Ford workers offered up to £80,000 pay offs (From Daily Echo)

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....

jaysub wrote:
"Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms"

As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....

More of a case of the private sector takes more out then they are willing to put in.
Nationalise Industarys pays for it self, profits are put back into the country to pay off the debts ran up by private industarys.

jaysub wrote:
"Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms"

As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!

peenut81 wrote:
GeorgeM, I said it yesterday, i'll say it again i believe you are the most unintelligent person in Southampton. At least Southy gets the principle if not the facts.
How does the private sector make 'profit'?
In almost every case it is heavily subsidised by the public.
No tax on air fuel. Subsidy for supermarkets/airline

s/tourism/ wealthy business commuters.
Grants to set up such as the one mentioned above.
No tax on non-doms (encourages Entrapeneurs/attract

s criminals from all over).
Tax free zones like the Olympic village for multinationals.
A tax code written by the financial service industry to benefit - the financial service industry.
I could go on but i won't.
User12, I agree, but it is important the politics are discussed because like it or not politics is everything.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....

More of a case of the private sector takes more out then they are willing to put in.
Nationalise Industarys pays for it self, profits are put back into the country to pay off the debts ran up by private industarys.

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.

loosehead wrote:

jaysub wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!

Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.

Cyber__Fug wrote:

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.

The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group"
Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954.


B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again !

Georgem wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.

The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group"
Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954.


B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again !

I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

Georgem wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.

The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group"
Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954.


B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again !

I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".

jaysub wrote:

loosehead wrote:

jaysub wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!

Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?

While we realise that,we were never going to recieve enhanched redundency or pensions.Fords recieve up to £17000 loyalty bonus but we are giving nothing in return for CONTRACT WORKERS longstanding loyalty.Without us the plant would been unable to run and the ford workers would up losing there £17000 bonus on top of there £50,000+ guarented payoffs.If every ford southampton worker gave £1000 out of there payoffs,it would give each contractor £5000 to try and get us on our feet.

loosehead wrote:

jaysub wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!

Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.

The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group"
Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954.


B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again !

I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".

They was invites to the first Bilderberg meeting of the outter circle, look deeper look for those that invited them

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

http://www.bilderber

gmeetings.org/index.

php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

http://www.bilderber


gmeetings.org/index.


php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.

yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

http://www.bilderber



gmeetings.org/index.



php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.

yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.

and where did you get this information from?

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

http://www.bilderber


gmeetings.org/index.


php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.

yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....

Cyber__Fug wrote:

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

http://www.bilderber



gmeetings.org/index.



php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.

yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.

Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse !

Linesman wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....

Where do you think that Ford's profits go?

They are certainly do not end up here.

Where do you think Nissan's profits go?

Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go?

Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go?

They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.

hulla baloo wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

http://www.bilderber




gmeetings.org/index.




php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.

yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.

Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse !

Am just wondering how big this hole will end up, that Southy is digging for himself. Maybe the inner cirlce will have the answer.

Sunnie wrote:
Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

http://www.bilderber





gmeetings.org/index.





php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.

yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.

Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse !

Am just wondering how big this hole will end up, that Southy is digging for himself. Maybe the inner cirlce will have the answer.

He'll just pretend it never happened. He always does. It's as if his entire universe would crumble if he ever actually admitted to getting anything wrong.

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

http://www.bilderber



gmeetings.org/index.



php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.

yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.

and where did you get this information from?

hulla baloo wrote:
Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.

southy wrote:
hulla baloo seeing that you can not answer those 2 questions that would give you an deeper insight.
The world main branch of the Freemaston is in Washington DC USA, it use to be in the UK.
The Marriotts Hotels are owned by the Mormons.
The idea for the Bilderberg group is more likey older than what I know off, its like the basics of the EU, Churchill tried to unite France and Britians Arm forces as one just before France fell.
what as Hilter Germany and the Bilderberg group got in common.

hulla baloo wrote:
Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.

Georgem wrote:

Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?

Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.

southy wrote:
hulla baloo seeing that you can not answer those 2 questions that would give you an deeper insight.
The world main branch of the Freemaston is in Washington DC USA, it use to be in the UK.
The Marriotts Hotels are owned by the Mormons.
The idea for the Bilderberg group is more likey older than what I know off, its like the basics of the EU, Churchill tried to unite France and Britians Arm forces as one just before France fell.
what as Hilter Germany and the Bilderberg group got in common.

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.

http://www.bilderber




gmeetings.org/index.




php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.

yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.

and where did you get this information from?

Its in a book, 1945 the future of europe, the last days of the war, its also talk about in the last book out 10 "World at War" which became a tv doc.back in the 70's and 80's

hulla baloo wrote:
Ah so we have now gone from Bildenberg in 1954, to Yalta in 1945 and now to 1943. Please tell me when it gets to the battle of hastings.
Do you really need remindng, yet again, that the first Bildenberg meeting took place in Holland in 1954, Their website link, yet again is http://www.bilderber


gmeetings.org/index.


php


Still waiting, as you claim you are right, for your proof of Turkey and the EU refusal.

hulla baloo wrote:
How am I twisting. You first mentioned Bildenberg in 1945, I corrected you on that. Then you mentioned 1943, so I referred to the Yalta meeting held in that year.
I note you are STILL refusing to back up your claim on '' I was right" referring to Turkey and the EU.
Are you going to concede that one?

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:
Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.

No the Yalta conference was the second conference of the three meeting of allied heads of state Europe's post-war reorganization, the first meeting took place in 1943 Tehran Conference, and the final meeting was Potsdam Conference july 1945.
The Bildenberg meeting first took place in 1945 in March/April it was when the start of the final battle took place the battle of Berlin.
The 1954 meetings was the invite meetings, the start of the second circle.

southy wrote:
freefinker.

"Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday"

You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.

MBHants wrote:
>>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945

Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?

user12 wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?

Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.

There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..!

user12 wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?

Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.

There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..!

sass wrote:
How is it that Matt Smith can use a55 in his article, but if I tell you that my donkey is an a55 it gets deleted?

southy wrote:

MBHants wrote:
>>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945

Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?

Yes well there are well over 11 million urls that mention Bilderberg for the last 2 years and thats for easy reach, when you start to go back in years 11 million urls seems just a scratch to what as been posted, easier just to go to the library.
Google search go's back only 85 pages with about 10 urls to a page, 18 mths.

any way time i got going things to do, i not like some on here who are posting just because they are bored and nothing to do.

madmandy wrote:
I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....

Where do you think that Ford's profits go?

They are certainly do not end up here.

Where do you think Nissan's profits go?

Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go?

Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go?

They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.

Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.

Sunnie wrote:
Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?

madmandy wrote:
I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .

southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

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Linesman wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....

Where do you think that Ford's profits go?

They are certainly do not end up here.

Where do you think Nissan's profits go?

Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go?

Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go?

They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.

Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.

Depends what you mean by a fortune.

The public sector covers a very wide range of work.

Do you get a fortune from the road sweeper?

No, but there is no 'middle-man' to take a cut and make a profit for the shareholders.

If that road sweeper is employed by a firm that is contracted by the council, then that firm is the 'middle-man' who makes a fortune.

Similar with office staff, maintenance staff, parks etc etc. They do not turn a profit when they are public sector, but if the job is contracted out, then the contractors want to make a profit.

If these contractors are foreign owned, as a good many of them are, those profits do not stay in the UK to be reinvested here, but go to improve things abroad.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
freefinker.

"Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday"

You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.

He has a poor memory because he doesn't remember one of your inane posts from 2 years ago? Seriously?

southy wrote:

MBHants wrote:
>>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945

Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?

Yes well there are well over 11 million urls that mention Bilderberg for the last 2 years and thats for easy reach, when you start to go back in years 11 million urls seems just a scratch to what as been posted, easier just to go to the library.
Google search go's back only 85 pages with about 10 urls to a page, 18 mths.

any way time i got going things to do, i not like some on here who are posting just because they are bored and nothing to do.

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.

Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's

I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....

Where do you think that Ford's profits go?

They are certainly do not end up here.

Where do you think Nissan's profits go?

Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go?

Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go?

They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.

Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.

Depends what you mean by a fortune.

The public sector covers a very wide range of work.

Do you get a fortune from the road sweeper?

No, but there is no 'middle-man' to take a cut and make a profit for the shareholders.

If that road sweeper is employed by a firm that is contracted by the council, then that firm is the 'middle-man' who makes a fortune.

Similar with office staff, maintenance staff, parks etc etc. They do not turn a profit when they are public sector, but if the job is contracted out, then the contractors want to make a profit.

If these contractors are foreign owned, as a good many of them are, those profits do not stay in the UK to be reinvested here, but go to improve things abroad.

So it also depends on what you mean by "make". I'm not disagreeing that some services are better being nationalised. The comment I initially responded to claimed that the private sector is pretty much all subsidised by the taxpayer, which is complete and utter bunkum.

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:

user12 wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?

Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.

There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..!

Temp aint got no rights you should of known this when you took the Job!

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

jaysub wrote:
"Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms"

As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

Lone Ranger. wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad

IronLady2010 wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I wouldn't find that funny at all.........

Lone Ranger. wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad

SOULJACKER wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I wouldn't find that funny at all.........

Oh Iron lady ever the sensible one eh!

It's Friday evening & I I'm getting my drank on for a change :)

All you ever get on here is moaning & depression..... Boring (-_-)zzzzzzzz

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad

I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad

I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.

I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad

I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.

I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.

You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?

IronLady2010 wrote:
I feel, Unions have a place to serve individuals, but they say they are run by members, now they have thousands of members, yet someone calls for a strike before the members even have a say.

So, Unions aren't run by members as they have a boss who instigates the strike suggestion, then they create a meeting which plays music, creates the atmosphere and gives a talk about what the UNION bosses want. The Membership just follow what they feel is best advice as they're paying for the service.

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad

I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.

I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.

You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?

If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad

I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.

I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.

You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?

If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.

That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing.

The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly.

The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll.

How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.

Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.

Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.

freefinker wrote:

Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.

.. oh, he won't be back on this story.

Too many people have challenged him over the rubbish he has made up.

Can't admit he's got anything wrong, ever.

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad

I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.

I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.

You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?

If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.

That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing.

The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly.

The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll.

How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.

Your ignorance of Unions and how they work is apparent.

A Union leader may advise members to strike, but that has to be followed by a ballot of union members where, in a secret ballot, they can either decide to strike or not.

A Union leader is the chief negotiator.

As is often stated, 'Unity is strength.'

As an individual, employers can do virtually what they want. Sack. Dock wages. Put on short time. etc. By being a member of the union the worker has the strength of membership behind him or her.

By your name, you appear to be a female.

It is because of pressure from Unions that females now have the benefit of equal pay for equal work, but of course, you would conveniently put that to the back of your anti-union mind.

Linesman wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.

.. oh, he won't be back on this story.

Too many people have challenged him over the rubbish he has made up.

Can't admit he's got anything wrong, ever.

But you can?

madmandy wrote:
I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .

freefinker wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
freefinker.

"Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday"

You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.

He has a poor memory because he doesn't remember one of your inane posts from 2 years ago? Seriously?

.. no, no, Georgem - I have "a VERY poor memory"

And, yes, I think he IS serious.

southy, you have NOT mentioned Bilderberg STARTING in 1945 before yesterday.

Prove me wrong.

andysaints007 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))

I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad

I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.

I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.

You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?

If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.

That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing.

The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly.

The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll.

How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.

Your ignorance of Unions and how they work is apparent.

A Union leader may advise members to strike, but that has to be followed by a ballot of union members where, in a secret ballot, they can either decide to strike or not.

A Union leader is the chief negotiator.

As is often stated, 'Unity is strength.'

As an individual, employers can do virtually what they want. Sack. Dock wages. Put on short time. etc. By being a member of the union the worker has the strength of membership behind him or her.

By your name, you appear to be a female.

It is because of pressure from Unions that females now have the benefit of equal pay for equal work, but of course, you would conveniently put that to the back of your anti-union mind.

Equal pay for women had absolutely nothing to do with Unions until they jumped on the bandwagon!!

Linesman wrote:

Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.

He is at work. What's your excuse?

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

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"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

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Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)

"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.

Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group.
Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O




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Latitude 47°58'39" North
Longitude 122°29'95" West
Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)

"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.

Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group.
Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.

You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered:
Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Rotterdam
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:3024ES
Registrant Country:NL

freefinker wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O





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Location US US, United States
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Organization AMAZON.COM
ISP AMAZON.COM
AS Number AS14618
Latitude 47°58'39" North
Longitude 122°29'95" West
Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)

"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.

Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group.
Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.

You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered:
Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Rotterdam
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:3024ES
Registrant Country:NL

.. well, we don't actually expect him to know what he's doing, do we?

Another southy classic.

IronLady2010 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O






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rg
Location US US, United States
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Organization AMAZON.COM
ISP AMAZON.COM
AS Number AS14618
Latitude 47°58'39" North
Longitude 122°29'95" West
Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)

"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.

Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group.
Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.

You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered:
Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Rotterdam
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:3024ES
Registrant Country:NL

.. well, we don't actually expect him to know what he's doing, do we?

Another southy classic.

Here's the proof incase Southy questions it.
http://whois.domaint

ools.com/bilderbergm

eetings.org

Cyber__Fug wrote:
11 Million url's for Bildenberg yet not 1 to support Southy's 1945 claim.... poor chap must be very disillusioned with the lack of correct information that gets posted on the web.....or.... just a little thought here Southy, you are wrong again ?????

Georgem wrote:

user12 wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?

Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.

There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..!

You're a permanent employee of your agency, not of Ford. Ford has no obligation to do anything for you. I'd be mightily surprised if your agency has, either. Best check your contract. You did read it, right?