Brussels warns Liverpool over cruise terminal cash (From Daily Echo)

Wahooooo! Great news. Its about time we played on level ground. At last, some sense out of Brussels.

'Sneaky scum'....but remember this..we 'never' give up.
When we do get up and running by private-public-repai
d monies or whatever...we shall remember you !!
NUNQUAM OBLIVISCA.

Your paper cant even print the blogs out properly...lol

NUNQUAM OBLIVISCA? I have forgotten what that means. Sic friatur crustum dulce?

The main point is that cruises will be returning to one of the most attractive cities to visit in the UK one way or another.

It's a shame that the EU can't see that the money would be returned 'plenty-fold' through tax back into UK PLC.

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Sorry but all Liverpool wants is to get back to the glory years of cruise ships leaving & starting from there right?
They say they have a more attractive package than other ports right?
So why did they apply for the grants for the wrong usage in the first place?
Come to that why did they need the grants in the first place?
With such a good business plan why couldn't they get any one to invest in the port instead of not telling the real reason & applying for grants?
With such a great business plan why not get private enterprise to pay back all grants & invest in the port?
Why then no one would be complaining & let the competition begin or isn't the business plan that good & the port of Liverpool could lose a bundle attracting cruise ships?

georgetheseventh wrote:
'Sneaky scum'....but remember this..we 'never' give up. When we do get up and running by private-public-repai d monies or whatever...we shall remember you !! NUNQUAM OBLIVISCA.

SOURUS GRAPAS! Calling anyone scum shows the mentality...

AlwynM wrote:
The main point is that cruises will be returning to one of the most attractive cities to visit in the UK one way or another. It's a shame that the EU can't see that the money would be returned 'plenty-fold' through tax back into UK PLC. http://www.cntravell er.com/magazine/read ers-travel-awards-20 10/destinations-uk-c ities

One of the most attractive cities? Is that the same place where they put bars on the Travelodge windows, to keep the criminals out? Nice to know that you all still have your famous sense of humour up there! Bring on Ken Dodd and the diddymen next please....

spes relinquo totus ye quisnam penetro hic
This could greet people arriving in Liverpool

spes relinquo totus ye quisnam penetro hic
This could greet people arriving in Liverpool

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
NUNQUAM OBLIVISCA? I have forgotten what that means. Sic friatur crustum dulce?

I believe it may be a reference to the motto of Clan MacIver (miss-spelt).
He would have been just as well off using the motto of Clan Graham - Ne oublie.
The difference being in the tense of the verb.

Give the Cruise Ships to Liverpool, they are going downhill and Southampton can't even handle the traffic.

10 years time these cruise liners will be dirty rusty scrap. Much as they are now.

This is all incredibly ironic.
As Europe is drawing up plans to bail out its banks, 'Private Industry?', with hundreds of billions of Euro's when Italy goes belly up, they are,if this report is correct, about to ask Liverpool for 9m in grants, aimed at creating employment in one of the few industries that is actually growing at this time.
And to add the cherry to the top of the cake, this has been instigated by an Argentine born Spaniard who represents a party, that wishes to remove the UK from the EU!.
You could not make this up, no matter how hard you tried!.

arizonan wrote:
This is all incredibly ironic.
As Europe is drawing up plans to bail out its banks, 'Private Industry?', with hundreds of billions of Euro's when Italy goes belly up, they are,if this report is correct, about to ask Liverpool for 9m in grants, aimed at creating employment in one of the few industries that is actually growing at this time.
And to add the cherry to the top of the cake, this has been instigated by an Argentine born Spaniard who represents a party, that wishes to remove the UK from the EU!.
You could not make this up, no matter how hard you tried!.

It's as much a fairytale as Liverpool not lying about the use of the facility.

IronLady2010 wrote:
Give the Cruise Ships to Liverpool, they are going downhill and Southampton can't even handle the traffic.

10 years time these cruise liners will be dirty rusty scrap. Much as they are now.

Are you speaking from experience or is it just another libelous statement coming from ignorance? The Cruise industry is one of the few thriving things around and they have been investing in new ships just to keep up with the competition, I am sure there are enough to go around for Liverpool to take a few, and if they prove to do a better job than Southampton others will move there, that is what capitalist competition is all about isn't it?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Give the Cruise Ships to Liverpool, they are going downhill and Southampton can't even handle the traffic.

10 years time these cruise liners will be dirty rusty scrap. Much as they are now.

Are you speaking from experience or is it just another libelous statement coming from ignorance? The Cruise industry is one of the few thriving things around and they have been investing in new ships just to keep up with the competition, I am sure there are enough to go around for Liverpool to take a few, and if they prove to do a better job than Southampton others will move there, that is what capitalist competition is all about isn't it?

Totally agree with you

loosehead wrote:

arizonan wrote:
This is all incredibly ironic.
As Europe is drawing up plans to bail out its banks, 'Private Industry?', with hundreds of billions of Euro's when Italy goes belly up, they are,if this report is correct, about to ask Liverpool for 9m in grants, aimed at creating employment in one of the few industries that is actually growing at this time.
And to add the cherry to the top of the cake, this has been instigated by an Argentine born Spaniard who represents a party, that wishes to remove the UK from the EU!.
You could not make this up, no matter how hard you tried!.

It's as much a fairytale as Liverpool not lying about the use of the facility.

What are you talking about? The Liverpool Cruise Terminal has operated under Government restrictions since its opening.An absolute restriction of trade. Not one passenger has departed and returned to it.
An MEP has said that Liverpool should go ahead and use the Terminal as a turnaround facility and see everyone in court.
Liverpool has not done this.

arizonan wrote:

loosehead wrote:

arizonan wrote:
This is all incredibly ironic.
As Europe is drawing up plans to bail out its banks, 'Private Industry?', with hundreds of billions of Euro's when Italy goes belly up, they are,if this report is correct, about to ask Liverpool for 9m in grants, aimed at creating employment in one of the few industries that is actually growing at this time.
And to add the cherry to the top of the cake, this has been instigated by an Argentine born Spaniard who represents a party, that wishes to remove the UK from the EU!.
You could not make this up, no matter how hard you tried!.

It's as much a fairytale as Liverpool not lying about the use of the facility.

What are you talking about? The Liverpool Cruise Terminal has operated under Government restrictions since its opening.An absolute restriction of trade. Not one passenger has departed and returned to it.
An MEP has said that Liverpool should go ahead and use the Terminal as a turnaround facility and see everyone in court.
Liverpool has not done this.

Arizonan isn't it about time you read what your own council has printed or listened to the head of that council on telly?
It was quite clearly stated that when Liverpool applied for the grants for turnaround they had no intention of using the facility for that purpose they wanted start & finish facilities so the application submitted was a LIE so please get your facts right before you come on here moaning/slagging down Southampton

loosehead wrote:

arizonan wrote:

loosehead wrote:

arizonan wrote:
This is all incredibly ironic.
As Europe is drawing up plans to bail out its banks, 'Private Industry?', with hundreds of billions of Euro's when Italy goes belly up, they are,if this report is correct, about to ask Liverpool for 9m in grants, aimed at creating employment in one of the few industries that is actually growing at this time.
And to add the cherry to the top of the cake, this has been instigated by an Argentine born Spaniard who represents a party, that wishes to remove the UK from the EU!.
You could not make this up, no matter how hard you tried!.

It's as much a fairytale as Liverpool not lying about the use of the facility.

What are you talking about? The Liverpool Cruise Terminal has operated under Government restrictions since its opening.An absolute restriction of trade. Not one passenger has departed and returned to it.
An MEP has said that Liverpool should go ahead and use the Terminal as a turnaround facility and see everyone in court.
Liverpool has not done this.

Arizonan isn't it about time you read what your own council has printed or listened to the head of that council on telly?
It was quite clearly stated that when Liverpool applied for the grants for turnaround they had no intention of using the facility for that purpose they wanted start & finish facilities so the application submitted was a LIE so please get your facts right before you come on here moaning/slagging down Southampton

Perhaps you should read your inputs before you press submit, I have no idea what your last entry is saying.

All UK local councils have to make significant savings this year,. Liverpool have announced £50-£90m cuts which include taking away free school milk, uniform grants, school crossing patrols, slashing care for over 2,000 people with significant needs, slashing all funding for the arts and cultural events including the Matthew St Festival which, reportedly, brings in millions of pounds per year to the Liverpool economy!!
And yet the Council reckon they have ringfenced around £25m to pay back part of the UK grant funding and finance the required upgrade to the Riverside terminal should they receive permission to handle turnrounds.
The leader of Liverpool Council has reportedly said that any turnround business attracted to the subsidised Liverpool cruise terminal will not impact on other UK ports and will only handle a similar amount of calls to those previously handled through the Gladstone terminal (ie 16-20 calls per annum, claimed to be equivalent of 1% of the UK total)
If I was a Liverpool citizen affected by these budget cuts, I would want chapter and verse on the business case for spending £25m on extended cruise facilities. It doesnt add up
Of course people like Arizonian can continue to make a case for his pet project from afar knowing any budget cuts in Liverpool have no direct affect on him

phil maccavity wrote:
All UK local councils have to make significant savings this year,. Liverpool have announced £50-£90m cuts which include taking away free school milk, uniform grants, school crossing patrols, slashing care for over 2,000 people with significant needs, slashing all funding for the arts and cultural events including the Matthew St Festival which, reportedly, brings in millions of pounds per year to the Liverpool economy!!
And yet the Council reckon they have ringfenced around £25m to pay back part of the UK grant funding and finance the required upgrade to the Riverside terminal should they receive permission to handle turnrounds.
The leader of Liverpool Council has reportedly said that any turnround business attracted to the subsidised Liverpool cruise terminal will not impact on other UK ports and will only handle a similar amount of calls to those previously handled through the Gladstone terminal (ie 16-20 calls per annum, claimed to be equivalent of 1% of the UK total)
If I was a Liverpool citizen affected by these budget cuts, I would want chapter and verse on the business case for spending £25m on extended cruise facilities. It doesnt add up
Of course people like Arizonian can continue to make a case for his pet project from afar knowing any budget cuts in Liverpool have no direct affect on him

Have you checked on the MP for Runcorn?.
Can you read a constituency map?
Perhaps all your other facts and figures that you publish have a similar level of accuracy as your assertion that George Osborne is MP for that fair town.
Talk sense. Who will get the blame for the cuts, the Government, or Liverpool C.C.?.

You can't even spell my name correctly.

Just come bk from Liverpool, Wow now thats what i call a city,Liverpool looks like a confident city i can understand why Southampton is worried, it looks amazing and can see why it's been voted the best city in UK for tourism and nightlife, the choice of things to do is endless , top hotels, resturants ,museums ,amazing shops ,etc, the list is endless and it is easy to see why the cruise ships are going back ,and the people are really friendly to.
The waterfront is breathtaking mix of modern and new biulding that bring the city into the 21st century, unlike Southampton which again is just a terminal not a tourist destination.
If they want a cruise terminal let them have it ,they truly deserve it and there is enough business for all.

You've got to admire Southampton and the way they have jumped to defend their port business.

In fact the level of ferocity of anti-Liverpool sentiment that has been stoked up betrays the fact that Southampton is genuinely worried.

And so it should be. When you look at what Liverpool has to offer compared to Southampton, there is no comparison.

Liverpool is the Capital of Pop. Our artists have produced more number one hits than those from any other town or city. The Beatles are our most famous export.

Southampton's most famous musical export is probably Craig David - unless you count Benny Hill. He hit the top spot in 1971 with Ernie (Fastest Milkman in the West).

Liverpool is the most filmed British city outside London with credits including: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Sherlock Holmes, 51st State, The Hunt for Red October, Nowhere Boy, In the Name of the Father, Letter to Brezhnev, Backbeat and Priest.

The One Show once filmed a feature in Southampton called 'Why ice is slippy'. The city was the location for an HSBC training video.

Liverpool FC are the most successful club in British history, with 18 league championships, five European cups, three UEFA cups, seven FA cups and seven league cups. Everton have competed in the top flight a record 107 seasons and won the league nine times, the FA Cup five times and a European trophy (Cup Winners Cup).

Southampton FC have won the FA Cup. Once.

Liverpool was the European Capital of Culture in 2008 and has been a UNESCO World Heritage City since 2004. The city has 2,500 listed buildings and 250 public monuments - including the largest collection of Grade II listed buildings outside London. Liverpool Cathedral is the largest in the country.

Southampton has the world's oldest bowls green.

I suppose what's galling about this is the way stereotypical anti-Liverpool comments start getting bandied about