Judicial review due for fluoride plans for Southampton

Daily Echo: Fluoride row reaches High Court Fluoride row reaches High Court

A LANDMARK court case that will decide the future of a controversial scheme to fluoridate Hampshire tap water was due to start today.

A High Court judge is set to examine whether or not health bosses were right to approve the plans in a bid to improve children’s dental health in Southampton, despite public opposition.

If the legal challenge, which has been brought by city resident Geraldine Milner, is successful, it could mean the scheme – the first in the country to be approved by a health authority rather than an elected council – is stopped.

But South Central Strategic Health Authority, which has set aside £400,000 to fight the judicial review, insists it did everything it was required to by law during a public consultation held before its board gave the plans the green light, nearly two years ago.

Despite Government plans to scrap all SHAs by next spring, it insists it would press ahead with work to see the chemical added to the water supplies of parts of Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Netley and Rownhams, if their defence is successful.

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As revealed in yesterday’s Daily Echo, the leaders of Southampton City and Hampshire County councils, the bodies which will take over responsibility for fluoridation, both say they would call on the Government to stop the SHA introducing it in its “dying days”.

Ahead of the start of the two-day hearing, campaigners were due to stage a demonstration on the steps of London’s Royal Courts of Justice against the NHS body continuing to defend its case.

Stephen Peckham, chairman of Hampshire Against Fluoridation said: “Local anger about the SHA’s decision has grown since 2009. People feel that fluoridation is being imposed on them without their consent or approval.

“If Ms Milner had not taken this action the SHA would have just steam-rolled ahead with a total disregard for the evidence and local opinion.”

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1:21pm Wed 19 Jan 11

Chas O'Bursledon says...

The selfishness of Geraldine Milner beggars belief. My daughters were born in Greater London. They have a couple of fillings each. Both their mother and I have a mouthful of mercury and gold as we were born before floridation of water. She is wanting to condemn children to a life of fillings for no good reason. Floridation is perfectly safe. There is no science to say otherwise.

The consultation was properly conducted and valid. The decision to floridate is sound. One can only hope that Ms Milner loses. Sadly, she will not incur costs. We will on our water rates.
The selfishness of Geraldine Milner beggars belief. My daughters were born in Greater London. They have a couple of fillings each. Both their mother and I have a mouthful of mercury and gold as we were born before floridation of water. She is wanting to condemn children to a life of fillings for no good reason. Floridation is perfectly safe. There is no science to say otherwise. The consultation was properly conducted and valid. The decision to floridate is sound. One can only hope that Ms Milner loses. Sadly, she will not incur costs. We will on our water rates. Chas O'Bursledon

1:53pm Wed 19 Jan 11

Niel says...

"Floridation is perfectly safe."

I don't think so, too much fluorine is toxic, and not just to human's. The cost of cleaning up tap water contaminated with it for hospital use and industrial processing is huge, typically South Central Strategic Health Authority ignore those issues and costs.

As for setting aside 400K to fight a review, perhaps the gov't are right to try and get rid of wasteful layers of management, who's value add is invariably negative... Yes I have direct experience of this within the NHS.

Education and better diet are what stops the need for fillings, my son who lives in a flouride free area has NO fillings, brought up on poor diet I have quite a few, adding toxins to water in the HOPE of preventing tooth decay is like believing in the tooth fairy, but a lot more dangerous!
"Floridation is perfectly safe." I don't think so, too much fluorine is toxic, and not just to human's. The cost of cleaning up tap water contaminated with it for hospital use and industrial processing is huge, typically South Central Strategic Health Authority ignore those issues and costs. As for setting aside 400K to fight a review, perhaps the gov't are right to try and get rid of wasteful layers of management, who's value add is invariably negative... Yes I have direct experience of this within the NHS. Education and better diet are what stops the need for fillings, my son who lives in a flouride free area has NO fillings, brought up on poor diet I have quite a few, adding toxins to water in the HOPE of preventing tooth decay is like believing in the tooth fairy, but a lot more dangerous! Niel

2:48pm Wed 19 Jan 11

Linesman says...

If flouride is unsafe, and produces all of the ills described by the protesters, the majority of whom have no scientific background, wouldn't that show up in medical statistics from the Midlands, where flouride has been added to the water for more than 40 years?

Mercury is also a poison - more deadly than flouride - yet that was used in dental fillings for donkey's years. Why didn't it wipe out masses of the population?

Because it was such a small percentage of the mix, that it was not harmful, but was at a level that made the mix efficient - just like the was flouride would be added to water.

Strange as it may seem, there are some areas where flouride appears naturally in the water, and at a higher level than is proposed for this area.
If flouride is unsafe, and produces all of the ills described by the protesters, the majority of whom have no scientific background, wouldn't that show up in medical statistics from the Midlands, where flouride has been added to the water for more than 40 years? Mercury is also a poison - more deadly than flouride - yet that was used in dental fillings for donkey's years. Why didn't it wipe out masses of the population? Because it was such a small percentage of the mix, that it was not harmful, but was at a level that made the mix efficient - just like the was flouride would be added to water. Strange as it may seem, there are some areas where flouride appears naturally in the water, and at a higher level than is proposed for this area. Linesman

4:02pm Wed 19 Jan 11

geoff51 says...

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
The selfishness of Geraldine Milner beggars belief. My daughters were born in Greater London. They have a couple of fillings each. Both their mother and I have a mouthful of mercury and gold as we were born before floridation of water. She is wanting to condemn children to a life of fillings for no good reason. Floridation is perfectly safe. There is no science to say otherwise. The consultation was properly conducted and valid. The decision to floridate is sound. One can only hope that Ms Milner loses. Sadly, she will not incur costs. We will on our water rates.
Dont expect the state to provide all the answers to your problems.
Buy your children good toothbrushes, floride toothpaste and teach them how to clean their teeth properly
Simple!
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: The selfishness of Geraldine Milner beggars belief. My daughters were born in Greater London. They have a couple of fillings each. Both their mother and I have a mouthful of mercury and gold as we were born before floridation of water. She is wanting to condemn children to a life of fillings for no good reason. Floridation is perfectly safe. There is no science to say otherwise. The consultation was properly conducted and valid. The decision to floridate is sound. One can only hope that Ms Milner loses. Sadly, she will not incur costs. We will on our water rates.[/p][/quote]Dont expect the state to provide all the answers to your problems. Buy your children good toothbrushes, floride toothpaste and teach them how to clean their teeth properly Simple! geoff51

5:30pm Wed 19 Jan 11

mummsie says...

geoff51 wrote:
Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
The selfishness of Geraldine Milner beggars belief. My daughters were born in Greater London. They have a couple of fillings each. Both their mother and I have a mouthful of mercury and gold as we were born before floridation of water. She is wanting to condemn children to a life of fillings for no good reason. Floridation is perfectly safe. There is no science to say otherwise. The consultation was properly conducted and valid. The decision to floridate is sound. One can only hope that Ms Milner loses. Sadly, she will not incur costs. We will on our water rates.
Dont expect the state to provide all the answers to your problems.
Buy your children good toothbrushes, floride toothpaste and teach them how to clean their teeth properly
Simple!
Well said Geoff51 ! Couldn't have said it better myself (even with a mouth full of Mercury and Gold !
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: The selfishness of Geraldine Milner beggars belief. My daughters were born in Greater London. They have a couple of fillings each. Both their mother and I have a mouthful of mercury and gold as we were born before floridation of water. She is wanting to condemn children to a life of fillings for no good reason. Floridation is perfectly safe. There is no science to say otherwise. The consultation was properly conducted and valid. The decision to floridate is sound. One can only hope that Ms Milner loses. Sadly, she will not incur costs. We will on our water rates.[/p][/quote]Dont expect the state to provide all the answers to your problems. Buy your children good toothbrushes, floride toothpaste and teach them how to clean their teeth properly Simple![/p][/quote]Well said Geoff51 ! Couldn't have said it better myself (even with a mouth full of Mercury and Gold ! mummsie

7:41pm Thu 20 Jan 11

lonsoz says...

mummsie wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Chas O'Bursledon wrote: The selfishness of Geraldine Milner beggars belief. My daughters were born in Greater London. They have a couple of fillings each. Both their mother and I have a mouthful of mercury and gold as we were born before floridation of water. She is wanting to condemn children to a life of fillings for no good reason. Floridation is perfectly safe. There is no science to say otherwise. The consultation was properly conducted and valid. The decision to floridate is sound. One can only hope that Ms Milner loses. Sadly, she will not incur costs. We will on our water rates.
Dont expect the state to provide all the answers to your problems. Buy your children good toothbrushes, floride toothpaste and teach them how to clean their teeth properly Simple!
Well said Geoff51 ! Couldn't have said it better myself (even with a mouth full of Mercury and Gold !
why dont you ignorant people research things before you write your utter garbage. There are certainly health consequences to this.

1) Fluoride is known to cause dental fluorosis, a defect of the tooth enamel caused by fluoride’s interference with developing teeth. Its visible signs are mottled or yellowed teeth. Nearly 30% of children drinking fluoridated water suffer from dental fluorosis on two or more teeth (Hileman, 1988).

2) Fluoride is associated with Alzheimer’s disease and other forms of dementia. Fluoride enters the brain and enables aluminum to cross the blood-brain barrier, resulting in increased risk for these diseases. Fluoride has also been associated with low IQ and mental retardation in children (Hileman, 1988).

3) Fluoride can cause a crippling bone disease called skeletal fluorosis. In more mild forms, symptoms of this disease include chronic joint pain, similar to the symptoms of arthritis. Arthritis has now reached near epidemic levels in the United States, and the connection to fluoridated water should be considered.

4) Fluoride depresses the activity of the human thyroid gland and has been commonly used as an effective treatment for patients with overactive thyroids. Fluoride may depress the activity of the healthy thyroid, as well, resulting in an underactive thyroid, a common cause of obesity. More than 20 million people in the United States receive treatment for thyroid problems.

5) Fluoride disrupts the activity of normally functioning hormones. Fluoride can reduce levels of melatonin, the sleep hormone, in the body, causing chronic insomnia (Hileman, 1988).
Most European countries have now rejected the process of water fluoridation. Their children’s teeth have not suffered from this rejection. The cost/benefit ratio of fluoridated water no longer warrants the presence of fluoride in drinking water.

if your children need fillings perhaps you should a) brush their teeth properly b)consult your dentist c) not spoil them with sweets :)
[quote][p][bold]mummsie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: The selfishness of Geraldine Milner beggars belief. My daughters were born in Greater London. They have a couple of fillings each. Both their mother and I have a mouthful of mercury and gold as we were born before floridation of water. She is wanting to condemn children to a life of fillings for no good reason. Floridation is perfectly safe. There is no science to say otherwise. The consultation was properly conducted and valid. The decision to floridate is sound. One can only hope that Ms Milner loses. Sadly, she will not incur costs. We will on our water rates.[/p][/quote]Dont expect the state to provide all the answers to your problems. Buy your children good toothbrushes, floride toothpaste and teach them how to clean their teeth properly Simple![/p][/quote]Well said Geoff51 ! Couldn't have said it better myself (even with a mouth full of Mercury and Gold ![/p][/quote]why dont you ignorant people research things before you write your utter garbage. There are certainly health consequences to this. 1) Fluoride is known to cause dental fluorosis, a defect of the tooth enamel caused by fluoride’s interference with developing teeth. Its visible signs are mottled or yellowed teeth. Nearly 30% of children drinking fluoridated water suffer from dental fluorosis on two or more teeth (Hileman, 1988). 2) Fluoride is associated with Alzheimer’s disease and other forms of dementia. Fluoride enters the brain and enables aluminum to cross the blood-brain barrier, resulting in increased risk for these diseases. Fluoride has also been associated with low IQ and mental retardation in children (Hileman, 1988). 3) Fluoride can cause a crippling bone disease called skeletal fluorosis. In more mild forms, symptoms of this disease include chronic joint pain, similar to the symptoms of arthritis. Arthritis has now reached near epidemic levels in the United States, and the connection to fluoridated water should be considered. 4) Fluoride depresses the activity of the human thyroid gland and has been commonly used as an effective treatment for patients with overactive thyroids. Fluoride may depress the activity of the healthy thyroid, as well, resulting in an underactive thyroid, a common cause of obesity. More than 20 million people in the United States receive treatment for thyroid problems. 5) Fluoride disrupts the activity of normally functioning hormones. Fluoride can reduce levels of melatonin, the sleep hormone, in the body, causing chronic insomnia (Hileman, 1988). Most European countries have now rejected the process of water fluoridation. Their children’s teeth have not suffered from this rejection. The cost/benefit ratio of fluoridated water no longer warrants the presence of fluoride in drinking water. if your children need fillings perhaps you should a) brush their teeth properly b)consult your dentist c) not spoil them with sweets :) lonsoz

12:53am Fri 21 Jan 11

Calli says...

Chas, Linesman and mummsie please inform yourselves of the problem with fluoride. We are getting our information from good quality research that is not widely publicised because the PCT do not wish to know. Research from scientists around the globe. Go to October Bookshop in Portswood and get a copy of the latest book. In it you will find all the evidence needed to realise this practice is a bad idea. Don't just assume because these people are in positions of power they know whats good for you. Do you remember the Thalidomide drug and the terrible harm it did. Remember the cover up over asbestos? Lead in paint? In America within the last week they have announced that the level of fluoride they put in water is to be dropped to 00.07 ppm from a previous approved range of 00.07 - 1.4 ppm. The reason? The unsightly damage fluorosis is doing to 41% of 12 - 15 year olds teeth. They have also agreed to withdraw the food fumigant sulphyl fluoride because it is adding to the amount of fluoride everybody is ingesting. Now doesn't that tell you something? The SHA wants to 'top up' Southamptons naturally occurring fluoride level of 00.08 to 1.00ppm. This is way past the amount considered as cosmetically damaging and incidentally the 'top up' will be with Hexafluorosillic Acid which is the waste product of the Phosphate fertilizer industry! This stuff is on the poisons list and it is against the law to dump it. Don't believe me? Look it up. Bottom line for me is that I do not agree with mass medication. If I had to take medicine for a condition I would not expect anyone else to have to take it. If you still have problems believing what I am saying I am willing to meet you and talk it through and show you the evidence after all I know of enough Dentists who know the truth. Please investigate this thoroughly before belittling the other side.
Chas, Linesman and mummsie please inform yourselves of the problem with fluoride. We are getting our information from good quality research that is not widely publicised because the PCT do not wish to know. Research from scientists around the globe. Go to October Bookshop in Portswood and get a copy of the latest book. In it you will find all the evidence needed to realise this practice is a bad idea. Don't just assume because these people are in positions of power they know whats good for you. Do you remember the Thalidomide drug and the terrible harm it did. Remember the cover up over asbestos? Lead in paint? In America within the last week they have announced that the level of fluoride they put in water is to be dropped to 00.07 ppm from a previous approved range of 00.07 - 1.4 ppm. The reason? The unsightly damage fluorosis is doing to 41% of 12 - 15 year olds teeth. They have also agreed to withdraw the food fumigant sulphyl fluoride because it is adding to the amount of fluoride everybody is ingesting. Now doesn't that tell you something? The SHA wants to 'top up' Southamptons naturally occurring fluoride level of 00.08 to 1.00ppm. This is way past the amount considered as cosmetically damaging and incidentally the 'top up' will be with Hexafluorosillic Acid which is the waste product of the Phosphate fertilizer industry! This stuff is on the poisons list and it is against the law to dump it. Don't believe me? Look it up. Bottom line for me is that I do not agree with mass medication. If I had to take medicine for a condition I would not expect anyone else to have to take it. If you still have problems believing what I am saying I am willing to meet you and talk it through and show you the evidence after all I know of enough Dentists who know the truth. Please investigate this thoroughly before belittling the other side. Calli

4:22pm Sat 22 Jan 11

Pete H Smith says...

The BBC Politics Show has Julian Lewis debating the issue of flouride with the Chairman of the Hampshire Dental Committee on Sunday 23rd at 12:30
The BBC Politics Show has Julian Lewis debating the issue of flouride with the Chairman of the Hampshire Dental Committee on Sunday 23rd at 12:30 Pete H Smith

4:30pm Sat 22 Jan 11

Mary Williams says...

It is wrong to assume that those areas in the country with added fluoride are free from side effects -which could include arthritis,cancers,th
yroid problems, obesity and depression -not enough research has been done. Fluoride is an enzyme inhibitor and affects many body functions. There are too many top scientists against fluoridation-so how can we possibly advocate adding it to our water unless we are 100% sure of its safety. The bottom line is the morality of medicating water without knowing each persons dose and doing it against a persons will. May I congratulate Gerri Milner on her brave stance against the deplorable actions of the SHA and the disgusting waste of tax payers money.
It is wrong to assume that those areas in the country with added fluoride are free from side effects -which could include arthritis,cancers,th yroid problems, obesity and depression -not enough research has been done. Fluoride is an enzyme inhibitor and affects many body functions. There are too many top scientists against fluoridation-so how can we possibly advocate adding it to our water unless we are 100% sure of its safety. The bottom line is the morality of medicating water without knowing each persons dose and doing it against a persons will. May I congratulate Gerri Milner on her brave stance against the deplorable actions of the SHA and the disgusting waste of tax payers money. Mary Williams

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