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Hampshire's fluoride debate

Anger as government 'goes back' on fluoride pledge


THE Government has been accused of abandoning the campaign to stop the fluoridation of Hampshire water supplies.

High profile Tories had pledged before the election to step in to ensure the controversial scheme is not imposed in the face of public opposition.

But they have now admitted they have no plans to change the law on how the chemical is introduced.

Anti-fluoride campaigners say they fear some Conservatives may have been using the subject purely to win votes in hotly-contested Hampshire seats.

The setback comes after Tory New Forest East MP Julian Lewis, who has consistently campaigned against fluoridation, asked for confirmation that promises from then shadow health ministers will go ahead.

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Almost 200,000 homes in parts of Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Netley and Rownhams are to have fluoridated tap water, under a scheme approved by South Central Strategic Health Authority last year.

But during a public consultation, in which 10,000 people gave their views, 72 per cent of those from the affected area said they opposed the plans.

In January, the now health secretary Andrew Lansley told the Daily Echo he believed the SHA’s consultation, which is now the subject of a High Court legal challenge, was “not real”.

And Prime Minister David Cameron told this paper: “I have always taken the view that this is something that should be decided locally and I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.”

But responding to Dr Lewis’ question in Parliament, leader of the House Sir George Young said there are “no plans at this stage” to change the law surrounding fluoride being added to water supplies.

He said: “I would mislead my honourable friend if I said we were planning to do anything in the short term to change the legislative framework in which the decisions are made.”

Hampshire Against Fluoridation chairman Stephen Peckham said he had been “disappointed” by the coalition’s lack of action.

He said: “You question whether people have been using the entire fluoridation campaign to garner votes – were they just saying it for that purpose?

“We were looking for a more positive response.

“Before the election the shadow minister was very clear that whilst it would not be one of their priorities, it was definitely something that they would look at.

“I think we would expect to see some movement, and that the department should be looking at this.”

Dr Lewis also said he was disappointed, but added that he has continued to press Mr Lansley to take action.

He said: “I shall be reminding the secretary of state for health of the excellent pledge from his former spokesman that it’s vital the people would have to agree before any decision is taken.

“I expect that to be upheld, regardless of the outcome of the judicial review.

“I think there’s a loophole in the law that needs to be closed. I hope that what we’re doing in Southampton will, ultimately, lead to the closure of that loophole that allows unelected and undemocratic organisations like strategic health authorities to say they’ve taken account that everyone disagrees with them, but they’re going to carry on regardless.”


Comments(23)

St.DaveH says...
12:34pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Says want you want to hear on the run up to elections, and then delievry of nothing but woe.....

Block41row0sfc says...
12:45pm Mon 5 Jul 10

wax works picture of cameron and says it all really the blokes a completly fake

Lone Ranger says...
12:54pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Absolutely priceless and you voters fell for the oldest trick in the book.
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I cant think that this shower with their yellow chums will keep one single promise.
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You fell for their desperation to have some power and now, just like the Lib Dem supporters you have been sold down the river by the biggest Con merchants in the business....The Con-servatives

goard says...
1:04pm Mon 5 Jul 10

I am a Lib Dem and Conservitive coalition; PLEASE don't let this happen - fluoride is not what we want. This is not a threat - THIS IS OUR LIVES. Please just have five minutes of the south east lives - this fluoride is NOT WHAT WE WANT - THIS IS INDEED DANGEROUS IN OUR LIVES,with cap in hand please put a stop to it.

StEmmosfire says...
1:18pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Lone Ranger wrote:
Absolutely priceless and you voters fell for the oldest trick in the book. . I cant think that this shower with their yellow chums will keep one single promise. . You fell for their desperation to have some power and now, just like the Lib Dem supporters you have been sold down the river by the biggest Con merchants in the business....The Con-servatives
Who do you reckon should be in charge of our country Mr Ranger? Who will make all the right decisions?

Lone Ranger says...
1:20pm Mon 5 Jul 10

StEmmosfire wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
Absolutely priceless and you voters fell for the oldest trick in the book. . I cant think that this shower with their yellow chums will keep one single promise. . You fell for their desperation to have some power and now, just like the Lib Dem supporters you have been sold down the river by the biggest Con merchants in the business....The Con-servatives
Who do you reckon should be in charge of our country Mr Ranger? Who will make all the right decisions?
Nice of you to ask.
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Southy for PM
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Condor...for bigest Comedian

southy says...
1:24pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Lone Ranger wrote:
Absolutely priceless and you voters fell for the oldest trick in the book.
.
I cant think that this shower with their yellow chums will keep one single promise.
.
You fell for their desperation to have some power and now, just like the Lib Dem supporters you have been sold down the river by the biggest Con merchants in the business....The Con-servatives
i am not surprise, that they are back peddling on there promises, they also said there be no 20% vat that did not last long has a promise, they also said that we could have the right to sack your mp or councillor dont think this will ever come about now after the good start that they got ie noakes.

Block41row0sfc says...
2:09pm Mon 5 Jul 10

StEmmosfire wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
Absolutely priceless and you voters fell for the oldest trick in the book. . I cant think that this shower with their yellow chums will keep one single promise. . You fell for their desperation to have some power and now, just like the Lib Dem supporters you have been sold down the river by the biggest Con merchants in the business....The Con-servatives
Who do you reckon should be in charge of our country Mr Ranger? Who will make all the right decisions?
Ask your mum

My View from the Hill says...
2:41pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Well well well the Tories backtracking on promises made before an election, there's a surprise.

I wonder what their yellow friend Mr Huhne will make of that, mind you he is probably to busy trying to sort out his shame of a marriage to worry about it.

Conned by the Conservative and Condemned by the Liberals, great start to the coalition.

No increase on VAT, No fluoride in the water, No sleaze, how about no truth, no honesty, no family values, no integrity, no hope for us ordinary members of the public.

You reap what you sow.

Paramjit Bahia says...
3:14pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Not at all surprised considering these were the promises made by well known ruthless Tories and champions of unreliability the Lib-Dems. If people were silly enough to vote on the basis of their well financed glossy publicity rather than voting for parties with credibility then what right have they got to moan now?

RadicalEmu says...
3:32pm Mon 5 Jul 10

"Dental fluorosis occurs because of the excessive intake of fluoride either through fluoride in the water supply, naturally occurring or added to it; or through other sources."
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Just grin and bear it...

jwillie6 says...
4:16pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Isn't it strange, doctors cannot force one person to take a drug, yet the government wants to force everyone to be drugged with fluoride, a prescription drug, against their will and with no medical supervision, no control over how much you consume and no treatment for side effects.
The people have caught on to this fluoridation scam, but there is so much money involved in selling it that governments become corrupt. Too bad.

mooky9 says...
4:19pm Mon 5 Jul 10

My View from the Hill wrote:
Well well well the Tories backtracking on promises made before an election, there's a surprise. I wonder what their yellow friend Mr Huhne will make of that, mind you he is probably to busy trying to sort out his shame of a marriage to worry about it. Conned by the Conservative and Condemned by the Liberals, great start to the coalition. No increase on VAT, No fluoride in the water, No sleaze, how about no truth, no honesty, no family values, no integrity, no hope for us ordinary members of the public. You reap what you sow.
What planet do you live on...? They never promised to stop flouride they commented on it when it was raised but no promises were made. and as for your no truth, no family values, no integrity... Hello pot this is kettle calling. Labour were drowning in sleaze, more interested in empire building then anything else. Conservatives far more pro family - or have you forgotten the 10p decision your "sage" Gordon Brown made!? they have sold this country down the river then left it for others to sort out, you can spin this anyway you want but the fact remains we have to get a grip of things now before the country goes to pot - and labour as it is now couldn't do it, too many knives in eachothers backs.

sph205 says...
4:25pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Think the subs ought to read the intro again.

RadicalEmu says...
4:33pm Mon 5 Jul 10

mooky9 wrote:
My View from the Hill wrote:
Well well well the Tories backtracking on promises made before an election, there's a surprise. I wonder what their yellow friend Mr Huhne will make of that, mind you he is probably to busy trying to sort out his shame of a marriage to worry about it. Conned by the Conservative and Condemned by the Liberals, great start to the coalition. No increase on VAT, No fluoride in the water, No sleaze, how about no truth, no honesty, no family values, no integrity, no hope for us ordinary members of the public. You reap what you sow.
What planet do you live on...? They never promised to stop flouride they commented on it when it was raised but no promises were made. and as for your no truth, no family values, no integrity... Hello pot this is kettle calling. Labour were drowning in sleaze, more interested in empire building then anything else. Conservatives far more pro family - or have you forgotten the 10p decision your "sage" Gordon Brown made!? they have sold this country down the river then left it for others to sort out, you can spin this anyway you want but the fact remains we have to get a grip of things now before the country goes to pot - and labour as it is now couldn't do it, too many knives in eachothers backs.
Er.., actually, privatisation started with the Tories, so they _literally_ sold the country down the river...
.
Anyway, back on topic... Fluoride eh?! How about that?!

chapelsaint says...
5:11pm Mon 5 Jul 10

RadicalEmu wrote:
"Dental fluorosis occurs because of the excessive intake of fluoride either through fluoride in the water supply, naturally occurring or added to it; or through other sources." . Just grin and bear it...
Can't grin-all my teeth have fallen out!

bernard grant says...
5:26pm Mon 5 Jul 10

I pay the water company for my water,which to my knowledge is uncontaminated,if the council wish to contaminate it against my will then they should pay for it,is it an infringement of my rights for an outside body to interefere with something i pay for

My View from the Hill says...
6:57pm Mon 5 Jul 10

mooky9 wrote:
My View from the Hill wrote:
Well well well the Tories backtracking on promises made before an election, there's a surprise. I wonder what their yellow friend Mr Huhne will make of that, mind you he is probably to busy trying to sort out his shame of a marriage to worry about it. Conned by the Conservative and Condemned by the Liberals, great start to the coalition. No increase on VAT, No fluoride in the water, No sleaze, how about no truth, no honesty, no family values, no integrity, no hope for us ordinary members of the public. You reap what you sow.
What planet do you live on...? They never promised to stop flouride they commented on it when it was raised but no promises were made. and as for your no truth, no family values, no integrity... Hello pot this is kettle calling. Labour were drowning in sleaze, more interested in empire building then anything else. Conservatives far more pro family - or have you forgotten the 10p decision your "sage" Gordon Brown made!? they have sold this country down the river then left it for others to sort out, you can spin this anyway you want but the fact remains we have to get a grip of things now before the country goes to pot - and labour as it is now couldn't do it, too many knives in eachothers backs.
I refer you to Mr Huhne who said, I would do everything in my power to stop fluoridation in the water of the people of of Eastleigh should I get elected.

As for no truth, The Tories said before the election we will not increase VAT to 20% I do believe the Con Dems are doing that.

The family man Chris Huhne, who sent out leaflets before the election showing photo's of his wedding day, also photo's of his children, only to reveal that he is in a long term relationship with another women, whilst still married.

Is that good family values?

What about Caroline Noakes, I suppose sleeping with someone else whilst still married and living with her husband show wonderful morales and family values.

How much money were the Tories and Lib Dem MP's coining in compared to Labour MP's.

Duck houses in Gosport, I do believe that MP was a Tory, even Nick Clegg had to pay back over claimed expenses.

By the way, I did not state that I was a Gordon Brown supporter, nor did I say he was my sage.

Just today Tory councillor saying the government will not stop the funding to re-build or renovate 5 schools in Southampton, shame he did not tell Michael Cove that, that has just cost people in Southampton and Hampshire their jobs or the chance of jobs.

And you have the cheek to ask me what planet I live on, where are you living?

thesaint says...
7:10pm Mon 5 Jul 10

no surprise to me,did those people not realise with a general election due they wiould say anything to voters to get their votes.
suckers!

mooky9 says...
9:12pm Mon 5 Jul 10

My View from the Hill wrote:
mooky9 wrote:
My View from the Hill wrote: Well well well the Tories backtracking on promises made before an election, there's a surprise. I wonder what their yellow friend Mr Huhne will make of that, mind you he is probably to busy trying to sort out his shame of a marriage to worry about it. Conned by the Conservative and Condemned by the Liberals, great start to the coalition. No increase on VAT, No fluoride in the water, No sleaze, how about no truth, no honesty, no family values, no integrity, no hope for us ordinary members of the public. You reap what you sow.
What planet do you live on...? They never promised to stop flouride they commented on it when it was raised but no promises were made. and as for your no truth, no family values, no integrity... Hello pot this is kettle calling. Labour were drowning in sleaze, more interested in empire building then anything else. Conservatives far more pro family - or have you forgotten the 10p decision your "sage" Gordon Brown made!? they have sold this country down the river then left it for others to sort out, you can spin this anyway you want but the fact remains we have to get a grip of things now before the country goes to pot - and labour as it is now couldn't do it, too many knives in eachothers backs.
I refer you to Mr Huhne who said, I would do everything in my power to stop fluoridation in the water of the people of of Eastleigh should I get elected. As for no truth, The Tories said before the election we will not increase VAT to 20% I do believe the Con Dems are doing that. The family man Chris Huhne, who sent out leaflets before the election showing photo's of his wedding day, also photo's of his children, only to reveal that he is in a long term relationship with another women, whilst still married. Is that good family values? What about Caroline Noakes, I suppose sleeping with someone else whilst still married and living with her husband show wonderful morales and family values. How much money were the Tories and Lib Dem MP's coining in compared to Labour MP's. Duck houses in Gosport, I do believe that MP was a Tory, even Nick Clegg had to pay back over claimed expenses. By the way, I did not state that I was a Gordon Brown supporter, nor did I say he was my sage. Just today Tory councillor saying the government will not stop the funding to re-build or renovate 5 schools in Southampton, shame he did not tell Michael Cove that, that has just cost people in Southampton and Hampshire their jobs or the chance of jobs. And you have the cheek to ask me what planet I live on, where are you living?
Southampton! And for the record I am against flouridisation completley. We can both quote stories about the respective parties all day long - expenses for example a certain home secretary claiming for ****, a deputy Labour leader who has been fired twice and is one of the biggest criminals in westminster... but I digress. I think they are all as much of a con as each other, what i don't agree with is blaming all this on the current lot when it's clear that all of them have royally screwed us over. Everyone on here seems to be pro labour and it's all the tories/libs fault when it's not.

JimSchultz says...
9:37pm Mon 5 Jul 10

If anyone bothered to actually read the UK York 2000 review McDonahue it focused that so far not a single class A quality study has ever been done. This after 65 years of fluoridation and looking at 3200 studies and all poor quality or worse. So no safety could be proved and any benefit was small and maybe ZERO but proven not large as claimed by dentists. The Chair of the report Professor Shelton even had to write a correction of the false claims of benefit and safety. Such poor quality data proves neither.
The review had shown fluoridtion did increase enamel damage from 15% up to a shocking 48% with a costly 12.5% of kids with teeth so damaged to need repairs. Damage with out informed consent and medication with out control of dose is unethical. Actually very stupid also when ingested benefit has been proven to not exist and even the CDC admitted any benefit is topical. What they did not admit is 1ppm topical has no benefit either but at 1000ppm just maybe but 5000ppm very likely. Sadly much more damage is then caused by the half young kids swallow. So more ugly fluoride toxicity.
Selmer Tn Mayor David Robinson has been trying to get the health services to answer many tough questions but they refuse. He stopped fluoridation until proof of safety and benefit can be provided. Poughkeepsie NY did the same thing and all the commission voted to end fluoridation after the same questions were not answered. Health services only know the talking points and know truthful answers prove them liars.
Fluoridation never was about protecting teeth and the Fluoride Deception shows the documentation of the fraud. Chris Bryson wrote the book after 10 years of research and a treasure trove of secret documents released in 1993. He had worked for the BBC. He has a short video on FAN fluoride Action Network if you care to watch. Your health services are every bit as dishonest as ours as the H1N1 scam proved this past year. The CDc and WHO can not be trusted with your health or anything else. They are only working to receive grants from pharma and a big salary and stock options if they hand them enough riches. After all the hype very few got the shots and thus even fewer got the flue then usual. 90% of those catching what they think the flu is one of over 150 plus flu like diseases which the shot makes more likey to catch by lowering resistance. Canada showed double risk to those getting the seasonal flu shot. Vitamin D is the cheap simple cure to the flu and better teeth also. Scotland is starting to figure it out slowly. No money for big pharma so few push a real cure if too cheap. Do yourself a favor and do high dose D at maybe 5000iu for two months and then get the blood test to see if you need more. This is more true for dark skin and seniors and winter and spring. Mercola.com is excellent for information and watch their new fluoride interview. Real science not government BS.

JimSchultz says...
9:38pm Mon 5 Jul 10

If anyone bothered to actually read the UK York 2000 review McDonahue it focused that so far not a single class A quality study has ever been done. This after 65 years of fluoridation and looking at 3200 studies and all poor quality or worse. So no safety could be proved and any benefit was small and maybe ZERO but proven not large as claimed by dentists. The Chair of the report Professor Shelton even had to write a correction of the false claims of benefit and safety. Such poor quality data proves neither.
The review had shown fluoridtion did increase enamel damage from 15% up to a shocking 48% with a costly 12.5% of kids with teeth so damaged to need repairs. Damage with out informed consent and medication with out control of dose is unethical. Actually very stupid also when ingested benefit has been proven to not exist and even the CDC admitted any benefit is topical. What they did not admit is 1ppm topical has no benefit either but at 1000ppm just maybe but 5000ppm very likely. Sadly much more damage is then caused by the half young kids swallow. So more ugly fluoride toxicity.
Selmer Tn Mayor David Robinson has been trying to get the health services to answer many tough questions but they refuse. He stopped fluoridation until proof of safety and benefit can be provided. Poughkeepsie NY did the same thing and all the commission voted to end fluoridation after the same questions were not answered. Health services only know the talking points and know truthful answers prove them liars.
Fluoridation never was about protecting teeth and the Fluoride Deception shows the documentation of the fraud. Chris Bryson wrote the book after 10 years of research and a treasure trove of secret documents released in 1993. He had worked for the BBC. He has a short video on FAN fluoride Action Network if you care to watch. Your health services are every bit as dishonest as ours as the H1N1 scam proved this past year. The CDc and WHO can not be trusted with your health or anything else. They are only working to receive grants from pharma and a big salary and stock options if they hand them enough riches. After all the hype very few got the shots and thus even fewer got the flue then usual. 90% of those catching what they think the flu is one of over 150 plus flu like diseases which the shot makes more likey to catch by lowering resistance. Canada showed double risk to those getting the seasonal flu shot. Vitamin D is the cheap simple cure to the flu and better teeth also. Scotland is starting to figure it out slowly. No money for big pharma so few push a real cure if too cheap. Do yourself a favor and do high dose D at maybe 5000iu for two months and then get the blood test to see if you need more. This is more true for dark skin and seniors and winter and spring. Mercola.com is excellent for information and watch their new fluoride interview. Real science not government BS.

Polygonia says...
10:01am Tue 6 Jul 10

How many times are the Government going to insist on supporting the minority view on so many topics ?
Until they get voted out ?


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