Anger as strike deal between unions and Southampton City Council collapses

Anger as strike deal collapses

Anger as strike deal collapses

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RESIDENTS associations have condemned the collapse of a possible deal to end strikes in Southampton with one community leader warning the long running dispute was now “destroying” the city’s reputation.

A mass meeting of union members rejected by four to one a proposal to restore some of the pay cuts forced on thousands of council workers under threat of dismissal four weeks ago.

Council workers have been warned they now risk the sack if they continue striking as legal protection runs out following three months of industrial action that has left rubbish spilling onto the streets.

Union leaders last night warned strike action could resume within weeks without a fresh ballot. It comes as hundreds of unfair dismissal claims are being prepared and a new date for a £12.5m legal claim has been confirmed after the council requested a postponement.

Reg Taylor, chairman of the Itchen Estate Tenants’ and Residents’ Association, said: “It’s gone beyond a joke. “What the unions are doing now is destroying Southampton’s good name.

“As far as I’m concerned it’s better to be in a job with less pay than not having one.

“They should either go back to work and do the job properly or face the consequences.”

Peter Wirgman, chairman of the Southampton Federation of Residents’ Associations, said: “For residents, it’s disappointing this hasn’t been resolved.

“People want to know when things will get back to normal.

It seems to me that in this impasse the council have given ground but the unions don’t seem to have given any ground at all.”

Chris Morris, chairman of the Federation of Southampton Tenants’ and Residents’ Associations added: “I just wish it had all been sorted out.”

However Malcolm Pain from the Bitterne Park Residents Association said the industrial action, particularly the bin men strikes, were “pulling the community together” as people were taking rubbish to the tip for each other.

Unions said they want to reopen negotiations with the council but council leader Royston Smith said: “This latest proposal is as far as we’re able to go – the unions have raised the expectations of their members over and above the financial reality.

We simply cannot afford to meet those expectations.

“Our residents have to come first and we will not continue to allow people to be disrupted by this strike action. We will look to get services back to normal by any means we can and are not ruling out any options.”

The council cut the pay of workers earning over £17,500 by between two and 5.5 per cent to protect 400 jobs as it seeks to save £76m over four years.

Can the strikers be sacked?

Catharine Geddes, employment lawyer at Lester Aldridge LLP solicitors

ANY dismissal will be automatically unfair where the employee engages in official industrial action and is dismissed for participating in the industrial action during a ‘protected period’. This period runs for at least 12 weeks.

Beyond the protected period, the employer needs to demonstrate that it has taken reasonable steps to try and resolve the dispute. If it has not and the employee continues to take part in the official industrial action, any dismissal will still be automatically unfair.

Consideration is given to both the union and employer’s behaviour.

Even if the employer satisfies the ‘reasonable steps’ test, the dismissal may still be unfair if, for example, the employer has engaged in 'selective treatment'

of the ‘striking’ staff by dismissing some but not all of them and cannot justify its decision.

An employer is able to reallocate existing staff or recruit replacement staff on a temporary basis during official industrial action, however, agency staff must not be used to cover the ‘striking’ workers’ roles or to cover other positions so that ‘non-striking’ workers are reassigned to the ‘striking’ workers’ jobs. This restriction applies both during and beyond the protected period.

An employer is able to use an employment business to help find suitable staff but any appointment must be made directly between the employer and worker.

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9:33am Fri 12 Aug 11

My View From Here says...

Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you. My View From Here
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9:35am Fri 12 Aug 11

Lone Ranger. says...

I suppose that the Council are insured for the £12m loss that they will incur when the claim is made and proven.
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I suppose that the Council are insured for the £12m loss that they will incur when the claim is made and proven. . Lone Ranger.
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9:50am Fri 12 Aug 11

Linesman says...

What Reg Taylor, Chairman of the Itchen Estate Tenants' and Residents Association, and other similar bodies should remember is that there are two sides to every dispute, and it is very rare for all the faults to be on one side.

If Reg&Co have only been fed one side of the story, it is no wonder that the Unions are considered to be 100% to blame.
What Reg Taylor, Chairman of the Itchen Estate Tenants' and Residents Association, and other similar bodies should remember is that there are two sides to every dispute, and it is very rare for all the faults to be on one side. If Reg&Co have only been fed one side of the story, it is no wonder that the Unions are considered to be 100% to blame. Linesman
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9:50am Fri 12 Aug 11

edwardo24 says...

Royston - lets stop messing about - sack 'em !
Royston - lets stop messing about - sack 'em ! edwardo24
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9:55am Fri 12 Aug 11

pod says...

edwardo24 wrote:
Royston - lets stop messing about - sack 'em !
royston - lets stop messing about -
resign
[quote][p][bold]edwardo24[/bold] wrote: Royston - lets stop messing about - sack 'em ![/p][/quote]royston - lets stop messing about - resign pod
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10:05am Fri 12 Aug 11

Linesman says...

pod wrote:
edwardo24 wrote:
Royston - lets stop messing about - sack 'em !
royston - lets stop messing about -
resign
An excellent example of my 9:50am comment.

Two opposing views on how to sort out the problem by two people who are aware of the results of the strike, but unaware of all the reasons why it was called, or privy to the negotiations since it started.
[quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edwardo24[/bold] wrote: Royston - lets stop messing about - sack 'em ![/p][/quote]royston - lets stop messing about - resign[/p][/quote]An excellent example of my 9:50am comment. Two opposing views on how to sort out the problem by two people who are aware of the results of the strike, but unaware of all the reasons why it was called, or privy to the negotiations since it started. Linesman
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10:07am Fri 12 Aug 11

Sovietobserver says...

ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO. Sovietobserver
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10:14am Fri 12 Aug 11

Elgy says...

BORING!
BORING! Elgy
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10:19am Fri 12 Aug 11

BMWDellboy says...

Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
[quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC. BMWDellboy
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10:22am Fri 12 Aug 11

ToastyTea says...

yawnnnnn the world doesn't revolve around the council / union and this ongoing story. Getting so boring now.
yawnnnnn the world doesn't revolve around the council / union and this ongoing story. Getting so boring now. ToastyTea
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10:22am Fri 12 Aug 11

dunlop says...

and Southampton loses again. Both sides are arrogant and are letting the inflated ego that they have be the driver, what they forget is both are losers. If he can identify 400 people to go they should go, why should we keep an inflated state. Equally the public sector should be paid an acceptable wage, that means some wages will go up and some will go down - what is worrying is that they have for years said that they need all these staff, yet when saving have to be made, they dont. Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector.
and Southampton loses again. Both sides are arrogant and are letting the inflated ego that they have be the driver, what they forget is both are losers. If he can identify 400 people to go they should go, why should we keep an inflated state. Equally the public sector should be paid an acceptable wage, that means some wages will go up and some will go down - what is worrying is that they have for years said that they need all these staff, yet when saving have to be made, they dont. Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector. dunlop
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10:26am Fri 12 Aug 11

Shoong says...

'Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector.'

Where did you get that from?
'Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector.' Where did you get that from? Shoong
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10:31am Fri 12 Aug 11

dunlop says...

independent Office for Budget Responsibility
independent Office for Budget Responsibility dunlop
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10:40am Fri 12 Aug 11

sfby says...

Sovietobserver - I'd get that CapsLock key fixed if I were you. It makes you seem deranged...
Sovietobserver - I'd get that CapsLock key fixed if I were you. It makes you seem deranged... sfby
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10:42am Fri 12 Aug 11

SotonLad says...

As Southampton police officers have their leave and days off cancelled, and duty extended to at least 12 hour days, these pathetic idiots continue to strike. Grow up, it's gone on long enough.
As Southampton police officers have their leave and days off cancelled, and duty extended to at least 12 hour days, these pathetic idiots continue to strike. Grow up, it's gone on long enough. SotonLad
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10:50am Fri 12 Aug 11

commonsence says...

Thank you to the Unions and the Council, with all the bills that are increasing Gas ,Electric etc and no doubt the Councilt Tax next year to pay for the unfair dismissal claims I and many others will be on the breadline.
Yes I do work and earn far less than those striking.
Thank you to the Unions and the Council, with all the bills that are increasing Gas ,Electric etc and no doubt the Councilt Tax next year to pay for the unfair dismissal claims I and many others will be on the breadline. Yes I do work and earn far less than those striking. commonsence
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10:53am Fri 12 Aug 11

tootle says...

Sorry but the strikes are getting boring now. Go back to work. All most of you are proving is that the majority of Southampton residents are not reliant on you thereby losing most of your support when the job cuts come.
Sorry but the strikes are getting boring now. Go back to work. All most of you are proving is that the majority of Southampton residents are not reliant on you thereby losing most of your support when the job cuts come. tootle
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11:02am Fri 12 Aug 11

Polygonia says...

My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.
Most residents associations and groups are not funded by the Council, the members pay a yearly fee for the groups expenses.
You are lumping all groups in with the Tenants Association.
[quote][p][bold]My View From Here[/bold] wrote: Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.[/p][/quote]Most residents associations and groups are not funded by the Council, the members pay a yearly fee for the groups expenses. You are lumping all groups in with the Tenants Association. Polygonia
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11:02am Fri 12 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

Tootle i would disagree with you there my bin has sat on my boundary for three weeks no collection were are the contractors?
Tootle i would disagree with you there my bin has sat on my boundary for three weeks no collection were are the contractors? go ahead punk make my day
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11:07am Fri 12 Aug 11

MGRA says...

look this is very simple Strikers : keep striking, SCC is not paying you and your jobs are not required anyway, people are doing fine without you so keep going until sacked.... residents : clean up the mess yourseves.... Royston : Keep going you have public support now if you did not before.... Unions : Sorry , no advice for you, you are snookered and will come out of this smelling of manure whatever happens now.... HILARIOUS !!
look this is very simple Strikers : keep striking, SCC is not paying you and your jobs are not required anyway, people are doing fine without you so keep going until sacked.... residents : clean up the mess yourseves.... Royston : Keep going you have public support now if you did not before.... Unions : Sorry , no advice for you, you are snookered and will come out of this smelling of manure whatever happens now.... HILARIOUS !! MGRA
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11:18am Fri 12 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

Well he sure as hell has'nt mine!,residents clean up the mess yourselfs is'nt that why council tax is payed? mgra are you Cameron in disguise? big society and all that .
Well he sure as hell has'nt mine!,residents clean up the mess yourselfs is'nt that why council tax is payed? mgra are you Cameron in disguise? big society and all that . go ahead punk make my day
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11:24am Fri 12 Aug 11

spratt says...

dunlop wrote:
and Southampton loses again. Both sides are arrogant and are letting the inflated ego that they have be the driver, what they forget is both are losers. If he can identify 400 people to go they should go, why should we keep an inflated state. Equally the public sector should be paid an acceptable wage, that means some wages will go up and some will go down - what is worrying is that they have for years said that they need all these staff, yet when saving have to be made, they dont. Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector.
"For every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector". Oh yeh where exactly? Theres a helluva lot of unemployed who would like to know. As for the IOBR source what are they a Tory propoganda outfit?
[quote][p][bold]dunlop[/bold] wrote: and Southampton loses again. Both sides are arrogant and are letting the inflated ego that they have be the driver, what they forget is both are losers. If he can identify 400 people to go they should go, why should we keep an inflated state. Equally the public sector should be paid an acceptable wage, that means some wages will go up and some will go down - what is worrying is that they have for years said that they need all these staff, yet when saving have to be made, they dont. Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector.[/p][/quote]"For every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector". Oh yeh where exactly? Theres a helluva lot of unemployed who would like to know. As for the IOBR source what are they a Tory propoganda outfit? spratt
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11:27am Fri 12 Aug 11

George4th says...

The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
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Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
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It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!! George4th
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11:39am Fri 12 Aug 11

Stephen J says...

spratt wrote:
dunlop wrote:
and Southampton loses again. Both sides are arrogant and are letting the inflated ego that they have be the driver, what they forget is both are losers. If he can identify 400 people to go they should go, why should we keep an inflated state. Equally the public sector should be paid an acceptable wage, that means some wages will go up and some will go down - what is worrying is that they have for years said that they need all these staff, yet when saving have to be made, they dont. Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector.
"For every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector". Oh yeh where exactly? Theres a helluva lot of unemployed who would like to know. As for the IOBR source what are they a Tory propoganda outfit?
While I know for a fact that for one public sector job lost one has been created: mine. I was made redundant by Hampshire County Council at the end of June. I'm now working on my own account, doing anything I can to make ends meet. It's tough and I wouldn't have done it through choice, but I'm not starving or claiming benefit.
[quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dunlop[/bold] wrote: and Southampton loses again. Both sides are arrogant and are letting the inflated ego that they have be the driver, what they forget is both are losers. If he can identify 400 people to go they should go, why should we keep an inflated state. Equally the public sector should be paid an acceptable wage, that means some wages will go up and some will go down - what is worrying is that they have for years said that they need all these staff, yet when saving have to be made, they dont. Note, for every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector.[/p][/quote]"For every public sector job lost four have been created in the private sector". Oh yeh where exactly? Theres a helluva lot of unemployed who would like to know. As for the IOBR source what are they a Tory propoganda outfit?[/p][/quote]While I know for a fact that for one public sector job lost one has been created: mine. I was made redundant by Hampshire County Council at the end of June. I'm now working on my own account, doing anything I can to make ends meet. It's tough and I wouldn't have done it through choice, but I'm not starving or claiming benefit. Stephen J
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11:44am Fri 12 Aug 11

southy says...

My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.
Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.
[quote][p][bold]My View From Here[/bold] wrote: Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.[/p][/quote]Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need. southy
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11:46am Fri 12 Aug 11

Sovietobserver says...

commonsence wrote:
Thank you to the Unions and the Council, with all the bills that are increasing Gas ,Electric etc and no doubt the Councilt Tax next year to pay for the unfair dismissal claims I and many others will be on the breadline. Yes I do work and earn far less than those striking.
Police being dispatched to the capital to bolster the met. More police overtime. Depleted central government finances. The police precept on the next council tax bills we be rocketing skyhigh ( maybe without any capping).OK the property owners in London have suffered and the majority have insurance but the council tax payers don't have insurance against these increases. So now we have a vicious circle. Millions being spent on quelling the results of poverty and mass deprivation , then next year millions of tax payers falling in to the same circumstances. Spiralling, spiralling, spiralling, down, down, down.
[quote][p][bold]commonsence[/bold] wrote: Thank you to the Unions and the Council, with all the bills that are increasing Gas ,Electric etc and no doubt the Councilt Tax next year to pay for the unfair dismissal claims I and many others will be on the breadline. Yes I do work and earn far less than those striking.[/p][/quote]Police being dispatched to the capital to bolster the met. More police overtime. Depleted central government finances. The police precept on the next council tax bills we be rocketing skyhigh ( maybe without any capping).OK the property owners in London have suffered and the majority have insurance but the council tax payers don't have insurance against these increases. So now we have a vicious circle. Millions being spent on quelling the results of poverty and mass deprivation , then next year millions of tax payers falling in to the same circumstances. Spiralling, spiralling, spiralling, down, down, down. Sovietobserver
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11:49am Fri 12 Aug 11

THEKILLER says...

The union has no mandate to continue the strike without putting the latest offer to a secret ballot to the entire union membership (the deal would then be excepted and the union knows this )
The whole workforce are being held to ransom my a few hundred.
The union has no mandate to continue the strike without putting the latest offer to a secret ballot to the entire union membership (the deal would then be excepted and the union knows this ) The whole workforce are being held to ransom my a few hundred. THEKILLER
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11:50am Fri 12 Aug 11

southy says...

BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
[quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you. southy
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11:55am Fri 12 Aug 11

ohmywell says...

Ask Roy Boy the following........

Why his expenses have been paid without explanation and who saw the receipts

What the invoice total was for the next four weeks for Vehicles and operatives paid approx 50K first four weeks and almost 81K four next four weeks and where were the contractors.

Shirley works staff member 110k pension up front 3,5k per month there after. Enjoy RAY

Next agreed pension 141k up front and
3.5k per month there after.

ALL YOU NUMPTYS ARGUE OR TALK TOTAL B-----KS WHO DO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR THE ABOVE ROY BOY THE UNIONS NO YOU AND WHAT DO YOU THINK NEXT YEARS COMMUNITY CHARGE WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
Ask Roy Boy the following........ Why his expenses have been paid without explanation and who saw the receipts What the invoice total was for the next four weeks for Vehicles and operatives paid approx 50K first four weeks and almost 81K four next four weeks and where were the contractors. Shirley works staff member 110k pension up front 3,5k per month there after. Enjoy RAY Next agreed pension 141k up front and 3.5k per month there after. ALL YOU NUMPTYS ARGUE OR TALK TOTAL B-----KS WHO DO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR THE ABOVE ROY BOY THE UNIONS NO YOU AND WHAT DO YOU THINK NEXT YEARS COMMUNITY CHARGE WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! ohmywell
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11:56am Fri 12 Aug 11

Sovietobserver says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Well he sure as hell has'nt mine!,residents clean up the mess yourselfs is'nt that why council tax is payed? mgra are you Cameron in disguise? big society and all that .
"go ahead punk make my day" . You state you are in Portswood yet your postcode is the same as mine ( the terrace of houses at the beginning of Kingsdown Way in Townhill Park) so I must be one of your neighbours, you know the one that never cleans up their mess. GET A GRIP.
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: Well he sure as hell has'nt mine!,residents clean up the mess yourselfs is'nt that why council tax is payed? mgra are you Cameron in disguise? big society and all that .[/p][/quote]"go ahead punk make my day" . You state you are in Portswood yet your postcode is the same as mine ( the terrace of houses at the beginning of Kingsdown Way in Townhill Park) so I must be one of your neighbours, you know the one that never cleans up their mess. GET A GRIP. Sovietobserver
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12:03pm Fri 12 Aug 11

My View From Here says...

Polygonia wrote:
My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.
Most residents associations and groups are not funded by the Council, the members pay a yearly fee for the groups expenses.
You are lumping all groups in with the Tenants Association.
I did not say all, I said most, those who are linked to the tenants federation (who are funded by SCC) have their expenses paid, the many building they meet in are council owned buildings which they are given for free or subsidised, that money comes from SCC, therefore funded by the council, I did not include small residents groups in my original comment.
[quote][p][bold]Polygonia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My View From Here[/bold] wrote: Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.[/p][/quote]Most residents associations and groups are not funded by the Council, the members pay a yearly fee for the groups expenses. You are lumping all groups in with the Tenants Association.[/p][/quote]I did not say all, I said most, those who are linked to the tenants federation (who are funded by SCC) have their expenses paid, the many building they meet in are council owned buildings which they are given for free or subsidised, that money comes from SCC, therefore funded by the council, I did not include small residents groups in my original comment. My View From Here
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12:04pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'. Prove it. Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims. Shoong
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12:08pm Fri 12 Aug 11

bravebeth says...

Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them.

The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves.

If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing.

What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.
Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them. The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves. If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing. What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour. bravebeth
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12:16pm Fri 12 Aug 11

The Rising Phoenix says...

This dispute is about a leader opressing the workforce and utilising bullying tactics to achieve his goals, which is not maintaining services, its getting into central government!

Its a shame a lot of the people on here seem to be lapping up the propaganda and media spin. It would be nice if the Echo could do a piece on what the strikers and council staff are facing, because its not just a 5% pay cut its much more. Not to mention the key services which are being removed from the vulnerable.

If you truely believe Royston is doing anything for the people and not himself then it may be a good idea and see a medical professional and ensure your not delusional!
This dispute is about a leader opressing the workforce and utilising bullying tactics to achieve his goals, which is not maintaining services, its getting into central government! Its a shame a lot of the people on here seem to be lapping up the propaganda and media spin. It would be nice if the Echo could do a piece on what the strikers and council staff are facing, because its not just a 5% pay cut its much more. Not to mention the key services which are being removed from the vulnerable. If you truely believe Royston is doing anything for the people and not himself then it may be a good idea and see a medical professional and ensure your not delusional! The Rising Phoenix
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12:24pm Fri 12 Aug 11

My View From Here says...

southy wrote:
My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.
Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.
Too true, Southy, most are out of touch with reality let alone with residents, most are talking shops, that are ineffective, they're led by people who only come together when there is a problem that doesn't sit well with them and not the people they are supposed to represent.

Those that are funded by the council toe the council line for fear of losing funding, they used are by council but don't know it, the council will say they have consulted tenants but they simple ask the associations leader for their views, woe betide anyone who thinks different to those associations, but the worst thing is, they believe they are making a difference, when in fact they are just full of their own self importance.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My View From Here[/bold] wrote: Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.[/p][/quote]Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.[/p][/quote]Too true, Southy, most are out of touch with reality let alone with residents, most are talking shops, that are ineffective, they're led by people who only come together when there is a problem that doesn't sit well with them and not the people they are supposed to represent. Those that are funded by the council toe the council line for fear of losing funding, they used are by council but don't know it, the council will say they have consulted tenants but they simple ask the associations leader for their views, woe betide anyone who thinks different to those associations, but the worst thing is, they believe they are making a difference, when in fact they are just full of their own self importance. My View From Here
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12:28pm Fri 12 Aug 11

southy says...

ohmywell wrote:
Ask Roy Boy the following........

Why his expenses have been paid without explanation and who saw the receipts

What the invoice total was for the next four weeks for Vehicles and operatives paid approx 50K first four weeks and almost 81K four next four weeks and where were the contractors.

Shirley works staff member 110k pension up front 3,5k per month there after. Enjoy RAY

Next agreed pension 141k up front and
3.5k per month there after.

ALL YOU NUMPTYS ARGUE OR TALK TOTAL B-----KS WHO DO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR THE ABOVE ROY BOY THE UNIONS NO YOU AND WHAT DO YOU THINK NEXT YEARS COMMUNITY CHARGE WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!
Add on to that the cost of an out side law team, because the city law team are backing the strikers.
[quote][p][bold]ohmywell[/bold] wrote: Ask Roy Boy the following........ Why his expenses have been paid without explanation and who saw the receipts What the invoice total was for the next four weeks for Vehicles and operatives paid approx 50K first four weeks and almost 81K four next four weeks and where were the contractors. Shirley works staff member 110k pension up front 3,5k per month there after. Enjoy RAY Next agreed pension 141k up front and 3.5k per month there after. ALL YOU NUMPTYS ARGUE OR TALK TOTAL B-----KS WHO DO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR THE ABOVE ROY BOY THE UNIONS NO YOU AND WHAT DO YOU THINK NEXT YEARS COMMUNITY CHARGE WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Add on to that the cost of an out side law team, because the city law team are backing the strikers. southy
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12:32pm Fri 12 Aug 11

George4th says...

The Rising Phoenix wrote:
This dispute is about a leader opressing the workforce and utilising bullying tactics to achieve his goals, which is not maintaining services, its getting into central government!

Its a shame a lot of the people on here seem to be lapping up the propaganda and media spin. It would be nice if the Echo could do a piece on what the strikers and council staff are facing, because its not just a 5% pay cut its much more. Not to mention the key services which are being removed from the vulnerable.

If you truely believe Royston is doing anything for the people and not himself then it may be a good idea and see a medical professional and ensure your not delusional!
You had 480 vote in favour to continue the dispute! They are trying to hold 240,000 SOUTHAMPTON residents to ransom!!!!!!
>
Now who is delusional?!
[quote][p][bold]The Rising Phoenix[/bold] wrote: This dispute is about a leader opressing the workforce and utilising bullying tactics to achieve his goals, which is not maintaining services, its getting into central government! Its a shame a lot of the people on here seem to be lapping up the propaganda and media spin. It would be nice if the Echo could do a piece on what the strikers and council staff are facing, because its not just a 5% pay cut its much more. Not to mention the key services which are being removed from the vulnerable. If you truely believe Royston is doing anything for the people and not himself then it may be a good idea and see a medical professional and ensure your not delusional![/p][/quote]You had 480 vote in favour to continue the dispute! They are trying to hold 240,000 SOUTHAMPTON residents to ransom!!!!!! > Now who is delusional?! George4th
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12:32pm Fri 12 Aug 11

BMWDellboy says...

southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
Southy Wrote :- "Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section".

Southy, my old mate, where oh where do you get these facts from .... Please let me know. There are rulers/leaders and followers in all walks of life.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]Southy Wrote :- "Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section". Southy, my old mate, where oh where do you get these facts from .... Please let me know. There are rulers/leaders and followers in all walks of life. BMWDellboy
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12:35pm Fri 12 Aug 11

a and e says...

total Financial collapse coming in november ,be a lot more than rubbish and chavs to worry about.
total Financial collapse coming in november ,be a lot more than rubbish and chavs to worry about. a and e
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12:36pm Fri 12 Aug 11

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.
I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'. Prove it. Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.[/p][/quote]I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking. Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch. Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city. southy
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12:43pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Lone Ranger. says...

George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Very interesting information.
.
Where do you get the info from as regards ...... "The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston".
. Since yor Tory supporters tried to rig the online poll you have nothing to go by.
.
" Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence. No they dont.
.
You are using made up facts that suit your arguments
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Very interesting information. . Where do you get the info from as regards ...... "The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston". . Since yor Tory supporters tried to rig the online poll you have nothing to go by. . " Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence. No they dont. . You are using made up facts that suit your arguments Lone Ranger.
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12:43pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Condor Man says...

I think this shows what a divided city Southampton has become. In the more affluent areas you don't see the excess of rubbish as people (like me) have taken it to the tip. Sadly for whatever reason the less well off parts of town aren't so pro-active hence the massive bags of rubbish I saw in Weston today.
I think this shows what a divided city Southampton has become. In the more affluent areas you don't see the excess of rubbish as people (like me) have taken it to the tip. Sadly for whatever reason the less well off parts of town aren't so pro-active hence the massive bags of rubbish I saw in Weston today. Condor Man
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12:44pm Fri 12 Aug 11

southy says...

My View From Here wrote:
southy wrote:
My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.
Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.
Too true, Southy, most are out of touch with reality let alone with residents, most are talking shops, that are ineffective, they're led by people who only come together when there is a problem that doesn't sit well with them and not the people they are supposed to represent.

Those that are funded by the council toe the council line for fear of losing funding, they used are by council but don't know it, the council will say they have consulted tenants but they simple ask the associations leader for their views, woe betide anyone who thinks different to those associations, but the worst thing is, they believe they are making a difference, when in fact they are just full of their own self importance.
So very true, sounds like you had dealing with them to.
[quote][p][bold]My View From Here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My View From Here[/bold] wrote: Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.[/p][/quote]Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.[/p][/quote]Too true, Southy, most are out of touch with reality let alone with residents, most are talking shops, that are ineffective, they're led by people who only come together when there is a problem that doesn't sit well with them and not the people they are supposed to represent. Those that are funded by the council toe the council line for fear of losing funding, they used are by council but don't know it, the council will say they have consulted tenants but they simple ask the associations leader for their views, woe betide anyone who thinks different to those associations, but the worst thing is, they believe they are making a difference, when in fact they are just full of their own self importance.[/p][/quote]So very true, sounds like you had dealing with them to. southy
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12:50pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Lone Ranger. says...

MGRA wrote:
look this is very simple Strikers : keep striking, SCC is not paying you and your jobs are not required anyway, people are doing fine without you so keep going until sacked.... residents : clean up the mess yourseves.... Royston : Keep going you have public support now if you did not before.... Unions : Sorry , no advice for you, you are snookered and will come out of this smelling of manure whatever happens now.... HILARIOUS !!
Oh come on MGRA dont worry about the strike.
.
Tell us about you being and Economist as i am so intrigued to know what you had to do to call yourself that.
.
Come on dont be shy ........
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One word from your post sums it up for me HILARIOUS !!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: look this is very simple Strikers : keep striking, SCC is not paying you and your jobs are not required anyway, people are doing fine without you so keep going until sacked.... residents : clean up the mess yourseves.... Royston : Keep going you have public support now if you did not before.... Unions : Sorry , no advice for you, you are snookered and will come out of this smelling of manure whatever happens now.... HILARIOUS !![/p][/quote]Oh come on MGRA dont worry about the strike. . Tell us about you being and Economist as i am so intrigued to know what you had to do to call yourself that. . Come on dont be shy ........ . One word from your post sums it up for me HILARIOUS !! Lone Ranger.
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12:58pm Fri 12 Aug 11

My View From Here says...

southy wrote:
My View From Here wrote:
southy wrote:
My View From Here wrote:
Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.
Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.
Too true, Southy, most are out of touch with reality let alone with residents, most are talking shops, that are ineffective, they're led by people who only come together when there is a problem that doesn't sit well with them and not the people they are supposed to represent.

Those that are funded by the council toe the council line for fear of losing funding, they used are by council but don't know it, the council will say they have consulted tenants but they simple ask the associations leader for their views, woe betide anyone who thinks different to those associations, but the worst thing is, they believe they are making a difference, when in fact they are just full of their own self importance.
So very true, sounds like you had dealing with them to.
Have to work with some of them, thank god not all of them.

Maybe I was a bit harsh, but the one's I work with are exactly what I said, they think the SCC listen to them, when in fact their just being used by SCC, the sad thing is they are are full of the best intentions, but are rather clueless.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My View From Here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My View From Here[/bold] wrote: Most residents associations including the Federation of Tenants and Residents are funded and supported by SCC, I would hardly expect them to say anything different, you don't bite the hand that fees you.[/p][/quote]Most are out of touch with the residence to, I don't know about other areas but the one we got is very small in number and they don't go round talking to people to find out what they want, they forge ahead and do what they think people want and need.[/p][/quote]Too true, Southy, most are out of touch with reality let alone with residents, most are talking shops, that are ineffective, they're led by people who only come together when there is a problem that doesn't sit well with them and not the people they are supposed to represent. Those that are funded by the council toe the council line for fear of losing funding, they used are by council but don't know it, the council will say they have consulted tenants but they simple ask the associations leader for their views, woe betide anyone who thinks different to those associations, but the worst thing is, they believe they are making a difference, when in fact they are just full of their own self importance.[/p][/quote]So very true, sounds like you had dealing with them to.[/p][/quote]Have to work with some of them, thank god not all of them. Maybe I was a bit harsh, but the one's I work with are exactly what I said, they think the SCC listen to them, when in fact their just being used by SCC, the sad thing is they are are full of the best intentions, but are rather clueless. My View From Here
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1:05pm Fri 12 Aug 11

George4th says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Very interesting information.
.
Where do you get the info from as regards ...... "The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston".
. Since yor Tory supporters tried to rig the online poll you have nothing to go by.
.
" Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence. No they dont.
.
You are using made up facts that suit your arguments
Lone Ranger - carry on ignoring the blindingly obvious!
>
Even if you ignore the feelings of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON residents, only 480 people voted for the dispute to continue! Reminds me of King Canute!!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Very interesting information. . Where do you get the info from as regards ...... "The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston". . Since yor Tory supporters tried to rig the online poll you have nothing to go by. . " Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence. No they dont. . You are using made up facts that suit your arguments[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger - carry on ignoring the blindingly obvious! > Even if you ignore the feelings of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON residents, only 480 people voted for the dispute to continue! Reminds me of King Canute!! George4th
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1:05pm Fri 12 Aug 11

BMWDellboy says...

BMWDellboy wrote:
southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
Southy Wrote :- "Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section".

Southy, my old mate, where oh where do you get these facts from .... Please let me know. There are rulers/leaders and followers in all walks of life.
Still waiting for a response Southy, my old mate.
[quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]Southy Wrote :- "Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section". Southy, my old mate, where oh where do you get these facts from .... Please let me know. There are rulers/leaders and followers in all walks of life.[/p][/quote]Still waiting for a response Southy, my old mate. BMWDellboy
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1:07pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Sovietobserver says...

Condor Man wrote:
I think this shows what a divided city Southampton has become. In the more affluent areas you don't see the excess of rubbish as people (like me) have taken it to the tip. Sadly for whatever reason the less well off parts of town aren't so pro-active hence the massive bags of rubbish I saw in Weston today.
Yes there are divisions showing up everywhere now. Where my son lives in Russia a german owned company 'Remondis' has been contracted to collect refuse once a week from his house, restricted to just one bin bag per household( no wheelie-bins). The only way he can get excess refuse taken is to financially bribe the loaders/drivers. I've witnessed the state of the poorer areas there, the amount of flytipping has to be seen to be believed. CAPITALISM IS JUST NOT WORKING.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: I think this shows what a divided city Southampton has become. In the more affluent areas you don't see the excess of rubbish as people (like me) have taken it to the tip. Sadly for whatever reason the less well off parts of town aren't so pro-active hence the massive bags of rubbish I saw in Weston today.[/p][/quote]Yes there are divisions showing up everywhere now. Where my son lives in Russia a german owned company 'Remondis' has been contracted to collect refuse once a week from his house, restricted to just one bin bag per household( no wheelie-bins). The only way he can get excess refuse taken is to financially bribe the loaders/drivers. I've witnessed the state of the poorer areas there, the amount of flytipping has to be seen to be believed. CAPITALISM IS JUST NOT WORKING. Sovietobserver
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1:18pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.
I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.
Are you basing your evidence on unbiased opinion research, or on what people say to you at a TUSC stall?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'. Prove it. Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.[/p][/quote]I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking. Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch. Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.[/p][/quote]Are you basing your evidence on unbiased opinion research, or on what people say to you at a TUSC stall? Stephen J
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1:37pm Fri 12 Aug 11

waltons11 says...

Condor Man wrote:
I think this shows what a divided city Southampton has become. In the more affluent areas you don't see the excess of rubbish as people (like me) have taken it to the tip. Sadly for whatever reason the less well off parts of town aren't so pro-active hence the massive bags of rubbish I saw in Weston today.
Condor, of course the more affluent areas can deal with the removal of their own rubbish, in areas like Weston or the "less well off" not everyone has a car to remove their rubbish. I don't think they would be allowed on the bus with bags of rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: I think this shows what a divided city Southampton has become. In the more affluent areas you don't see the excess of rubbish as people (like me) have taken it to the tip. Sadly for whatever reason the less well off parts of town aren't so pro-active hence the massive bags of rubbish I saw in Weston today.[/p][/quote]Condor, of course the more affluent areas can deal with the removal of their own rubbish, in areas like Weston or the "less well off" not everyone has a car to remove their rubbish. I don't think they would be allowed on the bus with bags of rubbish. waltons11
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1:43pm Fri 12 Aug 11

BMWDellboy says...

southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
Southy Wrote :-" Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month".

Prove it, still waiting ..... yawn, yawn
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]Southy Wrote :-" Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month". Prove it, still waiting ..... yawn, yawn BMWDellboy
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1:46pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Poppy22 says...

Bin strikes and filth all over Southampton - why on earth would anyone want to visit or live in the centre of Southampton now?
Well done, Unions and strikers - are you in support of one of Southampton's main businesses and tourist attractions - the cruise business - moving to Liverpool because it certainly looks like it!
I wonder how many people have moved out of the centre of Southampton during the bin strikes, or will do so as soon as they can.
Bin strikes and filth all over Southampton - why on earth would anyone want to visit or live in the centre of Southampton now? Well done, Unions and strikers - are you in support of one of Southampton's main businesses and tourist attractions - the cruise business - moving to Liverpool because it certainly looks like it! I wonder how many people have moved out of the centre of Southampton during the bin strikes, or will do so as soon as they can. Poppy22
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1:48pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Lone Ranger. says...

George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Very interesting information.
.
Where do you get the info from as regards ...... "The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston".
. Since yor Tory supporters tried to rig the online poll you have nothing to go by.
.
" Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence. No they dont.
.
You are using made up facts that suit your arguments
Lone Ranger - carry on ignoring the blindingly obvious!
>
Even if you ignore the feelings of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON residents, only 480 people voted for the dispute to continue! Reminds me of King Canute!!
So you dont have any facts then do you.
.
I am not ignoring the obvious just waiting for you to come up with facts for a change.
.
Because i know that you cant
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Very interesting information. . Where do you get the info from as regards ...... "The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston". . Since yor Tory supporters tried to rig the online poll you have nothing to go by. . " Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence. No they dont. . You are using made up facts that suit your arguments[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger - carry on ignoring the blindingly obvious! > Even if you ignore the feelings of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON residents, only 480 people voted for the dispute to continue! Reminds me of King Canute!![/p][/quote]So you dont have any facts then do you. . I am not ignoring the obvious just waiting for you to come up with facts for a change. . Because i know that you cant Lone Ranger.
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1:53pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.
I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.
No, you don't have to prove it as long as you don't mind no-one believing you. How very right wing of me!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'. Prove it. Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.[/p][/quote]I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking. Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch. Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.[/p][/quote]No, you don't have to prove it as long as you don't mind no-one believing you. How very right wing of me! Shoong
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2:18pm Fri 12 Aug 11

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.
I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.
Are you basing your evidence on unbiased opinion research, or on what people say to you at a TUSC stall?
When you do stalls and talk to people or even knocking on doors it is unbiased opinion, you never know what any one going to say or what they are thinking till they tell you.
There was one couple was talking to a few weeks ago, who again agreed with the majority and supported the strikes, but one thing lead on to another and it came up who you can trust in the political world, saying you could never trust the Torys, and Lib/dem are to unrealable, and Labour has change there ways and not support the working class in a very long time, I said to them what about the TUSC and they replied that they see them on the bottom of the list to vote for but did not know what they was about, It sounded like we in the TUSC are not getting the message out for what we are about, but any way this couple after telling them and showing them what we are about, said that they will be voting for the TUSC from now on and dropping Labour, They reacon that the TUSC was more in-touch in what is right for the majority people than any of the others.
there are loads of people out there that still don't know what we are about.
It would also explain, why the Socialist Party is the fastest growing party in the England at the moment.
But you can be sure with out doubt that this is the final year of Royston Smith Tory Council in Office, he will not be there the next time the Tory's will countrol this city if they ever do get back.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'. Prove it. Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.[/p][/quote]I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking. Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch. Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.[/p][/quote]Are you basing your evidence on unbiased opinion research, or on what people say to you at a TUSC stall?[/p][/quote]When you do stalls and talk to people or even knocking on doors it is unbiased opinion, you never know what any one going to say or what they are thinking till they tell you. There was one couple was talking to a few weeks ago, who again agreed with the majority and supported the strikes, but one thing lead on to another and it came up who you can trust in the political world, saying you could never trust the Torys, and Lib/dem are to unrealable, and Labour has change there ways and not support the working class in a very long time, I said to them what about the TUSC and they replied that they see them on the bottom of the list to vote for but did not know what they was about, It sounded like we in the TUSC are not getting the message out for what we are about, but any way this couple after telling them and showing them what we are about, said that they will be voting for the TUSC from now on and dropping Labour, They reacon that the TUSC was more in-touch in what is right for the majority people than any of the others. there are loads of people out there that still don't know what we are about. It would also explain, why the Socialist Party is the fastest growing party in the England at the moment. But you can be sure with out doubt that this is the final year of Royston Smith Tory Council in Office, he will not be there the next time the Tory's will countrol this city if they ever do get back. southy
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2:24pm Fri 12 Aug 11

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.
I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.
No, you don't have to prove it as long as you don't mind no-one believing you. How very right wing of me!
Who really cares weather if you or the others on here believe me or others like me. You don't matter enough to worry about it. just because you are a majority on this site, your not the majority on the street, its totally different.
Look at it like this for every one that can afford to have the internet, theres 8 more that can not afford to have it, plus those who can but don't want it.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'. Prove it. Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.[/p][/quote]I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking. Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch. Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.[/p][/quote]No, you don't have to prove it as long as you don't mind no-one believing you. How very right wing of me![/p][/quote]Who really cares weather if you or the others on here believe me or others like me. You don't matter enough to worry about it. just because you are a majority on this site, your not the majority on the street, its totally different. Look at it like this for every one that can afford to have the internet, theres 8 more that can not afford to have it, plus those who can but don't want it. southy
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2:28pm Fri 12 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

Southy, I have to admire you!
Southy, I have to admire you! IronLady2010
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2:41pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Stephen J says...

True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.
True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends. Stephen J
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2:44pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
BMWDellboy wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.
Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.
General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section.
By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.
'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'.

Prove it.

Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.
I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking.
Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch.
Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.
No, you don't have to prove it as long as you don't mind no-one believing you. How very right wing of me!
Who really cares weather if you or the others on here believe me or others like me. You don't matter enough to worry about it. just because you are a majority on this site, your not the majority on the street, its totally different.
Look at it like this for every one that can afford to have the internet, theres 8 more that can not afford to have it, plus those who can but don't want it.
'You don't matter enough?'

There's the caring sharing attitude from the left we all love then!

My vote in the next elections will matter.

So for the 8 that can't afford a broadband connection, your just going to assume that they in support of strikes?

No stats, no evidence of all your hard work canvassing, no numbers, assumptions, make believe, speaking for people you've never met...

You just get more preposterous with each post.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMWDellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: ROYSTON GO NOW. THATS AN ORDER. RIGHT NOW. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU ARE DISGUSTING AND YOU HAVE CREATED A DISGUSTING CITY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. JUST GO.[/p][/quote]Soviet observer, Hmmm, Reds under the bed, say no more. Its no good shouting either, public opinion is with SCC.[/p][/quote]General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service, they don't want to see it in private hands that will cost them a hell lot more than it do. Like the Dustbins only cost at the moment 90 pence a month, in private hands it will cost £22 per a month, and that is just one section. By any chance your not a supporter of the Ruling classes are you.[/p][/quote]'General public opinion is backing the strikers to save our public service'. Prove it. Not holding my breath for a response, you duck it when asked to prove your claims.[/p][/quote]I don't have to prove it, unlike you I talk to people on the streets to see what is on there minds, and that is where the proof really is, Your not seeing Royston smith out on the streets knocking on doors, or setting up stalls at shopping centers, the same has you don't and this is where you will find your real proof the ordinary people on the streets and what they are really thinking. Mind you I don't think Royston Smith would dare to set up a stall at a shopping center he likely to get lynch. Also proof will come in May at the next local election when a Labour Council will be return back in control of the city.[/p][/quote]No, you don't have to prove it as long as you don't mind no-one believing you. How very right wing of me![/p][/quote]Who really cares weather if you or the others on here believe me or others like me. You don't matter enough to worry about it. just because you are a majority on this site, your not the majority on the street, its totally different. Look at it like this for every one that can afford to have the internet, theres 8 more that can not afford to have it, plus those who can but don't want it.[/p][/quote]'You don't matter enough?' There's the caring sharing attitude from the left we all love then! My vote in the next elections will matter. So for the 8 that can't afford a broadband connection, your just going to assume that they in support of strikes? No stats, no evidence of all your hard work canvassing, no numbers, assumptions, make believe, speaking for people you've never met... You just get more preposterous with each post. Shoong
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3:12pm Fri 12 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess!
One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess! go ahead punk make my day
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3:31pm Fri 12 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess!
Punk, you keep on at the contractors, surely they are given rounds by a Manager who is possibly on your side and therefore sending them to places they are not needed.

I witnessed numerous collections in one day, maybe I should blame the regular bin men for not communicating with people who don't know the rounds as well as you do.

The contractors are doing a great job as the rubbish is no-where near as bad as it was at the beginning.

I also have to ask why my collection by regular bin men was supposed to be a Monday, yet we had it on the Friday. Is that not taking working to rule to the extreme? 4 days late working to rule?

I genuinely feel for you guys and girls as I feel you are walking into a bad situation of more job losses. You are proving we can cope with 2 weekly collections.
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess![/p][/quote]Punk, you keep on at the contractors, surely they are given rounds by a Manager who is possibly on your side and therefore sending them to places they are not needed. I witnessed numerous collections in one day, maybe I should blame the regular bin men for not communicating with people who don't know the rounds as well as you do. The contractors are doing a great job as the rubbish is no-where near as bad as it was at the beginning. I also have to ask why my collection by regular bin men was supposed to be a Monday, yet we had it on the Friday. Is that not taking working to rule to the extreme? 4 days late working to rule? I genuinely feel for you guys and girls as I feel you are walking into a bad situation of more job losses. You are proving we can cope with 2 weekly collections. IronLady2010
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3:35pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Sovietobserver says...

It is becoming increasingly obvious that many of the anti-union comments on this site are from the more affluent areas of this city who are coercing with their friends in the surrounding tory strongholds i.e. Winchester, Test Valley, New Forest and Fareham to also make their comments. They may be in the Daily Echo circulation area but the dispute is in the SCC area , so making assumptions about the proportion of support is totally useless.
As I am sure people like 'Southy' will confirm there is overwhelming and massive support for the strikers in Millbrook, Lordshill, Swaythling, Townhill Park, Thornhill, Sholing, Weston, St.Mary's, Northam etc. decimating the small number of Royston's supporters in insignificant areas such as Highfield and Bassett.
It is becoming increasingly obvious that many of the anti-union comments on this site are from the more affluent areas of this city who are coercing with their friends in the surrounding tory strongholds i.e. Winchester, Test Valley, New Forest and Fareham to also make their comments. They may be in the Daily Echo circulation area but the dispute is in the SCC area , so making assumptions about the proportion of support is totally useless. As I am sure people like 'Southy' will confirm there is overwhelming and massive support for the strikers in Millbrook, Lordshill, Swaythling, Townhill Park, Thornhill, Sholing, Weston, St.Mary's, Northam etc. decimating the small number of Royston's supporters in insignificant areas such as Highfield and Bassett. Sovietobserver
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3:37pm Fri 12 Aug 11

DJ Teh says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
go ahead punk make my day wrote:
One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess!
Punk, you keep on at the contractors, surely they are given rounds by a Manager who is possibly on your side and therefore sending them to places they are not needed.

I witnessed numerous collections in one day, maybe I should blame the regular bin men for not communicating with people who don't know the rounds as well as you do.

The contractors are doing a great job as the rubbish is no-where near as bad as it was at the beginning.

I also have to ask why my collection by regular bin men was supposed to be a Monday, yet we had it on the Friday. Is that not taking working to rule to the extreme? 4 days late working to rule?

I genuinely feel for you guys and girls as I feel you are walking into a bad situation of more job losses. You are proving we can cope with 2 weekly collections.
Shouldn't be posting on here right now but... In Shirley the other week, we had our normal blokes come round in their cart, then a contractor came flying round after.... Something not right here on the organisational front.

Also fair play to the council guys that same day for getting mucky with the fly tip that my road had become.

Cleaned up every last bag, and emptied every last bin.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess![/p][/quote]Punk, you keep on at the contractors, surely they are given rounds by a Manager who is possibly on your side and therefore sending them to places they are not needed. I witnessed numerous collections in one day, maybe I should blame the regular bin men for not communicating with people who don't know the rounds as well as you do. The contractors are doing a great job as the rubbish is no-where near as bad as it was at the beginning. I also have to ask why my collection by regular bin men was supposed to be a Monday, yet we had it on the Friday. Is that not taking working to rule to the extreme? 4 days late working to rule? I genuinely feel for you guys and girls as I feel you are walking into a bad situation of more job losses. You are proving we can cope with 2 weekly collections.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't be posting on here right now but... In Shirley the other week, we had our normal blokes come round in their cart, then a contractor came flying round after.... Something not right here on the organisational front. Also fair play to the council guys that same day for getting mucky with the fly tip that my road had become. Cleaned up every last bag, and emptied every last bin. DJ Teh
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3:47pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Shoong says...

Sovietobserver wrote:
It is becoming increasingly obvious that many of the anti-union comments on this site are from the more affluent areas of this city who are coercing with their friends in the surrounding tory strongholds i.e. Winchester, Test Valley, New Forest and Fareham to also make their comments. They may be in the Daily Echo circulation area but the dispute is in the SCC area , so making assumptions about the proportion of support is totally useless.
As I am sure people like 'Southy' will confirm there is overwhelming and massive support for the strikers in Millbrook, Lordshill, Swaythling, Townhill Park, Thornhill, Sholing, Weston, St.Mary's, Northam etc. decimating the small number of Royston's supporters in insignificant areas such as Highfield and Bassett.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that paranoia is rife on pro-union comments.

As for the massive support, let's see some proof.

No? Thought not.
[quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: It is becoming increasingly obvious that many of the anti-union comments on this site are from the more affluent areas of this city who are coercing with their friends in the surrounding tory strongholds i.e. Winchester, Test Valley, New Forest and Fareham to also make their comments. They may be in the Daily Echo circulation area but the dispute is in the SCC area , so making assumptions about the proportion of support is totally useless. As I am sure people like 'Southy' will confirm there is overwhelming and massive support for the strikers in Millbrook, Lordshill, Swaythling, Townhill Park, Thornhill, Sholing, Weston, St.Mary's, Northam etc. decimating the small number of Royston's supporters in insignificant areas such as Highfield and Bassett.[/p][/quote]It's becoming increasingly obvious that paranoia is rife on pro-union comments. As for the massive support, let's see some proof. No? Thought not. Shoong
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3:50pm Fri 12 Aug 11

MBHants says...

Southy wrote "It sounded like we in the TUSC are not getting the message out for what we are about"
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Perhaps you are not getting your message across, because all evidence points to TUSC supporters being extremely poor communicators with a tenuous grasp of English?
Southy wrote "It sounded like we in the TUSC are not getting the message out for what we are about" . Perhaps you are not getting your message across, because all evidence points to TUSC supporters being extremely poor communicators with a tenuous grasp of English? MBHants
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3:55pm Fri 12 Aug 11

MBHants says...

"for every one that can afford to have the internet, theres 8 more that can not afford to have it"
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Now you are just making up figures from thin air - is that representative of TUSC policy?
"for every one that can afford to have the internet, theres 8 more that can not afford to have it" . Now you are just making up figures from thin air - is that representative of TUSC policy? MBHants
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4:02pm Fri 12 Aug 11

loosehead says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Tootle i would disagree with you there my bin has sat on my boundary for three weeks no collection were are the contractors?
Maybe you & your colleagues should do your jobs & empty the bloody bins .I hope you have a great time talking to your comrades when your queuing up at the social as after your last vote that's where you belong the lot of you.I didn't want you to lose your jobs but when you can't look a gift horse in the mouth that's all you deserve.Before you go on about Royston try looking at Labours proposal & you'll see this councils proposal is by far a better deal for you council workers than Labours proposal .pay cut so you have slightly less money in your pocket no increase in council tax.Labour way pay cut & then more to spend out of your earnings by having to pay more tax also 800 more of you on the dole.what a bunch of idiots you are Good bye go ahead punk bin loader & hello goaheadpunk on the social
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: Tootle i would disagree with you there my bin has sat on my boundary for three weeks no collection were are the contractors?[/p][/quote]Maybe you & your colleagues should do your jobs & empty the bloody bins .I hope you have a great time talking to your comrades when your queuing up at the social as after your last vote that's where you belong the lot of you.I didn't want you to lose your jobs but when you can't look a gift horse in the mouth that's all you deserve.Before you go on about Royston try looking at Labours proposal & you'll see this councils proposal is by far a better deal for you council workers than Labours proposal .pay cut so you have slightly less money in your pocket no increase in council tax.Labour way pay cut & then more to spend out of your earnings by having to pay more tax also 800 more of you on the dole.what a bunch of idiots you are Good bye go ahead punk bin loader & hello goaheadpunk on the social loosehead
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4:21pm Fri 12 Aug 11

LadySam says...

Please can I have my bins emptied? I have waited patiently for several weeks now. Interestingly, the council owned tower block and flats down the road have had their bins emptied fairly regularly but the 'private' houses up our way haven't!!

Is this some kind of discrimination?
Please can I have my bins emptied? I have waited patiently for several weeks now. Interestingly, the council owned tower block and flats down the road have had their bins emptied fairly regularly but the 'private' houses up our way haven't!! Is this some kind of discrimination? LadySam
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4:22pm Fri 12 Aug 11

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.
we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect.
and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour.
The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law.
The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.[/p][/quote]we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect. and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour. The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law. The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections. southy
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4:23pm Fri 12 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Tootle i would disagree with you there my bin has sat on my boundary for three weeks no collection were are the contractors?
Maybe you & your colleagues should do your jobs & empty the bloody bins .I hope you have a great time talking to your comrades when your queuing up at the social as after your last vote that's where you belong the lot of you.I didn't want you to lose your jobs but when you can't look a gift horse in the mouth that's all you deserve.Before you go on about Royston try looking at Labours proposal & you'll see this councils proposal is by far a better deal for you council workers than Labours proposal .pay cut so you have slightly less money in your pocket no increase in council tax.Labour way pay cut & then more to spend out of your earnings by having to pay more tax also 800 more of you on the dole.what a bunch of idiots you are Good bye go ahead punk bin loader & hello goaheadpunk on the social
I would also add that the bin men haven't been on strike for 3 weeks so why have the bins not been emptied by his colleagues? They went back for a week, so Punk should ask his colleagues why when they weren't on strike why they never emptied his bin. TUT TUT
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: Tootle i would disagree with you there my bin has sat on my boundary for three weeks no collection were are the contractors?[/p][/quote]Maybe you & your colleagues should do your jobs & empty the bloody bins .I hope you have a great time talking to your comrades when your queuing up at the social as after your last vote that's where you belong the lot of you.I didn't want you to lose your jobs but when you can't look a gift horse in the mouth that's all you deserve.Before you go on about Royston try looking at Labours proposal & you'll see this councils proposal is by far a better deal for you council workers than Labours proposal .pay cut so you have slightly less money in your pocket no increase in council tax.Labour way pay cut & then more to spend out of your earnings by having to pay more tax also 800 more of you on the dole.what a bunch of idiots you are Good bye go ahead punk bin loader & hello goaheadpunk on the social[/p][/quote]I would also add that the bin men haven't been on strike for 3 weeks so why have the bins not been emptied by his colleagues? They went back for a week, so Punk should ask his colleagues why when they weren't on strike why they never emptied his bin. TUT TUT IronLady2010
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4:33pm Fri 12 Aug 11

George4th says...

You are a waffler and a mischief maker Lone Ranger and you never properly engage in a discussion.
>
"Even if you ignore the feelings of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON residents, only 480 people voted for the dispute to continue! Reminds me of King Canute!!"

That's 480 who voted to continue the dispute - it is a fact - it was on the Daily Echo website as news when they last voted. That is 480 against a Southampton population of about 240,000!
The fact is that you do not deal in facts!
You are a waffler and a mischief maker Lone Ranger and you never properly engage in a discussion. > "Even if you ignore the feelings of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON residents, only 480 people voted for the dispute to continue! Reminds me of King Canute!!" That's 480 who voted to continue the dispute - it is a fact - it was on the Daily Echo website as news when they last voted. That is 480 against a Southampton population of about 240,000! The fact is that you do not deal in facts! George4th
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4:47pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Lone Ranger. says...

Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
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I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
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So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
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Well the answer is YES.
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SWo they continue with the strike.
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Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
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Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
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But i think that they are working to rule.
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So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
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I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact Lone Ranger.
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5:11pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Lone Ranger. says...

Where the self confessed "Economist" from The West End this afternoon.
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Conspicious by its absence
Where the self confessed "Economist" from The West End this afternoon. . Conspicious by its absence Lone Ranger.
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6:43pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Sovietobserver says...

There seems to be some confusion today on this site where some posters are quoting about the TUSC ( Trade Union and Socialist Coalition). The majority of the others I believe are referring to Royston's very own TUSC the " Totally Unbelieveable Speaking Club".
There seems to be some confusion today on this site where some posters are quoting about the TUSC ( Trade Union and Socialist Coalition). The majority of the others I believe are referring to Royston's very own TUSC the " Totally Unbelieveable Speaking Club". Sovietobserver
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6:49pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Condor Man says...

LR, how many people belong to Unison at SCC? If less than 500 voted surely that's not 50% of their membership. I'd be interested to see the membership spread across SCC as I'd seriously doubt whether many lawyers, planners, surveyors etc (eg real professionals) have been conspicuous in their absence.
To be honest I'm happy for Unison and Unite to keep striking. Apart from the rubbish it's proving that a lot of the services being affected are not relevant to all tax payers and if it means getting the finances under control all the better.

Funnily enough I looked at your mate's Twitter page yesterday. Despite being aligned to TRADE there were a lot of comments about what the government should do. Surely in order to make money private business should be encouraged - as a business man you'd know that.
LR, how many people belong to Unison at SCC? If less than 500 voted surely that's not 50% of their membership. I'd be interested to see the membership spread across SCC as I'd seriously doubt whether many lawyers, planners, surveyors etc (eg real professionals) have been conspicuous in their absence. To be honest I'm happy for Unison and Unite to keep striking. Apart from the rubbish it's proving that a lot of the services being affected are not relevant to all tax payers and if it means getting the finances under control all the better. Funnily enough I looked at your mate's Twitter page yesterday. Despite being aligned to TRADE there were a lot of comments about what the government should do. Surely in order to make money private business should be encouraged - as a business man you'd know that. Condor Man
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6:58pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.
we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect.
and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour.
The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law.
The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.
Dreams of the future while yearning for the past but can't deal with the present.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.[/p][/quote]we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect. and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour. The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law. The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.[/p][/quote]Dreams of the future while yearning for the past but can't deal with the present. Torchie1
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7:20pm Fri 12 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x
Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x IronLady2010
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8:33pm Fri 12 Aug 11

SOULJACKER says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x
Awwww, Iron lady strong as ever.....go on girl have him :)))

Souljacker has a Friday night drank & is ready to rock 'n' roll fo sho ;)

Bit of hed (PE) anybody, bwahahahaha ;)

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Z_ZkUROJ8
6Y
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x[/p][/quote]Awwww, Iron lady strong as ever.....go on girl have him :))) Souljacker has a Friday night drank & is ready to rock 'n' roll fo sho ;) Bit of hed (PE) anybody, bwahahahaha ;) http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Z_ZkUROJ8 6Y SOULJACKER
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8:46pm Fri 12 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x
Awwww, Iron lady strong as ever.....go on girl have him :)))

Souljacker has a Friday night drank & is ready to rock 'n' roll fo sho ;)

Bit of hed (PE) anybody, bwahahahaha ;)

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=Z_ZkUROJ8

6Y
Let me be honest, I don't need videos to motivate me, I know Unions use them for their meetings, but I'd rather look at the facts. They probably play 'Eye of the Tiger' whilst members are entering the room.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x[/p][/quote]Awwww, Iron lady strong as ever.....go on girl have him :))) Souljacker has a Friday night drank & is ready to rock 'n' roll fo sho ;) Bit of hed (PE) anybody, bwahahahaha ;) http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Z_ZkUROJ8 6Y[/p][/quote]Let me be honest, I don't need videos to motivate me, I know Unions use them for their meetings, but I'd rather look at the facts. They probably play 'Eye of the Tiger' whilst members are entering the room. IronLady2010
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9:09pm Fri 12 Aug 11

SOULJACKER says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x
Awwww, Iron lady strong as ever.....go on girl have him :)))

Souljacker has a Friday night drank & is ready to rock 'n' roll fo sho ;)

Bit of hed (PE) anybody, bwahahahaha ;)

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=Z_ZkUROJ8


6Y
Let me be honest, I don't need videos to motivate me, I know Unions use them for their meetings, but I'd rather look at the facts. They probably play 'Eye of the Tiger' whilst members are entering the room.
So you ain't a hed (PE) fan then....is that what you're sayin, Oh well I tried ;)
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Southy being my darling must understand that a lot of us will be voting Conservative for the first time ever. They are the only party who stand up for residents. We could vote TUSC and have nice people run the Council but have no idea of reality. TUSC are going nowhere, just people living in the past and not looking forward, sorry Southy. x[/p][/quote]Awwww, Iron lady strong as ever.....go on girl have him :))) Souljacker has a Friday night drank & is ready to rock 'n' roll fo sho ;) Bit of hed (PE) anybody, bwahahahaha ;) http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Z_ZkUROJ8 6Y[/p][/quote]Let me be honest, I don't need videos to motivate me, I know Unions use them for their meetings, but I'd rather look at the facts. They probably play 'Eye of the Tiger' whilst members are entering the room.[/p][/quote]So you ain't a hed (PE) fan then....is that what you're sayin, Oh well I tried ;) SOULJACKER
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9:15pm Fri 12 Aug 11

loosehead says...

This web site seems chaotic at the moment.please did any one see Mike Tucker on the BBC? he didn't look like a guy who was winning a war he actually looked like a guy who was ready to sign a surrender.yet he goes on about more strikes & court cases? if his union hadn't done such a good job of brainwashing the members would the court cases be going ahead? would we be having any more strikes? the unions argument was they had to fight here to stop other councils adopting the same policies well they've already lost that one so why put their members jobs at risk? why lose the union more money with court cases they're going to lose? The council are ready to fight the cases do the unions no nothing about beating your enemy? if the council weren't ready that was the time to fight them in court if you thought you would win but you didn't you waited for them to be ready? some ones telling lies here what will happen when the unions start losing the court cases? how will the members react? I think Tucker was staring this scenario in the face when he was interviewed & he didn't like what he saw but it was the unions doing taking a local dispute & trying to make it National.Get back to work or say good bye to a relatively well paid cushy job it's your choice!
This web site seems chaotic at the moment.please did any one see Mike Tucker on the BBC? he didn't look like a guy who was winning a war he actually looked like a guy who was ready to sign a surrender.yet he goes on about more strikes & court cases? if his union hadn't done such a good job of brainwashing the members would the court cases be going ahead? would we be having any more strikes? the unions argument was they had to fight here to stop other councils adopting the same policies well they've already lost that one so why put their members jobs at risk? why lose the union more money with court cases they're going to lose? The council are ready to fight the cases do the unions no nothing about beating your enemy? if the council weren't ready that was the time to fight them in court if you thought you would win but you didn't you waited for them to be ready? some ones telling lies here what will happen when the unions start losing the court cases? how will the members react? I think Tucker was staring this scenario in the face when he was interviewed & he didn't like what he saw but it was the unions doing taking a local dispute & trying to make it National.Get back to work or say good bye to a relatively well paid cushy job it's your choice! loosehead
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9:23pm Fri 12 Aug 11

George4th says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler" George4th
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9:23pm Fri 12 Aug 11

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.
we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect.
and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour.
The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law.
The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.
so why did Labour chuck you out? OH! I remember now you were known as the loony left & your friends in Liverpool nearly bankrupted the city didn't they(Hatton) Can't wait to see how many votes you get in May.the more the merrier as you'll never get power but could seriously damage Labours chances as well so go on Southy get as many Left wing nutters to vote for you.Pity they didn't vote for you in the general election & that other idiot Alan Keeble got some votes.we could have seen two M.P.s who cared & would have fought for this city not like the two Labour muppets we have now
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.[/p][/quote]we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect. and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour. The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law. The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.[/p][/quote]so why did Labour chuck you out? OH! I remember now you were known as the loony left & your friends in Liverpool nearly bankrupted the city didn't they(Hatton) Can't wait to see how many votes you get in May.the more the merrier as you'll never get power but could seriously damage Labours chances as well so go on Southy get as many Left wing nutters to vote for you.Pity they didn't vote for you in the general election & that other idiot Alan Keeble got some votes.we could have seen two M.P.s who cared & would have fought for this city not like the two Labour muppets we have now loosehead
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9:34pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Condor Man says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.
we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect.
and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour.
The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law.
The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.
so why did Labour chuck you out? OH! I remember now you were known as the loony left & your friends in Liverpool nearly bankrupted the city didn't they(Hatton) Can't wait to see how many votes you get in May.the more the merrier as you'll never get power but could seriously damage Labours chances as well so go on Southy get as many Left wing nutters to vote for you.Pity they didn't vote for you in the general election & that other idiot Alan Keeble got some votes.we could have seen two M.P.s who cared & would have fought for this city not like the two Labour muppets we have now
sadly we have MPs who like the trappings and comforts of a middle-class existence yet seem to think that the electorate require paternalist socialist representation.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: True enough, you don't know what people think until they tell you. However, people who are attracted to express an opinion at a TUSC stall are unlikely to be representative of the larger community. It's human nature that those who are attracted will 1) know what the TUSC is and what it stands for, and, 2) give a tinker's. I've stood on fundraising stalls for charity. Those who come over generally know what the organisation is about and want to show their support. A few people come over and mouth off about how it's all waste of money, but the vast majority passes by. As for knocking on doors, surely it depends where you do it. Do you get much support round Bassett and Harefield? Let's face it, no-one really knows what the majority of Southampton people thinks. My guess (yes I know) is that the majority of people are actually ambivalent about which side is 'right', they just want it sorting out in a fair manner. But then, so does SCC, and so do the unions... Sadly, I think this dispute can now only be resolved by going to law. The time for resolution by force of argument, through moral or ethical imperative or by appealing to the majority has long since past. It's even now effectively out of the hands of Messrs Smith and Tucker, and firmly in those of the council's and the unions' learned friends.[/p][/quote]we try and cover a biggest area we can, it all depends on how long members have of for lunch breaks and what they have planned for the weeked ect. and the TUSC an Socialist party stalls are repersentative to the majority, they are partys that are made by the ordinary people, run by them and controlled by them. Just like the Labour party use to be before they got them removed from the Labour (the Socialist Party use to be part of the Labour Party and was a founder member with the railway Union and was its back bone till Labour got them removed) the well off now run Labour. The dispute has been extended for another 12 weeks, the ballot has all ready taken place and kept with the law. The public will decide in the end come the 2012 May local elections.[/p][/quote]so why did Labour chuck you out? OH! I remember now you were known as the loony left & your friends in Liverpool nearly bankrupted the city didn't they(Hatton) Can't wait to see how many votes you get in May.the more the merrier as you'll never get power but could seriously damage Labours chances as well so go on Southy get as many Left wing nutters to vote for you.Pity they didn't vote for you in the general election & that other idiot Alan Keeble got some votes.we could have seen two M.P.s who cared & would have fought for this city not like the two Labour muppets we have now[/p][/quote]sadly we have MPs who like the trappings and comforts of a middle-class existence yet seem to think that the electorate require paternalist socialist representation. Condor Man
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9:35pm Fri 12 Aug 11

loosehead says...

George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided loosehead
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9:37pm Fri 12 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

I do love my Southy's ramblings. He works so hard to cause damage for his cause, bless him.

Royston, has many faults but!!!!! He looks after the residents!

So long as Royston stands his ground he has won more and more votes from those who have the sense to see past a door knocker.
I do love my Southy's ramblings. He works so hard to cause damage for his cause, bless him. Royston, has many faults but!!!!! He looks after the residents! So long as Royston stands his ground he has won more and more votes from those who have the sense to see past a door knocker. IronLady2010
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9:43pm Fri 12 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided
Loosehead, it's over now. No point in getting stressed. Royston is being a MAN and standing up for residents which includes workers, if they can't see it, that is their problem.

They have had the choice for a while now, they could have chosen another job elsewhere with a similar salary and pension. (Oh I forget, they won't get a pension in the private sector).
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided[/p][/quote]Loosehead, it's over now. No point in getting stressed. Royston is being a MAN and standing up for residents which includes workers, if they can't see it, that is their problem. They have had the choice for a while now, they could have chosen another job elsewhere with a similar salary and pension. (Oh I forget, they won't get a pension in the private sector). IronLady2010
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10:04pm Fri 12 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

I actually feel for the bin men, they are the ones who have been used all along. The guys all have probably have families and are doing what they think is best without thinking about future redundancies because of the Unions being positive about the Tribunal.

What they are missing is that they have broken the relationship with their employer, so they cannot go back to normal work, there will always be this barrier.

The best way forward is for the Council to employ new staff who are loyal TODAY who have no thoughts on the past strikes.

The Bin men have stated they don't like their employers, so they should be sacked. What us residents want is workers who want to work.
I actually feel for the bin men, they are the ones who have been used all along. The guys all have probably have families and are doing what they think is best without thinking about future redundancies because of the Unions being positive about the Tribunal. What they are missing is that they have broken the relationship with their employer, so they cannot go back to normal work, there will always be this barrier. The best way forward is for the Council to employ new staff who are loyal TODAY who have no thoughts on the past strikes. The Bin men have stated they don't like their employers, so they should be sacked. What us residents want is workers who want to work. IronLady2010
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10:46pm Fri 12 Aug 11

Sovietobserver says...

IronLady2010. I do not think there is anyone out there listening to you tonight, they are all drowning themselves in alcohol, unless they live about eight time zones ahead of you. Another Iron Lady by the name of Yulia Timoshenko sends her regards to you. Spikoinee Noychee -Good night.
IronLady2010. I do not think there is anyone out there listening to you tonight, they are all drowning themselves in alcohol, unless they live about eight time zones ahead of you. Another Iron Lady by the name of Yulia Timoshenko sends her regards to you. Spikoinee Noychee -Good night. Sovietobserver
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12:13am Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Have I missed anything? I have been out to a wonderful Balloon Fiesta in another city not too far from here, if only Southampton could do something like that, oh wait..............
Have I missed anything? I have been out to a wonderful Balloon Fiesta in another city not too far from here, if only Southampton could do something like that, oh wait.............. OSPREYSAINT
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12:18am Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

LadySam wrote:
Please can I have my bins emptied? I have waited patiently for several weeks now. Interestingly, the council owned tower block and flats down the road have had their bins emptied fairly regularly but the 'private' houses up our way haven't!!

Is this some kind of discrimination?
Post Code lottery it seems, 12 weeks and counting since our recycling bins have been touched, the general bins have been emptied three times in that period. No sign of the Green baggers either, but life goes on, nobody has died of it yet.
[quote][p][bold]LadySam[/bold] wrote: Please can I have my bins emptied? I have waited patiently for several weeks now. Interestingly, the council owned tower block and flats down the road have had their bins emptied fairly regularly but the 'private' houses up our way haven't!! Is this some kind of discrimination?[/p][/quote]Post Code lottery it seems, 12 weeks and counting since our recycling bins have been touched, the general bins have been emptied three times in that period. No sign of the Green baggers either, but life goes on, nobody has died of it yet. OSPREYSAINT
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12:25am Sat 13 Aug 11

Sovietobserver says...

OSPREYSAINT, Yes , we spotted them on the radar. Better than waving banners I suppose. Could get Royston to fly his kite.
OSPREYSAINT, Yes , we spotted them on the radar. Better than waving banners I suppose. Could get Royston to fly his kite. Sovietobserver
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12:32am Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Source?
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Source? OSPREYSAINT
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12:43am Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sovietobserver wrote:
It is becoming increasingly obvious that many of the anti-union comments on this site are from the more affluent areas of this city who are coercing with their friends in the surrounding tory strongholds i.e. Winchester, Test Valley, New Forest and Fareham to also make their comments. They may be in the Daily Echo circulation area but the dispute is in the SCC area , so making assumptions about the proportion of support is totally useless.
As I am sure people like 'Southy' will confirm there is overwhelming and massive support for the strikers in Millbrook, Lordshill, Swaythling, Townhill Park, Thornhill, Sholing, Weston, St.Mary's, Northam etc. decimating the small number of Royston's supporters in insignificant areas such as Highfield and Bassett.
I can say that Swaythling supports the binmen, I haven't actually asked any one but I am sure that I am right.
[quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: It is becoming increasingly obvious that many of the anti-union comments on this site are from the more affluent areas of this city who are coercing with their friends in the surrounding tory strongholds i.e. Winchester, Test Valley, New Forest and Fareham to also make their comments. They may be in the Daily Echo circulation area but the dispute is in the SCC area , so making assumptions about the proportion of support is totally useless. As I am sure people like 'Southy' will confirm there is overwhelming and massive support for the strikers in Millbrook, Lordshill, Swaythling, Townhill Park, Thornhill, Sholing, Weston, St.Mary's, Northam etc. decimating the small number of Royston's supporters in insignificant areas such as Highfield and Bassett.[/p][/quote]I can say that Swaythling supports the binmen, I haven't actually asked any one but I am sure that I am right. OSPREYSAINT
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8:13am Sat 13 Aug 11

SpittingMoreFire says...

Well done to the Bitterne Park residents for their exemplary community spirit, self-sufficiency, and taking personal responsibility for their waste and that of their neighbours. They are a credit to the city.

What a shame there aren't more like them to show that the city can take on Cameron's Big Society idea during this period; that communities feel empowered enough to do things for themselves, whilst Dave hacks away at their public services on that quest of 'public sector rationalisation'.

Instead we have other chairmen of residents' associations across the city whinging to the Echo... what a shame indeed.

So well done Mr Pain of Bitterne Park RA. The glass-half-full kinda guy is always the most honourable and is a quality of thoroughly good leadership; what the city desperately needs.

Ruining the city's good name, Mr Taylor? If you don't motivate your community into looking after itself in such times, then yes you indeed are. Hope you've been encouraging your residents to help themselves other than spout these rants to the Echo: clearly, a glass-half-empty kind of bloke.
Well done to the Bitterne Park residents for their exemplary community spirit, self-sufficiency, and taking personal responsibility for their waste and that of their neighbours. They are a credit to the city. What a shame there aren't more like them to show that the city can take on Cameron's Big Society idea during this period; that communities feel empowered enough to do things for themselves, whilst Dave hacks away at their public services on that quest of 'public sector rationalisation'. Instead we have other chairmen of residents' associations across the city whinging to the Echo... what a shame indeed. So well done Mr Pain of Bitterne Park RA. The glass-half-full kinda guy is always the most honourable and is a quality of thoroughly good leadership; what the city desperately needs. Ruining the city's good name, Mr Taylor? If you don't motivate your community into looking after itself in such times, then yes you indeed are. Hope you've been encouraging your residents to help themselves other than spout these rants to the Echo: clearly, a glass-half-empty kind of bloke. SpittingMoreFire
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8:16am Sat 13 Aug 11

SpittingMoreFire says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Source?
Their imagination!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Source?[/p][/quote]Their imagination! SpittingMoreFire
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8:19am Sat 13 Aug 11

SpittingMoreFire says...

bravebeth wrote:
Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them.

The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves.

If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing.

What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.
Who on earth are these sorts of people behind such comments?
[quote][p][bold]bravebeth[/bold] wrote: Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them. The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves. If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing. What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.[/p][/quote]Who on earth are these sorts of people behind such comments? SpittingMoreFire
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8:42am Sat 13 Aug 11

SpittingMoreFire says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess!
Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess!


Yes, excellent to be given the point of view of a professional for a change. And provided much-needed relief after reading comment from whinging Reg.

But many of the posters here didn't take much notice, probably didn't read it - typical Echo reader.
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: One thing on here i find puzzling two weeks of strikes and there a suppossidly eleven crews out clearing rubbish, now you would think the contractors would manage to clear every bin at least once would'nt you? or is it just selective areas being cleared all the time? it would be interesting to know. Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess![/p][/quote][quote]Also all the sack 'em brigade read the lawyers views at the top you may not like our actions but only one person started this mess![/quote] Yes, excellent to be given the point of view of a professional for a change. And provided much-needed relief after reading comment from whinging Reg. But many of the posters here didn't take much notice, probably didn't read it - typical Echo reader. SpittingMoreFire
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9:53am Sat 13 Aug 11

Lone Ranger. says...

George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years Lone Ranger.
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11:11am Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Quote - If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day.

Very shortly there will be the Southampton Boat Show, pop along and have a look at the wares, look at the prices and tell me after that there is no money in this Country, so who is buying these items, I look on with interest, but I couldn't afford a flag staff! Envious me? Well yes, just a little, but realistic too, it will never happen for me, but I can dream.

To put it into perspective, yes businesses come and go, it is not always down to finance, there is bad management, new technology, change of demand, there are many reasons, we have to adapt and improvise, if there is, as we keep being told, a shortage of money, what we do have, must be made available for investment and enterprise, not sat in Banks creating lovely bonuses for the Directors.
Quote - If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. Very shortly there will be the Southampton Boat Show, pop along and have a look at the wares, look at the prices and tell me after that there is no money in this Country, so who is buying these items, I look on with interest, but I couldn't afford a flag staff! Envious me? Well yes, just a little, but realistic too, it will never happen for me, but I can dream. To put it into perspective, yes businesses come and go, it is not always down to finance, there is bad management, new technology, change of demand, there are many reasons, we have to adapt and improvise, if there is, as we keep being told, a shortage of money, what we do have, must be made available for investment and enterprise, not sat in Banks creating lovely bonuses for the Directors. OSPREYSAINT
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11:21am Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

SpittingMoreFire wrote:
bravebeth wrote:
Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them.

The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves.

If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing.

What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.
Who on earth are these sorts of people behind such comments?
I think you will find that most Cruise passengers are actually starting or finishing their trips from Southampton, not coming here to visit, all they will ever get is a glimpse of the City, which is why the eyesore of the Royal Pier e.t.c is the impression most will get, a sparkling vision of what the rest of the City is like.
[quote][p][bold]SpittingMoreFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bravebeth[/bold] wrote: Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them. The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves. If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing. What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.[/p][/quote]Who on earth are these sorts of people behind such comments?[/p][/quote]I think you will find that most Cruise passengers are actually starting or finishing their trips from Southampton, not coming here to visit, all they will ever get is a glimpse of the City, which is why the eyesore of the Royal Pier e.t.c is the impression most will get, a sparkling vision of what the rest of the City is like. OSPREYSAINT
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12:15pm Sat 13 Aug 11

George4th says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
There you go again, purposely laying down the facts you want to see!
Fact - when the poll was started by the Daily Echo, the Union websites put up a link so that their members could vote on SOUTHAMPTON's dispute - that meant that union members from all over the UK could vote on a SOUTHAMPTON issue. This went on for weeks and weeks - the Unions did not take down their links.
After many weeks, some idiot tuned into the Poll, massaged the figures in one lump and the Poll was taken down immediately.
Just answer me one question - Who was the biggest cheat?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]There you go again, purposely laying down the facts you want to see! Fact - when the poll was started by the Daily Echo, the Union websites put up a link so that their members could vote on SOUTHAMPTON's dispute - that meant that union members from all over the UK could vote on a SOUTHAMPTON issue. This went on for weeks and weeks - the Unions did not take down their links. After many weeks, some idiot tuned into the Poll, massaged the figures in one lump and the Poll was taken down immediately. Just answer me one question - Who was the biggest cheat? George4th
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12:25pm Sat 13 Aug 11

George4th says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote:
The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs.
>
Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City.
>
It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute!
>Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Source?
SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against.
Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue?
>
It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses.
>
If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely.
The last government screwed us!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Source?[/p][/quote]SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us! George4th
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12:41pm Sat 13 Aug 11

Sovietobserver says...

George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
There you go again, purposely laying down the facts you want to see! Fact - when the poll was started by the Daily Echo, the Union websites put up a link so that their members could vote on SOUTHAMPTON's dispute - that meant that union members from all over the UK could vote on a SOUTHAMPTON issue. This went on for weeks and weeks - the Unions did not take down their links. After many weeks, some idiot tuned into the Poll, massaged the figures in one lump and the Poll was taken down immediately. Just answer me one question - Who was the biggest cheat?
The only way to avoid the cheating is to have an electorial roll based type referendum, but then how do you cater for SCC employees who are resident outside the city boundaries.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]There you go again, purposely laying down the facts you want to see! Fact - when the poll was started by the Daily Echo, the Union websites put up a link so that their members could vote on SOUTHAMPTON's dispute - that meant that union members from all over the UK could vote on a SOUTHAMPTON issue. This went on for weeks and weeks - the Unions did not take down their links. After many weeks, some idiot tuned into the Poll, massaged the figures in one lump and the Poll was taken down immediately. Just answer me one question - Who was the biggest cheat?[/p][/quote]The only way to avoid the cheating is to have an electorial roll based type referendum, but then how do you cater for SCC employees who are resident outside the city boundaries. Sovietobserver
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1:10pm Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Source?
SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!
Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Source?[/p][/quote]SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us![/p][/quote]Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them? OSPREYSAINT
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1:36pm Sat 13 Aug 11

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
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I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
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So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
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Well the answer is YES.
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SWo they continue with the strike.
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Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
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Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
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But i think that they are working to rule.
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So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
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I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
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If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling loosehead
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1:44pm Sat 13 Aug 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SpittingMoreFire wrote:
bravebeth wrote:
Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them.

The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves.

If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing.

What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.
Who on earth are these sorts of people behind such comments?
I think you will find that most Cruise passengers are actually starting or finishing their trips from Southampton, not coming here to visit, all they will ever get is a glimpse of the City, which is why the eyesore of the Royal Pier e.t.c is the impression most will get, a sparkling vision of what the rest of the City is like.
As stated in the past most cruise passengers don't know about the cities history.they don't know that this was the place King Canute tried stopping the waves & his castle/palace is here.they don't know that Henry the eighth stayed in the Red Lion pub they don't know about the pilgrim fathers or the city walls or the Titanic so we need to find a way to get funds to open these places up so the tourists will stay here to see them & bring extra jobs to the city maybe approach the heritage fund or the Lottery?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpittingMoreFire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bravebeth[/bold] wrote: Social workers have shown that they are not professionals. Their action is disgraceful. We do not need the people who are determined to destroy the city - sack all of them. The majority of tourists will not visit this city again. Tourists do not want to see adults acting as infants or football hooligans. It is a traffic offence to toot your horn for no reason. They blocked the pavements and refused to move. They have no consideration for anyone except themselves. If they had any commonsense, they would realise this country is broke. Businesses are closing every day. There is no money to keep paying people who do nothing. What effect will the strikes have on the cruise industry? I certainly would not want to pay for a cruise and spend a day in Southampton to be met with such antisocial behaviour.[/p][/quote]Who on earth are these sorts of people behind such comments?[/p][/quote]I think you will find that most Cruise passengers are actually starting or finishing their trips from Southampton, not coming here to visit, all they will ever get is a glimpse of the City, which is why the eyesore of the Royal Pier e.t.c is the impression most will get, a sparkling vision of what the rest of the City is like.[/p][/quote]As stated in the past most cruise passengers don't know about the cities history.they don't know that this was the place King Canute tried stopping the waves & his castle/palace is here.they don't know that Henry the eighth stayed in the Red Lion pub they don't know about the pilgrim fathers or the city walls or the Titanic so we need to find a way to get funds to open these places up so the tourists will stay here to see them & bring extra jobs to the city maybe approach the heritage fund or the Lottery? loosehead
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1:46pm Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Source?
SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!
Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?
Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Source?[/p][/quote]SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us![/p][/quote]Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?[/p][/quote]Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire! OSPREYSAINT
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3:59pm Sat 13 Aug 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Source?
SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!
Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?
Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire!
You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Source?[/p][/quote]SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us![/p][/quote]Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?[/p][/quote]Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire![/p][/quote]You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth loosehead
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4:51pm Sat 13 Aug 11

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
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I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
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So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
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Well the answer is YES.
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SWo they continue with the strike.
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Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
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But i think that they are working to rule.
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So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
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If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
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Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
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What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
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If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
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Also look at yourself Loosehead.
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Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
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Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs Lone Ranger.
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7:20pm Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
High ho Silver away! That's telling those "Talabin" good on yer LR
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]High ho Silver away! That's telling those "Talabin" good on yer LR OSPREYSAINT
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7:44pm Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Source?
SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!
Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?
Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire!
You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth
I think you are confusing World finances with a credit account at Debenhams.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Source?[/p][/quote]SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us![/p][/quote]Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?[/p][/quote]Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire![/p][/quote]You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth[/p][/quote]I think you are confusing World finances with a credit account at Debenhams. OSPREYSAINT
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8:13pm Sat 13 Aug 11

Torchie1 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Source?
SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!
Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?
Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire!
You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth
I think you are confusing World finances with a credit account at Debenhams.
Debenhams Credit Card. 29.9% APR. Bargain! The chosen card of the financially inept.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Source?[/p][/quote]SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us![/p][/quote]Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?[/p][/quote]Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire![/p][/quote]You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth[/p][/quote]I think you are confusing World finances with a credit account at Debenhams.[/p][/quote]Debenhams Credit Card. 29.9% APR. Bargain! The chosen card of the financially inept. Torchie1
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9:02pm Sat 13 Aug 11

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
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I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
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So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
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Well the answer is YES.
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SWo they continue with the strike.
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Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
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Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
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But i think that they are working to rule.
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So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
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I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
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If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
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Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
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What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
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If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
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Also look at yourself Loosehead.
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Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
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Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back **** loosehead
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9:13pm Sat 13 Aug 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!!
Source?
SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us!
Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?
Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire!
You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth
I think you are confusing World finances with a credit account at Debenhams.
No I'm not osprey.France is looking very worried at the moment as the creditors are looking to downgrade their triple A rating as they don't think the measures the French Government has imposed is good enough.We are lucky that the medicine being handed out by our Government is seen as a cure & we don't look like were going to be downgraded.We can put our heads in the sand as the TUSC wants & lets get it right quite a few of their local council candidates were members of the union hence their name.we can go slowly & in Labours own admission our kids will still be paying off the debt or we can take the hit take the awful medicine & get that debt down as soon as possible.I feel that certain people on these posts say they have contacts with the unions some are council workers I wish they could sit down chill & then look at all the facts & in a non hostile/angry mood weigh up their options & when they see the truth to talk to the strikers.Lone Ranger wants to give it but if he has a brain maybe he might one day see the truth.Good win for you today not so good for my England Rugby team though
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: The Vast majority of SOUTHAMPTON people support Royston - they see that the council took a sensible common sense approach to reducing costs. > Most SOUTHAMPTON people denigrate the Unions for their incompetence and obvious inability to grasp the situation in the first place, having no sensible alternative cost saving plans, and their crass attempts to impose a political agenda onto the citizens of this City. > It is clear that the only council workers voting for the continuation, are militants and one wonders who is leading them? It is unlikely to be the Unions directly so my guess is that the Unions have lost control of their members in this dispute! >Only 480 voted for a continuation against, how many Council workers?!![/p][/quote]Source?[/p][/quote]SOUTHAMPTON has a population of about 240,000. At the last vote, 600 council workers voted - 480 for a continuation of the dispute and 120 against. Play with the figures however you wish. For example, what was the percentage of council workers voting for the dispute to continue? > It has been clear for 2 months or more that the dispute is futile - everyone loses. > If only people would understand that we are in the same boat as Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, USA etc. The only difference is that we maintain our Triple A rating. We maintain it because we, as a country, were prepared to cut spending severely. The last government screwed us![/p][/quote]Not just the last Government GIV, every one in living memory. In my ignorance I have no idea who awards these mysterious triple A ratings, what is their agenda?, what are their weapons, who elects them, are they human beings or aliens, what nationality are they? I have never given them my permission to interfere in my or anyone elses life. If these nameless people are so influential, shouldn't we know what their agenda is and what we can do to influence them?[/p][/quote]Just been Googling to try and answer my own question, and come up with something called IMF, could they be the villains of the piece? Strangely the clue came from a question on a Classic Who Wants to be a Millionaire![/p][/quote]You mean the people who lend the money rates it's customers? how outrageous!You borrow from them then make hardly any attempt to pay them back ( the Labour way) So they cut your credit rating & you end up paying more how diabolical.But isn't that how loan companies act? take out a loan over three years & pay back a small amount of interest or do it over five years or ten years & then see the difference in repayments.these countries who are having their credit rating altered either are never going to pay off the interest with their current plans or will take so long their childrens children will still be paying it that's why the tories have gone hell for leather to pay off the £1,000billion debt Labour left.the Labour way could see us have our triple A rating dropped & our debt costing us more to pay back .Just look at France they're close to having their rating changed.it's why we're saying take the cuts lt's get the debt going down & then start to restore services & pay rates. it's people like Southy's TUSC & the local union who can't see this & who's way would be economical suicide for this country.So Bin men wake up if the IMF impose an Austerity program you will definitely Know about it.just wake up & see what side your breads buttered on before it's to late.as with the debt the Tories have been telling you the truth not what you want to hear but the truth[/p][/quote]I think you are confusing World finances with a credit account at Debenhams.[/p][/quote]No I'm not osprey.France is looking very worried at the moment as the creditors are looking to downgrade their triple A rating as they don't think the measures the French Government has imposed is good enough.We are lucky that the medicine being handed out by our Government is seen as a cure & we don't look like were going to be downgraded.We can put our heads in the sand as the TUSC wants & lets get it right quite a few of their local council candidates were members of the union hence their name.we can go slowly & in Labours own admission our kids will still be paying off the debt or we can take the hit take the awful medicine & get that debt down as soon as possible.I feel that certain people on these posts say they have contacts with the unions some are council workers I wish they could sit down chill & then look at all the facts & in a non hostile/angry mood weigh up their options & when they see the truth to talk to the strikers.Lone Ranger wants to give it but if he has a brain maybe he might one day see the truth.Good win for you today not so good for my England Rugby team though loosehead
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9:17pm Sat 13 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
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Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon! IronLady2010
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9:19pm Sat 13 Aug 11

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided
Loosehead, it's over now. No point in getting stressed. Royston is being a MAN and standing up for residents which includes workers, if they can't see it, that is their problem.

They have had the choice for a while now, they could have chosen another job elsewhere with a similar salary and pension. (Oh I forget, they won't get a pension in the private sector).
Sorry Iron Lady but I will listen to all sides in an argument but some people on this site throw insults at you if they are losing the argument yet the vother week they were boasting how they'd won & how stupid we look I would love to sit & have a proper discussion with any one that's why I quite like goaheadpunks posts as he talks to you in a civilised way
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided[/p][/quote]Loosehead, it's over now. No point in getting stressed. Royston is being a MAN and standing up for residents which includes workers, if they can't see it, that is their problem. They have had the choice for a while now, they could have chosen another job elsewhere with a similar salary and pension. (Oh I forget, they won't get a pension in the private sector).[/p][/quote]Sorry Iron Lady but I will listen to all sides in an argument but some people on this site throw insults at you if they are losing the argument yet the vother week they were boasting how they'd won & how stupid we look I would love to sit & have a proper discussion with any one that's why I quite like goaheadpunks posts as he talks to you in a civilised way loosehead
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9:32pm Sat 13 Aug 11

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon![/p][/quote]Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:34pm Sat 13 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided
Loosehead, it's over now. No point in getting stressed. Royston is being a MAN and standing up for residents which includes workers, if they can't see it, that is their problem.

They have had the choice for a while now, they could have chosen another job elsewhere with a similar salary and pension. (Oh I forget, they won't get a pension in the private sector).
Sorry Iron Lady but I will listen to all sides in an argument but some people on this site throw insults at you if they are losing the argument yet the vother week they were boasting how they'd won & how stupid we look I would love to sit & have a proper discussion with any one that's why I quite like goaheadpunks posts as he talks to you in a civilised way
Loosehead, We both know the outcome of this. Best just stay quiet and leave them to it.

The Council aren't going to give in, they would have done so if they were. So let them carry on.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]So Lone ranger how many bin men ,road sweepers,traffic wardens & booth operators are in the union? The unions have called out the areas where their members are as that's all the strength they have.600 out of 4,800 & this is counted as a legitimate dispute? what happens if the 120 who voted against strike action pulled out of the unions & went back to work?480 strikers then how long would it be for the ones who were teetering to go back to work? you've read it on the posts any one crossing a picket line would be a scab & you've heard from goaheadpunk what he would/like to do to a scab so let's face reality a small minority are forcing the rest of the workforce into a dispute they never voted for,they say Royston never talked to the workers in the beginning If they new anything about industrial procedures they know the employers have to go through the unions & can't start discussions straight away with the workers.God they wish they could have as all of this would have been avoided[/p][/quote]Loosehead, it's over now. No point in getting stressed. Royston is being a MAN and standing up for residents which includes workers, if they can't see it, that is their problem. They have had the choice for a while now, they could have chosen another job elsewhere with a similar salary and pension. (Oh I forget, they won't get a pension in the private sector).[/p][/quote]Sorry Iron Lady but I will listen to all sides in an argument but some people on this site throw insults at you if they are losing the argument yet the vother week they were boasting how they'd won & how stupid we look I would love to sit & have a proper discussion with any one that's why I quite like goaheadpunks posts as he talks to you in a civilised way[/p][/quote]Loosehead, We both know the outcome of this. Best just stay quiet and leave them to it. The Council aren't going to give in, they would have done so if they were. So let them carry on. IronLady2010
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10:28pm Sat 13 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

Hello guys how is everone tonight? just watching 'i am legend' on tv good film underrated in my opinion.
Hello guys how is everone tonight? just watching 'i am legend' on tv good film underrated in my opinion. go ahead punk make my day
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10:30pm Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Hello guys how is everone tonight? just watching 'i am legend' on tv good film underrated in my opinion.
Fine thanks, just waiting to see Saints 15 seconds on the Football League Show.
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: Hello guys how is everone tonight? just watching 'i am legend' on tv good film underrated in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Fine thanks, just waiting to see Saints 15 seconds on the Football League Show. OSPREYSAINT
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10:36pm Sat 13 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

Yeah good win, so glad footie has returned!!! the buzz is starting again mad result for QPR though didn't see that coming.
Yeah good win, so glad footie has returned!!! the buzz is starting again mad result for QPR though didn't see that coming. go ahead punk make my day
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10:40pm Sat 13 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Yeah good win, so glad footie has returned!!! the buzz is starting again mad result for QPR though didn't see that coming.
So, back to work on Monday, will you be doing the usual rounds? Don't want to put my bin out if you won't turn up :-\
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: Yeah good win, so glad footie has returned!!! the buzz is starting again mad result for QPR though didn't see that coming.[/p][/quote]So, back to work on Monday, will you be doing the usual rounds? Don't want to put my bin out if you won't turn up :-\ IronLady2010
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10:40pm Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it
REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon![/p][/quote]Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it[/p][/quote]REAL LOOSEHEAD I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Cardboard box? THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Aye. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. Credit :- Monty Python At least it was funny. OSPREYSAINT
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10:45pm Sat 13 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it
REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.
Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon![/p][/quote]Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it[/p][/quote]REAL LOOSEHEAD I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Cardboard box? THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Aye. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. Credit :- Monty Python At least it was funny.[/p][/quote]Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article? I can't even be bothered to read it! IronLady2010
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10:50pm Sat 13 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Hello guys how is everone tonight? just watching 'i am legend' on tv good film underrated in my opinion.
You like your videos don't you. I also note how Unite Southampton like Videos too. Maybe you are connected somehow?

Check them out, lovely civilised people! https://twitter.com/
Soton_Unite

People actually pay to be a part of these people SHOCKING!
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: Hello guys how is everone tonight? just watching 'i am legend' on tv good film underrated in my opinion.[/p][/quote]You like your videos don't you. I also note how Unite Southampton like Videos too. Maybe you are connected somehow? Check them out, lovely civilised people! https://twitter.com/ Soton_Unite People actually pay to be a part of these people SHOCKING! IronLady2010
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10:54pm Sat 13 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

Hello ironlady sorry no work next week, i'm on holiday hoping for nice weather my diy jobs need doing put your bins out regardless, you never know maybe just maybe they will go.(^^^)
Hello ironlady sorry no work next week, i'm on holiday hoping for nice weather my diy jobs need doing put your bins out regardless, you never know maybe just maybe they will go.(^^^) go ahead punk make my day
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11:01pm Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it
REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.
Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!
Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon![/p][/quote]Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it[/p][/quote]REAL LOOSEHEAD I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Cardboard box? THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Aye. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. Credit :- Monty Python At least it was funny.[/p][/quote]Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article? I can't even be bothered to read it![/p][/quote]Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it. OSPREYSAINT
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11:03pm Sat 13 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

Ironlady you need a bit of enjoyment in life not everythings about money! a good film is a great experience, i recommend 'Deliverance' it's a wee bit old but good non the less. ;-)
Ironlady you need a bit of enjoyment in life not everythings about money! a good film is a great experience, i recommend 'Deliverance' it's a wee bit old but good non the less. ;-) go ahead punk make my day
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11:04pm Sat 13 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Hello ironlady sorry no work next week, i'm on holiday hoping for nice weather my diy jobs need doing put your bins out regardless, you never know maybe just maybe they will go.(^^^)
Lucky you, an extended holiday! Make the most of it as you have kids who are relying on you.
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: Hello ironlady sorry no work next week, i'm on holiday hoping for nice weather my diy jobs need doing put your bins out regardless, you never know maybe just maybe they will go.(^^^)[/p][/quote]Lucky you, an extended holiday! Make the most of it as you have kids who are relying on you. IronLady2010
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11:08pm Sat 13 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

'Allways look on the bright side of life'....... the life of brian, funny as f*ck, sorry for the swearing but please see the bigger picture we're not all accountants.
'Allways look on the bright side of life'....... the life of brian, funny as f*ck, sorry for the swearing but please see the bigger picture we're not all accountants. go ahead punk make my day
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11:10pm Sat 13 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

IL One point "Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!"

If you didn't read it, how did you work it out that it had no relevance?
IL One point "Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article? I can't even be bothered to read it!" If you didn't read it, how did you work it out that it had no relevance? OSPREYSAINT
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11:12pm Sat 13 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
Ironlady you need a bit of enjoyment in life not everythings about money! a good film is a great experience, i recommend 'Deliverance' it's a wee bit old but good non the less. ;-)
You base your life on Fiction and videos. That is worrying, your life should be based on reality not on what you read or see in videos.

This is why society is going wrong!
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: Ironlady you need a bit of enjoyment in life not everythings about money! a good film is a great experience, i recommend 'Deliverance' it's a wee bit old but good non the less. ;-)[/p][/quote]You base your life on Fiction and videos. That is worrying, your life should be based on reality not on what you read or see in videos. This is why society is going wrong! IronLady2010
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11:20pm Sat 13 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

Ironlady i live in the real world i hope your not one of those who wants to ban everthing, your not Oliver Cromwell are you? i like christmas!
Ironlady i live in the real world i hope your not one of those who wants to ban everthing, your not Oliver Cromwell are you? i like christmas! go ahead punk make my day
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11:31pm Sat 13 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

Ironlady videos? your showing your age there get with the program blueray's where it's at now.
Ironlady videos? your showing your age there get with the program blueray's where it's at now. go ahead punk make my day
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11:50pm Sat 13 Aug 11

go ahead punk make my day says...

The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.
The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner. go ahead punk make my day
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8:31am Sun 14 Aug 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IL One point "Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!"

If you didn't read it, how did you work it out that it had no relevance?
Osprey even though I find your post totally insulting to my up bringing I wont go the same way as Lone Ranger & start throwing insults at you! my post was in reply to lone Ranger wanting to know why I throw in his words abuse at Southy.Also it was trying to explain to Iron Lady why I was losing my temper.now I've come to expect a better response from you so why ridicule my past?Have you not noticed the garbage coming from this TUSC man? Don't make me think of you as a Southy mark two or Lone Ranger in Disguise please.It was from my lives history not some comic show so please don't make a mockery of it Thank You
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: IL One point "Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article? I can't even be bothered to read it!" If you didn't read it, how did you work it out that it had no relevance?[/p][/quote]Osprey even though I find your post totally insulting to my up bringing I wont go the same way as Lone Ranger & start throwing insults at you! my post was in reply to lone Ranger wanting to know why I throw in his words abuse at Southy.Also it was trying to explain to Iron Lady why I was losing my temper.now I've come to expect a better response from you so why ridicule my past?Have you not noticed the garbage coming from this TUSC man? Don't make me think of you as a Southy mark two or Lone Ranger in Disguise please.It was from my lives history not some comic show so please don't make a mockery of it Thank You loosehead
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8:43am Sun 14 Aug 11

loosehead says...

go ahead punk make my day wrote:
The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.
goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)
[quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.[/p][/quote]goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold) loosehead
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10:06am Sun 14 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
go ahead punk make my day wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.
goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)
Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.[/p][/quote]goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)[/p][/quote]Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference. OSPREYSAINT
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10:22am Sun 14 Aug 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
go ahead punk make my day wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.
goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)
Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.
As I explained I was responding to Lone Rangers swipe at me.I find many of your repeating pro strike posts boring but I have the decency to reply in a friendly manner I don't come on here ridiculing you.But if you want me to lower myself down to the levels of you & Lone Ranger( are you Tonto? ) here goes. I think Freddie Mercury put it in these words " We Are The Champions .No Time For Losers" the unions have lost this dispute & the longer the council workers ( not just bin men) continue with their actions the bigger losers they become.I would rather see them go back to work with the bulk of them keeping their jobs. if they can't see or wont see this is the best deal offered by the two main parties because it's a tory idea then I will have no sympathy with them if they all lose their jobs.the champions will be the contractors who come out on weekends & most of the public are over the moon to see them.These so called scabs will soon be the cities bin men so what of the council bin men? they will become the losers who will wonder why they let it go this far when they're signing on? you & the rest of the people agreeing with the strikes have a lot to answer to as how many workers like goaheadpunk believe they have the public behind them & they can't lose after reading the pro strike posts on here.The Day Of The Contractor Cometh & your all to blame Losers
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.[/p][/quote]goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)[/p][/quote]Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.[/p][/quote]As I explained I was responding to Lone Rangers swipe at me.I find many of your repeating pro strike posts boring but I have the decency to reply in a friendly manner I don't come on here ridiculing you.But if you want me to lower myself down to the levels of you & Lone Ranger( are you Tonto? ) here goes. I think Freddie Mercury put it in these words " We Are The Champions .No Time For Losers" the unions have lost this dispute & the longer the council workers ( not just bin men) continue with their actions the bigger losers they become.I would rather see them go back to work with the bulk of them keeping their jobs. if they can't see or wont see this is the best deal offered by the two main parties because it's a tory idea then I will have no sympathy with them if they all lose their jobs.the champions will be the contractors who come out on weekends & most of the public are over the moon to see them.These so called scabs will soon be the cities bin men so what of the council bin men? they will become the losers who will wonder why they let it go this far when they're signing on? you & the rest of the people agreeing with the strikes have a lot to answer to as how many workers like goaheadpunk believe they have the public behind them & they can't lose after reading the pro strike posts on here.The Day Of The Contractor Cometh & your all to blame Losers loosehead
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4:09pm Sun 14 Aug 11

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
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I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
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So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
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Well the answer is YES.
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SWo they continue with the strike.
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Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
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Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
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But i think that they are working to rule.
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So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
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I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
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If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
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Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
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What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
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If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
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Also look at yourself Loosehead.
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Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
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Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
You quite clearly did not bother to read my post before you responded,
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You really must read it as you are quite clearly responding to something that is not there.
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[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]You quite clearly did not bother to read my post before you responded, . You really must read it as you are quite clearly responding to something that is not there. . Lone Ranger.
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7:18pm Sun 14 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
go ahead punk make my day wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.
goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)
Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.
As I explained I was responding to Lone Rangers swipe at me.I find many of your repeating pro strike posts boring but I have the decency to reply in a friendly manner I don't come on here ridiculing you.But if you want me to lower myself down to the levels of you & Lone Ranger( are you Tonto? ) here goes. I think Freddie Mercury put it in these words " We Are The Champions .No Time For Losers" the unions have lost this dispute & the longer the council workers ( not just bin men) continue with their actions the bigger losers they become.I would rather see them go back to work with the bulk of them keeping their jobs. if they can't see or wont see this is the best deal offered by the two main parties because it's a tory idea then I will have no sympathy with them if they all lose their jobs.the champions will be the contractors who come out on weekends & most of the public are over the moon to see them.These so called scabs will soon be the cities bin men so what of the council bin men? they will become the losers who will wonder why they let it go this far when they're signing on? you & the rest of the people agreeing with the strikes have a lot to answer to as how many workers like goaheadpunk believe they have the public behind them & they can't lose after reading the pro strike posts on here.The Day Of The Contractor Cometh & your all to blame Losers
LH You of course are entitled to that opinion, I say you are wrong, but we will see in the end, I hope for a sensible compromise, but I will continue to support the binmen because I think that they have a reasonable case. It is as simple as that.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.[/p][/quote]goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)[/p][/quote]Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.[/p][/quote]As I explained I was responding to Lone Rangers swipe at me.I find many of your repeating pro strike posts boring but I have the decency to reply in a friendly manner I don't come on here ridiculing you.But if you want me to lower myself down to the levels of you & Lone Ranger( are you Tonto? ) here goes. I think Freddie Mercury put it in these words " We Are The Champions .No Time For Losers" the unions have lost this dispute & the longer the council workers ( not just bin men) continue with their actions the bigger losers they become.I would rather see them go back to work with the bulk of them keeping their jobs. if they can't see or wont see this is the best deal offered by the two main parties because it's a tory idea then I will have no sympathy with them if they all lose their jobs.the champions will be the contractors who come out on weekends & most of the public are over the moon to see them.These so called scabs will soon be the cities bin men so what of the council bin men? they will become the losers who will wonder why they let it go this far when they're signing on? you & the rest of the people agreeing with the strikes have a lot to answer to as how many workers like goaheadpunk believe they have the public behind them & they can't lose after reading the pro strike posts on here.The Day Of The Contractor Cometh & your all to blame Losers[/p][/quote]LH You of course are entitled to that opinion, I say you are wrong, but we will see in the end, I hope for a sensible compromise, but I will continue to support the binmen because I think that they have a reasonable case. It is as simple as that. OSPREYSAINT
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7:24pm Sun 14 Aug 11

Condor Man says...

Osprey, would it have been fair instead of enforcing paycuts to have sacked all the SCC instead? If the government are forcing through reductions there's little SCC could do unless cut pay and or jobs. The staff are never going to get their pay back, it's just a case now of how many people will be made redundant.
Osprey, would it have been fair instead of enforcing paycuts to have sacked all the SCC instead? If the government are forcing through reductions there's little SCC could do unless cut pay and or jobs. The staff are never going to get their pay back, it's just a case now of how many people will be made redundant. Condor Man
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7:36pm Sun 14 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
go ahead punk make my day wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.
goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)
Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.
As I explained I was responding to Lone Rangers swipe at me.I find many of your repeating pro strike posts boring but I have the decency to reply in a friendly manner I don't come on here ridiculing you.But if you want me to lower myself down to the levels of you & Lone Ranger( are you Tonto? ) here goes. I think Freddie Mercury put it in these words " We Are The Champions .No Time For Losers" the unions have lost this dispute & the longer the council workers ( not just bin men) continue with their actions the bigger losers they become.I would rather see them go back to work with the bulk of them keeping their jobs. if they can't see or wont see this is the best deal offered by the two main parties because it's a tory idea then I will have no sympathy with them if they all lose their jobs.the champions will be the contractors who come out on weekends & most of the public are over the moon to see them.These so called scabs will soon be the cities bin men so what of the council bin men? they will become the losers who will wonder why they let it go this far when they're signing on? you & the rest of the people agreeing with the strikes have a lot to answer to as how many workers like goaheadpunk believe they have the public behind them & they can't lose after reading the pro strike posts on here.The Day Of The Contractor Cometh & your all to blame Losers
LH You of course are entitled to that opinion, I say you are wrong, but we will see in the end, I hope for a sensible compromise, but I will continue to support the binmen because I think that they have a reasonable case. It is as simple as that.
The point is, what is the compromise? If workers don't take a cut, jobs have to be lost.

I genuinely feel for the workers, what the Council should do is review all salaries across the board.

Bin Men minimum wage, Street Cleaners minimum wage, Parking Attendants Minimum wage etc.

How much does a trolley collector earn at Tesco? They walk miles each day!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]go ahead punk make my day[/bold] wrote: The triple aaa rating is important to the rich nations no doubt, but what the mudslingers are missing is that this is 2011 not 1931 with the press covering of our nation most can see the working man is being buggered by mr green and his like if you really think 22k a year is over paid than this country is in for a rough period we're not all sitting in the silly corner.[/p][/quote]goaheadpunk you miss the point the triple A rating effects us all if you have a mortgage or a loan if this triple A rating is downgraded your mortgage/loan will cost you more & the Government will end up paying higher rates of interest to pay off the debt.if they can't make sufficient cuts as in the case of Greece they have to borrow the money from the IMF or the other countries in the Euro zone either way they are then expected to bring in even more Austerity measures ( cuts in public spending) the reason the council are cutting pay is because their monies from central government has been cut to help pay off the debt left by labour .they could have gone the Manchester way & just made a load of redundancies but they thought they would try to keep as many in jobs as they could. the unions object to this & if the court cases go ahead & the city loses then the amount of redundancies will soar as not only the savings they already had to make but the court costs as well will have to be recouped.I honestly think you union members made the biggest mistake of your lives by voting against the latest deal & maybe your jobs will now go to the contractors & you will only have your unions to blame ( not all the streets of Southampton are paved with gold)[/p][/quote]Boring, please give it a rest, your upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with the binmens dispute, it is something you must address in your own way, you only get one life, try and lighten up and enjoy it. If you want to worry about the rest of the Worlds financial woes, that is fair enough, but do not expect me to, I am not long enough on the planet to make any difference.[/p][/quote]As I explained I was responding to Lone Rangers swipe at me.I find many of your repeating pro strike posts boring but I have the decency to reply in a friendly manner I don't come on here ridiculing you.But if you want me to lower myself down to the levels of you & Lone Ranger( are you Tonto? ) here goes. I think Freddie Mercury put it in these words " We Are The Champions .No Time For Losers" the unions have lost this dispute & the longer the council workers ( not just bin men) continue with their actions the bigger losers they become.I would rather see them go back to work with the bulk of them keeping their jobs. if they can't see or wont see this is the best deal offered by the two main parties because it's a tory idea then I will have no sympathy with them if they all lose their jobs.the champions will be the contractors who come out on weekends & most of the public are over the moon to see them.These so called scabs will soon be the cities bin men so what of the council bin men? they will become the losers who will wonder why they let it go this far when they're signing on? you & the rest of the people agreeing with the strikes have a lot to answer to as how many workers like goaheadpunk believe they have the public behind them & they can't lose after reading the pro strike posts on here.The Day Of The Contractor Cometh & your all to blame Losers[/p][/quote]LH You of course are entitled to that opinion, I say you are wrong, but we will see in the end, I hope for a sensible compromise, but I will continue to support the binmen because I think that they have a reasonable case. It is as simple as that.[/p][/quote]The point is, what is the compromise? If workers don't take a cut, jobs have to be lost. I genuinely feel for the workers, what the Council should do is review all salaries across the board. Bin Men minimum wage, Street Cleaners minimum wage, Parking Attendants Minimum wage etc. How much does a trolley collector earn at Tesco? They walk miles each day! IronLady2010
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10:27pm Sun 14 Aug 11

IronLady2010 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
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I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
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So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
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Well the answer is YES.
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SWo they continue with the strike.
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Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
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Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
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But i think that they are working to rule.
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So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
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I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
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If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
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Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
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What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
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If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
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Also look at yourself Loosehead.
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Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
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Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it
REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.
Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!
Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.
Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense!

You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them.

This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon![/p][/quote]Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it[/p][/quote]REAL LOOSEHEAD I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Cardboard box? THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Aye. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. Credit :- Monty Python At least it was funny.[/p][/quote]Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article? I can't even be bothered to read it![/p][/quote]Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.[/p][/quote]Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't. Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense! You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them. This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union! IronLady2010
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10:40pm Sun 14 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Condor Man wrote:
Osprey, would it have been fair instead of enforcing paycuts to have sacked all the SCC instead? If the government are forcing through reductions there's little SCC could do unless cut pay and or jobs. The staff are never going to get their pay back, it's just a case now of how many people will be made redundant.
At least we agree on one thing, it is the Government that is basically to blame for the whole goddam mess.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Osprey, would it have been fair instead of enforcing paycuts to have sacked all the SCC instead? If the government are forcing through reductions there's little SCC could do unless cut pay and or jobs. The staff are never going to get their pay back, it's just a case now of how many people will be made redundant.[/p][/quote]At least we agree on one thing, it is the Government that is basically to blame for the whole goddam mess. OSPREYSAINT
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10:46pm Sun 14 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it
REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.
Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!
Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.
Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense!

You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them.

This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union!
Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon![/p][/quote]Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it[/p][/quote]REAL LOOSEHEAD I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Cardboard box? THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Aye. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. Credit :- Monty Python At least it was funny.[/p][/quote]Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article? I can't even be bothered to read it![/p][/quote]Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.[/p][/quote]Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't. Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense! You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them. This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union![/p][/quote]Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance, OSPREYSAINT
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9:53am Mon 15 Aug 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
.
Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
.
But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
.
If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
.
Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it
REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.
Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!
Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.
Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense!

You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them.

This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union!
Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,
Well for that you leave me no choice but to categorise you as a member of the Southy Raving Loony Party.I wasn't having a go at Iron Lady I was telling her why I was getting a bit heated in my reply to the likes of Lone Ranger.To spout on about Socialism you should have lived it .It use to be if you came from a background of nothing you fought ( worked) to improve your lot but now why do you need to ? the welfare state is so easy to con you can have holidays ,cars whatever you fancy if you work out how to do it. These bin men are moaning about their hard job yet they finish with in 4-5hours have the option to greatly increase their earnings some do some don't.even with these pay cuts they could still make up that money by a very small amount of overtime but they would rather push it to the point they could/will lose their jobs if you think this is a genuine course of actions Osprey read the unions communiques again it might change your mind.I know as an ex shop steward & employees councillor that there are procedures to follow in all things industrial in the unions own words the council have followed these yet the unions are taking them to court why? The argument has been from the strikers that this was a threat the first they or the unions knew of it was when they received letters.yet the unions have admitted knowing about this action before the letters in their own letters to the union members.if this makes me a member of the Talabin fine at least I can see the truth how about you?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon![/p][/quote]Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it[/p][/quote]REAL LOOSEHEAD I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Cardboard box? THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Aye. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. Credit :- Monty Python At least it was funny.[/p][/quote]Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article? I can't even be bothered to read it![/p][/quote]Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.[/p][/quote]Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't. Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense! You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them. This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union![/p][/quote]Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,[/p][/quote]Well for that you leave me no choice but to categorise you as a member of the Southy Raving Loony Party.I wasn't having a go at Iron Lady I was telling her why I was getting a bit heated in my reply to the likes of Lone Ranger.To spout on about Socialism you should have lived it .It use to be if you came from a background of nothing you fought ( worked) to improve your lot but now why do you need to ? the welfare state is so easy to con you can have holidays ,cars whatever you fancy if you work out how to do it. These bin men are moaning about their hard job yet they finish with in 4-5hours have the option to greatly increase their earnings some do some don't.even with these pay cuts they could still make up that money by a very small amount of overtime but they would rather push it to the point they could/will lose their jobs if you think this is a genuine course of actions Osprey read the unions communiques again it might change your mind.I know as an ex shop steward & employees councillor that there are procedures to follow in all things industrial in the unions own words the council have followed these yet the unions are taking them to court why? The argument has been from the strikers that this was a threat the first they or the unions knew of it was when they received letters.yet the unions have admitted knowing about this action before the letters in their own letters to the union members.if this makes me a member of the Talabin fine at least I can see the truth how about you? loosehead
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9:55am Mon 15 Aug 11

loosehead says...

Osprey I use to watch Monty Python & the Goodies & sorry your post was no way in that league!
Osprey I use to watch Monty Python & the Goodies & sorry your post was no way in that league! loosehead
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10:33am Mon 15 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
Osprey I use to watch Monty Python & the Goodies & sorry your post was no way in that league!
You have good taste sir, I am only an amateur in comparison, the biggest bunch of comedians at the moment are called the Coalition Government, I don't find them in the least amusing. I have no problem being a peripheral member of Southys RLP, but I like to be less narrow minded. I like him he is silly.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Osprey I use to watch Monty Python & the Goodies & sorry your post was no way in that league![/p][/quote]You have good taste sir, I am only an amateur in comparison, the biggest bunch of comedians at the moment are called the Coalition Government, I don't find them in the least amusing. I have no problem being a peripheral member of Southys RLP, but I like to be less narrow minded. I like him he is silly. OSPREYSAINT
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10:43am Mon 15 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
.
I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
.
So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
.
Well the answer is YES.
.
SWo they continue with the strike.
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Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
.
Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
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But i think that they are working to rule.
.
So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
.
I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
.
If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
.
.
Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
.
What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
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If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
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Also look at yourself Loosehead.
.
Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
.
Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it
REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.
Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!
Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.
Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense!

You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them.

This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union!
Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,
Well for that you leave me no choice but to categorise you as a member of the Southy Raving Loony Party.I wasn't having a go at Iron Lady I was telling her why I was getting a bit heated in my reply to the likes of Lone Ranger.To spout on about Socialism you should have lived it .It use to be if you came from a background of nothing you fought ( worked) to improve your lot but now why do you need to ? the welfare state is so easy to con you can have holidays ,cars whatever you fancy if you work out how to do it. These bin men are moaning about their hard job yet they finish with in 4-5hours have the option to greatly increase their earnings some do some don't.even with these pay cuts they could still make up that money by a very small amount of overtime but they would rather push it to the point they could/will lose their jobs if you think this is a genuine course of actions Osprey read the unions communiques again it might change your mind.I know as an ex shop steward & employees councillor that there are procedures to follow in all things industrial in the unions own words the council have followed these yet the unions are taking them to court why? The argument has been from the strikers that this was a threat the first they or the unions knew of it was when they received letters.yet the unions have admitted knowing about this action before the letters in their own letters to the union members.if this makes me a member of the Talabin fine at least I can see the truth how about you?
I didn't make you a member of the "Talabin" I have no control of it, the IL took you under her wing. Uncle MGRA has gone a bit quiet, but I suspect he may be the leader? You do realise that I am only teasing you all, I just don't understand narrow minded right wing attitudes, so I mock them instead. Rather than go into a rage, I make fun of it. I still am behind the binmen, despite the fact I am being inconvenienced. You will never understand left wing views so why not do the same, take the mick. Discourse is far better than rioting in the streets and as long as you keep within the realms of decency it cannot do any harm. Even the MGRA personal abuse, is just "sticks and stones", it would be easy to trade like for like but what would be the point?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon![/p][/quote]Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it[/p][/quote]REAL LOOSEHEAD I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Cardboard box? THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Aye. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. Credit :- Monty Python At least it was funny.[/p][/quote]Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article? I can't even be bothered to read it![/p][/quote]Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.[/p][/quote]Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't. Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense! You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them. This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union![/p][/quote]Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,[/p][/quote]Well for that you leave me no choice but to categorise you as a member of the Southy Raving Loony Party.I wasn't having a go at Iron Lady I was telling her why I was getting a bit heated in my reply to the likes of Lone Ranger.To spout on about Socialism you should have lived it .It use to be if you came from a background of nothing you fought ( worked) to improve your lot but now why do you need to ? the welfare state is so easy to con you can have holidays ,cars whatever you fancy if you work out how to do it. These bin men are moaning about their hard job yet they finish with in 4-5hours have the option to greatly increase their earnings some do some don't.even with these pay cuts they could still make up that money by a very small amount of overtime but they would rather push it to the point they could/will lose their jobs if you think this is a genuine course of actions Osprey read the unions communiques again it might change your mind.I know as an ex shop steward & employees councillor that there are procedures to follow in all things industrial in the unions own words the council have followed these yet the unions are taking them to court why? The argument has been from the strikers that this was a threat the first they or the unions knew of it was when they received letters.yet the unions have admitted knowing about this action before the letters in their own letters to the union members.if this makes me a member of the Talabin fine at least I can see the truth how about you?[/p][/quote]I didn't make you a member of the "Talabin" I have no control of it, the IL took you under her wing. Uncle MGRA has gone a bit quiet, but I suspect he may be the leader? You do realise that I am only teasing you all, I just don't understand narrow minded right wing attitudes, so I mock them instead. Rather than go into a rage, I make fun of it. I still am behind the binmen, despite the fact I am being inconvenienced. You will never understand left wing views so why not do the same, take the mick. Discourse is far better than rioting in the streets and as long as you keep within the realms of decency it cannot do any harm. Even the MGRA personal abuse, is just "sticks and stones", it would be easy to trade like for like but what would be the point? OSPREYSAINT
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OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO.
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I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!.
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So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No.
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Well the answer is YES.
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SWo they continue with the strike.
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Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it.
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Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to
vote then they can continue to work.
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But i think that they are working to rule.
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So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader.
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I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact
As I said "A Waffler"
And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites.
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If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years
Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling
Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling.
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Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind".
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What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........
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If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others.
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Also look at yourself Loosehead.
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Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses.
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Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs
If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on .
As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****
Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair.

I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle.

From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC).

No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole!

Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong.

I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back.

Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon!
Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it
REAL LOOSEHEAD
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
Cardboard box?
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Aye.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND LOOSEHEAD:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD LOOSEHEAD:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH LOOSEHEAD:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST LOOSEHEAD:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

Credit :- Monty Python

At least it was funny.
Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article?

I can't even be bothered to read it!
Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.
Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense!

You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them.

This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union!
Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,
Well for that you leave me no choice but to categorise you as a member of the Southy Raving Loony Party.I wasn't having a go at Iron Lady I was telling her why I was getting a bit heated in my reply to the likes of Lone Ranger.To spout on about Socialism you should have lived it .It use to be if you came from a background of nothing you fought ( worked) to improve your lot but now why do you need to ? the welfare state is so easy to con you can have holidays ,cars whatever you fancy if you work out how to do it. These bin men are moaning about their hard job yet they finish with in 4-5hours have the option to greatly increase their earnings some do some don't.even with these pay cuts they could still make up that money by a very small amount of overtime but they would rather push it to the point they could/will lose their jobs if you think this is a genuine course of actions Osprey read the unions communiques again it might change your mind.I know as an ex shop steward & employees councillor that there are procedures to follow in all things industrial in the unions own words the council have followed these yet the unions are taking them to court why? The argument has been from the strikers that this was a threat the first they or the unions knew of it was when they received letters.yet the unions have admitted knowing about this action before the letters in their own letters to the union members.if this makes me a member of the Talabin fine at least I can see the truth how about you?
I didn't make you a member of the "Talabin" I have no control of it, the IL took you under her wing. Uncle MGRA has gone a bit quiet, but I suspect he may be the leader? You do realise that I am only teasing you all, I just don't understand narrow minded right wing attitudes, so I mock them instead. Rather than go into a rage, I make fun of it. I still am behind the binmen, despite the fact I am being inconvenienced. You will never understand left wing views so why not do the same, take the mick. Discourse is far better than rioting in the streets and as long as you keep within the realms of decency it cannot do any harm. Even the MGRA personal abuse, is just "sticks and stones", it would be easy to trade like for like but what would be the point?
If you read my comments instead of taking the Mickey out of me you would find I know more about the Left & what they're supposed to stand for ( originally) Than many armchair socialists.these people many have been living comfortable lives have no real idea about being poor I have.my family have all risen out of poverty many owning their own house.one who does a very low paid job but puts in the hours to be able to own her own home.It seems to me if this had been a left wing council many of you would be agreeing with the approach by the council.If the tories had done wrong & this was the worst option & the unions had put forward a viable alternative,one that wouldn't penalise pensioners or low paid workers by increasing council tax I would have been on here supporting it & criticising the council.the socialists agenda/proposals are far worse than the tories so I can't see why anyone who supports the low earners of this city can even disagree with the councils cuts just because it's a tory council.you're supposed to support the best option for the poor of society not the relatively well off ( if they can be bothered to work overtime) so it seems to me I know more about socialism than say you.did you go down & cheer Harold Wilson at the city hall? I did but I have an open mind & vote for what's best for me & the country & that ain't Labour at this moment.I might not agree with MGRA or Iron lady all the time but a lot of what they say is the truth even if you don't like it
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Wffler NO ........ Mischief maker NO. . I am now confused with the fact that you are now brining in 240,000 residents into debate against 480 who voted for the dispute !!!!!!. . So 480 voted to continue the dispute. Was that the majority entitled to vote .. ........ Yes or No. . Well the answer is YES. . SWo they continue with the strike. . Thats what they call democracy. I am sure that you have heard of it. . Now if there are another few thousand SCC workers that are not entitled to vote then they can continue to work. . But i think that they are working to rule. . So the 240,000 residents dont want the strikes, I dont want them, but that does not mean that they dont support the strikers against a pathetic council and leader. . I think that those are the Facts that you are not aware of or are choosing not to mention. And that is a fact[/p][/quote]As I said "A Waffler"[/p][/quote]And as i said ....... You have NO FACTS to support your tired, old worn out, propaganda sound bites. . If the Tory Boys had not CHEATED on the Echo online poll then perhaps you would have had just a little substance, but the Tory faithful cant stand coming second as they have done for years[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger most of us on the right as you & your pals have labelled us. Have stated we don't give a dam about polls as they're very misleading.in the first poll we were harangued if we said this because we were losing even though the unions had rigged the vote to back them.when the vote was going pro council some idiot rigged it to go way over which made it obvious was this person pro council or some one who wanted to destroy the poll as they didn't like the pro council vote or was it a pro council person we don't know & don't really care.This council has told the truth about the unions all through this dispute & seeing the people out & showing nothing but friendship & gratitude to the contractors this morning ( second collection this week) I can only feel the city is going the way of the council so as I've said the day of the contractor cometh & the only ones to blame are the unions for whipping up hysteria & making the workforce believe they will win the strike & court cases.now those same unions can't control them & they're heading to the dole queue you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling[/p][/quote]Loosehead part quote :- ... you & your kind should be trying to stop this happening by talking to them not on here name calling. . . Who the hell are you to point your finger at me and say "Your Kind". . What the hell do you think i am some complete waster or something ...... How dare you ........ . If you want to point fingers look at the ones that support your views ... the obnoxious MGRA ( the Economist ) plus a few others. . Also look at yourself Loosehead. . Your digusting abuse at Southy ... who does not post anything like the personal attacks that you do. He is someone who believes in what he says and then all he gets is your nasty verbal responses. . Look at your own house first before you advise others on theirs[/p][/quote]If you want to get into a heated debate bring it on . As for Southy I don't come on & agree with riots.I don't come on here & say give the work to the North.I don't come on here & continuously slag down this city like he does.I don't come on here & just say sack the workers I've had open & frank debates with goaheadpunk. You come on here having a go at Royston you state they're the reason behind this & when any one try's to point out the truth you try to belittle them you anti tory bigot go back into your little hole & try getting a brain.do you remember all the goading & the phrase I've caught one but not the one I was expecting! you fire all the abuse but you can't take the truth so get of my back ****[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Chill out. Royston and the Council are winning, to be fair Royston is the only one to be consistent throughout this whole affair. I see no point in fighting those who know they are fighting a losing battle. From the start The Council have stated the terms, the Unions have refused to negotiate as documented (also on BBC). No need for us to argue any longer, just let the Unions continue to dig a bigger hole! Loosehead, check out Twitter, the Unions are TOTALLY against Tory no matter wether they are right or wrong. I'm surprised they aren't gunning for Labour who have stabbed them in the back. Just leave them to it, no doubt we'll have a video from the boss soon![/p][/quote]Iron Lady I come from an extremely poor back ground my dad was in prison & we lived on the Social.I had to go guy fawkesing & carol singing & do any work I could ( paper round Log round) to help get money for food my clothes came from the church.free school meals & bread & dripping for tea.I read a certain man agreeing with the riots I hear experts saying the youth feel left out.I then see people ( armchair socialists) ripping into me. So sorry I get a bit upset,These people have got it on a plate nowadays & they bleat on about poverty they don't know what it means! When I first left school you took a job any job the ones on the dole were looked upon as scroungers.now they can get so much on the dole & if they can fain an injury that they act as if they can't get work (do work) they get money so even when there's work ( eastern Europeans are doing it) they won't do it.I have been saying if the council workers enjoy their jobs isn't it better to keep it even with a pay cut than to go on the dole? but these lefties only can say It's Roystons fault.I hope you have a nice weekend & I hope before it's to late for them the bin men reconsider their position but I doubt it[/p][/quote]REAL LOOSEHEAD I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: Cardboard box? THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Aye. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND LOOSEHEAD: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD LOOSEHEAD: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH LOOSEHEAD: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST LOOSEHEAD: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. Credit :- Monty Python At least it was funny.[/p][/quote]Osprey, what relevance does this have to the article? I can't even be bothered to read it![/p][/quote]Very little, I am just fed up with the constant lectures and hard up tales of woe from LH. He is even having a go at you, if I read things right. Thought I might try to bring a bit of levity in, some of you are taking things far too seriously, like I said at the very beginning, it is just another industrial dispute, it has two sides entrenched and up their own backsides, neither is right, neither is wrong, but eventually they will have to get together, come to a compromise and sort it out, until they do the same old tripe will appear on here in whatever new thread that comes along. Once they have sorted it all out, we will forget about, and pick on some other source to rant on about. Not my fault if you have never heard of Monty Python, you obviously have little in the way of a sense of humour. You can have a little chuckle, it will make you feel better, try it.[/p][/quote]Loosehead isn't having a go at me, we understand each other. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't. Loosehead speaks his mind and I support that! Infact, he speaks a lot of sense! You then get Punk who moans his bins haven't been emptied for 3 weeks yet HE went to work for one of those weeks and is blaming contractors for not empting them. This whole arguement is over, the workers can moan all they want, nothing will change, they are on a worse deal now than they were offered thanks to their Union![/p][/quote]Sorry LH you have been taken back into the "Talabin", Iron Lady is in love with you, what a fine romance,[/p][/quote]Well for that you leave me no choice but to categorise you as a member of the Southy Raving Loony Party.I wasn't having a go at Iron Lady I was telling her why I was getting a bit heated in my reply to the likes of Lone Ranger.To spout on about Socialism you should have lived it .It use to be if you came from a background of nothing you fought ( worked) to improve your lot but now why do you need to ? the welfare state is so easy to con you can have holidays ,cars whatever you fancy if you work out how to do it. These bin men are moaning about their hard job yet they finish with in 4-5hours have the option to greatly increase their earnings some do some don't.even with these pay cuts they could still make up that money by a very small amount of overtime but they would rather push it to the point they could/will lose their jobs if you think this is a genuine course of actions Osprey read the unions communiques again it might change your mind.I know as an ex shop steward & employees councillor that there are procedures to follow in all things industrial in the unions own words the council have followed these yet the unions are taking them to court why? The argument has been from the strikers that this was a threat the first they or the unions knew of it was when they received letters.yet the unions have admitted knowing about this action before the letters in their own letters to the union members.if this makes me a member of the Talabin fine at least I can see the truth how about you?[/p][/quote]I didn't make you a member of the "Talabin" I have no control of it, the IL took you under her wing. Uncle MGRA has gone a bit quiet, but I suspect he may be the leader? You do realise that I am only teasing you all, I just don't understand narrow minded right wing attitudes, so I mock them instead. Rather than go into a rage, I make fun of it. I still am behind the binmen, despite the fact I am being inconvenienced. You will never understand left wing views so why not do the same, take the mick. Discourse is far better than rioting in the streets and as long as you keep within the realms of decency it cannot do any harm. Even the MGRA personal abuse, is just "sticks and stones", it would be easy to trade like for like but what would be the point?[/p][/quote]If you read my comments instead of taking the Mickey out of me you would find I know more about the Left & what they're supposed to stand for ( originally) Than many armchair socialists.these people many have been living comfortable lives have no real idea about being poor I have.my family have all risen out of poverty many owning their own house.one who does a very low paid job but puts in the hours to be able to own her own home.It seems to me if this had been a left wing council many of you would be agreeing with the approach by the council.If the tories had done wrong & this was the worst option & the unions had put forward a viable alternative,one that wouldn't penalise pensioners or low paid workers by increasing council tax I would have been on here supporting it & criticising the council.the socialists agenda/proposals are far worse than the tories so I can't see why anyone who supports the low earners of this city can even disagree with the councils cuts just because it's a tory council.you're supposed to support the best option for the poor of society not the relatively well off ( if they can be bothered to work overtime) so it seems to me I know more about socialism than say you.did you go down & cheer Harold Wilson at the city hall? I did but I have an open mind & vote for what's best for me & the country & that ain't Labour at this moment.I might not agree with MGRA or Iron lady all the time but a lot of what they say is the truth even if you don't like it loosehead
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12:37pm Mon 15 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

LH You have upset me now, no point me being on thread if I can't take the P. We are only ones left, your posts have driven every one else away.
LH You have upset me now, no point me being on thread if I can't take the P. We are only ones left, your posts have driven every one else away. OSPREYSAINT
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9:48am Tue 16 Aug 11

Soton Sense says...

Train Operating Companies announced this morning that in a move to prevent passengers facing 8% increases in fare prices, they have requested that staff members accept pay cuts of up to 5.5%. Initial reports indicate that ASLEF and the NUR welcome the proposals.
Train Operating Companies announced this morning that in a move to prevent passengers facing 8% increases in fare prices, they have requested that staff members accept pay cuts of up to 5.5%. Initial reports indicate that ASLEF and the NUR welcome the proposals. Soton Sense
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10:33am Tue 16 Aug 11

Soton Sense says...

Energy companies consider following Train Operating Companies in a novel pay-cut plan pioneered by Southampton City Council. An energy company spokesman stated that recent price hikes have been too much for customers to bare and that cutting staffing costs by up to 5.5% would help to limit further increases. Call centre workers welcome the move saying that they feel lucky to still have jobs, especially considering many of their customers are out of work or on lower pay than they are.
Energy companies consider following Train Operating Companies in a novel pay-cut plan pioneered by Southampton City Council. An energy company spokesman stated that recent price hikes have been too much for customers to bare and that cutting staffing costs by up to 5.5% would help to limit further increases. Call centre workers welcome the move saying that they feel lucky to still have jobs, especially considering many of their customers are out of work or on lower pay than they are. Soton Sense
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11:36am Tue 16 Aug 11

ShoBud21 says...

We had the private contractors around on Sunday who collected both blue and green bins (separately I might add). They have done a brilliant job, even collecting my neighbour's bin from the rear of her driveway. I gave them the tip that I would normally give to the council bin collectors at Christmas.

This year and all future years they (council bin men) will get nothing from me, nor from my neighbour who also gives them a tip each Christmas.
We had the private contractors around on Sunday who collected both blue and green bins (separately I might add). They have done a brilliant job, even collecting my neighbour's bin from the rear of her driveway. I gave them the tip that I would normally give to the council bin collectors at Christmas. This year and all future years they (council bin men) will get nothing from me, nor from my neighbour who also gives them a tip each Christmas. ShoBud21
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5:05pm Tue 16 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Soton Sense wrote:
Train Operating Companies announced this morning that in a move to prevent passengers facing 8% increases in fare prices, they have requested that staff members accept pay cuts of up to 5.5%. Initial reports indicate that ASLEF and the NUR welcome the proposals.
NUR became the RMT a while ago and TSSA are more likely to be the Union involved with the TOC's.
[quote][p][bold]Soton Sense[/bold] wrote: Train Operating Companies announced this morning that in a move to prevent passengers facing 8% increases in fare prices, they have requested that staff members accept pay cuts of up to 5.5%. Initial reports indicate that ASLEF and the NUR welcome the proposals.[/p][/quote]NUR became the RMT a while ago and TSSA are more likely to be the Union involved with the TOC's. OSPREYSAINT
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5:37pm Tue 16 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Soton Sense wrote:
Energy companies consider following Train Operating Companies in a novel pay-cut plan pioneered by Southampton City Council. An energy company spokesman stated that recent price hikes have been too much for customers to bare and that cutting staffing costs by up to 5.5% would help to limit further increases. Call centre workers welcome the move saying that they feel lucky to still have jobs, especially considering many of their customers are out of work or on lower pay than they are.
Are you a new "Talabin" recruit or one of the previous members with a new handle? Anyone following the SCC plan should wait until it has succeeded before jumping on the bandwagon. It could all end in tears.
[quote][p][bold]Soton Sense[/bold] wrote: Energy companies consider following Train Operating Companies in a novel pay-cut plan pioneered by Southampton City Council. An energy company spokesman stated that recent price hikes have been too much for customers to bare and that cutting staffing costs by up to 5.5% would help to limit further increases. Call centre workers welcome the move saying that they feel lucky to still have jobs, especially considering many of their customers are out of work or on lower pay than they are.[/p][/quote]Are you a new "Talabin" recruit or one of the previous members with a new handle? Anyone following the SCC plan should wait until it has succeeded before jumping on the bandwagon. It could all end in tears. OSPREYSAINT
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5:38pm Tue 16 Aug 11

Northam Lady says...

I would just like to say Thank You to the street cleaners and bin men who have at last gone back to work and cleaned up our City before we have lost all hope of any tourists and cruise clients returning to us due to the disgraceful state of our city within the last few MONTHS (not weeks). Please don't threaten us with this sort of action again. The majority of residents and businesses have had enough. We can only take so much.
I would just like to say Thank You to the street cleaners and bin men who have at last gone back to work and cleaned up our City before we have lost all hope of any tourists and cruise clients returning to us due to the disgraceful state of our city within the last few MONTHS (not weeks). Please don't threaten us with this sort of action again. The majority of residents and businesses have had enough. We can only take so much. Northam Lady
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5:52pm Tue 16 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Northam Lady wrote:
I would just like to say Thank You to the street cleaners and bin men who have at last gone back to work and cleaned up our City before we have lost all hope of any tourists and cruise clients returning to us due to the disgraceful state of our city within the last few MONTHS (not weeks). Please don't threaten us with this sort of action again. The majority of residents and businesses have had enough. We can only take so much.
I would like to thank them too but I cannot coz they haven't been anywhere near! Are you saying that the dispute is over, I haven't seen anything to that effect. I suspect it was Contractors that have done the job and as you say well done them. It would be nice to know SCCs latest take on the problem but their silence is deafening.
[quote][p][bold]Northam Lady[/bold] wrote: I would just like to say Thank You to the street cleaners and bin men who have at last gone back to work and cleaned up our City before we have lost all hope of any tourists and cruise clients returning to us due to the disgraceful state of our city within the last few MONTHS (not weeks). Please don't threaten us with this sort of action again. The majority of residents and businesses have had enough. We can only take so much.[/p][/quote]I would like to thank them too but I cannot coz they haven't been anywhere near! Are you saying that the dispute is over, I haven't seen anything to that effect. I suspect it was Contractors that have done the job and as you say well done them. It would be nice to know SCCs latest take on the problem but their silence is deafening. OSPREYSAINT
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6:01pm Tue 16 Aug 11

Soton Sense says...

Thanks Ospreysaint, but everyone's getting annoyed with the bin men (even though it's not just the bin men striking) yet workers in other industries/sectors wouldn't put up with it. If a company is suffering due to lack of business then workers may opt for a pay cut to carry their jobs through a rough period, but rail companies and energy providers (like the council) are not suffering from a lack of business but from increased costs and/or reduced income for reasons other than lack of demand. In the case of rail companies and energy providers they are putting up the prices they charge to their customers. They are not cutting the pay of their workers to make up a shortfall. But then they don't have to count on our vote.
Thanks Ospreysaint, but everyone's getting annoyed with the bin men (even though it's not just the bin men striking) yet workers in other industries/sectors wouldn't put up with it. If a company is suffering due to lack of business then workers may opt for a pay cut to carry their jobs through a rough period, but rail companies and energy providers (like the council) are not suffering from a lack of business but from increased costs and/or reduced income for reasons other than lack of demand. In the case of rail companies and energy providers they are putting up the prices they charge to their customers. They are not cutting the pay of their workers to make up a shortfall. But then they don't have to count on our vote. Soton Sense
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7:31pm Tue 16 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Soton Sense wrote:
Thanks Ospreysaint, but everyone's getting annoyed with the bin men (even though it's not just the bin men striking) yet workers in other industries/sectors wouldn't put up with it. If a company is suffering due to lack of business then workers may opt for a pay cut to carry their jobs through a rough period, but rail companies and energy providers (like the council) are not suffering from a lack of business but from increased costs and/or reduced income for reasons other than lack of demand. In the case of rail companies and energy providers they are putting up the prices they charge to their customers. They are not cutting the pay of their workers to make up a shortfall. But then they don't have to count on our vote.
Yes, but it is counterproductive to cut wages of people who are not earning much in the first place, you take away any dispoable income that they would to spend on products, no product purchasing means no need to produce, more jobs lost. Inflation too means that they will struggle to survive, no one that is well off thank you very much, has any right to demand that poorer people should become destitute. What is it about that that you and your narrow minded right wing buddies don't understand?
[quote][p][bold]Soton Sense[/bold] wrote: Thanks Ospreysaint, but everyone's getting annoyed with the bin men (even though it's not just the bin men striking) yet workers in other industries/sectors wouldn't put up with it. If a company is suffering due to lack of business then workers may opt for a pay cut to carry their jobs through a rough period, but rail companies and energy providers (like the council) are not suffering from a lack of business but from increased costs and/or reduced income for reasons other than lack of demand. In the case of rail companies and energy providers they are putting up the prices they charge to their customers. They are not cutting the pay of their workers to make up a shortfall. But then they don't have to count on our vote.[/p][/quote]Yes, but it is counterproductive to cut wages of people who are not earning much in the first place, you take away any dispoable income that they would to spend on products, no product purchasing means no need to produce, more jobs lost. Inflation too means that they will struggle to survive, no one that is well off thank you very much, has any right to demand that poorer people should become destitute. What is it about that that you and your narrow minded right wing buddies don't understand? OSPREYSAINT
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8:12pm Tue 16 Aug 11

thinklikealocal says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Soton Sense wrote: Thanks Ospreysaint, but everyone's getting annoyed with the bin men (even though it's not just the bin men striking) yet workers in other industries/sectors wouldn't put up with it. If a company is suffering due to lack of business then workers may opt for a pay cut to carry their jobs through a rough period, but rail companies and energy providers (like the council) are not suffering from a lack of business but from increased costs and/or reduced income for reasons other than lack of demand. In the case of rail companies and energy providers they are putting up the prices they charge to their customers. They are not cutting the pay of their workers to make up a shortfall. But then they don't have to count on our vote.
Yes, but it is counterproductive to cut wages of people who are not earning much in the first place, you take away any dispoable income that they would to spend on products, no product purchasing means no need to produce, more jobs lost. Inflation too means that they will struggle to survive, no one that is well off thank you very much, has any right to demand that poorer people should become destitute. What is it about that that you and your narrow minded right wing buddies don't understand?
Ospreysaint, I think you got the wrong gist in your last post. Soton Sense didn't seem to be attacking the workers in his post? Although he has had Talabin leanings in the past....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soton Sense[/bold] wrote: Thanks Ospreysaint, but everyone's getting annoyed with the bin men (even though it's not just the bin men striking) yet workers in other industries/sectors wouldn't put up with it. If a company is suffering due to lack of business then workers may opt for a pay cut to carry their jobs through a rough period, but rail companies and energy providers (like the council) are not suffering from a lack of business but from increased costs and/or reduced income for reasons other than lack of demand. In the case of rail companies and energy providers they are putting up the prices they charge to their customers. They are not cutting the pay of their workers to make up a shortfall. But then they don't have to count on our vote.[/p][/quote]Yes, but it is counterproductive to cut wages of people who are not earning much in the first place, you take away any dispoable income that they would to spend on products, no product purchasing means no need to produce, more jobs lost. Inflation too means that they will struggle to survive, no one that is well off thank you very much, has any right to demand that poorer people should become destitute. What is it about that that you and your narrow minded right wing buddies don't understand?[/p][/quote]Ospreysaint, I think you got the wrong gist in your last post. Soton Sense didn't seem to be attacking the workers in his post? Although he has had Talabin leanings in the past.... thinklikealocal
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8:15pm Tue 16 Aug 11

DrPepper0806 says...

Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new empolyees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new empolyees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city! DrPepper0806
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8:17pm Tue 16 Aug 11

DrPepper0806 says...

Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city! DrPepper0806
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9:34pm Tue 16 Aug 11

thinklikealocal says...

DrPepper0806 wrote:
Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P,

Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
[quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up. thinklikealocal
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11:06pm Tue 16 Aug 11

crazy-rocker says...

My road has loads of houses converted into flats. All the landlords have grouped together to empty the bins. It was fun today cause the dustmen turned up only to find all the bins empty lol. They got emptied yesterday. But a dustcart goes down my rd every day but never stops to pick up rubbish. So think they r just driving around to make it look like their working and using up fuel that tax payers have to pay for. This city was falling apart under labour and will fall apart again if labour or a socialist party gets in again. At least the tories try to make the most of the money available and make cuts when they need too. Unlike labour and other socialist parties who just want to spend without thiking about where the money comes from. Then the tax payers end up having to pay it back when the tories get back in. Ive lived through a lot of govts and this country falls apart everytime labour is in power localy or nationaly. The cut backs r necisary cause of socialist ideals of wanting to create jobs that dont exist or keep ppl working in jobs that r losing money. Take the coal mines. Most had run out of coal but labour nationlised them to keep them open and payed the miners for doing nothing just so they wouldnt be out of work. tax payers were paying their wages. We lost most of r industry due to labour taking a lot of companies into state ownership only for them to fail. The railways were making a profit and running on time. But when labour made them all into british rail they started falling apart. The N.H.S started falling apart under labour cause they made it free for all. Under the tories and libs who started the N.H.S those that could pay paid. Only the low wage earners got it free. the N.H.S was created about 100 yrs before the labour party were even formed. But they claim they created it. Labour started out as the communist party. But when they didnt get votes they changed the name to labour. Socialist is just another name for communist.
My road has loads of houses converted into flats. All the landlords have grouped together to empty the bins. It was fun today cause the dustmen turned up only to find all the bins empty lol. They got emptied yesterday. But a dustcart goes down my rd every day but never stops to pick up rubbish. So think they r just driving around to make it look like their working and using up fuel that tax payers have to pay for. This city was falling apart under labour and will fall apart again if labour or a socialist party gets in again. At least the tories try to make the most of the money available and make cuts when they need too. Unlike labour and other socialist parties who just want to spend without thiking about where the money comes from. Then the tax payers end up having to pay it back when the tories get back in. Ive lived through a lot of govts and this country falls apart everytime labour is in power localy or nationaly. The cut backs r necisary cause of socialist ideals of wanting to create jobs that dont exist or keep ppl working in jobs that r losing money. Take the coal mines. Most had run out of coal but labour nationlised them to keep them open and payed the miners for doing nothing just so they wouldnt be out of work. tax payers were paying their wages. We lost most of r industry due to labour taking a lot of companies into state ownership only for them to fail. The railways were making a profit and running on time. But when labour made them all into british rail they started falling apart. The N.H.S started falling apart under labour cause they made it free for all. Under the tories and libs who started the N.H.S those that could pay paid. Only the low wage earners got it free. the N.H.S was created about 100 yrs before the labour party were even formed. But they claim they created it. Labour started out as the communist party. But when they didnt get votes they changed the name to labour. Socialist is just another name for communist. crazy-rocker
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12:34am Wed 17 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

crazy-rocker wrote:
My road has loads of houses converted into flats. All the landlords have grouped together to empty the bins. It was fun today cause the dustmen turned up only to find all the bins empty lol. They got emptied yesterday. But a dustcart goes down my rd every day but never stops to pick up rubbish. So think they r just driving around to make it look like their working and using up fuel that tax payers have to pay for. This city was falling apart under labour and will fall apart again if labour or a socialist party gets in again. At least the tories try to make the most of the money available and make cuts when they need too. Unlike labour and other socialist parties who just want to spend without thiking about where the money comes from. Then the tax payers end up having to pay it back when the tories get back in. Ive lived through a lot of govts and this country falls apart everytime labour is in power localy or nationaly. The cut backs r necisary cause of socialist ideals of wanting to create jobs that dont exist or keep ppl working in jobs that r losing money. Take the coal mines. Most had run out of coal but labour nationlised them to keep them open and payed the miners for doing nothing just so they wouldnt be out of work. tax payers were paying their wages. We lost most of r industry due to labour taking a lot of companies into state ownership only for them to fail. The railways were making a profit and running on time. But when labour made them all into british rail they started falling apart. The N.H.S started falling apart under labour cause they made it free for all. Under the tories and libs who started the N.H.S those that could pay paid. Only the low wage earners got it free. the N.H.S was created about 100 yrs before the labour party were even formed. But they claim they created it. Labour started out as the communist party. But when they didnt get votes they changed the name to labour. Socialist is just another name for communist.
and I guess you believe in Santa Claus and UFO's. Crazy is about right if you really believe what you just posted! I guess you were being ironic?
[quote][p][bold]crazy-rocker[/bold] wrote: My road has loads of houses converted into flats. All the landlords have grouped together to empty the bins. It was fun today cause the dustmen turned up only to find all the bins empty lol. They got emptied yesterday. But a dustcart goes down my rd every day but never stops to pick up rubbish. So think they r just driving around to make it look like their working and using up fuel that tax payers have to pay for. This city was falling apart under labour and will fall apart again if labour or a socialist party gets in again. At least the tories try to make the most of the money available and make cuts when they need too. Unlike labour and other socialist parties who just want to spend without thiking about where the money comes from. Then the tax payers end up having to pay it back when the tories get back in. Ive lived through a lot of govts and this country falls apart everytime labour is in power localy or nationaly. The cut backs r necisary cause of socialist ideals of wanting to create jobs that dont exist or keep ppl working in jobs that r losing money. Take the coal mines. Most had run out of coal but labour nationlised them to keep them open and payed the miners for doing nothing just so they wouldnt be out of work. tax payers were paying their wages. We lost most of r industry due to labour taking a lot of companies into state ownership only for them to fail. The railways were making a profit and running on time. But when labour made them all into british rail they started falling apart. The N.H.S started falling apart under labour cause they made it free for all. Under the tories and libs who started the N.H.S those that could pay paid. Only the low wage earners got it free. the N.H.S was created about 100 yrs before the labour party were even formed. But they claim they created it. Labour started out as the communist party. But when they didnt get votes they changed the name to labour. Socialist is just another name for communist.[/p][/quote]and I guess you believe in Santa Claus and UFO's. Crazy is about right if you really believe what you just posted! I guess you were being ironic? OSPREYSAINT
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9:20am Wed 17 Aug 11

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote:
Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P,

Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you? loosehead
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1:05pm Wed 17 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Well whatever this coalition is supposed to be doing, it ain't working, 2.49 million unemployed is not the result of the previous Governments Policies however you look at it. It is an inevitable downward spiral, take away disposable income = take away demand, destroys the manufacturing base equals more unemployment, less money in the economy, the 1930's beckons, when will they ever learn?
Well whatever this coalition is supposed to be doing, it ain't working, 2.49 million unemployed is not the result of the previous Governments Policies however you look at it. It is an inevitable downward spiral, take away disposable income = take away demand, destroys the manufacturing base equals more unemployment, less money in the economy, the 1930's beckons, when will they ever learn? OSPREYSAINT
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3:22pm Wed 17 Aug 11

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head:

1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week.

2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles.

3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options).

Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet!

And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy.

Simples....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples.... thinklikealocal
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3:55pm Wed 17 Aug 11

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head:

1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week.

2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles.

3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options).

Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet!

And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy.

Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go? loosehead
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7:24am Fri 19 Aug 11

stan.watt says...

how can anyone ask workers to accept a pay cut in these times when everything is going up, gas, power, food, petrol etc. Only a city councilor who isn't in touch with reality would think of applying these cuts. stopping the refurbishments of the council buildings and scrapping the Titanic museum would save money. Councilors should have to pay for parking in the city like the rest of us, and car allowances should be scrapped for councilors. morons!!
how can anyone ask workers to accept a pay cut in these times when everything is going up, gas, power, food, petrol etc. Only a city councilor who isn't in touch with reality would think of applying these cuts. stopping the refurbishments of the council buildings and scrapping the Titanic museum would save money. Councilors should have to pay for parking in the city like the rest of us, and car allowances should be scrapped for councilors. morons!! stan.watt
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7:44am Fri 19 Aug 11

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?[/p][/quote]LH, I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple. You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics? And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly. You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours. thinklikealocal
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11:34am Fri 19 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.
A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?[/p][/quote]LH, I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple. You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics? And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly. You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.[/p][/quote]A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view. OSPREYSAINT
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11:57am Fri 19 Aug 11

loosehead says...

It has nothing to do with the tories.show me where you have estates as rough as those in Eastleigh? I for one wouldn't mind monthly collections as long as I paid less as I would be getting less of a service & not having the savings going to give you a pay rise
It has nothing to do with the tories.show me where you have estates as rough as those in Eastleigh? I for one wouldn't mind monthly collections as long as I paid less as I would be getting less of a service & not having the savings going to give you a pay rise loosehead
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12:05pm Fri 19 Aug 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.
A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.
Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?[/p][/quote]LH, I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple. You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics? And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly. You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.[/p][/quote]A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.[/p][/quote]Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia loosehead
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9:17pm Fri 19 Aug 11

Ant Smoking MP says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.
A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.
Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia
You have completely lost it LH. You resort to abuse because you have lost the argument. You must start going back down the Pub. Drunks are the only people you make sence to.
.
thinklikealocal has made some excellent and 100% true points. Even your pretend Tory mates would agree with them!!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?[/p][/quote]LH, I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple. You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics? And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly. You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.[/p][/quote]A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.[/p][/quote]Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia[/p][/quote]You have completely lost it LH. You resort to abuse because you have lost the argument. You must start going back down the Pub. Drunks are the only people you make sence to. . thinklikealocal has made some excellent and 100% true points. Even your pretend Tory mates would agree with them!! Ant Smoking MP
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10:21pm Fri 19 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.
A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.
Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia
Gosh, just watch those toys flying out of the pram, good grief what a grouch. I have a job thank you very much, and guess where? Yup Eastleigh, believe me if I had any form of dementia I would not have kept my job for 47 years! I am in touch with reality and what I see of it I do not like. Do you really deny me the right to support anyone I chose, but you are right, I am totally anti Tory make no mistake about that. The best Tory is history.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?[/p][/quote]LH, I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple. You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics? And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly. You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.[/p][/quote]A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.[/p][/quote]Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia[/p][/quote]Gosh, just watch those toys flying out of the pram, good grief what a grouch. I have a job thank you very much, and guess where? Yup Eastleigh, believe me if I had any form of dementia I would not have kept my job for 47 years! I am in touch with reality and what I see of it I do not like. Do you really deny me the right to support anyone I chose, but you are right, I am totally anti Tory make no mistake about that. The best Tory is history. OSPREYSAINT
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8:45am Sat 20 Aug 11

loosehead says...

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.
A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.
Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia
You have completely lost it LH. You resort to abuse because you have lost the argument. You must start going back down the Pub. Drunks are the only people you make sence to.
.
thinklikealocal has made some excellent and 100% true points. Even your pretend Tory mates would agree with them!!
Ant it's sense not sence & why keep on about going down the pub? I haven't been to a pub for at least two years I haven't had a beer for at least two months so why do you talk about me throwing abuse whilst making me out to be some type of alchy (drunk) ? You should read thinklikealocal even though I'm not posts as she talks about cutting bin collections to fortnightly & doing two shifts ( I guess she's suggesting an 8 hour day) cutting the binmen by 50% so saving on wages this with some thing I agree with & that's dropping the rebate to certain pensioners.so allowing her & her colleagues to not have a pay cut & have a 4% pay rise each year for the next two years & you think this is a good thing? I haven't lost any argument I have been proven right & my so called right wing friends see no point arguing with you left wingers ( whingers) as we have now won the dispute & you & all the union members are the losers so why don't you go down the pub & drown your sorrows loser
[quote][p][bold]Ant Smoking MP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?[/p][/quote]LH, I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple. You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics? And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly. You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.[/p][/quote]A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.[/p][/quote]Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia[/p][/quote]You have completely lost it LH. You resort to abuse because you have lost the argument. You must start going back down the Pub. Drunks are the only people you make sence to. . thinklikealocal has made some excellent and 100% true points. Even your pretend Tory mates would agree with them!![/p][/quote]Ant it's sense not sence & why keep on about going down the pub? I haven't been to a pub for at least two years I haven't had a beer for at least two months so why do you talk about me throwing abuse whilst making me out to be some type of alchy (drunk) ? You should read thinklikealocal even though I'm not posts as she talks about cutting bin collections to fortnightly & doing two shifts ( I guess she's suggesting an 8 hour day) cutting the binmen by 50% so saving on wages this with some thing I agree with & that's dropping the rebate to certain pensioners.so allowing her & her colleagues to not have a pay cut & have a 4% pay rise each year for the next two years & you think this is a good thing? I haven't lost any argument I have been proven right & my so called right wing friends see no point arguing with you left wingers ( whingers) as we have now won the dispute & you & all the union members are the losers so why don't you go down the pub & drown your sorrows loser loosehead
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8:51am Sat 20 Aug 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.
A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.
Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia
Gosh, just watch those toys flying out of the pram, good grief what a grouch. I have a job thank you very much, and guess where? Yup Eastleigh, believe me if I had any form of dementia I would not have kept my job for 47 years! I am in touch with reality and what I see of it I do not like. Do you really deny me the right to support anyone I chose, but you are right, I am totally anti Tory make no mistake about that. The best Tory is history.
So your a total liar as well then! you have stated in the past that you were open to have your stance on the strikes changed but that was a total lie wasn't it? how can you be opened minded if you hate the tories & don't believe a word they say? sounds like the blind left leading the blind.No strike this week & surprise surprise no bin collection.well bring back the contractors better working more reliable & they cost less.If you like Eastleigh why don't you move there ? live under a Liberal council & have a happy non tory life ?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?[/p][/quote]LH, I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple. You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics? And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly. You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.[/p][/quote]A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.[/p][/quote]Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia[/p][/quote]Gosh, just watch those toys flying out of the pram, good grief what a grouch. I have a job thank you very much, and guess where? Yup Eastleigh, believe me if I had any form of dementia I would not have kept my job for 47 years! I am in touch with reality and what I see of it I do not like. Do you really deny me the right to support anyone I chose, but you are right, I am totally anti Tory make no mistake about that. The best Tory is history.[/p][/quote]So your a total liar as well then! you have stated in the past that you were open to have your stance on the strikes changed but that was a total lie wasn't it? how can you be opened minded if you hate the tories & don't believe a word they say? sounds like the blind left leading the blind.No strike this week & surprise surprise no bin collection.well bring back the contractors better working more reliable & they cost less.If you like Eastleigh why don't you move there ? live under a Liberal council & have a happy non tory life ? loosehead
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10:15am Sat 20 Aug 11

Ant Smoking MP says...

loosehead wrote:
Ant Smoking MP wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.
A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.
Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia
You have completely lost it LH. You resort to abuse because you have lost the argument. You must start going back down the Pub. Drunks are the only people you make sence to.
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thinklikealocal has made some excellent and 100% true points. Even your pretend Tory mates would agree with them!!
Ant it's sense not sence & why keep on about going down the pub? I haven't been to a pub for at least two years I haven't had a beer for at least two months so why do you talk about me throwing abuse whilst making me out to be some type of alchy (drunk) ? You should read thinklikealocal even though I'm not posts as she talks about cutting bin collections to fortnightly & doing two shifts ( I guess she's suggesting an 8 hour day) cutting the binmen by 50% so saving on wages this with some thing I agree with & that's dropping the rebate to certain pensioners.so allowing her & her colleagues to not have a pay cut & have a 4% pay rise each year for the next two years & you think this is a good thing? I haven't lost any argument I have been proven right & my so called right wing friends see no point arguing with you left wingers ( whingers) as we have now won the dispute & you & all the union members are the losers so why don't you go down the pub & drown your sorrows loser
You sad, sad old man!!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ant Smoking MP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?[/p][/quote]LH, I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple. You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics? And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly. You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.[/p][/quote]A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.[/p][/quote]Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia[/p][/quote]You have completely lost it LH. You resort to abuse because you have lost the argument. You must start going back down the Pub. Drunks are the only people you make sence to. . thinklikealocal has made some excellent and 100% true points. Even your pretend Tory mates would agree with them!![/p][/quote]Ant it's sense not sence & why keep on about going down the pub? I haven't been to a pub for at least two years I haven't had a beer for at least two months so why do you talk about me throwing abuse whilst making me out to be some type of alchy (drunk) ? You should read thinklikealocal even though I'm not posts as she talks about cutting bin collections to fortnightly & doing two shifts ( I guess she's suggesting an 8 hour day) cutting the binmen by 50% so saving on wages this with some thing I agree with & that's dropping the rebate to certain pensioners.so allowing her & her colleagues to not have a pay cut & have a 4% pay rise each year for the next two years & you think this is a good thing? I haven't lost any argument I have been proven right & my so called right wing friends see no point arguing with you left wingers ( whingers) as we have now won the dispute & you & all the union members are the losers so why don't you go down the pub & drown your sorrows loser[/p][/quote]You sad, sad old man!! Ant Smoking MP
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10:17am Sat 20 Aug 11

Ant Smoking MP says...

Loosehead. You sad, sad old man!!
Loosehead. You sad, sad old man!! Ant Smoking MP
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11:01am Sat 20 Aug 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
DrPepper0806 wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city!
Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.
So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?
Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....
Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?
LH,

I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple.

You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics?

And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly.

You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.
A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.
Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia
Gosh, just watch those toys flying out of the pram, good grief what a grouch. I have a job thank you very much, and guess where? Yup Eastleigh, believe me if I had any form of dementia I would not have kept my job for 47 years! I am in touch with reality and what I see of it I do not like. Do you really deny me the right to support anyone I chose, but you are right, I am totally anti Tory make no mistake about that. The best Tory is history.
So your a total liar as well then! you have stated in the past that you were open to have your stance on the strikes changed but that was a total lie wasn't it? how can you be opened minded if you hate the tories & don't believe a word they say? sounds like the blind left leading the blind.No strike this week & surprise surprise no bin collection.well bring back the contractors better working more reliable & they cost less.If you like Eastleigh why don't you move there ? live under a Liberal council & have a happy non tory life ?
A tease maybe but a liar, never, you just completely misunderstood everything I have posted, because you are so one way you cannot accept any other point of view, you have no grasp of irony, and by the way it is either "you are" or "you're" not your in this context. I am still open to have my views on the strikes changed, but nothing has yet convinced me to think otherwise, your own rubbish diatribes have only strengthened my resolve. As for being a liar, Contractors cost less, that is a blatant untruth and you know it. Why do I not move to Eastleigh? Well I was born in the house I live in, I have bought it through hard work, it is solid, safe and my own, why would I want to go to Eastleigh? Sadly for some unexplained reason, my Constituency is now Tory, having kicked out a decent Liberal MP we get a dodgy Tory.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrPepper0806[/bold] wrote: Shame so many people dont understand how or why these cuts etc are being made in Southampton. Royston Smith is doing everything within his power to protect the city and do whats best. If people refuse to cooperate and look at the bigger picture, then he can not be held responsible! Do these 'strikers' not see that without these cuts, hundreds of them would simply just lose their jobs? And what you rather, take a moderate pay cut or lose your job completely? Personally, I know what I'd rather. Also, as these 'strikers' clearly dont appreciate the jobs they have, I'd much rather they got rid of them and got new employees who would appreciate what they've been given! So thank you Royston, I for one can see that you are infact doing what is best for our city![/p][/quote]Dr P, Thanks for your concern. I am an employee of SCC and can make my own mind up, as can all the rest. This pay cut comes on top of a three year pay freeze, so with inflation running at nearly 5% your looking at a lot more than a modest pay cut in real terms. There are other options to cutting pay and/or redundancies, the party in power just do not want to consider them. There have been lots of redundancies anyway and those in charge won't rule out further redundancies so I think it's fair to say that the 'saving jobs' line is not cutting it with the staff. We are all very angry and fed up.[/p][/quote]So come on clever clogs what other options? forget council tax as that would bring down penalties on the council if they raised it even this year or the next & what right does some one from Eastleigh have to even suggest we pay for her pay rises out of our tax whilst she wont have to pay anymore as she doesn't live in the city.If your that so unhappy with your employers you could quite easily get another job couldn't you?[/p][/quote]Well Loosehead, as already posted on here, let me tell you three off the top of my head: 1. Twice weekly bin collections. Here in eastleigh we have had them for 10+ years. Contrary to the 'scare' stories in the paper I have never had a rats/flies/maggots. If there is one thing the strike has proved you don't need a bin collection every week. 2. Two shofts for bin collections = half as many vehicles. 3. Stop the council tax reduction for better off pensioners (only introduced in this year of supposed dreadful austerity/no other options). Net saving circa £5m. Why isn't it happening - you tell me! I would say it is pure politics. well fine, but why should I pay for it out of my wage packet! And before you start bleating on about redundancies, only option 1 raises the prospect of this but by the timew you count the number of temp employees and those that would go on voluntary redundancy there would be no need for complusary redundacy. Simples....[/p][/quote]Right for one you actually mean fortnightly collections don't you not having your bins emptied twice a week true? I'm all for that but if you came around Lordshill or Millbrook estate you would see the problem with that.to ask people to sort their rubbish into recycle non recycle is an impossibility in many cases & if you lived here you would see how many plastic bags are left out with a weekly collection & to see what it's like after only one day after a non bin collection would really show you the problem with that.I & my wife would not fill our bin over the course of a month so it wouldn't bother us but you have to think of the families & flat tenants so even though it would be okay for many it wouldn't be okay for all.I've put that one & I've already asked a councillor to scrap the pension rebate & that one they were willing to throw into the pot in negotiations.So dear Lady this could/should have been one of the subjects your unions would have been discussing but you the work didn't give them permission to do so.If this council thought withdrawing the pensioners rebate would help bring an end to the dispute they would do it & that came straight from the horses mouth ( negotiating team) the only reason this hasn't already happened is because they're worried if they offer it the unions would then up their demands as they have done with every concession they have made.I hope this throws a bit of light on the politics of it all.Also the temp bin men are cheaper & work on weekends so could that be the way to go?[/p][/quote]LH, I do mean fortnightly bin collections. You say they can't happen because their are families and flats in Southampton? Are you for real? Don't you think their are families and flats in Eastleigh and the other 60% of the UK that has this type of service? So the people of Millbrook and Lordshill are 'incapable' or sorting their rubbish so SCC staff should pay for an enhanced service out of their pay packets? Sorry, not buying it. This is not happening because RS and his cronies want to get elected next May and they think this will help - pure and simple. You don't mention option 2 - 2 x shifts for bin collections? This was put forward as a savings proposal by officers and rejected. More politics? And as for the pensioner Council Tax rebate are you saying it's the Unions fault we have this? Beyond belief! This was introduced AFTER the huge cuts in funding were announced and AFTER staff were told they were going to have a pay cut to balance the books. These are active decisions the ruling administration have taken. To pretend they are somehow 'hostages' to the Trade Unions is just silly. You cannot escape from the fact that there are other viable options but that RS has CHOSEN to go down the route of attacking staff and I for one will never forgive him. It's old fashioned Tory politics at their worst and NO GOOD for this great City of ours.[/p][/quote]A very good response but don't expect the "Talabin" to listen or understand it, they are so narrow minded they are incapable of accepting a different point of view.[/p][/quote]Good response your a total ****.read her original post. she wants people to lose their jobs so she won't have a pay cut & will receive pay rises next year & the year after.I think you have lost the plot calling people Talabin & saying they have narrow minds because they don't follow your point of view.yet time & time again people have shown you exactly what's happening & you've called them names.now thinklikealocal who isn't a local & comes from Eastleigh wants job losses for her own personal gain & because she's anti Tory you agree with her ? Your so out of touch with reality I think you should see a doctor & get checked out for dementia[/p][/quote]Gosh, just watch those toys flying out of the pram, good grief what a grouch. I have a job thank you very much, and guess where? Yup Eastleigh, believe me if I had any form of dementia I would not have kept my job for 47 years! I am in touch with reality and what I see of it I do not like. Do you really deny me the right to support anyone I chose, but you are right, I am totally anti Tory make no mistake about that. The best Tory is history.[/p][/quote]So your a total liar as well then! you have stated in the past that you were open to have your stance on the strikes changed but that was a total lie wasn't it? how can you be opened minded if you hate the tories & don't believe a word they say? sounds like the blind left leading the blind.No strike this week & surprise surprise no bin collection.well bring back the contractors better working more reliable & they cost less.If you like Eastleigh why don't you move there ? live under a Liberal council & have a happy non tory life ?[/p][/quote]A tease maybe but a liar, never, you just completely misunderstood everything I have posted, because you are so one way you cannot accept any other point of view, you have no grasp of irony, and by the way it is either "you are" or "you're" not your in this context. I am still open to have my views on the strikes changed, but nothing has yet convinced me to think otherwise, your own rubbish diatribes have only strengthened my resolve. As for being a liar, Contractors cost less, that is a blatant untruth and you know it. Why do I not move to Eastleigh? Well I was born in the house I live in, I have bought it through hard work, it is solid, safe and my own, why would I want to go to Eastleigh? Sadly for some unexplained reason, my Constituency is now Tory, having kicked out a decent Liberal MP we get a dodgy Tory. OSPREYSAINT
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