Barton Farm plans on show

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CONTROVERSIAL plans for the building of thousands of new homes in the Hampshire countryside were displayed at a public consultation yesterday.

Up to 2000 new homes could now be built at Barton Farm after Winchester council chiefs paved the way for development on the greenfield site.

Less than 24 hours after council’s decision developers Cala Homes invited local residents to St Barnabus Church in Weeke to view draft proposals for the site north of the city.

Dozens of people attended the consultation to inspect large colourful posters detailing proposed schools, retail centres, recreational facilities and housing options.

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10:19am Fri 24 Apr 09

stuartjebbitt says...

"Only when the last tree has withered, the last fish has been caught, and the last river has been poisoned, will you realize you cannot eat money"
There is a finite amount of countryside, once it's gone, it's GONE.
There are streets and streets of empty houses up north, the government should be regenerating up there, not cramming everyone into the south!
The phrase 'public consultation' is meaningless, as all those fighting fluoridation, and also those fighting the changes being forced onto the New Forest will be able to tell you...
Consultation = Done deal.
"Only when the last tree has withered, the last fish has been caught, and the last river has been poisoned, will you realize you cannot eat money" There is a finite amount of countryside, once it's gone, it's GONE. There are streets and streets of empty houses up north, the government should be regenerating up there, not cramming everyone into the south! The phrase 'public consultation' is meaningless, as all those fighting fluoridation, and also those fighting the changes being forced onto the New Forest will be able to tell you... Consultation = Done deal. stuartjebbitt
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12:19pm Fri 24 Apr 09

romsey saint says...

I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!!
I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!! romsey saint
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12:28pm Fri 24 Apr 09

Ostler says...

I welcome the building of affordable homes for local young people - but will there be enough of that type here?
Of course this is only the first 2000 homes, so where will the other 10000 be built?
I welcome the building of affordable homes for local young people - but will there be enough of that type here? Of course this is only the first 2000 homes, so where will the other 10000 be built? Ostler
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12:33pm Fri 24 Apr 09

soton1980 says...

romsey saint wrote:
I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!!
Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments.

Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand.

[quote][p][bold]romsey saint[/bold] wrote: I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!![/p][/quote]Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments. Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand. soton1980
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1:56pm Fri 24 Apr 09

Miles Way says...

soton1980 wrote:
romsey saint wrote:
I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!!
Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments.

Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand.

How exactly will building here stop Winchester being beautiful?
I agree that brownfield sites should be used but the mere fact that a city/town is beautiful needn't stop development on it's outskirts and push it elsewhere.
Incidentally I once met someone who thought Basingstoke was beautiful lol
[quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]romsey saint[/bold] wrote: I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!![/p][/quote]Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments. Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand. [/p][/quote]How exactly will building here stop Winchester being beautiful? I agree that brownfield sites should be used but the mere fact that a city/town is beautiful needn't stop development on it's outskirts and push it elsewhere. Incidentally I once met someone who thought Basingstoke was beautiful lol Miles Way
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2:06pm Fri 24 Apr 09

Philip Ross says...

The picture only seems to show part of the site because at the first public enquiry the plan covered both sides of the railway line. Follow the green arrow shown pointing east on the picture and the actual site goes further across and beyond the frame on the right of the picture.
The picture only seems to show part of the site because at the first public enquiry the plan covered both sides of the railway line. Follow the green arrow shown pointing east on the picture and the actual site goes further across and beyond the frame on the right of the picture. Philip Ross
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3:39pm Fri 24 Apr 09

romsey saint says...

soton1980 wrote:
romsey saint wrote: I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!!
Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments. Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand.
I totally agree that Winchester is a beautiful city having been born and raised there but people still need to live in houses! If in years gone by housing was stopped there would be no Teg Down, Harestock, Weeke, Highcliff, Winnall, Abbots Barton, Badger Farm etc etc etc so where would we all be living now. Like it or not the population is growing all the time and we all have a write to live where we were born.
[quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]romsey saint[/bold] wrote: I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!![/p][/quote]Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments. Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand. [/p][/quote]I totally agree that Winchester is a beautiful city having been born and raised there but people still need to live in houses! If in years gone by housing was stopped there would be no Teg Down, Harestock, Weeke, Highcliff, Winnall, Abbots Barton, Badger Farm etc etc etc so where would we all be living now. Like it or not the population is growing all the time and we all have a write to live where we were born. romsey saint
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4:49pm Fri 24 Apr 09

mjh says...

romsey saint wrote:
soton1980 wrote:
romsey saint wrote: I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!!
Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments. Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand.
I totally agree that Winchester is a beautiful city having been born and raised there but people still need to live in houses! If in years gone by housing was stopped there would be no Teg Down, Harestock, Weeke, Highcliff, Winnall, Abbots Barton, Badger Farm etc etc etc so where would we all be living now. Like it or not the population is growing all the time and we all have a write to live where we were born.
Yes but we cannot continue building on good quality farmland in an area where the transport infrastructure is inadequate and where most of the occupants will commute to work elsewhere. 300 homes are already planned for the city centre in the Silver Hill development; why rush to concrete over these green fields as well to satisfy some government prediction of housing demand which may well be untrue
[quote][p][bold]romsey saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]romsey saint[/bold] wrote: I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!![/p][/quote]Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments. Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand. [/p][/quote]I totally agree that Winchester is a beautiful city having been born and raised there but people still need to live in houses! If in years gone by housing was stopped there would be no Teg Down, Harestock, Weeke, Highcliff, Winnall, Abbots Barton, Badger Farm etc etc etc so where would we all be living now. Like it or not the population is growing all the time and we all have a write to live where we were born.[/p][/quote]Yes but we cannot continue building on good quality farmland in an area where the transport infrastructure is inadequate and where most of the occupants will commute to work elsewhere. 300 homes are already planned for the city centre in the Silver Hill development; why rush to concrete over these green fields as well to satisfy some government prediction of housing demand which may well be untrue mjh
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5:08pm Fri 24 Apr 09

stuartjebbitt says...

romsey saint wrote:
I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!!
err.YES..I would if that was where I could afford a house! (and have seriously considered it)
If you think these properties will be going to local people - well I doubt it - they'll be well out of their price range.
I had to move away from where I was born and bred because I was PRICED out and YES I DID have to find a new job and new friends.
I expect there's plenty of brown field sites available if they looked hard enough - but there wouldn't be such big fat profits available.

[quote][p][bold]romsey saint[/bold] wrote: I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!![/p][/quote]err.YES..I would if that was where I could afford a house! (and have seriously considered it) If you think these properties will be going to local people - well I doubt it - they'll be well out of their price range. I had to move away from where I was born and bred because I was PRICED out and YES I DID have to find a new job and new friends. I expect there's plenty of brown field sites available if they looked hard enough - but there wouldn't be such big fat profits available. stuartjebbitt
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7:08pm Fri 24 Apr 09

Irate Wintonian says...

romsey saint wrote:
soton1980 wrote:
romsey saint wrote: I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!!
Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments. Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand.
I totally agree that Winchester is a beautiful city having been born and raised there but people still need to live in houses! If in years gone by housing was stopped there would be no Teg Down, Harestock, Weeke, Highcliff, Winnall, Abbots Barton, Badger Farm etc etc etc so where would we all be living now. Like it or not the population is growing all the time and we all have a write to live where we were born.
Quite right.

But on second thoughts, maybe it would have been better not to build Highcliff and Winnall...

[quote][p][bold]romsey saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]romsey saint[/bold] wrote: I take then Mr Jebbitt you will be booking a ticket up north and move there yourself? I doubt it your probably sat in your nice little house preaching to everyone else about what they should do. The people you refer to as wanting to be jammed in believe it or not are probably born and bred in winchester and just want somewhere to live. If you have children and family yourself I suppose that if they want houses you advise them to move up north to look for a new job and friends, I think not. If people like you had your way we would still be living on top of St Catheines hill in a mud hut!![/p][/quote]Winchester is a (on the whole) beautiful city, which should not be blighted by new developments. Instead developers should be focusing on building on brownfield sites in Southampton and Basingstoke to facilitate the demand. [/p][/quote]I totally agree that Winchester is a beautiful city having been born and raised there but people still need to live in houses! If in years gone by housing was stopped there would be no Teg Down, Harestock, Weeke, Highcliff, Winnall, Abbots Barton, Badger Farm etc etc etc so where would we all be living now. Like it or not the population is growing all the time and we all have a write to live where we were born.[/p][/quote]Quite right. But on second thoughts, maybe it would have been better not to build Highcliff and Winnall... Irate Wintonian
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5:35am Fri 8 May 09

homes4people says...

The definition of greenfield is somewhat misleading when applied to farmland. The land is ploughed up every year completely changing the natural resources - particularly wildlife habitats. I would rather see development on agricultural fields than on derelict brownfield sites where nature has moved in. There is remnant wildlife habitat at Barton Farm - hedgerows, ditches etc but the majority of the site as far as I can see lacks any real habitat which is worth protecting.

Its a wedge of farmland which would be ideally suited to a carefully planned development which aims to enhance biodiversity and wildlife habitats - though the planning system may not provide the mechanism for ecologically friendly design in the development.

Green and brown roofs, waste water recycling, Sustainable drainage systems or SUDS, alternative energy - solar, wind etc, energy efficiency should be at the core of the design.

People who complain about this development live in houses which were built on similar land around the rest of Winchester.

The use of Barton Farm as a dog emptying service is hardly a reason to refuse a sensitively designed development on the site.

J
The definition of greenfield is somewhat misleading when applied to farmland. The land is ploughed up every year completely changing the natural resources - particularly wildlife habitats. I would rather see development on agricultural fields than on derelict brownfield sites where nature has moved in. There is remnant wildlife habitat at Barton Farm - hedgerows, ditches etc but the majority of the site as far as I can see lacks any real habitat which is worth protecting. Its a wedge of farmland which would be ideally suited to a carefully planned development which aims to enhance biodiversity and wildlife habitats - though the planning system may not provide the mechanism for ecologically friendly design in the development. Green and brown roofs, waste water recycling, Sustainable drainage systems or SUDS, alternative energy - solar, wind etc, energy efficiency should be at the core of the design. People who complain about this development live in houses which were built on similar land around the rest of Winchester. The use of Barton Farm as a dog emptying service is hardly a reason to refuse a sensitively designed development on the site. J homes4people
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