ABP to remove collapsed section of Southampton's Royal Pier

Daily Echo: The collapsed section of Southampton's Royal Pier The collapsed section of Southampton's Royal Pier

A COLLAPSED section of Southampton’s historic Royal Pier will have to be cleared, port bosses have said.

ABP said they would requisition a barge to remove the mangled 30m wreck, which fell into the sea on Thursday.

However, port director Doug Morrison once again refused to commit the £4m needed to demolish what’s left of the structure.

“At the moment we are trying to mobilise a barge that can come in and remove the part that collapsed.

Because of the state of the Royal Pier we have to do it from the sea,”

he said.

The 177-year-old former landmark, which was destroyed in a fire in 1992, was last week branded an “embarrassment” by local businesses.

Restaurateur Kuti Miah, who spent £1.5m on renovating the pier’s abandoned old gatehouse into Kuti’s Royal Thai Pier, called on ABP and Southampton City Council to remove the remains.

Mr Morrison said ABP was working with the council to find a developer to transform the entire waterfront site. The selected builder would be expected to pay for the cost of clearing the pier.

“To remove it would cost between £3m and £4m. If possible, we want to do that as part of an overall development,” he said.

“To just spend the money ourselves would not make economic sense. The problem is that the piles have to removed, not just the decking.

“It’s not just a case of coming along and pulling the thing out, they were put there to last.”

The council, along with ABP and the Crown Estate, is seeking proposals to ensure a permanent and improved site for the International Boat Show and better public pedestrian access to the waterfront.

The 60-acre development could feature offices, hotels, restaurants, shops, luxury flats, marina, indoor arena and a Las Vegas-style casino.

Councillor Royston Smith, deputy leader of the council, said July 18 was the deadline for developers to submit their bids.

“The collapse of the pier demonstrates how important it is that we get the remains pulled down and replaced with something that people will be proud of,” he said.

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10:41am Thu 10 Jun 10

Linesman says...

In Primary School, quite a few years ago, we used to sing, 'London Bridge is falling down!'

Years later it was sold to an American and was rebuilt out there.

If we get the kids to sing, 'Royal Pier is falling down!' perhaps some rich American will follow suite, buy it and rebuild it out there.

Who knows, maybe the City Council would make enough profit to fund the building of the Titanic Museum on the site.
In Primary School, quite a few years ago, we used to sing, 'London Bridge is falling down!' Years later it was sold to an American and was rebuilt out there. If we get the kids to sing, 'Royal Pier is falling down!' perhaps some rich American will follow suite, buy it and rebuild it out there. Who knows, maybe the City Council would make enough profit to fund the building of the Titanic Museum on the site. Linesman
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10:54am Thu 10 Jun 10

StEmmosfire says...

Knock it done and replace it with something thats new, fresh, innovative, modern...... I propose luxury flats, I mean apartments!
Knock it done and replace it with something thats new, fresh, innovative, modern...... I propose luxury flats, I mean apartments! StEmmosfire
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10:55am Thu 10 Jun 10

stmarysmush says...

Why do have to pull out the piles ? Why cant you just cut them off at the sea bed ? not exactly deep water is it i reckon i could do it in me snorkel. then just pull out oaa the rubbish on a barge. Easy these demolition people make it a bigger job than it needs to be. Come on Royston stop taking a back hander and get someone who can do the job for a quarter the price.
Why do have to pull out the piles ? Why cant you just cut them off at the sea bed ? not exactly deep water is it i reckon i could do it in me snorkel. then just pull out oaa the rubbish on a barge. Easy these demolition people make it a bigger job than it needs to be. Come on Royston stop taking a back hander and get someone who can do the job for a quarter the price. stmarysmush
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11:03am Thu 10 Jun 10

Shoong says...

Would it not be more cost effective just to tear the whole thing down now?
Would it not be more cost effective just to tear the whole thing down now? Shoong
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11:18am Thu 10 Jun 10

Zeo says...

Still think we (the public) should buy it and do it up with what we want and not what we don't want. Any one got a rich uncle?
Still think we (the public) should buy it and do it up with what we want and not what we don't want. Any one got a rich uncle? Zeo
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11:26am Thu 10 Jun 10

southy says...

stmarysmush wrote:
Why do have to pull out the piles ? Why cant you just cut them off at the sea bed ? not exactly deep water is it i reckon i could do it in me snorkel. then just pull out oaa the rubbish on a barge. Easy these demolition people make it a bigger job than it needs to be. Come on Royston stop taking a back hander and get someone who can do the job for a quarter the price.
it be easyier to pull the piles up than to cut below the water line.
how much profit money do abpj make each year, and they are not willing to pay 4 million just to remove the pier, just go's to show what sort off company abpj is, make sure the wealthy done lose any money. but make others pay for there mess that they own.
[quote][p][bold]stmarysmush[/bold] wrote: Why do have to pull out the piles ? Why cant you just cut them off at the sea bed ? not exactly deep water is it i reckon i could do it in me snorkel. then just pull out oaa the rubbish on a barge. Easy these demolition people make it a bigger job than it needs to be. Come on Royston stop taking a back hander and get someone who can do the job for a quarter the price.[/p][/quote]it be easyier to pull the piles up than to cut below the water line. how much profit money do abpj make each year, and they are not willing to pay 4 million just to remove the pier, just go's to show what sort off company abpj is, make sure the wealthy done lose any money. but make others pay for there mess that they own. southy
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11:32am Thu 10 Jun 10

Stillness says...

Shoong wrote:
Would it not be more cost effective just to tear the whole thing down now?
Perzacely my view. At some time its going to have to be paid for. So why not let's wait until the cost goes up. Someone is looking on making a killing on this job.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Would it not be more cost effective just to tear the whole thing down now?[/p][/quote]Perzacely my view. At some time its going to have to be paid for. So why not let's wait until the cost goes up. Someone is looking on making a killing on this job. Stillness
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11:50am Thu 10 Jun 10

southy says...

the pier could be rebuilt with out, the hire off a barge.
the pier could be rebuilt with out, the hire off a barge. southy
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12:05pm Thu 10 Jun 10

southy says...

how many people would put in the time to rebuild the pier, free. has long that abpj and the council would have no say in it. and was left to the people off southampton to control and run it. sticking to the same building lines has it was when it it was completed.
how many people would put in the time to rebuild the pier, free. has long that abpj and the council would have no say in it. and was left to the people off southampton to control and run it. sticking to the same building lines has it was when it it was completed. southy
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12:24pm Thu 10 Jun 10

Jammy Donut says...

Just Nuke Southampton and start from scratch with a planning committee that know what their doing
Just Nuke Southampton and start from scratch with a planning committee that know what their doing Jammy Donut
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12:36pm Thu 10 Jun 10

LBSOTON says...

Pier today, gone tomorrow!
Pier today, gone tomorrow! LBSOTON
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1:21pm Thu 10 Jun 10

allsaintsnocurves says...

so it could feature...offices, hotels, restaurants, shops, luxury flats, marina, indoor arena and a Las Vegas-style casino.

wow...that's going to attract the whole of southampton like a magnet!!
Offices...everywhere i look there's empty offices to let.
Hotels...Ocean Village and West Quay phase 2 are already building top hotels.
Restaurants...yet again more going into West Quay phase 2
Shops - West Quay...getting the idea now?
Luxury Flats - Well Ocean Village went down that route...can we keep 1 area of town void of Flats and Offices!
Marina and indoor marina...and Las Vegas casino could be nice. They need to rebuild the pier into a California style Boulevard that can draw people down there! I don't hold out much hope.
so it could feature...offices, hotels, restaurants, shops, luxury flats, marina, indoor arena and a Las Vegas-style casino. wow...that's going to attract the whole of southampton like a magnet!! Offices...everywhere i look there's empty offices to let. Hotels...Ocean Village and West Quay phase 2 are already building top hotels. Restaurants...yet again more going into West Quay phase 2 Shops - West Quay...getting the idea now? Luxury Flats - Well Ocean Village went down that route...can we keep 1 area of town void of Flats and Offices! Marina and indoor marina...and Las Vegas casino could be nice. They need to rebuild the pier into a California style Boulevard that can draw people down there! I don't hold out much hope. allsaintsnocurves
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1:28pm Thu 10 Jun 10

greengal says...

Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there!
It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open!
Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!!
Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!! greengal
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1:44pm Thu 10 Jun 10

southy says...

greengal wrote:
Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there!
It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open!
Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!!
portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water)
all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.
[quote][p][bold]greengal[/bold] wrote: Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!![/p][/quote]portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water) all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk. southy
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5:32pm Thu 10 Jun 10

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
greengal wrote: Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!!
portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water) all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.
I would have thought that you would have been in favour of the City Council wanting to Americanise the City Southy.
The Yanks have taken our language and crucified it, and that is something you regularly do.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greengal[/bold] wrote: Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!![/p][/quote]portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water) all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.[/p][/quote]I would have thought that you would have been in favour of the City Council wanting to Americanise the City Southy. The Yanks have taken our language and crucified it, and that is something you regularly do. Linesman
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5:47pm Thu 10 Jun 10

RobJChase says...

southy wrote:
greengal wrote:
Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there!
It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open!
Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!!
portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water)
all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.
Southy,
There is no beach on the River Test. I think you must mean the beach at Weston known as Weston Shore which IS on the bank of Southampton Water.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greengal[/bold] wrote: Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!![/p][/quote]portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water) all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.[/p][/quote]Southy, There is no beach on the River Test. I think you must mean the beach at Weston known as Weston Shore which IS on the bank of Southampton Water. RobJChase
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6:26pm Thu 10 Jun 10

southy says...

RobJChase wrote:
southy wrote:
greengal wrote:
Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there!
It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open!
Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!!
portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water)
all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.
Southy,
There is no beach on the River Test. I think you must mean the beach at Weston known as Weston Shore which IS on the bank of Southampton Water.
southampton water is just a small stretch off the river test, and a local waters name, has the river test is the major river over the itchen. it is the one that is named to flow into the sea. southampton water is also known has test estuary.
[quote][p][bold]RobJChase[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greengal[/bold] wrote: Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!![/p][/quote]portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water) all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.[/p][/quote]Southy, There is no beach on the River Test. I think you must mean the beach at Weston known as Weston Shore which IS on the bank of Southampton Water.[/p][/quote]southampton water is just a small stretch off the river test, and a local waters name, has the river test is the major river over the itchen. it is the one that is named to flow into the sea. southampton water is also known has test estuary. southy
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6:30pm Thu 10 Jun 10

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
greengal wrote: Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!!
portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water) all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.
I would have thought that you would have been in favour of the City Council wanting to Americanise the City Southy.
The Yanks have taken our language and crucified it, and that is something you regularly do.
interesting but did you know that the english crucified there own language also, 17?? something they standardlize the english language.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greengal[/bold] wrote: Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!![/p][/quote]portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water) all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.[/p][/quote]I would have thought that you would have been in favour of the City Council wanting to Americanise the City Southy. The Yanks have taken our language and crucified it, and that is something you regularly do.[/p][/quote]interesting but did you know that the english crucified there own language also, 17?? something they standardlize the english language. southy
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8:08pm Thu 10 Jun 10

Westsidestory says...

Linesman wrote:
In Primary School, quite a few years ago, we used to sing, 'London Bridge is falling down!' Years later it was sold to an American and was rebuilt out there. If we get the kids to sing, 'Royal Pier is falling down!' perhaps some rich American will follow suite, buy it and rebuild it out there. Who knows, maybe the City Council would make enough profit to fund the building of the Titanic Museum on the site.
If you think that we own, think again, it's about as English as a British Gas. Rolls Royce, and Cadburys Chocolate etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: In Primary School, quite a few years ago, we used to sing, 'London Bridge is falling down!' Years later it was sold to an American and was rebuilt out there. If we get the kids to sing, 'Royal Pier is falling down!' perhaps some rich American will follow suite, buy it and rebuild it out there. Who knows, maybe the City Council would make enough profit to fund the building of the Titanic Museum on the site.[/p][/quote]If you think that we own, think again, it's about as English as a British Gas. Rolls Royce, and Cadburys Chocolate etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Westsidestory
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10:59pm Thu 10 Jun 10

veracity says...

southy wrote:
RobJChase wrote:
southy wrote:
greengal wrote:
Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there!
It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open!
Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!!
portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water)
all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.
Southy,
There is no beach on the River Test. I think you must mean the beach at Weston known as Weston Shore which IS on the bank of Southampton Water.
southampton water is just a small stretch off the river test, and a local waters name, has the river test is the major river over the itchen. it is the one that is named to flow into the sea. southampton water is also known has test estuary.
Wrong as usual

Soton Water streches form the confluence of the Rivers Itchen and Test (at Dock Head) to the Solent off the IOW
btw you never replied to my question about the limits of the port on another thread. Obviously you didnt know the answer (as usual!!)
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobJChase[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greengal[/bold] wrote: Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!![/p][/quote]portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water) all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.[/p][/quote]Southy, There is no beach on the River Test. I think you must mean the beach at Weston known as Weston Shore which IS on the bank of Southampton Water.[/p][/quote]southampton water is just a small stretch off the river test, and a local waters name, has the river test is the major river over the itchen. it is the one that is named to flow into the sea. southampton water is also known has test estuary.[/p][/quote]Wrong as usual Soton Water streches form the confluence of the Rivers Itchen and Test (at Dock Head) to the Solent off the IOW btw you never replied to my question about the limits of the port on another thread. Obviously you didnt know the answer (as usual!!) veracity
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1:43am Fri 11 Jun 10

southy says...

veracity wrote:
southy wrote:
RobJChase wrote:
southy wrote:
greengal wrote:
Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there!
It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open!
Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!!
portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water)
all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.
Southy,
There is no beach on the River Test. I think you must mean the beach at Weston known as Weston Shore which IS on the bank of Southampton Water.
southampton water is just a small stretch off the river test, and a local waters name, has the river test is the major river over the itchen. it is the one that is named to flow into the sea. southampton water is also known has test estuary.
Wrong as usual

Soton Water streches form the confluence of the Rivers Itchen and Test (at Dock Head) to the Solent off the IOW
btw you never replied to my question about the limits of the port on another thread. Obviously you didnt know the answer (as usual!!)
you know very little about water ways. southampton waters is not class as sea, where as the solent in is, the difference is that southampton waters is class has in shore water way, and the solent open water way, southampton waters is a stretch off the test, you check with any good natural water ways books and the will say the same, even the RN bible on water ways calls southampton waters has the river test. thats because it is the major river, and some very good natural history books say that the rivers rum, itchen, meon flow into the test.

if you had bother to look at pass post i have given the limits of the port before, but i will repeat it for you, point a stansore bn then draw a line over to egypt point IOW just off this point is a gurnard bouy. from this bouy to 50:470980ooN/ 1:19:70W is the western approach and is the width off the thorn channel, one side is mark with red bouys and the other side is mark with green bouys in between the bouys is port of southampton limit, then there is cows road channel all so under the port of southampton, gurnard boy to prince consort bouy to gaff bouy (seasonal bouy). bramble bank comes under trinity lighthouse. now draw a line between gaff bouy to hillhead bn along this line at 50:471000ooN/ 1:15:34W to 50:48001ooN/ 1:15:21W is the eastern approach and is the width off north channel, again its is mark with red bouys on one side and green on the other side, the two channels thorn and north meet up at calshot bell bouy.
the port of southampton fishery limits run in a straight line between stansore bn to hillhead bn, the port off southampton lower shipping control anchorage draw a lone between calshot jetty to hook bn along this line a buoy yellow called coronation to the east off the channel. the channel that is controlled by southampton is mark by green and red buoys and is the limits off the port off southampton in between those green and red buoys, the jettys off fawley and husbands both sit just on the in side off the jetty channel edge, those are the limits of the port till they get to the city limits, where there control is widen to include the shore line, for an example a ship going to ealing wharf, the port has control while it remains in the southampton approach channel but once it enters ealing channel the port off southampton loses any control it comes under the parish harbour control.
when the docks was a nationalise industry and state owned it had control over all mooring for small boats like your tidal mud moorings all the way down to stansore bn across to hillhead bn and could charge for any mooring, they lost all off that when they was privatise, and had to revert back to the kings charter for the port of southampton, whitch gave the port the right to control all vessel movements and fees with in the city limits and the entrance channels to the port of southampton,
no body is allowed to have to claim owership off tidal waters apart government bodys or state ownship unless it has been decree of the crown, and there only 2 places in the uk that have such rights. rothchilds at exbury and holy island, lord montague has rights in tidal waters off the distance off a 2 lb war javelin to be thrown from the highest spring tide water level.
[quote][p][bold]veracity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobJChase[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greengal[/bold] wrote: Maybe the new developers might take a good look at the waterfront of Portsmouth & Southsea, there is so much for everyone to do there! It is always constantly packed with families and visitors all through the summer months, we often take the kids down to the sea water fed "crabbing lake" nearby South Parade Pier, where you will also find fun pedalo-boat Swans and a couple of Zorbbing balls, there's a good priced well used Cafe, a free to enter natural history musuem, with its own Dinosaur, free butterfly house, trampolines, playpark, water-fun park and toilets that are open! Plus work has also started on a new splash pool for Southsea Seafront, which is to be expected to be a real hit with children and young families. It seems criminal that we have to travel all the way to a "rival" South Coast City just to get a good day out with the family, when we could have it all here in our own City!!![/p][/quote]portsmouth also have number off good beaches to, what has southampton got, just the one real beach on the east bank of the river test (southampton water) all our council wants to do is americanize southampton, drive the true local familys out. they dont seem to relise what was good for the usa is not good for the uk.[/p][/quote]Southy, There is no beach on the River Test. I think you must mean the beach at Weston known as Weston Shore which IS on the bank of Southampton Water.[/p][/quote]southampton water is just a small stretch off the river test, and a local waters name, has the river test is the major river over the itchen. it is the one that is named to flow into the sea. southampton water is also known has test estuary.[/p][/quote]Wrong as usual Soton Water streches form the confluence of the Rivers Itchen and Test (at Dock Head) to the Solent off the IOW btw you never replied to my question about the limits of the port on another thread. Obviously you didnt know the answer (as usual!!)[/p][/quote]you know very little about water ways. southampton waters is not class as sea, where as the solent in is, the difference is that southampton waters is class has in shore water way, and the solent open water way, southampton waters is a stretch off the test, you check with any good natural water ways books and the will say the same, even the RN bible on water ways calls southampton waters has the river test. thats because it is the major river, and some very good natural history books say that the rivers rum, itchen, meon flow into the test. if you had bother to look at pass post i have given the limits of the port before, but i will repeat it for you, point a stansore bn then draw a line over to egypt point IOW just off this point is a gurnard bouy. from this bouy to 50:470980ooN/ 1:19:70W is the western approach and is the width off the thorn channel, one side is mark with red bouys and the other side is mark with green bouys in between the bouys is port of southampton limit, then there is cows road channel all so under the port of southampton, gurnard boy to prince consort bouy to gaff bouy (seasonal bouy). bramble bank comes under trinity lighthouse. now draw a line between gaff bouy to hillhead bn along this line at 50:471000ooN/ 1:15:34W to 50:48001ooN/ 1:15:21W is the eastern approach and is the width off north channel, again its is mark with red bouys on one side and green on the other side, the two channels thorn and north meet up at calshot bell bouy. the port of southampton fishery limits run in a straight line between stansore bn to hillhead bn, the port off southampton lower shipping control anchorage draw a lone between calshot jetty to hook bn along this line a buoy yellow called coronation to the east off the channel. the channel that is controlled by southampton is mark by green and red buoys and is the limits off the port off southampton in between those green and red buoys, the jettys off fawley and husbands both sit just on the in side off the jetty channel edge, those are the limits of the port till they get to the city limits, where there control is widen to include the shore line, for an example a ship going to ealing wharf, the port has control while it remains in the southampton approach channel but once it enters ealing channel the port off southampton loses any control it comes under the parish harbour control. when the docks was a nationalise industry and state owned it had control over all mooring for small boats like your tidal mud moorings all the way down to stansore bn across to hillhead bn and could charge for any mooring, they lost all off that when they was privatise, and had to revert back to the kings charter for the port of southampton, whitch gave the port the right to control all vessel movements and fees with in the city limits and the entrance channels to the port of southampton, no body is allowed to have to claim owership off tidal waters apart government bodys or state ownship unless it has been decree of the crown, and there only 2 places in the uk that have such rights. rothchilds at exbury and holy island, lord montague has rights in tidal waters off the distance off a 2 lb war javelin to be thrown from the highest spring tide water level. southy
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10:11am Fri 11 Jun 10

veracity says...

You are partly correct (well done!!)
The main Por t limits are from Stansore pt acoss to Hillhead but there is also a secondary line from Stansore pt to Eygpt point up to Prince Consort Moorings and across to Hillhead.
The latter line wa put in about 100 yers go to capture dues from the liners which dropped passengers off off the IOW and tendered them into Soton.
Soton Port limits go and all the way up to Redbridge (on the Test) and woodmill (on the Itchen)and the port can charge port dues on all commerial vessels over a certian size accesing these areas. (see Merchant Shipping Act 1894 Section 742)
There was absolutely no change in arrangements after privitisation.
When I had my boat I knew the marine guys at ABP pretty well as they controlled all the private moorings in this area (apart from the river hamble) and they set the mooring charges for the various yacht clubs who then set their own fees for members. I have since checked and they confirm no changes since privitisaion
You are partly correct (well done!!) The main Por t limits are from Stansore pt acoss to Hillhead but there is also a secondary line from Stansore pt to Eygpt point up to Prince Consort Moorings and across to Hillhead. The latter line wa put in about 100 yers go to capture dues from the liners which dropped passengers off off the IOW and tendered them into Soton. Soton Port limits go and all the way up to Redbridge (on the Test) and woodmill (on the Itchen)and the port can charge port dues on all commerial vessels over a certian size accesing these areas. (see Merchant Shipping Act 1894 Section 742) There was absolutely no change in arrangements after privitisation. When I had my boat I knew the marine guys at ABP pretty well as they controlled all the private moorings in this area (apart from the river hamble) and they set the mooring charges for the various yacht clubs who then set their own fees for members. I have since checked and they confirm no changes since privitisaion veracity
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12:54pm Fri 11 Jun 10

southy says...

you are wrong to say there was no change after privatisation.
note the port off southampton had the rights to charge for mooring off small boats IE:- rowing boats, none commercial on a line between between stansore bn (note its not stansore point, but the bn post whitch is just east off the point) to hillhead bn (another post). they lost this right on privatisation, it because off what the law says,

that no private firm or person may own crown property (has in this case tidal waters) with out the degree off the crown, the port off southampton has no such degree from the crown.
check it out for your self ask the crown marine agents in london and they will tell you this.
the only places with such a degree is the rothchilds at exbury, holy island (aka trinity island, lindisfarne), lord montague has rights off a javelin throw from the top off the 200 year spring tide.
and the only other places with such control are the military (under the state security act). and any crown/state (with limitations) own property that may link on to the highest spring tides. those rights are none transferable. if the property is sold the rights do not go with them, but is returned back to the crown.
the port limits are not right across that line like at stansore bn post to eygpt point, but between two points a long that line, that mark the channel, out side this channel they have no rights, and that go's for any channel out side the city limits, the only anchorage or mooring out side the limits are the one's that run in the bottom off southampton waters.
if you own a ship and you wish to anchor out side the shipping channel to the port off southampton, then you would seek queens harbour master or the local parish harbour master permission, and not like it was before when southampton docks was nationalise when they controlled all such marine things.
also check out king henry ii, granted a town merchant charter. it tells you why have those extra rights that other ports do not have, and its limitation, it draws out the limitation and is in writing at the civic centre achives that the port off southampton has the right to charge and control off shipping with in the city off southampton and the approach channels, and its those rights that are unchange, and was reverted back to when the docks was denationalised. like you pointed out that they have rights up to redbridge whitch is true they do, and that is because most off redbridge is in side southampton, but they lose that right at the city limits boundry whitch is about where the echo office is now. the other side off the echo office is out side off southampton boundry and comes under the local parish church off redbridge up to the boundry off redbridge (location limit is the iron bridge aka green bridge). the other side off the channel off to redbridge that comes under ealing, totton, testwood parish council whitch all 3 is controlled by totton town council, and all applys right the way down the river to calshot its the local parish council that control there own stretch (how ever each council can contract some else to run the marine matters, and collect dues and fees and run the moorings has a whole or part off).
good idea for you to check the admiralty charts, and not the abp or stanswood charts, admiralty charts are more defined. and do mark out the port off southampton limitation all the way up to the city limits.
you are wrong to say there was no change after privatisation. note the port off southampton had the rights to charge for mooring off small boats IE:- rowing boats, none commercial on a line between between stansore bn (note its not stansore point, but the bn post whitch is just east off the point) to hillhead bn (another post). they lost this right on privatisation, it because off what the law says, that no private firm or person may own crown property (has in this case tidal waters) with out the degree off the crown, the port off southampton has no such degree from the crown. check it out for your self ask the crown marine agents in london and they will tell you this. the only places with such a degree is the rothchilds at exbury, holy island (aka trinity island, lindisfarne), lord montague has rights off a javelin throw from the top off the 200 year spring tide. and the only other places with such control are the military (under the state security act). and any crown/state (with limitations) own property that may link on to the highest spring tides. those rights are none transferable. if the property is sold the rights do not go with them, but is returned back to the crown. the port limits are not right across that line like at stansore bn post to eygpt point, but between two points a long that line, that mark the channel, out side this channel they have no rights, and that go's for any channel out side the city limits, the only anchorage or mooring out side the limits are the one's that run in the bottom off southampton waters. if you own a ship and you wish to anchor out side the shipping channel to the port off southampton, then you would seek queens harbour master or the local parish harbour master permission, and not like it was before when southampton docks was nationalise when they controlled all such marine things. also check out king henry ii, granted a town merchant charter. it tells you why have those extra rights that other ports do not have, and its limitation, it draws out the limitation and is in writing at the civic centre achives that the port off southampton has the right to charge and control off shipping with in the city off southampton and the approach channels, and its those rights that are unchange, and was reverted back to when the docks was denationalised. like you pointed out that they have rights up to redbridge whitch is true they do, and that is because most off redbridge is in side southampton, but they lose that right at the city limits boundry whitch is about where the echo office is now. the other side off the echo office is out side off southampton boundry and comes under the local parish church off redbridge up to the boundry off redbridge (location limit is the iron bridge aka green bridge). the other side off the channel off to redbridge that comes under ealing, totton, testwood parish council whitch all 3 is controlled by totton town council, and all applys right the way down the river to calshot its the local parish council that control there own stretch (how ever each council can contract some else to run the marine matters, and collect dues and fees and run the moorings has a whole or part off). good idea for you to check the admiralty charts, and not the abp or stanswood charts, admiralty charts are more defined. and do mark out the port off southampton limitation all the way up to the city limits. southy
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1:14pm Fri 11 Jun 10

southy says...

has for your no changes this could mean that the local council is charging the same charges or the local council has ask the port off southampton to carry on running things has they where.
in the case off totton council they have taken full control over the hard beach and quay wall, but contracted the port of southampton to remain in control of the mud mooring in the middle off ealing creek.
has for your no changes this could mean that the local council is charging the same charges or the local council has ask the port off southampton to carry on running things has they where. in the case off totton council they have taken full control over the hard beach and quay wall, but contracted the port of southampton to remain in control of the mud mooring in the middle off ealing creek. southy
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6:21pm Fri 11 Jun 10

veracity says...

sorry can't make much sense of what you say
Not sure what the Echo Office has to do with shipping dues!!
Go to the library on your free bus pass.
have a look at the Port tariff books
Page 1 - Limits of the port of Southampton.
These remain the same today as when ABP was privitised in 1984
Also spk to the chap at ABP who is responsible for all the private moorings in the port area. he will put you right
The situation with the Crown REstates (managed here by Humberts) is a bit of a red herring which would take too long to explain here. However ABP have to share some of their private mooring revenue whenever these eminate from the area between high & low water levels. However there was no change on privitisation
sorry can't make much sense of what you say Not sure what the Echo Office has to do with shipping dues!! Go to the library on your free bus pass. have a look at the Port tariff books Page 1 - Limits of the port of Southampton. These remain the same today as when ABP was privitised in 1984 Also spk to the chap at ABP who is responsible for all the private moorings in the port area. he will put you right The situation with the Crown REstates (managed here by Humberts) is a bit of a red herring which would take too long to explain here. However ABP have to share some of their private mooring revenue whenever these eminate from the area between high & low water levels. However there was no change on privitisation veracity
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