Protesters from south to join national protest against cuts (From Daily Echo)

So come on exactly do we clear the deficit?
Do they not remember Dennis Healy & how he tried even the small cuts & ended up with winter of disconnect ?
Do they not remember he had to go to the IMF & the cuts were even more drastic?
Ed Milliband who's own Labour party has said there has to be cuts is talking to a march against Cut"s Exactly what's he going to say? LIE?
The Unions calling for a general strike?
Not much has changed with them then.
Do they honestly believe this will bring job security to their members?
Or is it more likely companies looking to maybe come here or companies already here might go elsewhere?

I have been banging on for years now that the way out of the recession is to build badly needed social housing. That will put many in to work and paying taxes, it will also be more than just financed by the rental income and reduce the housing benefit cost to the country as the rents charged will be lower than C'moron's rich landlord friends. Brown didn't listen and C'moron will never upset his party donors. Milliband however agreed with me recently at his party's congress, so at least here is hope now for a move in the right direction in a couple of years time. If he listens a bit more to me we'll get referendums on the EU and hanging.

AL news homes must be council homes, so the rent can go towards the city finances, if the private sector wants to build cheap homes well that fair enough to, but private sector must find its own land to build on and not get 1/4 price council land to do there building.

there was well over 1 million there today, and yes we do need a General strike to bring down this government, the only sad thing would be is that they will be replace by the Capitalist Labour Party who also will make cuts, I still not forgotten or forgiving Labour for selling off parts of the NHS and RM to the private sector.
The answer to our problems is put back the finance restrictions that the 80's Thatcher Tory Government removed, start making the super rich pay full tax and not this 20% and lower. (those of you say they will leave the country, they will not leave California as proven that where the super rich now pay 60% tax), Rebuild a nationlise industary along side the private industary and lets have that real open free market place for people to choose who they buy off, and the profits going to government to pay off the national debt like it use to before denationlation.
We need to rebuild this country back before the asset stripping of the 80's.
Then we need to move on and start looking at this Socialist resource base economy, a resource economy is the way of the future, and its only under Socialism this can happen, but we need to work out how it can be implented, its not some thing that we be able to rush into.

southy wrote:
there was well over 1 million there today, and yes we do need a General strike to bring down this government, the only sad thing would be is that they will be replace by the Capitalist Labour Party who also will make cuts, I still not forgotten or forgiving Labour for selling off parts of the NHS and RM to the private sector.
The answer to our problems is put back the finance restrictions that the 80's Thatcher Tory Government removed, start making the super rich pay full tax and not this 20% and lower. (those of you say they will leave the country, they will not leave California as proven that where the super rich now pay 60% tax), Rebuild a nationlise industary along side the private industary and lets have that real open free market place for people to choose who they buy off, and the profits going to government to pay off the national debt like it use to before denationlation.
We need to rebuild this country back before the asset stripping of the 80's.
Then we need to move on and start looking at this Socialist resource base economy, a resource economy is the way of the future, and its only under Socialism this can happen, but we need to work out how it can be implented, its not some thing that we be able to rush into.

It all sounds so easy but there's something stopping people from voting for your brand of Socialism. Perhaps in a few hundred years when the spectre of the communist Eastern Bloc and the terror associated with it has died away a bit?

southy says...
11:18pm Sat 20 Oct 12
there was well over 1 million there today...........Orga
niser Trades Union Congress (TUC), which said workers and campaigners from across the UK were involved with the demonstration, estimated that more than 150,000 people took part.

Someone can't count can they?

southy wrote:
AL news homes must be council homes, so the rent can go towards the city finances, if the private sector wants to build cheap homes well that fair enough to, but private sector must find its own land to build on and not get 1/4 price council land to do there building.

The rental income from council homes was actually ring fenced by Maggie Thatcher when Tories still had some decent values. The rental income from council housing therefore cannot be transferred to the General Fund( council tax income). Unfortunately this does not completely apply to capital assets which is why the last Tory administration sold off about 50 vacanted council homes to help pay for useless propaganda items such as the Sea City Mauseleum.

southy wrote:
there was well over 1 million there today, and yes we do need a General strike to bring down this government, the only sad thing would be is that they will be replace by the Capitalist Labour Party who also will make cuts, I still not forgotten or forgiving Labour for selling off parts of the NHS and RM to the private sector.
The answer to our problems is put back the finance restrictions that the 80's Thatcher Tory Government removed, start making the super rich pay full tax and not this 20% and lower. (those of you say they will leave the country, they will not leave California as proven that where the super rich now pay 60% tax), Rebuild a nationlise industary along side the private industary and lets have that real open free market place for people to choose who they buy off, and the profits going to government to pay off the national debt like it use to before denationlation.
We need to rebuild this country back before the asset stripping of the 80's.
Then we need to move on and start looking at this Socialist resource base economy, a resource economy is the way of the future, and its only under Socialism this can happen, but we need to work out how it can be implented, its not some thing that we be able to rush into.

I was there and estimated about 150,000. A general strike is the last thing our economy needs.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:
there was well over 1 million there today, and yes we do need a General strike to bring down this government, the only sad thing would be is that they will be replace by the Capitalist Labour Party who also will make cuts, I still not forgotten or forgiving Labour for selling off parts of the NHS and RM to the private sector.
The answer to our problems is put back the finance restrictions that the 80's Thatcher Tory Government removed, start making the super rich pay full tax and not this 20% and lower. (those of you say they will leave the country, they will not leave California as proven that where the super rich now pay 60% tax), Rebuild a nationlise industary along side the private industary and lets have that real open free market place for people to choose who they buy off, and the profits going to government to pay off the national debt like it use to before denationlation.
We need to rebuild this country back before the asset stripping of the 80's.
Then we need to move on and start looking at this Socialist resource base economy, a resource economy is the way of the future, and its only under Socialism this can happen, but we need to work out how it can be implented, its not some thing that we be able to rush into.

It all sounds so easy but there's something stopping people from voting for your brand of Socialism. Perhaps in a few hundred years when the spectre of the communist Eastern Bloc and the terror associated with it has died away a bit?

Its coming what you call Communism is not socialism, it was capitalist incontroll Communism and became known as Capitalist Communism.
Some thing is happening in the USA thats not been seen since before WWII, and that is people starting to be able to tell the difference once more, and there are socialist groups springing up every where, even in Washington DC.
people also beginning to relise that the real terror is Capitalism and there hate and invade program.

Torchie1 wrote:
southy says...
11:18pm Sat 20 Oct 12
there was well over 1 million there today...........Orga

niser Trades Union Congress (TUC), which said workers and campaigners from across the UK were involved with the demonstration, estimated that more than 150,000 people took part.

Someone can't count can they?

well its case you can't read the TUC never organised it that came down the a lower level, the TUC only agreed that the Unions could have one and was push into it by the grass roots of the Unions.

Inform Al wrote:

southy wrote:
there was well over 1 million there today, and yes we do need a General strike to bring down this government, the only sad thing would be is that they will be replace by the Capitalist Labour Party who also will make cuts, I still not forgotten or forgiving Labour for selling off parts of the NHS and RM to the private sector.
The answer to our problems is put back the finance restrictions that the 80's Thatcher Tory Government removed, start making the super rich pay full tax and not this 20% and lower. (those of you say they will leave the country, they will not leave California as proven that where the super rich now pay 60% tax), Rebuild a nationlise industary along side the private industary and lets have that real open free market place for people to choose who they buy off, and the profits going to government to pay off the national debt like it use to before denationlation.
We need to rebuild this country back before the asset stripping of the 80's.
Then we need to move on and start looking at this Socialist resource base economy, a resource economy is the way of the future, and its only under Socialism this can happen, but we need to work out how it can be implented, its not some thing that we be able to rush into.

I was there and estimated about 150,000. A general strike is the last thing our economy needs.

Why is a general strike the last thing we need, it will not hurt the economy because first of all you got to have one first to be able to hurt it.
the the front of the demo arrived at the park about 11-30 maybe just before, and they was still arriving in the park when it was dark.
if there was only around 150,000 every one would off been in the park by 2pm and the park emptying at 4pm but they was still arriving in the park well after 6pm in high numbers.

A person has a great idea! re-mortgages his home works every hour his body will allow finds buyers for his idea(invention).
buys machinery as well as buying/leasing a building to put machinery in.
employs a few in the beginning but still works long hours to build the business.
ends up employing say a thousand workers.
Has to contribute to NI stamp & now pensions but is okay as now his profits have hit over £1million & he can ease off his work employ managers & researchers/inventor
s to come up with new products so he buys a million pound house for him/her & his/her family.
But along comes the HIT the rich brigade & wallop him/her with 50% tax plus the amount he pays in NI & pensions this comes to over 60% of his profits?
along comes Poland/China & offers him new buildings lower wages & lower taxes?
Then along comes idiotic Liberals who want to hit him/her for the property they own?
then all the good work they've done bringing employment to a thousand people goes tax revenue goes NI stamp contributions go & why?
because the Unions can't see that the short sharp treatment is better & once over we can all gain from a better economy & get the hell out of the EU.
Greece,Ireland both tried to build their way out of it look how that worked out?

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:
southy says...
11:18pm Sat 20 Oct 12
there was well over 1 million there today...........Orga


niser Trades Union Congress (TUC), which said workers and campaigners from across the UK were involved with the demonstration, estimated that more than 150,000 people took part.

Someone can't count can they?

well its case you can't read the TUC never organised it that came down the a lower level, the TUC only agreed that the Unions could have one and was push into it by the grass roots of the Unions.

I should have realised that you have a greater awareness of these things than the TUC. Tusc must remember day that you decided to join their ranks and wonder when the nightmare will end.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:
southy says...
11:18pm Sat 20 Oct 12
there was well over 1 million there today...........Orga



niser Trades Union Congress (TUC), which said workers and campaigners from across the UK were involved with the demonstration, estimated that more than 150,000 people took part.

Someone can't count can they?

well its case you can't read the TUC never organised it that came down the a lower level, the TUC only agreed that the Unions could have one and was push into it by the grass roots of the Unions.

I should have realised that you have a greater awareness of these things than the TUC. Tusc must remember day that you decided to join their ranks and wonder when the nightmare will end.

I was there right at the start Torchie and unlike you I am in the in-side where as you are on the out side and do not know what is going on.
But heres the basics for you, 2 years ago the NSSN push forward the idea of a demo rally was put forward at the TUC meeting and the TUC board said no, so the NSSN push harder after the confrence was over and the TUC board gave way, then the NSSN set the date for March 25th and planed the route, but the TUC took over the speach platform and controlled who could give speaches and those on the Left was push out from doing so, and endded up on speakers corner, This year at the TUC meeting the NSSN push again for another demo and rally and a call for a General Strike, they gave the go-ahead for the demo rally but not the strike, but it looks like they are going to lose that one to.
Now if your wondering who the NSSN are they are the rank and file of Unions of both the private and public sectors and they will relay what the majority of the Union memebers want

Ok first figures are coming in, yes it do look like now there was less this year than last year, but that figure off 150,000 thats being quoted (apart its a play down figure like it all ways is) came from Sky News before the Demo started.
1 coach company cancelled there London route, the SP, TUSC, SWP printed over 200,000 leafletts between them all but a handfull was handed out, marchers and people standing about watching wanted to read what the TUSC had to say, stalls and distributors was getting ask what info they had on the TUSC.

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:
southy says...
11:18pm Sat 20 Oct 12
there was well over 1 million there today...........Orga




niser Trades Union Congress (TUC), which said workers and campaigners from across the UK were involved with the demonstration, estimated that more than 150,000 people took part.

Someone can't count can they?

well its case you can't read the TUC never organised it that came down the a lower level, the TUC only agreed that the Unions could have one and was push into it by the grass roots of the Unions.

I should have realised that you have a greater awareness of these things than the TUC. Tusc must remember day that you decided to join their ranks and wonder when the nightmare will end.

I was there right at the start Torchie and unlike you I am in the in-side where as you are on the out side and do not know what is going on.
But heres the basics for you, 2 years ago the NSSN push forward the idea of a demo rally was put forward at the TUC meeting and the TUC board said no, so the NSSN push harder after the confrence was over and the TUC board gave way, then the NSSN set the date for March 25th and planed the route, but the TUC took over the speach platform and controlled who could give speaches and those on the Left was push out from doing so, and endded up on speakers corner, This year at the TUC meeting the NSSN push again for another demo and rally and a call for a General Strike, they gave the go-ahead for the demo rally but not the strike, but it looks like they are going to lose that one to.
Now if your wondering who the NSSN are they are the rank and file of Unions of both the private and public sectors and they will relay what the majority of the Union memebers want

Does it make any difference whether someone is inside or outside when no-one will vote for you ? You just can't accept that you will remain as a fringe group along with the Greens, the National Front and the Monster Raving Loony Party who are trying to convince the population that they too are a credible alternative. The main things is that it gives you a reason to live and to get up in the morning while giving everyone else a reason to giggle. Keep up the good work.

Southy
Some rumour arouind that you were resposible for writing out the TUSC manifesto and nobody could uinderstand it.
Any truth in this?
Also you bang on about Maggie Thatcher (and I am no particular fan of hers) and you moan about the lack of Council Houses, yet you took advantage of her 'capitalist' doctrine when you bought your Council House at a discounted rate

southy wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

southy wrote:
there was well over 1 million there today, and yes we do need a General strike to bring down this government, the only sad thing would be is that they will be replace by the Capitalist Labour Party who also will make cuts, I still not forgotten or forgiving Labour for selling off parts of the NHS and RM to the private sector.
The answer to our problems is put back the finance restrictions that the 80's Thatcher Tory Government removed, start making the super rich pay full tax and not this 20% and lower. (those of you say they will leave the country, they will not leave California as proven that where the super rich now pay 60% tax), Rebuild a nationlise industary along side the private industary and lets have that real open free market place for people to choose who they buy off, and the profits going to government to pay off the national debt like it use to before denationlation.
We need to rebuild this country back before the asset stripping of the 80's.
Then we need to move on and start looking at this Socialist resource base economy, a resource economy is the way of the future, and its only under Socialism this can happen, but we need to work out how it can be implented, its not some thing that we be able to rush into.

I was there and estimated about 150,000. A general strike is the last thing our economy needs.

Why is a general strike the last thing we need, it will not hurt the economy because first of all you got to have one first to be able to hurt it.
the the front of the demo arrived at the park about 11-30 maybe just before, and they was still arriving in the park when it was dark.
if there was only around 150,000 every one would off been in the park by 2pm and the park emptying at 4pm but they was still arriving in the park well after 6pm in high numbers.

The march started at 12 noon spot on, and I was near the front. Unless you have invented a time warp system we could not have arrived at Hyde Park by 11.30. And we do have an economy, bad as it is, and a general strike will hurt a lot of ordinary plebs more than it will C'morons rich friends who hjave savings to sit it out..As far as TUSC is concerned. we can thank those idiots for taking enough votes from Labour in the last election to enable at least two Tories to win. Time for them to start engaging brain before mouth, unless of course TUSC is a secret Tory ploy to take out Labour votes.

Well the SWP booed Ed Milliband for dare saying no matter who had gotten in there would have to have been cuts but Labours would have been over a longer period of time & had to remain for a much longer period.
Did the TUSC take Labour votes?
So why did UKIP seemingly only target Tory areas? Did they try & actually take Labour or Liberal seats?
the Tory party is more Euro Sceptic than those two parties so why stop them winning seats & handing those seats to either a Suck up to the EU Liberal party or a party that finds work for corrupt MP's in the EU(Mandelson)