Boom in demand for Ford Transits brings Southampton plant near to capacity

Daily Echo: A Ford Sport Transit, as built in Southampton A Ford Sport Transit, as built in Southampton

PRODUCTION of the Southampton-built Ford Transit is surging back to near full capacity, according to company bosses.

Management have revealed that after a challenging 2010 they are now delighted with the tremendous performance of the Hampshire centre.

Ford of Britain commercial vehicle director Steve Clary said: “The plant is a tremendous success story and the quality is top class.”

Managing director Nigel Sharp said last year was a good year for the company with Transit sales up 26 per cent in a commercial vehicle market up 13 per cent but this year, with the company celebrating its centenary on March 8, is looking even better.

In a ‘state of the nation’ review of the motor industry, ahead of April’s first Commercial Vehicle Show for three years, he said: “This year, despite the VAT rise and fuel prices we can look forward with some confidence, with the pound recovering a little against the euro.

“In 2010 it was our 34th year leading the car market and 45th successive year leading commercial vehicle sales with Transit still the best-selling commercial, but there is some very good competition keen as mustard to chase us.

“In January commercial vehicle sales were up over 40 per cent, with medium commercials like Transit up 60 per cent.”

He said a lot of fleets and smaller operators had been putting off renewals but at last it was starting to return, the steep rise in fuel costs “attracting a magnifying glass to fuel economy”.

Mr Sharp said: “Southampton plant is putting in a tremendous performance with annual production up from 21,000 to 28,000 vehicles a year, with 55-57 per cent for export, so that the single shift is close to full capacity.”

Mr Clary said that the existing Transit vans and chassis cab units built in Southampton would be upgraded with a cleaner and more frugal Dagenham-built 2.2 litre Puma diesel engine later in the year – petrol engines are fitted in only one per cent of Transits now.

The hi-tech Puma unit, replacing three other engines, promises best-inclass CO2 emissions for Euro V regulation compliance and economy saving thousands of pounds.

He predicted that savings could range from £1,600 to £3,600 over 80,000 miles with new six-speed transmissions and service intervals of 50,000 miles or every two years.

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3:32pm Tue 22 Feb 11

DJ Teh says...

Good news for ford! Excellent.

I also want the sport transit please :)
Good news for ford! Excellent. I also want the sport transit please :) DJ Teh

3:37pm Tue 22 Feb 11

StEmmosfire says...

It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year. StEmmosfire

4:40pm Tue 22 Feb 11

Shoong says...

StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
[quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy! Shoong

5:00pm Tue 22 Feb 11

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there. southy

5:29pm Tue 22 Feb 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Perhaps with the unrest in the area it isn't such a good idea to go to Turkey!
Perhaps with the unrest in the area it isn't such a good idea to go to Turkey! OSPREYSAINT

5:38pm Tue 22 Feb 11

SpittingFire says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment.
.
The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton! SpittingFire

5:53pm Tue 22 Feb 11

southy says...

SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment.
.
The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.
[quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton![/p][/quote]its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off. southy

5:57pm Tue 22 Feb 11

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Perhaps with the unrest in the area it isn't such a good idea to go to Turkey!
oh that would be funny. transit move to turkey and the USA back government is kick out of office and replace with a socialist government in office and they nationalise turkey plant has well as the oil fields.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Perhaps with the unrest in the area it isn't such a good idea to go to Turkey![/p][/quote]oh that would be funny. transit move to turkey and the USA back government is kick out of office and replace with a socialist government in office and they nationalise turkey plant has well as the oil fields. southy

6:03pm Tue 22 Feb 11

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.
Any facts to back this up or just your usual 'speculation'?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton![/p][/quote]its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.[/p][/quote]Any facts to back this up or just your usual 'speculation'? phil maccavity

6:16pm Tue 22 Feb 11

SpittingFire says...

southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment.
.
The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.
I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton![/p][/quote]its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.[/p][/quote]I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days! SpittingFire

6:22pm Tue 22 Feb 11

southy says...

phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.
Any facts to back this up or just your usual 'speculation'?
try talking to people who work for transit, like i have. the same thing happened in the 80's recession, there was a small pick up on sale in cars for the home market while export sales was still dropping off, and then the homes sales came to an end has we sunk even deeper into the recession.
but this time your heading for a depression.
oh by the way i knew about this last week. and all that is happening here with the release of this info, is to try and boost public confidence that,s all. which will not work all it will do is demoralise the public even more when this small peek in sales drop off, and we start to slide even deeper in to economic slump.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton![/p][/quote]its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.[/p][/quote]Any facts to back this up or just your usual 'speculation'?[/p][/quote]try talking to people who work for transit, like i have. the same thing happened in the 80's recession, there was a small pick up on sale in cars for the home market while export sales was still dropping off, and then the homes sales came to an end has we sunk even deeper into the recession. but this time your heading for a depression. oh by the way i knew about this last week. and all that is happening here with the release of this info, is to try and boost public confidence that,s all. which will not work all it will do is demoralise the public even more when this small peek in sales drop off, and we start to slide even deeper in to economic slump. southy

6:25pm Tue 22 Feb 11

oldmac says...

Quote....Mr Sharp said: “Southampton plant is putting in a tremendous performance with annual production up from 21,000 to 28,000 vehicles a year...

Oh really...we struggling to hit targets every day due to undermaning/poor equipment/breakdowns and basically not being listened to by the management about whats going wrong with the plant.
These figures must be including turkey or a previous years...or maybe they are fiddled numbers just like we see everyday so it looks good on paper
Quote....Mr Sharp said: “Southampton plant is putting in a tremendous performance with annual production up from 21,000 to 28,000 vehicles a year... Oh really...we struggling to hit targets every day due to undermaning/poor equipment/breakdowns and basically not being listened to by the management about whats going wrong with the plant. These figures must be including turkey or a previous years...or maybe they are fiddled numbers just like we see everyday so it looks good on paper oldmac

6:26pm Tue 22 Feb 11

southy says...

SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment.
.
The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.
I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days!
yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL.
[quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton![/p][/quote]its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.[/p][/quote]I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days![/p][/quote]yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL. southy

6:40pm Tue 22 Feb 11

east stand terrace says...

southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment.
.
The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.
I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days!
yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL.
Just knew that you would mention your beloved maggie again. You really are one big yawn.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton![/p][/quote]its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.[/p][/quote]I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days![/p][/quote]yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL.[/p][/quote]Just knew that you would mention your beloved maggie again. You really are one big yawn. east stand terrace

7:00pm Tue 22 Feb 11

SpittingFire says...

oldmac wrote:
Quote....Mr Sharp said: “Southampton plant is putting in a tremendous performance with annual production up from 21,000 to 28,000 vehicles a year...

Oh really...we struggling to hit targets every day due to undermaning/poor equipment/breakdowns and basically not being listened to by the management about whats going wrong with the plant.
These figures must be including turkey or a previous years...or maybe they are fiddled numbers just like we see everyday so it looks good on paper
Quite right oldmac!
.
Even this Echo report paves the way for contradictions...

Echo - "Management have revealed that after a challenging 2010..."
.
But...
.
Mr Sharp Managing Director, He himself "said last year was a good year for the company"
.
Always got to watch what you read. Especially when it comes out of Murray's office in newsprint.
.
Just a Southy says, trying to boost public confidence, but like yourself, tales from the shop floor tell a different story.
[quote][p][bold]oldmac[/bold] wrote: Quote....Mr Sharp said: “Southampton plant is putting in a tremendous performance with annual production up from 21,000 to 28,000 vehicles a year... Oh really...we struggling to hit targets every day due to undermaning/poor equipment/breakdowns and basically not being listened to by the management about whats going wrong with the plant. These figures must be including turkey or a previous years...or maybe they are fiddled numbers just like we see everyday so it looks good on paper[/p][/quote]Quite right oldmac! . Even this Echo report paves the way for contradictions... Echo - "Management have revealed that after a challenging 2010..." . But... . Mr Sharp Managing Director, He himself "said last year was a good year for the company" . Always got to watch what you read. Especially when it comes out of Murray's office in newsprint. . Just a Southy says, trying to boost public confidence, but like yourself, tales from the shop floor tell a different story. SpittingFire

7:08pm Tue 22 Feb 11

cyber_fug says...

southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment.
.
The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.
I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days!
yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL.
How can maggie be responsible for poor quality vehicles that BL used to turn out ? There was more rust in them after 5 years than there was metal !
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton![/p][/quote]its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.[/p][/quote]I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days![/p][/quote]yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL.[/p][/quote]How can maggie be responsible for poor quality vehicles that BL used to turn out ? There was more rust in them after 5 years than there was metal ! cyber_fug

7:40pm Tue 22 Feb 11

X Old Bill says...

cyber_fug wrote:
southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment.
.
The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.
I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days!
yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL.
How can maggie be responsible for poor quality vehicles that BL used to turn out ? There was more rust in them after 5 years than there was metal !
Yes, I do believe that Southy is referring to the company that went bankrupt in 1975 and had to be bailed out by the Government, but still continued to produce cars which were poorly designed and built and with a depreciation graph that was nearly vertical.
You cannot just keep pouring money down a hole like that - Even the most ardent Socialist expects to break even at the very least.
As for their commercial vehicles - The farmers were the probably the target customers, at least they had a good supply of baler twine to hold them together.
[quote][p][bold]cyber_fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton![/p][/quote]its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.[/p][/quote]I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days![/p][/quote]yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL.[/p][/quote]How can maggie be responsible for poor quality vehicles that BL used to turn out ? There was more rust in them after 5 years than there was metal ![/p][/quote]Yes, I do believe that Southy is referring to the company that went bankrupt in 1975 and had to be bailed out by the Government, but still continued to produce cars which were poorly designed and built and with a depreciation graph that was nearly vertical. You cannot just keep pouring money down a hole like that - Even the most ardent Socialist expects to break even at the very least. As for their commercial vehicles - The farmers were the probably the target customers, at least they had a good supply of baler twine to hold them together. X Old Bill

8:03pm Tue 22 Feb 11

SpittingFire says...

I never knew baler twine had so many uses!
I never knew baler twine had so many uses! SpittingFire

8:38pm Tue 22 Feb 11

X Old Bill says...

SpittingFire wrote:
I never knew baler twine had so many uses!
Oh Yes - It's not just for holding your trousers up!
[quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: I never knew baler twine had so many uses![/p][/quote]Oh Yes - It's not just for holding your trousers up! X Old Bill

8:52pm Tue 22 Feb 11

SpittingFire says...

X Old Bill wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
I never knew baler twine had so many uses!
Oh Yes - It's not just for holding your trousers up!
Crikey, them farmers' have got it good!
[quote][p][bold]X Old Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: I never knew baler twine had so many uses![/p][/quote]Oh Yes - It's not just for holding your trousers up![/p][/quote]Crikey, them farmers' have got it good! SpittingFire

9:05pm Tue 22 Feb 11

southy says...

X Old Bill wrote:
cyber_fug wrote:
southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
SpittingFire wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.
Great attitude! That'a boy!
no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.
At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment.
.
The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton!
its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.
I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days!
yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL.
How can maggie be responsible for poor quality vehicles that BL used to turn out ? There was more rust in them after 5 years than there was metal !
Yes, I do believe that Southy is referring to the company that went bankrupt in 1975 and had to be bailed out by the Government, but still continued to produce cars which were poorly designed and built and with a depreciation graph that was nearly vertical.
You cannot just keep pouring money down a hole like that - Even the most ardent Socialist expects to break even at the very least.
As for their commercial vehicles - The farmers were the probably the target customers, at least they had a good supply of baler twine to hold them together.
BL had one of the best exports for cars they was up in the top with fords, GM. BL cars lasted a lot longer than fords did on british roads, with out any rust there life expectancy was longer than any other car in countrys that used salt in the winter on the roads. it was because they lasted so long people did not buy so often, today society is a throw away society where goods do not last no where near has long. BL and there designs where more practical and they done more miles to gallon to engine size, and the only company that done better to BL on mpg was citroen.
your more likely to use baler twine on modern cars than you where on older cars, BL just check had the highest export for cars in europe in the 70's.
use to often see a BL car towing a Ford or Ford being pushed to get it started in the winter it was the norm. world best selling car was a BL.
[quote][p][bold]X Old Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cyber_fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's a shame it is most likely to plummit again by the end of the year.[/p][/quote]Great attitude! That'a boy![/p][/quote]no he right, the turkey plant is not fully up and running yet, they have teething problems there.[/p][/quote]At least things sound better at the Swaythling plant for the moment. . The Transit panel van will be moved over to Turkey come 2012 last I heard, and we'll be left with making chassis cabs. A sad day for Southampton that'll be. Best of luck for the future all at Ford Southampton![/p][/quote]its only the home market pick up a little bit, the export is still dropping off.[/p][/quote]I remember the Transit ads from a few years ago; "Transit. Backbone of Britain" was the catchline. Those were the days![/p][/quote]yes big turn around now, but those days fords had no real competition, they had the home market sow up, with maggie destruction of BL.[/p][/quote]How can maggie be responsible for poor quality vehicles that BL used to turn out ? There was more rust in them after 5 years than there was metal ![/p][/quote]Yes, I do believe that Southy is referring to the company that went bankrupt in 1975 and had to be bailed out by the Government, but still continued to produce cars which were poorly designed and built and with a depreciation graph that was nearly vertical. You cannot just keep pouring money down a hole like that - Even the most ardent Socialist expects to break even at the very least. As for their commercial vehicles - The farmers were the probably the target customers, at least they had a good supply of baler twine to hold them together.[/p][/quote]BL had one of the best exports for cars they was up in the top with fords, GM. BL cars lasted a lot longer than fords did on british roads, with out any rust there life expectancy was longer than any other car in countrys that used salt in the winter on the roads. it was because they lasted so long people did not buy so often, today society is a throw away society where goods do not last no where near has long. BL and there designs where more practical and they done more miles to gallon to engine size, and the only company that done better to BL on mpg was citroen. your more likely to use baler twine on modern cars than you where on older cars, BL just check had the highest export for cars in europe in the 70's. use to often see a BL car towing a Ford or Ford being pushed to get it started in the winter it was the norm. world best selling car was a BL. southy

10:23pm Tue 22 Feb 11

phil maccavity says...

Well most of this Southy's post is, as usual, pure conjecture.
What is absolute nonsense is the suggestion that...............
'BL had the highest export for cars (sic) in europe in the 70's'
The UK produced only produced an average of 600,00 cars in the 70's of which approx 50% were exported.
Germany produced an average 3m cars of which VW and Opel exported more than any British manufacturer.
The old fool goes onto say
'worlds best selling car was a BL'...
Because of dreadful build quality, poor design and attrocious strike records, the UK car manufacturers in the 70's were miles behind Italy, France, Japan, Germany and alongside Canada.
The USA outstripped them all with between 6-8million cars produced in the 70's.
Source, if Southy wants to look up, is the World Automotive Statistics book!!
Well most of this Southy's post is, as usual, pure conjecture. What is absolute nonsense is the suggestion that............... 'BL had the highest export for cars (sic) in europe in the 70's' The UK produced only produced an average of 600,00 cars in the 70's of which approx 50% were exported. Germany produced an average 3m cars of which VW and Opel exported more than any British manufacturer. The old fool goes onto say 'worlds best selling car was a BL'... Because of dreadful build quality, poor design and attrocious strike records, the UK car manufacturers in the 70's were miles behind Italy, France, Japan, Germany and alongside Canada. The USA outstripped them all with between 6-8million cars produced in the 70's. Source, if Southy wants to look up, is the World Automotive Statistics book!! phil maccavity

10:37pm Tue 22 Feb 11

east stand terrace says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Well most of this Southy's post is, as usual, pure conjecture.
What is absolute nonsense is the suggestion that...............
'BL had the highest export for cars (sic) in europe in the 70's'
The UK produced only produced an average of 600,00 cars in the 70's of which approx 50% were exported.
Germany produced an average 3m cars of which VW and Opel exported more than any British manufacturer.
The old fool goes onto say
'worlds best selling car was a BL'...
Because of dreadful build quality, poor design and attrocious strike records, the UK car manufacturers in the 70's were miles behind Italy, France, Japan, Germany and alongside Canada.
The USA outstripped them all with between 6-8million cars produced in the 70's.
Source, if Southy wants to look up, is the World Automotive Statistics book!!
Steady on Phil, now you've rubbished southys usual drivel with cold hard facts he wont be back.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Well most of this Southy's post is, as usual, pure conjecture. What is absolute nonsense is the suggestion that............... 'BL had the highest export for cars (sic) in europe in the 70's' The UK produced only produced an average of 600,00 cars in the 70's of which approx 50% were exported. Germany produced an average 3m cars of which VW and Opel exported more than any British manufacturer. The old fool goes onto say 'worlds best selling car was a BL'... Because of dreadful build quality, poor design and attrocious strike records, the UK car manufacturers in the 70's were miles behind Italy, France, Japan, Germany and alongside Canada. The USA outstripped them all with between 6-8million cars produced in the 70's. Source, if Southy wants to look up, is the World Automotive Statistics book!![/p][/quote]Steady on Phil, now you've rubbished southys usual drivel with cold hard facts he wont be back. east stand terrace

3:19am Wed 23 Feb 11

southy says...

he can't rubbish facts, the mini in the 70,s, and the 3 biggest sellers was morris mini, austin mini, and the mini cooper made in 11 different countries, the mini's and the VW beetle was the only models that made the car production rally's just by sales alone, all other models that got to the production rally's could only do it on production and could not make it on sales, a lot of car company,s use to produce high number cars, just to be able to take part in the production rally's, most of those cars ended up in fields to be left for 2 years before getting scrap, renault and fords was famous for doing that.
variates of the mini was clubman, countryman, traveler, moke, pickup, van, gt, cooper-s and the wolseley hornet and the riley elf, the mini van sold 1/2 million in the 70's.
other well selling cars from BL in the 70's was MG, MGB, MGBT, trumph, daimler, bentley, RR, princess jags and a few more.
the mini had fords that worried they took one and pulled it apart and came up with that they could not build car of this size, that was well made for the price it sold for, and for fords to do so would cost them £30 per car in loses, if they tried to compete with the mini. in the mid 80's the mini went down hill after the sale off and the asset stripping braking up BL.

the nearest contender to the ford transit was the bedford CA in the uk in the 70s and 80's. BL had a new design for a van to replace the D and J class vans, but was never made under BL, it came out under layland daff.
he can't rubbish facts, the mini in the 70,s, and the 3 biggest sellers was morris mini, austin mini, and the mini cooper made in 11 different countries, the mini's and the VW beetle was the only models that made the car production rally's just by sales alone, all other models that got to the production rally's could only do it on production and could not make it on sales, a lot of car company,s use to produce high number cars, just to be able to take part in the production rally's, most of those cars ended up in fields to be left for 2 years before getting scrap, renault and fords was famous for doing that. variates of the mini was clubman, countryman, traveler, moke, pickup, van, gt, cooper-s and the wolseley hornet and the riley elf, the mini van sold 1/2 million in the 70's. other well selling cars from BL in the 70's was MG, MGB, MGBT, trumph, daimler, bentley, RR, princess jags and a few more. the mini had fords that worried they took one and pulled it apart and came up with that they could not build car of this size, that was well made for the price it sold for, and for fords to do so would cost them £30 per car in loses, if they tried to compete with the mini. in the mid 80's the mini went down hill after the sale off and the asset stripping braking up BL. the nearest contender to the ford transit was the bedford CA in the uk in the 70s and 80's. BL had a new design for a van to replace the D and J class vans, but was never made under BL, it came out under layland daff. southy

10:11am Wed 23 Feb 11

phil maccavity says...

So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense.
Go on name the countries..
You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense
The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972.
Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!.
BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin.
As usual your facts are incorrect.
Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!!
If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories.
Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution
So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense. Go on name the countries.. You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972. Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!. BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin. As usual your facts are incorrect. Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!! If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories. Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution phil maccavity

11:04am Wed 23 Feb 11

east stand terrace says...

Sorry Phil I was wrong about him coming back after stating cold hard facts. What i wasn't wrong about was the drivel that he spouts. As you say RR and Bentley were never part of the BL group. Southy, you know everything about nothing.
Sorry Phil I was wrong about him coming back after stating cold hard facts. What i wasn't wrong about was the drivel that he spouts. As you say RR and Bentley were never part of the BL group. Southy, you know everything about nothing. east stand terrace

11:31am Wed 23 Feb 11

phil maccavity says...

A change of medication sometimes helps!!
A change of medication sometimes helps!! phil maccavity

1:34pm Wed 23 Feb 11

Ant Smoking MP says...

phil maccavity wrote:
So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense.
Go on name the countries..
You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense
The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972.
Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!.
BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin.
As usual your facts are incorrect.
Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!!
If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories.
Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution
I agree with everything there apart from the rubbish in the last para about Derek Robinson. I notice you say nothing about the awful management at BL at the time who often created situations that provoked disputes? There are always two sides to every story. You just choose the side that confirm and backs up your political beliefs..
.
I by the way have owned a Metro and a Marina. They werent brilliant at all. Personally Ford were best. I owned a Capri and then an Orian and a Mondeo. All good reliable motors.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense. Go on name the countries.. You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972. Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!. BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin. As usual your facts are incorrect. Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!! If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories. Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution[/p][/quote]I agree with everything there apart from the rubbish in the last para about Derek Robinson. I notice you say nothing about the awful management at BL at the time who often created situations that provoked disputes? There are always two sides to every story. You just choose the side that confirm and backs up your political beliefs.. . I by the way have owned a Metro and a Marina. They werent brilliant at all. Personally Ford were best. I owned a Capri and then an Orian and a Mondeo. All good reliable motors. Ant Smoking MP

1:35pm Wed 23 Feb 11

southy says...

phil maccavity wrote:
So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense.
Go on name the countries..
You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense
The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972.
Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!.
BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin.
As usual your facts are incorrect.
Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!!
If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories.
Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution
oh boy you know very little, shall i start you off with a few countries that made minis, lets see try spain, portugal, belgium, south africa, australia, new zealand, chile. theres 7 for you and that,s off the top of my head with out looking it up.
the rest i not going to bother with because your so full of right-wing false propaganda BS.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense. Go on name the countries.. You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972. Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!. BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin. As usual your facts are incorrect. Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!! If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories. Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution[/p][/quote]oh boy you know very little, shall i start you off with a few countries that made minis, lets see try spain, portugal, belgium, south africa, australia, new zealand, chile. theres 7 for you and that,s off the top of my head with out looking it up. the rest i not going to bother with because your so full of right-wing false propaganda BS. southy

1:46pm Wed 23 Feb 11

southy says...

BL also ended owning the italian innocenti company who all so made minis, production of minis ended in 1976 there, but they carried on with the kit cars that had mini base, they also made some of the rarer minis.
BL overseas production came to an end in 1983, when BL was being asset strip by the government and sold off.
BL also ended owning the italian innocenti company who all so made minis, production of minis ended in 1976 there, but they carried on with the kit cars that had mini base, they also made some of the rarer minis. BL overseas production came to an end in 1983, when BL was being asset strip by the government and sold off. southy

1:47pm Wed 23 Feb 11

east stand terrace says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense.
Go on name the countries..
You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense
The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972.
Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!.
BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin.
As usual your facts are incorrect.
Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!!
If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories.
Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution
oh boy you know very little, shall i start you off with a few countries that made minis, lets see try spain, portugal, belgium, south africa, australia, new zealand, chile. theres 7 for you and that,s off the top of my head with out looking it up.
the rest i not going to bother with because your so full of right-wing false propaganda BS.
So then Lenin/Trotsky, sorry I mean Southy, are you going to acknowledge your error in stating that RR and Bentley were part of BL or not. Once again you are the one talking BS
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense. Go on name the countries.. You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972. Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!. BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin. As usual your facts are incorrect. Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!! If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories. Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution[/p][/quote]oh boy you know very little, shall i start you off with a few countries that made minis, lets see try spain, portugal, belgium, south africa, australia, new zealand, chile. theres 7 for you and that,s off the top of my head with out looking it up. the rest i not going to bother with because your so full of right-wing false propaganda BS.[/p][/quote]So then Lenin/Trotsky, sorry I mean Southy, are you going to acknowledge your error in stating that RR and Bentley were part of BL or not. Once again you are the one talking BS east stand terrace

2:53pm Wed 23 Feb 11

X Old Bill says...

Sticking with the topic of vans:
I have driven a variety of Transit size vans over the years.
The of Austin/Morris J2 and J4 were really awful slow rattly boxes with hopeless handling when loaded. I recall that with the J2 one could roll a fag while waiting to get into 3rd gear.
When the transit arrived it was a joy to drive, 'just like a car' until one tried to stop - They did sort the brakes out after awhile.
The Bedford CF was the only real Transit alternative, very similar in equipment and handling.
Nowadays the Mercedes Sprinter has the edge.
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Back to BL - The Mini was built in the UK, Australia, Belgium, Chile, Portugal, South Africa, Uruguay, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, In Italy as the Innocenti, and in Spain as the Authi, in both cases to get around those countries import restrictions.
So it was 11 countries, but not for the Cooper which were UK built.
Under the Rover and Triumph badges BL also build Hondas - The Honda engines were good but the rest was pretty awful (personal experience).
And - The top selling car in the UK for most of the 70s and 80s was the Ford Escort, as I recall, which made homologation quite a simple process.
Sticking with the topic of vans: I have driven a variety of Transit size vans over the years. The of Austin/Morris J2 and J4 were really awful slow rattly boxes with hopeless handling when loaded. I recall that with the J2 one could roll a fag while waiting to get into 3rd gear. When the transit arrived it was a joy to drive, 'just like a car' until one tried to stop - They did sort the brakes out after awhile. The Bedford CF was the only real Transit alternative, very similar in equipment and handling. Nowadays the Mercedes Sprinter has the edge. . Back to BL - The Mini was built in the UK, Australia, Belgium, Chile, Portugal, South Africa, Uruguay, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, In Italy as the Innocenti, and in Spain as the Authi, in both cases to get around those countries import restrictions. So it was 11 countries, but not for the Cooper which were UK built. Under the Rover and Triumph badges BL also build Hondas - The Honda engines were good but the rest was pretty awful (personal experience). And - The top selling car in the UK for most of the 70s and 80s was the Ford Escort, as I recall, which made homologation quite a simple process. X Old Bill

6:51pm Wed 23 Feb 11

Ant Smoking MP says...

phil maccavity wrote:
So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense.
Go on name the countries..
You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense
The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972.
Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!.
BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin.
As usual your facts are incorrect.
Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!!
If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories.
Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution
Please check here
.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Mini
.
to see all the countries the Mini were one time manufactured in. I know Southy can be irritating but he has a point about were the Mini was manufactured.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense. Go on name the countries.. You reckon the Mini Van sold half a million in the 70's. Nonsense The best year for UK car producrion in the 70's was 1.9m in 1972. Approx 40% of this figure were produced in the various BL factories and 50% went for export. So BL, at best, exported about 380,000 vehicles per year in the 70's, of which a large proportion were Land Rovers!!. BL comprised 10 major brands ie Jaguar, Daimler, Rover (incl Land Rover), Triumph, Riley,Wolseley, Standard (later merged with Truimph), MG, Morris, Austin. As usual your facts are incorrect. Bentley and Rolls Royce were never part of B Leyland!!!! If you reckon that BL were well made cars you never had the opportunity to drive a Marina,Allegro, Maxi, Princess or any of the rubbish that came out of the various British factories. Meanwhile people like Red Robbo (proabaly a hero of yours) was creating mayhem in the BL car factories and hastening the demise of a once proud British manufacturing institution[/p][/quote]Please check here . http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Mini . to see all the countries the Mini were one time manufactured in. I know Southy can be irritating but he has a point about were the Mini was manufactured. Ant Smoking MP

8:00pm Wed 23 Feb 11

phil maccavity says...

There is a difference between Manufacture and Assembly
Minis were assembled abroad not manufactured!!
Body shells and parts were shipped abroad to be assembled locally.
Sometimes supplemented by parts manufactured in the country of assembly, if available.
Hillmans (produced in Coventry and part of the Rootes Group) were another make sent abroad as CKD packs to be assembled.
A good many of these under the Hillman Hunter marque were shipped to Persia (Iran) as part of a big export deal in the 70/80's and apparently still about in reasonable numbers like the Morris Isis in India
There is a difference between Manufacture and Assembly Minis were assembled abroad not manufactured!! Body shells and parts were shipped abroad to be assembled locally. Sometimes supplemented by parts manufactured in the country of assembly, if available. Hillmans (produced in Coventry and part of the Rootes Group) were another make sent abroad as CKD packs to be assembled. A good many of these under the Hillman Hunter marque were shipped to Persia (Iran) as part of a big export deal in the 70/80's and apparently still about in reasonable numbers like the Morris Isis in India phil maccavity

8:13pm Wed 23 Feb 11

Militant Ford Worker says...

In 2008 the capacity of the plant was 80,000 over two shifts - so how does Mr Sharp figure that 28,000 units is 'capacity' for one shift?
I make that 12,000 units under capacity.
Perhaps he is confusing the term 'schedule' with 'capacity'???
In 2008 the capacity of the plant was 80,000 over two shifts - so how does Mr Sharp figure that 28,000 units is 'capacity' for one shift? I make that 12,000 units under capacity. Perhaps he is confusing the term 'schedule' with 'capacity'??? Militant Ford Worker

8:39pm Wed 23 Feb 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Militant Ford Worker wrote:
In 2008 the capacity of the plant was 80,000 over two shifts - so how does Mr Sharp figure that 28,000 units is 'capacity' for one shift? I make that 12,000 units under capacity. Perhaps he is confusing the term 'schedule' with 'capacity'???
You are forgetting our old mutual freiend Alf Ensafety, no doubt so many petty restrictions it reduces production a treat!
[quote][p][bold]Militant Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: In 2008 the capacity of the plant was 80,000 over two shifts - so how does Mr Sharp figure that 28,000 units is 'capacity' for one shift? I make that 12,000 units under capacity. Perhaps he is confusing the term 'schedule' with 'capacity'???[/p][/quote]You are forgetting our old mutual freiend Alf Ensafety, no doubt so many petty restrictions it reduces production a treat! OSPREYSAINT

9:31pm Wed 23 Feb 11

Ant Smoking MP says...

phil maccavity wrote:
There is a difference between Manufacture and Assembly
Minis were assembled abroad not manufactured!!
Body shells and parts were shipped abroad to be assembled locally.
Sometimes supplemented by parts manufactured in the country of assembly, if available.
Hillmans (produced in Coventry and part of the Rootes Group) were another make sent abroad as CKD packs to be assembled.
A good many of these under the Hillman Hunter marque were shipped to Persia (Iran) as part of a big export deal in the 70/80's and apparently still about in reasonable numbers like the Morris Isis in India
You said
"So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense."
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You didnt say assembly or manufacture. You disputed the 11 countries bit evident in the quote above.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: There is a difference between Manufacture and Assembly Minis were assembled abroad not manufactured!! Body shells and parts were shipped abroad to be assembled locally. Sometimes supplemented by parts manufactured in the country of assembly, if available. Hillmans (produced in Coventry and part of the Rootes Group) were another make sent abroad as CKD packs to be assembled. A good many of these under the Hillman Hunter marque were shipped to Persia (Iran) as part of a big export deal in the 70/80's and apparently still about in reasonable numbers like the Morris Isis in India[/p][/quote]You said "So the Mini was made in 11 different countries?? What utter nonsense." . You didnt say assembly or manufacture. You disputed the 11 countries bit evident in the quote above. Ant Smoking MP

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