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Over 500 apply for bin collector jobs at Southampton City Council
12:03pm Thursday 22nd September 2011 in News
Exclusive By Matt Smith, Politics and business reporter
Over 500 apply for bin jobs at council
MORE than 500 people have applied for 16 new bin collection jobs at Southampton City Council, the Daily Echo can reveal.
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The full story is only in today's Daily Echo along with over 100 jobs.
It comes as the current team of refuse collectors are continuing to work to rule in protest at forced pay cuts of between two and 5.5 per cent.
Civic chiefs launched the recruitment drive after striking bin men refused to work with agency staff during 12 weeks of strikes that left mountains of rubbish piling up around the city last summer. Unions have threatened more strikes next month in the ongoing dispute.
Comments(71)
ChrisWilkins
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12:22pm Thu 22 Sep 11
They should sack all the Bin men, and then employ this 500 who want to work and who want a job. Not the sheep led uinion members who really havent got a clue why they are striking! (awaiting the backlash)
Lone Ranger.
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12:26pm Thu 22 Sep 11
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied.
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I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application.
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Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is.
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Can hardly wait !!
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I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application.
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Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is.
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Can hardly wait !!
Seeking the Truth
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12:28pm Thu 22 Sep 11
ChrisWilkins wrote:What a load of rubbish!!
They should sack all the Bin men, and then employ this 500 who want to work and who want a job. Not the sheep led uinion members who really havent got a clue why they are striking! (awaiting the backlash)
What grounds do you propose they sack the binmen for? refusing to do work that they are not contracted to do?
If the council could sack them they would have, as employers SCC recognise membership of a union, the union membership decided to on strike, their membership decided to go back to work, all legal, the council have no grounds to sack them, it would cost the council more in unfair dismissal claims than the strike did.
Maine Lobster
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12:36pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Seeking the Truth wrote:Just another deliberately inflammatory comment from Chris Wilkins, in the same vain as all the other Tory windup merchants. Ignore these plonkers!
ChrisWilkins wrote: They should sack all the Bin men, and then employ this 500 who want to work and who want a job. Not the sheep led uinion members who really havent got a clue why they are striking! (awaiting the backlash)What a load of rubbish!! What grounds do you propose they sack the binmen for? refusing to do work that they are not contracted to do? If the council could sack them they would have, as employers SCC recognise membership of a union, the union membership decided to on strike, their membership decided to go back to work, all legal, the council have no grounds to sack them, it would cost the council more in unfair dismissal claims than the strike did.
"InflammaTORY" - ironic isn't it!
Paramjit Bahia
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12:37pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Proves some serious issues:
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Mess created by pro-super rich policies of NuLabour has become even bigger under this ConDem Coalition of equally unfit for the purpose unprincipled political opportunists
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So many candidates for so few jobs shows the scale and frustration of genuine unemployed people, who are often described in all kinds of derogatory manners by many right wing posters on this site.
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Stupidity of the Royston led local Council, which rather than settling the problem through serious negotiations with current work force is trying to pass the work over to others, whom it is likely to start sacking after the current industrial action is over
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Considering if worked according to rules the job cannot be done, in other words current work force has been doing more than what they were actually paid for. Sadly for being so generous they have been picked upon by the Tories and have received criticism from many ‘know it all right wing Charlies’ on this site.
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Mess created by pro-super rich policies of NuLabour has become even bigger under this ConDem Coalition of equally unfit for the purpose unprincipled political opportunists
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So many candidates for so few jobs shows the scale and frustration of genuine unemployed people, who are often described in all kinds of derogatory manners by many right wing posters on this site.
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Stupidity of the Royston led local Council, which rather than settling the problem through serious negotiations with current work force is trying to pass the work over to others, whom it is likely to start sacking after the current industrial action is over
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Considering if worked according to rules the job cannot be done, in other words current work force has been doing more than what they were actually paid for. Sadly for being so generous they have been picked upon by the Tories and have received criticism from many ‘know it all right wing Charlies’ on this site.
commonsence
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12:44pm Thu 22 Sep 11
This is STUPID. Many people , men and women, working in the private sector cannot take the action to strike . WHY because of the work they do such as looking after the elderly in Nursing and Care Homes, people in Hospices and those caring for people in their own homes etc. What an outcry there would be if these needy people were left to cope without the support they need. Many in this kind of work have had no pay rises for a long time and work long hours. Yes I am one of these people so I do know what I am saying is true.
loosehead
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12:48pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:Well I'd be quite happy to do that as I've applied
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied.
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I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application.
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Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is.
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Can hardly wait !!
bigmonkeyman
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12:48pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Sack them all.If they think their better than the terms and conditions offered to them,jog on and get a better job.The council provide me with a service.If they can do it 10% cheaper all power to them.There is a reason why the bin men are not supported in their actions.They are over payed and under worked,like most public sector employees.Does that make me a tory???
Paramjit Bahia
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12:51pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:I have the feeling you will be waiting for ever and ever till the end of your life
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied. . I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application. . Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is. . Can hardly wait !!
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Right wingers anti union Tory lager louts are only good at throwing insults at hard workers, who are over worked and under paid but never appreciated. These champaign sipping Charlies are not likely to offer themselves for proper day’s hard work.
loosehead
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12:57pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Seeking the Truth wrote:I might be wrong but until all the court cases have been heard the council can't sack anyone as the unions are contesting the legality of the councils action & that was the reason for the strikes/industrial action.if the council are found to have acted within the law then all action taken by the workers will be deemed to be illegal & they can all be sacked.Surely Lone Ranger & the rest of the Loony Left who post on here Know that's the reason behind the court action.It's to extend the industrial action & if they didn't fight it then they would be admitting the council acted legally & these strikes work to rule go slow were actually illegal actions encouraged by the unions after they had written to the local Labour party promising to oust the Tory council & to work towards a labour council & if that's not political I'd like to know what is.If I get the job I won't strike & I will do my round as quick as possible
ChrisWilkins wrote:What a load of rubbish!!
They should sack all the Bin men, and then employ this 500 who want to work and who want a job. Not the sheep led uinion members who really havent got a clue why they are striking! (awaiting the backlash)
What grounds do you propose they sack the binmen for? refusing to do work that they are not contracted to do?
If the council could sack them they would have, as employers SCC recognise membership of a union, the union membership decided to on strike, their membership decided to go back to work, all legal, the council have no grounds to sack them, it would cost the council more in unfair dismissal claims than the strike did.
MBHants
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1:01pm Thu 22 Sep 11
I see a lot of "la la la not listening to you" type posts on this forum from people suggesting that anyone who disagrees with their worldview is a right wing propaganda tool.
As a city (and country) we are in a mess. We all have an opinion on whose fault it was, but c'mon try and work together, maybe even listen to each other and hear what each side is saying, not just what your preconceived idea of what you think is being said.
If the participants of the echo forum were running the show then even less would get done as I don't think the word 'compromise' is in most of your vocabularies.
P.s. Good on the 500 applicants, even knowing the reduced wages they'd rather work these jobs than rely on support.
As a city (and country) we are in a mess. We all have an opinion on whose fault it was, but c'mon try and work together, maybe even listen to each other and hear what each side is saying, not just what your preconceived idea of what you think is being said.
If the participants of the echo forum were running the show then even less would get done as I don't think the word 'compromise' is in most of your vocabularies.
P.s. Good on the 500 applicants, even knowing the reduced wages they'd rather work these jobs than rely on support.
rich the stitch
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1:04pm Thu 22 Sep 11
At least the new bin men will value their new job. The current ones are overpaid for what is an easy manual labour job.
Shoong
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1:33pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Paramjit Bahia wrote:'Right wingers anti union Tory lager louts'.
Lone Ranger. wrote:I have the feeling you will be waiting for ever and ever till the end of your life
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied. . I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application. . Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is. . Can hardly wait !!
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Right wingers anti union Tory lager louts are only good at throwing insults at hard workers, who are over worked and under paid but never appreciated. These champaign sipping Charlies are not likely to offer themselves for proper day’s hard work.
That's superb, I've read some stuff on hear but that is quite possibly the funniest ever, keep it up!
Here, There
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1:35pm Thu 22 Sep 11
When I left school in '86 my careers officer highlighted the stupidty of those that mocked binmen, sunny afternoons spent with their family, above average wage, pensions etc....
No surprise in the current climate it is a sought after postion.
No surprise in the current climate it is a sought after postion.
Lone Ranger.
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1:43pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Shoong wrote:If you think thats funny you obviously hevent read your own.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:'Right wingers anti union Tory lager louts'.
Lone Ranger. wrote:I have the feeling you will be waiting for ever and ever till the end of your life
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied. . I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application. . Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is. . Can hardly wait !!
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Right wingers anti union Tory lager louts are only good at throwing insults at hard workers, who are over worked and under paid but never appreciated. These champaign sipping Charlies are not likely to offer themselves for proper day’s hard work.
That's superb, I've read some stuff on hear but that is quite possibly the funniest ever, keep it up!
Lone Ranger.
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1:44pm Thu 22 Sep 11
loosehead wrote:Good luck .... i really hope that you are successful
Lone Ranger. wrote:Well I'd be quite happy to do that as I've applied
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied.
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I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application.
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Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is.
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Can hardly wait !!
Maine Lobster
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1:55pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:If he is, I'm sure his views will be popular with his work colleagues!!
loosehead wrote:Good luck .... i really hope that you are successfulLone Ranger. wrote: I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied. . I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application. . Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is. . Can hardly wait !!Well I'd be quite happy to do that as I've applied
kevin007
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1:56pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Exuse the pun but some of the rubbish people write on here is total rubbish ! ! I hope that the people they employ are from Southampton out of work want to work and not from the eastern block ! ! now that would annoy me and many other people.
alan.of.eastleigh
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2:12pm Thu 22 Sep 11
commonsence wrote:I agree with what you say but not why you say it. Are you saying that public sector workers are entitled to strike and you are sorry you can't join them or are you suggesting they follow your (honourable) lead?
This is STUPID. Many people , men and women, working in the private sector cannot take the action to strike . WHY because of the work they do such as looking after the elderly in Nursing and Care Homes, people in Hospices and those caring for people in their own homes etc. What an outcry there would be if these needy people were left to cope without the support they need. Many in this kind of work have had no pay rises for a long time and work long hours. Yes I am one of these people so I do know what I am saying is true.
Shoong
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2:18pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:Considering this dark place does not harbour any kind of sense of humour, trying to make people laugh would be a wasted effort. Do they pay by the hour to be pompous nowadays? Thought I'd have one last try.
Shoong wrote:If you think thats funny you obviously hevent read your own.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:'Right wingers anti union Tory lager louts'.
Lone Ranger. wrote:I have the feeling you will be waiting for ever and ever till the end of your life
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied. . I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application. . Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is. . Can hardly wait !!
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Right wingers anti union Tory lager louts are only good at throwing insults at hard workers, who are over worked and under paid but never appreciated. These champaign sipping Charlies are not likely to offer themselves for proper day’s hard work.
That's superb, I've read some stuff on hear but that is quite possibly the funniest ever, keep it up!
Good luck to those who have applied for these positions, it's good to see so many applications & perhaps they'll think twice before ticking the Union box . I don't drink lager but prefer cider & I pay for that kind of thing with the money I've earned being in constant employment since I was 16.
alan.of.eastleigh
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2:18pm Thu 22 Sep 11
bigmonkeyman wrote:Who says the bin men are not supported in the action. The whole point of the debate is that the views are divided. On the one hand no one wants to see rubbish accumulating but on the other hand, why should people take a pay cut because the Council cannot manage the budget gap? Arguably it is the Government that has caused this budget gap in the first place but local councils have a choice where to make cuts and cross the board wage cuts are not the answer. They are felt more by the lower earners than the managers who make (recommend) the decisions
Sack them all.If they think their better than the terms and conditions offered to them,jog on and get a better job.The council provide me with a service.If they can do it 10% cheaper all power to them.There is a reason why the bin men are not supported in their actions.They are over payed and under worked,like most public sector employees.Does that make me a tory???
The Wickham Man
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2:43pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Paramjit Bahia wrote:I love the way you accuse tories of only being good at throwing insults, then the remainder of your post falls apart and degenerates into one long meaningless alcohol related insult! I'd like to think you were displaying droll wit but having read so many of your posts I know it was down to a basic lack of intelligence.
Lone Ranger. wrote:I have the feeling you will be waiting for ever and ever till the end of your life
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied. . I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application. . Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is. . Can hardly wait !!
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Right wingers anti union Tory lager louts are only good at throwing insults at hard workers, who are over worked and under paid but never appreciated. These champaign sipping Charlies are not likely to offer themselves for proper day’s hard work.
rich the stitch
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2:56pm Thu 22 Sep 11
alan.of.eastleigh wrote:"across the board wage cuts are not the answer."
bigmonkeyman wrote: Sack them all.If they think their better than the terms and conditions offered to them,jog on and get a better job.The council provide me with a service.If they can do it 10% cheaper all power to them.There is a reason why the bin men are not supported in their actions.They are over payed and under worked,like most public sector employees.Does that make me a tory???Who says the bin men are not supported in the action. The whole point of the debate is that the views are divided. On the one hand no one wants to see rubbish accumulating but on the other hand, why should people take a pay cut because the Council cannot manage the budget gap? Arguably it is the Government that has caused this budget gap in the first place but local councils have a choice where to make cuts and cross the board wage cuts are not the answer. They are felt more by the lower earners than the managers who make (recommend) the decisions
As money needs to be saved the choice is either take the cuts in wages (something the private sector have been doing for a number of years now) or reduce the staff. Work for less money, or don't work at all. I know which I'd take.
Rockhopper
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3:06pm Thu 22 Sep 11
kevin007 wrote:I run a business and employ what you describe as 'Eastern Block' workers.
Exuse the pun but some of the rubbish people write on here is total rubbish ! ! I hope that the people they employ are from Southampton out of work want to work and not from the eastern block ! ! now that would annoy me and many other people.
I have interviewed and employed several 'English' workers but they seem to think that tasks like cleaning and food service work is beneath them.
This differs from the attitude of the two Polish employees I have who appreciate the job and take pride in their work.
In fact one English woman I employed resigned after 4 weeks saying she only took the job to satisfy the Job Centre benefit conditions!
Having spoken to other employers in Southampton I am not alone.
The Council should employ whoever is best for the refuse collectors jobs whether they are from England, Eastern Block or anywhere else.
bigmonkeyman
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3:17pm Thu 22 Sep 11
The problem is,these positions have been over payed and over manned for years.These are cold hard facts that need to be addressed.The money is not there to continue paying,what they have been payed by the last government .Its only goona one of 2 ways,bigger redundancys or reductions in pay.This is simple buisness.It happens in the private world,why it should not happen in the public is beyond those stiking,who i believe feel that they are owed a living by the government.
Stillness
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3:41pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Paramjit Bahia wrote:We should all thank Paramjit for his efforts to keep us all laughing through these troubled times. If we all had a sense of humor like his the world would be a far better place.
Lone Ranger. wrote:I have the feeling you will be waiting for ever and ever till the end of your life
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied. . I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application. . Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is. . Can hardly wait !!
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Right wingers anti union Tory lager louts are only good at throwing insults at hard workers, who are over worked and under paid but never appreciated. These champaign sipping Charlies are not likely to offer themselves for proper day’s hard work.
THEKILLER
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4:12pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Can the bin-men please go on strike again as I had a better service when they were not working !!!!
Some of those nice private contractors can come and collect my rubbish again
Some of those nice private contractors can come and collect my rubbish again
tracker
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4:24pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:My partner has applied and he's going to be rather downhearted when he sees today's paper!
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied.
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I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application.
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Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is.
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Can hardly wait !!
Still hopefully he'll be successful - I will let you know!!
S/W - that-sure (hope so)
Linesman
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4:30pm Thu 22 Sep 11
I wonder how many that criticise the bin men for being on strike, were also ones that criticised Oxlade-Chamberlain for not sticking to his contract.
The bin men had a contract with Southampton City Council that had been negotiated between the Council and the Unions.
It is not the Unions that have broken the contract. In fact, they have made clear that they would stick to it.
It is the Council that have broken the contract, and it is they that will have to pick up the pieces, and they could be very expensive pieces if it ends up in court.
The bin men had a contract with Southampton City Council that had been negotiated between the Council and the Unions.
It is not the Unions that have broken the contract. In fact, they have made clear that they would stick to it.
It is the Council that have broken the contract, and it is they that will have to pick up the pieces, and they could be very expensive pieces if it ends up in court.
Mr Price
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4:31pm Thu 22 Sep 11
If The S/C/C can employ contract workers,agency workers and 16 new employees .......maybe they can afford not to make the 5.5% pay cuts and let the Bin Men do there jobs and get back to work.
Seeking the Truth
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4:31pm Thu 22 Sep 11
loosehead wrote:I think you will find that strike action before the 12 weeks deadline is legal any strike action after that is illegal.
Seeking the Truth wrote:I might be wrong but until all the court cases have been heard the council can't sack anyone as the unions are contesting the legality of the councils action & that was the reason for the strikes/industrial action.if the council are found to have acted within the law then all action taken by the workers will be deemed to be illegal & they can all be sacked.Surely Lone Ranger & the rest of the Loony Left who post on here Know that's the reason behind the court action.It's to extend the industrial action & if they didn't fight it then they would be admitting the council acted legally & these strikes work to rule go slow were actually illegal actions encouraged by the unions after they had written to the local Labour party promising to oust the Tory council & to work towards a labour council & if that's not political I'd like to know what is.If I get the job I won't strike & I will do my round as quick as possible
ChrisWilkins wrote:What a load of rubbish!!
They should sack all the Bin men, and then employ this 500 who want to work and who want a job. Not the sheep led uinion members who really havent got a clue why they are striking! (awaiting the backlash)
What grounds do you propose they sack the binmen for? refusing to do work that they are not contracted to do?
If the council could sack them they would have, as employers SCC recognise membership of a union, the union membership decided to on strike, their membership decided to go back to work, all legal, the council have no grounds to sack them, it would cost the council more in unfair dismissal claims than the strike did.
The legal challenge is questioning the legality of the councils actions not the unions members right to strike.
Fair play to you for applying for one of the vacancies and good luck to you Loosehead, finally someone who puts his money where his mouth is.
Lone Ranger.
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4:52pm Thu 22 Sep 11
tracker wrote:Good luck to your partner... i hope that they are successful.
Lone Ranger. wrote:My partner has applied and he's going to be rather downhearted when he sees today's paper!
I hope that all of the posters on here that wanted a bin mans job when they were all on strike have now applied.
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I also hope that they come back to the forum to let us know how successful that they have been with their application.
.
Then when they get the job let us know how easy it is.
.
Can hardly wait !!
Still hopefully he'll be successful - I will let you know!!
S/W - that-sure (hope so)
The Wickham Man
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5:01pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Linesman wrote:Nope - that simply illustrates the mad world of pointless public sector unionised demarcation in which you seem to have lived all your life. In a sensible world it would be easy to dispose of garbage, but thanks to the unions every possible tiny little nuance has to be predicted or preempted and turned into a vast document of petty specifications. You may think it good that a contract has to be drawn up stating that the rim of the bin lid must be touching the bin body on all sides or it is officially more than one binful, or that a bin not within x feet of the curbside has not officially been put out for collection but the rest of us think it is stupid childish nonsense.
I wonder how many that criticise the bin men for being on strike, were also ones that criticised Oxlade-Chamberlain for not sticking to his contract.
The bin men had a contract with Southampton City Council that had been negotiated between the Council and the Unions.
It is not the Unions that have broken the contract. In fact, they have made clear that they would stick to it.
It is the Council that have broken the contract, and it is they that will have to pick up the pieces, and they could be very expensive pieces if it ends up in court.
Linesman
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5:14pm Thu 22 Sep 11
The Wickham Man wrote:So you think that it is all the fault of the bin men and the City Council are as innocent as new-born lambs?
Linesman wrote:Nope - that simply illustrates the mad world of pointless public sector unionised demarcation in which you seem to have lived all your life. In a sensible world it would be easy to dispose of garbage, but thanks to the unions every possible tiny little nuance has to be predicted or preempted and turned into a vast document of petty specifications. You may think it good that a contract has to be drawn up stating that the rim of the bin lid must be touching the bin body on all sides or it is officially more than one binful, or that a bin not within x feet of the curbside has not officially been put out for collection but the rest of us think it is stupid childish nonsense.
I wonder how many that criticise the bin men for being on strike, were also ones that criticised Oxlade-Chamberlain for not sticking to his contract.
The bin men had a contract with Southampton City Council that had been negotiated between the Council and the Unions.
It is not the Unions that have broken the contract. In fact, they have made clear that they would stick to it.
It is the Council that have broken the contract, and it is they that will have to pick up the pieces, and they could be very expensive pieces if it ends up in court.
It takes two sides to make a contract, but only one to break it, and it is not the bin men that have demanded that their pay be cut.
That is the cause of the trouble.
afka_bill
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5:56pm Thu 22 Sep 11
THEKILLER wrote:true point, since they are working again my bins still haven't been emptied, yet when i pointed out all this to them and the refuse office all i got was a load of BS even though health and safety have told them that it a fire risk/ environmental risk and health risk they dont care. its also blocking an entranceway for a disabled user. its only with the thanks to the housing association that we had a collection back in july. exactly 2 months ago to the day, and that sub-contractor even swept the communal area leaving it a better state than those that are working at the moment so i say sack them all and employ the 500 who want the job and seem willing to do the work and want the job.
Can the bin-men please go on strike again as I had a better service when they were not working !!!!
Some of those nice private contractors can come and collect my rubbish again
go ahead punk make my day
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7:24pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Look forward to working with you Loosehead,i bet a penny to a pound the majority of the new recruits will be in our union, then the comments will be interesting just remember if your on my round to keep up!
OSPREYSAINT
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7:57pm Thu 22 Sep 11
THEKILLER wrote:This is true but the ones that came around my area were Eastern Bloc, didn't speak a word of English between them, "thank you" was alien to them! The driver was Scottish and sadly I couldn't understand a word he said either, but never mind they did a good job.
Can the bin-men please go on strike again as I had a better service when they were not working !!!!
Some of those nice private contractors can come and collect my rubbish again
loosehead
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9:18pm Thu 22 Sep 11
go ahead punk make my day wrote:go ahead if you've read the other posts unless you all think the same & do the same you can't work together.I will talk & have a discussion with anyone no matter what their point of view or politics & I think it's great we have the intelligence to be able to agree & disagree.now you say most of the new people will be joining or in your union? so what they sign up for work & go on strike sorry I think your way off.I will not join a union as I've lost more than one job through a corrupt shop steward who only looked after number one.as I've told you in the past I've done 1,600 leaflets in a day & that's running up & down at least 20 staircases so I'd quite happily prove to you I can do it.But how will you know it's me? doesn't it shock you that 500 people want this terribly hard job with such low pay? If I was you I'd seriously consider halting this action who know's maybe this will be the push the council has been waiting for & maybe all 500 will get a job & all of todays binmen could be dole queue residents? I hope it doesn't come to that but you never know so start thinking for yourself not the office social workers who've been on here calling for half of you to go to save them having a pay cut
Look forward to working with you Loosehead,i bet a penny to a pound the majority of the new recruits will be in our union, then the comments will be interesting just remember if your on my round to keep up!
loosehead
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9:21pm Thu 22 Sep 11
Mr Price wrote:Mr.Price did you not read the article? the Bin Men are refusing to work with Temps/Contractors so the Council are looking to employ 16 permanent staff to replace them
If The S/C/C can employ contract workers,agency workers and 16 new employees .......maybe they can afford not to make the 5.5% pay cuts and let the Bin Men do there jobs and get back to work.
mayfly
says...
10:20pm Thu 22 Sep 11
loosehead wrote:I have entered this forum quite late in the proceedings so sorry if this is an old question:
Mr Price wrote: If The S/C/C can employ contract workers,agency workers and 16 new employees .......maybe they can afford not to make the 5.5% pay cuts and let the Bin Men do there jobs and get back to work.Mr.Price did you not read the article? the Bin Men are refusing to work with Temps/Contractors so the Council are looking to employ 16 permanent staff to replace them
Can anybody provide me with a typical salary figure for the job under discussion?
Surely in order to state that the position has been overpaid for years (as has been said by one subscriber) needs to be qualified.
Has anybody heard that the salaries of City Council members will also be reduced in keeping with the drive to cut costs?
OSPREYSAINT
says...
10:38pm Thu 22 Sep 11
I notice that the NHS are going for the Royston style of management with their employers, i.e. sign an agreement to take a pay cut and worse conditions or get the sack, and this aimed at Nurses e.t.c. it is really a rotten Tory world we are getting in to. Why are they doing it, well mostly down to some serious management **** ups which has wasted millions of pounds, and of course it isn't the management that will suffer, just the lower payed and the vulnerable that will find it difficult to defend themselves.
leagueleaders
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12:22am Fri 23 Sep 11
commonsence wrote:Commonsence your comments do demonstrate how much you know about this.
This is STUPID. Many people , men and women, working in the private sector cannot take the action to strike . WHY because of the work they do such as looking after the elderly in Nursing and Care Homes, people in Hospices and those caring for people in their own homes etc. What an outcry there would be if these needy people were left to cope without the support they need. Many in this kind of work have had no pay rises for a long time and work long hours. Yes I am one of these people so I do know what I am saying is true.
To clarify, anyone in a union can take strike action providing there is a legitimate dispute (i.e. being dismissed in breach of your contract).
There are plenty of employees like yourself who work tirelessly caring for people and they deserve to be able to fight for their rights if they need to.
Had the majority of private sector workers joined a union, they would have been able to put up a bigger stand when their pay, terms, conditions and pensions etc were changed by the employers. This is no reason why those people who do care enough about their jobs etc cannot take action or should be ridiculed for having the guts to do something about it.
There are hundreds of thousands of union members who like you are carers or in the emergency services and have people who's lives depend on the extremely hard and respectable work they do. Don't be fooled, they will take action where and when necessary (look out for the 30th Nov) but I am sure that it will not put anyone's lives at risk.
To state that staff in your profession cannot strike is nonsense and by no means true, as you state.
Unlike you I am not in the medical or caring profession but I would suggest that you get yourself checked over because there appears to be a lot of stuff coming from your mouth that probably should be coming from a different part of your body.
andysaints007
says...
1:50am Fri 23 Sep 11
'Hard workers' !! pmsl - Its you thats making us laugh pal !! Tell you what to see how hard some of these council 'workers' really 'work' - arrange to have a drop kerb put in or some posts put into the ground! I never thought 3 blokes could have refined the art of turning 2man days work into a 6 day job !! Still at least they are keeping the tea industry in work judging by the amount of breaks they had!!
Its about time some people on here actually realised THERES NO MORE MONEY TO GO ROUND !!!!!
Its about time some people on here actually realised THERES NO MORE MONEY TO GO ROUND !!!!!
andysaints007
says...
1:51am Fri 23 Sep 11
'Hard workers' !! pmsl - Its you thats making us laugh pal !! Tell you what to see how hard some of these council 'workers' really 'work' - arrange to have a drop kerb put in or some posts put into the ground! I never thought 3 blokes could have refined the art of turning 2man days work into a 6 day job !! Still at least they are keeping the tea industry in work judging by the amount of breaks they had!!
Its about time some people on here actually realised THERES NO MORE MONEY TO GO ROUND !!!!!
Its about time some people on here actually realised THERES NO MORE MONEY TO GO ROUND !!!!!
loosehead
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6:38am Fri 23 Sep 11
mayfly wrote:It's quoted in the recruitment section as £15,000-£20,000
loosehead wrote:I have entered this forum quite late in the proceedings so sorry if this is an old question:
Mr Price wrote: If The S/C/C can employ contract workers,agency workers and 16 new employees .......maybe they can afford not to make the 5.5% pay cuts and let the Bin Men do there jobs and get back to work.Mr.Price did you not read the article? the Bin Men are refusing to work with Temps/Contractors so the Council are looking to employ 16 permanent staff to replace them
Can anybody provide me with a typical salary figure for the job under discussion?
Surely in order to state that the position has been overpaid for years (as has been said by one subscriber) needs to be qualified.
Has anybody heard that the salaries of City Council members will also be reduced in keeping with the drive to cut costs?
loosehead
says...
6:49am Fri 23 Sep 11
leagueleaders wrote:Right I think people like you should wake up to reality. have you not been listening to the news lately? many hospitals are in financial trouble & why? is it down to cuts in funding? No they're getting more now than under Labour. Is is an initiative to build privately funded hospitals at a high repayment rate? Yes Tony Blair & his government wanted to be seen as the defenders of the NHS so went on a privately funded hospital building program which those hospitals are now paying back a fifth of there income to these companies.If you look at Southampton General & it's expansion programs you can see where it's money is spent.I do believe that management should look at the cuts from the top down & not start at the bottom/front line services(nurses). Are the management taking a 5.5% pay cut as those Tories at Southampton council did? Your last piece of advice seems a good idea for you as your anti tory rhetoric seems to be misplaced & isn't this about applicants to 16 jobs?Not the hospital?
commonsence wrote:Commonsence your comments do demonstrate how much you know about this.
This is STUPID. Many people , men and women, working in the private sector cannot take the action to strike . WHY because of the work they do such as looking after the elderly in Nursing and Care Homes, people in Hospices and those caring for people in their own homes etc. What an outcry there would be if these needy people were left to cope without the support they need. Many in this kind of work have had no pay rises for a long time and work long hours. Yes I am one of these people so I do know what I am saying is true.
To clarify, anyone in a union can take strike action providing there is a legitimate dispute (i.e. being dismissed in breach of your contract).
There are plenty of employees like yourself who work tirelessly caring for people and they deserve to be able to fight for their rights if they need to.
Had the majority of private sector workers joined a union, they would have been able to put up a bigger stand when their pay, terms, conditions and pensions etc were changed by the employers. This is no reason why those people who do care enough about their jobs etc cannot take action or should be ridiculed for having the guts to do something about it.
There are hundreds of thousands of union members who like you are carers or in the emergency services and have people who's lives depend on the extremely hard and respectable work they do. Don't be fooled, they will take action where and when necessary (look out for the 30th Nov) but I am sure that it will not put anyone's lives at risk.
To state that staff in your profession cannot strike is nonsense and by no means true, as you state.
Unlike you I am not in the medical or caring profession but I would suggest that you get yourself checked over because there appears to be a lot of stuff coming from your mouth that probably should be coming from a different part of your body.
loosehead
says...
7:01am Fri 23 Sep 11
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Osprey I'm a firm believer in management overmanning I saw it at BAT (3-1 they out numbered us at the end) But as I've just quoted how much is this short fall down to the building work ? are any of their buildings funded by private companies? I lived in Tremona rd & let me give you an insight into the hospitals managements thinking,they wanted to extend their car park in Laundry Rd & a house was up for sale at £195,000 so how much do you think they offered? £185,000? no they offered £250,000 now I know they did this with more than one property & this was at a time when they were cutting nursing levels & under a Labour Government/council so this style of management & cut backs has been an ongoing thing & nothing to do with either the Government or the council it's a management with pipe dreams aspirations who embark on a new enterprise & then have to find the funds with job losses.please don't put all the woes of the world down to the tories it's been happening before them
I notice that the NHS are going for the Royston style of management with their employers, i.e. sign an agreement to take a pay cut and worse conditions or get the sack, and this aimed at Nurses e.t.c. it is really a rotten Tory world we are getting in to. Why are they doing it, well mostly down to some serious management **** ups which has wasted millions of pounds, and of course it isn't the management that will suffer, just the lower payed and the vulnerable that will find it difficult to defend themselves.
james47
says...
9:36am Fri 23 Sep 11
mayfly wrote:Hello Mayfly..
loosehead wrote:I have entered this forum quite late in the proceedings so sorry if this is an old question:
Mr Price wrote: If The S/C/C can employ contract workers,agency workers and 16 new employees .......maybe they can afford not to make the 5.5% pay cuts and let the Bin Men do there jobs and get back to work.Mr.Price did you not read the article? the Bin Men are refusing to work with Temps/Contractors so the Council are looking to employ 16 permanent staff to replace them
Can anybody provide me with a typical salary figure for the job under discussion?
Surely in order to state that the position has been overpaid for years (as has been said by one subscriber) needs to be qualified.
Has anybody heard that the salaries of City Council members will also be reduced in keeping with the drive to cut costs?
The majority of bin men make between £15k-£20k. However with overtime etc they can make significantly more. A few are on just under £30k. (freedom of information act)
In the private sector they would be hard pressed to get more then £17k year-I will let others debate if the binmen are overpaid or not. I think they (and the public sector) should be happy to have a job in this current economic climate.
The Conservative City councillors have taken a voluntary 5.5% pay cut. I am not aware of what the other parties are doing....
leagueleaders
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11:02am Fri 23 Sep 11
loosehead wrote:Hold on, did I mention anything about the state of the NHS or who is to blammouth.
leagueleaders wrote:Right I think people like you should wake up to reality. have you not been listening to the news lately? many hospitals are in financial trouble & why? is it down to cuts in funding? No they're getting more now than under Labour. Is is an initiative to build privately funded hospitals at a high repayment rate? Yes Tony Blair & his government wanted to be seen as the defenders of the NHS so went on a privately funded hospital building program which those hospitals are now paying back a fifth of there income to these companies.If you look at Southampton General & it's expansion programs you can see where it's money is spent.I do believe that management should look at the cuts from the top down & not start at the bottom/front line services(nurses). Are the management taking a 5.5% pay cut as those Tories at Southampton council did? Your last piece of advice seems a good idea for you as your anti tory rhetoric seems to be misplaced & isn't this about applicants to 16 jobs?Not the hospital?
commonsence wrote:Commonsence your comments do demonstrate how much you know about this.
This is STUPID. Many people , men and women, working in the private sector cannot take the action to strike . WHY because of the work they do such as looking after the elderly in Nursing and Care Homes, people in Hospices and those caring for people in their own homes etc. What an outcry there would be if these needy people were left to cope without the support they need. Many in this kind of work have had no pay rises for a long time and work long hours. Yes I am one of these people so I do know what I am saying is true.
To clarify, anyone in a union can take strike action providing there is a legitimate dispute (i.e. being dismissed in breach of your contract).
There are plenty of employees like yourself who work tirelessly caring for people and they deserve to be able to fight for their rights if they need to.
Had the majority of private sector workers joined a union, they would have been able to put up a bigger stand when their pay, terms, conditions and pensions etc were changed by the employers. This is no reason why those people who do care enough about their jobs etc cannot take action or should be ridiculed for having the guts to do something about it.
There are hundreds of thousands of union members who like you are carers or in the emergency services and have people who's lives depend on the extremely hard and respectable work they do. Don't be fooled, they will take action where and when necessary (look out for the 30th Nov) but I am sure that it will not put anyone's lives at risk.
To state that staff in your profession cannot strike is nonsense and by no means true, as you state.
Unlike you I am not in the medical or caring profession but I would suggest that you get yourself checked over because there appears to be a lot of stuff coming from your mouth that probably should be coming from a different part of your body.
Where were my anti Tory comments?
Not in there!
My comments were in response to the remarks made about people who can and can't take industrial action.
Before I follow your recommendation about following my own advice, please do not put words in my mouth.
leagueleaders
says...
11:24am Fri 23 Sep 11
leagueleaders wrote:Sorry! I was trying to post my comments from my phone and have no idea where 'blammouth' came from, it should have read 'blame'!
loosehead wrote:Hold on, did I mention anything about the state of the NHS or who is to blammouth.
leagueleaders wrote:Right I think people like you should wake up to reality. have you not been listening to the news lately? many hospitals are in financial trouble & why? is it down to cuts in funding? No they're getting more now than under Labour. Is is an initiative to build privately funded hospitals at a high repayment rate? Yes Tony Blair & his government wanted to be seen as the defenders of the NHS so went on a privately funded hospital building program which those hospitals are now paying back a fifth of there income to these companies.If you look at Southampton General & it's expansion programs you can see where it's money is spent.I do believe that management should look at the cuts from the top down & not start at the bottom/front line services(nurses). Are the management taking a 5.5% pay cut as those Tories at Southampton council did? Your last piece of advice seems a good idea for you as your anti tory rhetoric seems to be misplaced & isn't this about applicants to 16 jobs?Not the hospital?
commonsence wrote:Commonsence your comments do demonstrate how much you know about this.
This is STUPID. Many people , men and women, working in the private sector cannot take the action to strike . WHY because of the work they do such as looking after the elderly in Nursing and Care Homes, people in Hospices and those caring for people in their own homes etc. What an outcry there would be if these needy people were left to cope without the support they need. Many in this kind of work have had no pay rises for a long time and work long hours. Yes I am one of these people so I do know what I am saying is true.
To clarify, anyone in a union can take strike action providing there is a legitimate dispute (i.e. being dismissed in breach of your contract).
There are plenty of employees like yourself who work tirelessly caring for people and they deserve to be able to fight for their rights if they need to.
Had the majority of private sector workers joined a union, they would have been able to put up a bigger stand when their pay, terms, conditions and pensions etc were changed by the employers. This is no reason why those people who do care enough about their jobs etc cannot take action or should be ridiculed for having the guts to do something about it.
There are hundreds of thousands of union members who like you are carers or in the emergency services and have people who's lives depend on the extremely hard and respectable work they do. Don't be fooled, they will take action where and when necessary (look out for the 30th Nov) but I am sure that it will not put anyone's lives at risk.
To state that staff in your profession cannot strike is nonsense and by no means true, as you state.
Unlike you I am not in the medical or caring profession but I would suggest that you get yourself checked over because there appears to be a lot of stuff coming from your mouth that probably should be coming from a different part of your body.
Where were my anti Tory comments?
Not in there!
My comments were in response to the remarks made about people who can and can't take industrial action.
Before I follow your recommendation about following my own advice, please do not put words in my mouth.
loosehead
says...
11:54am Fri 23 Sep 11
leagueleaders wrote:Mate I was stopped in town by several friends who I hadn't seen for a while,they were taken on by a company who employs them supposedly permanent but then gets rid of them after 10 months only to wait for January to offer to employ them on a permanent basis after this happening twice ( given the benefit of doubt) they are desperate for work & can't believe the council workers as they said these people are on at least ( Bin Men) £17,500 with tax credit far more most on that pay are getting a pay rise & no cut & the council offered to raise the limit to over £22,000 so sack them is what they believe,I asked them if they had applied for the bin mans job & they looked shocked didn't know about it & were running to the council offices to see if they could apply.I'm sorry if my post offended you but you weren't worried about that in your original post were you? I usually try to reply to several posts in my replies & that's why the NHS was in there.I agree with you every one has the right to strike but not every one can be so easily lead into a political strike like the council workers have been lead into, if only they read the letters from the unions to the local Labour party I wonder if they would have been so easily duped?
leagueleaders wrote:Sorry! I was trying to post my comments from my phone and have no idea where 'blammouth' came from, it should have read 'blame'!
loosehead wrote:Hold on, did I mention anything about the state of the NHS or who is to blammouth.
leagueleaders wrote:Right I think people like you should wake up to reality. have you not been listening to the news lately? many hospitals are in financial trouble & why? is it down to cuts in funding? No they're getting more now than under Labour. Is is an initiative to build privately funded hospitals at a high repayment rate? Yes Tony Blair & his government wanted to be seen as the defenders of the NHS so went on a privately funded hospital building program which those hospitals are now paying back a fifth of there income to these companies.If you look at Southampton General & it's expansion programs you can see where it's money is spent.I do believe that management should look at the cuts from the top down & not start at the bottom/front line services(nurses). Are the management taking a 5.5% pay cut as those Tories at Southampton council did? Your last piece of advice seems a good idea for you as your anti tory rhetoric seems to be misplaced & isn't this about applicants to 16 jobs?Not the hospital?
commonsence wrote:Commonsence your comments do demonstrate how much you know about this.
This is STUPID. Many people , men and women, working in the private sector cannot take the action to strike . WHY because of the work they do such as looking after the elderly in Nursing and Care Homes, people in Hospices and those caring for people in their own homes etc. What an outcry there would be if these needy people were left to cope without the support they need. Many in this kind of work have had no pay rises for a long time and work long hours. Yes I am one of these people so I do know what I am saying is true.
To clarify, anyone in a union can take strike action providing there is a legitimate dispute (i.e. being dismissed in breach of your contract).
There are plenty of employees like yourself who work tirelessly caring for people and they deserve to be able to fight for their rights if they need to.
Had the majority of private sector workers joined a union, they would have been able to put up a bigger stand when their pay, terms, conditions and pensions etc were changed by the employers. This is no reason why those people who do care enough about their jobs etc cannot take action or should be ridiculed for having the guts to do something about it.
There are hundreds of thousands of union members who like you are carers or in the emergency services and have people who's lives depend on the extremely hard and respectable work they do. Don't be fooled, they will take action where and when necessary (look out for the 30th Nov) but I am sure that it will not put anyone's lives at risk.
To state that staff in your profession cannot strike is nonsense and by no means true, as you state.
Unlike you I am not in the medical or caring profession but I would suggest that you get yourself checked over because there appears to be a lot of stuff coming from your mouth that probably should be coming from a different part of your body.
Where were my anti Tory comments?
Not in there!
My comments were in response to the remarks made about people who can and can't take industrial action.
Before I follow your recommendation about following my own advice, please do not put words in my mouth.
loosehead
says...
12:09pm Fri 23 Sep 11
james47 wrote:Surely if the Labour councillors had done the same the lefties on here would have been shouting about it
mayfly wrote:Hello Mayfly..
loosehead wrote:I have entered this forum quite late in the proceedings so sorry if this is an old question:
Mr Price wrote: If The S/C/C can employ contract workers,agency workers and 16 new employees .......maybe they can afford not to make the 5.5% pay cuts and let the Bin Men do there jobs and get back to work.Mr.Price did you not read the article? the Bin Men are refusing to work with Temps/Contractors so the Council are looking to employ 16 permanent staff to replace them
Can anybody provide me with a typical salary figure for the job under discussion?
Surely in order to state that the position has been overpaid for years (as has been said by one subscriber) needs to be qualified.
Has anybody heard that the salaries of City Council members will also be reduced in keeping with the drive to cut costs?
The majority of bin men make between £15k-£20k. However with overtime etc they can make significantly more. A few are on just under £30k. (freedom of information act)
In the private sector they would be hard pressed to get more then £17k year-I will let others debate if the binmen are overpaid or not. I think they (and the public sector) should be happy to have a job in this current economic climate.
The Conservative City councillors have taken a voluntary 5.5% pay cut. I am not aware of what the other parties are doing....
Lone Ranger.
says...
2:00pm Fri 23 Sep 11
loosehead wrote:I think that you will find its you doing all the shouting
james47 wrote:Surely if the Labour councillors had done the same the lefties on here would have been shouting about it
mayfly wrote:Hello Mayfly..
loosehead wrote:I have entered this forum quite late in the proceedings so sorry if this is an old question:
Mr Price wrote: If The S/C/C can employ contract workers,agency workers and 16 new employees .......maybe they can afford not to make the 5.5% pay cuts and let the Bin Men do there jobs and get back to work.Mr.Price did you not read the article? the Bin Men are refusing to work with Temps/Contractors so the Council are looking to employ 16 permanent staff to replace them
Can anybody provide me with a typical salary figure for the job under discussion?
Surely in order to state that the position has been overpaid for years (as has been said by one subscriber) needs to be qualified.
Has anybody heard that the salaries of City Council members will also be reduced in keeping with the drive to cut costs?
The majority of bin men make between £15k-£20k. However with overtime etc they can make significantly more. A few are on just under £30k. (freedom of information act)
In the private sector they would be hard pressed to get more then £17k year-I will let others debate if the binmen are overpaid or not. I think they (and the public sector) should be happy to have a job in this current economic climate.
The Conservative City councillors have taken a voluntary 5.5% pay cut. I am not aware of what the other parties are doing....
resident in southampton east
says...
2:57pm Fri 23 Sep 11
Maine Lobster wrote:well said
Seeking the Truth wrote:Just another deliberately inflammatory comment from Chris Wilkins, in the same vain as all the other Tory windup merchants. Ignore these plonkers!
ChrisWilkins wrote: They should sack all the Bin men, and then employ this 500 who want to work and who want a job. Not the sheep led uinion members who really havent got a clue why they are striking! (awaiting the backlash)What a load of rubbish!! What grounds do you propose they sack the binmen for? refusing to do work that they are not contracted to do? If the council could sack them they would have, as employers SCC recognise membership of a union, the union membership decided to on strike, their membership decided to go back to work, all legal, the council have no grounds to sack them, it would cost the council more in unfair dismissal claims than the strike did.
"InflammaTORY" - ironic isn't it!
Ellwood
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3:01pm Fri 23 Sep 11
Over 500 apply for bin collector jobs at Southampton City Council.......... and I'll wager my last Rolo, that not one of 'em was female..... ; )
Jesus_02
says...
3:07pm Fri 23 Sep 11
Sack everyone. Make them work for bennefits. Anyone that doesn't read the daily mail should be whipped. Anyone that doest pay more tax than me should be put on an island, along with anyone that has impure thoughts. Oh and while we are there travellers and single mums should be made to marry empy my bins and pay my taxes by selling their organs.
Lone Ranger.
says...
3:19pm Fri 23 Sep 11
Jesus_02 wrote:I dont have an organ to sell ........ will a violin do ??
Sack everyone. Make them work for bennefits. Anyone that doesn't read the daily mail should be whipped. Anyone that doest pay more tax than me should be put on an island, along with anyone that has impure thoughts. Oh and while we are there travellers and single mums should be made to marry empy my bins and pay my taxes by selling their organs.
OSPREYSAINT
says...
5:59pm Fri 23 Sep 11
Ellwood wrote:Well Loosehead is a bit of an old woman! Any news LH? Best of luck if not yet.
Over 500 apply for bin collector jobs at Southampton City Council.......... and I'll wager my last Rolo, that not one of 'em was female..... ; )
OSPREYSAINT
says...
6:05pm Fri 23 Sep 11
loosehead wrote:So you still think it is right to go ahead with the "sign a new but poorer contract or lose your job" ploy? That is perfectly OK in your world?
leagueleaders wrote:Right I think people like you should wake up to reality. have you not been listening to the news lately? many hospitals are in financial trouble & why? is it down to cuts in funding? No they're getting more now than under Labour. Is is an initiative to build privately funded hospitals at a high repayment rate? Yes Tony Blair & his government wanted to be seen as the defenders of the NHS so went on a privately funded hospital building program which those hospitals are now paying back a fifth of there income to these companies.If you look at Southampton General & it's expansion programs you can see where it's money is spent.I do believe that management should look at the cuts from the top down & not start at the bottom/front line services(nurses). Are the management taking a 5.5% pay cut as those Tories at Southampton council did? Your last piece of advice seems a good idea for you as your anti tory rhetoric seems to be misplaced & isn't this about applicants to 16 jobs?Not the hospital?
commonsence wrote:Commonsence your comments do demonstrate how much you know about this.
This is STUPID. Many people , men and women, working in the private sector cannot take the action to strike . WHY because of the work they do such as looking after the elderly in Nursing and Care Homes, people in Hospices and those caring for people in their own homes etc. What an outcry there would be if these needy people were left to cope without the support they need. Many in this kind of work have had no pay rises for a long time and work long hours. Yes I am one of these people so I do know what I am saying is true.
To clarify, anyone in a union can take strike action providing there is a legitimate dispute (i.e. being dismissed in breach of your contract).
There are plenty of employees like yourself who work tirelessly caring for people and they deserve to be able to fight for their rights if they need to.
Had the majority of private sector workers joined a union, they would have been able to put up a bigger stand when their pay, terms, conditions and pensions etc were changed by the employers. This is no reason why those people who do care enough about their jobs etc cannot take action or should be ridiculed for having the guts to do something about it.
There are hundreds of thousands of union members who like you are carers or in the emergency services and have people who's lives depend on the extremely hard and respectable work they do. Don't be fooled, they will take action where and when necessary (look out for the 30th Nov) but I am sure that it will not put anyone's lives at risk.
To state that staff in your profession cannot strike is nonsense and by no means true, as you state.
Unlike you I am not in the medical or caring profession but I would suggest that you get yourself checked over because there appears to be a lot of stuff coming from your mouth that probably should be coming from a different part of your body.
OSPREYSAINT
says...
6:19pm Fri 23 Sep 11
Jesus_02 wrote:I love a bit of irony, anyone who thinks the UK is bust should make their way to the Boat Show and see what people are buying there. Wads of money changing hands, and that's only the catering! Loads of £100,000 to £500,00O potential shipwrecks on sale. A rich yank was seen there saying "How much for the big grey one?" Sums it up really, most of us with our bank balances peaking around £5 thousand live in a totally different world.
Sack everyone. Make them work for bennefits. Anyone that doesn't read the daily mail should be whipped. Anyone that doest pay more tax than me should be put on an island, along with anyone that has impure thoughts. Oh and while we are there travellers and single mums should be made to marry empy my bins and pay my taxes by selling their organs.
OSPREYSAINT
says...
7:31pm Fri 23 Sep 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:OK at least it will stop you fiddling.
Jesus_02 wrote:I dont have an organ to sell ........ will a violin do ??
Sack everyone. Make them work for bennefits. Anyone that doesn't read the daily mail should be whipped. Anyone that doest pay more tax than me should be put on an island, along with anyone that has impure thoughts. Oh and while we are there travellers and single mums should be made to marry empy my bins and pay my taxes by selling their organs.
loosehead
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9:11pm Fri 23 Sep 11
OSPREYSAINT wrote:I suppose it's okay for the unions to write to the local Labour party to tell them they will do all they can to bring down a Tory council & replace it with a Labour one & then set into motion political strikes & industrial action in your eyes? At BAT we had new working terms forced on us as well as redundancy it was a case of sign the new contracts or your refusing the job offer,we not all took a pay cut from high speed m/c pay to just above low speed pay so does that answer your question? Answer me this how many people in the private sector have taken pay cuts to secure their jobs? It's not like it's the low or moderately paid who are taking a pay cut it's the higher paid employees who will be taking the cuts.if they had accepted the last proposal then the starting point of cuts would have been considerably more than most people can earn now( £22,000) but the Bin Men who have been lead to believe they're fighting for all the council workers rejected the deal only for higher paid council workers to come on here & say they should go to fortnightly collections & half the bin men so they don't take a pay cut.So please who's been lying to who? are the unions representing or mis representing it's members?Can't wait to see what happens if/when Greece goes bankrupt? What will the TUSC & all other unions/socialists say then STRIKE ? oh as I've done it YES
loosehead wrote:So you still think it is right to go ahead with the "sign a new but poorer contract or lose your job" ploy? That is perfectly OK in your world?
leagueleaders wrote:Right I think people like you should wake up to reality. have you not been listening to the news lately? many hospitals are in financial trouble & why? is it down to cuts in funding? No they're getting more now than under Labour. Is is an initiative to build privately funded hospitals at a high repayment rate? Yes Tony Blair & his government wanted to be seen as the defenders of the NHS so went on a privately funded hospital building program which those hospitals are now paying back a fifth of there income to these companies.If you look at Southampton General & it's expansion programs you can see where it's money is spent.I do believe that management should look at the cuts from the top down & not start at the bottom/front line services(nurses). Are the management taking a 5.5% pay cut as those Tories at Southampton council did? Your last piece of advice seems a good idea for you as your anti tory rhetoric seems to be misplaced & isn't this about applicants to 16 jobs?Not the hospital?
commonsence wrote:Commonsence your comments do demonstrate how much you know about this.
This is STUPID. Many people , men and women, working in the private sector cannot take the action to strike . WHY because of the work they do such as looking after the elderly in Nursing and Care Homes, people in Hospices and those caring for people in their own homes etc. What an outcry there would be if these needy people were left to cope without the support they need. Many in this kind of work have had no pay rises for a long time and work long hours. Yes I am one of these people so I do know what I am saying is true.
To clarify, anyone in a union can take strike action providing there is a legitimate dispute (i.e. being dismissed in breach of your contract).
There are plenty of employees like yourself who work tirelessly caring for people and they deserve to be able to fight for their rights if they need to.
Had the majority of private sector workers joined a union, they would have been able to put up a bigger stand when their pay, terms, conditions and pensions etc were changed by the employers. This is no reason why those people who do care enough about their jobs etc cannot take action or should be ridiculed for having the guts to do something about it.
There are hundreds of thousands of union members who like you are carers or in the emergency services and have people who's lives depend on the extremely hard and respectable work they do. Don't be fooled, they will take action where and when necessary (look out for the 30th Nov) but I am sure that it will not put anyone's lives at risk.
To state that staff in your profession cannot strike is nonsense and by no means true, as you state.
Unlike you I am not in the medical or caring profession but I would suggest that you get yourself checked over because there appears to be a lot of stuff coming from your mouth that probably should be coming from a different part of your body.
OSPREYSAINT
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11:52pm Fri 23 Sep 11
1) You worked at BAT? did you ever give a thought to all those people that you killed with your en product? 2) If what you say happened to you why do you still condone it with others, some sort of vengeance? Were you an active Union Member? You keep on about the higher paid taking cuts, well fine they can afford it, the lower paid simply cannot. I don't differentiate a private worker from a public sector worker, in the long run it makes no difference. 3) I don't know who has been lying to who, it takes two to tango and I guess both sides are being disingenuous with the truth. 4) Why can you not wait to see if Greece goes bankrupt, what business it is of yours, we are not in the EU, yet we still fund the losers, why, because when they recover, we want them to spend money on our exports, it doesn't serve any purpose to let them go under. 5) I don't know what the reference to the Unions has to do with Greece either, it is very confusing. 6) Got the job yet?
loosehead
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5:13am Sat 24 Sep 11
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Osprey if we stopped producing every thing that had a potential to kill you we would starve.Bean sprouts caused an ecoli outbreak,meat has caused ecoli outbreaks cars/motorbikes kill planes kill so don't go on about fags.the higher paid workers at Southampton are being asked to take pay cuts & a two year pay freeze to try to secure as many jobs as possible,This seems to be beyond your comprehension Also it seems to much for you to take in the relatively well paid aren't taking any sort of a pay cut .OH! yes it was okay with me to keep a relatively well paid job whilst taking a small pay cut & having my contract ripped up & a new one with double the work signed as I enjoyed my job.If you see these bin men you can't tell me they're not enjoying their work.Bye I'm off to watch England play
1) You worked at BAT? did you ever give a thought to all those people that you killed with your en product? 2) If what you say happened to you why do you still condone it with others, some sort of vengeance? Were you an active Union Member? You keep on about the higher paid taking cuts, well fine they can afford it, the lower paid simply cannot. I don't differentiate a private worker from a public sector worker, in the long run it makes no difference. 3) I don't know who has been lying to who, it takes two to tango and I guess both sides are being disingenuous with the truth. 4) Why can you not wait to see if Greece goes bankrupt, what business it is of yours, we are not in the EU, yet we still fund the losers, why, because when they recover, we want them to spend money on our exports, it doesn't serve any purpose to let them go under. 5) I don't know what the reference to the Unions has to do with Greece either, it is very confusing. 6) Got the job yet?
Norwegian Saint
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10:42am Sat 24 Sep 11
Right... lets get on to more important matters...
Can we use the word "Bin MEN"? is it politically correct? Can women apply?
Can we use the word "Bin MEN"? is it politically correct? Can women apply?
OSPREYSAINT
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6:16pm Sat 24 Sep 11
loosehead wrote:A few dodgy facts there, but I will let you enjoy your ignorance, you could die playing with odd shaped ball but they won't stop the game being played will they?
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Osprey if we stopped producing every thing that had a potential to kill you we would starve.Bean sprouts caused an ecoli outbreak,meat has caused ecoli outbreaks cars/motorbikes kill planes kill so don't go on about fags.the higher paid workers at Southampton are being asked to take pay cuts & a two year pay freeze to try to secure as many jobs as possible,This seems to be beyond your comprehension Also it seems to much for you to take in the relatively well paid aren't taking any sort of a pay cut .OH! yes it was okay with me to keep a relatively well paid job whilst taking a small pay cut & having my contract ripped up & a new one with double the work signed as I enjoyed my job.If you see these bin men you can't tell me they're not enjoying their work.Bye I'm off to watch England play
1) You worked at BAT? did you ever give a thought to all those people that you killed with your en product? 2) If what you say happened to you why do you still condone it with others, some sort of vengeance? Were you an active Union Member? You keep on about the higher paid taking cuts, well fine they can afford it, the lower paid simply cannot. I don't differentiate a private worker from a public sector worker, in the long run it makes no difference. 3) I don't know who has been lying to who, it takes two to tango and I guess both sides are being disingenuous with the truth. 4) Why can you not wait to see if Greece goes bankrupt, what business it is of yours, we are not in the EU, yet we still fund the losers, why, because when they recover, we want them to spend money on our exports, it doesn't serve any purpose to let them go under. 5) I don't know what the reference to the Unions has to do with Greece either, it is very confusing. 6) Got the job yet?
OSPREYSAINT
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6:17pm Sat 24 Sep 11
Norwegian Saint wrote:Bin-Person? Bin-Being if we are going global. Refuse Disposal Operative, whatever.
Right... lets get on to more important matters...
Can we use the word "Bin MEN"? is it politically correct? Can women apply?
whisper37
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10:27am Mon 26 Sep 11
I thought I’d add my 50 cense, and please it’s just my option.
Years ago I’d have been well on the side of the bin men, to hell to the man ect, but now it pains me to be on the side of the man.
The council have to make cuts and we all know that cuts normally come from the bottom. It’s not fair, but it’s how it works. The council have two options cut wages or cut jobs. What one is better? Where I currently work there has been redundancies on all leaves, and not because the work is not there, just to save money and everyone else can pick up the slack. The reason I found this article is because I’m having to job hunt, before more cuts are made (and they will be coming) and I’m having to compete against my colleges with more experience for the same jobs.
The number of applications clearly demonstrates how harsh this current climate is. I’m pretty sure that if we’d be given the option to all have a wage cut, but know are jobs were safe we’d do it and trust me know of us have big pay packets.
Years ago I’d have been well on the side of the bin men, to hell to the man ect, but now it pains me to be on the side of the man.
The council have to make cuts and we all know that cuts normally come from the bottom. It’s not fair, but it’s how it works. The council have two options cut wages or cut jobs. What one is better? Where I currently work there has been redundancies on all leaves, and not because the work is not there, just to save money and everyone else can pick up the slack. The reason I found this article is because I’m having to job hunt, before more cuts are made (and they will be coming) and I’m having to compete against my colleges with more experience for the same jobs.
The number of applications clearly demonstrates how harsh this current climate is. I’m pretty sure that if we’d be given the option to all have a wage cut, but know are jobs were safe we’d do it and trust me know of us have big pay packets.
sotonmike
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9:30am Tue 27 Sep 11
ChrisWilkins wrote:i agree in some part but, when i was growing up everyone wanted to be a bin man it was good exercise and good money.
They should sack all the Bin men, and then employ this 500 who want to work and who want a job. Not the sheep led uinion members who really havent got a clue why they are striking! (awaiting the backlash)
there was a waiting list two years long...
they used to do the job properly and didnt have lazy machines lifting everything.
i was talking to a polish guy who has been in the country just 3 months but hes a bin man?
so im guessing there is no longer a2 years wait now and also some of the peopl i have seen doing the buns by me are (not being nasty) but literally obese, and puffing away on a fag while dragging a green bin to a lifter. wow i bet these guys were enjoying the strikes.
a job is a job and (bin-man) is a very good well paid job! let people who derserve and want it do it.
ShoBud21
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11:50am Thu 6 Oct 11
THEKILLER wrote:Here Here. The impetus and the moral high ground has been lost by the unions. They can no longer justify penalising the council tax payers of Southampton.
Can the bin-men please go on strike again as I had a better service when they were not working !!!! Some of those nice private contractors can come and collect my rubbish again
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