Police defend handling of illegal Jubilee rave

Police defend handling of illegal Jubilee rave

Police defend handling of illegal Jubilee rave

First published in News

Police have defended their handling of an illegal Jubilee rave in Southampton.

It comes after party goers criticised the way officers dealt with the party on Southampton Common.

That happened when a controversial unlicensed street party in the heart of the city was stopped from going ahead by police.

Officers and partygoers clashed and several people were arrested for blasting out music on the Common – and then released without further action.

Residents praised officers for their quick response in swooping to shut down an unlicensed Jubilee party.

But last night party organisers from Freedom Freaks Sound System accused police of provoking the ugly scenes by “coming in heavy-handed” even accusing officers of encouraging the party at Southampton Common.

Daily Echo: Diamond Jubilee - Earlier Stories It comes as more than 100 people gathered for a party in the park.

Officers had directed them there from an unlicensed and unapproved mass street party, which had been arranged for Newcombe Road in the Polygon despite warnings from police and Southampton City Council.

A jeering crowd threw bottles and cans at officers when they swooped from behind bushes at the Common on Sunday to seize the sound system blasting out loud music beside the children’s playground.

One of the Freedom Freaks Sound System organisers, 23-year-old Martin Secree, last night claimed police were taking revellers to the Common in their police vans.

He said: “We never have problems at our events. The police told us to go to the Common and the next minute those same officers came in rough handed – that is what caused all the trouble. It was a set up.

“They came from everywhere, they took away thousands of pounds worth of equipment and had absolutely no respect for it.

“We want to work with the police not against them.”

A Hampshire police spokesman, said: “To ensure public safety police will intervene to stop unlicensed events where ever possible and take action against those suspected of being responsible for organising them.”

Lorraine Barter, a member of Polygon campaign group Residents Action, said: “It would have been a nightmare if police hadn’t cordoned off Newcombe Road. I have to complement the police on their swift action, they acted brilliantly to move the problem away and then deal with it quickly. It saved us residents from a dangerous situation.”

Meanwhile a 25-year-old man from Southampton was held on suspicion of causing public nuisance and another 27-year-old man was held on suspicion of a public order offence.

They are now both on bail pending further police enquiries.

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2:55pm Tue 5 Jun 12

The Music Man says...

Idiots
Idiots The Music Man
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3:10pm Tue 5 Jun 12

UncleF says...

If its that much fun, go hold it in your own road. Don't whine when it goes wrong when you choose to hold some trashy dance event in a public park without a licence.
If its that much fun, go hold it in your own road. Don't whine when it goes wrong when you choose to hold some trashy dance event in a public park without a licence. UncleF
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3:12pm Tue 5 Jun 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie!

This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...
FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie! This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now... freemantlegirl2
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3:19pm Tue 5 Jun 12

bigfella777 says...

UncleF wrote:
If its that much fun, go hold it in your own road. Don't whine when it goes wrong when you choose to hold some trashy dance event in a public park without a licence.
Here we go again zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzz
[quote][p][bold]UncleF[/bold] wrote: If its that much fun, go hold it in your own road. Don't whine when it goes wrong when you choose to hold some trashy dance event in a public park without a licence.[/p][/quote]Here we go again zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz bigfella777
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3:20pm Tue 5 Jun 12

ToastyTea says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie!

This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...
Umm yes they, when I arrived at the park the police had just arrived with aload of people in their van actually getting out of the van at that point.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie! This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...[/p][/quote]Umm yes they, when I arrived at the park the police had just arrived with aload of people in their van actually getting out of the van at that point. ToastyTea
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3:57pm Tue 5 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

Why are the police defending their decision, they were just upholding the Law.

I have nothing against people having fun, but do so legally or expect the Police to take action.

Enjoy the last few hours of the extended holidays!
Why are the police defending their decision, they were just upholding the Law. I have nothing against people having fun, but do so legally or expect the Police to take action. Enjoy the last few hours of the extended holidays! IronLady2010
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4:15pm Tue 5 Jun 12

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Why are the police defending their decision, they were just upholding the Law.

I have nothing against people having fun, but do so legally or expect the Police to take action.

Enjoy the last few hours of the extended holidays!
I hope you've enjoyed the Jubilee?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why are the police defending their decision, they were just upholding the Law. I have nothing against people having fun, but do so legally or expect the Police to take action. Enjoy the last few hours of the extended holidays![/p][/quote]I hope you've enjoyed the Jubilee? loosehead
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4:26pm Tue 5 Jun 12

peacefullraver says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie!

This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...
I was in one of the police vans that gave myself and 8 others a lift from varsity to the common.I also have picture evidin the statement is true.ence to prove it. Everthing
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie! This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...[/p][/quote]I was in one of the police vans that gave myself and 8 others a lift from varsity to the common.I also have picture evidin the statement is true.ence to prove it. Everthing peacefullraver
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4:31pm Tue 5 Jun 12

peacefullraver says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie!

This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...
I was one of the people who got a lift from Varsity to the common in a police van with 8 others, I have picture evidence to prove it. Everything in Martins statement is true.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie! This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...[/p][/quote]I was one of the people who got a lift from Varsity to the common in a police van with 8 others, I have picture evidence to prove it. Everything in Martins statement is true. peacefullraver
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4:50pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Dusty says...

Where was all the union Jacks Bunting etc. It was an excuse to hold an illegal rave and piggy back it on to the jubilee celebrations. There was nothing
Where was all the union Jacks Bunting etc. It was an excuse to hold an illegal rave and piggy back it on to the jubilee celebrations. There was nothing Dusty
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5:12pm Tue 5 Jun 12

thesouth says...

Dusty wrote:
Where was all the union Jacks Bunting etc. It was an excuse to hold an illegal rave and piggy back it on to the jubilee celebrations. There was nothing
exactly. Bunch of idiots acting like idiots that shouldnt be surprised when they are treated like idiots.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: Where was all the union Jacks Bunting etc. It was an excuse to hold an illegal rave and piggy back it on to the jubilee celebrations. There was nothing[/p][/quote]exactly. Bunch of idiots acting like idiots that shouldnt be surprised when they are treated like idiots. thesouth
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5:27pm Tue 5 Jun 12

gazdance says...

Let's say that the police had done nothing about the party that tried to happen at the common.

Had it gone ahead, unorganised and unlicensed, the police would be criticised just as much for doing nothing about it because someone, somewhere would be bothered about it or affected by potential related crime or disorder. It's a no win situation for them.

People need to realise that the police are there to uphold public safety and to keep the peace, first and foremost.

If upsetting a few revellers is what happens then so be it.

People cannot just do what they like, whenever and wherever they want to.
Let's say that the police had done nothing about the party that tried to happen at the common. Had it gone ahead, unorganised and unlicensed, the police would be criticised just as much for doing nothing about it because someone, somewhere would be bothered about it or affected by potential related crime or disorder. It's a no win situation for them. People need to realise that the police are there to uphold public safety and to keep the peace, first and foremost. If upsetting a few revellers is what happens then so be it. People cannot just do what they like, whenever and wherever they want to. gazdance
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7:23pm Tue 5 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Why are the police defending their decision, they were just upholding the Law.

I have nothing against people having fun, but do so legally or expect the Police to take action.

Enjoy the last few hours of the extended holidays!
I hope you've enjoyed the Jubilee?
I must admit, I watched it all on Sky. Not really a Royalist, but I am proud of our Country.

Really have enjoyed this weekend! I hope everyone else has enjoyed their weekend!

Long live our Queen! (Can't say God save the Queen, as I don't believe in God).
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why are the police defending their decision, they were just upholding the Law. I have nothing against people having fun, but do so legally or expect the Police to take action. Enjoy the last few hours of the extended holidays![/p][/quote]I hope you've enjoyed the Jubilee?[/p][/quote]I must admit, I watched it all on Sky. Not really a Royalist, but I am proud of our Country. Really have enjoyed this weekend! I hope everyone else has enjoyed their weekend! Long live our Queen! (Can't say God save the Queen, as I don't believe in God). IronLady2010
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7:25pm Tue 5 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

peacefullraver wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie!

This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...
I was in one of the police vans that gave myself and 8 others a lift from varsity to the common.I also have picture evidin the statement is true.ence to prove it. Everthing
Can you upload this evidence as the Police aren't Insured as a taxi service!

Upload your evidence or we'll assume you're telling porkie pies........
[quote][p][bold]peacefullraver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie! This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...[/p][/quote]I was in one of the police vans that gave myself and 8 others a lift from varsity to the common.I also have picture evidin the statement is true.ence to prove it. Everthing[/p][/quote]Can you upload this evidence as the Police aren't Insured as a taxi service! Upload your evidence or we'll assume you're telling porkie pies........ IronLady2010
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7:34pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

I thought the Police were excellent. How many times has it been said on here: get your permit, party on. Trouble is, the party group want a freeby with no permit ie: No insurance, pitch fee, no credible security, no toilets for the event, no Police liaison and definitely no public scrutiny. How do you expect the Council to agree a request for an event when they appear to want to give so little. Amazing.
I thought the Police were excellent. How many times has it been said on here: get your permit, party on. Trouble is, the party group want a freeby with no permit ie: No insurance, pitch fee, no credible security, no toilets for the event, no Police liaison and definitely no public scrutiny. How do you expect the Council to agree a request for an event when they appear to want to give so little. Amazing. Sir Ad E Noid
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7:41pm Tue 5 Jun 12

opera phantom says...

The Music Man wrote:
Idiots
So are you. You can't choose which
laws you wish to obey and disobey
the ones that you don't like.
The law is the law. End of.
[quote][p][bold]The Music Man[/bold] wrote: Idiots[/p][/quote]So are you. You can't choose which laws you wish to obey and disobey the ones that you don't like. The law is the law. End of. opera phantom
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8:05pm Tue 5 Jun 12

shirley whirley says...

How dare the organisers take offence to this action. they out of everyone knew this party was not allowed to go ahead!
How dare the organisers take offence to this action. they out of everyone knew this party was not allowed to go ahead! shirley whirley
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8:59pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Ted Rogers says...

I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful.
Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time. Ted Rogers
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9:04pm Tue 5 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful.
Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
What a crass statement from a total toe rag!
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]What a crass statement from a total toe rag! loosehead
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6:44am Wed 6 Jun 12

Karma Unc says...

This is your government speaking, citizens are warned that celebrating your Monarch's Diamond Jubilee without the necessary paperwork is forbidden. Any deviation from the prescribed festivities will be dealt with by force. Thank you for your co-operation.

Sir Reginald Brownose.
Ministry of Fun
This is your government speaking, citizens are warned that celebrating your Monarch's Diamond Jubilee without the necessary paperwork is forbidden. Any deviation from the prescribed festivities will be dealt with by force. Thank you for your co-operation. Sir Reginald Brownose. Ministry of Fun Karma Unc
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9:35am Wed 6 Jun 12

cliffwalker says...

Karma Unc wrote:
This is your government speaking, citizens are warned that celebrating your Monarch's Diamond Jubilee without the necessary paperwork is forbidden. Any deviation from the prescribed festivities will be dealt with by force. Thank you for your co-operation.

Sir Reginald Brownose.
Ministry of Fun
I think you'll find we are the monarch's subjects not citizens. As such, Sir Reg, you should check with Buck House that you're using the correct form in your announcement.
[quote][p][bold]Karma Unc[/bold] wrote: This is your government speaking, citizens are warned that celebrating your Monarch's Diamond Jubilee without the necessary paperwork is forbidden. Any deviation from the prescribed festivities will be dealt with by force. Thank you for your co-operation. Sir Reginald Brownose. Ministry of Fun[/p][/quote]I think you'll find we are the monarch's subjects not citizens. As such, Sir Reg, you should check with Buck House that you're using the correct form in your announcement. cliffwalker
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11:37am Wed 6 Jun 12

The Salv says...

peacefullraver wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote: FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie! This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...
I was one of the people who got a lift from Varsity to the common in a police van with 8 others, I have picture evidence to prove it. Everything in Martins statement is true.
Once again FMG2 makes an idiot of herself. If your bored with it dont read and comment on it fool.
[quote][p][bold]peacefullraver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: FFS, there is no way police would transport people up there in a Police van they're simply not allowed to do that! for all sorts of reasons - it's a clear lie! This the Echo re-spinning yesterday's story bored now...[/p][/quote]I was one of the people who got a lift from Varsity to the common in a police van with 8 others, I have picture evidence to prove it. Everything in Martins statement is true.[/p][/quote]Once again FMG2 makes an idiot of herself. If your bored with it dont read and comment on it fool. The Salv
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11:43am Wed 6 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful.
Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
A bit low brow for you Ted.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]A bit low brow for you Ted. Shoong
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11:43am Wed 6 Jun 12

Shoong says...

bigfella777 wrote:
UncleF wrote:
If its that much fun, go hold it in your own road. Don't whine when it goes wrong when you choose to hold some trashy dance event in a public park without a licence.
Here we go again zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

zzzzz
Don't you live in Pompey? Do one.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UncleF[/bold] wrote: If its that much fun, go hold it in your own road. Don't whine when it goes wrong when you choose to hold some trashy dance event in a public park without a licence.[/p][/quote]Here we go again zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz[/p][/quote]Don't you live in Pompey? Do one. Shoong
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11:44am Wed 6 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Dusty wrote:
Where was all the union Jacks Bunting etc. It was an excuse to hold an illegal rave and piggy back it on to the jubilee celebrations. There was nothing
Exactly.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: Where was all the union Jacks Bunting etc. It was an excuse to hold an illegal rave and piggy back it on to the jubilee celebrations. There was nothing[/p][/quote]Exactly. Shoong
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12:16pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Georgem says...

The Queen's a despot??
The Queen's a despot?? Georgem
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12:38pm Wed 6 Jun 12

opera phantom says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful.
Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot. opera phantom
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12:41pm Wed 6 Jun 12

opera phantom says...

Karma Unc wrote:
This is your government speaking, citizens are warned that celebrating your Monarch's Diamond Jubilee without the necessary paperwork is forbidden. Any deviation from the prescribed festivities will be dealt with by force. Thank you for your co-operation.

Sir Reginald Brownose.
Ministry of Fun
Yet another idiotic comment from an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Karma Unc[/bold] wrote: This is your government speaking, citizens are warned that celebrating your Monarch's Diamond Jubilee without the necessary paperwork is forbidden. Any deviation from the prescribed festivities will be dealt with by force. Thank you for your co-operation. Sir Reginald Brownose. Ministry of Fun[/p][/quote]Yet another idiotic comment from an idiot. opera phantom
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12:44pm Wed 6 Jun 12

opera phantom says...

Georgem wrote:
The Queen's a despot??
and you are an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: The Queen's a despot??[/p][/quote]and you are an idiot. opera phantom
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2:11pm Wed 6 Jun 12

allmove4ward2geva says...

Wow, I thought that if all The 'Trouble Makers' were in one place all these nimbys would be happy. Back in your lots days you use to get the chairs and tables out on the main roads for parties like these, but that was alright I suppose...
Wow, I thought that if all The 'Trouble Makers' were in one place all these nimbys would be happy. Back in your lots days you use to get the chairs and tables out on the main roads for parties like these, but that was alright I suppose... allmove4ward2geva
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2:29pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Georgem says...

opera phantom wrote:
Georgem wrote:
The Queen's a despot??
and you are an idiot.
Because I don't think the Queen's a despot? GTFO.
[quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: The Queen's a despot??[/p][/quote]and you are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Because I don't think the Queen's a despot? GTFO. Georgem
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2:30pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Georgem says...

opera phantom wrote:
Georgem wrote:
The Queen's a despot??
and you are an idiot.
Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool.
[quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: The Queen's a despot??[/p][/quote]and you are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool. Georgem
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2:43pm Wed 6 Jun 12

allmove4ward2geva says...

Georgem wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Georgem wrote: The Queen's a despot??
and you are an idiot.
Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool.
Think he just likes moaning, wouldnt take it personally
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: The Queen's a despot??[/p][/quote]and you are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool.[/p][/quote]Think he just likes moaning, wouldnt take it personally allmove4ward2geva
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2:44pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Georgem says...

allmove4ward2geva wrote:
Georgem wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Georgem wrote: The Queen's a despot??
and you are an idiot.
Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool.
Think he just likes moaning, wouldnt take it personally
But this is the Internet. I HAVE to take everything personally!
[quote][p][bold]allmove4ward2geva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: The Queen's a despot??[/p][/quote]and you are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool.[/p][/quote]Think he just likes moaning, wouldnt take it personally[/p][/quote]But this is the Internet. I HAVE to take everything personally! Georgem
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3:27pm Wed 6 Jun 12

allmove4ward2geva says...

Georgem wrote:
allmove4ward2geva wrote:
Georgem wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Georgem wrote: The Queen's a despot??
and you are an idiot.
Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool.
Think he just likes moaning, wouldnt take it personally
But this is the Internet. I HAVE to take everything personally!
Fair point :)
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allmove4ward2geva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: The Queen's a despot??[/p][/quote]and you are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool.[/p][/quote]Think he just likes moaning, wouldnt take it personally[/p][/quote]But this is the Internet. I HAVE to take everything personally![/p][/quote]Fair point :) allmove4ward2geva
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3:30pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Ted Rogers says...

opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person'

There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.
[quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.[/p][/quote]'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate. Ted Rogers
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3:53pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Georgem says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person'

There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.
What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me.

This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they?

You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.[/p][/quote]'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.[/p][/quote]What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother? Georgem
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4:39pm Wed 6 Jun 12

allmove4ward2geva says...

Georgem wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.
What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?
Why waste so much time with such a boring reply?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.[/p][/quote]'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.[/p][/quote]What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?[/p][/quote]Why waste so much time with such a boring reply? allmove4ward2geva
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5:02pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Ted Rogers says...

Georgem wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.
What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?
Please be offended, insulted or even sickened if you wish to. As I wish to describe a person/type or events as I see it/them.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.[/p][/quote]'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.[/p][/quote]What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?[/p][/quote]Please be offended, insulted or even sickened if you wish to. As I wish to describe a person/type or events as I see it/them. Ted Rogers
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5:07pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Georgem says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.
What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?
Please be offended, insulted or even sickened if you wish to. As I wish to describe a person/type or events as I see it/them.
Sure, you're free to Aladeen your own meanings for Aladeens if you like. Doesn't do you much good when nobody else shares your Aladeens. What an Aladeen!
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.[/p][/quote]'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.[/p][/quote]What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?[/p][/quote]Please be offended, insulted or even sickened if you wish to. As I wish to describe a person/type or events as I see it/them.[/p][/quote]Sure, you're free to Aladeen your own meanings for Aladeens if you like. Doesn't do you much good when nobody else shares your Aladeens. What an Aladeen! Georgem
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5:49pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Ted Rogers says...

Georgem wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.
What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?
Please be offended, insulted or even sickened if you wish to. As I wish to describe a person/type or events as I see it/them.
Sure, you're free to Aladeen your own meanings for Aladeens if you like. Doesn't do you much good when nobody else shares your Aladeens. What an Aladeen!
I'm sure the people of Syria share that same view!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.[/p][/quote]'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.[/p][/quote]What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?[/p][/quote]Please be offended, insulted or even sickened if you wish to. As I wish to describe a person/type or events as I see it/them.[/p][/quote]Sure, you're free to Aladeen your own meanings for Aladeens if you like. Doesn't do you much good when nobody else shares your Aladeens. What an Aladeen![/p][/quote]I'm sure the people of Syria share that same view! Ted Rogers
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7:01pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Georgem says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.
What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?
Please be offended, insulted or even sickened if you wish to. As I wish to describe a person/type or events as I see it/them.
Sure, you're free to Aladeen your own meanings for Aladeens if you like. Doesn't do you much good when nobody else shares your Aladeens. What an Aladeen!
I'm sure the people of Syria share that same view!
I'm Aladeen they do.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.[/p][/quote]'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.[/p][/quote]What power does the supposed despot in question actually wield, then? What do parliament do? What does the civil service do? I can't remember the last time our monarch, of her own volition, invented and enforced any rules or laws of her own. Remind me. This doesn't sound right at all, Ted. In fact, it sounds downright insulting to anyone who actually DOES live under despotic rule. I don't think the Syrian people, for example, are currently holding a benefit gig to free the UK from the tyranny of Evil QE2, are they? You tried the oldest trick in the book, the old "hide behind a dictionary definition" routine, and it still utterly failed. It sickens me that people died for our freedom, and others, like yourself, don't even notice that we have it. Why did they bother?[/p][/quote]Please be offended, insulted or even sickened if you wish to. As I wish to describe a person/type or events as I see it/them.[/p][/quote]Sure, you're free to Aladeen your own meanings for Aladeens if you like. Doesn't do you much good when nobody else shares your Aladeens. What an Aladeen![/p][/quote]I'm sure the people of Syria share that same view![/p][/quote]I'm Aladeen they do. Georgem
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11:48pm Wed 6 Jun 12

opera phantom says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person'

There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.
Get your facts right. The Queen has no say what so ever in how this country is run. She has no authority over the government.
The Monarch is not even allowed in the House of Commons. As Head of State she is just a figurehead and the State Opening of Parliament is just
pageantry.What laws she reads out are the sole decision of the government. not hers.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.[/p][/quote]'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.[/p][/quote]Get your facts right. The Queen has no say what so ever in how this country is run. She has no authority over the government. The Monarch is not even allowed in the House of Commons. As Head of State she is just a figurehead and the State Opening of Parliament is just pageantry.What laws she reads out are the sole decision of the government. not hers. opera phantom
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8:20am Thu 7 Jun 12

Georgem says...

opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.
Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.
'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person'

There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.
Get your facts right. The Queen has no say what so ever in how this country is run. She has no authority over the government.
The Monarch is not even allowed in the House of Commons. As Head of State she is just a figurehead and the State Opening of Parliament is just
pageantry.What laws she reads out are the sole decision of the government. not hers.
See subsequent comments: he's exercising his right to use his own definitions for words.
[quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: I think all of the parties celebrating the life of a despot and her cronies were distasteful. Thankfully we won't have to be subjected to all this nonsense again for some time.[/p][/quote]Read up the meaning of the word Despot. Distasteful Idiot.[/p][/quote]'In its classical form, despotism is a state where a single individual (the despot) wields all the power and authority embodying the state, and everyone else is a subsidiary person' There you go. Now go and take down your bunting and other garish displays of your willingness to be viewed as a sub-ordinate.[/p][/quote]Get your facts right. The Queen has no say what so ever in how this country is run. She has no authority over the government. The Monarch is not even allowed in the House of Commons. As Head of State she is just a figurehead and the State Opening of Parliament is just pageantry.What laws she reads out are the sole decision of the government. not hers.[/p][/quote]See subsequent comments: he's exercising his right to use his own definitions for words. Georgem
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12:54pm Thu 7 Jun 12

opera phantom says...

Georgem wrote:
opera phantom wrote:
Georgem wrote:
The Queen's a despot??
and you are an idiot.
Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool.
My apologies Georgem. for miss reading your comment. Didn't notice the question marks.
Bad error.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: The Queen's a despot??[/p][/quote]and you are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Ted is an idiot for saying the Queen's a despot, and I'm an idiot for saying the opposite? Make your mind up, fool.[/p][/quote]My apologies Georgem. for miss reading your comment. Didn't notice the question marks. Bad error. opera phantom
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