Angry Ford workers in violent protest at firm's Euro HQ

Angy Ford workers in violent protest at firm's Euro HQ

Angy Ford workers in violent protest at firm's Euro HQ

First published in Ford Transit Factory

Ford workers angry about the car maker's plans to shut their plant broke windows and torched tyres outside the company's European headquarters today.

They were protesting outside the HQ in Germany at the company's plans to close a plant in Belgium - axing thousands of jobs.

The announcement last month came a day before the motor giant revealed controversial plans to close Southampton's Ford Transit factory next July - making 500 workers redundant.

Cologne city police spokesman Karlo Kreitz said about 100 of the protesters were taken into temporary custody after three officers suffered minor injuries in the fracas.

Police say the protesters arrived on buses from Belgium and blocked the entrance to the plant.

Then a group of 20 to 40 stormed the building and threw stones through windows while others burned tyres and set off fireworks.

Ford has announced plans to shut an assembly plant in Genk, Belgium, jeopardising some 5,000 jobs, and union representatives are currently meeting with company management in Cologne.

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3:31pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Stillness says...

That should help then.
That should help then. Stillness
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3:32pm Wed 7 Nov 12

georgetheseventh says...

Why are you moaning..these people are losing thousands of jobs.
Get real yours is just a trickle compared to this and with your favourite Gment in power you will soon fall on your feet again..stop moaning Hamptons.
Why are you moaning..these people are losing thousands of jobs. Get real yours is just a trickle compared to this and with your favourite Gment in power you will soon fall on your feet again..stop moaning Hamptons. georgetheseventh
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3:33pm Wed 7 Nov 12

georgetheseventh says...

Why are you moaning..these people are losing thousands of jobs.
Get real yours is just a trickle compared to this and with your favourite Gment in power you will soon fall on your feet again..stop moaning Hamptons.
Why are you moaning..these people are losing thousands of jobs. Get real yours is just a trickle compared to this and with your favourite Gment in power you will soon fall on your feet again..stop moaning Hamptons. georgetheseventh
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3:34pm Wed 7 Nov 12

georgetheseventh says...

Why are you moaning..these people are losing thousands of jobs.
Get real yours is just a trickle compared to this and with your favourite Gment in power you will soon fall on your feet again..stop moaning Hamptons.
Why are you moaning..these people are losing thousands of jobs. Get real yours is just a trickle compared to this and with your favourite Gment in power you will soon fall on your feet again..stop moaning Hamptons. georgetheseventh
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3:34pm Wed 7 Nov 12

georgetheseventh says...

Why are you moaning..these people are losing thousands of jobs.
Get real yours is just a trickle compared to this and with your favourite Gment in power you will soon fall on your feet again..stop moaning Hamptons.
Why are you moaning..these people are losing thousands of jobs. Get real yours is just a trickle compared to this and with your favourite Gment in power you will soon fall on your feet again..stop moaning Hamptons. georgetheseventh
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3:35pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Huffter says...

That'll help!
That'll help! Huffter
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3:36pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Huffter says...

That'll help!
That'll help! Huffter
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3:42pm Wed 7 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country. hulla baloo
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3:43pm Wed 7 Nov 12

georgetheseventh says...

2nd time lucky ?
Stop moaning Hamptons
This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track..
now..will this post ?
2nd time lucky ? Stop moaning Hamptons This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track.. now..will this post ? georgetheseventh
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3:43pm Wed 7 Nov 12

georgetheseventh says...

2nd time lucky ?
Stop moaning Hamptons
This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track..
now..will this post ?
2nd time lucky ? Stop moaning Hamptons This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track.. now..will this post ? georgetheseventh
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3:43pm Wed 7 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country. hulla baloo
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3:43pm Wed 7 Nov 12

georgetheseventh says...

2nd time lucky ?
Stop moaning Hamptons
This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track..
now..will this post ?
2nd time lucky ? Stop moaning Hamptons This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track.. now..will this post ? georgetheseventh
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3:44pm Wed 7 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country. hulla baloo
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4:02pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
I bet he got Belgium cousin Zuideny to the revolution
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.[/p][/quote]I bet he got Belgium cousin Zuideny to the revolution Over the Edge
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4:02pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
I bet he got Belgium cousin Zuideny to start the revolution
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.[/p][/quote]I bet he got Belgium cousin Zuideny to start the revolution Over the Edge
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4:38pm Wed 7 Nov 12

MGRA says...

looks like Ford were right then ! Who wants criminals working in your factories !!!
looks like Ford were right then ! Who wants criminals working in your factories !!! MGRA
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4:50pm Wed 7 Nov 12

voiceof thepeople says...

georgetheseventh wrote:
2nd time lucky ?
Stop moaning Hamptons
This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track..
now..will this post ?
Just once, for Gods sake, just press the submit button once . . .
[quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: 2nd time lucky ? Stop moaning Hamptons This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track.. now..will this post ?[/p][/quote]Just once, for Gods sake, just press the submit button once . . . voiceof thepeople
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4:53pm Wed 7 Nov 12

localnews says...

georgetheseventh wrote:
2nd time lucky ?
Stop moaning Hamptons
This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track..
now..will this post ?
boring
[quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: 2nd time lucky ? Stop moaning Hamptons This is thousands compared to your hundreds..and your favourite G/ment will soon have you lot back on track.. now..will this post ?[/p][/quote]boring localnews
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4:55pm Wed 7 Nov 12

saint61 says...

Hence the reason they have paid workers 26 weeks wages in Southampton. They're only fighting between themselves here
Hence the reason they have paid workers 26 weeks wages in Southampton. They're only fighting between themselves here saint61
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4:58pm Wed 7 Nov 12

ohec says...

One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy) ohec
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5:10pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Stillness says...

ohec wrote:
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
Best of luck on that one.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)[/p][/quote]Best of luck on that one. Stillness
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5:12pm Wed 7 Nov 12

saint61 says...

ohec wrote:
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
Act more responsibly! Your avin a larf. Only last Friday one ford worker head butted another.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)[/p][/quote]Act more responsibly! Your avin a larf. Only last Friday one ford worker head butted another. saint61
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5:35pm Wed 7 Nov 12

ottred says...

Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?
Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton? ottred
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6:01pm Wed 7 Nov 12

saint61 says...

ottred wrote:
Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?
They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton
[quote][p][bold]ottred[/bold] wrote: Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?[/p][/quote]They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton saint61
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6:05pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Stillness says...

saint61 wrote:
ottred wrote:
Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?
They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton
Blood money? Explain.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ottred[/bold] wrote: Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?[/p][/quote]They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton[/p][/quote]Blood money? Explain. Stillness
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6:06pm Wed 7 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

saint61 wrote:
ottred wrote:
Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?
They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton
'blood money' - what a pr*ck you are !
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ottred[/bold] wrote: Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?[/p][/quote]They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton[/p][/quote]'blood money' - what a pr*ck you are ! andysaints007
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6:12pm Wed 7 Nov 12

saint61 says...

andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
ottred wrote:
Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?
They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton
'blood money' - what a pr*ck you are !
Your obviously taking the money then
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ottred[/bold] wrote: Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?[/p][/quote]They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton[/p][/quote]'blood money' - what a pr*ck you are ![/p][/quote]Your obviously taking the money then saint61
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6:47pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Go on strike thats the only option for you few!
Go on strike thats the only option for you few! Fatty x Ford Worker
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7:03pm Wed 7 Nov 12

ohec says...

saint61 wrote:
ottred wrote:
Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?
They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton
Well it would seem that the Southampton workers are a more intelligent bunch, and they know that any kind of action will not only cost them dear in monetary terms but will also be as effective as **** against the wind. There is a time to fight and a time to admit defeat and this is the later.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ottred[/bold] wrote: Arent these Belgian worker s getting an average of 50k sweeetener to go quietly, like they are in Southampton?[/p][/quote]They certainly are getting 50k the same but instead of accepting blood money they are fighting for their future.......unlike southampton[/p][/quote]Well it would seem that the Southampton workers are a more intelligent bunch, and they know that any kind of action will not only cost them dear in monetary terms but will also be as effective as **** against the wind. There is a time to fight and a time to admit defeat and this is the later. ohec
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7:10pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

See the $ got really good at the moment!
See the $ got really good at the moment! Fatty x Ford Worker
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10:00pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Lockssmart says...

Bored with Ford
Bored with Ford Lockssmart
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11:02pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

ohec wrote:
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
Yes I shall very responsibly never buy another Ford, not much else any of us can do.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)[/p][/quote]Yes I shall very responsibly never buy another Ford, not much else any of us can do. Inform Al
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8:33am Thu 8 Nov 12

Ozmosis says...

Got to love the Europeans. If something doesn't go your way, have a riot.... ;-)
Got to love the Europeans. If something doesn't go your way, have a riot.... ;-) Ozmosis
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9:52am Thu 8 Nov 12

southy says...

ohec wrote:
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open.

One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things.

If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)[/p][/quote]Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open. One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things. If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down. southy
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10:01am Thu 8 Nov 12

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect.

Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.[/p][/quote]This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect. Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed. southy
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10:12am Thu 8 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open.

One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things.

If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.
Who wrote that for you ? for sure it was not written by you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)[/p][/quote]Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open. One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things. If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.[/p][/quote]Who wrote that for you ? for sure it was not written by you. Cyber__Fug
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10:13am Thu 8 Nov 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect.

Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.
It's dawning on you that you'll never take power via the Ballot Box then? Like socialism the world over, power is taken by force or subterfuge.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.[/p][/quote]This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect. Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.[/p][/quote]It's dawning on you that you'll never take power via the Ballot Box then? Like socialism the world over, power is taken by force or subterfuge. Torchie1
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10:15am Thu 8 Nov 12

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open.

One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things.

If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.
Who wrote that for you ? for sure it was not written by you.
Wrong yet again.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)[/p][/quote]Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open. One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things. If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.[/p][/quote]Who wrote that for you ? for sure it was not written by you.[/p][/quote]Wrong yet again. southy
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10:20am Thu 8 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open.

One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things.

If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.
Who wrote that for you ? for sure it was not written by you.
Wrong yet again.
You mean you've finally learnt to be literate rather than having English 'forced' upon you then.

Copy & past job Peter, don't lie.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)[/p][/quote]Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open. One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things. If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.[/p][/quote]Who wrote that for you ? for sure it was not written by you.[/p][/quote]Wrong yet again.[/p][/quote]You mean you've finally learnt to be literate rather than having English 'forced' upon you then. Copy & past job Peter, don't lie. Shoong
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10:23am Thu 8 Nov 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect.

Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.
It's dawning on you that you'll never take power via the Ballot Box then? Like socialism the world over, power is taken by force or subterfuge.
It will be done though the Ballot box or is that beyond your comprehension, the Ballot bax is a Socialist sort of thing to do, The Capitalist do not want your to vote never have done, it was because of socialist ideals is why you can vote in the first place, and not kept the elite few. like it use to be.
Just think it was a Socialist Rose Luxeburg who triggered off events that got women the right to vote, in Lenin's Russia. you look though out history about government voting and you will find a Socialist thinking person/s that have made the changes.
Its Capitalism that is a force of subterfuge.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.[/p][/quote]This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect. Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.[/p][/quote]It's dawning on you that you'll never take power via the Ballot Box then? Like socialism the world over, power is taken by force or subterfuge.[/p][/quote]It will be done though the Ballot box or is that beyond your comprehension, the Ballot bax is a Socialist sort of thing to do, The Capitalist do not want your to vote never have done, it was because of socialist ideals is why you can vote in the first place, and not kept the elite few. like it use to be. Just think it was a Socialist Rose Luxeburg who triggered off events that got women the right to vote, in Lenin's Russia. you look though out history about government voting and you will find a Socialist thinking person/s that have made the changes. Its Capitalism that is a force of subterfuge. southy
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10:25am Thu 8 Nov 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open.

One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things.

If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.
Who wrote that for you ? for sure it was not written by you.
Wrong yet again.
You mean you've finally learnt to be literate rather than having English 'forced' upon you then.

Copy & past job Peter, don't lie.
Your wrong like all ways. and its not a paste and copy job I will tell you when it is like I have done in the past.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)[/p][/quote]Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open. One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things. If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.[/p][/quote]Who wrote that for you ? for sure it was not written by you.[/p][/quote]Wrong yet again.[/p][/quote]You mean you've finally learnt to be literate rather than having English 'forced' upon you then. Copy & past job Peter, don't lie.[/p][/quote]Your wrong like all ways. and its not a paste and copy job I will tell you when it is like I have done in the past. southy
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10:26am Thu 8 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect.

Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.
Peter - there is no revolution coming. The majority of the world now believes in Democracy. They vote for change. But no one is going to vote themselves in Trotsky fantasies from the last century.

'then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.'

'In control of things'...

A simpleton statement that doesn't sound very democratic at all.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.[/p][/quote]This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect. Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.[/p][/quote]Peter - there is no revolution coming. The majority of the world now believes in Democracy. They vote for change. But no one is going to vote themselves in Trotsky fantasies from the last century. 'then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.' 'In control of things'... A simpleton statement that doesn't sound very democratic at all. Shoong
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10:36am Thu 8 Nov 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect.

Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.
Peter - there is no revolution coming. The majority of the world now believes in Democracy. They vote for change. But no one is going to vote themselves in Trotsky fantasies from the last century.

'then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.'

'In control of things'...

A simpleton statement that doesn't sound very democratic at all.
Shoong are you that narrow minded, Revolution comes in many forms.
Trotsky believed in the right to vote, all true Socialist do, It was the Socialist or Socialist thinking people that got you the right to right, If the Capitalist had there way the only ones that would be allowed to vote would still be your Land owners, your business men, men with alot of wealth and Royality.
The best ideas come from the ground for the majority and not from the sky.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.[/p][/quote]This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect. Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.[/p][/quote]Peter - there is no revolution coming. The majority of the world now believes in Democracy. They vote for change. But no one is going to vote themselves in Trotsky fantasies from the last century. 'then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.' 'In control of things'... A simpleton statement that doesn't sound very democratic at all.[/p][/quote]Shoong are you that narrow minded, Revolution comes in many forms. Trotsky believed in the right to vote, all true Socialist do, It was the Socialist or Socialist thinking people that got you the right to right, If the Capitalist had there way the only ones that would be allowed to vote would still be your Land owners, your business men, men with alot of wealth and Royality. The best ideas come from the ground for the majority and not from the sky. southy
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10:41am Thu 8 Nov 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect.

Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.
It's dawning on you that you'll never take power via the Ballot Box then? Like socialism the world over, power is taken by force or subterfuge.
It will be done though the Ballot box or is that beyond your comprehension, the Ballot bax is a Socialist sort of thing to do, The Capitalist do not want your to vote never have done, it was because of socialist ideals is why you can vote in the first place, and not kept the elite few. like it use to be.
Just think it was a Socialist Rose Luxeburg who triggered off events that got women the right to vote, in Lenin's Russia. you look though out history about government voting and you will find a Socialist thinking person/s that have made the changes.
Its Capitalism that is a force of subterfuge.
So your talk of revolution is just more hot air then?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.[/p][/quote]This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect. Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.[/p][/quote]It's dawning on you that you'll never take power via the Ballot Box then? Like socialism the world over, power is taken by force or subterfuge.[/p][/quote]It will be done though the Ballot box or is that beyond your comprehension, the Ballot bax is a Socialist sort of thing to do, The Capitalist do not want your to vote never have done, it was because of socialist ideals is why you can vote in the first place, and not kept the elite few. like it use to be. Just think it was a Socialist Rose Luxeburg who triggered off events that got women the right to vote, in Lenin's Russia. you look though out history about government voting and you will find a Socialist thinking person/s that have made the changes. Its Capitalism that is a force of subterfuge.[/p][/quote]So your talk of revolution is just more hot air then? Torchie1
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11:33am Thu 8 Nov 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.
This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect.

Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.
It's dawning on you that you'll never take power via the Ballot Box then? Like socialism the world over, power is taken by force or subterfuge.
It will be done though the Ballot box or is that beyond your comprehension, the Ballot bax is a Socialist sort of thing to do, The Capitalist do not want your to vote never have done, it was because of socialist ideals is why you can vote in the first place, and not kept the elite few. like it use to be.
Just think it was a Socialist Rose Luxeburg who triggered off events that got women the right to vote, in Lenin's Russia. you look though out history about government voting and you will find a Socialist thinking person/s that have made the changes.
Its Capitalism that is a force of subterfuge.
So your talk of revolution is just more hot air then?
No its as all ready started, the seeds was sown in the 80's.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Southy's predicted revolution has started. But is the wrong country.[/p][/quote]This Revolution that is coming is not just one country its loads of them, as it is triggered in one country so it will spill over to next country, just like a the dominos effect. Have you though of this, if we had be the ones to lead the way, then we would of been the ones in the control of things and the future design would of been the model that we would have designed.[/p][/quote]It's dawning on you that you'll never take power via the Ballot Box then? Like socialism the world over, power is taken by force or subterfuge.[/p][/quote]It will be done though the Ballot box or is that beyond your comprehension, the Ballot bax is a Socialist sort of thing to do, The Capitalist do not want your to vote never have done, it was because of socialist ideals is why you can vote in the first place, and not kept the elite few. like it use to be. Just think it was a Socialist Rose Luxeburg who triggered off events that got women the right to vote, in Lenin's Russia. you look though out history about government voting and you will find a Socialist thinking person/s that have made the changes. Its Capitalism that is a force of subterfuge.[/p][/quote]So your talk of revolution is just more hot air then?[/p][/quote]No its as all ready started, the seeds was sown in the 80's. southy
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12:47pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)
Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open.

One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things.

If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.
Southy, your information appears to be correct, and analysis is logical.

Biggest backers of capitalist system, the so called West led by USA by campaigning for global economic interdependent system, probably have done more for socialism than many tyrants who exploited it for their own need to stay in power.

One of the trick multinationals use is the to play nation against nations. Their loyalty to is not to their perceived home country, nor to any one individual or even certain family like of Ford, not even to reasonable profits but to too much greed. It is the money not economic stability of society that is dictating the terms.

They have been getting away with profiteering out of skilled labour at comparatively low cost in various nations, and when the cost rises they will whenever possible desert that base and shift to another where not only they pay less to workers but also extort money out of the host nations, ruled by both so called socialists and capitalists alike. And leave industrial deserts behind. As is happening in even USA itself.

This purely greed based economic system creates enormous divisions amongst nations and societies. Governments quarrel and wealth gap of populations in so called developing and upcoming countries like China and India (supposedly communist and socialist respectively) increases to intolerable levels.

This is bound to create crisis all over the globe, what has started in some continental countries may sound exciting to you and some of my other colleagues of the so called left in Britain but real answer to the pending problems is for world wide action, preferably led by democratically elected governments….BUT sadly major parts of political class all over our planet, although aware of the downside of multinationals, keep paying lip service to this menace but in fact do not challenge the concept.

So the other option on the table will eventually be action by ordinary people uniting and challenging the unlimited power of MNCs. I have the fear that in the absence of leaderships of likes of Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela that last stand may not actually be too pleasant for humanity.

Because revolutions out of the barrels of guns do not tend to last, while evolutions through peaceful means stand a better chance.

Finally I do not share your enthusiasm about developments in TUC’s executive committee. Most of these so called trade union leaders (apart from very few) will swim with the tide and lead the masses in the wrong direction. Their whole purpose in life is to fund their expensive life styles at the expense of union members and also help likes of Balls and Multiband Milliband.

These so called union leaders helped Kinnock, Blair and Brown in hijacking the only voice of British working people, The Labour Party, and turning it into another offshoot of the Tories, if masses follow them they will do the same again. That is why all of them have paid lip service to the plight of Ford workers, (Just like Cameron who in all fairness has also done the same) but have not coordinated global campaign against Ford Corporation. Sadly I can’t see that happening anytime soon either.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: One word sums them up CHILDISH that sort of behaviour will get them nowhere, do they really think that a company like Ford are bothered by this sort of behaviour it just reinforces the fact that they made the right decision to get rid of a load of trouble makers. I hope that people in Southampton can behave in a more responsible and dignified manner. (including southy)[/p][/quote]Whats the bets that they will get a better deal than they will in here, and that be down to one reason, they are willing to Strike for what is right. they might even win and keep the factory open. One thing for sure will happen, if you don't do any thing then nothing changes, but if you are prepare to take action then you stand a chance to change things. If you remember I did say last week that they went on strike in Europe, and they are staying out till at lest Nov 12th, when they will decide weather to extend the strike even longer and join other parts of Europe who are going out on Nov 14th in a General Strike (Theres 4 European countrys that I know off that deffently going out on a general strike on Nov 14th, with other European countrys still deciding), Looks like the UK will have a General strike later on, now that the TUC Board Committee have conceded to the calls from the rank and file after 12 mths, most want to go out on the same day as Europe, but the TUC broad is slowing it down.[/p][/quote]Southy, your information appears to be correct, and analysis is logical. Biggest backers of capitalist system, the so called West led by USA by campaigning for global economic interdependent system, probably have done more for socialism than many tyrants who exploited it for their own need to stay in power. One of the trick multinationals use is the to play nation against nations. Their loyalty to is not to their perceived home country, nor to any one individual or even certain family like of Ford, not even to reasonable profits but to too much greed. It is the money not economic stability of society that is dictating the terms. They have been getting away with profiteering out of skilled labour at comparatively low cost in various nations, and when the cost rises they will whenever possible desert that base and shift to another where not only they pay less to workers but also extort money out of the host nations, ruled by both so called socialists and capitalists alike. And leave industrial deserts behind. As is happening in even USA itself. This purely greed based economic system creates enormous divisions amongst nations and societies. Governments quarrel and wealth gap of populations in so called developing and upcoming countries like China and India (supposedly communist and socialist respectively) increases to intolerable levels. This is bound to create crisis all over the globe, what has started in some continental countries may sound exciting to you and some of my other colleagues of the so called left in Britain but real answer to the pending problems is for world wide action, preferably led by democratically elected governments….BUT sadly major parts of political class all over our planet, although aware of the downside of multinationals, keep paying lip service to this menace but in fact do not challenge the concept. So the other option on the table will eventually be action by ordinary people uniting and challenging the unlimited power of MNCs. I have the fear that in the absence of leaderships of likes of Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela that last stand may not actually be too pleasant for humanity. Because revolutions out of the barrels of guns do not tend to last, while evolutions through peaceful means stand a better chance. Finally I do not share your enthusiasm about developments in TUC’s executive committee. Most of these so called trade union leaders (apart from very few) will swim with the tide and lead the masses in the wrong direction. Their whole purpose in life is to fund their expensive life styles at the expense of union members and also help likes of Balls and Multiband Milliband. These so called union leaders helped Kinnock, Blair and Brown in hijacking the only voice of British working people, The Labour Party, and turning it into another offshoot of the Tories, if masses follow them they will do the same again. That is why all of them have paid lip service to the plight of Ford workers, (Just like Cameron who in all fairness has also done the same) but have not coordinated global campaign against Ford Corporation. Sadly I can’t see that happening anytime soon either. Paramjit Bahia
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2:59pm Thu 8 Nov 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia
You know well as I do, that the TUC board committee did not even want a March, Demo and Rally in London, they said no a few times before they buckled under the pressure of the rank and file and allowed the first one last year, and even manage to hold off this one this year for a few mths, and now they have buckled under the pressure of the call for a general strike, and thats all because of the rank and file pressure, one of the reasons was members saying we do not need your permission, they will act with the majority.
I think maybe only maybe that the tide as turned even with in the Unions and change is coming. I predicted this year, but looks like it will not happen till next year now because of Union Leaders right down to the area exc's are deliberitly slowing it down in the hope that they can gain recontroll of the rank and file, but that acted to little to late, this general strike should off been call in the 80's, like myself and others where calling for but got shouted down by the soft right wingers, many of them now are saying that we was right we should off had a general strike in the 80,s, it would of save us from all this suffering we getting today.
Paramjit Bahia You know well as I do, that the TUC board committee did not even want a March, Demo and Rally in London, they said no a few times before they buckled under the pressure of the rank and file and allowed the first one last year, and even manage to hold off this one this year for a few mths, and now they have buckled under the pressure of the call for a general strike, and thats all because of the rank and file pressure, one of the reasons was members saying we do not need your permission, they will act with the majority. I think maybe only maybe that the tide as turned even with in the Unions and change is coming. I predicted this year, but looks like it will not happen till next year now because of Union Leaders right down to the area exc's are deliberitly slowing it down in the hope that they can gain recontroll of the rank and file, but that acted to little to late, this general strike should off been call in the 80's, like myself and others where calling for but got shouted down by the soft right wingers, many of them now are saying that we was right we should off had a general strike in the 80,s, it would of save us from all this suffering we getting today. southy
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3:00pm Thu 8 Nov 12

southy says...

The last thing any true Socialist wants to see, is the return of Capitalist Communism.
The last thing any true Socialist wants to see, is the return of Capitalist Communism. southy
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