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Closure fears for Southampton Ford factory
12:58pm Wednesday 24th October 2012 in News
Closure fears for Southampton Ford factory
Ford could be set to announce the closure of its Southampton plant tomorrow, it has been reported.
The Southampton factory, which employs 600 workers, is famous for making the iconic Transit van.
Ford today announced it had started a consultation in Belgium on a plan to close its Genk Plant and to cease vehicle production by the end of 2014.
It added adding that the closure would entail a "reduction of approximately 4,300 positions".
Ford of Europe's chief executive Stephen Odell added: "The proposed restructuring of our European manufacturing operations is a fundamental part of our plan to strengthen Ford's business in Europe."
Meanwhile the plant's local MP, Caroline Nokes, said she was urgently trying to get answers from Ford's management.
She said: “This would be incredibly bad news for Swaythling in particular but also Southampton and the wider region.
“There are 500 jobs at the plant, but this would also be horrendous news for people in the supply chain.
“Southampton has been the home of the Transit for many years, and it would be an absolute tragedy when the motor sector is doing well in other parts of the country if the Ford plant was to close.”
Eastleigh MP Chris Huhne added: “I would be appalled if it was to close, and it would entirely go against the assurance we had from senior Ford management at the time of the last restructure.”
The speculation over the plant's future follows a fall in European sales.
A Ford spokeswoman said there would be further announcements tomorrow about the firm’s European restructuring plans.
But she declined to comment on the future of the Southampton plant, however Sky News were reporting that an annoucnement tomorrow would see the plant close.
The US carmaker last month confirmed staff at the Southampton factory will be offered voluntary redundancy under plans to shed “several hundred” jobs across Europe.
The giant car and van manufacturer is looking to slash positions across the continent and reduce spending on agency workers.
The workforce of around 500 salaried workers at Southampton’s Swaythling plant were due to be offered voluntary “separations” along with thousands of other staff around the country employed by the firm.
Union chiefs have already warned that managerial and engineering jobs are under threat around the country.
The Swaythling plant last year produced 28,000 short and medium wheel base Transit vehicles and was due to shortly become the lead European plant for the chassis cab variants of the next model Transit.
About half the workforce – some 500 jobs – were culled at the Swaythling factory three years ago.
The firm is conducting three job cutting programmes in Germany, the UK and the rest of Europe.
It said it wanted to adapt production to shrinking demand.
The second biggest car maker in the US is expected to lose more than $1billion in Europe this year.
Its car sales have plunged 12 per cent in Europe in the year to August, according to an industry group, and by 29 per cent in August.
Ford has other UK operations at Dagenham, Bridgend and a jointm venture at Halewood.
Trade union representatives have been called to a meeting at its Basildon headquarters tomorrow morning, according to Unite, the union.
Denham calls for Government to step in
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Comments(101)
MGRA
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1:07pm Wed 24 Oct 12
hulla baloo
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1:10pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Over the Edge
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1:12pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
mellowdude
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1:16pm Wed 24 Oct 12
mack chinnon
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1:17pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
Hdg end mo
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1:18pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Huey
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1:34pm Wed 24 Oct 12
hulla baloo
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1:34pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Hdg end mo wrote:Is there a shortage of globules? was not aware of that.
There's no such thing as job for life anymore most of the ford employees have been working there for many years and due to there age will find it difficulty to find new employment however the rumours of closure have been circulating for a number of years if it's true good luck to all. last major organisation standing. Ford itself as been struggling worldwide against globule recession and poor sales
Hdg end mo
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1:42pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Aninterestedparty
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1:43pm Wed 24 Oct 12
arthur dalyrimple
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1:57pm Wed 24 Oct 12
HillsidePaul
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1:59pm Wed 24 Oct 12
mack chinnon wrote:Might cause some delays on the M27.
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
peenut81
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2:01pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Sure there's lots of accountants, bankers and legal people going to make money out of this as well as for the developer who gets the biggest kick back in first on the site.
Hulla ballo, you are an idiot.
modusoper
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2:01pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Shoong
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2:04pm Wed 24 Oct 12
I doubt anyone will know the difference between or Turkish van or Southampton made one.
hulla baloo
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2:05pm Wed 24 Oct 12
modusoper wrote:Go and live in a tent in the forest, seems the solitude you seek will be there.
This if true will be great news. This place needs to close, it causes so much grief to local residents, and the social club has been the bane of residents for years. Glad to see the back of the place. Just wish the airport would close with it!!!
Horse’s mouth
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2:06pm Wed 24 Oct 12
arthur dalyrimple wrote:How will it jump over the M27?
heard the airport will be extended ,very bad news for mansbridge residents.
Bowilks
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2:13pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Torchie1
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2:16pm Wed 24 Oct 12
peenut81 wrote:Every cloud has a silver lining.
Another example of the private sector disproving the only case it has in its defence- job creation.
Sure there's lots of accountants, bankers and legal people going to make money out of this as well as for the developer who gets the biggest kick back in first on the site.
Hulla ballo, you are an idiot.
hulla baloo
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2:23pm Wed 24 Oct 12
peenut81 wrote:Pray, tell me why you come to that conclusion of me being an idiot, maybe because my opinion does not agree with yours?
Another example of the private sector disproving the only case it has in its defence- job creation.
Sure there's lots of accountants, bankers and legal people going to make money out of this as well as for the developer who gets the biggest kick back in first on the site.
Hulla ballo, you are an idiot.
Also, if you want to throw insults, spell the name correctly.
acid drop
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2:24pm Wed 24 Oct 12
modusoper wrote:If you dont like living near fords or the airport you could always move, It's not that difficult
This if true will be great news. This place needs to close, it causes so much grief to local residents, and the social club has been the bane of residents for years. Glad to see the back of the place. Just wish the airport would close with it!!!
southy
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2:28pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
Stillness
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2:38pm Wed 24 Oct 12
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
southy
says...
2:44pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
arthur dalyrimple
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2:44pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Horse’s mouth wrote:new runway planned i heard for the city hop jets.due to the local flood risk,houses wont be built there.
arthur dalyrimple wrote:How will it jump over the M27?
heard the airport will be extended ,very bad news for mansbridge residents.
arthur dalyrimple
says...
2:44pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Horse’s mouth wrote:new runway planned i heard for the city hop jets.due to the local flood risk,houses wont be built there.
arthur dalyrimple wrote:How will it jump over the M27?
heard the airport will be extended ,very bad news for mansbridge residents.
arthur dalyrimple
says...
2:44pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Horse’s mouth wrote:new runway planned i heard for the city hop jets.due to the local flood risk,houses wont be built there.
arthur dalyrimple wrote:How will it jump over the M27?
heard the airport will be extended ,very bad news for mansbridge residents.
Stillness
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2:53pm Wed 24 Oct 12
southy wrote:They are after nationalizing the banks in the hope that the government will be less corrupt than the bankers. Best of luck with that one.
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
Independent Thought
says...
2:54pm Wed 24 Oct 12
HillsidePaul wrote:Runway over the motorway. They've done it at Schipol Airport in Holland.
mack chinnon wrote:Might cause some delays on the M27.
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
Cyber__Fug
says...
3:04pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Stillness wrote:...and you could have predicted exactly whos fault it was ! Nothing to do with the Unions trying to hold the country to ransom and the manufacturers moved production to a workforce that "worked" instead of strike ???
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
southy
says...
3:22pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Cyber__Fug wrote:So its holding the country to ramson to save jobs and working conditions.
Stillness wrote:...and you could have predicted exactly whos fault it was ! Nothing to do with the Unions trying to hold the country to ransom and the manufacturers moved production to a workforce that "worked" instead of strike ???
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
The economy relys on people working and getting a reasonable wage and reasonable hours.
loss jobs or take cuts or made to work longer hours and theres only 1 way the economy is going down wards in to a deeper slump.
And you will be moaning when it finally effects you.
Time to nationalise the Ford Transit Factory, and let see how quick Fords would want to move out
News Fanatic
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3:26pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Bowilks wrote:This is what the Tories meant by "we are going to rebalance the economy.'' It's all imports and no exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Shoong
says...
3:29pm Wed 24 Oct 12
southy wrote:Thinking that something happening in Iceland can be applied to our country is complete folly, naive at best. Must do better.
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
In 2000 there was a merger of all the left parties to form the Social Democratic Alliance. So Iceland isn't becoming Socialist, it's been Socialist but surprise, surprise, they couldn't see past the end of their noses and it fell apart. Iceland is a perfect example of how Socialists cannot handle an economy.
bazzeroz
says...
3:34pm Wed 24 Oct 12
hulla baloo
says...
3:40pm Wed 24 Oct 12
southy wrote:so they did not hold to ransom and did save jobs? is the report wrong?
Cyber__Fug wrote:So its holding the country to ramson to save jobs and working conditions.
Stillness wrote:...and you could have predicted exactly whos fault it was ! Nothing to do with the Unions trying to hold the country to ransom and the manufacturers moved production to a workforce that "worked" instead of strike ???
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
The economy relys on people working and getting a reasonable wage and reasonable hours.
loss jobs or take cuts or made to work longer hours and theres only 1 way the economy is going down wards in to a deeper slump.
And you will be moaning when it finally effects you.
Time to nationalise the Ford Transit Factory, and let see how quick Fords would want to move out
Nationalise Ford Transit factory? As far as I am aware that is owned by Fords, and American company. How do you propose to nationalise that?
Over the Edge
says...
3:42pm Wed 24 Oct 12
HillsidePaul wrote:I was thinking that,,,,mind you the delays would be probably no more than rush hour
mack chinnon wrote:Might cause some delays on the M27.
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
southy
says...
3:42pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Shoong wrote:Funy that because of they let the Capitalist here in the UK and USA have a say on there finance and then came the deregulation of finance that cause there crash, That merger of the Left have only had a say in policy matters after the big Icelandic finance crash caused though the Capitalist, just because they formed in 2000, do not mean that had real say what happen in there country, that came after they manage to gain control of the there Government.
southy wrote:Thinking that something happening in Iceland can be applied to our country is complete folly, naive at best. Must do better.
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
In 2000 there was a merger of all the left parties to form the Social Democratic Alliance. So Iceland isn't becoming Socialist, it's been Socialist but surprise, surprise, they couldn't see past the end of their noses and it fell apart. Iceland is a perfect example of how Socialists cannot handle an economy.
roofspace
says...
4:02pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Ford and every other big company lie through their teeth, always have done and will always do so.
When I worked there we settled for a 3% rise as we were told one week that they would be making a loss and there might have to be lay-off's just after we settled they announced profits of 26,000,000. They said the same thing the following year and we being gullible believed them again. After we agreed a minimal rise they promptly announced an increase of profits to 126,000,000.
Shoong
says...
4:04pm Wed 24 Oct 12
southy wrote:Who is 'the Capitalist'?
Shoong wrote:Funy that because of they let the Capitalist here in the UK and USA have a say on there finance and then came the deregulation of finance that cause there crash, That merger of the Left have only had a say in policy matters after the big Icelandic finance crash caused though the Capitalist, just because they formed in 2000, do not mean that had real say what happen in there country, that came after they manage to gain control of the there Government.
southy wrote:Thinking that something happening in Iceland can be applied to our country is complete folly, naive at best. Must do better.
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
In 2000 there was a merger of all the left parties to form the Social Democratic Alliance. So Iceland isn't becoming Socialist, it's been Socialist but surprise, surprise, they couldn't see past the end of their noses and it fell apart. Iceland is a perfect example of how Socialists cannot handle an economy.
Yep, they managed to get in - after forming a coalition - that's how popular they were!
Torchie1
says...
4:06pm Wed 24 Oct 12
roofspace wrote:If you weren't happy with it why did you stay at Fords?
!% screwing the other 99% and blaming the 99% and the Raving Right sycophants writing to say it is all the workers fault. I don't remember any workers deciding company policy and pocketing wads of cash from share dividends, gold plated pensions, golden hello's & golden goodbye's. I do remember them earning it for the 1% though.
Ford and every other big company lie through their teeth, always have done and will always do so.
When I worked there we settled for a 3% rise as we were told one week that they would be making a loss and there might have to be lay-off's just after we settled they announced profits of 26,000,000. They said the same thing the following year and we being gullible believed them again. After we agreed a minimal rise they promptly announced an increase of profits to 126,000,000.
Over the Edge
says...
4:07pm Wed 24 Oct 12
usiness-20054924#TWE
ET302777
southy
says...
4:09pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Shoong wrote:they are that popular now that they are changing there economics and political policy removing all that is right wing, and replacing it with left wing, and now there economy is growing, unemployment is coming down, there public services are getting better, homless is going down, and there is less poverity, even the crime rate is falling.
southy wrote:Who is 'the Capitalist'?
Shoong wrote:Funy that because of they let the Capitalist here in the UK and USA have a say on there finance and then came the deregulation of finance that cause there crash, That merger of the Left have only had a say in policy matters after the big Icelandic finance crash caused though the Capitalist, just because they formed in 2000, do not mean that had real say what happen in there country, that came after they manage to gain control of the there Government.
southy wrote:Thinking that something happening in Iceland can be applied to our country is complete folly, naive at best. Must do better.
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
In 2000 there was a merger of all the left parties to form the Social Democratic Alliance. So Iceland isn't becoming Socialist, it's been Socialist but surprise, surprise, they couldn't see past the end of their noses and it fell apart. Iceland is a perfect example of how Socialists cannot handle an economy.
Yep, they managed to get in - after forming a coalition - that's how popular they were!
George4th
says...
4:38pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Bowilks wrote:All the ones you mentioned were heavily Unionised. The Unions fought tooth and nail to hold onto outdated working practices and overmanning - they strangled investment and
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
modernisation at souce.
Result? Southampton with no major businesses!
Limplarry
says...
4:55pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Nicole23
says...
5:13pm Wed 24 Oct 12
modusoper wrote:Yes, all the local residents who have worked or still work there must really resent the place having supported their families and paid their bills. Clown.
This if true will be great news. This place needs to close, it causes so much grief to local residents, and the social club has been the bane of residents for years. Glad to see the back of the place. Just wish the airport would close with it!!!
Gainer T Gopher
says...
5:34pm Wed 24 Oct 12
That will show them at head office....
Linesman
says...
5:34pm Wed 24 Oct 12
hulla baloo wrote:Of course, it has nothing to do with the incompetence of the government's economic policies that has seen a double-dip recession.
Sorry for the workers, but they only have those short sighted and out dated dinosaurs of union leaders ( muppets) to blame.
Cameron thinks that the good times are just around the corner because of good results in the last quarter, but it needs more than one good quarter to get us out of the mire they have got the country in.
Linesman
says...
5:36pm Wed 24 Oct 12
mack chinnon wrote:Blocking off the M27?
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
You must be part of Cameron's policy planning committee. It is bound to cause a U-Turn - on the M27.
Linesman
says...
5:40pm Wed 24 Oct 12
hulla baloo wrote:Because, like Cameron, you 'shoot from the hip' with your comments.
peenut81 wrote:Pray, tell me why you come to that conclusion of me being an idiot, maybe because my opinion does not agree with yours?
Another example of the private sector disproving the only case it has in its defence- job creation.
Sure there's lots of accountants, bankers and legal people going to make money out of this as well as for the developer who gets the biggest kick back in first on the site.
Hulla ballo, you are an idiot.
Also, if you want to throw insults, spell the name correctly.
If you gave a little thought (your capacity?) before making the comments, you may realise that most of them are, like Cameron's, totally flawed and end up with a U-Turn.
Pomerol
says...
5:42pm Wed 24 Oct 12
modusoper wrote:What a utterly bizzare thing to say. The employees pay tax, council tax and national insurance. They CONTRIBUTE to the local ecomony.
This if true will be great news. This place needs to close, it causes so much grief to local residents, and the social club has been the bane of residents for years. Glad to see the back of the place. Just wish the airport would close with it!!!
Now they will be costing the tax payers in benefits.
Linesman
says...
5:45pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Shoong wrote:Bit like the Tories.
southy wrote:Who is 'the Capitalist'?
Shoong wrote:Funy that because of they let the Capitalist here in the UK and USA have a say on there finance and then came the deregulation of finance that cause there crash, That merger of the Left have only had a say in policy matters after the big Icelandic finance crash caused though the Capitalist, just because they formed in 2000, do not mean that had real say what happen in there country, that came after they manage to gain control of the there Government.
southy wrote:Thinking that something happening in Iceland can be applied to our country is complete folly, naive at best. Must do better.
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
In 2000 there was a merger of all the left parties to form the Social Democratic Alliance. So Iceland isn't becoming Socialist, it's been Socialist but surprise, surprise, they couldn't see past the end of their noses and it fell apart. Iceland is a perfect example of how Socialists cannot handle an economy.
Yep, they managed to get in - after forming a coalition - that's how popular they were!
George4th
says...
5:53pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Linesman wrote:"Of course, it has nothing to do with the incompetence of the government's economic policies that has seen a double-dip recession."
hulla baloo wrote:Of course, it has nothing to do with the incompetence of the government's economic policies that has seen a double-dip recession.
Sorry for the workers, but they only have those short sighted and out dated dinosaurs of union leaders ( muppets) to blame.
Cameron thinks that the good times are just around the corner because of good results in the last quarter, but it needs more than one good quarter to get us out of the mire they have got the country in.
NO! It has more to do with outdated Union practices and the economic mess the Labour government left behind with the mega high Deficit/Debt - the biggest ever seen in the UK!
"Spend! Spend! Spend!" Labour Party Motto
"Spend Spend Spend!" Trade Union Motto
>
"Cameron thinks that the good times are just around the corner because of good results in the last quarter, but it needs more than one good quarter to get us out of the mire they have got the country in."
Sounds like you're getting worried!
What will you say when Cameron is proved right?!
Labour got in under Wilson, Labour in under Blair. Result in both cases? Massive Debt and a visit to thye door of the IMF!!!
What worries me is that there are people out there who want Labour to be knocking on the door of the IMF for a 3rd time!!
S Pance
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6:05pm Wed 24 Oct 12
In Turkey you have workers doing the same job for £15k and are willing to do different tasks as and when the company requires.
Which workforce would you sack?
The only reason Southampton is in this position is the historical greed on the unions there.
aldermoorboy
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6:21pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Good example to the young?
Sad Labour/Union Leaders, bad Labour/Union Leaders.
Linesman take the same.
DBTM
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6:33pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Linesman wrote:Have you never heard of that magical trick that allows vehicles to cross a road, looking like they're floating in the air?
mack chinnon wrote:Blocking off the M27?
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
You must be part of Cameron's policy planning committee. It is bound to cause a U-Turn - on the M27.
It's called a bridge...
Frank28
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6:36pm Wed 24 Oct 12
andyfidler1966
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6:42pm Wed 24 Oct 12
andyfidler1966
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6:46pm Wed 24 Oct 12
DBTM wrote:The entire airport would need to be raised. Alternatively they could install a catapult at the north end to launch planes over the motorway embankment.
Linesman wrote:Have you never heard of that magical trick that allows vehicles to cross a road, looking like they're floating in the air?
mack chinnon wrote:Blocking off the M27?
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
You must be part of Cameron's policy planning committee. It is bound to cause a U-Turn - on the M27.
It's called a bridge...
Fatty x Ford Worker
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6:48pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Fatty x Ford Worker
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6:51pm Wed 24 Oct 12
S Pance wrote:Dont forget the Brussel Spourts can switch to another model re Chassis Cab or the cheap option will be a switch to the Turkey Boys!
As I have said before, In Southampton you have workers on £35k who do nothing all day but fit wheel nuts and refuse to undertake any other functions under union "rules".
In Turkey you have workers doing the same job for £15k and are willing to do different tasks as and when the company requires.
Which workforce would you sack?
The only reason Southampton is in this position is the historical greed on the unions there.
redsnapper
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6:58pm Wed 24 Oct 12
modusoper wrote:You bar steward!!
This if true will be great news. This place needs to close, it causes so much grief to local residents, and the social club has been the bane of residents for years. Glad to see the back of the place. Just wish the airport would close with it!!!
Just another selfish south england nimby who only cares for him/herself.
Probably a council jobsworth!
Or a skate.
Southampton boy
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7:03pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Fatty x Ford Worker
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7:05pm Wed 24 Oct 12
hulla baloo wrote:KNOCK IT DOWN AND BUILD A SPEEDWAY TRACK AND A @rse SKATTY RINK!
Hdg end mo wrote:Is there a shortage of globules? was not aware of that.
There's no such thing as job for life anymore most of the ford employees have been working there for many years and due to there age will find it difficulty to find new employment however the rumours of closure have been circulating for a number of years if it's true good luck to all. last major organisation standing. Ford itself as been struggling worldwide against globule recession and poor sales
Rockhopper
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7:06pm Wed 24 Oct 12
sotonbev
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7:15pm Wed 24 Oct 12
acid drop wrote:What a **** responce, your saying that your pleased that hundreds of people are going to lose thier jobs, possibly homes and struggle to get another job, moron.
modusoper wrote:If you dont like living near fords or the airport you could always move, It's not that difficult
This if true will be great news. This place needs to close, it causes so much grief to local residents, and the social club has been the bane of residents for years. Glad to see the back of the place. Just wish the airport would close with it!!!
Linesman
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7:19pm Wed 24 Oct 12
aldermoorboy wrote:I await the outcome on that, but whatever that may be, it will not have the national effect that Cameron's promise that the NHS would be safe in his hands will have.
Linesman, what do you think of your Labour misleading ( to be kind to them ) councillors.
Good example to the young?
Sad Labour/Union Leaders, bad Labour/Union Leaders.
Linesman take the same.
It will not have the devastating effect on the country's future that the tuition fees will have.
Certainly not as devious and at variance with the truth as Cameron's claim that he would look after our troops then making many of them redundant on returning from Afghanistan and expecting the country's defence capabilities to be carried out by Reservists.
How many of those troops being made redundant are capable or even suitable to cover the civilian jobs of those reservists being used to replace them?
Do you consider that to be a good example to the young?
Linesman
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7:26pm Wed 24 Oct 12
DBTM wrote:So you want a runway over the M27.
Linesman wrote:Have you never heard of that magical trick that allows vehicles to cross a road, looking like they're floating in the air?
mack chinnon wrote:Blocking off the M27?
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
You must be part of Cameron's policy planning committee. It is bound to cause a U-Turn - on the M27.
It's called a bridge...
I can't see that being passed without opposition from residents and safety experts.
MGRA
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7:39pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Creaky Knees
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7:54pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Linesman wrote:Bridge? Block the M27? You've all missed the obvious solution: traffic lights. They use them everywhere in Southampton, so they'll put some on the M27 along with "ahead only" signs to conform to health and safety regulations.
DBTM wrote:So you want a runway over the M27.
Linesman wrote:Have you never heard of that magical trick that allows vehicles to cross a road, looking like they're floating in the air?
mack chinnon wrote:Blocking off the M27?
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
You must be part of Cameron's policy planning committee. It is bound to cause a U-Turn - on the M27.
It's called a bridge...
I can't see that being passed without opposition from residents and safety experts.
Linesman
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7:56pm Wed 24 Oct 12
George4th wrote:The financial problems faced by the previous government were caused by International Banking that had its beginnings in the USA and spread virtually world wide and is what has caused the problems with the Euro.
Linesman wrote:"Of course, it has nothing to do with the incompetence of the government's economic policies that has seen a double-dip recession."
hulla baloo wrote:Of course, it has nothing to do with the incompetence of the government's economic policies that has seen a double-dip recession.
Sorry for the workers, but they only have those short sighted and out dated dinosaurs of union leaders ( muppets) to blame.
Cameron thinks that the good times are just around the corner because of good results in the last quarter, but it needs more than one good quarter to get us out of the mire they have got the country in.
NO! It has more to do with outdated Union practices and the economic mess the Labour government left behind with the mega high Deficit/Debt - the biggest ever seen in the UK!
"Spend! Spend! Spend!" Labour Party Motto
"Spend Spend Spend!" Trade Union Motto
>
"Cameron thinks that the good times are just around the corner because of good results in the last quarter, but it needs more than one good quarter to get us out of the mire they have got the country in."
Sounds like you're getting worried!
What will you say when Cameron is proved right?!
Labour got in under Wilson, Labour in under Blair. Result in both cases? Massive Debt and a visit to thye door of the IMF!!!
What worries me is that there are people out there who want Labour to be knocking on the door of the IMF for a 3rd time!!
Brown took action to limit the effect in the UK by bailing out banks, building societies and also councils that had invested their money in Icelandic Banks.
What alternative solution did the leader of the opposition at the time, David Cameron, suggest?
HE DID NOT! As now, he did not have a clue.
Compare that with the previous financial crisis. Black Wednesday and Maestrict.
No International Crisis. Nobody else to blame but the incompetence of the Tory government of the time that resulted in interest rates in their teens, with families having their houses repossessed and record numbers of unemployed - no matter how they tried to doctor the figures.
I can only guess that you have selective memory loss and have conveniently forgotten about that.
What I would like to know is, if your beloved Tories are so great with finance, WHAT HAS THE COUNTRY GOT TO SHOW FOR ALL THE £BILLIONS THAT THATCHER&CO RAISED BY SELLING OFF STATE-OWNED ASSETS LIKE NORTH SEA OIL, BT, ELECTRICITY, GAS ETC ETC.
Personally, I cannot think of one thing.
Could it possibly be that the result is all the £millionaires on the government front bench?
Andy Locks Heath
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8:05pm Wed 24 Oct 12
S Pance
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8:06pm Wed 24 Oct 12
MGRA wrote:True.
moronic comments on here as per usual... to inject some reason.... A. The plant does not make economic sense. B. The plant makes strategic sense. C. Ford products are utter c@ck. D. this has NOTHING to do with politics. E. That land has uses 500% better than an obsolete van factory.
The only reason I can see for keeping Southampton is that it's small. Closing a bigger plant would produce bigger savings.
OSPREYSAINT
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8:09pm Wed 24 Oct 12
mack chinnon wrote:Only if you divert the Motorway, might make space for a long term car park but not much else. How about moving the Aviation Museum there, it is an historical site.
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:16pm Wed 24 Oct 12
MGRA
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8:28pm Wed 24 Oct 12
S Pance wrote:there is a 50% chance of a huge earthquake closing the turkish production in the next decade. it would take only 3 months to switch some production to southampton. Its their insurance policy. The management have forgotten this. If the turkey plant goes offline then ford will loose sales,,,, forever.... The brand is almost half dead commercially in the EU anyway.
MGRA wrote:True.
moronic comments on here as per usual... to inject some reason.... A. The plant does not make economic sense. B. The plant makes strategic sense. C. Ford products are utter c@ck. D. this has NOTHING to do with politics. E. That land has uses 500% better than an obsolete van factory.
The only reason I can see for keeping Southampton is that it's small. Closing a bigger plant would produce bigger savings.
roofspace
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8:32pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Torchie1 wrote:Not wanting to be a wanna-be raving right sycophant I didn't. As a trainee lapdog you have seen what suits you. The only thing you tried to get from the comment was brownie points and praise from the Maggie Thatcher Brown Nose Society.
roofspace wrote:If you weren't happy with it why did you stay at Fords?
!% screwing the other 99% and blaming the 99% and the Raving Right sycophants writing to say it is all the workers fault. I don't remember any workers deciding company policy and pocketing wads of cash from share dividends, gold plated pensions, golden hello's & golden goodbye's. I do remember them earning it for the 1% though.
Ford and every other big company lie through their teeth, always have done and will always do so.
When I worked there we settled for a 3% rise as we were told one week that they would be making a loss and there might have to be lay-off's just after we settled they announced profits of 26,000,000. They said the same thing the following year and we being gullible believed them again. After we agreed a minimal rise they promptly announced an increase of profits to 126,000,000.
andyfidler1966
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8:38pm Wed 24 Oct 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Doesn't the motorway go along a bridge over Wide Lane? Unless it takes a steep drop going eastwards any runway extention would involve building a bridge over another bridge/embankment. It would never work.
If you Google map the runway you will see that it isn't aligned with the Ford works, it could be extended over the motorway with a bridge alongside the Cemetery but I doubt if that will ever happen, very little need for it.
skin2000
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8:40pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Shoong wrote:Are capitalists any better? Look at the USA and the approaching Fiscal Cliff.
southy wrote:Thinking that something happening in Iceland can be applied to our country is complete folly, naive at best. Must do better.
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
In 2000 there was a merger of all the left parties to form the Social Democratic Alliance. So Iceland isn't becoming Socialist, it's been Socialist but surprise, surprise, they couldn't see past the end of their noses and it fell apart. Iceland is a perfect example of how Socialists cannot handle an economy.
redsnapper
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9:33pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Andy Locks Heath wrote:Andy you are so right. This city has been completely let down by these local ignoramuses masquerading as people who give a ****. They don#t.
And what are Southampton's local politicians doing? They are busy driving jobs away from the docks and elsewher,e driving away investment, driving away young people's futures. This is the history of Southampton. At a time when jobs are going the local politicians are showing off to a bunch of east european politicians about reducing CO2 emissions, or to put it in plain english, exporting prosperity to countries with more sense.
The city has totally squandered opportunities thats its geographical location delivers.
City fathers with any vision should have given us a city with a major tourist attraction, an exposition centre,an attractive and a vibrant waterfront area, the list is endless instead they have developed a gateway city which has swamp estates increasing the violent crime rate and just mouthing of platitudes at election time.
A city with a future might have had a chance to change the mind of FoMoCo.
Regretfully our city is very much second rate compared to what it could be.
phil maccavity
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9:36pm Wed 24 Oct 12
southy wrote:Southy
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
No wonder you are subject to regular ridicule
If you check hard facts, rather than rely on your warped imagination, you will find that, for the past 10 years or more, there has always been more vehicle exports out of Soton port than coming in, by some margin.
On the subject matter, it will be devastating for the economy of the the area should Fords pull out.
The Ford factory inTurkey has been given plenty of state aid.
The factory in Soton has been crying out for an upgrade for years (some of the buildings are listed from WW11!!!) but, as ever, any EC/UK State Aid has been concentrated elsewhere eg Merseyside, Derby, Sunderland, Midlands.
I feel really sorry for the Ford workers as this is not their fault
Sir Ad E Noid
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9:38pm Wed 24 Oct 12
modusoper wrote:What a completely idiotic comment. The workers at Ford in Southampton deserve a break. You, for your moronic comment, deserve nothing.
This if true will be great news. This place needs to close, it causes so much grief to local residents, and the social club has been the bane of residents for years. Glad to see the back of the place. Just wish the airport would close with it!!!
Torchie1
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9:56pm Wed 24 Oct 12
roofspace wrote:It would be interesting to read the response to a complicated question.
Torchie1 wrote:Not wanting to be a wanna-be raving right sycophant I didn't. As a trainee lapdog you have seen what suits you. The only thing you tried to get from the comment was brownie points and praise from the Maggie Thatcher Brown Nose Society.
roofspace wrote:If you weren't happy with it why did you stay at Fords?
!% screwing the other 99% and blaming the 99% and the Raving Right sycophants writing to say it is all the workers fault. I don't remember any workers deciding company policy and pocketing wads of cash from share dividends, gold plated pensions, golden hello's & golden goodbye's. I do remember them earning it for the 1% though.
Ford and every other big company lie through their teeth, always have done and will always do so.
When I worked there we settled for a 3% rise as we were told one week that they would be making a loss and there might have to be lay-off's just after we settled they announced profits of 26,000,000. They said the same thing the following year and we being gullible believed them again. After we agreed a minimal rise they promptly announced an increase of profits to 126,000,000.
wake up
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10:28pm Wed 24 Oct 12
S Pance
says...
10:36pm Wed 24 Oct 12
MGRA wrote:How?
S Pance wrote:there is a 50% chance of a huge earthquake closing the turkish production in the next decade. it would take only 3 months to switch some production to southampton. Its their insurance policy. The management have forgotten this. If the turkey plant goes offline then ford will loose sales,,,, forever.... The brand is almost half dead commercially in the EU anyway.
MGRA wrote:True.
moronic comments on here as per usual... to inject some reason.... A. The plant does not make economic sense. B. The plant makes strategic sense. C. Ford products are utter c@ck. D. this has NOTHING to do with politics. E. That land has uses 500% better than an obsolete van factory.
The only reason I can see for keeping Southampton is that it's small. Closing a bigger plant would produce bigger savings.
Southampton no longer has the tooling for the other models of Transit. Then there's recruitment and training of staff.
You also forget that the Izmit transit plant has been designed such that it's largely earthquake resistant and the risk of any lengthy shutdown is more than offset by the savings in staffing costs.
Shoong
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10:36pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Linesman wrote:Yes, well done, aren't you the Mensa member.
Shoong wrote:Bit like the Tories.
southy wrote:Who is 'the Capitalist'?
Shoong wrote:Funy that because of they let the Capitalist here in the UK and USA have a say on there finance and then came the deregulation of finance that cause there crash, That merger of the Left have only had a say in policy matters after the big Icelandic finance crash caused though the Capitalist, just because they formed in 2000, do not mean that had real say what happen in there country, that came after they manage to gain control of the there Government.
southy wrote:Thinking that something happening in Iceland can be applied to our country is complete folly, naive at best. Must do better.
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
In 2000 there was a merger of all the left parties to form the Social Democratic Alliance. So Iceland isn't becoming Socialist, it's been Socialist but surprise, surprise, they couldn't see past the end of their noses and it fell apart. Iceland is a perfect example of how Socialists cannot handle an economy.
Yep, they managed to get in - after forming a coalition - that's how popular they were!
S Pance
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10:43pm Wed 24 Oct 12
MGRA wrote:How?
S Pance wrote:there is a 50% chance of a huge earthquake closing the turkish production in the next decade. it would take only 3 months to switch some production to southampton. Its their insurance policy. The management have forgotten this. If the turkey plant goes offline then ford will loose sales,,,, forever.... The brand is almost half dead commercially in the EU anyway.
MGRA wrote:True.
moronic comments on here as per usual... to inject some reason.... A. The plant does not make economic sense. B. The plant makes strategic sense. C. Ford products are utter c@ck. D. this has NOTHING to do with politics. E. That land has uses 500% better than an obsolete van factory.
The only reason I can see for keeping Southampton is that it's small. Closing a bigger plant would produce bigger savings.
Southampton no longer has the tooling for the other models of Transit. Then there's recruitment and training of staff.
You also forget that the Izmit transit plant has been designed such that it's largely earthquake resistant and the risk of any lengthy shutdown is more than offset by the savings in staffing costs.
S Pance
says...
10:48pm Wed 24 Oct 12
MGRA wrote:Rumour circulating down pub say plant is to cease production by mid 2013, equipment to be shipped to Turkey and plant to close end of December.
S Pance wrote:there is a 50% chance of a huge earthquake closing the turkish production in the next decade. it would take only 3 months to switch some production to southampton. Its their insurance policy. The management have forgotten this. If the turkey plant goes offline then ford will loose sales,,,, forever.... The brand is almost half dead commercially in the EU anyway.
MGRA wrote:True.
moronic comments on here as per usual... to inject some reason.... A. The plant does not make economic sense. B. The plant makes strategic sense. C. Ford products are utter c@ck. D. this has NOTHING to do with politics. E. That land has uses 500% better than an obsolete van factory.
The only reason I can see for keeping Southampton is that it's small. Closing a bigger plant would produce bigger savings.
Obviously, this is a rumour but will be interesting to see what's announced tomorrow.
Robert.b
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10:51pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Rockhopper wrote:Good place for 600 hundred coucil flats for the jobless workers.
Surely will be considered a prime development site for residential housing.
Linesman
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11:00pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Shoong wrote:If being able to remember how the Tories came to power a couple of years back makes me a member of Mensa, then I am.
Linesman wrote:Yes, well done, aren't you the Mensa member.
Shoong wrote:Bit like the Tories.
southy wrote:Who is 'the Capitalist'?
Shoong wrote:Funy that because of they let the Capitalist here in the UK and USA have a say on there finance and then came the deregulation of finance that cause there crash, That merger of the Left have only had a say in policy matters after the big Icelandic finance crash caused though the Capitalist, just because they formed in 2000, do not mean that had real say what happen in there country, that came after they manage to gain control of the there Government.
southy wrote:Thinking that something happening in Iceland can be applied to our country is complete folly, naive at best. Must do better.
Stillness wrote:Stills have read off the peaceful revolution that taking place in Iceland.
southy wrote:Relax everyone. Southy is on the case.
Bowilks wrote:You hit the nail on the head "all imports and no exports" well very little exports.
Delcos,BAT,Pirellis,
Bacardi,Phillips,Sta
ndard telephones,Meyers.Wh
o's next Rank Hovis for new hotel in the docks ! !No wonder the docks are getting busier it's all imports and no exports.
Its been like that since Thatcher government denationalise State industary.
They are demantling and removing all Capitalist Economics and Political Policy, and replacing them with a Socialist Economics and Political Policy, and all ready they are a very stable country, the most stable country in Europe now, there National Debt is falling now.
In 2000 there was a merger of all the left parties to form the Social Democratic Alliance. So Iceland isn't becoming Socialist, it's been Socialist but surprise, surprise, they couldn't see past the end of their noses and it fell apart. Iceland is a perfect example of how Socialists cannot handle an economy.
Yep, they managed to get in - after forming a coalition - that's how popular they were!
If it does not, I am not.
Having been a critic of my various contributions on the Echo pages, for you to pose such a question would indicate that you are not a member.
kingnotail
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12:01am Thu 25 Oct 12
mooky9 wrote:That coffin was already buried years ago..
Another nail in the coffin that is southampton...
George4th
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12:03am Thu 25 Oct 12
Linesman wrote:You are in denial!
George4th wrote:The financial problems faced by the previous government were caused by International Banking that had its beginnings in the USA and spread virtually world wide and is what has caused the problems with the Euro.
Linesman wrote:"Of course, it has nothing to do with the incompetence of the government's economic policies that has seen a double-dip recession."
hulla baloo wrote:Of course, it has nothing to do with the incompetence of the government's economic policies that has seen a double-dip recession.
Sorry for the workers, but they only have those short sighted and out dated dinosaurs of union leaders ( muppets) to blame.
Cameron thinks that the good times are just around the corner because of good results in the last quarter, but it needs more than one good quarter to get us out of the mire they have got the country in.
NO! It has more to do with outdated Union practices and the economic mess the Labour government left behind with the mega high Deficit/Debt - the biggest ever seen in the UK!
"Spend! Spend! Spend!" Labour Party Motto
"Spend Spend Spend!" Trade Union Motto
>
"Cameron thinks that the good times are just around the corner because of good results in the last quarter, but it needs more than one good quarter to get us out of the mire they have got the country in."
Sounds like you're getting worried!
What will you say when Cameron is proved right?!
Labour got in under Wilson, Labour in under Blair. Result in both cases? Massive Debt and a visit to thye door of the IMF!!!
What worries me is that there are people out there who want Labour to be knocking on the door of the IMF for a 3rd time!!
Brown took action to limit the effect in the UK by bailing out banks, building societies and also councils that had invested their money in Icelandic Banks.
What alternative solution did the leader of the opposition at the time, David Cameron, suggest?
HE DID NOT! As now, he did not have a clue.
Compare that with the previous financial crisis. Black Wednesday and Maestrict.
No International Crisis. Nobody else to blame but the incompetence of the Tory government of the time that resulted in interest rates in their teens, with families having their houses repossessed and record numbers of unemployed - no matter how they tried to doctor the figures.
I can only guess that you have selective memory loss and have conveniently forgotten about that.
What I would like to know is, if your beloved Tories are so great with finance, WHAT HAS THE COUNTRY GOT TO SHOW FOR ALL THE £BILLIONS THAT THATCHER&CO RAISED BY SELLING OFF STATE-OWNED ASSETS LIKE NORTH SEA OIL, BT, ELECTRICITY, GAS ETC ETC.
Personally, I cannot think of one thing.
Could it possibly be that the result is all the £millionaires on the government front bench?
History will record that we had a Debt of over £600 Billion BEFORE the global financial crisis (which Labour encouraged without proper financial regulation!) plus a rising DEFICIT!
We had a government who BORROWED £3 FOR EVERY £4 THEY SPENT!
TOTAL MADNESS! How can you possibly justify that level of incompetence?!
kingnotail
says...
12:04am Thu 25 Oct 12
mooky9 wrote:That coffin was already buried years ago..
Another nail in the coffin that is southampton...
kingnotail
says...
12:08am Thu 25 Oct 12
modusoper wrote:It's because of attitudes like this that Southampton has become the hopeless basket case that it is.
This if true will be great news. This place needs to close, it causes so much grief to local residents, and the social club has been the bane of residents for years. Glad to see the back of the place. Just wish the airport would close with it!!!
pqp123
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12:36am Thu 25 Oct 12
Linesman wrote:Don't be so stupid.
mack chinnon wrote:Blocking off the M27?
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
You must be part of Cameron's policy planning committee. It is bound to cause a U-Turn - on the M27.
Have you ever heard of a thing called tunnel?
southy
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10:49am Thu 25 Oct 12
S Pance wrote:They can not ship equipment to Turkey, Fords do not own it, the equipment was bought by the state at a cost of £50 billion, the only thing Fords own is the Ford badge, and its the same with every Car manufactory. The only country that had the good motion was Spain, who turn round to Fords if you want your goods sold here then you pay for them to be built here to, and Fords had to pay out, for every thing and still do.
MGRA wrote:Rumour circulating down pub say plant is to cease production by mid 2013, equipment to be shipped to Turkey and plant to close end of December.
S Pance wrote:there is a 50% chance of a huge earthquake closing the turkish production in the next decade. it would take only 3 months to switch some production to southampton. Its their insurance policy. The management have forgotten this. If the turkey plant goes offline then ford will loose sales,,,, forever.... The brand is almost half dead commercially in the EU anyway.
MGRA wrote:True.
moronic comments on here as per usual... to inject some reason.... A. The plant does not make economic sense. B. The plant makes strategic sense. C. Ford products are utter c@ck. D. this has NOTHING to do with politics. E. That land has uses 500% better than an obsolete van factory.
The only reason I can see for keeping Southampton is that it's small. Closing a bigger plant would produce bigger savings.
Obviously, this is a rumour but will be interesting to see what's announced tomorrow.
Nationalise the Ford Transit plant and lets see if Fords back out then.
southy
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10:51am Thu 25 Oct 12
pqp123 wrote:You would never be able to have the Tunnel high enough to fit a jet liner though, at best it would only be good for is a car park.
Linesman wrote:Don't be so stupid.
mack chinnon wrote:Blocking off the M27?
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
You must be part of Cameron's policy planning committee. It is bound to cause a U-Turn - on the M27.
Have you ever heard of a thing called tunnel?
southy
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10:58am Thu 25 Oct 12
George4th wrote:The UK national debt was started in the 80's, £600 billion was what the Torys left Labour when they came into power, the Torys borrowed money against the WWII loan, Labour had to pay that off, and now the Torys can't hide what they borrowed.
Linesman wrote:You are in denial!
George4th wrote:The financial problems faced by the previous government were caused by International Banking that had its beginnings in the USA and spread virtually world wide and is what has caused the problems with the Euro.
Linesman wrote:"Of course, it has nothing to do with the incompetence of the government's economic policies that has seen a double-dip recession."
hulla baloo wrote:Of course, it has nothing to do with the incompetence of the government's economic policies that has seen a double-dip recession.
Sorry for the workers, but they only have those short sighted and out dated dinosaurs of union leaders ( muppets) to blame.
Cameron thinks that the good times are just around the corner because of good results in the last quarter, but it needs more than one good quarter to get us out of the mire they have got the country in.
NO! It has more to do with outdated Union practices and the economic mess the Labour government left behind with the mega high Deficit/Debt - the biggest ever seen in the UK!
"Spend! Spend! Spend!" Labour Party Motto
"Spend Spend Spend!" Trade Union Motto
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"Cameron thinks that the good times are just around the corner because of good results in the last quarter, but it needs more than one good quarter to get us out of the mire they have got the country in."
Sounds like you're getting worried!
What will you say when Cameron is proved right?!
Labour got in under Wilson, Labour in under Blair. Result in both cases? Massive Debt and a visit to thye door of the IMF!!!
What worries me is that there are people out there who want Labour to be knocking on the door of the IMF for a 3rd time!!
Brown took action to limit the effect in the UK by bailing out banks, building societies and also councils that had invested their money in Icelandic Banks.
What alternative solution did the leader of the opposition at the time, David Cameron, suggest?
HE DID NOT! As now, he did not have a clue.
Compare that with the previous financial crisis. Black Wednesday and Maestrict.
No International Crisis. Nobody else to blame but the incompetence of the Tory government of the time that resulted in interest rates in their teens, with families having their houses repossessed and record numbers of unemployed - no matter how they tried to doctor the figures.
I can only guess that you have selective memory loss and have conveniently forgotten about that.
What I would like to know is, if your beloved Tories are so great with finance, WHAT HAS THE COUNTRY GOT TO SHOW FOR ALL THE £BILLIONS THAT THATCHER&CO RAISED BY SELLING OFF STATE-OWNED ASSETS LIKE NORTH SEA OIL, BT, ELECTRICITY, GAS ETC ETC.
Personally, I cannot think of one thing.
Could it possibly be that the result is all the £millionaires on the government front bench?
History will record that we had a Debt of over £600 Billion BEFORE the global financial crisis (which Labour encouraged without proper financial regulation!) plus a rising DEFICIT!
We had a government who BORROWED £3 FOR EVERY £4 THEY SPENT!
TOTAL MADNESS! How can you possibly justify that level of incompetence?!
pqp123
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3:29pm Thu 25 Oct 12
southy wrote:Obviously the tunnel is to divert the M27 traffic not the aircrafts fgs
pqp123 wrote:You would never be able to have the Tunnel high enough to fit a jet liner though, at best it would only be good for is a car park.
Linesman wrote:Don't be so stupid.
mack chinnon wrote:Blocking off the M27?
Over the Edge wrote:I can see a runway extension there.
Bloody hell, another 600 workers out on their ear.
Not a prime example of the private sector picking up those made redundant in the public sector, that Mr CaMoron said would happen.
I suppose the site will be become prime building land?
You must be part of Cameron's policy planning committee. It is bound to cause a U-Turn - on the M27.
Have you ever heard of a thing called tunnel?
OSPREYSAINT
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6:53pm Thu 25 Oct 12
andyfidler1966 wrote:It would be possible but far too expensive to warrant it. As I said before, Google map the site and you will see what I mean.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Doesn't the motorway go along a bridge over Wide Lane? Unless it takes a steep drop going eastwards any runway extention would involve building a bridge over another bridge/embankment. It would never work.
If you Google map the runway you will see that it isn't aligned with the Ford works, it could be extended over the motorway with a bridge alongside the Cemetery but I doubt if that will ever happen, very little need for it.
roofspace
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9:01am Fri 26 Oct 12
Torchie1 wrote:Then ask one.
roofspace wrote:It would be interesting to read the response to a complicated question.
Torchie1 wrote:Not wanting to be a wanna-be raving right sycophant I didn't. As a trainee lapdog you have seen what suits you. The only thing you tried to get from the comment was brownie points and praise from the Maggie Thatcher Brown Nose Society.
roofspace wrote:If you weren't happy with it why did you stay at Fords?
!% screwing the other 99% and blaming the 99% and the Raving Right sycophants writing to say it is all the workers fault. I don't remember any workers deciding company policy and pocketing wads of cash from share dividends, gold plated pensions, golden hello's & golden goodbye's. I do remember them earning it for the 1% though.
Ford and every other big company lie through their teeth, always have done and will always do so.
When I worked there we settled for a 3% rise as we were told one week that they would be making a loss and there might have to be lay-off's just after we settled they announced profits of 26,000,000. They said the same thing the following year and we being gullible believed them again. After we agreed a minimal rise they promptly announced an increase of profits to 126,000,000.
mooky9 says...
1:00pm Wed 24 Oct 12