crawley council was for to fight the Unions, not for the sea museum, The hire of out side contractors and to cover the cost any court action.
The thing is that Williams let things slip out way before the elections, Labour Councillors cross the picket line when there was a national public service strike on, it was only Keith and Don that attended every single demo and rally that the Unions had in Southampton showing there support.
Yes Williams should go as leader but theres nothing can be done about him being a councillor that bit will be down to him weather if he stays as a councillor or not.
Another councillor told me that the £5 million was borrowed for that purpose, if it was to fight the unions in court (which wasn't needed) why are SCC paying Crawley back?

If he stays as a Councillor he stays but he lied as leader and should resign for that alone.
If you remember I and others did say at the time that 5 million was borrowed to fight the strikers and this was at the time when the Council was still looking for backers to the museum to be built and at a time when the council was saying it would not cost the city tax payer to have this museum built.
Why is the council paying it back thats because it was a loan though the council.
And yes he should resign as leader, you can safetl say his ambitions of becoming an MP are over the same as Smithys are to
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article. Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Maybe Lone Ranger means the Tory administration (at the time) saying ''No public will be used to pay the Sea City Museum'' then borrowing £5 million from Crawley council to pay for it once the private company pulled out. Now to topic of the story, It seems Cllr Williams lied about the reason Cllr Morrell left the cabinet, I expect lies from all politicians on a national level, but from the leader of a new administration that I voted for and for something that is to me is a quite trivial matter, not only did he lie, in my opinion he abused his power in office by forcing council officers to lie, which is in my opinion bullying staff, something I that I believe his predecessor Royston was quite at, however for the first time ever I agree with Royston and Cllr Williams should resign. Local Labour Disgruntled[/p][/quote]the 5 million from Crawley council was for to fight the Unions, not for the sea museum, The hire of out side contractors and to cover the cost any court action. The thing is that Williams let things slip out way before the elections, Labour Councillors cross the picket line when there was a national public service strike on, it was only Keith and Don that attended every single demo and rally that the Unions had in Southampton showing there support. Yes Williams should go as leader but theres nothing can be done about him being a councillor that bit will be down to him weather if he stays as a councillor or not.[/p][/quote]Another councillor told me that the £5 million was borrowed for that purpose, if it was to fight the unions in court (which wasn't needed) why are SCC paying Crawley back? If he stays as a Councillor he stays but he lied as leader and should resign for that alone.[/p][/quote]If you remember I and others did say at the time that 5 million was borrowed to fight the strikers and this was at the time when the Council was still looking for backers to the museum to be built and at a time when the council was saying it would not cost the city tax payer to have this museum built. Why is the council paying it back thats because it was a loan though the council. And yes he should resign as leader, you can safetl say his ambitions of becoming an MP are over the same as Smithys are to southy
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1:47pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Plum Pudding says...

Seriously? If every politician resigned when they were found out lying, no country in the world would have any politicians left! And no politician will ever admit that they are in it for the power and the money?
Seriously? If every politician resigned when they were found out lying, no country in the world would have any politicians left! And no politician will ever admit that they are in it for the power and the money? Plum Pudding
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1:51pm Fri 19 Oct 12

miltonarcher says...

Why are we surprised at this shambles? Look at what Brown, Balls and Blair did to the economy, biggest deficit in Europe that we are all now having to pay for.
Why are we surprised at this shambles? Look at what Brown, Balls and Blair did to the economy, biggest deficit in Europe that we are all now having to pay for. miltonarcher
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1:54pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Likesadrink says...

Southy, I too am desperate to hear the truth. Seems to me like these other idiots merely think you are hiding behind the "25 years" thing because you completely made it up as you hate the idea of a Tory councillor acting selflessly in a situation where many (myself included) would have either froze or completely bottled it.

If you know the true story there is no (or very limited) censorship on this site, say what happened. If it was your kid killed on that ship wouldn't you want to know? You allude to "more than 2", that's fine, detail it - did an officer help Smith disable the chap, or did Smith cower in a corner (like I probably would) whilst others got stuck in and after said "do you mind if I get the credit for this, using that young murdered lads death could get me some votes", the crew and whitehall decided, "hell why not" and went ahead not expecting any sort of investigation? I'm genuinely fascinated as to what happened, but more importantly the family of the victim will be more than fascinated, I would imagine they would be very worried. I can do some research and put them in touch with you maybe?
Southy, I too am desperate to hear the truth. Seems to me like these other idiots merely think you are hiding behind the "25 years" thing because you completely made it up as you hate the idea of a Tory councillor acting selflessly in a situation where many (myself included) would have either froze or completely bottled it. If you know the true story there is no (or very limited) censorship on this site, say what happened. If it was your kid killed on that ship wouldn't you want to know? You allude to "more than 2", that's fine, detail it - did an officer help Smith disable the chap, or did Smith cower in a corner (like I probably would) whilst others got stuck in and after said "do you mind if I get the credit for this, using that young murdered lads death could get me some votes", the crew and whitehall decided, "hell why not" and went ahead not expecting any sort of investigation? I'm genuinely fascinated as to what happened, but more importantly the family of the victim will be more than fascinated, I would imagine they would be very worried. I can do some research and put them in touch with you maybe? Likesadrink
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1:57pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Likesadrink says...

I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign.

On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week!
I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign. On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week! Likesadrink
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2:01pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

Likesadrink wrote:
I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign.

On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week!
I must confess I haven't really had time to catch up on the commissioner election yet, can you let me know what lies you allude to? I'd be interested to know.
[quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign. On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week![/p][/quote]I must confess I haven't really had time to catch up on the commissioner election yet, can you let me know what lies you allude to? I'd be interested to know. Shoong
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2:14pm Fri 19 Oct 12

rich the stitch says...

Likesadrink wrote:
Southy, I too am desperate to hear the truth. Seems to me like these other idiots merely think you are hiding behind the "25 years" thing because you completely made it up as you hate the idea of a Tory councillor acting selflessly in a situation where many (myself included) would have either froze or completely bottled it. If you know the true story there is no (or very limited) censorship on this site, say what happened. If it was your kid killed on that ship wouldn't you want to know? You allude to "more than 2", that's fine, detail it - did an officer help Smith disable the chap, or did Smith cower in a corner (like I probably would) whilst others got stuck in and after said "do you mind if I get the credit for this, using that young murdered lads death could get me some votes", the crew and whitehall decided, "hell why not" and went ahead not expecting any sort of investigation? I'm genuinely fascinated as to what happened, but more importantly the family of the victim will be more than fascinated, I would imagine they would be very worried. I can do some research and put them in touch with you maybe?
Chances are, you won't hear from Southy on this. Throw in a few facts he's decided to make up, gets put in to a corner when asked to prove them....'and then like that, poof, he's gone....like a daily echo forum Keyser Soze.
[quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Southy, I too am desperate to hear the truth. Seems to me like these other idiots merely think you are hiding behind the "25 years" thing because you completely made it up as you hate the idea of a Tory councillor acting selflessly in a situation where many (myself included) would have either froze or completely bottled it. If you know the true story there is no (or very limited) censorship on this site, say what happened. If it was your kid killed on that ship wouldn't you want to know? You allude to "more than 2", that's fine, detail it - did an officer help Smith disable the chap, or did Smith cower in a corner (like I probably would) whilst others got stuck in and after said "do you mind if I get the credit for this, using that young murdered lads death could get me some votes", the crew and whitehall decided, "hell why not" and went ahead not expecting any sort of investigation? I'm genuinely fascinated as to what happened, but more importantly the family of the victim will be more than fascinated, I would imagine they would be very worried. I can do some research and put them in touch with you maybe?[/p][/quote]Chances are, you won't hear from Southy on this. Throw in a few facts he's decided to make up, gets put in to a corner when asked to prove them....'and then like that, poof, he's gone....like a daily echo forum Keyser Soze. rich the stitch
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2:18pm Fri 19 Oct 12

fishfinger29 says...

Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.
Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind. fishfinger29
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2:18pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading. southy
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2:20pm Fri 19 Oct 12

bobbyboy says...

How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF. bobbyboy
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2:21pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Likesadrink wrote:
I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign.

On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week!
I would agree with you on this, apart from I stop voting Labour when Pat Bear pass on, there was one else to vote for after that for me.
[quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign. On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week![/p][/quote]I would agree with you on this, apart from I stop voting Labour when Pat Bear pass on, there was one else to vote for after that for me. southy
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2:26pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
It started with this by Loosehead
"The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?"
Then rolled on to this by Shoong
"Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."
[quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.[/p][/quote]It started with this by Loosehead "The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?" Then rolled on to this by Shoong "Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake." southy
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2:34pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
Yes, but if it wasn't for Ascension Island we would have been pretty stuffed for refuelling wouldn't we?

Operation Black Buck for example would have been impossible without the island or the staff that manned it, so they where fully involved in the war effort.

So what you're saying is that the men who manned the Ascension (note the correct spelling) didn't contribute to the Falklands War then? So, what are they, cowards who hid on the island?

I don't know exactly what Royston Smith did during the Falklands War, but to belittle all the staff stationed there just for your own spin is rather disgraceful.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]Yes, but if it wasn't for Ascension Island we would have been pretty stuffed for refuelling wouldn't we? Operation Black Buck for example would have been impossible without the island or the staff that manned it, so they where fully involved in the war effort. So what you're saying is that the men who manned the Ascension (note the correct spelling) didn't contribute to the Falklands War then? So, what are they, cowards who hid on the island? I don't know exactly what Royston Smith did during the Falklands War, but to belittle all the staff stationed there just for your own spin is rather disgraceful. Shoong
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2:37pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Likesadrink says...

Shoong wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign.

On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week!
I must confess I haven't really had time to catch up on the commissioner election yet, can you let me know what lies you allude to? I'd be interested to know.
Link here: http://www.private-e
ye.co.uk/sections.ph
p?section_link=hp_sa
uce&issue=1325

Other available on BBC website. Basically he was a mate of a fraudster and got kicked out of office for it - to be fair I keep some "interesting" company at times and a mate's a mate so no problem there. Real issue is pocketing cash from sale of Dolphin House and (unlike other MP's) hasn't disclosed how much he got and refused to return any of it. His only defence is receiving advice in a meeting that was never documented or recorded. Got out of dodge just before the expenses scandal kicked in so has never been properly held to account.

By the way, if he was Labour or Lib dem I'd say the same, I thought Margeret Beckett should've been booted out of Westminster as soon as she walked out the BBC question time studio when defending her right to claim tax payer allowances for hanging baskets!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign. On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week![/p][/quote]I must confess I haven't really had time to catch up on the commissioner election yet, can you let me know what lies you allude to? I'd be interested to know.[/p][/quote]Link here: http://www.private-e ye.co.uk/sections.ph p?section_link=hp_sa uce&issue=1325 Other available on BBC website. Basically he was a mate of a fraudster and got kicked out of office for it - to be fair I keep some "interesting" company at times and a mate's a mate so no problem there. Real issue is pocketing cash from sale of Dolphin House and (unlike other MP's) hasn't disclosed how much he got and refused to return any of it. His only defence is receiving advice in a meeting that was never documented or recorded. Got out of dodge just before the expenses scandal kicked in so has never been properly held to account. By the way, if he was Labour or Lib dem I'd say the same, I thought Margeret Beckett should've been booted out of Westminster as soon as she walked out the BBC question time studio when defending her right to claim tax payer allowances for hanging baskets! Likesadrink
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2:39pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
It started with this by Loosehead
"The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?"
Then rolled on to this by Shoong
"Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."
Followed by this garbage: 'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.'

Anyway, you've shown yourself to be a fantasist and that you'll say anything that springs forth from your tiny mind to try and further your own political agenda, I hope people are more grown up to make up their own minds, certainly more grown up than yourself anyway.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.[/p][/quote]It started with this by Loosehead "The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?" Then rolled on to this by Shoong "Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."[/p][/quote]Followed by this garbage: 'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.' Anyway, you've shown yourself to be a fantasist and that you'll say anything that springs forth from your tiny mind to try and further your own political agenda, I hope people are more grown up to make up their own minds, certainly more grown up than yourself anyway. Shoong
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2:42pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

Likesadrink wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign.

On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week!
I must confess I haven't really had time to catch up on the commissioner election yet, can you let me know what lies you allude to? I'd be interested to know.
Link here: http://www.private-e

ye.co.uk/sections.ph

p?section_link=hp_sa

uce&issue=1325

Other available on BBC website. Basically he was a mate of a fraudster and got kicked out of office for it - to be fair I keep some "interesting" company at times and a mate's a mate so no problem there. Real issue is pocketing cash from sale of Dolphin House and (unlike other MP's) hasn't disclosed how much he got and refused to return any of it. His only defence is receiving advice in a meeting that was never documented or recorded. Got out of dodge just before the expenses scandal kicked in so has never been properly held to account.

By the way, if he was Labour or Lib dem I'd say the same, I thought Margeret Beckett should've been booted out of Westminster as soon as she walked out the BBC question time studio when defending her right to claim tax payer allowances for hanging baskets!
Thank you! Y'see, it's not that hard to back up what you say with some info rather than just making stuff up to score points. If only some others could follow your good example, cheers.
[quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: I have to give credit where it's due too, despite being a lifetime labour voter this is a proper investigation of the kind I havn't seen from the Echo in a long time. Williams seems bang to rights and should resign. On a separate note, do not vote for the lying Tory in the Hants Police vote next week![/p][/quote]I must confess I haven't really had time to catch up on the commissioner election yet, can you let me know what lies you allude to? I'd be interested to know.[/p][/quote]Link here: http://www.private-e ye.co.uk/sections.ph p?section_link=hp_sa uce&issue=1325 Other available on BBC website. Basically he was a mate of a fraudster and got kicked out of office for it - to be fair I keep some "interesting" company at times and a mate's a mate so no problem there. Real issue is pocketing cash from sale of Dolphin House and (unlike other MP's) hasn't disclosed how much he got and refused to return any of it. His only defence is receiving advice in a meeting that was never documented or recorded. Got out of dodge just before the expenses scandal kicked in so has never been properly held to account. By the way, if he was Labour or Lib dem I'd say the same, I thought Margeret Beckett should've been booted out of Westminster as soon as she walked out the BBC question time studio when defending her right to claim tax payer allowances for hanging baskets![/p][/quote]Thank you! Y'see, it's not that hard to back up what you say with some info rather than just making stuff up to score points. If only some others could follow your good example, cheers. Shoong
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2:46pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
It started with this by Loosehead
"The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?"
Then rolled on to this by Shoong
"Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."
And then you Dear Southy decided to put your ore in!!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.[/p][/quote]It started with this by Loosehead "The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?" Then rolled on to this by Shoong "Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."[/p][/quote]And then you Dear Southy decided to put your ore in!!! Paramjit Bahia
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2:56pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Well don't keep us in the dark. Tell us what really happened.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Well don't keep us in the dark. Tell us what really happened. Stillness
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3:01pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Why are we surprised at this shambles? Look at what Brown, Balls and Blair did to the economy, biggest deficit in Europe that we are all now having to pay for.
Did any of those 3 Labour politician have anything to with the economies of Greece, Spain, Italy or the Eire? No they didn't.

I suppose those countries are skint because of the last Labour Government of the UK?

Brown's economic policy was welcomed and supported by the Tories (CaMoron) and that other shower, when passed in the house of commons.

This lot will lose us our triple a rating, then we can look forward to an economy like Spain's Greece's Italy's and Eire's.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Why are we surprised at this shambles? Look at what Brown, Balls and Blair did to the economy, biggest deficit in Europe that we are all now having to pay for.[/p][/quote]Did any of those 3 Labour politician have anything to with the economies of Greece, Spain, Italy or the Eire? No they didn't. I suppose those countries are skint because of the last Labour Government of the UK? Brown's economic policy was welcomed and supported by the Tories (CaMoron) and that other shower, when passed in the house of commons. This lot will lose us our triple a rating, then we can look forward to an economy like Spain's Greece's Italy's and Eire's. Over the Edge
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3:01pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Stillness says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx Stillness
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3:07pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.
Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years.
Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.
These are your words:

'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.'

As you implied, as you brought it up:

'The Government interfered with the full story'.

That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'.

Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please.

Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.
It implies to you only and maybe the few that think like you, what happens on a RN vessel is a matter of state, and the state got involved right away, Smithy knows what I mean he would of signed the same artical as me, when he joined the RAF.
Yes he would have signed it. Just not with an X.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory. Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know. Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.[/p][/quote]Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years. Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.[/p][/quote]These are your words: 'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.' As you implied, as you brought it up: 'The Government interfered with the full story'. That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'. Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please. Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.[/p][/quote]It implies to you only and maybe the few that think like you, what happens on a RN vessel is a matter of state, and the state got involved right away, Smithy knows what I mean he would of signed the same artical as me, when he joined the RAF.[/p][/quote]Yes he would have signed it. Just not with an X. Stillness
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3:08pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Linesman says...

I find it a trifle ironic that Royston Smith should be calling on anyone to resign. He was called upon to resign many a time, but did not. He waited until the electorate removed him from power.
I find it a trifle ironic that Royston Smith should be calling on anyone to resign. He was called upon to resign many a time, but did not. He waited until the electorate removed him from power. Linesman
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3:08pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
Yes, but if it wasn't for Ascension Island we would have been pretty stuffed for refuelling wouldn't we?

Operation Black Buck for example would have been impossible without the island or the staff that manned it, so they where fully involved in the war effort.

So what you're saying is that the men who manned the Ascension (note the correct spelling) didn't contribute to the Falklands War then? So, what are they, cowards who hid on the island?

I don't know exactly what Royston Smith did during the Falklands War, but to belittle all the staff stationed there just for your own spin is rather disgraceful.
Black buck would of gone ahead with or with out Ascension RAF air base, its just that base is shared with the Americans was why it was used, and not one off the other Atlantic Islands that are closer that are known as the islanders.
Smith was an engineer in the RAF, the Black Buck operations of the Vulcan bombers that was a different Squadron, Smith was with the Airborne Radar Squadron.
Do that help you a little, refuling can be done in the air.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]Yes, but if it wasn't for Ascension Island we would have been pretty stuffed for refuelling wouldn't we? Operation Black Buck for example would have been impossible without the island or the staff that manned it, so they where fully involved in the war effort. So what you're saying is that the men who manned the Ascension (note the correct spelling) didn't contribute to the Falklands War then? So, what are they, cowards who hid on the island? I don't know exactly what Royston Smith did during the Falklands War, but to belittle all the staff stationed there just for your own spin is rather disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Black buck would of gone ahead with or with out Ascension RAF air base, its just that base is shared with the Americans was why it was used, and not one off the other Atlantic Islands that are closer that are known as the islanders. Smith was an engineer in the RAF, the Black Buck operations of the Vulcan bombers that was a different Squadron, Smith was with the Airborne Radar Squadron. Do that help you a little, refuling can be done in the air. southy
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3:11pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
It started with this by Loosehead
"The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?"
Then rolled on to this by Shoong
"Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."
And then you Dear Southy decided to put your ore in!!!
just a little, just to balance it up a bit.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.[/p][/quote]It started with this by Loosehead "The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?" Then rolled on to this by Shoong "Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."[/p][/quote]And then you Dear Southy decided to put your ore in!!![/p][/quote]just a little, just to balance it up a bit. southy
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3:12pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
I find it a trifle ironic that Royston Smith should be calling on anyone to resign. He was called upon to resign many a time, but did not. He waited until the electorate removed him from power.
Very true Lines
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I find it a trifle ironic that Royston Smith should be calling on anyone to resign. He was called upon to resign many a time, but did not. He waited until the electorate removed him from power.[/p][/quote]Very true Lines southy
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3:21pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Stillness says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
It started with this by Loosehead
"The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?"
Then rolled on to this by Shoong
"Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."
And then you Dear Southy decided to put your ore in!!!
Now southy will be thinking that you have just called him a pimp for putting his "ore" in.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.[/p][/quote]It started with this by Loosehead "The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?" Then rolled on to this by Shoong "Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake."[/p][/quote]And then you Dear Southy decided to put your ore in!!![/p][/quote]Now southy will be thinking that you have just called him a pimp for putting his "ore" in. Stillness
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3:21pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Give up you IDIOT.
You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government?
You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did?
Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here?
you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?
It was not just 2 loose there was more involved.

And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them
So I've signed the official secrets act but where does it say the press,Navy & coroner has to lie?
It was two people who tackled that nutter so unless you were on the sub as well as being in every council.labour party Tory Party Liberal party meeting plus being alive from the start of time exactly where do you get your information from?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Give up you IDIOT. You're saying the ROYAL NAVY praised Royston & his fellow hero & they only did so under orders by the Government? You're saying that those two men never put their lives at risk saving others as both the ROYAL NAVY & CORONER said they did? Southy give credit where it's deserved & why aren't you vote catching here? you have a golden opportunity to win votes by attacking this lying council leader & lying Labour council but say nothing but to question the honesty of the admiral & coroner what the hell are you about?[/p][/quote]It was not just 2 loose there was more involved. And if you remember I did point out on this web site what the Labour Party was up to, and how much it would mean in cuts in services and jobs, and between the Torys and Labour there was only 100 jobs loses between them[/p][/quote]So I've signed the official secrets act but where does it say the press,Navy & coroner has to lie? It was two people who tackled that nutter so unless you were on the sub as well as being in every council.labour party Tory Party Liberal party meeting plus being alive from the start of time exactly where do you get your information from? loosehead
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3:25pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

fishfinger29 wrote:
Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.
So come on exactly what lies did Royston tell?
[quote][p][bold]fishfinger29[/bold] wrote: Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.[/p][/quote]So come on exactly what lies did Royston tell? loosehead
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3:25pm Fri 19 Oct 12

james47 says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I find it a trifle ironic that Royston Smith should be calling on anyone to resign. He was called upon to resign many a time, but did not. He waited until the electorate removed him from power.
Very true Lines
Southy, As you are the biggest liar and fantasist on this message board, I call on you to resign.....
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I find it a trifle ironic that Royston Smith should be calling on anyone to resign. He was called upon to resign many a time, but did not. He waited until the electorate removed him from power.[/p][/quote]Very true Lines[/p][/quote]Southy, As you are the biggest liar and fantasist on this message board, I call on you to resign..... james47
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3:27pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days. southy
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3:30pm Fri 19 Oct 12

miltonarcher says...

Over the Edge wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Why are we surprised at this shambles? Look at what Brown, Balls and Blair did to the economy, biggest deficit in Europe that we are all now having to pay for.
Did any of those 3 Labour politician have anything to with the economies of Greece, Spain, Italy or the Eire? No they didn't.

I suppose those countries are skint because of the last Labour Government of the UK?

Brown's economic policy was welcomed and supported by the Tories (CaMoron) and that other shower, when passed in the house of commons.

This lot will lose us our triple a rating, then we can look forward to an economy like Spain's Greece's Italy's and Eire's.
We were left with a bigger deficit than the countries you listed. I guess it didn't help when Gordon Clown sold off our gold at the bottom of the market. Ed Balls was one of his advisors ULP!
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Why are we surprised at this shambles? Look at what Brown, Balls and Blair did to the economy, biggest deficit in Europe that we are all now having to pay for.[/p][/quote]Did any of those 3 Labour politician have anything to with the economies of Greece, Spain, Italy or the Eire? No they didn't. I suppose those countries are skint because of the last Labour Government of the UK? Brown's economic policy was welcomed and supported by the Tories (CaMoron) and that other shower, when passed in the house of commons. This lot will lose us our triple a rating, then we can look forward to an economy like Spain's Greece's Italy's and Eire's.[/p][/quote]We were left with a bigger deficit than the countries you listed. I guess it didn't help when Gordon Clown sold off our gold at the bottom of the market. Ed Balls was one of his advisors ULP! miltonarcher
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3:31pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
Bobby this is where it all started.
Lone Ranger. says...
10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12

IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar.
At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?
[quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.[/p][/quote]Bobby this is where it all started. Lone Ranger. says... 10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12 IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar. At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why? loosehead
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3:36pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]You are a disgrace aren't you? A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was. loosehead
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3:38pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
Yes, but if it wasn't for Ascension Island we would have been pretty stuffed for refuelling wouldn't we?

Operation Black Buck for example would have been impossible without the island or the staff that manned it, so they where fully involved in the war effort.

So what you're saying is that the men who manned the Ascension (note the correct spelling) didn't contribute to the Falklands War then? So, what are they, cowards who hid on the island?

I don't know exactly what Royston Smith did during the Falklands War, but to belittle all the staff stationed there just for your own spin is rather disgraceful.
Black buck would of gone ahead with or with out Ascension RAF air base, its just that base is shared with the Americans was why it was used, and not one off the other Atlantic Islands that are closer that are known as the islanders.
Smith was an engineer in the RAF, the Black Buck operations of the Vulcan bombers that was a different Squadron, Smith was with the Airborne Radar Squadron.
Do that help you a little, refuling can be done in the air.
Yes, because anyone who knows anything about the Op knows that Victors were used to refuel other tankers and the Vulcans.

You have been asked numerous times now how the truth was changed about the incident aboard HMS Astute, not just by me.

Now tell us what it is, we don't need to know your sources in naval intelligence, we just want to know the truth as you claim to know it is.

Tell us or risk making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Tell us the truth!!!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]Yes, but if it wasn't for Ascension Island we would have been pretty stuffed for refuelling wouldn't we? Operation Black Buck for example would have been impossible without the island or the staff that manned it, so they where fully involved in the war effort. So what you're saying is that the men who manned the Ascension (note the correct spelling) didn't contribute to the Falklands War then? So, what are they, cowards who hid on the island? I don't know exactly what Royston Smith did during the Falklands War, but to belittle all the staff stationed there just for your own spin is rather disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Black buck would of gone ahead with or with out Ascension RAF air base, its just that base is shared with the Americans was why it was used, and not one off the other Atlantic Islands that are closer that are known as the islanders. Smith was an engineer in the RAF, the Black Buck operations of the Vulcan bombers that was a different Squadron, Smith was with the Airborne Radar Squadron. Do that help you a little, refuling can be done in the air.[/p][/quote]Yes, because anyone who knows anything about the Op knows that Victors were used to refuel other tankers and the Vulcans. You have been asked numerous times now how the truth was changed about the incident aboard HMS Astute, not just by me. Now tell us what it is, we don't need to know your sources in naval intelligence, we just want to know the truth as you claim to know it is. Tell us or risk making an even bigger fool of yourself. Tell us the truth!!!! Shoong
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3:42pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
Bobby this is where it all started.
Lone Ranger. says...
10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12

IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar.
At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?
But you bought up about the sub first losse not lone, lone was questioning about the museum, when the Troys was saying that it will not come out of the public purse, and that was before any ground work building had even started, but it endded up it did come out of the public purse.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.[/p][/quote]Bobby this is where it all started. Lone Ranger. says... 10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12 IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar. At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?[/p][/quote]But you bought up about the sub first losse not lone, lone was questioning about the museum, when the Troys was saying that it will not come out of the public purse, and that was before any ground work building had even started, but it endded up it did come out of the public purse. southy
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3:46pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Sorry posters but when a Labour council has been shown to be liars & their leader to be a disgrace it makes my blood boil to see idiots on here attacking Royston & Moulton.
No matter if you hated their policies they gave it to you straight they have shown exactly where the money has come from for the museum.
When Labour & the Unions agreed to restoration of pay Labour said that the 3million needed would come from the fund saved for fighting court action which the last council by law had to save from the existing budget.
At no time was the loan used to fight the strikers as if memory reminds me they saved money employing temps/contractors & not paying strikers didn't they?
Selling off of Millbrook industrial estate bought in more than enough to pay off Crawley council so once again where did they lie?
The Tories built the first council homes in a decade so why were they against the working class?
Williams Labour & it seems the Unions have done nothing but lie to us all & I for one would love to see the Echo take Williams to court for slander.
Southy,Lone Ranger ,on the inside, Stop deflecting the issue & admit Williams & this Labour council are worse than the Tories & no better if not as good as June Bridles fiasco council years
Sorry posters but when a Labour council has been shown to be liars & their leader to be a disgrace it makes my blood boil to see idiots on here attacking Royston & Moulton. No matter if you hated their policies they gave it to you straight they have shown exactly where the money has come from for the museum. When Labour & the Unions agreed to restoration of pay Labour said that the 3million needed would come from the fund saved for fighting court action which the last council by law had to save from the existing budget. At no time was the loan used to fight the strikers as if memory reminds me they saved money employing temps/contractors & not paying strikers didn't they? Selling off of Millbrook industrial estate bought in more than enough to pay off Crawley council so once again where did they lie? The Tories built the first council homes in a decade so why were they against the working class? Williams Labour & it seems the Unions have done nothing but lie to us all & I for one would love to see the Echo take Williams to court for slander. Southy,Lone Ranger ,on the inside, Stop deflecting the issue & admit Williams & this Labour council are worse than the Tories & no better if not as good as June Bridles fiasco council years loosehead
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3:51pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
Bobby this is where it all started.
Lone Ranger. says...
10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12

IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar.
At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?
But you bought up about the sub first losse not lone, lone was questioning about the museum, when the Troys was saying that it will not come out of the public purse, and that was before any ground work building had even started, but it endded up it did come out of the public purse.
Southy he was questioning the two conservative councillors honesty & I remember those who came out with the sick accusations about PR stunts & how the hell can you defend this Lying Labour council please Southy get your priorities right & attack the liars
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.[/p][/quote]Bobby this is where it all started. Lone Ranger. says... 10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12 IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar. At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?[/p][/quote]But you bought up about the sub first losse not lone, lone was questioning about the museum, when the Troys was saying that it will not come out of the public purse, and that was before any ground work building had even started, but it endded up it did come out of the public purse.[/p][/quote]Southy he was questioning the two conservative councillors honesty & I remember those who came out with the sick accusations about PR stunts & how the hell can you defend this Lying Labour council please Southy get your priorities right & attack the liars loosehead
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3:53pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Nicole23 says...

They lied to get elected in the first place, what did you expect from the party with no class or morals.
They lied to get elected in the first place, what did you expect from the party with no class or morals. Nicole23
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3:55pm Fri 19 Oct 12

sfby says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote: Any way back to the artical, Williams should resign as leader of the Labour and Council, but this do not mean he will lose his Councillor job, I think a few of you are hoping for a Council by-election this will not happen, all that will happen is he would lose his leadership but stays as a councillor till that is his term off office as come to an end and if its not all blown over by then he will get replace at that election.
'Anyway, back to the article..' Did it suddenly hit home that you should have kept it shut on this one? Because you just made it up? So we only have to wait 25 years to find out if you are full of it or not then? You'll excuse me if I don't and assume you said something very silly which hopefully you regret. Propaganda and spin, you should be getting in contact with the RN officer who died and letting his family know.
Oh, I don't think we have to wait 25 years to find out if Southy's full of it.....
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Any way back to the artical, Williams should resign as leader of the Labour and Council, but this do not mean he will lose his Councillor job, I think a few of you are hoping for a Council by-election this will not happen, all that will happen is he would lose his leadership but stays as a councillor till that is his term off office as come to an end and if its not all blown over by then he will get replace at that election.[/p][/quote]'Anyway, back to the article..' Did it suddenly hit home that you should have kept it shut on this one? Because you just made it up? So we only have to wait 25 years to find out if you are full of it or not then? You'll excuse me if I don't and assume you said something very silly which hopefully you regret. Propaganda and spin, you should be getting in contact with the RN officer who died and letting his family know.[/p][/quote]Oh, I don't think we have to wait 25 years to find out if Southy's full of it..... sfby
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3:56pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.
They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]You are a disgrace aren't you? A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.[/p][/quote]They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this. Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations. Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react. southy
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4:04pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bobbyboy wrote:
How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.
Bobby this is where it all started.
Lone Ranger. says...
10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12

IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
.
.
Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar.
At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?
But you bought up about the sub first losse not lone, lone was questioning about the museum, when the Troys was saying that it will not come out of the public purse, and that was before any ground work building had even started, but it endded up it did come out of the public purse.
Southy he was questioning the two conservative councillors honesty & I remember those who came out with the sick accusations about PR stunts & how the hell can you defend this Lying Labour council please Southy get your priorities right & attack the liars
I not defending them loose, I put them in the same league as the Torys.
I can remember before the Elections at a time when the services was on strike, and we was having all those Rallys and Demos ect here in southampton, Did I not point out these matters at the time about the Labour Party.
All but 2 Councillors crossed the Public services national strike picket lines.
And did I not say what Williams had said about Job loses and cuts in public service if there was a Labour controlled council, and all that came out of the Labour Party was "Williams being missed quoted by the media".
I do not trust the Labour Party just as much as I would not trust the Lib/Dems and Torys, these are not Political Partys for the majority of people, they represent the minority.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: How did it get from what happened on a Navy Ship during a CIVIC RECEPTION to the main piont of the story that the so called Councillor Lied and told his Councillors to lie as well that is a resignation in the highest degree the sooner the better the man cannot be trusted in High Office END OFF.[/p][/quote]Bobby this is where it all started. Lone Ranger. says... 10:55am Fri 19 Oct 12 IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . so this ardent Labour supporter questioned Royston & Moultons honesty he has had God knows how many people pointing out to him where the money's coming from for that museum but still insists on calling Royston a liar. At the time of the Submarine many Labour/pro union supporters came on here saying it was all a PR stunt by Royston & as you've now seen Southy still calls into question what happened & Roystons bravery but seems to fail to attack an out & out liar in Williams I wonder why?[/p][/quote]But you bought up about the sub first losse not lone, lone was questioning about the museum, when the Troys was saying that it will not come out of the public purse, and that was before any ground work building had even started, but it endded up it did come out of the public purse.[/p][/quote]Southy he was questioning the two conservative councillors honesty & I remember those who came out with the sick accusations about PR stunts & how the hell can you defend this Lying Labour council please Southy get your priorities right & attack the liars[/p][/quote]I not defending them loose, I put them in the same league as the Torys. I can remember before the Elections at a time when the services was on strike, and we was having all those Rallys and Demos ect here in southampton, Did I not point out these matters at the time about the Labour Party. All but 2 Councillors crossed the Public services national strike picket lines. And did I not say what Williams had said about Job loses and cuts in public service if there was a Labour controlled council, and all that came out of the Labour Party was "Williams being missed quoted by the media". I do not trust the Labour Party just as much as I would not trust the Lib/Dems and Torys, these are not Political Partys for the majority of people, they represent the minority. southy
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4:21pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.
They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.
Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself.

Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox.

You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]You are a disgrace aren't you? A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.[/p][/quote]They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this. Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations. Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.[/p][/quote]Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself. Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox. You are a disgrace to your party and yourself. Shoong
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4:35pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.
They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.
Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself.

Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox.

You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.
No Shoong its just you, maybe if you joined the arm or semi arm forces (government services) then you would know what is going on and you would have contacts and you who know where to look, you have not you chose to have an easy life.
But hey keep digging at me my popularity is going up. love it when you had a feeble attemp at me at buying tobacco under the counter the whole shop where I get my tobacco was laughing at you, and if I was you I would stay hiden behind your site name your being a great help in getting the TUSC name about
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]You are a disgrace aren't you? A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.[/p][/quote]They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this. Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations. Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.[/p][/quote]Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself. Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox. You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.[/p][/quote]No Shoong its just you, maybe if you joined the arm or semi arm forces (government services) then you would know what is going on and you would have contacts and you who know where to look, you have not you chose to have an easy life. But hey keep digging at me my popularity is going up. love it when you had a feeble attemp at me at buying tobacco under the counter the whole shop where I get my tobacco was laughing at you, and if I was you I would stay hiden behind your site name your being a great help in getting the TUSC name about southy
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4:42pm Fri 19 Oct 12

aldermoorboy says...

1/.Williams should do the honourable thing.
2/.Rayment appears to have known about the entire situation, how can she stand for police commissioner?
3/. All senior Labour Councillors should consider their positions for corrupting the new young Councillors.
4/.How many in Labour knew about this scandal, did our MP's know?
5/. As Labour misled the public at the last election, should the public have new elections now?
1/.Williams should do the honourable thing. 2/.Rayment appears to have known about the entire situation, how can she stand for police commissioner? 3/. All senior Labour Councillors should consider their positions for corrupting the new young Councillors. 4/.How many in Labour knew about this scandal, did our MP's know? 5/. As Labour misled the public at the last election, should the public have new elections now? aldermoorboy
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4:42pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.
Blair and witch in the same post? Sounds like you have a project on the go Peter.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.[/p][/quote]Blair and witch in the same post? Sounds like you have a project on the go Peter. Stillness
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4:44pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.
Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.[/p][/quote]Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up. Stillness
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4:50pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.
They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.
Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself.

Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox.

You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.
No Shoong its just you, maybe if you joined the arm or semi arm forces (government services) then you would know what is going on and you would have contacts and you who know where to look, you have not you chose to have an easy life.
But hey keep digging at me my popularity is going up. love it when you had a feeble attemp at me at buying tobacco under the counter the whole shop where I get my tobacco was laughing at you, and if I was you I would stay hiden behind your site name your being a great help in getting the TUSC name about
Peter I am not at all surprised to hear that your popularity is going up (according to you). I would have been shocked beyond words to hear that it had gone down. That would be truly impossible.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]You are a disgrace aren't you? A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.[/p][/quote]They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this. Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations. Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.[/p][/quote]Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself. Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox. You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.[/p][/quote]No Shoong its just you, maybe if you joined the arm or semi arm forces (government services) then you would know what is going on and you would have contacts and you who know where to look, you have not you chose to have an easy life. But hey keep digging at me my popularity is going up. love it when you had a feeble attemp at me at buying tobacco under the counter the whole shop where I get my tobacco was laughing at you, and if I was you I would stay hiden behind your site name your being a great help in getting the TUSC name about[/p][/quote]Peter I am not at all surprised to hear that your popularity is going up (according to you). I would have been shocked beyond words to hear that it had gone down. That would be truly impossible. Stillness
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4:55pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
fishfinger29 wrote:
Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.
So come on exactly what lies did Royston tell?
You never listen or understand it when anyone does tell you.
.
Anyone that tried to convince you of ANYTHING would be wasteing their time, ink or breath.
.
As proven on several occasions just recently ...... You are a total hypocrite
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fishfinger29[/bold] wrote: Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.[/p][/quote]So come on exactly what lies did Royston tell?[/p][/quote]You never listen or understand it when anyone does tell you. . Anyone that tried to convince you of ANYTHING would be wasteing their time, ink or breath. . As proven on several occasions just recently ...... You are a total hypocrite Lone Ranger.
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5:00pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.
Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.
Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.[/p][/quote]Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.[/p][/quote]Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet. You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism" southy
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5:07pm Fri 19 Oct 12

wilson castaway says...

Does anyone know a polititian who does not lie?
Does anyone know a polititian who does not lie? wilson castaway
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5:08pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
fishfinger29 wrote:
Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.
So come on exactly what lies did Royston tell?
You never listen or understand it when anyone does tell you.
.
Anyone that tried to convince you of ANYTHING would be wasteing their time, ink or breath.
.
As proven on several occasions just recently ...... You are a total hypocrite
Lone even lo Loose sits on the other side of me when it comes to political matters, I got to give him his due, he as openly declaired who he was and by name, and I would give him more credibility than most on here like Still and shoong who will hide behind a site name. these people don't have any.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fishfinger29[/bold] wrote: Royston says of Cllr Williams - “He has demonstrated that he is not only dishonest but untrustworthy. He no longer has any credibility and consequently the time has come for him to go.” The words Pot! Kettle! Black! spring to mind.[/p][/quote]So come on exactly what lies did Royston tell?[/p][/quote]You never listen or understand it when anyone does tell you. . Anyone that tried to convince you of ANYTHING would be wasteing their time, ink or breath. . As proven on several occasions just recently ...... You are a total hypocrite[/p][/quote]Lone even lo Loose sits on the other side of me when it comes to political matters, I got to give him his due, he as openly declaired who he was and by name, and I would give him more credibility than most on here like Still and shoong who will hide behind a site name. these people don't have any. southy
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5:09pm Fri 19 Oct 12

wilson castaway says...

Does anyone know a polititian who does not lie?
Does anyone know a polititian who does not lie? wilson castaway
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5:09pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Linesman says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
1/.Williams should do the honourable thing.
2/.Rayment appears to have known about the entire situation, how can she stand for police commissioner?
3/. All senior Labour Councillors should consider their positions for corrupting the new young Councillors.
4/.How many in Labour knew about this scandal, did our MP's know?
5/. As Labour misled the public at the last election, should the public have new elections now?
Why start at local level?

Why not start at the top?

Check out the Tory and LibDem manifesto promises before the last election, and compare it with what they have done since then.

If Cameron and Clegg do the honourable thing (for the first time since they came to power) then I am sure that Williams will follow their example.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: 1/.Williams should do the honourable thing. 2/.Rayment appears to have known about the entire situation, how can she stand for police commissioner? 3/. All senior Labour Councillors should consider their positions for corrupting the new young Councillors. 4/.How many in Labour knew about this scandal, did our MP's know? 5/. As Labour misled the public at the last election, should the public have new elections now?[/p][/quote]Why start at local level? Why not start at the top? Check out the Tory and LibDem manifesto promises before the last election, and compare it with what they have done since then. If Cameron and Clegg do the honourable thing (for the first time since they came to power) then I am sure that Williams will follow their example. Linesman
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5:15pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Red1918 says...

At the time of the no confidence motion I wrote that Williams should be forced to fall on his sword as leaving him in position was really leaving a hostage to fortune - and so it has come to pass. Unfortunately it was always going to end this way as he has always been devoid of any political philosophy, and motivated only by personal ambition.The bigger problem now is that he has brought the whole Labour Group into disrepute because they were stupid or naive enough to back him at the time.
Not only should he be forced to resign but so should Reynard and Payne as they were clearly at the centre of the cover up over Keith Morrell's resignation. Questions should be also raised over the cowardice of Denham and Whitehead by their refusal to do the obvious and disown Williams rather than simply keep quiet.
In the unlikely event a majority of Labour Councillors finally find their backbones and cleanse the Group of Williams and Co they could do a lot worse than invite Morrell and Thomas back in, in order to provide a clear political strategy for the City and a radical alternative to the unnecessary pain being dished out by the ConDem Coalition.
At the time of the no confidence motion I wrote that Williams should be forced to fall on his sword as leaving him in position was really leaving a hostage to fortune - and so it has come to pass. Unfortunately it was always going to end this way as he has always been devoid of any political philosophy, and motivated only by personal ambition.The bigger problem now is that he has brought the whole Labour Group into disrepute because they were stupid or naive enough to back him at the time. Not only should he be forced to resign but so should Reynard and Payne as they were clearly at the centre of the cover up over Keith Morrell's resignation. Questions should be also raised over the cowardice of Denham and Whitehead by their refusal to do the obvious and disown Williams rather than simply keep quiet. In the unlikely event a majority of Labour Councillors finally find their backbones and cleanse the Group of Williams and Co they could do a lot worse than invite Morrell and Thomas back in, in order to provide a clear political strategy for the City and a radical alternative to the unnecessary pain being dished out by the ConDem Coalition. Red1918
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5:18pm Fri 19 Oct 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.
Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.
Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"
.. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock.

I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.[/p][/quote]Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.[/p][/quote]Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet. You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"[/p][/quote].. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock. I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise. freefinker
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5:32pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Tell it as I see it says...

Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring.

Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise.

With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security.

What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.
Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise. Tell it as I see it
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5:37pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.
Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.
Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"
.. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock.

I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.
Go to youtube the bbc interview is on there, and it Kinnock, it is also in her autobiography book and again its kinnock.
What she said about Gorbachev was that man is trying to make changes, weather for the better or worse we will wait and see.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.[/p][/quote]Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.[/p][/quote]Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet. You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"[/p][/quote].. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock. I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.[/p][/quote]Go to youtube the bbc interview is on there, and it Kinnock, it is also in her autobiography book and again its kinnock. What she said about Gorbachev was that man is trying to make changes, weather for the better or worse we will wait and see. southy
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5:44pm Fri 19 Oct 12

james47 says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.
They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.
Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself.

Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox.

You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.
this is by far the best post I have ever seen...I am laughing so hard my sides hurt right now....
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]You are a disgrace aren't you? A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.[/p][/quote]They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this. Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations. Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.[/p][/quote]Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself. Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox. You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.[/p][/quote]this is by far the best post I have ever seen...I am laughing so hard my sides hurt right now.... james47
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5:45pm Fri 19 Oct 12

cantthinkofone says...

Nicole23 wrote:
They lied to get elected in the first place, what did you expect from the party with no class or morals.
lol. As opposed to all the other parties, overflowing with class and morality.
[quote][p][bold]Nicole23[/bold] wrote: They lied to get elected in the first place, what did you expect from the party with no class or morals.[/p][/quote]lol. As opposed to all the other parties, overflowing with class and morality. cantthinkofone
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5:52pm Fri 19 Oct 12

skin2000 says...

Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing.
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Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!!
.
I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone
Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article.

Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.
Perhaps you should read the Echo a bit more rather than just continually defending your dear blue incompetent Tory party. Its all there in black and white
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And to give you a chance to "judge" .... Who the hell do you think you are ??
Oh dear...

'Judge' as in to see for ourselves to so we can make our own minds up. Because, I'm not going to just take your word for it.

I'm not sure what you are seeing in my previous post, all I wanted to know is what these lies are. You might be right.
I'm not defending anyone, there was nothing in my previous post to indicate any type of defence and I was also querying really what the Sea Museum was to do with this particular story.

Well, I suppose if the roles were reversed here, you would be screaming from the rooftops and preparing a noose.

Is your inclusion of 'IF!!!' a defence of Cllr Williams then? I suppose if the wheels ever do actually turn on this one and Cllr Williams has been found to have lied (or should that be mis-lead? Everyone seems to think they are different, I don't), will you come out and defend him?
Shoong, do you ever doubt your opinion?
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IF !!! Cllr Williams deliberately lied and deliberately issued misleading statements then he should do the decent thing. . . Now when will Cllr's Smith and Moulton do exactly the same over the deliberate lies re funding of the Sea Museum .... will they do the decent thing !!!!!!! . I doubt it ......... As the Echo will be stuck for "quotes" ... and they dont have the backbone[/p][/quote]Some people do have an unhealthy fixation with the Sea Museum, it's funny because I can't find a single quote about it in the article. Regarding these lies over it's funding, can you detail these lies and let us know the source of your information concerning them, so we can all have a look and judge for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should read the Echo a bit more rather than just continually defending your dear blue incompetent Tory party. Its all there in black and white . And to give you a chance to "judge" .... Who the hell do you think you are ??[/p][/quote]Oh dear... 'Judge' as in to see for ourselves to so we can make our own minds up. Because, I'm not going to just take your word for it. I'm not sure what you are seeing in my previous post, all I wanted to know is what these lies are. You might be right. I'm not defending anyone, there was nothing in my previous post to indicate any type of defence and I was also querying really what the Sea Museum was to do with this particular story. Well, I suppose if the roles were reversed here, you would be screaming from the rooftops and preparing a noose. Is your inclusion of 'IF!!!' a defence of Cllr Williams then? I suppose if the wheels ever do actually turn on this one and Cllr Williams has been found to have lied (or should that be mis-lead? Everyone seems to think they are different, I don't), will you come out and defend him?[/p][/quote]Shoong, do you ever doubt your opinion? skin2000
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5:55pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

james47 wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day.
Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port.
Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled.
Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.
You are a disgrace aren't you?
A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.
They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this.
Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations.
Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.
Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself.

Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox.

You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.
this is by far the best post I have ever seen...I am laughing so hard my sides hurt right now....
Well be careful you dont wet yourself as your nappy will need changing again. Now run along and play with children your own age.
.
Oh yes and get mum to change the parental code on the laptop to stop the children from playing with it
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Likesadrink I don't know the full story I got shut out, not long after I post on here that not long after when that happened, 2 RN personals got comendations for there actions on that day. Let me put it this way, Do you think a sub of that nature in our times of this period when we have invaded countrys, would come into a civilian port unprotected, they are not unprotected in a RN port. Another point at the public hearing Smithy was located on the other side of the table, and did get involved and ended up sitting on top off the man they tackled. Smithy is very apt at using words to his advantage and who could blame him a lot of people would, its like Smithy saying he was in the Falklands when really he was in the Falklands war and base at the Accension Islands RAF base, whitch is a few 1000's miles away from the Falklands, its true to an extent but it is also misleading.[/p][/quote]You are a disgrace aren't you? A Royal Navy Sub in British waters would have no armed personnel on board & anyone that nutter got near he shot & commendations as you put it were given to two civilians & guess what Williams wasn't one of them but Royston was.[/p][/quote]They do not need to be armed as in fire arm loose and I would of thought you would of know this. Before the 2 civilians got comendations 2 RN personal got comendations. Think loose who else would of been put on that Sub, who are trained in terrorist matters.yes your right there Williams was't one of civilians but then I would of though he would off been to slow to react, if he was there where as Royston is condition to react.[/p][/quote]Peter Wyatt, TUSC member, Redbridge, you are simply trying to dig yourself out of a hole you have dug for yourself. Your bare faced lies, hypocrisy and fantasies to discredit your political opponents are abhorrent, you are a bitter and twisted little man who is about as electable as smallpox. You are a disgrace to your party and yourself.[/p][/quote]this is by far the best post I have ever seen...I am laughing so hard my sides hurt right now....[/p][/quote]Well be careful you dont wet yourself as your nappy will need changing again. Now run along and play with children your own age. . Oh yes and get mum to change the parental code on the laptop to stop the children from playing with it Lone Ranger.
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5:57pm Fri 19 Oct 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.
Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.
Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"
.. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock.

I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.
Go to youtube the bbc interview is on there, and it Kinnock, it is also in her autobiography book and again its kinnock.
What she said about Gorbachev was that man is trying to make changes, weather for the better or worse we will wait and see.
.. I think you will need to be a little bit more precise than that. Like a URL.

I am loath to accept anything you say of a factual nature because experience over the last two years has demonstrated that most "facts" you post on this site are just made up and turn out to be wholly wrong.

But I have found this on youtube - Thatcher about Gorbachov: -
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=ja1SQ-Mnq
X4
I think you will now recall this is actually what you were thinking of.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.[/p][/quote]Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.[/p][/quote]Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet. You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"[/p][/quote].. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock. I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.[/p][/quote]Go to youtube the bbc interview is on there, and it Kinnock, it is also in her autobiography book and again its kinnock. What she said about Gorbachev was that man is trying to make changes, weather for the better or worse we will wait and see.[/p][/quote].. I think you will need to be a little bit more precise than that. Like a URL. I am loath to accept anything you say of a factual nature because experience over the last two years has demonstrated that most "facts" you post on this site are just made up and turn out to be wholly wrong. But I have found this on youtube - Thatcher about Gorbachov: - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=ja1SQ-Mnq X4 I think you will now recall this is actually what you were thinking of. freefinker
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6:08pm Fri 19 Oct 12

billkearns says...

Is the Councillor Rayment who prevaricates on the issue of the press relief the same Councillor who wishes to be our first Commissioner of Police?
Is the Councillor Rayment who prevaricates on the issue of the press relief the same Councillor who wishes to be our first Commissioner of Police? billkearns
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6:12pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Tell it as I see it wrote:
Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring.

Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise.

With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security.

What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.
Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key.
And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.
[quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.[/p][/quote]Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be. southy
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6:42pm Fri 19 Oct 12

MGRA says...

This is not a political issue. Its a professional ethics one. He lied. He must resign.
This is not a political issue. Its a professional ethics one. He lied. He must resign. MGRA
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6:54pm Fri 19 Oct 12

FoysCornerBoy says...

southy wrote:
Tell it as I see it wrote:
Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring.

Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise.

With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security.

What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.
Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key.
And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.
I've become intrigued. Can anyone enlighten me as to the actual sequence of events on the day in question? Who did what and when? Who actually disarmed the perpetrator? Who took overall responsibility for managing the news story?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.[/p][/quote]Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.[/p][/quote]I've become intrigued. Can anyone enlighten me as to the actual sequence of events on the day in question? Who did what and when? Who actually disarmed the perpetrator? Who took overall responsibility for managing the news story? FoysCornerBoy
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7:01pm Fri 19 Oct 12

FoysCornerBoy says...

southy wrote:
Tell it as I see it wrote:
Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring.

Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise.

With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security.

What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.
Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key.
And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.
I've become intrigued. Can anyone enlighten me as to the actual sequence of events on the day in question? Who did what and when? Who actually disarmed the perpetrator? Who took overall responsibility for managing the news story?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.[/p][/quote]Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.[/p][/quote]I've become intrigued. Can anyone enlighten me as to the actual sequence of events on the day in question? Who did what and when? Who actually disarmed the perpetrator? Who took overall responsibility for managing the news story? FoysCornerBoy
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7:19pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Linesman says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.
Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.
Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"
.. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock.

I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.
She also said it about Ronald Regan, and we know his mental state.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.[/p][/quote]Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.[/p][/quote]Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet. You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"[/p][/quote].. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock. I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.[/p][/quote]She also said it about Ronald Regan, and we know his mental state. Linesman
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7:31pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.
Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.
Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet.
You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"
.. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock.

I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.
She also said it about Ronald Regan, and we know his mental state.
lol Lines and theres the connection of Thatcher and mass murder of women and kids ex-president of Chile Pinochet,
It do make you wonder.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]Most people do because that is what as happened, remember what Thatcher said about Kinnock "now heres is a man that I can work with" It was Kinnock that started the Left wing witch hunt to get them booted out or push out of the Labour Party, a witch hunt that is still going on today, then there was Blair saying "there will be no change in Thatcher Policy" so the word Conservatised is a good choice of word it describs the Labour Party now days.[/p][/quote]Yeah, good choice word and along with most of your words you made it up.[/p][/quote]Not made all facts, and as pass into history of what did happen, Quotes that have been repeated in books and recorded on news on radio, tv and internet. You just got to do some reading and reseching, the BBC is where Thatcher said that about Neil Kinnock, its also repeated in her Autobiography book, and Bliar said what he said after winning the election and before moving into number 10 at a meeting of the Labour party faithfall. Kinnock actions off booting out the left is well remembered by those who use to be part of the Labour Party, and the left wing groups with in Labour party no longer there and since Milliband got selected, its been recorded what he as said all so " we want good capitalism" and we want reposable capitalism"[/p][/quote].. actually southy, Thatcher said "now heres is a man that I can work with" about Gorbachev, not Kinnock. I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise.[/p][/quote]She also said it about Ronald Regan, and we know his mental state.[/p][/quote]lol Lines and theres the connection of Thatcher and mass murder of women and kids ex-president of Chile Pinochet, It do make you wonder. southy
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7:32pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Any way those of you going to London tomorrow for the mass Demo March and Rally have a good day out.
Any way those of you going to London tomorrow for the mass Demo March and Rally have a good day out. southy
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7:42pm Fri 19 Oct 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Any way those of you going to London tomorrow for the mass Demo March and Rally have a good day out.
You still haven't provided ANY evidence re Thatcher and Kinnock - but I have provided the Thatcher Gorbachev link.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Any way those of you going to London tomorrow for the mass Demo March and Rally have a good day out.[/p][/quote]You still haven't provided ANY evidence re Thatcher and Kinnock - but I have provided the Thatcher Gorbachev link. freefinker
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8:01pm Fri 19 Oct 12

cantthinkofone says...

Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh. cantthinkofone
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8:32pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it?
Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party.
How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs?
How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars?
They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they?
the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in.
I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing?
The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?
Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.
You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.
Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory.

Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know.

Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.
Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years.
Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.
These are your words:

'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.'

As you implied, as you brought it up:

'The Government interfered with the full story'.

That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'.

Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please.

Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.
It implies to you only and maybe the few that think like you, what happens on a RN vessel is a matter of state, and the state got involved right away, Smithy knows what I mean he would of signed the same artical as me, when he joined the RAF.
I signed the OSA when I joined the Army Reserve, I am still serving and bound by the the Act. The armed duty guard shot and killed a member of the crew. When this happens, irrespective of the surroundings or who is present, the civilian Police as well as ModPlod get involved. Everything that happened that day, including the events leading up to the fateful shooting, was covered in the court case. Nothing, but nothing, was retracted, hidden, disguised or modified to hide anything. As their were no proceedings behind closed doors in the case, no detail or revelation was deemed to be above Restricted and anyway you would of heard about it by now. To suggest otherwise shows a level of stupidity and a desire to regurgitate a lost cause. For what?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when Williams gave an interview with the Echo stating 1-10 refuse jobs were to go & fortnightly collections were to happen but then when the councils got upset he put out a statement basically calling the Echo Journalist a liar & said he Cllr. Williams never said it we can now take it he Cllr. Williams was lying & he did say it? Refuse Workers were used as pawns in a political chess game by the Unions & the Labour party. How soon will it be now they've dropped the claims for pots of gold the unions promised them & accepted lower Redundancy payments & lower pensions will they learn they've been taken for mugs? How can any one suggest that Royston & Moulton are liars? They told the workers pay cuts or huge job losses didn't they? the idiot who goes on about Sea City Museum has been shown & told how it was financed but it doesn't seem to sink in. I also remember the left claiming Royston staged the shooting on the Submarine & others suggesting he only did it as a PR stunt & others saying he was lying he did nothing? The coroner & the Navy proved them all wrong & he was in fact a person who would put his life at risk to save others would Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently it's perfectly ok to nickname him 'Rambo' because of what happened that day. A man died for gawd's sake.[/p][/quote]You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.[/p][/quote]Please provide evidence on which you base your latest conspiracy theory. Don't keep these thing to yourself, the public deserves to know. Otherwise we're going to assume you are making it up.[/p][/quote]Its not conspiracy, evidence will be release in 25 years. Why is it you come out with things like conspiracy for when there is no conspiracy going on.[/p][/quote]These are your words: 'You will not learn what really happened that day, The Government interfered with the full story, they govern what was said and what was not said.' As you implied, as you brought it up: 'The Government interfered with the full story'. That implies to me, a 'conspiracy'. Now, as you seem to be in the know, can you please prove the coroner, and the Naval investigation wrong please. Looking forward to your response, it's a good job we have you around fighting for the truth rather than just making up accusations and spinning propaganda.[/p][/quote]It implies to you only and maybe the few that think like you, what happens on a RN vessel is a matter of state, and the state got involved right away, Smithy knows what I mean he would of signed the same artical as me, when he joined the RAF.[/p][/quote]I signed the OSA when I joined the Army Reserve, I am still serving and bound by the the Act. The armed duty guard shot and killed a member of the crew. When this happens, irrespective of the surroundings or who is present, the civilian Police as well as ModPlod get involved. Everything that happened that day, including the events leading up to the fateful shooting, was covered in the court case. Nothing, but nothing, was retracted, hidden, disguised or modified to hide anything. As their were no proceedings behind closed doors in the case, no detail or revelation was deemed to be above Restricted and anyway you would of heard about it by now. To suggest otherwise shows a level of stupidity and a desire to regurgitate a lost cause. For what? Sir Ad E Noid
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8:52pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Tell it as I see it says...

southy wrote:
Tell it as I see it wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.
Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.
Southy,
Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.[/p][/quote]Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.[/p][/quote]Southy, Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer. Tell it as I see it
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9:14pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Tell it as I see it wrote:
southy wrote:
Tell it as I see it wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.
Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.
Southy,
Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.
No mystery, its just the way it is, The Navy can get all that the police find out, but the police can only ask the navy, and its down to the navy what they release at the time.
Yes it was a visit off not just civic dignitaries, others to there was school kids about also on that day. but the navy do put any vessel under watchful eyes more so when not in a RN port and they would of joined the sub at the last change. there was a change at the time the sub moored along side.
[quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.[/p][/quote]Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.[/p][/quote]Southy, Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.[/p][/quote]No mystery, its just the way it is, The Navy can get all that the police find out, but the police can only ask the navy, and its down to the navy what they release at the time. Yes it was a visit off not just civic dignitaries, others to there was school kids about also on that day. but the navy do put any vessel under watchful eyes more so when not in a RN port and they would of joined the sub at the last change. there was a change at the time the sub moored along side. southy
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9:17pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
southy wrote:
Tell it as I see it wrote:
Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring.

Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise.

With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security.

What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.
Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key.
And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.
I've become intrigued. Can anyone enlighten me as to the actual sequence of events on the day in question? Who did what and when? Who actually disarmed the perpetrator? Who took overall responsibility for managing the news story?
A Navy Rating on gun cleaning duty turned a gun on officers & fellow ratings.
two visitors one being Royston Smith & sorry I forget his name tackled the rating to the floor disarming him before he could shoot any one else.
then in this paper people made out it was a PR stunt?
Some said Royston was lying as he never had anything to do with it.
Now we still have the likes of Lone Ranger & Southy on here doubting Royston & Moultons credulity ?
Sea City Museum was financed by grants & a loan by Crawley which was paid for by selling an antiquated industrial site yet Lone Ranger still goes on about Council workers pay paying for it?
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.[/p][/quote]Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.[/p][/quote]I've become intrigued. Can anyone enlighten me as to the actual sequence of events on the day in question? Who did what and when? Who actually disarmed the perpetrator? Who took overall responsibility for managing the news story?[/p][/quote]A Navy Rating on gun cleaning duty turned a gun on officers & fellow ratings. two visitors one being Royston Smith & sorry I forget his name tackled the rating to the floor disarming him before he could shoot any one else. then in this paper people made out it was a PR stunt? Some said Royston was lying as he never had anything to do with it. Now we still have the likes of Lone Ranger & Southy on here doubting Royston & Moultons credulity ? Sea City Museum was financed by grants & a loan by Crawley which was paid for by selling an antiquated industrial site yet Lone Ranger still goes on about Council workers pay paying for it? loosehead
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9:22pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Can anynoe answer this one. If Morrell knew about Williams lies & confided in Thomas why didn't they out him?
How can we trust either of these two?
We have a leader of the Council & all his p[arty lying to us now we have two of them supposedly standing in opposition against him as a separate party?
Is this just another lie? is it just a subterfuge to get Labour re-elected in Coxford?
Oh! Southy I was in the TA it was the RCT 233 squadron 155 regiment V.
so I know about the OSA
Can anynoe answer this one. If Morrell knew about Williams lies & confided in Thomas why didn't they out him? How can we trust either of these two? We have a leader of the Council & all his p[arty lying to us now we have two of them supposedly standing in opposition against him as a separate party? Is this just another lie? is it just a subterfuge to get Labour re-elected in Coxford? Oh! Southy I was in the TA it was the RCT 233 squadron 155 regiment V. so I know about the OSA loosehead
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9:37pm Fri 19 Oct 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Tell it as I see it wrote:
southy wrote:
Tell it as I see it wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.
Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.
Southy,
Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.
No mystery, its just the way it is, The Navy can get all that the police find out, but the police can only ask the navy, and its down to the navy what they release at the time.
Yes it was a visit off not just civic dignitaries, others to there was school kids about also on that day. but the navy do put any vessel under watchful eyes more so when not in a RN port and they would of joined the sub at the last change. there was a change at the time the sub moored along side.
So you're saying in a civilian port civilian police wouldn't have been involved?
So every time we as a squadron went on any exercise the RMP's would have had to come with us?
In a Military Port shore patrol/RMP's would have arrested him & I think it's Colchester Military prison or the Navy equivalent he could have been held in.
but this was a Civvy Port & Civvies were involved so CIVVY police would have held investigations so are you Southy calling them Corrupt?
Do yourself a favour stop attacking Royston & the Tory party & show the people you are an alternative to this lying Labour council.
Southy thank you for what you've said to Lone Ranger but don't worry the guy can't see the truth when it's staring him in the face he just calls people names
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.[/p][/quote]Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.[/p][/quote]Southy, Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.[/p][/quote]No mystery, its just the way it is, The Navy can get all that the police find out, but the police can only ask the navy, and its down to the navy what they release at the time. Yes it was a visit off not just civic dignitaries, others to there was school kids about also on that day. but the navy do put any vessel under watchful eyes more so when not in a RN port and they would of joined the sub at the last change. there was a change at the time the sub moored along side.[/p][/quote]So you're saying in a civilian port civilian police wouldn't have been involved? So every time we as a squadron went on any exercise the RMP's would have had to come with us? In a Military Port shore patrol/RMP's would have arrested him & I think it's Colchester Military prison or the Navy equivalent he could have been held in. but this was a Civvy Port & Civvies were involved so CIVVY police would have held investigations so are you Southy calling them Corrupt? Do yourself a favour stop attacking Royston & the Tory party & show the people you are an alternative to this lying Labour council. Southy thank you for what you've said to Lone Ranger but don't worry the guy can't see the truth when it's staring him in the face he just calls people names loosehead
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9:41pm Fri 19 Oct 12

HillsidePaul says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.
Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.[/p][/quote]Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist. HillsidePaul
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9:55pm Fri 19 Oct 12

cantthinkofone says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.
Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.
I beg to differ. The terms "Uncle Tom" and "Coconut" that he's used on this very site - and refused to apologise for - are most certainly racist.
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.[/p][/quote]Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.[/p][/quote]I beg to differ. The terms "Uncle Tom" and "Coconut" that he's used on this very site - and refused to apologise for - are most certainly racist. cantthinkofone
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10:19pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

Free wrong one, the one to look for is in the second part of a bbc interview at the shepardbush, where she got up and walk out because question was ask that she did not arthorise to be ask.
Free wrong one, the one to look for is in the second part of a bbc interview at the shepardbush, where she got up and walk out because question was ask that she did not arthorise to be ask. southy
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10:24pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.
Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.
I beg to differ. The terms "Uncle Tom" and "Coconut" that he's used on this very site - and refused to apologise for - are most certainly racist.
Like the term that natives of north america use the term "apple" meaning red on the out side but white on the inside, think your find that coconut as the same term of meaning its not being rascist but descriptive.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.[/p][/quote]Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.[/p][/quote]I beg to differ. The terms "Uncle Tom" and "Coconut" that he's used on this very site - and refused to apologise for - are most certainly racist.[/p][/quote]Like the term that natives of north america use the term "apple" meaning red on the out side but white on the inside, think your find that coconut as the same term of meaning its not being rascist but descriptive. southy
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10:31pm Fri 19 Oct 12

cantthinkofone says...

southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN.

Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based.

That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats.

Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx
I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.
Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.
I beg to differ. The terms "Uncle Tom" and "Coconut" that he's used on this very site - and refused to apologise for - are most certainly racist.
Like the term that natives of north america use the term "apple" meaning red on the out side but white on the inside, think your find that coconut as the same term of meaning its not being rascist but descriptive.
*facepalm*

So there's a "white" way of behaving and a "black" way of behaving is there southy?

If you can't see the inherent racism is that, and thus those terms, I really do despair.

Have I accidentally travelled back to the 1970's or something?

Even IronLady or whatever her name is, who's hardly a left-wing radical, was disgusted at the racist Bahia using those terms.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Leader of Southampton Council and the Dear Leader of Labour Group Cllr. Richard Williams may not know what to say on scandal of spouting out and out most disgraceful lies on the subject of Cllr. Keith Morrell’s resignation, because it may be difficult and embarrassing to admit his total unsuitability for holding any public office, BUT in my view he can exercise one of the most easiest options….. RESIGN. Personally speaking, I am not at all surprised about the scale of this shameless scandal in which every single NuLabour Councillor is involved. Because to lie and cheat has become natural thing to do in this dishonest and Conservatised NuLabour Party, which has ditched virtually all the values upon which The Labour Party was based. That is why not only I but many others also started leaving NuLabour when that master of spin and allergic to truth author of illegal and immoral Iraq War Blair became the Leader of this Party, which is now dominated by turn coats. Considering every single NuLabour councillor in Southampton is integral part of this shameful scandal, because they all lined up to knowingly cover up lies in special Council meeting, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.[/p][/quote]Love it. Lying, cheating labour group due to being "conservatised" lol. Bless you Paramjit xxx[/p][/quote]I hate to agree with the racist Paramjit Bahia, but he does have a point here. On a national level, Labour list their soul by bringing themselves closer to the conservatives. How much this affected local politics I'm unsure though tbh.[/p][/quote]Paramjit Bahia is many thing including just plain wrong on some occasions but he is NOT a racist.[/p][/quote]I beg to differ. The terms "Uncle Tom" and "Coconut" that he's used on this very site - and refused to apologise for - are most certainly racist.[/p][/quote]Like the term that natives of north america use the term "apple" meaning red on the out side but white on the inside, think your find that coconut as the same term of meaning its not being rascist but descriptive.[/p][/quote]*facepalm* So there's a "white" way of behaving and a "black" way of behaving is there southy? If you can't see the inherent racism is that, and thus those terms, I really do despair. Have I accidentally travelled back to the 1970's or something? Even IronLady or whatever her name is, who's hardly a left-wing radical, was disgusted at the racist Bahia using those terms. cantthinkofone
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10:42pm Fri 19 Oct 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Tell it as I see it wrote:
southy wrote:
Tell it as I see it wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.
Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.
Southy,
Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.
No mystery, its just the way it is, The Navy can get all that the police find out, but the police can only ask the navy, and its down to the navy what they release at the time.
Yes it was a visit off not just civic dignitaries, others to there was school kids about also on that day. but the navy do put any vessel under watchful eyes more so when not in a RN port and they would of joined the sub at the last change. there was a change at the time the sub moored along side.
So you're saying in a civilian port civilian police wouldn't have been involved?
So every time we as a squadron went on any exercise the RMP's would have had to come with us?
In a Military Port shore patrol/RMP's would have arrested him & I think it's Colchester Military prison or the Navy equivalent he could have been held in.
but this was a Civvy Port & Civvies were involved so CIVVY police would have held investigations so are you Southy calling them Corrupt?
Do yourself a favour stop attacking Royston & the Tory party & show the people you are an alternative to this lying Labour council.
Southy thank you for what you've said to Lone Ranger but don't worry the guy can't see the truth when it's staring him in the face he just calls people names
Very miss leading loose, civvy police shore side till they been ask to board a RN vessel, Colcherster aka the Glasshouse is the main place to end up after a military courts, but not from a civil court.
I will attack not just the Torys I will attack Labour also and have done so, and I will tell you this I will say some thing if I ever see the TUSC do some thing wrong.
Lone is a Labour man though and though, just like your a Tory man though and though, and I am a Socialist though and though, and when you get a mix theres going to be some needling each other, some times its funny some times its not. that is life
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell it as I see it[/bold] wrote: Now then Southy all these not so subtle hints that you have led a life at the highest echelons of the MOD, and or M15 are getting sooooooo boring. Fact, all side arms aboard any warship are kept under lock and key, unfortunately the perpetrator in this case was on cleaning detail and had access to the keys including those of the armoury. Despite your hints to the contrary the security on board for a civic visit would have been fairly low key and involved only ships company - no outside agencies though you appear to hint otherwise. With regard to the Official Secrets Act, anything pertinent to the case would have either been a) Heard in the coroners court in camera (ie secret) or b) Declared to the coroner as disclosure likely to be contrary to National security. What ever else Mr Smith may or not be in your opinion it is clear that on the day he acted in a fashion worthy of a bravery award and yes two RN personnel also received awards, it was by all accounts a team effort to subdue and disarm the perpetrator, which in the confined space of a submarine should be of no surprise.[/p][/quote]Very well put, but the RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key. And yes your right there a team effort, and not the actions of a single person, like its been trying to made out to be.[/p][/quote]Southy, Not sure why you display such a desire to cast mystery on everything "RN don't deal with out side agencys they have there own people that do this type of work and keep a low key". There was no "type of work" it was, at least at first, simply a visit by civic dignitaries and to correct a previous poster the perpetrator was not an armed guard but a rating on cleaning duty who had been given access to the keys and had let himself into the armoury, armed himself and taken the life of an unarmed and unsuspecting naval officer.[/p][/quote]No mystery, its just the way it is, The Navy can get all that the police find out, but the police can only ask the navy, and its down to the navy what they release at the time. Yes it was a visit off not just civic dignitaries, others to there was school kids about also on that day. but the navy do put any vessel under watchful eyes more so when not in a RN port and they would of joined the sub at the last change. there was a change at the time the sub moored along side.[/p][/quote]So you're saying in a civilian port civilian police wouldn't have been involved? So every time we as a squadron went on any exercise the RMP's would have had to come with us? In a Military Port shore patrol/RMP's would have arrested him & I think it's Colchester Military prison or the Navy equivalent he could have been held in. but this was a Civvy Port & Civvies were involved so CIVVY police would have held investigations so are you Southy calling them Corrupt? Do yourself a favour stop attacking Royston & the Tory party & show the people you are an alternative to this lying Labour council. Southy thank you for what you've said to Lone Ranger but don't worry the guy can't see the truth when it's staring him in the face he just calls people names[/p][/quote]Very miss leading loose, civvy police shore side till they been ask to board a RN vessel, Colcherster aka the Glasshouse is the main place to end up after a military courts, but not from a civil court. I will attack not just the Torys I will attack Labour also and have done so, and I will tell you this I will say some thing if I ever see the TUSC do some thing wrong. Lone is a Labour man though and though, just like your a Tory man though and though, and I am a Socialist though and though, and when you get a mix theres going to be some needling each other, some times its funny some times its not. that is life southy
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11:19pm Fri 19 Oct 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Free wrong one, the one to look for is in the second part of a bbc interview at the shepardbush, where she got up and walk out because question was ask that she did not arthorise to be ask.
.. and the URL is?
Come on, let's have it.
If you've just looked it up, to be as precise as you are above, then there's no excuse for not sharing the URL. Or have you just made all this up as well?
As I've said above "I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise."
Over to you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Free wrong one, the one to look for is in the second part of a bbc interview at the shepardbush, where she got up and walk out because question was ask that she did not arthorise to be ask.[/p][/quote].. and the URL is? Come on, let's have it. If you've just looked it up, to be as precise as you are above, then there's no excuse for not sharing the URL. Or have you just made all this up as well? As I've said above "I will stand corrected if you can PROVE otherwise." Over to you. freefinker
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11:30pm Fri 19 Oct 12

IronLady2010 says...

I've read through the posts and can only say; is it wise to get rid of Williams at this point? I mean, he's only just started, let's see his full potential. If he goes, who will take his place. We have to make the most of what we've got, which isn't a lot.

Keep him so Tax Payers can see the true side of Labour. No doubt more things will turn up.
I've read through the posts and can only say; is it wise to get rid of Williams at this point? I mean, he's only just started, let's see his full potential. If he goes, who will take his place. We have to make the most of what we've got, which isn't a lot. Keep him so Tax Payers can see the true side of Labour. No doubt more things will turn up. IronLady2010
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6:50am Sat 20 Oct 12

aldermoorboy says...

School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10. Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it. Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign. aldermoorboy
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7:04am Sat 20 Oct 12

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
I've read through the posts and can only say; is it wise to get rid of Williams at this point? I mean, he's only just started, let's see his full potential. If he goes, who will take his place. We have to make the most of what we've got, which isn't a lot.

Keep him so Tax Payers can see the true side of Labour. No doubt more things will turn up.
Ironlady being a Tory voter I would agree with you.
The longer Williams & his Labour party atay in power in this term the more lies will come out & the more voters will be lost to them.
But this is a council that's so wrong in so many ways it's going to be disastrous for this city if they stay in for the full term.
The next administration will have to take such drastic actions Labour will change people's recollection of this term in office the same way people seem to have forgotten the June Bridle years
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I've read through the posts and can only say; is it wise to get rid of Williams at this point? I mean, he's only just started, let's see his full potential. If he goes, who will take his place. We have to make the most of what we've got, which isn't a lot. Keep him so Tax Payers can see the true side of Labour. No doubt more things will turn up.[/p][/quote]Ironlady being a Tory voter I would agree with you. The longer Williams & his Labour party atay in power in this term the more lies will come out & the more voters will be lost to them. But this is a council that's so wrong in so many ways it's going to be disastrous for this city if they stay in for the full term. The next administration will have to take such drastic actions Labour will change people's recollection of this term in office the same way people seem to have forgotten the June Bridle years loosehead
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8:04am Sat 20 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

Wow, this seems to more of a debate about Smithies role in the Falklands war, his part in the incident aboard HMS Astute than is does about Williams lying.

I do re-call last year Smithy no paying his car tax, which makes driving on the public highway a criminal offence, I said he should resign, not because he was Tory but because he was in public office and broke the law, Williams should resign because he lied and forced others (council employee's) to lie for him, I couldn't care less if he's Labour Lib Dem or Tory, a liar is a lair whatever colour of the political fence you're on.

As for Cllr Rayment knowing he lied, bang goes my vote for her in the Police Commissione, she obviously can't be trusted.
Wow, this seems to more of a debate about Smithies role in the Falklands war, his part in the incident aboard HMS Astute than is does about Williams lying. I do re-call last year Smithy no paying his car tax, which makes driving on the public highway a criminal offence, I said he should resign, not because he was Tory but because he was in public office and broke the law, Williams should resign because he lied and forced others (council employee's) to lie for him, I couldn't care less if he's Labour Lib Dem or Tory, a liar is a lair whatever colour of the political fence you're on. As for Cllr Rayment knowing he lied, bang goes my vote for her in the Police Commissione, she obviously can't be trusted. Over the Edge
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10:01am Sat 20 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.
Are you completely crackers.
.
Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up.
.
How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10. Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it. Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.[/p][/quote]Are you completely crackers. . Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up. . How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts Lone Ranger.
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12:35pm Sat 20 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.
Are you completely crackers.
.
Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up.
.
How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts
Would you please refrain from making these insults or does it make you feel like a big man?
Ed Milliband who has said there will be cuts is to address a meeting against cuts?
Will he lie & agree with them or will he be honest & get jeered at?
Lone Ranger you're a liar & a total tool you have had it explained to you about the funding of the Sea City Museum but when ever you try to defend this lying council you bring up the same lies why?
Yet you continue to call me a hypocrite please explain to me about what am I being hypocritical about?
If a sensible person points out that I'm wrong about a subject I will apologise & admit I'm wrong when oh When have you ever done that?
You are so blinkered & have such a limited IQ you can't see the truth even when it's shoved under you're nose.
Now you have the cheek to attack people who can see the truth about me.
When have you been shafted by a shop steward? when have you been used by a Union convenor to get his mates a promotion at your expense?
Labour/Unions these are all people who look after number1 & **** any one that gets in their way.
Wait until those decent refuse workers end up on the dole oh! sorry they won't be able to claim the dole as they weren't made redundant were they?
I was pro jobs so pro pay cuts yet you can't see that because your nose is to close to your bottom isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10. Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it. Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.[/p][/quote]Are you completely crackers. . Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up. . How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts[/p][/quote]Would you please refrain from making these insults or does it make you feel like a big man? Ed Milliband who has said there will be cuts is to address a meeting against cuts? Will he lie & agree with them or will he be honest & get jeered at? Lone Ranger you're a liar & a total tool you have had it explained to you about the funding of the Sea City Museum but when ever you try to defend this lying council you bring up the same lies why? Yet you continue to call me a hypocrite please explain to me about what am I being hypocritical about? If a sensible person points out that I'm wrong about a subject I will apologise & admit I'm wrong when oh When have you ever done that? You are so blinkered & have such a limited IQ you can't see the truth even when it's shoved under you're nose. Now you have the cheek to attack people who can see the truth about me. When have you been shafted by a shop steward? when have you been used by a Union convenor to get his mates a promotion at your expense? Labour/Unions these are all people who look after number1 & **** any one that gets in their way. Wait until those decent refuse workers end up on the dole oh! sorry they won't be able to claim the dole as they weren't made redundant were they? I was pro jobs so pro pay cuts yet you can't see that because your nose is to close to your bottom isn't it? loosehead
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12:47pm Sat 20 Oct 12

loosehead says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.
Sorry you've taken abuse from blinkered Lone Ranger but thank you for saying what you did
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10. Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it. Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.[/p][/quote]Sorry you've taken abuse from blinkered Lone Ranger but thank you for saying what you did loosehead
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2:48pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.
Are you completely crackers.
.
Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up.
.
How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts
Would you please refrain from making these insults or does it make you feel like a big man?
Ed Milliband who has said there will be cuts is to address a meeting against cuts?
Will he lie & agree with them or will he be honest & get jeered at?
Lone Ranger you're a liar & a total tool you have had it explained to you about the funding of the Sea City Museum but when ever you try to defend this lying council you bring up the same lies why?
Yet you continue to call me a hypocrite please explain to me about what am I being hypocritical about?
If a sensible person points out that I'm wrong about a subject I will apologise & admit I'm wrong when oh When have you ever done that?
You are so blinkered & have such a limited IQ you can't see the truth even when it's shoved under you're nose.
Now you have the cheek to attack people who can see the truth about me.
When have you been shafted by a shop steward? when have you been used by a Union convenor to get his mates a promotion at your expense?
Labour/Unions these are all people who look after number1 & **** any one that gets in their way.
Wait until those decent refuse workers end up on the dole oh! sorry they won't be able to claim the dole as they weren't made redundant were they?
I was pro jobs so pro pay cuts yet you can't see that because your nose is to close to your bottom isn't it?
Please dont attempt to explain awat the taxpayeres millions that went into the Sea Museum.
.
I say again ......... You are a Hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10. Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it. Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.[/p][/quote]Are you completely crackers. . Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up. . How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts[/p][/quote]Would you please refrain from making these insults or does it make you feel like a big man? Ed Milliband who has said there will be cuts is to address a meeting against cuts? Will he lie & agree with them or will he be honest & get jeered at? Lone Ranger you're a liar & a total tool you have had it explained to you about the funding of the Sea City Museum but when ever you try to defend this lying council you bring up the same lies why? Yet you continue to call me a hypocrite please explain to me about what am I being hypocritical about? If a sensible person points out that I'm wrong about a subject I will apologise & admit I'm wrong when oh When have you ever done that? You are so blinkered & have such a limited IQ you can't see the truth even when it's shoved under you're nose. Now you have the cheek to attack people who can see the truth about me. When have you been shafted by a shop steward? when have you been used by a Union convenor to get his mates a promotion at your expense? Labour/Unions these are all people who look after number1 & **** any one that gets in their way. Wait until those decent refuse workers end up on the dole oh! sorry they won't be able to claim the dole as they weren't made redundant were they? I was pro jobs so pro pay cuts yet you can't see that because your nose is to close to your bottom isn't it?[/p][/quote]Please dont attempt to explain awat the taxpayeres millions that went into the Sea Museum. . I say again ......... You are a Hypocrite. Lone Ranger.
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10:33pm Sat 20 Oct 12

IronLady2010 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10.
Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.
Are you completely crackers.
.
Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up.
.
How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts
Would you please refrain from making these insults or does it make you feel like a big man?
Ed Milliband who has said there will be cuts is to address a meeting against cuts?
Will he lie & agree with them or will he be honest & get jeered at?
Lone Ranger you're a liar & a total tool you have had it explained to you about the funding of the Sea City Museum but when ever you try to defend this lying council you bring up the same lies why?
Yet you continue to call me a hypocrite please explain to me about what am I being hypocritical about?
If a sensible person points out that I'm wrong about a subject I will apologise & admit I'm wrong when oh When have you ever done that?
You are so blinkered & have such a limited IQ you can't see the truth even when it's shoved under you're nose.
Now you have the cheek to attack people who can see the truth about me.
When have you been shafted by a shop steward? when have you been used by a Union convenor to get his mates a promotion at your expense?
Labour/Unions these are all people who look after number1 & **** any one that gets in their way.
Wait until those decent refuse workers end up on the dole oh! sorry they won't be able to claim the dole as they weren't made redundant were they?
I was pro jobs so pro pay cuts yet you can't see that because your nose is to close to your bottom isn't it?
Please dont attempt to explain awat the taxpayeres millions that went into the Sea Museum.
.
I say again ......... You are a Hypocrite.
Actually, Loosehead speaks the truth, which some don't like as it hurts. The truth also cost Royston and we end up with Labour, now what are we witnessing? Is it the truth? Apparently not.........
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: School report for Southy, effort 10/10, sense 0/10. Loosehead, Southampton is a better place because you live in it. Labour supports I am sad you cannot face up to reality, if the Tories in Southampton had acted like this I would have said they must all resign.[/p][/quote]Are you completely crackers. . Sucking up to some hypoctical idiot just about sums you up. . How can Southampton be a better place because of him ....... You are just completely raving nuts[/p][/quote]Would you please refrain from making these insults or does it make you feel like a big man? Ed Milliband who has said there will be cuts is to address a meeting against cuts? Will he lie & agree with them or will he be honest & get jeered at? Lone Ranger you're a liar & a total tool you have had it explained to you about the funding of the Sea City Museum but when ever you try to defend this lying council you bring up the same lies why? Yet you continue to call me a hypocrite please explain to me about what am I being hypocritical about? If a sensible person points out that I'm wrong about a subject I will apologise & admit I'm wrong when oh When have you ever done that? You are so blinkered & have such a limited IQ you can't see the truth even when it's shoved under you're nose. Now you have the cheek to attack people who can see the truth about me. When have you been shafted by a shop steward? when have you been used by a Union convenor to get his mates a promotion at your expense? Labour/Unions these are all people who look after number1 & **** any one that gets in their way. Wait until those decent refuse workers end up on the dole oh! sorry they won't be able to claim the dole as they weren't made redundant were they? I was pro jobs so pro pay cuts yet you can't see that because your nose is to close to your bottom isn't it?[/p][/quote]Please dont attempt to explain awat the taxpayeres millions that went into the Sea Museum. . I say again ......... You are a Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]Actually, Loosehead speaks the truth, which some don't like as it hurts. The truth also cost Royston and we end up with Labour, now what are we witnessing? Is it the truth? Apparently not......... IronLady2010
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