Anger as strike deal collapses (From Daily Echo)

edwardo24 wrote:
Royston - lets stop messing about - sack 'em !

pod wrote:

edwardo24 wrote:
Royston - lets stop messing about - sack 'em !

royston - lets stop messing about -
resign

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.

dunlop wrote:
and Southampton loses again. Both sides are arrogant and are letting the inflated ego that they have be the driver, what they forget is both are losers. If he can identify 400 people to go they should go, why should we keep an inflated state. Equally the public sector should be paid an acceptable wage, that means some wages will go up and some will go down - what is worrying is that they have for years said that they need all these staff, yet when saving have to be made, they dont. Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector.

spratt wrote:

dunlop wrote:
and Southampton loses again. Both sides are arrogant and are letting the inflated ego that they have be the driver, what they forget is both are losers. If he can identify 400 people to go they should go, why should we keep an inflated state. Equally the public sector should be paid an acceptable wage, that means some wages will go up and some will go down - what is worrying is that they have for years said that they need all these staff, yet when saving have to be made, they dont. Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector.

"For every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector". Oh yeh where exactly? Theres a helluva lot of unemployed who would like to know. As for the IOBR source what are they a Tory propoganda outfit?

My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.

commonsence wrote:
Thank you to the Unions and the Council, with all the bills that are increasing Gas ,Electric etc and no doubt the Councilt Tax next year to pay for the unfair dismissal claims I and many others will be on the breadline. Yes I do work and earn far less than those striking.

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Well he sure as hell has'nt mine!,residents clean up the mess yourselfs is'nt that why council tax is payed? mgra are you Cameron in disguise? big society and all that .

Polygonia wrote:

My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.

Most residents associations and groups are not funded by the Council, the members pay a yearly fee for the groups expenses.
You are lumping all groups in with the Tenants Association.

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

southy wrote:

My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.

Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.

ohmywell wrote:
Ask Roy Boy the following........

Why his expenses have been paid without explanation and who saw the receipts

What the invoice total was for the next four weeks for Vehicles and operatives paid approx 50K first four weeks and almost 81K four next four weeks and where were the contractors.

Shirley works staff member 110k pension up front 3,5k per month there after. Enjoy RAY

Next agreed pension 141k up front and
3.5k per month there after.

ALL YOU NUMPTYS ARGUE OR TALK TOTAL B-----KS WHO DO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR THE ABOVE ROY BOY THE UNIONS NO YOU AND WHAT DO YOU THINK NEXT YEARS COMMUNITY CHARGE WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!

The Rising Phoenix wrote:
This dispute is about a leader opressing the workforce and utilising bullying tactics to achieve his goals, which is not maintaining services, its getting into central government!

Its a shame a lot of the people on here seem to be lapping up the propaganda and media spin. It would be nice if the Echo could do a piece on what the strikers and council staff are facing, because its not just a 5% pay cut its much more. Not to mention the key services which are being removed from the vulnerable.

If you truely believe Royston is doing anything for the people and not himself then it may be a good idea and see a medical professional and ensure your not delusional!

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.

George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:

My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.

Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.

Too true, Southy, most are out of touch with reality let alone with residents, most are talking shops, that are ineffective, they're led by people who only come together when there is a problem that doesn't sit well with them and not the people they are supposed to represent.

Those that are funded by the council toe the council line for fear of losing funding, they used are by council but don't know it, the council will say they have consulted tenants but they simple ask the associations leader for their views, woe betide anyone who thinks different to those associations, but the worst thing is, they believe they are making a difference, when in fact they are just full of their own self importance.

MGRA wrote:
look this is very simple Strikers : keep striking, SCC is not paying you and your jobs are not required anyway, people are doing fine without you so keep going until sacked.... residents : clean up the mess yourseves.... Royston : Keep going you have public support now if you did not before.... Unions : Sorry , no advice for you, you are snookered and will come out of this smelling of manure whatever happens now.... HILARIOUS !!

southy wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:

My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.

Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.

Too true, Southy, most are out of touch with reality let alone with residents, most are talking shops, that are ineffective, they're led by people who only come together when there is a problem that doesn't sit well with them and not the people they are supposed to represent.

Those that are funded by the council toe the council line for fear of losing funding, they used are by council but don't know it, the council will say they have consulted tenants but they simple ask the associations leader for their views, woe betide anyone who thinks different to those associations, but the worst thing is, they believe they are making a difference, when in fact they are just full of their own self importance.

So very true, sounds like you had dealing with them to.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Very interesting information.
.
Where do you get the info from as regards ...... "The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston".
. Since yor Tory supporters tried to rig the online poll you have nothing to go by.
.
" Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence. No they dont.
.
You are using made up facts that suit your arguments

BMWDellboy wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

Southy Wrote :- "Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section".

Southy, my old mate, where oh where do you get these facts from .... Please let me know. There are rulers/leaders and followers in all walks of life.

Condor Man wrote:
I think this shows what a divided city Southampton has become. In the more affluent areas you don't see the excess of rubbish as people (like me) have taken it to the tip. Sadly for whatever reason the less well off parts of town aren't so pro-active hence the massive bags of rubbish I saw in Weston today.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.

I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.

Condor Man wrote:
I think this shows what a divided city Southampton has become. In the more affluent areas you don't see the excess of rubbish as people (like me) have taken it to the tip. Sadly for whatever reason the less well off parts of town aren't so pro-active hence the massive bags of rubbish I saw in Weston today.

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Very interesting information.
.
Where do you get the info from as regards ...... "The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston".
. Since yor Tory supporters tried to rig the online poll you have nothing to go by.
.
" Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence. No they dont.
.
You are using made up facts that suit your arguments

Lone Ranger - carry on ignoring the blindingly obvious!
>
Even if you ignore the feelings of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON residents, only 480 people voted for the dispute to continue! Reminds me of King Canute!!

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.

I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.

I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.

Are you basing your evidence on unbiased opinion research, or on what people say to you at a TUSC stall?

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.

I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.

No, you don't have to prove it as long as you don't mind no-one believing you. How very right wing of me!

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.

Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.

General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.

'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.

I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.

No, you don't have to prove it as long as you don't mind no-one believing you. How very right wing of me!

Who really cares weather if you or the others on here believe me or others like me. You don't matter enough to worry about it. just because you are a majority on this site, your not the majority on the street, its totally different.
Look at it like this for every one that can afford to have the internet, theres 8 more that can not afford to have it, plus those who can but don't want it.

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess!

IronLady2010 wrote:

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess!

Punk, you keep on at the contractors, surely they are given rounds by a Manager who is possibly on your side and therefore sending them to places they are not needed.

I witnessed numerous collections in one day, maybe I should blame the regular bin men for not communicating with people who don't know the rounds as well as you do.

The contractors are doing a great job as the rubbish is no-where near as bad as it was at the beginning.

I also have to ask why my collection by regular bin men was supposed to be a Monday, yet we had it on the Friday. Is that not taking working to rule to the extreme? 4 days late working to rule?

I genuinely feel for you guys and girls as I feel you are walking into a bad situation of more job losses. You are proving we can cope with 2 weekly collections.

Sovietobserver wrote:
It is becoming increasingly obvious that many of the anti-union comments on this site are from the more affluent areas of this city who are coercing with their friends in the surrounding tory strongholds i.e. Winchester, Test Valley, New Forest and Fareham to also make their comments. They may be in the Daily Echo circulation area but the dispute is in the SCC area , so making assumptions about the proportion of support is totally useless.
As I am sure people like 'Southy' will confirm there is overwhelming and massive support for the strikers in Millbrook, Lordshill, Swaythling, Townhill Park, Thornhill, Sholing, Weston, St.Mary's, Northam etc. decimating the small number of Royston's supporters in insignificant areas such as Highfield and Bassett.

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Tootle i would disagree with you there my bin has sat on my boundary for three weeks no collection were are the contractors?

Stephen J wrote:
True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.

loosehead wrote:

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Tootle i would disagree with you there my bin has sat on my boundary for three weeks no collection were are the contractors?

Maybe you & your colleagues should do your jobs & empty the bloody bins .I hope you have a great time talking to your comrades when your queuing up at the social as after your last vote that's where you belong the lot of you.I didn't want you to lose your jobs but when you can't look a gift horse in the mouth that's all you deserve.Before you go on about Royston try looking at Labours proposal & you'll see this councils proposal is by far a better deal for you council workers than Labours proposal .pay cut so you have slightly less money in your pocket no increase in council tax.Labour way pay cut & then more to spend out of your earnings by having to pay more tax also 800 more of you on the dole.what a bunch of idiots you are Good bye go ahead punk bin loader & hello goaheadpunk on the social

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:
True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.

we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect.
and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour.
The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law.
The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.

IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x

SOULJACKER wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x

Awwww, Iron lady strong as ever.....go on girl have him :)))

Souljacker has a Friday night drank & is ready to rock 'n' roll fo sho ;)

Bit of hed (PE) anybody, bwahahahaha ;)

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=Z_ZkUROJ8

6Y

IronLady2010 wrote:

SOULJACKER wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x

Awwww, Iron lady strong as ever.....go on girl have him :)))

Souljacker has a Friday night drank & is ready to rock 'n' roll fo sho ;)

Bit of hed (PE) anybody, bwahahahaha ;)

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=Z_ZkUROJ8


6Y

Let me be honest, I don't need videos to motivate me, I know Unions use them for their meetings, but I'd rather look at the facts. They probably play 'Eye of the Tiger' whilst members are entering the room.

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:
True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.

we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect.
and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour.
The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law.
The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:
True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.

we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect.
and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour.
The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law.
The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.

so why did Labour chuck you out? OH! I remember now you were known as the loony left & your friends in Liverpool nearly bankrupted the city didn't they(Hatton) Can't wait to see how many votes you get in May.the more the merrier as you'll never get power but could seriously damage Labours chances as well so go on Southy get as many Left wing nutters to vote for you.Pity they didn't vote for you in the general election & that other idiot Alan Keeble got some votes.we could have seen two M.P.s who cared & would have fought for this city not like the two Labour muppets we have now

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

loosehead wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided

LadySam wrote:
Please can I have my bins emptied? I have waited patiently for several weeks now. Interestingly, the council owned tower block and flats down the road have had their bins emptied fairly regularly but the 'private' houses up our way haven't!!

Is this some kind of discrimination?

George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Sovietobserver wrote:
It is becoming increasingly obvious that many of the anti-union comments on this site are from the more affluent areas of this city who are coercing with their friends in the surrounding tory strongholds i.e. Winchester, Test Valley, New Forest and Fareham to also make their comments. They may be in the Daily Echo circulation area but the dispute is in the SCC area , so making assumptions about the proportion of support is totally useless.
As I am sure people like 'Southy' will confirm there is overwhelming and massive support for the strikers in Millbrook, Lordshill, Swaythling, Townhill Park, Thornhill, Sholing, Weston, St.Mary's, Northam etc. decimating the small number of Royston's supporters in insignificant areas such as Highfield and Bassett.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Source?

bravebeth wrote:
Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them.

The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves.

If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing.

What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess!

Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess!

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

SpittingMoreFire wrote:

bravebeth wrote:
Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them.

The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves.

If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing.

What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.

Who on earth are these sorts of people behind such comments?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Source?

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

There you go again, purposely laying down the facts you want to see! Fact - when the poll was started by the Daily Echo, the Union websites put up a link so that their members could vote on SOUTHAMPTON's dispute - that meant that union members from all over the UK could vote on a SOUTHAMPTON issue. This went on for weeks and weeks - the Unions did not take down their links. After many weeks, some idiot tuned into the Poll, massaged the figures in one lump and the Poll was taken down immediately. Just answer me one question - Who was the biggest cheat?

George4th wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Source?

SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

SpittingMoreFire wrote:

bravebeth wrote:
Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them.

The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves.

If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing.

What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.

Who on earth are these sorts of people behind such comments?

I think you will find that most Cruise passengers are actually starting or finishing their trips from Southampton, not coming here to visit, all they will ever get is a glimpse of the City, which is why the eyesore of the Royal Pier e.t.c is the impression most will get, a sparkling vision of what the rest of the City is like.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Source?

SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!

Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Source?

SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!

Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?

Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire!

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Source?

SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!

Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?

Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire!

You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Source?

SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!

Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?

Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire!

You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth

I think you are confusing World finances with a credit account at Debenhams.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!

Source?

SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!

Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?

Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire!

You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth

I think you are confusing World finances with a credit account at Debenhams.

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided

Loosehead, it's over now. No point in getting stressed. Royston is being a MAN and standing up for residents which includes workers, if they can't see it, that is their problem.

They have had the choice for a while now, they could have chosen another job elsewhere with a similar salary and pension. (Oh I forget, they won't get a pension in the private sector).

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided

Loosehead, it's over now. No point in getting stressed. Royston is being a MAN and standing up for residents which includes workers, if they can't see it, that is their problem.

They have had the choice for a while now, they could have chosen another job elsewhere with a similar salary and pension. (Oh I forget, they won't get a pension in the private sector).

Sorry Iron Lady but I will listen to all sides in an argument but some people on this site throw insults at you if they are losing the argument yet the vother week they were boasting how they'd won & how stupid we look I would love to sit & have a proper discussion with any one that's why I quite like goaheadpunks posts as he talks to you in a civilised way

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Hello guys how is everone tonight? just watching 'i am legend' on tv good film underrated in my opinion.

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Yeah good win, so glad footie has returned!!! the buzz is starting again mad result for QPR though didn't see that coming.

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!

Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!

Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it

REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Hello guys how is everone tonight? just watching 'i am legend' on tv good film underrated in my opinion.

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!

Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it

REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.

Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Hello ironlady sorry no work next week, i'm on holiday hoping for nice weather my diy jobs need doing put your bins out regardless, you never know maybe just maybe they will go.(^^^)

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Ironlady you need a bit of enjoyment in life not everythings about money! a good film is a great experience, i recommend 'Deliverance' it's a wee bit old but good non the less. ;-)

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IL One point "Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!"

If you didn't read it, how did you work it out that it had no relevance?

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.

loosehead wrote:

go ahead punk make my day wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.

goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

go ahead punk make my day wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.

goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)

Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

go ahead punk make my day wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.

goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)

Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.

As I explained I was responding to Lone Rangers swipe at me.I find many of your repeating pro strike posts boring but I have the decency to reply in a friendly manner I don't come on here ridiculing you.But if you want me to lower myself down to the levels of you & Lone Ranger( are you Tonto? ) here goes. I think Freddie Mercury put it in these words " We Are The Champions .No Time For Losers" the unions have lost this dispute & the longer the council workers ( not just bin men) continue with their actions the bigger losers they become.I would rather see them go back to work with the bulk of them keeping their jobs. if they can't see or wont see this is the best deal offered by the two main parties because it's a tory idea then I will have no sympathy with them if they all lose their jobs.the champions will be the contractors who come out on weekends & most of the public are over the moon to see them.These so called scabs will soon be the cities bin men so what of the council bin men? they will become the losers who will wonder why they let it go this far when they're signing on? you & the rest of the people agreeing with the strikes have a lot to answer to as how many workers like goaheadpunk believe they have the public behind them & they can't lose after reading the pro strike posts on here.The Day Of The Contractor Cometh & your all to blame Losers

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

go ahead punk make my day wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.

goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)

Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.

As I explained I was responding to Lone Rangers swipe at me.I find many of your repeating pro strike posts boring but I have the decency to reply in a friendly manner I don't come on here ridiculing you.But if you want me to lower myself down to the levels of you & Lone Ranger( are you Tonto? ) here goes. I think Freddie Mercury put it in these words " We Are The Champions .No Time For Losers" the unions have lost this dispute & the longer the council workers ( not just bin men) continue with their actions the bigger losers they become.I would rather see them go back to work with the bulk of them keeping their jobs. if they can't see or wont see this is the best deal offered by the two main parties because it's a tory idea then I will have no sympathy with them if they all lose their jobs.the champions will be the contractors who come out on weekends & most of the public are over the moon to see them.These so called scabs will soon be the cities bin men so what of the council bin men? they will become the losers who will wonder why they let it go this far when they're signing on? you & the rest of the people agreeing with the strikes have a lot to answer to as how many workers like goaheadpunk believe they have the public behind them & they can't lose after reading the pro strike posts on here.The Day Of The Contractor Cometh & your all to blame Losers

LH You of course are entitled to that opinion, I say you are wrong, but we will see in the end, I hope for a sensible compromise, but I will continue to support the binmen because I think that they have a reasonable case. It is as simple as that.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!

Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it

REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.

Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!

Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.

Condor Man wrote:
Osprey, would it have been fair instead of enforcing paycuts to have sacked all the SCC instead? If the government are forcing through reductions there's little SCC could do unless cut pay and or jobs. The staff are never going to get their pay back, it's just a case now of how many people will be made redundant.

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!

Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it

REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.

Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!

Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.

Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense!

You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them.

This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union!

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!

Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it

REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.

Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!

Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.

Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense!

You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them.

This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union!

Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,

loosehead wrote:
Osprey I use to watch Monty Python & the Goodies & sorry your post was no way in that league!

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!

Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it

REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.

Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!

Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.

Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense!

You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them.

This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union!

Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,

Well for that you leave me no choice but to categorise you as a member of the Southy Raving Loony Party.I wasn't having a go at Iron Lady I was telling her why I was getting a bit heated in my reply to the likes of Lone Ranger.To spout on about Socialism you should have lived it .It use to be if you came from a background of nothing you fought ( worked) to improve your lot but now why do you need to ? the welfare state is so easy to con you can have holidays ,cars whatever you fancy if you work out how to do it. These bin men are moaning about their hard job yet they finish with in 4-5hours have the option to greatly increase their earnings some do some don't.even with these pay cuts they could still make up that money by a very small amount of overtime but they would rather push it to the point they could/will lose their jobs if you think this is a genuine course of actions Osprey read the unions communiques again it might change your mind.I know as an ex shop steward & employees councillor that there are procedures to follow in all things industrial in the unions own words the council have followed these yet the unions are taking them to court why? The argument has been from the strikers that this was a threat the first they or the unions knew of it was when they received letters.yet the unions have admitted knowing about this action before the letters in their own letters to the union members.if this makes me a member of the Talabin fine at least I can see the truth how about you?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

George4th wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact

As I said "A Waffler"

And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years

Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling

Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs

If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****

Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!

Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it

REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.

Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!

Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.

Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense!

You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them.

This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union!

Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,

Well for that you leave me no choice but to categorise you as a member of the Southy Raving Loony Party.I wasn't having a go at Iron Lady I was telling her why I was getting a bit heated in my reply to the likes of Lone Ranger.To spout on about Socialism you should have lived it .It use to be if you came from a background of nothing you fought ( worked) to improve your lot but now why do you need to ? the welfare state is so easy to con you can have holidays ,cars whatever you fancy if you work out how to do it. These bin men are moaning about their hard job yet they finish with in 4-5hours have the option to greatly increase their earnings some do some don't.even with these pay cuts they could still make up that money by a very small amount of overtime but they would rather push it to the point they could/will lose their jobs if you think this is a genuine course of actions Osprey read the unions communiques again it might change your mind.I know as an ex shop steward & employees councillor that there are procedures to follow in all things industrial in the unions own words the council have followed these yet the unions are taking them to court why? The argument has been from the strikers that this was a threat the first they or the unions knew of it was when they received letters.yet the unions have admitted knowing about this action before the letters in their own letters to the union members.if this makes me a member of the Talabin fine at least I can see the truth how about you?

I didn't make you a member of the "Talabin" I have no control of it, the IL took you under her wing. Uncle MGRA has gone a bit quiet, but I suspect he may be the leader? You do realise that I am only teasing you all, I just don't understand narrow minded right wing attitudes, so I mock them instead. Rather than go into a rage, I make fun of it. I still am behind the binmen, despite the fact I am being inconvenienced. You will never understand left wing views so why not do the same, take the mick. Discourse is far better than rioting in the streets and as long as you keep within the realms of decency it cannot do any harm. Even the MGRA personal abuse, is just "sticks and stones", it would be easy to trade like for like but what would be the point?

Soton Sense wrote:
Train Operating Companies announced this morning that in a move to prevent passengers facing 8% increases in fare prices, they have requested that staff members accept pay cuts of up to 5.5%. Initial reports indicate that ASLEF and the NUR welcome the proposals.

Soton Sense wrote:
Energy companies consider following Train Operating Companies in a novel pay-cut plan pioneered by Southampton City Council. An energy company spokesman stated that recent price hikes have been too much for customers to bare and that cutting staffing costs by up to 5.5% would help to limit further increases. Call centre workers welcome the move saying that they feel lucky to still have jobs, especially considering many of their customers are out of work or on lower pay than they are.

Northam Lady wrote:
I would just like to say Thank You to the street cleaners and bin men who have at last gone back to work and cleaned up our City before we have lost all hope of any tourists and cruise clients returning to us due to the disgraceful state of our city within the last few MONTHS (not weeks). Please don't threaten us with this sort of action again. The majority of residents and businesses have had enough. We can only take so much.

Soton Sense wrote:
Thanks Ospreysaint, but everyone's getting annoyed with the bin men (even though it's not just the bin men striking) yet workers in other industries/sectors wouldn't put up with it. If a company is suffering due to lack of business then workers may opt for a pay cut to carry their jobs through a rough period, but rail companies and energy providers (like the council) are not suffering from a lack of business but from increased costs and/or reduced income for reasons other than lack of demand. In the case of rail companies and energy providers they are putting up the prices they charge to their customers. They are not cutting the pay of their workers to make up a shortfall. But then they don't have to count on our vote.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Soton Sense wrote: Thanks Ospreysaint, but everyone's getting annoyed with the bin men (even though it's not just the bin men striking) yet workers in other industries/sectors wouldn't put up with it. If a company is suffering due to lack of business then workers may opt for a pay cut to carry their jobs through a rough period, but rail companies and energy providers (like the council) are not suffering from a lack of business but from increased costs and/or reduced income for reasons other than lack of demand. In the case of rail companies and energy providers they are putting up the prices they charge to their customers. They are not cutting the pay of their workers to make up a shortfall. But then they don't have to count on our vote.

Yes, but it is counterproductive to cut wages of people who are not earning much in the first place, you take away any dispoable income that they would to spend on products, no product purchasing means no need to produce, more jobs lost. Inflation too means that they will struggle to survive, no one that is well off thank you very much, has any right to demand that poorer people should become destitute. What is it about that that you and your narrow minded right wing buddies don't understand?

DrPepper0806 wrote:
Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

crazy-rocker wrote:
My road has loads of houses converted into flats. All the landlords have grouped together to empty the bins. It was fun today cause the dustmen turned up only to find all the bins empty lol. They got emptied yesterday. But a dustcart goes down my rd every day but never stops to pick up rubbish. So think they r just driving around to make it look like their working and using up fuel that tax payers have to pay for. This city was falling apart under labour and will fall apart again if labour or a socialist party gets in again. At least the tories try to make the most of the money available and make cuts when they need too. Unlike labour and other socialist parties who just want to spend without thiking about where the money comes from. Then the tax payers end up having to pay it back when the tories get back in. Ive lived through a lot of govts and this country falls apart everytime labour is in power localy or nationaly. The cut backs r necisary cause of socialist ideals of wanting to create jobs that dont exist or keep ppl working in jobs that r losing money. Take the coal mines. Most had run out of coal but labour nationlised them to keep them open and payed the miners for doing nothing just so they wouldnt be out of work. tax payers were paying their wages. We lost most of r industry due to labour taking a lot of companies into state ownership only for them to fail. The railways were making a profit and running on time. But when labour made them all into british rail they started falling apart. The N.H.S started falling apart under labour cause they made it free for all. Under the tories and libs who started the N.H.S those that could pay paid. Only the low wage earners got it free. the N.H.S was created about 100 yrs before the labour party were even formed. But they claim they created it. Labour started out as the communist party. But when they didnt get votes they changed the name to labour. Socialist is just another name for communist.

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote:
Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P,

Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head:

1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week.

2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles.

3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options).

Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet!

And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy.

Simples....

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....

Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....

Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?

LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....

Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?

LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.

A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....

Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?

LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.

A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.

Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....

Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?

LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.

A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.

Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia

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loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....

Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?

LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.

A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.

Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia

You have completely lost it LH. You resort to abuse because you have lost the argument. You must start going back down the Pub. Drunks are the only people you make sence to.
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thinklikealocal has made some excellent and 100% true points. Even your pretend Tory mates would agree with them!!

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....

Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?

LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.

A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.

Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia

Gosh, just watch those toys flying out of the pram, good grief what a grouch. I have a job thank you very much, and guess where? Yup Eastleigh, believe me if I had any form of dementia I would not have kept my job for 47 years! I am in touch with reality and what I see of it I do not like. Do you really deny me the right to support anyone I chose, but you are right, I am totally anti Tory make no mistake about that. The best Tory is history.

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!

Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.

So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?

Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....

Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?

LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.

A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.

Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia

You have completely lost it LH. You resort to abuse because you have lost the argument. You must start going back down the Pub. Drunks are the only people you make sence to.
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thinklikealocal has made some excellent and 100% true points. Even your pretend Tory mates would agree with them!!

Ant it's sense not sence & why keep on about going down the pub? I haven't been to a pub for at least two years I haven't had a beer for at least two months so why do you talk about me throwing abuse whilst making me out to be some type of alchy (drunk) ? You should read thinklikealocal even though I'm not posts as she talks about cutting bin collections to fortnightly & doing two shifts ( I guess she's suggesting an 8 hour day) cutting the binmen by 50% so saving on wages this with some thing I agree with & that's dropping the rebate to certain pensioners.so allowing her & her colleagues to not have a pay cut & have a 4% pay rise each year for the next two years & you think this is a good thing? I haven't lost any argument I have been proven right & my so called right wing friends see no point arguing with you left wingers ( whingers) as we have now won the dispute & you & all the union members are the losers so why don't you go down the pub & drown your sorrows loser