Liverpool ordered to pay back more public cash in cruise row (From Daily Echo)

A good decision and I think Royston Smith should be given a lot of the credit for sticking up for southampton and the docks. I expect he will on get slagged of on here though

One good result does not make you a champion. The bloke is a berk and roll on May. How many more payouts for retirement packages over 100KPLUS PENSIONS WILL HE AUTHORISE!!!!. Dont be fooled by the idiot.

And how many have he now stopped. I am not a fan either but credit were its due

Should not be a debate, pay it all back or not become a turnaround port.

Liverpool had cruises and mail ships operating from the port right back to the start of Cunard !

Southampton has so far been lucky that they have had so many ships visiting the port which bring business to the city but it is not an entitlement !

Owners will put the sailings of their cruise ships where they feel they are needed which may not be Southampton !

It is time some of you stopped thinking it is your right to have the cruise ships at Southampton !
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Edwick wrote:
Liverpool had cruises and mail ships operating from the port right back to the start of Cunard !

Southampton has so far been lucky that they have had so many ships visiting the port which bring business to the city but it is not an entitlement !

Owners will put the sailings of their cruise ships where they feel they are needed which may not be Southampton !

It is time some of you stopped thinking it is your right to have the cruise ships at Southampton !
.

Please explain to me where you were when the cruise industry was in decline?
the QE2 was one of the few cruise ships coming to Southampton & there was no mention of Liverpool wanting turnaround facilities?
Now there's been a revival in cruise ship trade we here Liverpool going on about history & how we stole the cruise industry from them so if they were so upset why weren't they fighting for it in the 70's-80's?
ABP & Southampton city council have said pay back all the grants & we'll have no objections to Liverpools plans
Still anti Southampton rhetoric comes on these posts why?

Cunard did not do any cruising from Liverpool in the 60s 70s.All the cruising took place at Southampton :- QE,QM the Caronia, Mauritania in the winter cruised the West Indies for four months the same as the QE and QM did cruises to Las Palmas and the West Indies. By the way I'm talking about the original QE & QM. From Liverpool in the 60s Brittanic, Corrinthia did the Canada run and also cunard run cargo from Liverpool.

Cunard ships have been calling in Southampton since 1911. They bought 3 liners (Albania, Ausonia and Ascania). Cargo was loaded at Tilbury and passengers boarded in Southampton before heading to Canada. Albania was the first Cunard arrival on the 2nd May. From 1919 they based ships in the city, which included the original Queens, before completing the move to Southampton in 1967. Funny Liverpool conveniently forgets that. They reckon QE2 had strong links even though she called all of 9 times from 1990 (1 less than her birthplace). This has always been about Cunard because Liverpool cannot let go of the past and build on the present the way London has. Southampton isn't the only port but it has the double tide many don't and is more sheltered, hence weather refugees coming when Dover is closed. It'll only be smaller ports like Portsmouth (which currently has Liverpool's former Fred Olsen winter business) they'll hurt. But then in peak summer season, Fred Olsen moved to Scotland then Newcastle to save fuel, before returning for winter cruising. This is what they don't understand. If Liverpool think they can compete, cough up all the money and prove it instead of whinging.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the turnaround question, I have to say what a classy place Southampton comes across as, with an intelligent population, always ready with a well thought out opinion....

Padlocking propellors - really ?
Liverpool whingeing - really ?
To poor for cruises except as cleaners ? Classy !

DfT changed its tune from the publication of the consultation paper, saying, in effect, that the Liverpool Cruise Terminal is second hand, and is not worth 9m anymore, which is correct.
All businesses are allowed depreciation on their assets, so why is Liverpool not allowed to ?. The 9 million is not there anymore folks.
How can the Government block a start-up operation, in favour of a monopoly?.
All those public service jobs that were lost, will be filled by an expansion of the private sector, says the Government.
Cameron asks Heseltine and Sir Terry Leahy to look into what Liverpool needs for economic regeneration????.
Cameron appoints a graduate from Southampton University as the new Secretary of State for Transport.
The UK back in recession and one of the enterprises that is expanding, cruising, is subject to restriction of trade, from a CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT!.
A poll on Cruises.co.uk, asks the question,'Would you cruise from LIverpool?.'
Of the 343 who voted, 263, or 77%, said they would.
Liverpool wins, 'Best UK City,' in a poll of travel industry professionals from around the country.
Talk about holding a city back.

Well done Royston, yet more good work.

misbehaving wrote:
A good decision and I think Royston Smith should be given a lot of the credit for sticking up for southampton and the docks. I expect he will on get slagged of on here though

No not him slagged off for the job that he did but YOU.
.
Are you thick enough to think that it was basically a one man job!!.
.
You seem to have conveniently forgotton the following who all played a very important part.
.
Caroline Noakes ..... Denham ...Lewis .... Whitehead .... Hannan MEP. Plus the countless others who all had input.
.
What are Smithy's spin doctor

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Royston, yet more good work.

Another hilarious poster who thinks Royston is the only one who does anything ..... Idiot

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Royston, yet more good work.

Another hilarious poster who thinks Royston is the only one who does anything ..... Idiot

Whenever anything goes wrong you seem to believe that he alone is always responsible. Funny old world you live in.

Torchie1 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Royston, yet more good work.

Another hilarious poster who thinks Royston is the only one who does anything ..... Idiot

Whenever anything goes wrong you seem to believe that he alone is always responsible. Funny old world you live in.

Fortunately its not as hilarious are yours ....... someimes i feel as if i am missing something about the great man

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Royston, yet more good work.

Another hilarious poster who thinks Royston is the only one who does anything ..... Idiot

Whenever anything goes wrong you seem to believe that he alone is always responsible. Funny old world you live in.

Fortunately its not as hilarious are yours ....... someimes i feel as if i am missing something about the great man

Mr Lonely Ranger...... It would appear that when things don't go your way it's ALL Roystons fault, yet when something positive happens it's not down to Royston, but a decision made by the Council equally.

You can't have it both ways ;-)

Charlie Pontoon wrote:
Whatever the rights or wrongs of the turnaround question, I have to say what a classy place Southampton comes across as, with an intelligent population, always ready with a well thought out opinion....

Padlocking propellors - really ?
Liverpool whingeing - really ?
To poor for cruises except as cleaners ? Classy !

Do you know what? I agree!!!!!!

I apologise on behalf of most Southampton people, we're not all ignorant :-) x

Charlie Pontoon wrote:
Whatever the rights or wrongs of the turnaround question, I have to say what a classy place Southampton comes across as, with an intelligent population, always ready with a well thought out opinion....

Padlocking propellors - really ?
Liverpool whingeing - really ?
To poor for cruises except as cleaners ? Classy !

Indeed and sadly it would appear that comments you mention above are not isolated. Narrow minded Cityism in action. Hopefully one day the mindset of our Southampton friends will change.

Lionel P wrote:

elvisimo wrote:
agreed pay it all back then no real problem. Unfortuately they wont. The city has sponged of the public and eu purse for years and done very nicely out of it.

Liverpool should concetrate on sorting out their swathes of slum housing and not concentrate on the cruises which none of the could actually afford to go on (apart from as cleaners) anyway........

Two cleaners in Liverpool having a gossip, one says " We're goin' on a cruise fer our 'olidays this year because my 'usband werks fer Cunard."

The other ones says "My 'usband werks f'k'n 'ard as well, but we can't afford a 'oliday."

An offensive comment Lionel. You really should visit Liverpool sometime. Open your eyes and refrain from Cityismm it's 2012. Days of the "Blackstuff Boys" have long gone.

Pete Beard wrote:

Lionel P wrote:

elvisimo wrote:
agreed pay it all back then no real problem. Unfortuately they wont. The city has sponged of the public and eu purse for years and done very nicely out of it.

Liverpool should concetrate on sorting out their swathes of slum housing and not concentrate on the cruises which none of the could actually afford to go on (apart from as cleaners) anyway........

Two cleaners in Liverpool having a gossip, one says " We're goin' on a cruise fer our 'olidays this year because my 'usband werks fer Cunard."

The other ones says "My 'usband werks f'k'n 'ard as well, but we can't afford a 'oliday."

An offensive comment Lionel. You really should visit Liverpool sometime. Open your eyes and refrain from Cityismm it's 2012. Days of the "Blackstuff Boys" have long gone.

Sense of humour failure.

I find it a bit rich some of the comments from the Northeners on here, I don't think your all Tea Leafs but from day one you've tried to justify the lies to get the grants

loosehead wrote:
I find it a bit rich some of the comments from the Northeners on here, I don't think your all Tea Leafs but from day one you've tried to justify the lies to get the grants

So you justify your sterotypical view no doubt borne by Harry Enfield /Bread/Shameless charactersand the like by the fact that in your opinion all "scousers/northerner
s" are not thieves. Absolutely amazing to be so narrow minded. It's 2012, we even have running hot water up north you might be surprised to hear.

Big Mac wrote:

Pete Beard wrote:

Lionel P wrote:

elvisimo wrote: agreed pay it all back then no real problem. Unfortuately they wont. The city has sponged of the public and eu purse for years and done very nicely out of it. Liverpool should concetrate on sorting out their swathes of slum housing and not concentrate on the cruises which none of the could actually afford to go on (apart from as cleaners) anyway........

Two cleaners in Liverpool having a gossip, one says " We're goin' on a cruise fer our 'olidays this year because my 'usband werks fer Cunard." The other ones says "My 'usband werks f'k'n 'ard as well, but we can't afford a 'oliday."

An offensive comment Lionel. You really should visit Liverpool sometime. Open your eyes and refrain from Cityismm it's 2012. Days of the "Blackstuff Boys" have long gone.

Sense of humour failure.

No just bored and offended by the same old comments. New material please

arizonan wrote:
DfT changed its tune from the publication of the consultation paper, saying, in effect, that the Liverpool Cruise Terminal is second hand, and is not worth 9m anymore, which is correct.
All businesses are allowed depreciation on their assets, so why is Liverpool not allowed to ?. The 9 million is not there anymore folks.
How can the Government block a start-up operation, in favour of a monopoly?.
All those public service jobs that were lost, will be filled by an expansion of the private sector, says the Government.
Cameron asks Heseltine and Sir Terry Leahy to look into what Liverpool needs for economic regeneration????.
Cameron appoints a graduate from Southampton University as the new Secretary of State for Transport.
The UK back in recession and one of the enterprises that is expanding, cruising, is subject to restriction of trade, from a CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT!.
A poll on Cruises.co.uk, asks the question,'Would you cruise from LIverpool?.'
Of the 343 who voted, 263, or 77%, said they would.
Liverpool wins, 'Best UK City,' in a poll of travel industry professionals from around the country.
Talk about holding a city back.

This what you call an open free marketing place, where it will stop any real compention and not try to go on any merits

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Royston, yet more good work.

Another hilarious poster who thinks Royston is the only one who does anything ..... Idiot

Whenever anything goes wrong you seem to believe that he alone is always responsible. Funny old world you live in.

Fortunately its not as hilarious are yours ....... someimes i feel as if i am missing something about the great man

Mr Lonely Ranger...... It would appear that when things don't go your way it's ALL Roystons fault, yet when something positive happens it's not down to Royston, but a decision made by the Council equally.

You can't have it both ways ;-)

The truth is was not down to Smithy but a colletive of people higher up than smithy.

loosehead wrote:
I find it a bit rich some of the comments from the Northeners on here, I don't think your all Tea Leafs but from day one you've tried to justify the lies to get the grants

Do you realise how much money Southampton had over the days when it was Nationalise and had to be rebuilt after the war, and the cost of building the container port all money that has not been returned.
Tell you what Liverpool return all money and southampton to do so to, get them both to start at a level playing field.

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I find it a bit rich some of the comments from the Northeners on here, I don't think your all Tea Leafs but from day one you've tried to justify the lies to get the grants

Do you realise how much money Southampton had over the days when it was Nationalise and had to be rebuilt after the war, and the cost of building the container port all money that has not been returned.
Tell you what Liverpool return all money and southampton to do so to, get them both to start at a level playing field.

I think it's a bit rich calling your self Southy & then slagging down the South? If you hate the city so much there's plenty of empty homes in Liverpool why don't you move there & maybe you can call yourself Northy

Pete Beard wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I find it a bit rich some of the comments from the Northeners on here, I don't think your all Tea Leafs but from day one you've tried to justify the lies to get the grants

So you justify your sterotypical view no doubt borne by Harry Enfield /Bread/Shameless charactersand the like by the fact that in your opinion all "scousers/north
erner
s" are not thieves. Absolutely amazing to be so narrow minded. It's 2012, we even have running hot water up north you might be surprised to hear.

Sorry ? your reply is exactly the type of idiotical response people base their theories of Scousers/Northeners on.
If you had followed this story My DAD was from Liverpool many of my relatives live either in Liverpool or the Wirral.I don't label people from Liverpool,Birkenhead or Wallasey but your local city council went & applied for grants & told lies to get them.
Any grant that came to this city was not obtained through lies yours were.
This port & city has said all along pay back those grants & fine open market competition so what exactly is your problem?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

misbehaving wrote:
A good decision and I think Royston Smith should be given a lot of the credit for sticking up for southampton and the docks. I expect he will on get slagged of on here though

No not him slagged off for the job that he did but YOU.
.
Are you thick enough to think that it was basically a one man job!!.
.
You seem to have conveniently forgotton the following who all played a very important part.
.
Caroline Noakes ..... Denham ...Lewis .... Whitehead .... Hannan MEP. Plus the countless others who all had input.
.
What are Smithy's spin doctor

Lone Ranger did you watch the politics show? Denham has only just jumped on the bandwagon.
Julian Lewis is an enemy of the ports prosperity he would support or do anything to help keep the port on it's present foot print if he was worried about jobs he wouldn't sit there with a smirk on his face boasting on how he had stopped Dibden Bay.
Forget the work it could have bought to the waterside all he could go on about was the New Forest?
Pity he didn't stop all the new housing estates then & Hythe Marina.
I hope they take the reclaimed land & use it on the extension of Mayflower Park & restore Dibden back to a bay

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I find it a bit rich some of the comments from the Northeners on here, I don't think your all Tea Leafs but from day one you've tried to justify the lies to get the grants

Do you realise how much money Southampton had over the days when it was Nationalise and had to be rebuilt after the war, and the cost of building the container port all money that has not been returned.
Tell you what Liverpool return all money and southampton to do so to, get them both to start at a level playing field.

As usual Southy doesnt have a clue what he is taking about but no doubt when he is finally elected as a TUSC councillor he can right all the so called 'wrongs' that he reckons have happened have happened in this city.
Close the port down, get rid of the Boat show,move all the work up north.
That's the way to do it!!

loosehead wrote:

Pete Beard wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I find it a bit rich some of the comments from the Northeners on here, I don't think your all Tea Leafs but from day one you've tried to justify the lies to get the grants

So you justify your sterotypical view no doubt borne by Harry Enfield /Bread/Shameless charactersand the like by the fact that in your opinion all "scousers/north

erner
s" are not thieves. Absolutely amazing to be so narrow minded. It's 2012, we even have running hot water up north you might be surprised to hear.

Sorry ? your reply is exactly the type of idiotical response people base their theories of Scousers/Northeners on.
If you had followed this story My DAD was from Liverpool many of my relatives live either in Liverpool or the Wirral.I don't label people from Liverpool,Birkenhead or Wallasey but your local city council went & applied for grants & told lies to get them.
Any grant that came to this city was not obtained through lies yours were.
This port & city has said all along pay back those grants & fine open market competition so what exactly is your problem?

It was your comment that in your opinion not all Northerners are thieves not mine. Quote "I don't think your all tea leaves"Thus you are accusing a sector of the North as being criminals. Regardless of the issues concerning the grants etc which in reality are the politicians etc not the masses. Therefore you are labelling people and as such are acting in offensive manner. If you make racist comment you will be prosecuted and rightly so, however it appears acceptable that people on here can make cityist comment and face no consequence. Hopefully this will change longterm. In so as your port, remember this was a nationalised industry that was given to shareholders and has sold the family jewels many times across it's group in terms of land sales etc, Ocean Village in your City for example and benefited shareholders and now the global monster that is Goldman Sachs.

Pete Beard wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Pete Beard wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I find it a bit rich some of the comments from the Northeners on here, I don't think your all Tea Leafs but from day one you've tried to justify the lies to get the grants

So you justify your sterotypical view no doubt borne by Harry Enfield /Bread/Shameless charactersand the like by the fact that in your opinion all "scousers/north


erner
s" are not thieves. Absolutely amazing to be so narrow minded. It's 2012, we even have running hot water up north you might be surprised to hear.

Sorry ? your reply is exactly the type of idiotical response people base their theories of Scousers/Northeners on.
If you had followed this story My DAD was from Liverpool many of my relatives live either in Liverpool or the Wirral.I don't label people from Liverpool,Birkenhead or Wallasey but your local city council went & applied for grants & told lies to get them.
Any grant that came to this city was not obtained through lies yours were.
This port & city has said all along pay back those grants & fine open market competition so what exactly is your problem?

It was your comment that in your opinion not all Northerners are thieves not mine. Quote "I don't think your all tea leaves"Thus you are accusing a sector of the North as being criminals. Regardless of the issues concerning the grants etc which in reality are the politicians etc not the masses. Therefore you are labelling people and as such are acting in offensive manner. If you make racist comment you will be prosecuted and rightly so, however it appears acceptable that people on here can make cityist comment and face no consequence. Hopefully this will change longterm. In so as your port, remember this was a nationalised industry that was given to shareholders and has sold the family jewels many times across it's group in terms of land sales etc, Ocean Village in your City for example and benefited shareholders and now the global monster that is Goldman Sachs.

The comments on here were saying your thieves & many other things I was actually saying I know your not but you can't see that what's your problem?
as for racism? my wifes Thai my dad was from Liverpool. i'll say it again MY DAD WAS FROM LIVERPOOL, my sisters an avid Liverpool fan my cousins have been down to Southampton & stayed at my mums If my wife would I would love to visit my cousins.
As for labelling people your way off the mark! I have said I would love to see industry go to Liverpool I just feel the way your council has gone about it is wrong.
I will slag off your council or any anti Southampton posts but I won't belittle any one from Mersey side I have Liverpool roots & I'm proud of it

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I find it a bit rich some of the comments from the Northeners on here, I don't think your all Tea Leafs but from day one you've tried to justify the lies to get the grants

Do you realise how much money Southampton had over the days when it was Nationalise and had to be rebuilt after the war, and the cost of building the container port all money that has not been returned.
Tell you what Liverpool return all money and southampton to do so to, get them both to start at a level playing field.

As usual Southy doesnt have a clue what he is taking about but no doubt when he is finally elected as a TUSC councillor he can right all the so called 'wrongs' that he reckons have happened have happened in this city.
Close the port down, get rid of the Boat show,move all the work up north.
That's the way to do it!!

Phil please help me here. I said I don't think people from the North are tea leafs then I get Pete Beard going on about racism I was not knocking scousers so what the hell's he on about?

All I can say that stereotyping people unfairly does cause some upset and even if comments are made in jest they can easily be misinterpreted in print.
There have been adverse comments about Liverpool people on here and, if you look at the Liverpool Echo site, there have been unfavourable comments on greeedy 'southerners' on their site too.

Edwick wrote:
Liverpool had cruises and mail ships operating from the port right back to the start of Cunard !

Southampton has so far been lucky that they have had so many ships visiting the port which bring business to the city but it is not an entitlement !

Owners will put the sailings of their cruise ships where they feel they are needed which may not be Southampton !

It is time some of you stopped thinking it is your right to have the cruise ships at Southampton !
.

Southampton's expansion was done purely with private investments. Bring on competition, but why not have a level playing field?

Edwick wrote:
Liverpool had cruises and mail ships operating from the port right back to the start of Cunard !

Southampton has so far been lucky that they have had so many ships visiting the port which bring business to the city but it is not an entitlement !

Owners will put the sailings of their cruise ships where they feel they are needed which may not be Southampton !

It is time some of you stopped thinking it is your right to have the cruise ships at Southampton !
.

Southampton's expansion was done purely with private investments. Bring on competition, but why not have a level playing field?

not sure why this was double posted. but my understanding is that Liverpool is a much larger and more financially mobile city than Southampton. As some people have commented. This is not the 80's and gone are the days of Yosser. Liverpool have been European city of culture for god sake. So why the need for public investment? I dont think that its particularly political other than the tories have decided not to invest in anything.

And admirable solution and great to see the liners coming back to the Mersey at last.

http://www.liverpool
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The money will be paid in annual installments, based on revenue from the number of cruise liner turnarounds.

Well done Liverpool.

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