Luxury vision for city's waterfront (From Daily Echo)

moulefanggoule wrote:
Ah yes that's what this area needs. A hotel.....because there isn't 2 directly opposite. And a casino....because there isn't 2 within 5 mins walk away. Restaurants and bars.....because the high street, ocean village and oxford street aren't 5 mins walk away. Can't see this happening or working long term. Especiially if ocean village does end up being finished to 'rival' gunwarf.

Bassettbadger wrote:
Look at Cardiff bay for a good example of regeneration...go for it I say!!

Linesman wrote:
Giving an excellent view of the majestic container ships as they glide, gracefully in and out of the harbour. In the evening, the glittering lights of the refinery at Fawley providing a romantic setting to the South. All the while, the sweet aroma emanating from that area will have visitors doing a 'Bisto Kids' impersonations.

It just has to be a winner.

St.DaveH wrote:
Providing the roads are adequatley improved then go for it - nearly anything would be better than the current pier area. We can all be negative about the surrounds of Southampton water, but I've been to many worse looking ports than ours....

Linesman wrote:
Giving an excellent view of the majestic container ships as they glide, gracefully in and out of the harbour. In the evening, the glittering lights of the refinery at Fawley providing a romantic setting to the South. All the while, the sweet aroma emanating from that area will have visitors doing a 'Bisto Kids' impersonations. It just has to be a winner.

moulefanggoule wrote:
Ah yes that's what this area needs. A hotel.....because there isn't 2 directly opposite. And a casino....because there isn't 2 within 5 mins walk away. Restaurants and bars.....because the high street, ocean village and oxford street aren't 5 mins walk away. Can't see this happening or working long term. Especiially if ocean village does end up being finished to 'rival' gunwarf.

Elgy wrote:
Great - an expensive hotel, expensive moorings and expensive restaurants. All private, none for the people of Southampton. Will there be more private roads, private pavements? What happened to opening up the waterfront? What happened to proper public tourism and family entertainment i.e. a pier? Yet again, Southampton sells out to ugly corporatism. Ocean Village will remain desolate during the day, save for the odd office worker, and full of suited drinkers and gamblers during the evening. Great. When will Southampton realise it is a working class (seaside) city and stop trying to be Las Vegas?

phil maccavity wrote:

Linesman wrote:
Giving an excellent view of the majestic container ships as they glide, gracefully in and out of the harbour. In the evening, the glittering lights of the refinery at Fawley providing a romantic setting to the South. All the while, the sweet aroma emanating from that area will have visitors doing a 'Bisto Kids' impersonations. It just has to be a winner.

Always great to get interest from 'out of towners' es

MGRA wrote:

moulefanggoule wrote: Ah yes that's what this area needs. A hotel.....because there isn't 2 directly opposite. And a casino....because there isn't 2 within 5 mins walk away. Restaurants and bars.....because the high street, ocean village and oxford street aren't 5 mins walk away. Can't see this happening or working long term. Especiially if ocean village does end up being finished to 'rival' gunwarf.

possibly the most stupid comment ever posted on here. Anyone with 1/3 a brain would know that southampton does not have enough hotel accomodation for existing needs, let alone the massive increase in cruise passengers.

Carpe Diem wrote:
Lots of moaning here from Fareham and Stubbington etc. If you don't like what's being planned buzz of to Gunwharf, but be careful you don't get cramp in your neck when you stand there in slack-jawed wonder at the bright lights of the big city.

Brite Spark wrote:

Carpe Diem wrote: Lots of moaning here from Fareham and Stubbington etc. If you don't like what's being planned buzz of to Gunwharf, but be careful you don't get cramp in your neck when you stand there in slack-jawed wonder at the bright lights of the big city.

I agree, stop moaning Linesman.

phil maccavity wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:

Carpe Diem wrote: Lots of moaning here from Fareham and Stubbington etc. If you don't like what's being planned buzz of to Gunwharf, but be careful you don't get cramp in your neck when you stand there in slack-jawed wonder at the bright lights of the big city.

I agree, stop moaning Linesman.

I think this is an inappropriate and non PC post title
The poster should be referred to as 'Third Official' and go back to haunting the famous old playing fields down at Bath Lane, once frequented by that stick insect (but decent player) by the name of Ray Hiron

DigbertK wrote:

St.DaveH wrote: Providing the roads are adequatley improved then go for it - nearly anything would be better than the current pier area. We can all be negative about the surrounds of Southampton water, but I've been to many worse looking ports than ours....

Why do you think the roads need to be adequately improved?

moulefanggoule wrote:

MGRA wrote:

moulefanggoule wrote: Ah yes that's what this area needs. A hotel.....because there isn't 2 directly opposite. And a casino....because there isn't 2 within 5 mins walk away. Restaurants and bars.....because the high street, ocean village and oxford street aren't 5 mins walk away. Can't see this happening or working long term. Especiially if ocean village does end up being finished to 'rival' gunwarf.

possibly the most stupid comment ever posted on here. Anyone with 1/3 a brain would know that southampton does not have enough hotel accomodation for existing needs, let alone the massive increase in cruise passengers.

Sorry I wasn't aware it was common knowledge that there was insufficient hotel needs in the city. What is your comment founded on? just pure opinion or do you know for sure? At the moment we are blessed with a Travelodge, Jurys Inn, Ibis, Novotel, Etap, Holiday Inn, De Vere, The Star, Mercure, Park Hotel, Premier Inn and various other small hotels. That's at least 11 large hotels. I've read enough comments on here over the years to know my comment is far from being the most stupid comment ever posted and would say that your comment is more stupid for suggesting it.

moulefanggoule wrote:

MGRA wrote:

moulefanggoule wrote: Ah yes that's what this area needs. A hotel.....because there isn't 2 directly opposite. And a casino....because there isn't 2 within 5 mins walk away. Restaurants and bars.....because the high street, ocean village and oxford street aren't 5 mins walk away. Can't see this happening or working long term. Especiially if ocean village does end up being finished to 'rival' gunwarf.

possibly the most stupid comment ever posted on here. Anyone with 1/3 a brain would know that southampton does not have enough hotel accomodation for existing needs, let alone the massive increase in cruise passengers.

Sorry I wasn't aware it was common knowledge that there was insufficient hotel needs in the city. What is your comment founded on? just pure opinion or do you know for sure? At the moment we are blessed with a Travelodge, Jurys Inn, Ibis, Novotel, Etap, Holiday Inn, De Vere, The Star, Mercure, Park Hotel, Premier Inn and various other small hotels. That's at least 11 large hotels. I've read enough comments on here over the years to know my comment is far from being the most stupid comment ever posted and would say that your comment is more stupid for suggesting it.

G0Rf wrote:
yawn.
another pie in the sky, wont happen, same as all the other brilliant ideas, nothing ever happens in southampton.
southampton also needs an arena to hold big gigs and attract world wide music artists to the city

MrGMan wrote:
Sorry but those wanting something working class, how do they expect the council to pay for it? Are they happy for their council tax to go up?

The scheme looks good.

Brite Spark wrote:
How are the developers going to turn the water blue as it is in the pic?

phil maccavity wrote:

Linesman wrote: Giving an excellent view of the majestic container ships as they glide, gracefully in and out of the harbour. In the evening, the glittering lights of the refinery at Fawley providing a romantic setting to the South. All the while, the sweet aroma emanating from that area will have visitors doing a 'Bisto Kids' impersonations. It just has to be a winner.

Always great to get interest from 'out of towners' es

Rob444 wrote:

MrGMan wrote:
Sorry but those wanting something working class, how do they expect the council to pay for it? Are they happy for their council tax to go up?

The scheme looks good.

What is the modern definition of "Working class"?

southy wrote:
Some thing we don,t need yet again. smithy and co, don,t waste our money on any more silly ideas that not going to happen, roll on may election when there a chance of getting rid of this wasteful council.
for those that are interested the TUSC might be standing a few people up for the council elections in may in southampton, so if your a left thinking person, and want to make changes, get in touch

cyber_fug wrote:

southy wrote:
Some thing we don,t need yet again. smithy and co, don,t waste our money on any more silly ideas that not going to happen, roll on may election when there a chance of getting rid of this wasteful council.
for those that are interested the TUSC might be standing a few people up for the council elections in may in southampton, so if your a left thinking person, and want to make changes, get in touch

The next meeting will be held in the telephone box on kendall avenue

UTS wrote:
Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote:
Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

southy wrote:
Some thing we don,t need yet again. smithy and co, don,t waste our money on any more silly ideas that not going to happen, roll on may election when there a chance of getting rid of this wasteful council.
for those that are interested the TUSC might be standing a few people up for the council elections in may in southampton, so if your a left thinking person, and want to make changes, get in touch

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote:
Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

Brite Spark wrote:
The Spitfire Memorial isn't in the picture, it's supposed to be down at the Town Quay isn't it?

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote:
Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis?

When did you last go?

I suspect you made that up.

If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

southy wrote:

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote: Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis? When did you last go? I suspect you made that up. If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

i was there just two days ago, i often park up there. and it looks like a run down shambles to what it use to look like, over crowded lots of empty flats, that only get used a few weeks in the year. southampton should be for southampton people first and there needs and what they want, and not to pamper for out side people needs first. when they started ocean village the people of southampton was promise 6 free mooring spaces, what happened to them, a tory council gain power and they was oftered right way to people not living in southampton

allsaintsnocurves wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:
The Spitfire Memorial isn't in the picture, it's supposed to be down at the Town Quay isn't it?

This development is to the right of town key where the Red Funnel terminal is, the royal pier and mayflower park.

The town key is another development altogether that ADP are working on seperately.

If the picture spanned to the right or zoomed out a bit you would see it.

The only concern I might have over this plan is it looks and feels a bit too much like Ocean Village...why are we competing 2 parts of town against each other...why can't something be here that is unique.

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote: Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis? When did you last go? I suspect you made that up. If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

i was there just two days ago, i often park up there. and it looks like a run down shambles to what it use to look like, over crowded lots of empty flats, that only get used a few weeks in the year. southampton should be for southampton people first and there needs and what they want, and not to pamper for out side people needs first. when they started ocean village the people of southampton was promise 6 free mooring spaces, what happened to them, a tory council gain power and they was oftered right way to people not living in southampton

What a strange post.
How do you know the flats are empty?
Do you go round peeking in windows?
How do you know that the flats are only used a few weeks in the year?
I have friends who live there and they live all year round and so do very many others
Define what is a 'Southampton person?'
Presume you have never been ill as most of the people working in the General aren't 'Southampton people' as you seem to describe them!!
As a card carrying socialist I thought you would be ecstatic about the high quality social housing that has been provided on site as part of the Councils mixed use requirements.
Bearing in mind Ocean Village Marina has been there for around 30 years and has passed thro a few owners it doesnt surprise me that the 'free' mooring spaces may have been withdrawn after all the area was a Ferry terminal beforehand

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote: Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis? When did you last go? I suspect you made that up. If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

i was there just two days ago, i often park up there. and it looks like a run down shambles to what it use to look like, over crowded lots of empty flats, that only get used a few weeks in the year. southampton should be for southampton people first and there needs and what they want, and not to pamper for out side people needs first. when they started ocean village the people of southampton was promise 6 free mooring spaces, what happened to them, a tory council gain power and they was oftered right way to people not living in southampton

What a strange post.
How do you know the flats are empty?
Do you go round peeking in windows?
How do you know that the flats are only used a few weeks in the year?
I have friends who live there and they live all year round and so do very many others
Define what is a 'Southampton person?'
Presume you have never been ill as most of the people working in the General aren't 'Southampton people' as you seem to describe them!!
As a card carrying socialist I thought you would be ecstatic about the high quality social housing that has been provided on site as part of the Councils mixed use requirements.
Bearing in mind Ocean Village Marina has been there for around 30 years and has passed thro a few owners it doesnt surprise me that the 'free' mooring spaces may have been withdrawn after all the area was a Ferry terminal beforehand

now in the north wrote:
How can this possibly lead to employment? To have people employed, you need money for wages. That comes from people spending.
With fuel, food, and all other costs going up while wages are set to come down simultainiously with cuts in public spending leadin to more/higher costs, it wont be the residents of Southampton spending.
This will leave it up to visitors to bring in the cash and as this is a GLOBAL financial crisis, that is unlikely.
The council is going to go into partnership with BIG companies to acheive this planned development, spending money they dont have to find they come out with very little.
It might work for a year or so but the newness will wear off and people will stop coming, as with ocean village.
Then we will be left with a constant expense for upkeep.
If it works, we might get a bit of extra cash in our town but most of it will be taken out of the area and into the companies reserve accounts. The minimal taxes they pay (if they dont get let off like the likes of Vodaphone (6bn) HSBC (2bn) Banks as a whole (19bn - by offsetting) will go to central government first then Southampton will get is sliver back.
Hopefully the council will do what they always do...waste a few million in planning it, then change their minds.

southy wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote: Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis? When did you last go? I suspect you made that up. If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

i was there just two days ago, i often park up there. and it looks like a run down shambles to what it use to look like, over crowded lots of empty flats, that only get used a few weeks in the year. southampton should be for southampton people first and there needs and what they want, and not to pamper for out side people needs first. when they started ocean village the people of southampton was promise 6 free mooring spaces, what happened to them, a tory council gain power and they was oftered right way to people not living in southampton

What a strange post. How do you know the flats are empty? Do you go round peeking in windows? How do you know that the flats are only used a few weeks in the year? I have friends who live there and they live all year round and so do very many others Define what is a 'Southampton person?' Presume you have never been ill as most of the people working in the General aren't 'Southampton people' as you seem to describe them!! As a card carrying socialist I thought you would be ecstatic about the high quality social housing that has been provided on site as part of the Councils mixed use requirements. Bearing in mind Ocean Village Marina has been there for around 30 years and has passed thro a few owners it doesnt surprise me that the 'free' mooring spaces may have been withdrawn after all the area was a Ferry terminal beforehand

nowt strange about the post at all. how i know because a guy phoned me up and ask if i could do some ornamental lanyards who lived in the flats, who had not long moved in, so i went round there to find what designs he wanted, it was ghostly quiet in side the building, and when i said its was and nice and quiet here, he said yes it is, but that,s because only few live there full time most have homes else where, and he had bought his flat from the owner in essex. they are not social housing at all, they are well out of the reach of ordinary people to buy. the free mooring spaces was never handed over to the southampton people like they should of been, i was one of those on the short list to get one, and according to councilor pat bear when she was alive the tory council gave them to london business men for a price. its like between town quay and the old docks was a public hard and public slipway, look at that now given to private ownership for a private marina, prices out of the reach of ordinary local people. and when you want to use the public slipway you have got to threaten them by calling in the police. the locals are slowly being pushed out.

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
What happened to the concert venue idea? The Guildhall is not up to scratch...it would be great to have somewhere attracting top names to Southampton.

I can't argue with a new hotel there because all the hotels are full up around the boat show and any major events. The more business and tourists that come to the city too the more space we will need for them to stay. As long as the hotel designs are iconic and they are good hotels I think they're a good idea.

Remember this location is the first part of Southampton that the cruise ship passengers will look to so we want it to be good...the best bars on the waterfront overlooking the marina...along with the finished Ocean Village development will be great for the city.

They should bulldoze the highstreet next and put a park through it.

All they need to do is sort out the roads and put in a tramline or something down there...

owen_thesaints wrote:

southy wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote: Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis? When did you last go? I suspect you made that up. If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

i was there just two days ago, i often park up there. and it looks like a run down shambles to what it use to look like, over crowded lots of empty flats, that only get used a few weeks in the year. southampton should be for southampton people first and there needs and what they want, and not to pamper for out side people needs first. when they started ocean village the people of southampton was promise 6 free mooring spaces, what happened to them, a tory council gain power and they was oftered right way to people not living in southampton

What a strange post. How do you know the flats are empty? Do you go round peeking in windows? How do you know that the flats are only used a few weeks in the year? I have friends who live there and they live all year round and so do very many others Define what is a 'Southampton person?' Presume you have never been ill as most of the people working in the General aren't 'Southampton people' as you seem to describe them!! As a card carrying socialist I thought you would be ecstatic about the high quality social housing that has been provided on site as part of the Councils mixed use requirements. Bearing in mind Ocean Village Marina has been there for around 30 years and has passed thro a few owners it doesnt surprise me that the 'free' mooring spaces may have been withdrawn after all the area was a Ferry terminal beforehand

nowt strange about the post at all. how i know because a guy phoned me up and ask if i could do some ornamental lanyards who lived in the flats, who had not long moved in, so i went round there to find what designs he wanted, it was ghostly quiet in side the building, and when i said its was and nice and quiet here, he said yes it is, but that,s because only few live there full time most have homes else where, and he had bought his flat from the owner in essex. they are not social housing at all, they are well out of the reach of ordinary people to buy. the free mooring spaces was never handed over to the southampton people like they should of been, i was one of those on the short list to get one, and according to councilor pat bear when she was alive the tory council gave them to london business men for a price. its like between town quay and the old docks was a public hard and public slipway, look at that now given to private ownership for a private marina, prices out of the reach of ordinary local people. and when you want to use the public slipway you have got to threaten them by calling in the police. the locals are slowly being pushed out.

Isn't Atlantic Way in Ocean Village social housing?

You don't half spout some rubbish sometimes....

Hantslad wrote:
How come The Echo can delete posts, but they can't ban Southy for spam?
earn-milk - says it all!

southy wrote:

owen_thesaints wrote:

southy wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote: Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis? When did you last go? I suspect you made that up. If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

i was there just two days ago, i often park up there. and it looks like a run down shambles to what it use to look like, over crowded lots of empty flats, that only get used a few weeks in the year. southampton should be for southampton people first and there needs and what they want, and not to pamper for out side people needs first. when they started ocean village the people of southampton was promise 6 free mooring spaces, what happened to them, a tory council gain power and they was oftered right way to people not living in southampton

What a strange post. How do you know the flats are empty? Do you go round peeking in windows? How do you know that the flats are only used a few weeks in the year? I have friends who live there and they live all year round and so do very many others Define what is a 'Southampton person?' Presume you have never been ill as most of the people working in the General aren't 'Southampton people' as you seem to describe them!! As a card carrying socialist I thought you would be ecstatic about the high quality social housing that has been provided on site as part of the Councils mixed use requirements. Bearing in mind Ocean Village Marina has been there for around 30 years and has passed thro a few owners it doesnt surprise me that the 'free' mooring spaces may have been withdrawn after all the area was a Ferry terminal beforehand

nowt strange about the post at all. how i know because a guy phoned me up and ask if i could do some ornamental lanyards who lived in the flats, who had not long moved in, so i went round there to find what designs he wanted, it was ghostly quiet in side the building, and when i said its was and nice and quiet here, he said yes it is, but that,s because only few live there full time most have homes else where, and he had bought his flat from the owner in essex. they are not social housing at all, they are well out of the reach of ordinary people to buy. the free mooring spaces was never handed over to the southampton people like they should of been, i was one of those on the short list to get one, and according to councilor pat bear when she was alive the tory council gave them to london business men for a price. its like between town quay and the old docks was a public hard and public slipway, look at that now given to private ownership for a private marina, prices out of the reach of ordinary local people. and when you want to use the public slipway you have got to threaten them by calling in the police. the locals are slowly being pushed out.

Isn't Atlantic Way in Ocean Village social housing? You don't half spout some rubbish sometimes....

your talking more crap than i am, has far has i am aware there is no atlantic way in ocean village, there a atlantic close, and that is private homes.

SpittingFire wrote:

Hantslad wrote:
How come The Echo can delete posts, but they can't ban Southy for spam?
earn-milk - says it all!

They always let Southy run amuck. Funny, 'cause I find myself being gagged on here often.

SpittingFire wrote:

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
What happened to the concert venue idea? The Guildhall is not up to scratch...it would be great to have somewhere attracting top names to Southampton.

I can't argue with a new hotel there because all the hotels are full up around the boat show and any major events. The more business and tourists that come to the city too the more space we will need for them to stay. As long as the hotel designs are iconic and they are good hotels I think they're a good idea.

Remember this location is the first part of Southampton that the cruise ship passengers will look to so we want it to be good...the best bars on the waterfront overlooking the marina...along with the finished Ocean Village development will be great for the city.

They should bulldoze the highstreet next and put a park through it.

All they need to do is sort out the roads and put in a tramline or something down there...

Totally agree with the concert venue idea. Just earlier in the week we saw Cunard dish out its publicity shots of the two queens arriving in Aus behind the backdrop of the Sydney Opera House.
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There's an iconic landmark recognised the world over. There's the sophisticated, LUXURY culture they are after - that's what the cruise industry want to lap up.
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The old Magistrates' Courts as a museum? Nice old grandiose building like that, could have really gone places there.
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What would have been a better for the cultural quarter is to have the TATE name stamped on that place. It would have really pulled in the highbrow crowds that way. EVEN LIVERPOOL HAS ITS OWN TATE!
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There's where you make a name for yourself, drawing in them culture buffs, and we've got plenty of artwork to kit it out with too.
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Instead we end up with a morbid horror house, a pointy glass carbuncle taking its jagged inspiration from the De Vere and a quick glance over at the BBC South building, that'll do. And contents of which ghoulishly capitalise on the Titanic disaster.
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Stark blue LED lamps and columns of light aloft the Itchen Bridge. What a delight.
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A casino? You're having a laugh gentlemen! You think these wealthy passengers wish to blow their dough they've set aside for their trip in some grotty casino before they set off?! Give 'em more class! Give 'em an opera house!
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So proud things are being looked at closely to make Southampton "the premier city" of the South. We've got some really innovative and creative teams here to defecate on our town. So lucky are we.

cyber_fug wrote:

southy wrote:
Some thing we don,t need yet again. smithy and co, don,t waste our money on any more silly ideas that not going to happen, roll on may election when there a chance of getting rid of this wasteful council.
for those that are interested the TUSC might be standing a few people up for the council elections in may in southampton, so if your a left thinking person, and want to make changes, get in touch

The next meeting will be held in the telephone box on kendall avenue

cmth40 wrote:
well these no money in the pot so were,s it coming from,are the overpaid councillors taking a 50% pay cut each,if they have cash then why the cut,s in services,and why ar,nt the people of southampton benefiting,with a clean up and new homes,this project will become another private elite few you scratch my back i,ll scratch your,s brigade

cmth40 wrote:
well these no money in the pot so were,s it coming from,are the overpaid councillors taking a 50% pay cut each,if they have cash then why the cut,s in services,and why ar,nt the people of southampton benefiting,with a clean up and new homes,this project will become another private elite few you scratch my back i,ll scratch your,s brigade

Hantslad wrote:

cmth40 wrote:
well these no money in the pot so were,s it coming from,are the overpaid councillors taking a 50% pay cut each,if they have cash then why the cut,s in services,and why ar,nt the people of southampton benefiting,with a clean up and new homes,this project will become another private elite few you scratch my back i,ll scratch your,s brigade

Is this Southy with one of his fake accounts? You know, the ones he accuses others of?

If not we have two people who need help!

phil maccavity wrote:
Southy - an ornamental lanyard maker.
Presumably he does the job for cost as 'profit' is a dirty word to Southy and his mates.
Wonder what his view for Mayflower Park/Royal Pier would be?
Get rid of the Boat Show and leave it free for anglers and small boat owners (no out of towners allowed - incl those nasty people from over the water eg Woolston and Hythe)
Also want to know Southys definition of 'Southampton people'

Hantslad wrote:

cmth40 wrote:
well these no money in the pot so were,s it coming from,are the overpaid councillors taking a 50% pay cut each,if they have cash then why the cut,s in services,and why ar,nt the people of southampton benefiting,with a clean up and new homes,this project will become another private elite few you scratch my back i,ll scratch your,s brigade

Is this Southy with one of his fake accounts? You know, the ones he accuses others of?

If not we have two people who need help!

The boy G wrote:
How about something like the Burj Al Arab hotel design,but instead of being a hotel,it would have cafes,bars and restaurants on several floors with views over the marina and down Southampton water,this is very iconic building and something similar would stand out and greet cruise ship passengers coming into port.
Would the marina be accessed only by those with a boat????.Prehaps a promenade, lined with trees around the marina accessed by everyone with a tram from the highstreet.

...just a thought.

mercrocker wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if Southampton had an iconic cruise terminal steeped in the history and glamour of the last great years of Liner travel? One with a proper rail link and in a harbour setting that oozed the stuff of legend? Oh, we lost that one didnt we....OK how about a restored Victorian pier...um, a vibrant regenerated dockyard marina? Historic shipping quarter? How about a big fat bill from yet another architect for something that never gets built or if it does turns instantly into a chav skateboard park ("culchurall corter" anyone?)...yeaahhh I think we can manage that. Can't wait for the Titanic Conservatory, either....

SpittingFire wrote:

mercrocker wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if Southampton had an iconic cruise terminal steeped in the history and glamour of the last great years of Liner travel? One with a proper rail link and in a harbour setting that oozed the stuff of legend? Oh, we lost that one didnt we....OK how about a restored Victorian pier...um, a vibrant regenerated dockyard marina? Historic shipping quarter? How about a big fat bill from yet another architect for something that never gets built or if it does turns instantly into a chav skateboard park ("culchurall corter" anyone?)...yeaahhh I think we can manage that. Can't wait for the Titanic Conservatory, either....

Merseyside's got it all!
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Not like these drab plans. I've never seen anything so dull and uninspiring.
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Time for a fresh outlook and force these current planners to fall by the wayside.

southy wrote:

SpittingFire wrote:

mercrocker wrote: Wouldn't it be great if Southampton had an iconic cruise terminal steeped in the history and glamour of the last great years of Liner travel? One with a proper rail link and in a harbour setting that oozed the stuff of legend? Oh, we lost that one didnt we....OK how about a restored Victorian pier...um, a vibrant regenerated dockyard marina? Historic shipping quarter? How about a big fat bill from yet another architect for something that never gets built or if it does turns instantly into a chav skateboard park ("culchurall corter" anyone?)...yeaahhh I think we can manage that. Can't wait for the Titanic Conservatory, either....

Merseyside's got it all! . Not like these drab plans. I've never seen anything so dull and uninspiring. . Time for a fresh outlook and force these current planners to fall by the wayside.

time to kick out the torys, libs and labour out of the council.

Hantslad wrote:

southy wrote:

SpittingFire wrote:

mercrocker wrote: Wouldn't it be great if Southampton had an iconic cruise terminal steeped in the history and glamour of the last great years of Liner travel? One with a proper rail link and in a harbour setting that oozed the stuff of legend? Oh, we lost that one didnt we....OK how about a restored Victorian pier...um, a vibrant regenerated dockyard marina? Historic shipping quarter? How about a big fat bill from yet another architect for something that never gets built or if it does turns instantly into a chav skateboard park ("culchurall corter" anyone?)...yeaahhh I think we can manage that. Can't wait for the Titanic Conservatory, either....

Merseyside's got it all! . Not like these drab plans. I've never seen anything so dull and uninspiring. . Time for a fresh outlook and force these current planners to fall by the wayside.

time to kick out the torys, libs and labour out of the council.

If this is what Southy thinks, then I want to KEEP them all in!

If anyone thinking on Southy lines comes to power then God help us!

southy wrote:

SpittingFire wrote:

mercrocker wrote: Wouldn't it be great if Southampton had an iconic cruise terminal steeped in the history and glamour of the last great years of Liner travel? One with a proper rail link and in a harbour setting that oozed the stuff of legend? Oh, we lost that one didnt we....OK how about a restored Victorian pier...um, a vibrant regenerated dockyard marina? Historic shipping quarter? How about a big fat bill from yet another architect for something that never gets built or if it does turns instantly into a chav skateboard park ("culchurall corter" anyone?)...yeaahhh I think we can manage that. Can't wait for the Titanic Conservatory, either....

Merseyside's got it all! . Not like these drab plans. I've never seen anything so dull and uninspiring. . Time for a fresh outlook and force these current planners to fall by the wayside.

time to kick out the torys, libs and labour out of the council.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

SpittingFire wrote:

mercrocker wrote: Wouldn't it be great if Southampton had an iconic cruise terminal steeped in the history and glamour of the last great years of Liner travel? One with a proper rail link and in a harbour setting that oozed the stuff of legend? Oh, we lost that one didnt we....OK how about a restored Victorian pier...um, a vibrant regenerated dockyard marina? Historic shipping quarter? How about a big fat bill from yet another architect for something that never gets built or if it does turns instantly into a chav skateboard park ("culchurall corter" anyone?)...yeaahhh I think we can manage that. Can't wait for the Titanic Conservatory, either....

Merseyside's got it all! . Not like these drab plans. I've never seen anything so dull and uninspiring. . Time for a fresh outlook and force these current planners to fall by the wayside.

time to kick out the torys, libs and labour out of the council.

What we want is a Communist Party/UKIP coalition, that would things done....

southy wrote:

owen_thesaints wrote:

southy wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote: Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis? When did you last go? I suspect you made that up. If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

i was there just two days ago, i often park up there. and it looks like a run down shambles to what it use to look like, over crowded lots of empty flats, that only get used a few weeks in the year. southampton should be for southampton people first and there needs and what they want, and not to pamper for out side people needs first. when they started ocean village the people of southampton was promise 6 free mooring spaces, what happened to them, a tory council gain power and they was oftered right way to people not living in southampton

What a strange post. How do you know the flats are empty? Do you go round peeking in windows? How do you know that the flats are only used a few weeks in the year? I have friends who live there and they live all year round and so do very many others Define what is a 'Southampton person?' Presume you have never been ill as most of the people working in the General aren't 'Southampton people' as you seem to describe them!! As a card carrying socialist I thought you would be ecstatic about the high quality social housing that has been provided on site as part of the Councils mixed use requirements. Bearing in mind Ocean Village Marina has been there for around 30 years and has passed thro a few owners it doesnt surprise me that the 'free' mooring spaces may have been withdrawn after all the area was a Ferry terminal beforehand

nowt strange about the post at all. how i know because a guy phoned me up and ask if i could do some ornamental lanyards who lived in the flats, who had not long moved in, so i went round there to find what designs he wanted, it was ghostly quiet in side the building, and when i said its was and nice and quiet here, he said yes it is, but that,s because only few live there full time most have homes else where, and he had bought his flat from the owner in essex. they are not social housing at all, they are well out of the reach of ordinary people to buy. the free mooring spaces was never handed over to the southampton people like they should of been, i was one of those on the short list to get one, and according to councilor pat bear when she was alive the tory council gave them to london business men for a price. its like between town quay and the old docks was a public hard and public slipway, look at that now given to private ownership for a private marina, prices out of the reach of ordinary local people. and when you want to use the public slipway you have got to threaten them by calling in the police. the locals are slowly being pushed out.

Isn't Atlantic Way in Ocean Village social housing?

You don't half spout some rubbish sometimes....

your talking more crap than i am, has far has i am aware there is no atlantic way in ocean village, there a atlantic close, and that is private homes.

east stand terrace wrote:

southy wrote:

owen_thesaints wrote:

southy wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote: Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis? When did you last go? I suspect you made that up. If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

i was there just two days ago, i often park up there. and it looks like a run down shambles to what it use to look like, over crowded lots of empty flats, that only get used a few weeks in the year. southampton should be for southampton people first and there needs and what they want, and not to pamper for out side people needs first. when they started ocean village the people of southampton was promise 6 free mooring spaces, what happened to them, a tory council gain power and they was oftered right way to people not living in southampton

What a strange post. How do you know the flats are empty? Do you go round peeking in windows? How do you know that the flats are only used a few weeks in the year? I have friends who live there and they live all year round and so do very many others Define what is a 'Southampton person?' Presume you have never been ill as most of the people working in the General aren't 'Southampton people' as you seem to describe them!! As a card carrying socialist I thought you would be ecstatic about the high quality social housing that has been provided on site as part of the Councils mixed use requirements. Bearing in mind Ocean Village Marina has been there for around 30 years and has passed thro a few owners it doesnt surprise me that the 'free' mooring spaces may have been withdrawn after all the area was a Ferry terminal beforehand

nowt strange about the post at all. how i know because a guy phoned me up and ask if i could do some ornamental lanyards who lived in the flats, who had not long moved in, so i went round there to find what designs he wanted, it was ghostly quiet in side the building, and when i said its was and nice and quiet here, he said yes it is, but that,s because only few live there full time most have homes else where, and he had bought his flat from the owner in essex. they are not social housing at all, they are well out of the reach of ordinary people to buy. the free mooring spaces was never handed over to the southampton people like they should of been, i was one of those on the short list to get one, and according to councilor pat bear when she was alive the tory council gave them to london business men for a price. its like between town quay and the old docks was a public hard and public slipway, look at that now given to private ownership for a private marina, prices out of the reach of ordinary local people. and when you want to use the public slipway you have got to threaten them by calling in the police. the locals are slowly being pushed out.

Isn't Atlantic Way in Ocean Village social housing?

You don't half spout some rubbish sometimes....

your talking more crap than i am, has far has i am aware there is no atlantic way in ocean village, there a atlantic close, and that is private homes.

So Trotsky you have finally seen the light and admit that you talk crap.

east stand terrace wrote:

southy wrote:

owen_thesaints wrote:

southy wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

The Evil Capitalist who eats children wrote:

southy wrote:

RedRover wrote:

UTS wrote: Looks a very interesting development and something that needs to be done to raise the profile of the town. Yes we do need more hotels and shops and a decent boulevard of pubs that can rival gunwharf. It would also be good to have a mini conference centre that can hold 6000 capacity gigs. This would attract world stars to the town. It all needs to be cutting edge modern and have the wow factor.

Much like the magnificent West Quay developement, with it's wonderful views of Ikea. So relaxing and inspiring, so wow....not.

and the wonderful ocean village looking like a run down slum area all ready.

On what basis? When did you last go? I suspect you made that up. If Southampton sickens you so much why not move away?

i was there just two days ago, i often park up there. and it looks like a run down shambles to what it use to look like, over crowded lots of empty flats, that only get used a few weeks in the year. southampton should be for southampton people first and there needs and what they want, and not to pamper for out side people needs first. when they started ocean village the people of southampton was promise 6 free mooring spaces, what happened to them, a tory council gain power and they was oftered right way to people not living in southampton

What a strange post. How do you know the flats are empty? Do you go round peeking in windows? How do you know that the flats are only used a few weeks in the year? I have friends who live there and they live all year round and so do very many others Define what is a 'Southampton person?' Presume you have never been ill as most of the people working in the General aren't 'Southampton people' as you seem to describe them!! As a card carrying socialist I thought you would be ecstatic about the high quality social housing that has been provided on site as part of the Councils mixed use requirements. Bearing in mind Ocean Village Marina has been there for around 30 years and has passed thro a few owners it doesnt surprise me that the 'free' mooring spaces may have been withdrawn after all the area was a Ferry terminal beforehand

nowt strange about the post at all. how i know because a guy phoned me up and ask if i could do some ornamental lanyards who lived in the flats, who had not long moved in, so i went round there to find what designs he wanted, it was ghostly quiet in side the building, and when i said its was and nice and quiet here, he said yes it is, but that,s because only few live there full time most have homes else where, and he had bought his flat from the owner in essex. they are not social housing at all, they are well out of the reach of ordinary people to buy. the free mooring spaces was never handed over to the southampton people like they should of been, i was one of those on the short list to get one, and according to councilor pat bear when she was alive the tory council gave them to london business men for a price. its like between town quay and the old docks was a public hard and public slipway, look at that now given to private ownership for a private marina, prices out of the reach of ordinary local people. and when you want to use the public slipway you have got to threaten them by calling in the police. the locals are slowly being pushed out.

Isn't Atlantic Way in Ocean Village social housing?

You don't half spout some rubbish sometimes....

your talking more crap than i am, has far has i am aware there is no atlantic way in ocean village, there a atlantic close, and that is private homes.

So Trotsky you have finally seen the light and admit that you talk crap.

clausentum wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

SpittingFire wrote:

mercrocker wrote: Wouldn't it be great if Southampton had an iconic cruise terminal steeped in the history and glamour of the last great years of Liner travel? One with a proper rail link and in a harbour setting that oozed the stuff of legend? Oh, we lost that one didnt we....OK how about a restored Victorian pier...um, a vibrant regenerated dockyard marina? Historic shipping quarter? How about a big fat bill from yet another architect for something that never gets built or if it does turns instantly into a chav skateboard park ("culchurall corter" anyone?)...yeaahhh I think we can manage that. Can't wait for the Titanic Conservatory, either....

Merseyside's got it all! . Not like these drab plans. I've never seen anything so dull and uninspiring. . Time for a fresh outlook and force these current planners to fall by the wayside.

time to kick out the torys, libs and labour out of the council.

What we want is a Communist Party/UKIP coalition, that would things done....

You've been spending far too much time cramped up in that phone box meeting place. Step out from the phone box, stretch your legs in the real world and smell the roses . . .

southy wrote:

phil maccavity wrote: Southy - an ornamental lanyard maker. Presumably he does the job for cost as 'profit' is a dirty word to Southy and his mates. Wonder what his view for Mayflower Park/Royal Pier would be? Get rid of the Boat Show and leave it free for anglers and small boat owners (no out of towners allowed - incl those nasty people from over the water eg Woolston and Hythe) Also want to know Southys definition of 'Southampton people'

wrong phil, i doing it for nothing, as long he provides the cords in the colours that he wants, can't charge for some thing that will take less than 10 min,s to do each one, and is good finger's exercise. and doing a job for cost has a profit is not a dirty word, its when you over charge the less wealthy for a profit who can't afford it is a dirty word, like your kind will do all the time. like your kind all ways want to know what is in it for them. keep mayflower park open with its water front like its meant to, royal peir give it to the people of southampton and rebuild it to the way it was. has one of the original family,s that got the boat show started before it came a commercialised adventure, i would not want to see it go. but its getting big and maybe a new location venue is needed so it can grow, like down in front of victoria park, in fact even locals could get one started there if they got together an organise it. your hear that woolston lot, "phil maccavity" thinks your not southampton and that you are nasty people and you hythe he thinks your nasty people to, you said it phil maccavity not me. lets put it this way, what we don't want is the well off coming here, taking the best location and then start dictating to us what we want and what we can have. its ok for them they can move out easy when they screw the place up, asset strip the best places.

east stand terrace wrote:
Trotsky, I am not worried about whether there is an Atlantic way/close/road/gulag

/whatever. All I know is that you are a constant source of amusement with your claptrap. I only ever post facts not fiction. 168 votes was it again?, 26300 across the country. (source of these facts - BBC website) You get your facts from Trotsky cuckoo land.

Hantslad wrote:
I'm waiting for the you're a multiple account user theory. Although, I am a genuine person, I also believe Southy is a genuine person, but the brain lives on another planet.

phil maccavity wrote:

southy wrote:

phil maccavity wrote: Southy - an ornamental lanyard maker. Presumably he does the job for cost as 'profit' is a dirty word to Southy and his mates. Wonder what his view for Mayflower Park/Royal Pier would be? Get rid of the Boat Show and leave it free for anglers and small boat owners (no out of towners allowed - incl those nasty people from over the water eg Woolston and Hythe) Also want to know Southys definition of 'Southampton people'

wrong phil, i doing it for nothing, as long he provides the cords in the colours that he wants, can't charge for some thing that will take less than 10 min,s to do each one, and is good finger's exercise. and doing a job for cost has a profit is not a dirty word, its when you over charge the less wealthy for a profit who can't afford it is a dirty word, like your kind will do all the time. like your kind all ways want to know what is in it for them. keep mayflower park open with its water front like its meant to, royal peir give it to the people of southampton and rebuild it to the way it was. has one of the original family,s that got the boat show started before it came a commercialised adventure, i would not want to see it go. but its getting big and maybe a new location venue is needed so it can grow, like down in front of victoria park, in fact even locals could get one started there if they got together an organise it. your hear that woolston lot, "phil maccavity" thinks your not southampton and that you are nasty people and you hythe he thinks your nasty people to, you said it phil maccavity not me. lets put it this way, what we don't want is the well off coming here, taking the best location and then start dictating to us what we want and what we can have. its ok for them they can move out easy when they screw the place up, asset strip the best places.

Couple of things I dont understand here
1. How would someone randomly phone up a retired working class hero like Southy to do some ornamental lanyards? Is Southy in Yellow Pages?
2. When taking on a job does Southy first of all check he is local ('just moved in' doesnt sound a good start)
3. With regard to pricing does Southy need a statement of assets before he decides on a rate?
You look like Margaret Thatcher mate so its 4 grand + Vat, in cash
Oh so you are really that poor repressed Arthur Scargill in a dress. Two pence halpenny to you guv
Perhaps I am naiive but a person living in Ocean Village is likely to be a bit better off than in some other areas of the town.
Meanwhile as a paid employee I wonder what 'my kind' is supposed to be.
Presumably because I am not a far left socialist in keeping with 99.9% of the UK population I am a capatalist pig

Hantslad wrote:
I really can't be bothered to read this as it says Southy at the top. Can someone please explain in English without the Hi hknow hi hcant hspeak stuff?

Dr George wrote:
Looks good to me.
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Before all the moaners start, the plans have to include hotels, flats & shops etc because thats the only way the developers can make money. The City council has no money, so all these developments have to be done in partnership and hopefully we'll end up with something much better than we currently have (which right now, is an embarrassing eye sore).
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So go on, moan away, it's what Southampton people do best.

X Old Bill wrote:
I am struggling to work out the connection between:
A 17th century vote by acclamation when candidates were actually elected to what was a two party Parliament and:
A 21st century secret ballot where any Tom Dick or Harry can stand and a candidate lost his deposit by a considerable margin, and:
What on earth any of that has got to do with the Topic.

southy wrote:

X Old Bill wrote:
I am struggling to work out the connection between:
A 17th century vote by acclamation when candidates were actually elected to what was a two party Parliament and:
A 21st century secret ballot where any Tom Dick or Harry can stand and a candidate lost his deposit by a considerable margin, and:
What on earth any of that has got to do with the Topic.

nothing bill, it was that i pointing out that the tusc had the best results for first time new political party since the days of the wiggs who later became the liberals, even labour first time out had a lower number of votes and covering more seats, than the tusc. and look where labour is today.
another word just because the votes look a bit weak on the first time out, it don't really mean much, its when you had a number elections and you still looking weak like the bnp is. and look at the green party look how poor it was for them when they first started standing in a general election, and now they got an mp in government, it be interesting to see what improvements there will be at the next election, that is if it still first pass the post. if its this new pr voting that to will be interesting to see how it will fan out.
but i let them keep on, because all they are doing is helping me out to get the message out there that we are about a new party for the working people.

kvfrmn wrote:
Another piece of land taken away from the people of southampton. This area has been used and enjoyed by the people of this city for years, now its going taken for the money men. Another loss, why are the people ignored.

X Old Bill wrote:

southy wrote:

X Old Bill wrote:
I am struggling to work out the connection between:
A 17th century vote by acclamation when candidates were actually elected to what was a two party Parliament and:
A 21st century secret ballot where any Tom Dick or Harry can stand and a candidate lost his deposit by a considerable margin, and:
What on earth any of that has got to do with the Topic.

nothing bill, it was that i pointing out that the tusc had the best results for first time new political party since the days of the wiggs who later became the liberals, even labour first time out had a lower number of votes and covering more seats, than the tusc. and look where labour is today.
another word just because the votes look a bit weak on the first time out, it don't really mean much, its when you had a number elections and you still looking weak like the bnp is. and look at the green party look how poor it was for them when they first started standing in a general election, and now they got an mp in government, it be interesting to see what improvements there will be at the next election, that is if it still first pass the post. if its this new pr voting that to will be interesting to see how it will fan out.
but i let them keep on, because all they are doing is helping me out to get the message out there that we are about a new party for the working people.

It does not suit your argument to even mention the Common Wealth (Party), so I will because they seem to be the model for your little group.
At least they actually held a seat in the 1945 election, even if their member crossed the floor a year later, having seen the light.
And where are they now?

No_Fuss wrote:
Look's fantasic, but i'm afraid it wont even make it of the drawings shame as we are the Captial of the south coast !!! We should be a flag ship in all area's !

phil maccavity wrote:
'South Central Coast'

New one on me!!

southy wrote:
phil maccavity, hamwih can i point this out to you about the boat show, take a look at the plans it will reduce the amount of space for a boat show, this plan will reclaim the mud bank that the pontoons normally and moored on, so you will lose all this space, so no boats floating on the water, the other side will be a private marina. so doing this the boat show will more than likely up sticks and go else where, which there a nice place to able to do that over marchwood and hythe.

cyber_fug wrote:
Don't forget Southy also wants the government to buy Ocean Village and turn it into a container port to compete with DP World !

Vix1 wrote:
Enlarge Mayflower Park my foot!!!! Last time they were talking about building all over the area! and the only purpose they are talking about using it for is the boat show for all the snobs that don't even live in Southampton!! Guarantee you they wont be allowing us to park along the front to eat ice cream from the ice cream van that has been there FOREVER or for our children to play comfortably on the grass!! It's all a load of hot air designed to mollify those of us who would rather keep that area as it is.The pier itself is a historical feature, heap of rust or not!! Just because it doesn't make money, it has to go. Why is everything about money???????!!!!!!! What happened to enjoying lifes simple pleasures?? Gone on then, shoot me down in flames, but I don't care as I am also speaking for my 11 year old who is devastated that they want to take away something that has been a big part of her childhood!! Freedom of speech and all that!!

Hugh4me wrote:

Vix1 wrote: Enlarge Mayflower Park my foot!!!! Last time they were talking about building all over the area! and the only purpose they are talking about using it for is the boat show for all the snobs that don't even live in Southampton!! Guarantee you they wont be allowing us to park along the front to eat ice cream from the ice cream van that has been there FOREVER or for our children to play comfortably on the grass!! It's all a load of hot air designed to mollify those of us who would rather keep that area as it is.The pier itself is a historical feature, heap of rust or not!! Just because it doesn't make money, it has to go. Why is everything about money???????!!!!!!! What happened to enjoying lifes simple pleasures?? Gone on then, shoot me down in flames, but I don't care as I am also speaking for my 11 year old who is devastated that they want to take away something that has been a big part of her childhood!! Freedom of speech and all that!!

Well said! I have spent many a day out in Mayflower Park over the years with my son and now my grandson. You can rest assured that any redevelopment will say goodbye to the ice cream van and tea bar. They will almost certainly be replaced with an expensive restaurant and that the swings and the slide will be removed due to Health and Safety issues! Parking to the public will be reduced to allow for residents parking. There are plenty of other run down waterfront sites in Southampton that are in need of redevelopment.Why take away an area that has been enjoyed by people for many years and allows people to sit and watch the world go by?

southy wrote:

No_Fuss wrote: Look's fantasic, but i'm afraid it wont even make it of the drawings shame as we are the Captial of the south coast !!! We should be a flag ship in all area's !

winchester is the capitial of the south central coast not southampton

rjm wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . Get my drift? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
and plus the Biomass Plant if it gets built (although residents of Freemantle and Millbrook Wards are rallying against it). See the Facebook page!

I see this has turned into another election broadcast....

Dr George, people are not moaning they are giving opinions, and very valid ones at that..... just beause you may not like opinions pointing out that 'enlargement' of Mayflower Park could mean anything, or that the road systems are totally inadequate in that part of the city and the transport infrastructure needs drastically improving (not forgetting cuts to buses that have been made already), please don't accuse people of 'moaning'. I agree we do need more hotel space but their view will be obstructed by the white elephant of the Biomass Plant! The tower will be 300ft tall!

it is unrealistic. With the Watermark development of Westquay there will be more shops and restaurants too. That is far more likely to go ahead. As someone said Soton CC has a lousy track record with this sort of thing. Whilst a big development like this would boost the economy how viable is it?

As for people saying would you like a park/waterfront/walk

way improvement actually yes I wouldn't mind my council tax going to that instead of a 'sea museum' or new carpets in the CEO's office, or thousands of person hours in planning wasted on these 'schemes' which never come to fruition. It is frustrating to watch these being hashed and re-hashed over the years and many of us are VERY cynical and have a right to question it....

Hugh4me wrote:

Vix1 wrote:
Enlarge Mayflower Park my foot!!!! Last time they were talking about building all over the area! and the only purpose they are talking about using it for is the boat show for all the snobs that don't even live in Southampton!! Guarantee you they wont be allowing us to park along the front to eat ice cream from the ice cream van that has been there FOREVER or for our children to play comfortably on the grass!! It's all a load of hot air designed to mollify those of us who would rather keep that area as it is.The pier itself is a historical feature, heap of rust or not!! Just because it doesn't make money, it has to go. Why is everything about money???????!!!!!!! What happened to enjoying lifes simple pleasures?? Gone on then, shoot me down in flames, but I don't care as I am also speaking for my 11 year old who is devastated that they want to take away something that has been a big part of her childhood!! Freedom of speech and all that!!

Well said! I have spent many a day out in Mayflower Park over the years with my son and now my grandson. You can rest assured that any redevelopment will say goodbye to the ice cream van and tea bar. They will almost certainly be replaced with an expensive restaurant and that the swings and the slide will be removed due to Health and Safety issues! Parking to the public will be reduced to allow for residents parking. There are plenty of other run down waterfront sites in Southampton that are in need of redevelopment.Why take away an area that has been enjoyed by people for many years and allows people to sit and watch the world go by?

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
and plus the Biomass Plant if it gets built (although residents of Freemantle and Millbrook Wards are rallying against it). See the Facebook page!

I see this has turned into another election broadcast....

Dr George, people are not moaning they are giving opinions, and very valid ones at that..... just beause you may not like opinions pointing out that 'enlargement' of Mayflower Park could mean anything, or that the road systems are totally inadequate in that part of the city and the transport infrastructure needs drastically improving (not forgetting cuts to buses that have been made already), please don't accuse people of 'moaning'. I agree we do need more hotel space but their view will be obstructed by the white elephant of the Biomass Plant! The tower will be 300ft tall!

it is unrealistic. With the Watermark development of Westquay there will be more shops and restaurants too. That is far more likely to go ahead. As someone said Soton CC has a lousy track record with this sort of thing. Whilst a big development like this would boost the economy how viable is it?

As for people saying would you like a park/waterfront/walk

way improvement actually yes I wouldn't mind my council tax going to that instead of a 'sea museum' or new carpets in the CEO's office, or thousands of person hours in planning wasted on these 'schemes' which never come to fruition. It is frustrating to watch these being hashed and re-hashed over the years and many of us are VERY cynical and have a right to question it....

southy wrote:

Hugh4me wrote:

Vix1 wrote:
Enlarge Mayflower Park my foot!!!! Last time they were talking about building all over the area! and the only purpose they are talking about using it for is the boat show for all the snobs that don't even live in Southampton!! Guarantee you they wont be allowing us to park along the front to eat ice cream from the ice cream van that has been there FOREVER or for our children to play comfortably on the grass!! It's all a load of hot air designed to mollify those of us who would rather keep that area as it is.The pier itself is a historical feature, heap of rust or not!! Just because it doesn't make money, it has to go. Why is everything about money???????!!!!!!! What happened to enjoying lifes simple pleasures?? Gone on then, shoot me down in flames, but I don't care as I am also speaking for my 11 year old who is devastated that they want to take away something that has been a big part of her childhood!! Freedom of speech and all that!!

Well said! I have spent many a day out in Mayflower Park over the years with my son and now my grandson. You can rest assured that any redevelopment will say goodbye to the ice cream van and tea bar. They will almost certainly be replaced with an expensive restaurant and that the swings and the slide will be removed due to Health and Safety issues! Parking to the public will be reduced to allow for residents parking. There are plenty of other run down waterfront sites in Southampton that are in need of redevelopment.Why take away an area that has been enjoyed by people for many years and allows people to sit and watch the world go by?

good post both of you.

Family Bloke wrote:
Someone pass Royston a pillow, he is clearly dreaming if he thinks this will happen.

I wonder how much Royston and his sidekick Hannides will chuck at this pipe dream, feasibility study design, no doubt carried out by their friends at Capita, before they're told there is no money,,,stop now Royston before you make yourself even more stupid than you do already