Shivering Hampshire continues to struggle (From Daily Echo)

Hantslad wrote:
I do wish the weather men could at least get the weather forecast partly correct. It is supposed to be a bright morning and yet it is snowing heavily here right now!

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
One thing I do wish the schools would do is get secondary pupils to go and clear a few drives, paths for the elderly/disabled or something when there's a cold snap. They should keep a list of people who may need 'help' and send teams of young people out to them whilst they aren't at school for a couple of hours and it could count as a citizenship qualification or something. Colleges/Unis ought to follow suit.

Big Mac wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote: One thing I do wish the schools would do is get secondary pupils to go and clear a few drives, paths for the elderly/disabled or something when there's a cold snap. They should keep a list of people who may need 'help' and send teams of young people out to them whilst they aren't at school for a couple of hours and it could count as a citizenship qualification or something. Colleges/Unis ought to follow suit.

You forgot those issued with community service. There again, it's unlikely rewarding enough for them to get enthused about!

Dasal wrote:

Big Mac wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote: One thing I do wish the schools would do is get secondary pupils to go and clear a few drives, paths for the elderly/disabled or something when there's a cold snap. They should keep a list of people who may need 'help' and send teams of young people out to them whilst they aren't at school for a couple of hours and it could count as a citizenship qualification or something. Colleges/Unis ought to follow suit.

You forgot those issued with community service. There again, it's unlikely rewarding enough for them to get enthused about!

"Community Service" - they wont let them go out in the cold, will they - must be something in "human rights" about it !!!

Family Bloke wrote:

Dasal wrote:

Big Mac wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote: One thing I do wish the schools would do is get secondary pupils to go and clear a few drives, paths for the elderly/disabled or something when there's a cold snap. They should keep a list of people who may need 'help' and send teams of young people out to them whilst they aren't at school for a couple of hours and it could count as a citizenship qualification or something. Colleges/Unis ought to follow suit.

You forgot those issued with community service. There again, it's unlikely rewarding enough for them to get enthused about!

"Community Service" - they wont let them go out in the cold, will they - must be something in "human rights" about it !!!

Health and Safety won't allow the little darlings to work in these conditions.

downfader wrote:
I would like to thank First Bus for the fact that I phoned into work to get a last minute annual leave... their website stated that there was no service in the thornhill, sholing and woolston areas at 6am. Then at 7am when I'm clearing the front of ice I see a no10 bus roll past my house. Cheers for that. Thought they were cancelled. . Yesterday I walked it, full 6 miles. Fine in loose snow, compacted its lethal even in walking shoes. I have spiked shoe covers but the ice was too hard this morning for them to puncture.

davesbabe wrote:
why should my child have to go out in the cold, at risk to herself to clear someone driveway that she doesnt know?, they cant go to school because its too dangerous so why would she go to someones house and clear their drive??, why dont you do it?, its not just the schools that are keeping the children off some of us parents dont think its safe enough for them to go either, so i certainly wouldnt allow her to be out clearing the snow!! family should do their own relatives paths and drives, the way it used to be!!

Chartwell Chappers wrote:
The "Range Rover" is actually a Discovery.....

southy wrote:

Chartwell Chappers wrote:
The "Range Rover" is actually a Discovery.....

and a discovery is a range rover.

Mac -7c to -8c here last night.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I've just been from our house to town and would like to congratulate the city council as all the main roads are really clear!! I know those on foot are struggling, and we cleared the road outside our house this morning, if you whack the ice with a shovel vertically it breaks and you can then sweep away, if everyone did a little bit we could do more to clear side roads :) got there and back without any problems !

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I've just been from our house to town and would like to congratulate the city council as all the main roads are really clear!! I know those on foot are struggling, and we cleared the road outside our house this morning, if you whack the ice with a shovel vertically it breaks and you can then sweep away, if everyone did a little bit we could do more to clear side roads :) got there and back without any problems !

southy wrote:

Chartwell Chappers wrote:
The "Range Rover" is actually a Discovery.....

and a discovery is a range rover.

Mac -7c to -8c here last night.

Cyber-Fug wrote:

southy wrote:

Chartwell Chappers wrote:
The "Range Rover" is actually a Discovery.....

and a discovery is a range rover.

Mac -7c to -8c here last night.

Land Rover brands include Defender, Discovery, Freelander and Range Rover - the ranger rover models are Range Rover, Vogue & Sport - Therefore Landrover Discovery is not a Range Rover

Big Mac wrote:

southy wrote:

Chartwell Chappers wrote:
The "Range Rover" is actually a Discovery.....

and a discovery is a range rover.

Mac -7c to -8c here last night.

Thanks for info Southy. That would explain why I had icicles hanging from my icicles this morning!

(The Range Rover is out of shot – seriously no one would expect one of these to stop and help out, too many more important things to do!)

southy wrote:

Big Mac wrote:

southy wrote:

Chartwell Chappers wrote:
The "Range Rover" is actually a Discovery.....

and a discovery is a range rover.

Mac -7c to -8c here last night.

Thanks for info Southy. That would explain why I had icicles hanging from my icicles this morning!

(The Range Rover is out of shot – seriously no one would expect one of these to stop and help out, too many more important things to do!)

how cold did it get where you are mac any idea.

davesbabe wrote:
i never said i myself wouldnt do it, just that i wouldnt allow my 12 year old to do it!, she is not a slave has done nothing wrong so why should she have to risk her personal safety for someone she doesnt know? i have been helping my neighbours by clearing their paths etc because theyre old, i just said i wouldnt allow my child to do it!!!

Jerry Parsons wrote:
Davesbabe.......what a shining example of community spirit you have shown.

I hope that, should you ever need help you are not so unfortunate as to meet someone like yourself.

davesbabe wrote:

Jerry Parsons wrote:
Davesbabe.......what a shining example of community spirit you have shown.

I hope that, should you ever need help you are not so unfortunate as to meet someone like yourself.

maybe you should reread my original post where in there did i say i dont have community spirit and that i wouldnt help people myself??, i just love my children and wouldnt want them to get hurt so i wouldnt let them do it but would gladly do it myself which i have done!!

Big Mac wrote:

davesbabe wrote:

Jerry Parsons wrote:
Davesbabe.......what a shining example of community spirit you have shown.

I hope that, should you ever need help you are not so unfortunate as to meet someone like yourself.

maybe you should reread my original post where in there did i say i dont have community spirit and that i wouldnt help people myself??, i just love my children and wouldnt want them to get hurt so i wouldnt let them do it but would gladly do it myself which i have done!!

What suggests to you that your children may get hurt? Clearing paths, steps etc is generally considered reasonably safe, especially if supervised. An innocent snowball session or sleighing is likely to expose them to more potential harm. If more people unplugged the internet and Xboxes, kids would be more aware that community spirit can be rewarding for everyone.

freefinker wrote:

davesbabe wrote:
i never said i myself wouldnt do it, just that i wouldnt allow my 12 year old to do it!, she is not a slave has done nothing wrong so why should she have to risk her personal safety for someone she doesnt know? i have been helping my neighbours by clearing their paths etc because theyre old, i just said i wouldnt allow my child to do it!!!

.. but why not?
She's not made of porcelain, is she?
It’s not slavery – just being neighbourly, like you yourself have been.

MGRA wrote:
My Child is as school , the school is open. It was not dangerous to get there and the school is safe. OK so secondary schools have much more inter-class movement and are hard to make safe. But most primary schools should have opened today.

davesbabe wrote:

Big Mac wrote:

davesbabe wrote:

Jerry Parsons wrote:
Davesbabe.......what a shining example of community spirit you have shown.

I hope that, should you ever need help you are not so unfortunate as to meet someone like yourself.

maybe you should reread my original post where in there did i say i dont have community spirit and that i wouldnt help people myself??, i just love my children and wouldnt want them to get hurt so i wouldnt let them do it but would gladly do it myself which i have done!!

What suggests to you that your children may get hurt? Clearing paths, steps etc is generally considered reasonably safe, especially if supervised. An innocent snowball session or sleighing is likely to expose them to more potential harm. If more people unplugged the internet and Xboxes, kids would be more aware that community spirit can be rewarding for everyone.

what about all the ice out there today then? my children havent been out as i dont want them to slip and fall, community spirit is all well and good but you have to be sensible, my children often help out the neighbours by doing jobs etc for them but not at detriment to their own health, for the record my children dont own xboxes etc, we make cookies and craft things and read and play games so dont judge what you have no knowledge of, if its safe for my children to help the community they do, ive been outside today and nearly slipped, i would rather my children stayed indoors safe rather than going out slipping up and breaking an arm or a leg and having time off school when i can quite easily do the jobs myself!!!

davesbabe wrote:
why should my child have to go out in the cold, at risk to herself to clear someone driveway that she doesnt know?, they cant go to school because its too dangerous so why would she go to someones house and clear their drive??, why dont you do it?, its not just the schools that are keeping the children off some of us parents dont think its safe enough for them to go either, so i certainly wouldnt allow her to be out clearing the snow!! family should do their own relatives paths and drives, the way it used to be!!

Big Mac wrote:

davesbabe wrote:

Big Mac wrote:

davesbabe wrote:

Jerry Parsons wrote:
Davesbabe.......what a shining example of community spirit you have shown.

I hope that, should you ever need help you are not so unfortunate as to meet someone like yourself.

maybe you should reread my original post where in there did i say i dont have community spirit and that i wouldnt help people myself??, i just love my children and wouldnt want them to get hurt so i wouldnt let them do it but would gladly do it myself which i have done!!

What suggests to you that your children may get hurt? Clearing paths, steps etc is generally considered reasonably safe, especially if supervised. An innocent snowball session or sleighing is likely to expose them to more potential harm. If more people unplugged the internet and Xboxes, kids would be more aware that community spirit can be rewarding for everyone.

what about all the ice out there today then? my children havent been out as i dont want them to slip and fall, community spirit is all well and good but you have to be sensible, my children often help out the neighbours by doing jobs etc for them but not at detriment to their own health, for the record my children dont own xboxes etc, we make cookies and craft things and read and play games so dont judge what you have no knowledge of, if its safe for my children to help the community they do, ive been outside today and nearly slipped, i would rather my children stayed indoors safe rather than going out slipping up and breaking an arm or a leg and having time off school when i can quite easily do the jobs myself!!!

For the record, my last suggestion wasn't aimed at yourself or your children; it was intended as a generalisation. However, maybe they could accompany you to distribute some of those cookies you mention... or is that a step too far?

Also, it's worth remembering that if you find yourself in a hole, it's best to stop digging.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

davesbabe wrote:
why should my child have to go out in the cold, at risk to herself to clear someone driveway that she doesnt know?, they cant go to school because its too dangerous so why would she go to someones house and clear their drive??, why dont you do it?, its not just the schools that are keeping the children off some of us parents dont think its safe enough for them to go either, so i certainly wouldnt allow her to be out clearing the snow!! family should do their own relatives paths and drives, the way it used to be!!

Calm down dear, it's only a suggestion. And FYI we HAVE done it for several neighbours, my eldest who is 20 and at uni.

I certainly wouldn't object to my daughter doing it, if it was organised in teams for safety and under supervision. Even if it was just visiting some elderly people with Age Concern (or AgeUK as they're now called). I guess I'm slightly less suspicious of people and don't feel I have to wrap up my kids in cotton wool and want them to learn to be useful members of society. Frankly I don't see anything wrong with that but each to their own :)!

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

davesbabe wrote:
why should my child have to go out in the cold, at risk to herself to clear someone driveway that she doesnt know?, they cant go to school because its too dangerous so why would she go to someones house and clear their drive??, why dont you do it?, its not just the schools that are keeping the children off some of us parents dont think its safe enough for them to go either, so i certainly wouldnt allow her to be out clearing the snow!! family should do their own relatives paths and drives, the way it used to be!!

Calm down dear, it's only a suggestion. And FYI we HAVE done it for several neighbours, my eldest who is 20 and at uni.

I certainly wouldn't object to my daughter doing it, if it was organised in teams for safety and under supervision. Even if it was just visiting some elderly people with Age Concern (or AgeUK as they're now called). I guess I'm slightly less suspicious of people and don't feel I have to wrap up my kids in cotton wool and want them to learn to be useful members of society. Frankly I don't see anything wrong with that but each to their own :)!

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

davesbabe wrote:
why should my child have to go out in the cold, at risk to herself to clear someone driveway that she doesnt know?, they cant go to school because its too dangerous so why would she go to someones house and clear their drive??, why dont you do it?, its not just the schools that are keeping the children off some of us parents dont think its safe enough for them to go either, so i certainly wouldnt allow her to be out clearing the snow!! family should do their own relatives paths and drives, the way it used to be!!

Calm down dear, it's only a suggestion. And FYI we HAVE done it for several neighbours, my eldest who is 20 and at uni.

I certainly wouldn't object to my daughter doing it, if it was organised in teams for safety and under supervision. Even if it was just visiting some elderly people with Age Concern (or AgeUK as they're now called). I guess I'm slightly less suspicious of people and don't feel I have to wrap up my kids in cotton wool and want them to learn to be useful members of society. Frankly I don't see anything wrong with that but each to their own :)!

Oh and my youngest are disabled, they both have hypotonia and I obviously cannot expect them to do anything as they have difficulties. When they're older perhaps. I've seen plenty of kids out and about today but obviously if a child has a disability they cannot. I do feel strongly we should all be asking our kids to do more things in the community as a whole and getting into the habit of helping others out. As my youngest children also benefit from a lot of organisations, we like to 'give something back' too !

davesbabe wrote:

Big Mac wrote:

davesbabe wrote:

Big Mac wrote:

davesbabe wrote:

Jerry Parsons wrote:
Davesbabe.......what a shining example of community spirit you have shown.

I hope that, should you ever need help you are not so unfortunate as to meet someone like yourself.

maybe you should reread my original post where in there did i say i dont have community spirit and that i wouldnt help people myself??, i just love my children and wouldnt want them to get hurt so i wouldnt let them do it but would gladly do it myself which i have done!!

What suggests to you that your children may get hurt? Clearing paths, steps etc is generally considered reasonably safe, especially if supervised. An innocent snowball session or sleighing is likely to expose them to more potential harm. If more people unplugged the internet and Xboxes, kids would be more aware that community spirit can be rewarding for everyone.

what about all the ice out there today then? my children havent been out as i dont want them to slip and fall, community spirit is all well and good but you have to be sensible, my children often help out the neighbours by doing jobs etc for them but not at detriment to their own health, for the record my children dont own xboxes etc, we make cookies and craft things and read and play games so dont judge what you have no knowledge of, if its safe for my children to help the community they do, ive been outside today and nearly slipped, i would rather my children stayed indoors safe rather than going out slipping up and breaking an arm or a leg and having time off school when i can quite easily do the jobs myself!!!

For the record, my last suggestion wasn't aimed at yourself or your children; it was intended as a generalisation. However, maybe they could accompany you to distribute some of those cookies you mention... or is that a step too far?

Also, it's worth remembering that if you find yourself in a hole, it's best to stop digging.

if it wasnt aimed at me why did you directly quote me and comment then? for the record we do give our cookies and cakes to the neighbours, and im not in a hole or digging maybe you are though eh?,

RobJChase wrote:
I am

adam1981 wrote:
i'm with daves babe here.Just want to say why don't all you whingers go and help people yourself instead of expecting kids to do it? makes me laugh when the person writes that kids should get off there xbox and do something for the community when quite clearly he or she is sitting there on a bloody computer,quite laughable really.Also i think davesbabe should be praised for being a loving parent who tries to protect her children,maybe if more people were like her there wouldn't be kids roaming the streets at all ages intimidating people.Respect to davesbabe!

Big Mac wrote:

adam1981 wrote: i'm with daves babe here.Just want to say why don't all you whingers go and help people yourself instead of expecting kids to do it? makes me laugh when the person writes that kids should get off there xbox and do something for the community when quite clearly he or she is sitting there on a bloody computer,quite laughable really.Also i think davesbabe should be praised for being a loving parent who tries to protect her children,maybe if more people were like her there wouldn't be kids roaming the streets at all ages intimidating people.Respect to davesbabe!

i'm with daves babe here. Good for you. Not so sure what Dave will think when he gets home?

southy wrote:

RobJChase wrote: I am

then you will remember the much harder and longer winters and deeper snow, has i do and going to school in shorts,schools never closing down except for real extremes of cold snowy weather. how is it that we use to cope back then, and not now.

Spot O'Bother wrote:
Hmmm......it would appear that foriegners have a point when they say that the English only talk about the weather. Does anyone else think that Davesbabe 'protest to much'?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is pretty lethal out there this morning, it rained overnight and washed a lot of snow away, however the standing water is now freezing into black ice, especially on pavements and car parks. Stay indoors until the temperature rises later is my advice.

milton road wrote:
All that pent up energy, most seeming fairly negaitive. You could of all been out clearing peoples drives. So easy to sit and tell other people what they should and should not be doing.
I would of thought far more to the point to get the un-employed out helping. They get a cheque for doing nothing. Are adult and quite capable of doing such things.
Agreed if your next door neighbour, is elderly it is nice to check out they are alright. Yet you do not need to be child to do that, you can be any age.
I am a grandparent and I would not like to think of my grandchild trudging the streets cold and wet, tyring to clear drives, when there are plenty of adults sitting at home and more than capable of being neighbourly.
It doesn't hurt families as a whole to look out for elderly people close to them, i.e. relatives or neighbours. But for a widespread community project, give it to the un-employed.