More snow falls as Hampshire freezes (From Daily Echo)

What is the big fuss over snow??

How do planes land in ski resorts??

I travelled over 200 miles over the weekend and had no problems. The main road are fine to drive on.

There's always one idiot in shorts or tee shirt and shorts. Ooooo well done you're freezing but pretending not to notice/care.

S/W year-road.... apt for the amount of time some people are stuck

bigfella wrote:
There's always one idiot in shorts or tee shirt and shorts. Ooooo well done you're freezing but pretending not to notice/care.

S/W year-road.... apt for the amount of time some people are stuck

When you are working/on the move you don't feel the cold! When I went skiing I was in a t-shirt.

there,s a low pressure coming up the channel, this could mean more snow or freezing rain. down on the coast of cornwall its freezing rain at the moment while turning into snow in land over the moors.

Thursday, that could be the worst of it, I have just consulted my seaweed.

For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky.
What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December.
what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

southy wrote:
For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky.
What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December.
what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

.. why "special" because it coincides with the winter solstice?
It’s just another day of the year.

I drove early in the morning on Sat, (scary) but manageable. By lunchtime the main roads were clear :)

I drove to Eastleigh yesterday and it was amazingly clear so overall I think the councils have it right. Side roads (with hills) are dicey I know. I had carer yesterday who managed to get to us from Beaulieu without too much problem :)

I wondered the same thing about planes in ski resorts, Lapland etc! it's a huge job I guess as they're enormous airports and very busy. I feel so sorry for all the people who haven't been able to fly :(

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky.
What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December.
what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

.. why "special" because it coincides with the winter solstice?
It’s just another day of the year.

not just another day ff, its the shortest day of the year. and luna eclipse just don't normally fall on this day. and is a cycle that takes 200 to 220 years to complete.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky.
What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December.
what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

.. why "special" because it coincides with the winter solstice?
It’s just another day of the year.

not just another day ff, its the shortest day of the year. and luna eclipse just don't normally fall on this day. and is a cycle that takes 200 to 220 years to complete.

1) all days are 24 hours in duration.
2) the fact that 21 December had the shortest period of daylight in the northern hemisphere is totally irrelevant to lunar eclipses.
3) lunar eclipses are just as likely to fall on 21 December as any other day.
4) your 200 to 220 year cycle is twaddle.

southy wrote:
For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky. What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December. what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

Thanks for that, I shall keep an eye out for what is one of the best days of the year. We've turned the corner & the days are getting longer.

It's getting silly now. Not the snow, but all this ongoing over reaction from weather forecasters, news reporters and businesses. It's snowing, it's cold and, in case you haven't realised, it's winter. We might not have had this much snow for several years, but now it's here why does everything grind to a halt? It was a joy driving to work though, with hardly any traffic on the roads. However, I am slightly concerned about the reporting that reads "Motorists were reduced to snail pace on the M27 when the downfall was at its heaviest on Saturday, with outer lanes completely covered". This was obviously a different M27 to the one I drove along on Saturday!! It was surprisingly clear and full marks should go to the gritting teams.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I drove early in the morning on Sat, (scary) but manageable. By lunchtime the main roads were clear :)

I drove to Eastleigh yesterday and it was amazingly clear so overall I think the councils have it right. Side roads (with hills) are dicey I know. I had carer yesterday who managed to get to us from Beaulieu without too much problem :)

I wondered the same thing about planes in ski resorts, Lapland etc! it's a huge job I guess as they're enormous airports and very busy. I feel so sorry for all the people who haven't been able to fly :(

the problem is FM2 is that is been 30 years since we had winters like this, to me it seems more like the 70's winters, than the mild winters of the mid 80's 90's and 00's.
people are not use to it and have forgotten what winters can be like, or not seen winters like this, and they just don't know how to cope. some times its best not to grit'salt roads and let people learn. like on new zealand south island, but they will use volcanic ash when there,s small amount of snow and ice.

southy wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I drove early in the morning on Sat, (scary) but manageable. By lunchtime the main roads were clear :)

I drove to Eastleigh yesterday and it was amazingly clear so overall I think the councils have it right. Side roads (with hills) are dicey I know. I had carer yesterday who managed to get to us from Beaulieu without too much problem :)

I wondered the same thing about planes in ski resorts, Lapland etc! it's a huge job I guess as they're enormous airports and very busy. I feel so sorry for all the people who haven't been able to fly :(

the problem is FM2 is that is been 30 years since we had winters like this, to me it seems more like the 70's winters, than the mild winters of the mid 80's 90's and 00's.
people are not use to it and have forgotten what winters can be like, or not seen winters like this, and they just don't know how to cope. some times its best not to grit'salt roads and let people learn. like on new zealand south island, but they will use volcanic ash when there,s small amount of snow and ice.

.. while basically in agreement with your analysis of the winters of different decades, I must say I am very surprised you did not link this mild winters phenomena of the 80’s onwards to Thatcher's victory in 1979 and the continuous period of Thatcherite governments we have had since then.
Surely, she must be to blame? It's too much of a coincidence, is it not?

southy wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I drove early in the morning on Sat, (scary) but manageable. By lunchtime the main roads were clear :)

I drove to Eastleigh yesterday and it was amazingly clear so overall I think the councils have it right. Side roads (with hills) are dicey I know. I had carer yesterday who managed to get to us from Beaulieu without too much problem :)

I wondered the same thing about planes in ski resorts, Lapland etc! it's a huge job I guess as they're enormous airports and very busy. I feel so sorry for all the people who haven't been able to fly :(

the problem is FM2 is that is been 30 years since we had winters like this, to me it seems more like the 70's winters, than the mild winters of the mid 80's 90's and 00's.
people are not use to it and have forgotten what winters can be like, or not seen winters like this, and they just don't know how to cope. some times its best not to grit'salt roads and let people learn. like on new zealand south island, but they will use volcanic ash when there,s small amount of snow and ice.

So what you're saying is that we've become a nation of wimps and whingers.

Sounds about right to me.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky.
What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December.
what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

.. why "special" because it coincides with the winter solstice?
It’s just another day of the year.

not just another day ff, its the shortest day of the year. and luna eclipse just don't normally fall on this day. and is a cycle that takes 200 to 220 years to complete.

1) all days are 24 hours in duration.
2) the fact that 21 December had the shortest period of daylight in the northern hemisphere is totally irrelevant to lunar eclipses.
3) lunar eclipses are just as likely to fall on 21 December as any other day.
4) your 200 to 220 year cycle is twaddle.

1/ yes, well close to being 24 hours long.
2/ yes and no
3/ no lunar eclipses are not likey to fall on 21st dec, normal time for luna eclipses,more likely equinox and a few mths either side, and can only happen when the its a full moon.
4/ its not twaddle at all, there is a 200 to 220 obit cycle that produce the same gravitation pull, that produces the highest and lowest astronomical tides, and about every 2,200 years about you get the lowest rise in the sky of the moon, whitch happened only about 4 years ago, and the highest high tide happen in the very early 80's, and the lowest low tide happened in early mid 80's.

if you learn how to navigate you would be taught this.

heck that rain is freezing

Snow ploughs with triangular fronts are more effective as the snow through the speed of the vehicle is pushed to either side of the road. (See snow ploughs of similar design in operation in other countries).

sotonwinch09 wrote:

bigfella wrote:
There's always one idiot in shorts or tee shirt and shorts. Ooooo well done you're freezing but pretending not to notice/care.

S/W year-road.... apt for the amount of time some people are stuck

When you are working/on the move you don't feel the cold! When I went skiing I was in a t-shirt.

Agree with you Sotonwinch09..
Bigfella,,the postman is NOT an idiot. Postpersons are out at 4 -5am in all weathers, they walk quickly for hours and they get warm!..Have you also thought that some people don't feel the cold like others!

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky.
What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December.
what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

.. why "special" because it coincides with the winter solstice?
It’s just another day of the year.

not just another day ff, its the shortest day of the year. and luna eclipse just don't normally fall on this day. and is a cycle that takes 200 to 220 years to complete.

1) all days are 24 hours in duration.
2) the fact that 21 December had the shortest period of daylight in the northern hemisphere is totally irrelevant to lunar eclipses.
3) lunar eclipses are just as likely to fall on 21 December as any other day.
4) your 200 to 220 year cycle is twaddle.

1/ yes, well close to being 24 hours long.
2/ yes and no
3/ no lunar eclipses are not likey to fall on 21st dec, normal time for luna eclipses,more likely equinox and a few mths either side, and can only happen when the its a full moon.
4/ its not twaddle at all, there is a 200 to 220 obit cycle that produce the same gravitation pull, that produces the highest and lowest astronomical tides, and about every 2,200 years about you get the lowest rise in the sky of the moon, whitch happened only about 4 years ago, and the highest high tide happen in the very early 80's, and the lowest low tide happened in early mid 80's.

if you learn how to navigate you would be taught this.

I agree there are regular cycles concerning the Moon's orbit of Earth and lunar eclipses can only occur at a full moon.
However, as the lunar synodic period of 29.53 Earth days bears no mathematical relationship to the calendar we have constructed around our 365.25 day orbit of the sun, lunar eclipses are just as possible on any of the 365 or 366 days of our years.
It is this, and this alone, that determines the human-made calendar dates of possible eclipses.

the moon orbits the earth like the earth orbits the sun. the moon has its closes point to the earth, has do the earth has its closes point to the sun (whitch is jan 6th at the moment and only has a variation seconds per year but its getting close now to being the 7th jan). but with the moon its takes 2,200 years about to be at the same point in the sky. and every 200 to 220 years it comes close to that same point in the sky. this is because of the earth orbiting the sun on a axis. and is the same reason why you get luna eclipses at the time near the equinox, the earths axis, the shadow of the earth is cone shape, so the moon picks up light from the sun over the poles has well has the sides, and when we are in or near the equinox (when the moon crosses the equator line) is the most likely time that the moon will pass though the earth shadow. and makes luna eclipses rare on the 21st june and 21st dec, and another thing that makes this odd, it the time of the day it taken place, luna eclipses normally happening apart from the rare ones like this, take place between 21-30 hours to 02-30 hours gmt.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, but the phase cycle is 29.5 days.

southy wrote:
the moon orbits the earth like the earth orbits the sun. the moon has its closes point to the earth, has do the earth has its closes point to the sun (whitch is jan 6th at the moment and only has a variation seconds per year but its getting close now to being the 7th jan). but with the moon its takes 2,200 years about to be at the same point in the sky. and every 200 to 220 years it comes close to that same point in the sky. this is because of the earth orbiting the sun on a axis. and is the same reason why you get luna eclipses at the time near the equinox, the earths axis, the shadow of the earth is cone shape, so the moon picks up light from the sun over the poles has well has the sides, and when we are in or near the equinox (when the moon crosses the equator line) is the most likely time that the moon will pass though the earth shadow. and makes luna eclipses rare on the 21st june and 21st dec, and another thing that makes this odd, it the time of the day it taken place, luna eclipses normally happening apart from the rare ones like this, take place between 21-30 hours to 02-30 hours gmt.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, but the phase cycle is 29.5 days.

southy, I haven't even bothered to try and fathom out what you are now trying to say.
The simple FACT is, despite all your waffle about the variations in the orbits of both Earth and Moon, there is the POTENTIAL for a lunar eclipse every 29.53 days - i.e. every full moon.
Every single day of our calendar can potentially coincide with a full moon and NO DATE has any greater or lesser chance of being either a full moon or an eclipse.
The peculiarity of the interplay of the variations of both bodies’ respective orbits produces the randomness of the lunar eclipses we actually do experience.
That, however, does NOT alter the FACT that all 365/6 days of our calendar have an equal chance of an eclipse.

Southy, on a clear night I can see Uranus.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
the moon orbits the earth like the earth orbits the sun. the moon has its closes point to the earth, has do the earth has its closes point to the sun (whitch is jan 6th at the moment and only has a variation seconds per year but its getting close now to being the 7th jan). but with the moon its takes 2,200 years about to be at the same point in the sky. and every 200 to 220 years it comes close to that same point in the sky. this is because of the earth orbiting the sun on a axis. and is the same reason why you get luna eclipses at the time near the equinox, the earths axis, the shadow of the earth is cone shape, so the moon picks up light from the sun over the poles has well has the sides, and when we are in or near the equinox (when the moon crosses the equator line) is the most likely time that the moon will pass though the earth shadow. and makes luna eclipses rare on the 21st june and 21st dec, and another thing that makes this odd, it the time of the day it taken place, luna eclipses normally happening apart from the rare ones like this, take place between 21-30 hours to 02-30 hours gmt.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, but the phase cycle is 29.5 days.

southy, I haven't even bothered to try and fathom out what you are now trying to say.
The simple FACT is, despite all your waffle about the variations in the orbits of both Earth and Moon, there is the POTENTIAL for a lunar eclipse every 29.53 days - i.e. every full moon.
Every single day of our calendar can potentially coincide with a full moon and NO DATE has any greater or lesser chance of being either a full moon or an eclipse.
The peculiarity of the interplay of the variations of both bodies’ respective orbits produces the randomness of the lunar eclipses we actually do experience.
That, however, does NOT alter the FACT that all 365/6 days of our calendar have an equal chance of an eclipse.

no there is not, its because of the earth axis to the sun why it is rare to see an luna eclipses on or even near the dates of 21st june and the 21st dec, luna eclipses happen about 4 times every year, some times they be full eclipses others will be part eclipses, and it will depend on how close they are to the equinox of stage of the moon, whitch happens on the 21st march and 21st october.
because of the earth axis this gives the appearance of the moon crossing the equator, and will pass though the earth shadow, when moon is at its greatest point north or south of the equator the moon picks up light from the sun over the top of the poles, so you don,t get luna eclipses on the 21st june and 21st dec, and the moon passes over the top or underneath the earth shadow.
remember the earth shadow is cone shape.
and i just been told the reason why we are having this luna eclipse odd time of the year, its because of the earth natural wobble that it has on its axis.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
the moon orbits the earth like the earth orbits the sun. the moon has its closes point to the earth, has do the earth has its closes point to the sun (whitch is jan 6th at the moment and only has a variation seconds per year but its getting close now to being the 7th jan). but with the moon its takes 2,200 years about to be at the same point in the sky. and every 200 to 220 years it comes close to that same point in the sky. this is because of the earth orbiting the sun on a axis. and is the same reason why you get luna eclipses at the time near the equinox, the earths axis, the shadow of the earth is cone shape, so the moon picks up light from the sun over the poles has well has the sides, and when we are in or near the equinox (when the moon crosses the equator line) is the most likely time that the moon will pass though the earth shadow. and makes luna eclipses rare on the 21st june and 21st dec, and another thing that makes this odd, it the time of the day it taken place, luna eclipses normally happening apart from the rare ones like this, take place between 21-30 hours to 02-30 hours gmt.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, but the phase cycle is 29.5 days.

southy, I haven't even bothered to try and fathom out what you are now trying to say.
The simple FACT is, despite all your waffle about the variations in the orbits of both Earth and Moon, there is the POTENTIAL for a lunar eclipse every 29.53 days - i.e. every full moon.
Every single day of our calendar can potentially coincide with a full moon and NO DATE has any greater or lesser chance of being either a full moon or an eclipse.
The peculiarity of the interplay of the variations of both bodies’ respective orbits produces the randomness of the lunar eclipses we actually do experience.
That, however, does NOT alter the FACT that all 365/6 days of our calendar have an equal chance of an eclipse.

no there is not, its because of the earth axis to the sun why it is rare to see an luna eclipses on or even near the dates of 21st june and the 21st dec, luna eclipses happen about 4 times every year, some times they be full eclipses others will be part eclipses, and it will depend on how close they are to the equinox of stage of the moon, whitch happens on the 21st march and 21st october.
because of the earth axis this gives the appearance of the moon crossing the equator, and will pass though the earth shadow, when moon is at its greatest point north or south of the equator the moon picks up light from the sun over the top of the poles, so you don,t get luna eclipses on the 21st june and 21st dec, and the moon passes over the top or underneath the earth shadow.
remember the earth shadow is cone shape.
and i just been told the reason why we are having this luna eclipse odd time of the year, its because of the earth natural wobble that it has on its axis.

.. the Earths axis has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with lunar eclipses, FULL STOP.
.
To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball. It casts a shadow in the direction of our satellite every full moon. Usually the Moon is a little above or below this shadow due to its orbital eccentricities – but sometimes it passes through this shadow to give a lunar eclipse.
.
It matters not a single jot as to what angle the Earth’s axis is, or as to any particular time of the year it may be.
.
Planet Earth is ALWAYS a spherical ball casting an almost IDENTICAL shadow away from the Sun.

What an astronomical drivel!

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
the moon orbits the earth like the earth orbits the sun. the moon has its closes point to the earth, has do the earth has its closes point to the sun (whitch is jan 6th at the moment and only has a variation seconds per year but its getting close now to being the 7th jan). but with the moon its takes 2,200 years about to be at the same point in the sky. and every 200 to 220 years it comes close to that same point in the sky. this is because of the earth orbiting the sun on a axis. and is the same reason why you get luna eclipses at the time near the equinox, the earths axis, the shadow of the earth is cone shape, so the moon picks up light from the sun over the poles has well has the sides, and when we are in or near the equinox (when the moon crosses the equator line) is the most likely time that the moon will pass though the earth shadow. and makes luna eclipses rare on the 21st june and 21st dec, and another thing that makes this odd, it the time of the day it taken place, luna eclipses normally happening apart from the rare ones like this, take place between 21-30 hours to 02-30 hours gmt.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, but the phase cycle is 29.5 days.

southy, I haven't even bothered to try and fathom out what you are now trying to say.
The simple FACT is, despite all your waffle about the variations in the orbits of both Earth and Moon, there is the POTENTIAL for a lunar eclipse every 29.53 days - i.e. every full moon.
Every single day of our calendar can potentially coincide with a full moon and NO DATE has any greater or lesser chance of being either a full moon or an eclipse.
The peculiarity of the interplay of the variations of both bodies’ respective orbits produces the randomness of the lunar eclipses we actually do experience.
That, however, does NOT alter the FACT that all 365/6 days of our calendar have an equal chance of an eclipse.

no there is not, its because of the earth axis to the sun why it is rare to see an luna eclipses on or even near the dates of 21st june and the 21st dec, luna eclipses happen about 4 times every year, some times they be full eclipses others will be part eclipses, and it will depend on how close they are to the equinox of stage of the moon, whitch happens on the 21st march and 21st october.
because of the earth axis this gives the appearance of the moon crossing the equator, and will pass though the earth shadow, when moon is at its greatest point north or south of the equator the moon picks up light from the sun over the top of the poles, so you don,t get luna eclipses on the 21st june and 21st dec, and the moon passes over the top or underneath the earth shadow.
remember the earth shadow is cone shape.
and i just been told the reason why we are having this luna eclipse odd time of the year, its because of the earth natural wobble that it has on its axis.

.. the Earths axis has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with lunar eclipses, FULL STOP.
.
To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball. It casts a shadow in the direction of our satellite every full moon. Usually the Moon is a little above or below this shadow due to its orbital eccentricities – but sometimes it passes through this shadow to give a lunar eclipse.
.
It matters not a single jot as to what angle the Earth’s axis is, or as to any particular time of the year it may be.
.
Planet Earth is ALWAYS a spherical ball casting an almost IDENTICAL shadow away from the Sun.

the earth has every thing to do with luna eclipses, if the earth axis tilt to the sun, was zero and the moon had the same orbit, you would get luna eclipses every 28 days with out fail.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, the phase cycle takes 29.5 days. the shadow from the sun is cone shape ( has the shadow moves away from the earth it tapers in, getting narrower). the moon orbit limit runs on the two tropics lines capricorn and cancer and passes over the equator, when the earth axis is pointing to wards the sun one end and the other end is pointing away, the moon orbit will take it over or under the earth shadow, and the spot where moon crosses the earth equator, is side on to the earth and sun, when the earth axis is side on to the sun, it now puts the point where the moon transverse over the equator in line with the sun. so the moon passes though the shadow of the sun.
i think the best way for you, would be to learn how to navigate at sea using the sun, moon and stars. and then you see what i mean, because its the same reason why spring tides at the spring and autumn equinox are higher and lower than the spring tides at the summer and winter solaces.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote: the moon orbits the earth like the earth orbits the sun. the moon has its closes point to the earth, has do the earth has its closes point to the sun (whitch is jan 6th at the moment and only has a variation seconds per year but its getting close now to being the 7th jan). but with the moon its takes 2,200 years about to be at the same point in the sky. and every 200 to 220 years it comes close to that same point in the sky. this is because of the earth orbiting the sun on a axis. and is the same reason why you get luna eclipses at the time near the equinox, the earths axis, the shadow of the earth is cone shape, so the moon picks up light from the sun over the poles has well has the sides, and when we are in or near the equinox (when the moon crosses the equator line) is the most likely time that the moon will pass though the earth shadow. and makes luna eclipses rare on the 21st june and 21st dec, and another thing that makes this odd, it the time of the day it taken place, luna eclipses normally happening apart from the rare ones like this, take place between 21-30 hours to 02-30 hours gmt. the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, but the phase cycle is 29.5 days.

southy, I haven't even bothered to try and fathom out what you are now trying to say. The simple FACT is, despite all your waffle about the variations in the orbits of both Earth and Moon, there is the POTENTIAL for a lunar eclipse every 29.53 days - i.e. every full moon. Every single day of our calendar can potentially coincide with a full moon and NO DATE has any greater or lesser chance of being either a full moon or an eclipse. The peculiarity of the interplay of the variations of both bodies’ respective orbits produces the randomness of the lunar eclipses we actually do experience. That, however, does NOT alter the FACT that all 365/6 days of our calendar have an equal chance of an eclipse.

no there is not, its because of the earth axis to the sun why it is rare to see an luna eclipses on or even near the dates of 21st june and the 21st dec, luna eclipses happen about 4 times every year, some times they be full eclipses others will be part eclipses, and it will depend on how close they are to the equinox of stage of the moon, whitch happens on the 21st march and 21st october. because of the earth axis this gives the appearance of the moon crossing the equator, and will pass though the earth shadow, when moon is at its greatest point north or south of the equator the moon picks up light from the sun over the top of the poles, so you don,t get luna eclipses on the 21st june and 21st dec, and the moon passes over the top or underneath the earth shadow. remember the earth shadow is cone shape. and i just been told the reason why we are having this luna eclipse odd time of the year, its because of the earth natural wobble that it has on its axis.

.. the Earths axis has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with lunar eclipses, FULL STOP. . To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball. It casts a shadow in the direction of our satellite every full moon. Usually the Moon is a little above or below this shadow due to its orbital eccentricities – but sometimes it passes through this shadow to give a lunar eclipse. . It matters not a single jot as to what angle the Earth’s axis is, or as to any particular time of the year it may be. . Planet Earth is ALWAYS a spherical ball casting an almost IDENTICAL shadow away from the Sun.

The Earth is an Oblique spheroid, not a spherical ball! Is there any other type of ball but spherical? Also, is there anything we can do about it? Move on and stop your bickering.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
the moon orbits the earth like the earth orbits the sun. the moon has its closes point to the earth, has do the earth has its closes point to the sun (whitch is jan 6th at the moment and only has a variation seconds per year but its getting close now to being the 7th jan). but with the moon its takes 2,200 years about to be at the same point in the sky. and every 200 to 220 years it comes close to that same point in the sky. this is because of the earth orbiting the sun on a axis. and is the same reason why you get luna eclipses at the time near the equinox, the earths axis, the shadow of the earth is cone shape, so the moon picks up light from the sun over the poles has well has the sides, and when we are in or near the equinox (when the moon crosses the equator line) is the most likely time that the moon will pass though the earth shadow. and makes luna eclipses rare on the 21st june and 21st dec, and another thing that makes this odd, it the time of the day it taken place, luna eclipses normally happening apart from the rare ones like this, take place between 21-30 hours to 02-30 hours gmt.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, but the phase cycle is 29.5 days.

southy, I haven't even bothered to try and fathom out what you are now trying to say.
The simple FACT is, despite all your waffle about the variations in the orbits of both Earth and Moon, there is the POTENTIAL for a lunar eclipse every 29.53 days - i.e. every full moon.
Every single day of our calendar can potentially coincide with a full moon and NO DATE has any greater or lesser chance of being either a full moon or an eclipse.
The peculiarity of the interplay of the variations of both bodies’ respective orbits produces the randomness of the lunar eclipses we actually do experience.
That, however, does NOT alter the FACT that all 365/6 days of our calendar have an equal chance of an eclipse.

no there is not, its because of the earth axis to the sun why it is rare to see an luna eclipses on or even near the dates of 21st june and the 21st dec, luna eclipses happen about 4 times every year, some times they be full eclipses others will be part eclipses, and it will depend on how close they are to the equinox of stage of the moon, whitch happens on the 21st march and 21st october.
because of the earth axis this gives the appearance of the moon crossing the equator, and will pass though the earth shadow, when moon is at its greatest point north or south of the equator the moon picks up light from the sun over the top of the poles, so you don,t get luna eclipses on the 21st june and 21st dec, and the moon passes over the top or underneath the earth shadow.
remember the earth shadow is cone shape.
and i just been told the reason why we are having this luna eclipse odd time of the year, its because of the earth natural wobble that it has on its axis.

.. the Earths axis has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with lunar eclipses, FULL STOP.
.
To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball. It casts a shadow in the direction of our satellite every full moon. Usually the Moon is a little above or below this shadow due to its orbital eccentricities – but sometimes it passes through this shadow to give a lunar eclipse.
.
It matters not a single jot as to what angle the Earth’s axis is, or as to any particular time of the year it may be.
.
Planet Earth is ALWAYS a spherical ball casting an almost IDENTICAL shadow away from the Sun.

the earth has every thing to do with luna eclipses, if the earth axis tilt to the sun, was zero and the moon had the same orbit, you would get luna eclipses every 28 days with out fail.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, the phase cycle takes 29.5 days. the shadow from the sun is cone shape ( has the shadow moves away from the earth it tapers in, getting narrower). the moon orbit limit runs on the two tropics lines capricorn and cancer and passes over the equator, when the earth axis is pointing to wards the sun one end and the other end is pointing away, the moon orbit will take it over or under the earth shadow, and the spot where moon crosses the earth equator, is side on to the earth and sun, when the earth axis is side on to the sun, it now puts the point where the moon transverse over the equator in line with the sun. so the moon passes though the shadow of the sun.
i think the best way for you, would be to learn how to navigate at sea using the sun, moon and stars. and then you see what i mean, because its the same reason why spring tides at the spring and autumn equinox are higher and lower than the spring tides at the summer and winter solaces.

southy, when will you ever listen.
The Earth's axis is currently 23.44 degrees.
It's what gives us earthlings our seasons.
The axis and our seasons have NOTHING to do with lunar eclipses.
It could be 0, 50 or 90 degrees, but the SHADOW Earth would cast into space would be EXACTLY the same.

@ forest hump
1) Agree Earth is not a true sphere but as I said somewhere above "To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball" - which it is for the purposes of eclipses.
2) A rugby ball – is that spherical?
3) It irritates me when southy posts scientific rubbish.

freefinker wrote:
@ forest hump
1) Agree Earth is not a true sphere but as I said somewhere above "To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball" - which it is for the purposes of eclipses.
2) A rugby ball – is that spherical?
3) It irritates me when southy posts scientific rubbish.

Re 3 - what about the other rubbish he posts?

freefinker wrote:
@ forest hump
1) Agree Earth is not a true sphere but as I said somewhere above "To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball" - which it is for the purposes of eclipses.
2) A rugby ball – is that spherical?
3) It irritates me when southy posts scientific rubbish.

Trying to sensibly debate with a Luna-tic is scientifically impossible.

Especially a Luna-tic who frequently mis-spells the word "weather".

:-)

first you have a postie sueing for unjust firing because he is in jail for murder,then you have a photo of another idiot postie delivering the mail in shorts & tee shirt in the snow.or are they all idiots!!!!!!!

southy wrote:
For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky. What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December. what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

Well well well Southy! Just watched a report on BBC Breakfast and it would appear you are correct. It's rare for a lunar eclipse to happen on the winter solstice. In fact, the last time this happened was in 1638 and the next isn't for 84 years.
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Oooh, get you getting something right!!!! =)

bigronthestaff wrote:

southy wrote:
For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky. What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December. what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

Well well well Southy! Just watched a report on BBC Breakfast and it would appear you are correct. It's rare for a lunar eclipse to happen on the winter solstice. In fact, the last time this happened was in 1638 and the next isn't for 84 years.
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Oooh, get you getting something right!!!! =)

Oh don't give southy credit, because he is WRONG.
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Total lunar eclipses do not occur every year, although due to the orbital trajectories of both Earth and Moon you can occasionally get 2 or even 3 in a year.
However in the 50 years 1950 to 1999 there were 33 total lunar eclipses.
So, even being generous, that's only about 70 per century.
There are 365 days in a year so the chance of an eclipse falling on any particular day is about once every 500 years.
This fits in reasonably well with the last 21 December eclipse being in 1638.
If the next is in 2094 then THAT ONE is the rarity, with only an 84 year gap.
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As usual, DON’T take ANYTHING southy says concerning science as accurate, because almost certainly it isn’t.

Miles Way wrote:

freefinker wrote:
@ forest hump
1) Agree Earth is not a true sphere but as I said somewhere above "To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball" - which it is for the purposes of eclipses.
2) A rugby ball – is that spherical?
3) It irritates me when southy posts scientific rubbish.

Re 3 - what about the other rubbish he posts?

Nice one, made me smile.
But, I will not attack him for his political views, even agree with him sometimes. He is entitled to hold differing views on such matters as there are usually no definitive answers.
Science, however, largely deals in verifiable facts. In this exchange southy has clearly demonstrated he does not understand the Newtonian workings of the solar system - well established and verifiable facts that have been known for centuries.

freefinker wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote:

southy wrote: For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky. What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December. what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

Well well well Southy! Just watched a report on BBC Breakfast and it would appear you are correct. It's rare for a lunar eclipse to happen on the winter solstice. In fact, the last time this happened was in 1638 and the next isn't for 84 years. - Oooh, get you getting something right!!!! =)

Oh don't give southy credit, because he is WRONG. . Total lunar eclipses do not occur every year, although due to the orbital trajectories of both Earth and Moon you can occasionally get 2 or even 3 in a year. However in the 50 years 1950 to 1999 there were 33 total lunar eclipses. So, even being generous, that's only about 70 per century. There are 365 days in a year so the chance of an eclipse falling on any particular day is about once every 500 years. This fits in reasonably well with the last 21 December eclipse being in 1638. If the next is in 2094 then THAT ONE is the rarity, with only an 84 year gap. . As usual, DON’T take ANYTHING southy says concerning science as accurate, because almost certainly it isn’t.

There are ten lunar eclipses in a decade, according to the professor on breakfast news this morning so I think I'll trust what he says. I'm not saying Southy is a Mastermind champion. It's just, on this occassion, he's right. I like reading his posts as much as the next man and some of them are really quite comical so, if we are going to ridicule him for some of his, quite frankly potty science ideas, I think it's only fair to credit him when he is correct.

bigronthestaff wrote:

freefinker wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote:

southy wrote: For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky. What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December. what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

Well well well Southy! Just watched a report on BBC Breakfast and it would appear you are correct. It's rare for a lunar eclipse to happen on the winter solstice. In fact, the last time this happened was in 1638 and the next isn't for 84 years. - Oooh, get you getting something right!!!! =)

Oh don't give southy credit, because he is WRONG. . Total lunar eclipses do not occur every year, although due to the orbital trajectories of both Earth and Moon you can occasionally get 2 or even 3 in a year. However in the 50 years 1950 to 1999 there were 33 total lunar eclipses. So, even being generous, that's only about 70 per century. There are 365 days in a year so the chance of an eclipse falling on any particular day is about once every 500 years. This fits in reasonably well with the last 21 December eclipse being in 1638. If the next is in 2094 then THAT ONE is the rarity, with only an 84 year gap. . As usual, DON’T take ANYTHING southy says concerning science as accurate, because almost certainly it isn’t.

There are ten lunar eclipses in a decade, according to the professor on breakfast news this morning so I think I'll trust what he says. I'm not saying Southy is a Mastermind champion. It's just, on this occassion, he's right. I like reading his posts as much as the next man and some of them are really quite comical so, if we are going to ridicule him for some of his, quite frankly potty science ideas, I think it's only fair to credit him when he is correct.

Well, you have just proved MY point.
Even taking 10 lunar eclipses per decade, i.e. one per year on average, it still means the chance of an eclipse falling on any particular day of the year is once every 365 years.
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2010 minus 365 equals the year 1645.
Last 21 December eclipse 1638.
I rest my case.
.
southy is still wrong. Do the maths.

freefinker wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote:

freefinker wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote:

southy wrote: For the Star watchers and the Echo, A Luna Eclipse in the morning starting (rough times) 6-30am and ending 9-00. People be able to watch it in west-north-west sky. What so special about this one well its happening on the start of the Winter Solstice 21st December. what do you think Phil Burner, News worthy.

Well well well Southy! Just watched a report on BBC Breakfast and it would appear you are correct. It's rare for a lunar eclipse to happen on the winter solstice. In fact, the last time this happened was in 1638 and the next isn't for 84 years. - Oooh, get you getting something right!!!! =)

Oh don't give southy credit, because he is WRONG. . Total lunar eclipses do not occur every year, although due to the orbital trajectories of both Earth and Moon you can occasionally get 2 or even 3 in a year. However in the 50 years 1950 to 1999 there were 33 total lunar eclipses. So, even being generous, that's only about 70 per century. There are 365 days in a year so the chance of an eclipse falling on any particular day is about once every 500 years. This fits in reasonably well with the last 21 December eclipse being in 1638. If the next is in 2094 then THAT ONE is the rarity, with only an 84 year gap. . As usual, DON’T take ANYTHING southy says concerning science as accurate, because almost certainly it isn’t.

There are ten lunar eclipses in a decade, according to the professor on breakfast news this morning so I think I'll trust what he says. I'm not saying Southy is a Mastermind champion. It's just, on this occassion, he's right. I like reading his posts as much as the next man and some of them are really quite comical so, if we are going to ridicule him for some of his, quite frankly potty science ideas, I think it's only fair to credit him when he is correct.

Well, you have just proved MY point. Even taking 10 lunar eclipses per decade, i.e. one per year on average, it still means the chance of an eclipse falling on any particular day of the year is once every 365 years. . 2010 minus 365 equals the year 1645. Last 21 December eclipse 1638. I rest my case. . southy is still wrong. Do the maths.

Ok. Southy was right about today and you are right about everything else.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
the moon orbits the earth like the earth orbits the sun. the moon has its closes point to the earth, has do the earth has its closes point to the sun (whitch is jan 6th at the moment and only has a variation seconds per year but its getting close now to being the 7th jan). but with the moon its takes 2,200 years about to be at the same point in the sky. and every 200 to 220 years it comes close to that same point in the sky. this is because of the earth orbiting the sun on a axis. and is the same reason why you get luna eclipses at the time near the equinox, the earths axis, the shadow of the earth is cone shape, so the moon picks up light from the sun over the poles has well has the sides, and when we are in or near the equinox (when the moon crosses the equator line) is the most likely time that the moon will pass though the earth shadow. and makes luna eclipses rare on the 21st june and 21st dec, and another thing that makes this odd, it the time of the day it taken place, luna eclipses normally happening apart from the rare ones like this, take place between 21-30 hours to 02-30 hours gmt.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, but the phase cycle is 29.5 days.

southy, I haven't even bothered to try and fathom out what you are now trying to say.
The simple FACT is, despite all your waffle about the variations in the orbits of both Earth and Moon, there is the POTENTIAL for a lunar eclipse every 29.53 days - i.e. every full moon.
Every single day of our calendar can potentially coincide with a full moon and NO DATE has any greater or lesser chance of being either a full moon or an eclipse.
The peculiarity of the interplay of the variations of both bodies’ respective orbits produces the randomness of the lunar eclipses we actually do experience.
That, however, does NOT alter the FACT that all 365/6 days of our calendar have an equal chance of an eclipse.

no there is not, its because of the earth axis to the sun why it is rare to see an luna eclipses on or even near the dates of 21st june and the 21st dec, luna eclipses happen about 4 times every year, some times they be full eclipses others will be part eclipses, and it will depend on how close they are to the equinox of stage of the moon, whitch happens on the 21st march and 21st october.
because of the earth axis this gives the appearance of the moon crossing the equator, and will pass though the earth shadow, when moon is at its greatest point north or south of the equator the moon picks up light from the sun over the top of the poles, so you don,t get luna eclipses on the 21st june and 21st dec, and the moon passes over the top or underneath the earth shadow.
remember the earth shadow is cone shape.
and i just been told the reason why we are having this luna eclipse odd time of the year, its because of the earth natural wobble that it has on its axis.

.. the Earths axis has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with lunar eclipses, FULL STOP.
.
To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball. It casts a shadow in the direction of our satellite every full moon. Usually the Moon is a little above or below this shadow due to its orbital eccentricities – but sometimes it passes through this shadow to give a lunar eclipse.
.
It matters not a single jot as to what angle the Earth’s axis is, or as to any particular time of the year it may be.
.
Planet Earth is ALWAYS a spherical ball casting an almost IDENTICAL shadow away from the Sun.

the earth has every thing to do with luna eclipses, if the earth axis tilt to the sun, was zero and the moon had the same orbit, you would get luna eclipses every 28 days with out fail.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, the phase cycle takes 29.5 days. the shadow from the sun is cone shape ( has the shadow moves away from the earth it tapers in, getting narrower). the moon orbit limit runs on the two tropics lines capricorn and cancer and passes over the equator, when the earth axis is pointing to wards the sun one end and the other end is pointing away, the moon orbit will take it over or under the earth shadow, and the spot where moon crosses the earth equator, is side on to the earth and sun, when the earth axis is side on to the sun, it now puts the point where the moon transverse over the equator in line with the sun. so the moon passes though the shadow of the sun.
i think the best way for you, would be to learn how to navigate at sea using the sun, moon and stars. and then you see what i mean, because its the same reason why spring tides at the spring and autumn equinox are higher and lower than the spring tides at the summer and winter solaces.

southy, when will you ever listen.
The Earth's axis is currently 23.44 degrees.
It's what gives us earthlings our seasons.
The axis and our seasons have NOTHING to do with lunar eclipses.
It could be 0, 50 or 90 degrees, but the SHADOW Earth would cast into space would be EXACTLY the same.

when are you going to start thinking, and i have said nothing about axis and the seasons i am fully aware of that.
the moon orbit passage runs from 28% north to 28% south around the earth, that,s just north of the tropics of cancer (20% north), and just south of the tropics of capricorn (20% south). when the moon is in side the tropics lines on its orbit is when it moves into the earth shadow, and when its in line with equator is when in its in the full shadow of the earth. on the 21st june and 21st dec the moon is side on to the earth when in line with the equator, and on the 21st march and 21st october, the moon is between earth and sun and on the same line behind the earth, when in line with the equator, if you get a full moon on 21st march and 21st october you can get the longest duration of a solar eclipse, has you move away from these dates the duration becomes shorter and also start to become part eclipses. and the one the this morning was only a penumbra eclipse and not a umbra eclipse. penumbra eclipses are also known has blood moons. and the only reason why we had this on a solstice date is because of the earth wobble, the moon orbit moves with the earth wobble.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
the moon orbits the earth like the earth orbits the sun. the moon has its closes point to the earth, has do the earth has its closes point to the sun (whitch is jan 6th at the moment and only has a variation seconds per year but its getting close now to being the 7th jan). but with the moon its takes 2,200 years about to be at the same point in the sky. and every 200 to 220 years it comes close to that same point in the sky. this is because of the earth orbiting the sun on a axis. and is the same reason why you get luna eclipses at the time near the equinox, the earths axis, the shadow of the earth is cone shape, so the moon picks up light from the sun over the poles has well has the sides, and when we are in or near the equinox (when the moon crosses the equator line) is the most likely time that the moon will pass though the earth shadow. and makes luna eclipses rare on the 21st june and 21st dec, and another thing that makes this odd, it the time of the day it taken place, luna eclipses normally happening apart from the rare ones like this, take place between 21-30 hours to 02-30 hours gmt.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, but the phase cycle is 29.5 days.

southy, I haven't even bothered to try and fathom out what you are now trying to say.
The simple FACT is, despite all your waffle about the variations in the orbits of both Earth and Moon, there is the POTENTIAL for a lunar eclipse every 29.53 days - i.e. every full moon.
Every single day of our calendar can potentially coincide with a full moon and NO DATE has any greater or lesser chance of being either a full moon or an eclipse.
The peculiarity of the interplay of the variations of both bodies’ respective orbits produces the randomness of the lunar eclipses we actually do experience.
That, however, does NOT alter the FACT that all 365/6 days of our calendar have an equal chance of an eclipse.

no there is not, its because of the earth axis to the sun why it is rare to see an luna eclipses on or even near the dates of 21st june and the 21st dec, luna eclipses happen about 4 times every year, some times they be full eclipses others will be part eclipses, and it will depend on how close they are to the equinox of stage of the moon, whitch happens on the 21st march and 21st october.
because of the earth axis this gives the appearance of the moon crossing the equator, and will pass though the earth shadow, when moon is at its greatest point north or south of the equator the moon picks up light from the sun over the top of the poles, so you don,t get luna eclipses on the 21st june and 21st dec, and the moon passes over the top or underneath the earth shadow.
remember the earth shadow is cone shape.
and i just been told the reason why we are having this luna eclipse odd time of the year, its because of the earth natural wobble that it has on its axis.

.. the Earths axis has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with lunar eclipses, FULL STOP.
.
To all intents and purposes, the Earth is a spherical ball. It casts a shadow in the direction of our satellite every full moon. Usually the Moon is a little above or below this shadow due to its orbital eccentricities – but sometimes it passes through this shadow to give a lunar eclipse.
.
It matters not a single jot as to what angle the Earth’s axis is, or as to any particular time of the year it may be.
.
Planet Earth is ALWAYS a spherical ball casting an almost IDENTICAL shadow away from the Sun.

the earth has every thing to do with luna eclipses, if the earth axis tilt to the sun, was zero and the moon had the same orbit, you would get luna eclipses every 28 days with out fail.
the moon takes 27.3 days to obit the earth, the phase cycle takes 29.5 days. the shadow from the sun is cone shape ( has the shadow moves away from the earth it tapers in, getting narrower). the moon orbit limit runs on the two tropics lines capricorn and cancer and passes over the equator, when the earth axis is pointing to wards the sun one end and the other end is pointing away, the moon orbit will take it over or under the earth shadow, and the spot where moon crosses the earth equator, is side on to the earth and sun, when the earth axis is side on to the sun, it now puts the point where the moon transverse over the equator in line with the sun. so the moon passes though the shadow of the sun.
i think the best way for you, would be to learn how to navigate at sea using the sun, moon and stars. and then you see what i mean, because its the same reason why spring tides at the spring and autumn equinox are higher and lower than the spring tides at the summer and winter solaces.

southy, when will you ever listen.
The Earth's axis is currently 23.44 degrees.
It's what gives us earthlings our seasons.
The axis and our seasons have NOTHING to do with lunar eclipses.
It could be 0, 50 or 90 degrees, but the SHADOW Earth would cast into space would be EXACTLY the same.

when are you going to start thinking, and i have said nothing about axis and the seasons i am fully aware of that.
the moon orbit passage runs from 28% north to 28% south around the earth, that,s just north of the tropics of cancer (20% north), and just south of the tropics of capricorn (20% south). when the moon is in side the tropics lines on its orbit is when it moves into the earth shadow, and when its in line with equator is when in its in the full shadow of the earth. on the 21st june and 21st dec the moon is side on to the earth when in line with the equator, and on the 21st march and 21st october, the moon is between earth and sun and on the same line behind the earth, when in line with the equator, if you get a full moon on 21st march and 21st october you can get the longest duration of a solar eclipse, has you move away from these dates the duration becomes shorter and also start to become part eclipses. and the one the this morning was only a penumbra eclipse and not a umbra eclipse. penumbra eclipses are also known has blood moons. and the only reason why we had this on a solstice date is because of the earth wobble, the moon orbit moves with the earth wobble.

southy,
1) the equinoxes are a DIRECT result of the Earth’s axial tilt.
2) you mention our equinoxes many, MANY times.
3) Earth’s equinoxes have nothing, NOTHING, to do with the Moon or lunar eclipses.
4) your statement about where the Moon is at our equinoxes is wrong, wrong and wrong again.
5) the Moon can be at ANY position in its orbit around Earth at our equinoxes.
6) you completely FAIL to understand how the Sun, Earth, Moon system works - undisputed knowledge that has been readily available for 400 years.