Southampton City Council staff on strike

Daily Echo: Council staff on strike Council staff on strike

UNION members were picketing council workplaces around Southampton today in the largest strike yet in a dispute over cuts to staff pay.

More than 1,000 council workers are today taking part in the one day walkout in the long running industrial dispute, They will meet for a rally in Guildhall Square at lunchtime in protest at pay cuts brought in under threat of dismissal in July.

The strike is the the first since three months of crippling walkouts over the summer.

Up to 400 social care workers in the Unison union and up to 700 members of Unite union, including bin men, are taking part.

They include social workers, occupational therapists, care managers, residential childcare workers, social care assistants and business support staff in both children's and adult social services.

The social care workers will meet later at the Sir James Matthews Building to consider further walkouts in a campaign to restore pay cuts of between two and 5.5 per cent forced on thousands of staff earning over £17,500. Staff also face a two-year pay freeze.

However in-demand child social workers are getting an extra £1,400 to stop them moving to better paid jobs with other councils.

The council insists the pay cuts will protect 400 jobs as it seeks to make savings of £75m over four years.

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10:07am Thu 6 Oct 11

Condor Man says...

Why just today? why not go out indefinately? the council needs to save money, do us all a favour.
Why just today? why not go out indefinately? the council needs to save money, do us all a favour. Condor Man
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10:07am Thu 6 Oct 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Welcome to the real world where decent normal working people get picked on and bullied by Right Wing greedy, profit obsessed thugs.
Welcome to the real world where decent normal working people get picked on and bullied by Right Wing greedy, profit obsessed thugs. OSPREYSAINT
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10:22am Thu 6 Oct 11

aldermoorboy says...

If the union win, we the public lose, stay strong the council, keep our bills down.
Council works still get a far better deal than the rest of us, stop being greedy.
Live in the real world, your Labour party have overseen this crises they were in charge, they are responsible.God help us if Labour get back in charge, they will finish the job and kill this country.
If the union win, we the public lose, stay strong the council, keep our bills down. Council works still get a far better deal than the rest of us, stop being greedy. Live in the real world, your Labour party have overseen this crises they were in charge, they are responsible.God help us if Labour get back in charge, they will finish the job and kill this country. aldermoorboy
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10:28am Thu 6 Oct 11

Shoong says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Welcome to the real world where decent normal working people get picked on and bullied by Right Wing greedy, profit obsessed thugs.
Have another read of your silly little comment.

No-ones being picked on by 'profit obsessed' thugs, I haven't made a profit for years ;)

It's just difficult for a great number of people who do not work in the public sector to understand how The Club go on strike when they are also feeling the pinch from the current financial climate.

First person who says 'you should work in the public sector then' or 'who stands up for your rights then' gets a rusty medal.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Welcome to the real world where decent normal working people get picked on and bullied by Right Wing greedy, profit obsessed thugs.[/p][/quote]Have another read of your silly little comment. No-ones being picked on by 'profit obsessed' thugs, I haven't made a profit for years ;) It's just difficult for a great number of people who do not work in the public sector to understand how The Club go on strike when they are also feeling the pinch from the current financial climate. First person who says 'you should work in the public sector then' or 'who stands up for your rights then' gets a rusty medal. Shoong
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10:33am Thu 6 Oct 11

Sovietobserver says...

Perhaps Royston Smith could muster up all his fellow tory councillors, all his anti-union employees, the anti-union residents of Southampton, all the long suffering protesting council tax payers, all the right-wing bloggers on this site to create a counter demonstration in Guildhall Square at lunchtime today and get the Daily Echo to photo them all and count them as an independent witness.
My bet is the right wingers won't even show up , perhaps just a small number gazing in amazement out of a nearby civic window and some scorning from a safe distance.
One thousand antis , not a chance.
The left rules OK.
Royston cannot allow himself to stoop so low to do it anyway. Says it all.
Perhaps Royston Smith could muster up all his fellow tory councillors, all his anti-union employees, the anti-union residents of Southampton, all the long suffering protesting council tax payers, all the right-wing bloggers on this site to create a counter demonstration in Guildhall Square at lunchtime today and get the Daily Echo to photo them all and count them as an independent witness. My bet is the right wingers won't even show up , perhaps just a small number gazing in amazement out of a nearby civic window and some scorning from a safe distance. One thousand antis , not a chance. The left rules OK. Royston cannot allow himself to stoop so low to do it anyway. Says it all. Sovietobserver
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10:38am Thu 6 Oct 11

townieboy says...

Stand for your rights brothers and sisters. UNITED YOU STAND. Good to see thers still some backbone these days. Better than spineless contractors who run off for an extra £1 an hour. Dont tell me there better workers or loyal.
Stand for your rights brothers and sisters. UNITED YOU STAND. Good to see thers still some backbone these days. Better than spineless contractors who run off for an extra £1 an hour. Dont tell me there better workers or loyal. townieboy
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10:47am Thu 6 Oct 11

mrtein says...

"hangings too good for them,!" no hold on, I mean " Send them back to their own country!!, wait wrong again, " Bl***** social security scroungers". Oh, its no good ... I just can find the right cliche.
"hangings too good for them,!" no hold on, I mean " Send them back to their own country!!, wait wrong again, " Bl***** social security scroungers". Oh, its no good ... I just can find the right cliche. mrtein
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10:48am Thu 6 Oct 11

rich the stitch says...

The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you?
The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you? rich the stitch
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10:56am Thu 6 Oct 11

Dasal says...

Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago.................
. WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ?????
Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!!
Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!! Dasal
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11:00am Thu 6 Oct 11

MGRA says...

gutless.... they should strike for longer and save SCC more money.

picket lines very thin,,, xboxlive and loose women must be taking a big hit today !!

enjoy your day off, shame about the weather but you can't have everything when you are skiving...
;-)
gutless.... they should strike for longer and save SCC more money. picket lines very thin,,, xboxlive and loose women must be taking a big hit today !! enjoy your day off, shame about the weather but you can't have everything when you are skiving... ;-) MGRA
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11:02am Thu 6 Oct 11

aldermoorboy says...

sovietobserver, thanks for the invite, but no thanks to a riot( we had those recently). Lets see how the tax payers vote in May 2012 ( that's better than mob rule ).
sovietobserver, thanks for the invite, but no thanks to a riot( we had those recently). Lets see how the tax payers vote in May 2012 ( that's better than mob rule ). aldermoorboy
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11:14am Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
If the union win, we the public lose, stay strong the council, keep our bills down.
Council works still get a far better deal than the rest of us, stop being greedy.
Live in the real world, your Labour party have overseen this crises they were in charge, they are responsible.God help us if Labour get back in charge, they will finish the job and kill this country.
If Council wins you lose and every other in the city, you end up seeing bin colletion privatise and you end up paying £22 per month and not 90p per month
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: If the union win, we the public lose, stay strong the council, keep our bills down. Council works still get a far better deal than the rest of us, stop being greedy. Live in the real world, your Labour party have overseen this crises they were in charge, they are responsible.God help us if Labour get back in charge, they will finish the job and kill this country.[/p][/quote]If Council wins you lose and every other in the city, you end up seeing bin colletion privatise and you end up paying £22 per month and not 90p per month southy
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11:15am Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

Portswoodfoke wrote:
LAZY SOCIALIST SCUM

Welcome to the real world, we all have to make sacrifices, being in a 'club' does not give you the right to get better pay on the taxpayers expense.
Better being in a club that will have you and not in a club that like to make you think you belong to but in reality you never be able to join.
[quote][p][bold]Portswoodfoke[/bold] wrote: LAZY SOCIALIST SCUM Welcome to the real world, we all have to make sacrifices, being in a 'club' does not give you the right to get better pay on the taxpayers expense.[/p][/quote]Better being in a club that will have you and not in a club that like to make you think you belong to but in reality you never be able to join. southy
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11:17am Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Looks to me that the only reason the council have given an assurance these will not be sacked, is that they may have to sack all the strikers if they sacked one of them - I'm not sure if this is definitely the legal position, but the unions would probably argue it was.

So, does that mean that any time social care workers go on strike, the strikers become unsackable?

This industrial action must stop now.

The council have the legal authority to get tough, and the legal responsibility to look after the interests of the residents. That means the council spending must be cut to fit what the council can afford.

Time to give these jobs to people who are prepared to do the for the amount the council can afford to pay.

The number of applicants for jobs demonstrates that the posts would readily be filled.

Public servants must remember that they are there to serve the public. The taxpayer is NOT there to fund inflated pay and perks for public servants, over and above what the private sector workers funding them can expect themselves.

We taxpayers are fed up of being treated like cows to be milked by the unions.

Tough and decisive action NOW please. The council should sack any worker taking strike action that it has the authority to sack.

To the councillors: It is your duty to us the taxpayers who vote you in to sort this out once and for all. You will not gain our support if you allow this to drag on. Strong leadership is what is required.
Looks to me that the only reason the council have given an assurance these will not be sacked, is that they may have to sack all the strikers if they sacked one of them - I'm not sure if this is definitely the legal position, but the unions would probably argue it was. So, does that mean that any time social care workers go on strike, the strikers become unsackable? This industrial action must stop now. The council have the legal authority to get tough, and the legal responsibility to look after the interests of the residents. That means the council spending must be cut to fit what the council can afford. Time to give these jobs to people who are prepared to do the for the amount the council can afford to pay. The number of applicants for jobs demonstrates that the posts would readily be filled. Public servants must remember that they are there to serve the public. The taxpayer is NOT there to fund inflated pay and perks for public servants, over and above what the private sector workers funding them can expect themselves. We taxpayers are fed up of being treated like cows to be milked by the unions. Tough and decisive action NOW please. The council should sack any worker taking strike action that it has the authority to sack. To the councillors: It is your duty to us the taxpayers who vote you in to sort this out once and for all. You will not gain our support if you allow this to drag on. Strong leadership is what is required. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:18am Thu 6 Oct 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Shoong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Welcome to the real world where decent normal working people get picked on and bullied by Right Wing greedy, profit obsessed thugs.
Have another read of your silly little comment.

No-ones being picked on by 'profit obsessed' thugs, I haven't made a profit for years ;)

It's just difficult for a great number of people who do not work in the public sector to understand how The Club go on strike when they are also feeling the pinch from the current financial climate.

First person who says 'you should work in the public sector then' or 'who stands up for your rights then' gets a rusty medal.
Thanks teacher, I may not actually agree with it, just putting another point of view to wind you up, success I think.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Welcome to the real world where decent normal working people get picked on and bullied by Right Wing greedy, profit obsessed thugs.[/p][/quote]Have another read of your silly little comment. No-ones being picked on by 'profit obsessed' thugs, I haven't made a profit for years ;) It's just difficult for a great number of people who do not work in the public sector to understand how The Club go on strike when they are also feeling the pinch from the current financial climate. First person who says 'you should work in the public sector then' or 'who stands up for your rights then' gets a rusty medal.[/p][/quote]Thanks teacher, I may not actually agree with it, just putting another point of view to wind you up, success I think. OSPREYSAINT
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11:19am Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

Dasal wrote:
Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago.................

. WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ?????
Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!!
try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.
[quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!![/p][/quote]try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally. southy
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11:20am Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

rich the stitch says...
10:48am Thu 6 Oct 11
The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you?

Exactly!
rich the stitch says... 10:48am Thu 6 Oct 11 The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you? Exactly! Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:25am Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
rich the stitch says...
10:48am Thu 6 Oct 11
The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you?

Exactly!
So your saying you pay £22 per month in a seperate bill to have your bins emptied, and not the 90p per month you pay now.
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: rich the stitch says... 10:48am Thu 6 Oct 11 The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you? Exactly![/p][/quote]So your saying you pay £22 per month in a seperate bill to have your bins emptied, and not the 90p per month you pay now. southy
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11:30am Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Dasal,

You may get a few there for a little while, then wouldnt be surprised to find the rest of them in the pub / doing the shopping / watching Jeremy Kyle. Was always amused to see how sparse the demonstrators were in recent demos and strikes.

Always amusing how the train strikers often used to strike on a sunny weekend, and have a nice big summer bbbq... comical... if it wasnt so sickeningly self serving

At the end of the day, thats what the union members are self serving.

This is not about serving the public, this is about being dragged unwillingly into the real world, with economic realities, and the need to realise Britain is virtually bust, and cannot afford a massively wasteful public sector any more.

This is a very serious matter. We dont want to be dragged down into the abyss like Greece because of a greedy self serving public sector.

Fortunately many of the public sector workers realise that there need to be cuts, which is why they HAVE signed up to them.

Those workers who just want to use this perilous situation to try and get a labour council in for their own selfish ends, while wrecking the reputation of the city, they should be ashamed of themselves. Time for them to put up with the new terms and conditions and shut up, or to push off and find a new job that will pay them so well.

These strikers have virtually no support outside those who have a vested interest in public sector workers lining their pockets. Time for them to realise this.
Dasal, You may get a few there for a little while, then wouldnt be surprised to find the rest of them in the pub / doing the shopping / watching Jeremy Kyle. Was always amused to see how sparse the demonstrators were in recent demos and strikes. Always amusing how the train strikers often used to strike on a sunny weekend, and have a nice big summer bbbq... comical... if it wasnt so sickeningly self serving At the end of the day, thats what the union members are self serving. This is not about serving the public, this is about being dragged unwillingly into the real world, with economic realities, and the need to realise Britain is virtually bust, and cannot afford a massively wasteful public sector any more. This is a very serious matter. We dont want to be dragged down into the abyss like Greece because of a greedy self serving public sector. Fortunately many of the public sector workers realise that there need to be cuts, which is why they HAVE signed up to them. Those workers who just want to use this perilous situation to try and get a labour council in for their own selfish ends, while wrecking the reputation of the city, they should be ashamed of themselves. Time for them to put up with the new terms and conditions and shut up, or to push off and find a new job that will pay them so well. These strikers have virtually no support outside those who have a vested interest in public sector workers lining their pockets. Time for them to realise this. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:36am Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

southy wrote:
Dasal wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!!
try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.
And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time?

Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!![/p][/quote]try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.[/p][/quote]And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time? Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed... owen_thesaints
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11:38am Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning?
Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning? owen_thesaints
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11:42am Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
southy wrote:
Dasal wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!!
try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.
And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time?

Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed...
So far I been the closes that post on here, but then again I do get out there to find out things and what is really going on, so my fatally flawed calculations is a hell a lot closers than yours.
If you what to find out things you hit the streets and talk to people.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!![/p][/quote]try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.[/p][/quote]And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time? Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed...[/p][/quote]So far I been the closes that post on here, but then again I do get out there to find out things and what is really going on, so my fatally flawed calculations is a hell a lot closers than yours. If you what to find out things you hit the streets and talk to people. southy
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11:43am Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning?
They are picketing the offices, and not the bridge.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning?[/p][/quote]They are picketing the offices, and not the bridge. southy
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11:45am Thu 6 Oct 11

smallone says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
southy wrote:
Dasal wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!!
try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.
And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time? Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed...
They'll all be turning up for the rally. Not because they are so committed to their protests. But because the Unions have told them they won't get their strike pay if they don't!
Such commitment to the cause!
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!![/p][/quote]try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.[/p][/quote]And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time? Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed...[/p][/quote]They'll all be turning up for the rally. Not because they are so committed to their protests. But because the Unions have told them they won't get their strike pay if they don't! Such commitment to the cause! smallone
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11:48am Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

smallone wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
southy wrote:
Dasal wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!!
try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.
And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time? Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed...
They'll all be turning up for the rally. Not because they are so committed to their protests. But because the Unions have told them they won't get their strike pay if they don't!
Such commitment to the cause!
Wrong they will get strike pay weather they turn up or not.
[quote][p][bold]smallone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!![/p][/quote]try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.[/p][/quote]And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time? Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed...[/p][/quote]They'll all be turning up for the rally. Not because they are so committed to their protests. But because the Unions have told them they won't get their strike pay if they don't! Such commitment to the cause![/p][/quote]Wrong they will get strike pay weather they turn up or not. southy
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11:49am Thu 6 Oct 11

aldermoorboy says...

Southy I think we should go into business together. Collecting bins at £22 a month. Here is how it works, you drive the van, I get two mates, we can do 1 bin a minute ( that's approx £5 a week per bin x 60 an hour =£300 per hour x 40 hours per week =£12000 per week, divide by 4 of us =£3000 a week each less cost of the van say £2900 a week. Interested?
Southy I think we should go into business together. Collecting bins at £22 a month. Here is how it works, you drive the van, I get two mates, we can do 1 bin a minute ( that's approx £5 a week per bin x 60 an hour =£300 per hour x 40 hours per week =£12000 per week, divide by 4 of us =£3000 a week each less cost of the van say £2900 a week. Interested? aldermoorboy
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11:50am Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

southy wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning?
They are picketing the offices, and not the bridge.
Well.... the staff who were on strike last time were working this morning collecting tolls, so they can't be on strike or even picketing???

And as far as I could see there was no picket at the bridge office.

...I'm confused...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning?[/p][/quote]They are picketing the offices, and not the bridge.[/p][/quote]Well.... the staff who were on strike last time were working this morning collecting tolls, so they can't be on strike or even picketing??? And as far as I could see there was no picket at the bridge office. ...I'm confused... owen_thesaints
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11:50am Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

"southy says...
11:19am Thu 6 Oct 11

"Dasal wrote:
Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago.................


. WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ?????
Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!!

try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally."

LOL! That's the point Southy, by 1.30 they will probably be in the pub enjoying their time off.

This is a glorified skive.

The longer this runs on, the more the unions will run down their warchests and break themselves. The more they will demand funds from their supporters, and will ultimately break their supporters.

Perhaps we should let the strikes run on and on, let the unions fund these workers, the taxpayers dont want to.

Personally, I dnt want to see these people broken, I want to see them working. I would want these people to wake up and realise that, as after World War I, after the Wall Street Crash of 1929, and after World War II, the world has changed. Britain's place in that world has got a lot smaller, and our ability to get out from under a mountain of debt is going to be pretty weak.

China is building its middle classes.

The importance of the west for manufacturing has declined massively

The importance for the west as a market will also decline massively, as the populace are saddled by massive personal debt, by declining wages, by increasing inflation, and people will have far less disposal income once housing , food, and energy costs are taken account of.

And we who in Britain make our money off making a turn on the transactions of others, whether they are financial transactions in the city, or transactions for products manufactured in places like China will see how irrelevant Britain is in danger of becoming over the next fifteen years. How will our shops which rely on taking a percentage of the value of goods made elsewhere survive? What happens to the shopworkers then? So many of our jobs in this country will be lost because the high streets will become shuttered whilst internet shopping grows.

Reports suggest that China could be as dominant economically by 2030 as Britain was at the height of its empire, and america was at its economic height. This is a worrying world for us in Britain, or it should be.

I think those in relatively secure public sectr jobs should be greatful to keep them as long as they can, and should cooperate with the government and councils in the cuts.

Noone wants people to be out of work, noone wants people to suffer, but we as a country are in a whole heap of trouble, and we have to pull together to weather the storm.

The reality is, that the private sector create wealth, and the public sector spend it. When the wealth creation has been knocked for six, for whatever reason, the spending has to be cut.

Yes it will be painful, yes, there will be people out of work, but by working hard, and working smart, Britain can carve a place for itself out in the world that is coming.

If we end up dragged down into a 1970s world of lost productivity and strikes, Britain's working class (and by that I mean anyone who has to work for a living to put food on the table) will be damning itself.

As a people, it is important to show these strikers that they do not speak for us, and they are not doing the country any good whatsoever.

And for the strikers, in the world that is coming, you will want your CV to show you have been part of the solution, not part of the problem, if you want to find work in our worrying world of tomorrow.
"southy says... 11:19am Thu 6 Oct 11 "Dasal wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!! try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally." LOL! That's the point Southy, by 1.30 they will probably be in the pub enjoying their time off. This is a glorified skive. The longer this runs on, the more the unions will run down their warchests and break themselves. The more they will demand funds from their supporters, and will ultimately break their supporters. Perhaps we should let the strikes run on and on, let the unions fund these workers, the taxpayers dont want to. Personally, I dnt want to see these people broken, I want to see them working. I would want these people to wake up and realise that, as after World War I, after the Wall Street Crash of 1929, and after World War II, the world has changed. Britain's place in that world has got a lot smaller, and our ability to get out from under a mountain of debt is going to be pretty weak. China is building its middle classes. The importance of the west for manufacturing has declined massively The importance for the west as a market will also decline massively, as the populace are saddled by massive personal debt, by declining wages, by increasing inflation, and people will have far less disposal income once housing , food, and energy costs are taken account of. And we who in Britain make our money off making a turn on the transactions of others, whether they are financial transactions in the city, or transactions for products manufactured in places like China will see how irrelevant Britain is in danger of becoming over the next fifteen years. How will our shops which rely on taking a percentage of the value of goods made elsewhere survive? What happens to the shopworkers then? So many of our jobs in this country will be lost because the high streets will become shuttered whilst internet shopping grows. Reports suggest that China could be as dominant economically by 2030 as Britain was at the height of its empire, and america was at its economic height. This is a worrying world for us in Britain, or it should be. I think those in relatively secure public sectr jobs should be greatful to keep them as long as they can, and should cooperate with the government and councils in the cuts. Noone wants people to be out of work, noone wants people to suffer, but we as a country are in a whole heap of trouble, and we have to pull together to weather the storm. The reality is, that the private sector create wealth, and the public sector spend it. When the wealth creation has been knocked for six, for whatever reason, the spending has to be cut. Yes it will be painful, yes, there will be people out of work, but by working hard, and working smart, Britain can carve a place for itself out in the world that is coming. If we end up dragged down into a 1970s world of lost productivity and strikes, Britain's working class (and by that I mean anyone who has to work for a living to put food on the table) will be damning itself. As a people, it is important to show these strikers that they do not speak for us, and they are not doing the country any good whatsoever. And for the strikers, in the world that is coming, you will want your CV to show you have been part of the solution, not part of the problem, if you want to find work in our worrying world of tomorrow. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:56am Thu 6 Oct 11

Sovietobserver says...

Until the private sector stops financing the London based elite and all their banking buddies, all those employed in the private sector are going to see their life styles plummet and will not have enough finance to cover their basic living costs. This is the capitalists grand plan. But capitalism is falling apart on its dying legs. Now is the time for socialists to force nationalization right across the board of the private sector so that we have a level playing field and our standards of living are maintained.
Until the private sector stops financing the London based elite and all their banking buddies, all those employed in the private sector are going to see their life styles plummet and will not have enough finance to cover their basic living costs. This is the capitalists grand plan. But capitalism is falling apart on its dying legs. Now is the time for socialists to force nationalization right across the board of the private sector so that we have a level playing field and our standards of living are maintained. Sovietobserver
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12:00pm Thu 6 Oct 11

rich the stitch says...

southy wrote:
Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: rich the stitch says... 10:48am Thu 6 Oct 11 The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you? Exactly!
So your saying you pay £22 per month in a seperate bill to have your bins emptied, and not the 90p per month you pay now.
Southy, the figure you have of £22 per month is for 1 monthly collection of 1 house hold. Not an entire city, which I'm sure, would get a very very large discount. You've already had someone say this to you before.....but as always have chosen to ignore it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: rich the stitch says... 10:48am Thu 6 Oct 11 The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you? Exactly![/p][/quote]So your saying you pay £22 per month in a seperate bill to have your bins emptied, and not the 90p per month you pay now.[/p][/quote]Southy, the figure you have of £22 per month is for 1 monthly collection of 1 house hold. Not an entire city, which I'm sure, would get a very very large discount. You've already had someone say this to you before.....but as always have chosen to ignore it. rich the stitch
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12:06pm Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: rich the stitch says... 10:48am Thu 6 Oct 11 The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you? Exactly!
So your saying you pay £22 per month in a seperate bill to have your bins emptied, and not the 90p per month you pay now.
Southy, the figure you have of £22 per month is for 1 monthly collection of 1 house hold. Not an entire city, which I'm sure, would get a very very large discount. You've already had someone say this to you before.....but as always have chosen to ignore it.
flawed calculations....hasn
't allowed for economies of scale, etc...
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: rich the stitch says... 10:48am Thu 6 Oct 11 The people who pay the wages (us) are skint. We can no longer afford your overpaid salaries for the sub-standard work that could be done by less people. The choice? Redundancies or a pay drop. People in the real world have had to do it, why can’t you? Exactly![/p][/quote]So your saying you pay £22 per month in a seperate bill to have your bins emptied, and not the 90p per month you pay now.[/p][/quote]Southy, the figure you have of £22 per month is for 1 monthly collection of 1 house hold. Not an entire city, which I'm sure, would get a very very large discount. You've already had someone say this to you before.....but as always have chosen to ignore it.[/p][/quote]flawed calculations....hasn 't allowed for economies of scale, etc... owen_thesaints
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12:13pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

lol sovietsobserver,

yep, you seem to be someone who would willingly doom us all.

Even the soviets gave up on socialism, it doesnt work.

Take a look at north korea, and the starvation of the people.

Take a look at the working conditions of chinese miners and factory workers.

The people who have to abandon their families to work long hours away from home for little money.

The reality is that this is who the west is competing with.

The chinese have cornered a large part of the market for many key natural resources

They are buying land in other countries to feed their population.

The workers in this country need to realise that the conditions in this country are massively papmpered by comparison, which make us massively uncompetitive.

So it will be really hard to compete with china or rebuild any significant manufacturing presence, as people in the west wont be able to afford to live for the money that chinese workers are paid.

I think the best thing for us to do to build prosperity is to buy british, but it will be hard for people to afford to buy British when British workers expect such lifestyles as they are accustomed to.

Yes, we dont want wages and working conditions to be driven down to the lowest common denominator, but to believe that Britain isnt going to have big issues, significant unemployment and significant hardship is unrealistic.

Pay will fall, to make us more competitive, or businesses will fail. People will start wearing jumpers again, instead of centrally heating their houses to tropical temperatures all year round. People will be looking to afford clothes and food, and not be worring about where their next x-box or iphone is coming from.

The welfare state will be cut back more and more because it is unaffordable, and quickly those who are unwilling to work will be the first to suffer. This is not a world where there will be significant support for people who want to sit around watching Jeremy Kyle on large satellite TV's while claiming benefits

A cold harsh wind of economic change is blowing and this is just the start.
lol sovietsobserver, yep, you seem to be someone who would willingly doom us all. Even the soviets gave up on socialism, it doesnt work. Take a look at north korea, and the starvation of the people. Take a look at the working conditions of chinese miners and factory workers. The people who have to abandon their families to work long hours away from home for little money. The reality is that this is who the west is competing with. The chinese have cornered a large part of the market for many key natural resources They are buying land in other countries to feed their population. The workers in this country need to realise that the conditions in this country are massively papmpered by comparison, which make us massively uncompetitive. So it will be really hard to compete with china or rebuild any significant manufacturing presence, as people in the west wont be able to afford to live for the money that chinese workers are paid. I think the best thing for us to do to build prosperity is to buy british, but it will be hard for people to afford to buy British when British workers expect such lifestyles as they are accustomed to. Yes, we dont want wages and working conditions to be driven down to the lowest common denominator, but to believe that Britain isnt going to have big issues, significant unemployment and significant hardship is unrealistic. Pay will fall, to make us more competitive, or businesses will fail. People will start wearing jumpers again, instead of centrally heating their houses to tropical temperatures all year round. People will be looking to afford clothes and food, and not be worring about where their next x-box or iphone is coming from. The welfare state will be cut back more and more because it is unaffordable, and quickly those who are unwilling to work will be the first to suffer. This is not a world where there will be significant support for people who want to sit around watching Jeremy Kyle on large satellite TV's while claiming benefits A cold harsh wind of economic change is blowing and this is just the start. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:15pm Thu 6 Oct 11

MGRA says...

just asked a SCC employee if he still supports the strike, he said : "I am in the Union so I am striking. There are 10% of us who only get out of the bed in the morning to moan and cause trouble. They have done it for years. Sadly, these are the union activists." I asked him why he does not leave the union and he told me he is going one better and getting another job in the private sector, starting January on about the same pay but ( and to quote ) "working with people who want to work". He last word to me was "counting the days".
just asked a SCC employee if he still supports the strike, he said : "I am in the Union so I am striking. There are 10% of us who only get out of the bed in the morning to moan and cause trouble. They have done it for years. Sadly, these are the union activists." I asked him why he does not leave the union and he told me he is going one better and getting another job in the private sector, starting January on about the same pay but ( and to quote ) "working with people who want to work". He last word to me was "counting the days". MGRA
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12:19pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

It's a great shame MGRA if people who want to work are driven out of their jobs from frustration with the blinkered union activists who make their working lives a misery
It's a great shame MGRA if people who want to work are driven out of their jobs from frustration with the blinkered union activists who make their working lives a misery Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:20pm Thu 6 Oct 11

mr nobody says...

I have not been to any of the picket lines yet nobody took up my offer yesterday about confronting them but could somebody tell me where the bin men are, as i would like to take my waste that they haven't picked up for 4 weeks and give it to them and plus i want to see a lot of puppets with their heads up their backsides and unions pulling the strings .
I have not been to any of the picket lines yet nobody took up my offer yesterday about confronting them but could somebody tell me where the bin men are, as i would like to take my waste that they haven't picked up for 4 weeks and give it to them and plus i want to see a lot of puppets with their heads up their backsides and unions pulling the strings . mr nobody
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12:30pm Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

mr nobody wrote:
I have not been to any of the picket lines yet nobody took up my offer yesterday about confronting them but could somebody tell me where the bin men are, as i would like to take my waste that they haven't picked up for 4 weeks and give it to them and plus i want to see a lot of puppets with their heads up their backsides and unions pulling the strings .
you could always pop it outside the Union offices...
[quote][p][bold]mr nobody[/bold] wrote: I have not been to any of the picket lines yet nobody took up my offer yesterday about confronting them but could somebody tell me where the bin men are, as i would like to take my waste that they haven't picked up for 4 weeks and give it to them and plus i want to see a lot of puppets with their heads up their backsides and unions pulling the strings .[/p][/quote]you could always pop it outside the Union offices... owen_thesaints
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12:48pm Thu 6 Oct 11

smallone says...

Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness.
Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness. smallone
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12:53pm Thu 6 Oct 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

southy wrote:
smallone wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
southy wrote:
Dasal wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!!
try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.
And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time? Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed...
They'll all be turning up for the rally. Not because they are so committed to their protests. But because the Unions have told them they won't get their strike pay if they don't!
Such commitment to the cause!
Wrong they will get strike pay weather they turn up or not.
Another bad spell of whether we are having!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smallone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: Drove by City Centre about 30 minutes ago................. . WHERE ARE THE 1,000 STRIKERS ????? Only handful there. Maybe rest are having a lie-in after their "hectic" working schedule !!!![/p][/quote]try going around all the yards there are pickets out side each one, the time to be in town is at 12-30, when there be a rally.[/p][/quote]And you'll be there collecting signatures again? How many this time? Most of your calculations seem to be fatally flawed...[/p][/quote]They'll all be turning up for the rally. Not because they are so committed to their protests. But because the Unions have told them they won't get their strike pay if they don't! Such commitment to the cause![/p][/quote]Wrong they will get strike pay weather they turn up or not.[/p][/quote]Another bad spell of whether we are having! OSPREYSAINT
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12:56pm Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

smallone wrote:
Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness.
I'm sure that you've miscounted. Only Southy knows the number!
[quote][p][bold]smallone[/bold] wrote: Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness.[/p][/quote]I'm sure that you've miscounted. Only Southy knows the number! owen_thesaints
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1:00pm Thu 6 Oct 11

MGBR says...

blah blah blah - Civil Servants on strike - blah blah blah - pay cuts instead of redundancies - blah blah blah. LOOK COUNCIL WORKERS - WE PAY YOUR WAGES...

BE GRATEFUL YOU HAVE A JOB AND GET ON WITH IT!
blah blah blah - Civil Servants on strike - blah blah blah - pay cuts instead of redundancies - blah blah blah. LOOK COUNCIL WORKERS - WE PAY YOUR WAGES... BE GRATEFUL YOU HAVE A JOB AND GET ON WITH IT! MGBR
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1:16pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sovietobserver says...

smallone wrote:
Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness.
smallone . Stop acting the traitor, get back to Moscow now, on your bike.
We all remember you. A better life awaits you.
[quote][p][bold]smallone[/bold] wrote: Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness.[/p][/quote]smallone . Stop acting the traitor, get back to Moscow now, on your bike. We all remember you. A better life awaits you. Sovietobserver
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2:05pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
southy wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning?
They are picketing the offices, and not the bridge.
Well.... the staff who were on strike last time were working this morning collecting tolls, so they can't be on strike or even picketing???

And as far as I could see there was no picket at the bridge office.

...I'm confused...
not to hard to confuse you, some parts are on work to rule, other parts are on strike.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning?[/p][/quote]They are picketing the offices, and not the bridge.[/p][/quote]Well.... the staff who were on strike last time were working this morning collecting tolls, so they can't be on strike or even picketing??? And as far as I could see there was no picket at the bridge office. ...I'm confused...[/p][/quote]not to hard to confuse you, some parts are on work to rule, other parts are on strike. southy
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2:12pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sovietobserver says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
lol sovietsobserver, yep, you seem to be someone who would willingly doom us all. Even the soviets gave up on socialism, it doesnt work. Take a look at north korea, and the starvation of the people. Take a look at the working conditions of chinese miners and factory workers. The people who have to abandon their families to work long hours away from home for little money. The reality is that this is who the west is competing with. The chinese have cornered a large part of the market for many key natural resources They are buying land in other countries to feed their population. The workers in this country need to realise that the conditions in this country are massively papmpered by comparison, which make us massively uncompetitive. So it will be really hard to compete with china or rebuild any significant manufacturing presence, as people in the west wont be able to afford to live for the money that chinese workers are paid. I think the best thing for us to do to build prosperity is to buy british, but it will be hard for people to afford to buy British when British workers expect such lifestyles as they are accustomed to. Yes, we dont want wages and working conditions to be driven down to the lowest common denominator, but to believe that Britain isnt going to have big issues, significant unemployment and significant hardship is unrealistic. Pay will fall, to make us more competitive, or businesses will fail. People will start wearing jumpers again, instead of centrally heating their houses to tropical temperatures all year round. People will be looking to afford clothes and food, and not be worring about where their next x-box or iphone is coming from. The welfare state will be cut back more and more because it is unaffordable, and quickly those who are unwilling to work will be the first to suffer. This is not a world where there will be significant support for people who want to sit around watching Jeremy Kyle on large satellite TV's while claiming benefits A cold harsh wind of economic change is blowing and this is just the start.
Take me by the jugular if you want. But the truth hurts. The " Sotonians_lets_all_p
ull_together" fully digitalised propaganda machine is definitely working overtime today. I applaud you.
Regarding your statements about other countries I have recently had the fortunate opportunity and experience to have lived and worked in one of these. What was overwhelming was the number of closely knit, hard working family units bringing up well disciplined children without the interference of capitalistic advertising surrounding them.
Look around you here and see the institutionalised greed and the results that blights families through the influence of companies owned by the elitist shareholders etc. that is what is making this nation into being a pack of feral animals and criminals.
The capitalist elite know the writing is on the walls, they can see that the sources to sustain their greed are diminishing because of the new world order. So they are going to suck every last penny out of the working classes so that they and their families will survive.
We must stand our ground or otherwise our standards will fall lower than the third world countries if we just lay back and take it.
Capitalism is taking its last gasps.Just accept it.
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: lol sovietsobserver, yep, you seem to be someone who would willingly doom us all. Even the soviets gave up on socialism, it doesnt work. Take a look at north korea, and the starvation of the people. Take a look at the working conditions of chinese miners and factory workers. The people who have to abandon their families to work long hours away from home for little money. The reality is that this is who the west is competing with. The chinese have cornered a large part of the market for many key natural resources They are buying land in other countries to feed their population. The workers in this country need to realise that the conditions in this country are massively papmpered by comparison, which make us massively uncompetitive. So it will be really hard to compete with china or rebuild any significant manufacturing presence, as people in the west wont be able to afford to live for the money that chinese workers are paid. I think the best thing for us to do to build prosperity is to buy british, but it will be hard for people to afford to buy British when British workers expect such lifestyles as they are accustomed to. Yes, we dont want wages and working conditions to be driven down to the lowest common denominator, but to believe that Britain isnt going to have big issues, significant unemployment and significant hardship is unrealistic. Pay will fall, to make us more competitive, or businesses will fail. People will start wearing jumpers again, instead of centrally heating their houses to tropical temperatures all year round. People will be looking to afford clothes and food, and not be worring about where their next x-box or iphone is coming from. The welfare state will be cut back more and more because it is unaffordable, and quickly those who are unwilling to work will be the first to suffer. This is not a world where there will be significant support for people who want to sit around watching Jeremy Kyle on large satellite TV's while claiming benefits A cold harsh wind of economic change is blowing and this is just the start.[/p][/quote]Take me by the jugular if you want. But the truth hurts. The " Sotonians_lets_all_p ull_together" fully digitalised propaganda machine is definitely working overtime today. I applaud you. Regarding your statements about other countries I have recently had the fortunate opportunity and experience to have lived and worked in one of these. What was overwhelming was the number of closely knit, hard working family units bringing up well disciplined children without the interference of capitalistic advertising surrounding them. Look around you here and see the institutionalised greed and the results that blights families through the influence of companies owned by the elitist shareholders etc. that is what is making this nation into being a pack of feral animals and criminals. The capitalist elite know the writing is on the walls, they can see that the sources to sustain their greed are diminishing because of the new world order. So they are going to suck every last penny out of the working classes so that they and their families will survive. We must stand our ground or otherwise our standards will fall lower than the third world countries if we just lay back and take it. Capitalism is taking its last gasps.Just accept it. Sovietobserver
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2:13pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

I have no problem with workers working to rule.

The council sets the rules, so if the council needs to change them so they get a decent days work out of them, they need to do it.

Anyone who then doesnt pull their weight and work to those rules should be dismissed

Working to rule is not an excuse for skiving, and being awkward - workers must work to the best of their ability withing the rules. If the workers are feigning a level of ability which falls below an acceptable standard, then again, this is actually illegal unauthorised strike action over and above working to rule, and the workers should be sacked, or disclipined for unacceptable standard of work.

Time to get tough. Those who want their jobs great, those that dont, time to clear them all out.
I have no problem with workers working to rule. The council sets the rules, so if the council needs to change them so they get a decent days work out of them, they need to do it. Anyone who then doesnt pull their weight and work to those rules should be dismissed Working to rule is not an excuse for skiving, and being awkward - workers must work to the best of their ability withing the rules. If the workers are feigning a level of ability which falls below an acceptable standard, then again, this is actually illegal unauthorised strike action over and above working to rule, and the workers should be sacked, or disclipined for unacceptable standard of work. Time to get tough. Those who want their jobs great, those that dont, time to clear them all out. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:18pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

sovietobserver,

If you had your way, all our living standards would be appalling, and with much lower wages and expectations than council workers have currently.

Yes, as we would all be oppressed by a totalitarian charmless state, we would all have cheery suffering tightknit families.

But do the council workers really want happiness through starvation and suffering? I rather think they want to stay (relatively) wealthy and selfish, it certainly seems that way as they cling deperately to their pampered pay pensions and conditions that many private sector workers do not get.
sovietobserver, If you had your way, all our living standards would be appalling, and with much lower wages and expectations than council workers have currently. Yes, as we would all be oppressed by a totalitarian charmless state, we would all have cheery suffering tightknit families. But do the council workers really want happiness through starvation and suffering? I rather think they want to stay (relatively) wealthy and selfish, it certainly seems that way as they cling deperately to their pampered pay pensions and conditions that many private sector workers do not get. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:24pm Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

southy wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
southy wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning?
They are picketing the offices, and not the bridge.
Well.... the staff who were on strike last time were working this morning collecting tolls, so they can't be on strike or even picketing??? And as far as I could see there was no picket at the bridge office. ...I'm confused...
not to hard to confuse you, some parts are on work to rule, other parts are on strike.
why no picket outside Southbrook Rise either?

Why strike and not picket? Unless it's the lure of daytime TV...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Why no picket on the toll bridge this morning?[/p][/quote]They are picketing the offices, and not the bridge.[/p][/quote]Well.... the staff who were on strike last time were working this morning collecting tolls, so they can't be on strike or even picketing??? And as far as I could see there was no picket at the bridge office. ...I'm confused...[/p][/quote]not to hard to confuse you, some parts are on work to rule, other parts are on strike.[/p][/quote]why no picket outside Southbrook Rise either? Why strike and not picket? Unless it's the lure of daytime TV... owen_thesaints
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2:25pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
smallone wrote:
Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness.
I'm sure that you've miscounted. Only Southy knows the number!
only about 200 well thats close seeing its only the bin men and street cleaner, and about 200 will mean 100% turn out by the bin men and street cleaners.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smallone[/bold] wrote: Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness.[/p][/quote]I'm sure that you've miscounted. Only Southy knows the number![/p][/quote]only about 200 well thats close seeing its only the bin men and street cleaner, and about 200 will mean 100% turn out by the bin men and street cleaners. southy
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2:26pm Thu 6 Oct 11

LeTissiersEarLobe says...

Go back to work you lazy ignorant plebs
Go back to work you lazy ignorant plebs LeTissiersEarLobe
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2:26pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Hmmm..... if we take a tour round the homes of council workers, how many would want to lose their central heating, their supermarkets with food on the shelves, their televisions in every room, their sky packages, their fancy westerm clothes, their shiny cars, their mobile phones...

...let us not forget that it was nigh on impossible to even get a decent pair of jeans under the soviets, lol!

The funny thing is, those hard line socialists in the unions would run a mile if they understood what was meant by the politics whose clothes they slip on so easily without understanding them.

Their quality of life would be less than an a quarter of what it is now.

People should be careful of what they wish for.

Would they really want to only have one income, as one of the amily would need to spend the whole day queueing for a loaf of bread?

How many coucnil workers darn their clothes when they get a hole in them, or do they just bin them.

How many have clothes unworn in the wardrobe?

These strikers have absolutely no idea what economic hardsip could mean over the next twenty or thirty years.

They should get realistic and quick, or they may regret losing their jobs when they are gone.
Hmmm..... if we take a tour round the homes of council workers, how many would want to lose their central heating, their supermarkets with food on the shelves, their televisions in every room, their sky packages, their fancy westerm clothes, their shiny cars, their mobile phones... ...let us not forget that it was nigh on impossible to even get a decent pair of jeans under the soviets, lol! The funny thing is, those hard line socialists in the unions would run a mile if they understood what was meant by the politics whose clothes they slip on so easily without understanding them. Their quality of life would be less than an a quarter of what it is now. People should be careful of what they wish for. Would they really want to only have one income, as one of the amily would need to spend the whole day queueing for a loaf of bread? How many coucnil workers darn their clothes when they get a hole in them, or do they just bin them. How many have clothes unworn in the wardrobe? These strikers have absolutely no idea what economic hardsip could mean over the next twenty or thirty years. They should get realistic and quick, or they may regret losing their jobs when they are gone. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:29pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

apologies for the typos in my last quick reply, which was directed in response to sovietobserver
apologies for the typos in my last quick reply, which was directed in response to sovietobserver Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:30pm Thu 6 Oct 11

rich the stitch says...

@Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount.
As normal spouting off rubbish.
How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city.
Taxi for Southy
@Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy rich the stitch
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2:37pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sovietobserver says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
sovietobserver, If you had your way, all our living standards would be appalling, and with much lower wages and expectations than council workers have currently. Yes, as we would all be oppressed by a totalitarian charmless state, we would all have cheery suffering tightknit families. But do the council workers really want happiness through starvation and suffering? I rather think they want to stay (relatively) wealthy and selfish, it certainly seems that way as they cling deperately to their pampered pay pensions and conditions that many private sector workers do not get.
Sotonians_lets_pull_
together. You are disappearing up you own exhaust pipe. Your propaganda machine is running out of sustainability.You'v
e got no more ammunition to defend yourself from the truth. Just be brave and face up to the inevitable. SCC workers action is just step number one, you've seen nothing yet.
Just stay tuned ,as they say.
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: sovietobserver, If you had your way, all our living standards would be appalling, and with much lower wages and expectations than council workers have currently. Yes, as we would all be oppressed by a totalitarian charmless state, we would all have cheery suffering tightknit families. But do the council workers really want happiness through starvation and suffering? I rather think they want to stay (relatively) wealthy and selfish, it certainly seems that way as they cling deperately to their pampered pay pensions and conditions that many private sector workers do not get.[/p][/quote]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together. You are disappearing up you own exhaust pipe. Your propaganda machine is running out of sustainability.You'v e got no more ammunition to defend yourself from the truth. Just be brave and face up to the inevitable. SCC workers action is just step number one, you've seen nothing yet. Just stay tuned ,as they say. Sovietobserver
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2:49pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

sovietobserver,

lol!

Interesting that you cant actually challenge the serious points that I make....

...though not surprising ;-)
sovietobserver, lol! Interesting that you cant actually challenge the serious points that I make.... ...though not surprising ;-) Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:50pm Thu 6 Oct 11

peenut81 says...

1. Get in the real world. a MEANINGLESS and pointless statement. Just because something is, does not mean it has to be. Just because you don't recognise the power of solidarity, a committed and informed public to change things for the better doesn't justify such a response that frankly shows your bitterness at being trapped as a pawn within the Capitalist system.
2. Worldwide events actually should be making all of us working and poor people unite, Capitalism is not finished unfortunately but the power of the system belongs in the east meaning soon British people will find themselves compelled to work for low and unsanitary conditions that we (by supporting capitalist expansion since WW2) inflicted on the rest of the world. The only disagreement can only come from a member of the political and economic elite who have run Britain for so long as it is in their own interests to keep the system running as long as possible. WE NEED AN ALTERNATIVE system for socio-economic organisation as soon as possible and attacking 'lazy' spongers won't help.
1. Get in the real world. a MEANINGLESS and pointless statement. Just because something is, does not mean it has to be. Just because you don't recognise the power of solidarity, a committed and informed public to change things for the better doesn't justify such a response that frankly shows your bitterness at being trapped as a pawn within the Capitalist system. 2. Worldwide events actually should be making all of us working and poor people unite, Capitalism is not finished unfortunately but the power of the system belongs in the east meaning soon British people will find themselves compelled to work for low and unsanitary conditions that we (by supporting capitalist expansion since WW2) inflicted on the rest of the world. The only disagreement can only come from a member of the political and economic elite who have run Britain for so long as it is in their own interests to keep the system running as long as possible. WE NEED AN ALTERNATIVE system for socio-economic organisation as soon as possible and attacking 'lazy' spongers won't help. peenut81
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2:52pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

rich the stitch wrote:
@Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount.
As normal spouting off rubbish.
How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city.
Taxi for Southy
Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined.
Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy[/p][/quote]Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water. southy
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2:53pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

peenut,
I think if you examine history, that communist states dont have a great record for protecting the feckless who dont want to work yet wish to live in pampered luxury.

They tend to have saltmines for the lazy spongers, as you term them...
peenut, I think if you examine history, that communist states dont have a great record for protecting the feckless who dont want to work yet wish to live in pampered luxury. They tend to have saltmines for the lazy spongers, as you term them... Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:55pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

peenut81 wrote:
1. Get in the real world. a MEANINGLESS and pointless statement. Just because something is, does not mean it has to be. Just because you don't recognise the power of solidarity, a committed and informed public to change things for the better doesn't justify such a response that frankly shows your bitterness at being trapped as a pawn within the Capitalist system.
2. Worldwide events actually should be making all of us working and poor people unite, Capitalism is not finished unfortunately but the power of the system belongs in the east meaning soon British people will find themselves compelled to work for low and unsanitary conditions that we (by supporting capitalist expansion since WW2) inflicted on the rest of the world. The only disagreement can only come from a member of the political and economic elite who have run Britain for so long as it is in their own interests to keep the system running as long as possible. WE NEED AN ALTERNATIVE system for socio-economic organisation as soon as possible and attacking 'lazy' spongers won't help.
We do and it is building up in supporters.
TUSC is the new working class party, as we can no longer trust Tory-Labour they are just has right wing has the Tory-con party.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: 1. Get in the real world. a MEANINGLESS and pointless statement. Just because something is, does not mean it has to be. Just because you don't recognise the power of solidarity, a committed and informed public to change things for the better doesn't justify such a response that frankly shows your bitterness at being trapped as a pawn within the Capitalist system. 2. Worldwide events actually should be making all of us working and poor people unite, Capitalism is not finished unfortunately but the power of the system belongs in the east meaning soon British people will find themselves compelled to work for low and unsanitary conditions that we (by supporting capitalist expansion since WW2) inflicted on the rest of the world. The only disagreement can only come from a member of the political and economic elite who have run Britain for so long as it is in their own interests to keep the system running as long as possible. WE NEED AN ALTERNATIVE system for socio-economic organisation as soon as possible and attacking 'lazy' spongers won't help.[/p][/quote]We do and it is building up in supporters. TUSC is the new working class party, as we can no longer trust Tory-Labour they are just has right wing has the Tory-con party. southy
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2:57pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Oh Southy,

I am sure not even you can believe that load of old hogwash.

By the time the government has done removing restrictions like TUPE regs it will be cheaper to outsource, not more expensive, as the outsourcers will no longer be bound to maintain the previous pay and conditions of the workers.

One way or another, the savings will be made.

It makes sense for the council workers to embrace the changes now, as if it has to be done by outsourcing the cuts to pay and conditions will inevitably be deeper as they have to allow for the profits of the shareholders
Oh Southy, I am sure not even you can believe that load of old hogwash. By the time the government has done removing restrictions like TUPE regs it will be cheaper to outsource, not more expensive, as the outsourcers will no longer be bound to maintain the previous pay and conditions of the workers. One way or another, the savings will be made. It makes sense for the council workers to embrace the changes now, as if it has to be done by outsourcing the cuts to pay and conditions will inevitably be deeper as they have to allow for the profits of the shareholders Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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3:00pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

"southy says...
2:55pm Thu 6 Oct 11

We do and it is building up in supporters.
TUSC is the new working class party, as we can no longer trust Tory-Labour they are just has right wing has the Tory-con party."

I do hope so Southy, as if you can atrract lots of lefties away from labour it will make them much less successful.

I cant quite see why a fractured disunited and increasingly self marginalising and hardline unelectable left should be anything other than welcomed.
"southy says... 2:55pm Thu 6 Oct 11 We do and it is building up in supporters. TUSC is the new working class party, as we can no longer trust Tory-Labour they are just has right wing has the Tory-con party." I do hope so Southy, as if you can atrract lots of lefties away from labour it will make them much less successful. I cant quite see why a fractured disunited and increasingly self marginalising and hardline unelectable left should be anything other than welcomed. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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3:02pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
peenut,
I think if you examine history, that communist states dont have a great record for protecting the feckless who dont want to work yet wish to live in pampered luxury.

They tend to have saltmines for the lazy spongers, as you term them...
First of all just because a Country calls it self Communist do not mean it is, you take Stalin called him self a Communist but in truth he was a Provicialist, and one of the reasons its known has Stalinlist and not Communist.
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: peenut, I think if you examine history, that communist states dont have a great record for protecting the feckless who dont want to work yet wish to live in pampered luxury. They tend to have saltmines for the lazy spongers, as you term them...[/p][/quote]First of all just because a Country calls it self Communist do not mean it is, you take Stalin called him self a Communist but in truth he was a Provicialist, and one of the reasons its known has Stalinlist and not Communist. southy
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3:03pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Nuances Southy,

It doesnt matter. Whatever they tried, it failed, and now they have a capitalist oligarchy.
Nuances Southy, It doesnt matter. Whatever they tried, it failed, and now they have a capitalist oligarchy. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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3:04pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
"southy says...
2:55pm Thu 6 Oct 11

We do and it is building up in supporters.
TUSC is the new working class party, as we can no longer trust Tory-Labour they are just has right wing has the Tory-con party."

I do hope so Southy, as if you can atrract lots of lefties away from labour it will make them much less successful.

I cant quite see why a fractured disunited and increasingly self marginalising and hardline unelectable left should be anything other than welcomed.
The Left repersents the Majority and not the Minority.
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: "southy says... 2:55pm Thu 6 Oct 11 We do and it is building up in supporters. TUSC is the new working class party, as we can no longer trust Tory-Labour they are just has right wing has the Tory-con party." I do hope so Southy, as if you can atrract lots of lefties away from labour it will make them much less successful. I cant quite see why a fractured disunited and increasingly self marginalising and hardline unelectable left should be anything other than welcomed.[/p][/quote]The Left repersents the Majority and not the Minority. southy
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3:08pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
Nuances Southy,

It doesnt matter. Whatever they tried, it failed, and now they have a capitalist oligarchy.
Provicialist is Capitalism, its industralist in control. Hitler Germany was another Provicialist system
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: Nuances Southy, It doesnt matter. Whatever they tried, it failed, and now they have a capitalist oligarchy.[/p][/quote]Provicialist is Capitalism, its industralist in control. Hitler Germany was another Provicialist system southy
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3:09pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

If you look at the russians capacity to absorb and tolerate suffering over the years, even they couldnt stand the stalinists / communists / whatever you wish to call them.

You think pampered westerners would ever tolerate such a system.

Youre having a laugh!

Council workers get asked to take a small pay cut because their pay and conditions are unaffordable, and more than the equivalent in the private sector.

What do they do? Do they say, yes brothers, we should act in the interests of the many and not our own selfish interests?

Lol! Do they heck as like!
If you look at the russians capacity to absorb and tolerate suffering over the years, even they couldnt stand the stalinists / communists / whatever you wish to call them. You think pampered westerners would ever tolerate such a system. Youre having a laugh! Council workers get asked to take a small pay cut because their pay and conditions are unaffordable, and more than the equivalent in the private sector. What do they do? Do they say, yes brothers, we should act in the interests of the many and not our own selfish interests? Lol! Do they heck as like! Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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3:12pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Oh and Southy, you just fell foul of Godwin's Law (again!)
Oh and Southy, you just fell foul of Godwin's Law (again!) Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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3:20pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
If you look at the russians capacity to absorb and tolerate suffering over the years, even they couldnt stand the stalinists / communists / whatever you wish to call them.

You think pampered westerners would ever tolerate such a system.

Youre having a laugh!

Council workers get asked to take a small pay cut because their pay and conditions are unaffordable, and more than the equivalent in the private sector.

What do they do? Do they say, yes brothers, we should act in the interests of the many and not our own selfish interests?

Lol! Do they heck as like!
True Socialist would not tolerate a right wing system like Provicialium be cause its not socialism it is Capitalism
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: If you look at the russians capacity to absorb and tolerate suffering over the years, even they couldnt stand the stalinists / communists / whatever you wish to call them. You think pampered westerners would ever tolerate such a system. Youre having a laugh! Council workers get asked to take a small pay cut because their pay and conditions are unaffordable, and more than the equivalent in the private sector. What do they do? Do they say, yes brothers, we should act in the interests of the many and not our own selfish interests? Lol! Do they heck as like![/p][/quote]True Socialist would not tolerate a right wing system like Provicialium be cause its not socialism it is Capitalism southy
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3:25pm Thu 6 Oct 11

rich the stitch says...

southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy
Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.
So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy[/p][/quote]Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.[/p][/quote]So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point? rich the stitch
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3:33pm Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy
Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.
So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?
Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy[/p][/quote]Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.[/p][/quote]So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?[/p][/quote]Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier owen_thesaints
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3:57pm Thu 6 Oct 11

loosehead says...

If you look at the caption of the woman carrying a placard it says saving services?that's exactly what the council are trying to do.Asocial worker has posted on here that they should cut bin collections & bin jobs so saving money to stop her having a pay cut that's solidarity for you.Look there was 500+applicants for 16 jobs surely that was warning enough for these strikers? Southy if it's £22 a bin/household God the private sector would be biting the councils hand off for the contract.as for the TUSC? haven't you & the rest of those loonies learnt from the protests in Greece? hasn't done them much good has it? The lady should read her own placard & then the Labour plans for the city if they win control of the city then worry about services
If you look at the caption of the woman carrying a placard it says saving services?that's exactly what the council are trying to do.Asocial worker has posted on here that they should cut bin collections & bin jobs so saving money to stop her having a pay cut that's solidarity for you.Look there was 500+applicants for 16 jobs surely that was warning enough for these strikers? Southy if it's £22 a bin/household God the private sector would be biting the councils hand off for the contract.as for the TUSC? haven't you & the rest of those loonies learnt from the protests in Greece? hasn't done them much good has it? The lady should read her own placard & then the Labour plans for the city if they win control of the city then worry about services loosehead
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4:20pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy
Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.
So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?
Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier
The fact remain the moment the SWA was privatise the price went up. and the same with any public service, once privatise the price will go up.
You pay 90p at the moment for your rubbish collettion, when privatise it be a seperate bill and the charge will be £22 at lest.
Your business senice seem to be very weak or you don't like to look at it deeply, private sector will be out to make a profit on top off all the out goings, the Council do not need to.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy[/p][/quote]Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.[/p][/quote]So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?[/p][/quote]Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier[/p][/quote]The fact remain the moment the SWA was privatise the price went up. and the same with any public service, once privatise the price will go up. You pay 90p at the moment for your rubbish collettion, when privatise it be a seperate bill and the charge will be £22 at lest. Your business senice seem to be very weak or you don't like to look at it deeply, private sector will be out to make a profit on top off all the out goings, the Council do not need to. southy
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4:43pm Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

southy wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy
Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.
So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?
Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier
The fact remain the moment the SWA was privatise the price went up. and the same with any public service, once privatise the price will go up. You pay 90p at the moment for your rubbish collettion, when privatise it be a seperate bill and the charge will be £22 at lest. Your business senice seem to be very weak or you don't like to look at it deeply, private sector will be out to make a profit on top off all the out goings, the Council do not need to.
The one thing I agree with you on is the Council not having to make a profit.

Because of this it has allowed itself to grow fat and bloated, and amongst other things to offer premium terms and conditions of employment that are now unsustainable.

I, as a customer, have no option where I can take my money elsewhere to another (perhaps) better value provider. Therefore the council could continue to impose whatever increase in tax it required to balance the books.

But times have changed, we want / need a leaner meaner operation, and if that means its time for the public sector to wake up and smell the proverbial then so be it.

The bin men for example in my eyes are overpaid. But they're out in all weathers, shifting rubbish, anti-social hours, etc I hear you all cry. So are so many other people, road workers, postmen etc. why are the bin men so emotive? Why is their job so special. I'm old enough to remember when they actually physically picked up the bins from inside your property and returned them empty to the same place, now its just wheeling a container to the rear of a vehicle and back again. There are far worse jobs in the world.

Over time the public services have aquired so many extra benefits, (days off for the Queen's birthday etc.) perhaps its time to lose some of them or lose the job completely.

As a good 'socialist' or whatever you're calling yourself this week, I trust you do not avail yourself of the facilities of any nasty private business that doesnt employs people to work Sundays, unsocial hours etc. for flat rate only...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy[/p][/quote]Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.[/p][/quote]So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?[/p][/quote]Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier[/p][/quote]The fact remain the moment the SWA was privatise the price went up. and the same with any public service, once privatise the price will go up. You pay 90p at the moment for your rubbish collettion, when privatise it be a seperate bill and the charge will be £22 at lest. Your business senice seem to be very weak or you don't like to look at it deeply, private sector will be out to make a profit on top off all the out goings, the Council do not need to.[/p][/quote]The one thing I agree with you on is the Council not having to make a profit. Because of this it has allowed itself to grow fat and bloated, and amongst other things to offer premium terms and conditions of employment that are now unsustainable. I, as a customer, have no option where I can take my money elsewhere to another (perhaps) better value provider. Therefore the council could continue to impose whatever increase in tax it required to balance the books. But times have changed, we want / need a leaner meaner operation, and if that means its time for the public sector to wake up and smell the proverbial then so be it. The bin men for example in my eyes are overpaid. But they're out in all weathers, shifting rubbish, anti-social hours, etc I hear you all cry. So are so many other people, road workers, postmen etc. why are the bin men so emotive? Why is their job so special. I'm old enough to remember when they actually physically picked up the bins from inside your property and returned them empty to the same place, now its just wheeling a container to the rear of a vehicle and back again. There are far worse jobs in the world. Over time the public services have aquired so many extra benefits, (days off for the Queen's birthday etc.) perhaps its time to lose some of them or lose the job completely. As a good 'socialist' or whatever you're calling yourself this week, I trust you do not avail yourself of the facilities of any nasty private business that doesnt employs people to work Sundays, unsocial hours etc. for flat rate only... owen_thesaints
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4:43pm Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

southy wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy
Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.
So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?
Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier
The fact remain the moment the SWA was privatise the price went up. and the same with any public service, once privatise the price will go up. You pay 90p at the moment for your rubbish collettion, when privatise it be a seperate bill and the charge will be £22 at lest. Your business senice seem to be very weak or you don't like to look at it deeply, private sector will be out to make a profit on top off all the out goings, the Council do not need to.
The one thing I agree with you on is the Council not having to make a profit.

Because of this it has allowed itself to grow fat and bloated, and amongst other things to offer premium terms and conditions of employment that are now unsustainable.

I, as a customer, have no option where I can take my money elsewhere to another (perhaps) better value provider. Therefore the council could continue to impose whatever increase in tax it required to balance the books.

But times have changed, we want / need a leaner meaner operation, and if that means its time for the public sector to wake up and smell the proverbial then so be it.

The bin men for example in my eyes are overpaid. But they're out in all weathers, shifting rubbish, anti-social hours, etc I hear you all cry. So are so many other people, road workers, postmen etc. why are the bin men so emotive? Why is their job so special. I'm old enough to remember when they actually physically picked up the bins from inside your property and returned them empty to the same place, now its just wheeling a container to the rear of a vehicle and back again. There are far worse jobs in the world.

Over time the public services have aquired so many extra benefits, (days off for the Queen's birthday etc.) perhaps its time to lose some of them or lose the job completely.

As a good 'socialist' or whatever you're calling yourself this week, I trust you do not avail yourself of the facilities of any nasty private business that doesnt employs people to work Sundays, unsocial hours etc. for flat rate only...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy[/p][/quote]Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.[/p][/quote]So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?[/p][/quote]Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier[/p][/quote]The fact remain the moment the SWA was privatise the price went up. and the same with any public service, once privatise the price will go up. You pay 90p at the moment for your rubbish collettion, when privatise it be a seperate bill and the charge will be £22 at lest. Your business senice seem to be very weak or you don't like to look at it deeply, private sector will be out to make a profit on top off all the out goings, the Council do not need to.[/p][/quote]The one thing I agree with you on is the Council not having to make a profit. Because of this it has allowed itself to grow fat and bloated, and amongst other things to offer premium terms and conditions of employment that are now unsustainable. I, as a customer, have no option where I can take my money elsewhere to another (perhaps) better value provider. Therefore the council could continue to impose whatever increase in tax it required to balance the books. But times have changed, we want / need a leaner meaner operation, and if that means its time for the public sector to wake up and smell the proverbial then so be it. The bin men for example in my eyes are overpaid. But they're out in all weathers, shifting rubbish, anti-social hours, etc I hear you all cry. So are so many other people, road workers, postmen etc. why are the bin men so emotive? Why is their job so special. I'm old enough to remember when they actually physically picked up the bins from inside your property and returned them empty to the same place, now its just wheeling a container to the rear of a vehicle and back again. There are far worse jobs in the world. Over time the public services have aquired so many extra benefits, (days off for the Queen's birthday etc.) perhaps its time to lose some of them or lose the job completely. As a good 'socialist' or whatever you're calling yourself this week, I trust you do not avail yourself of the facilities of any nasty private business that doesnt employs people to work Sundays, unsocial hours etc. for flat rate only... owen_thesaints
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4:46pm Thu 6 Oct 11

rich the stitch says...

southy wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy
Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.
So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?
Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier
The fact remain the moment the SWA was privatise the price went up. and the same with any public service, once privatise the price will go up. You pay 90p at the moment for your rubbish collettion, when privatise it be a seperate bill and the charge will be £22 at lest. Your business senice seem to be very weak or you don't like to look at it deeply, private sector will be out to make a profit on top off all the out goings, the Council do not need to.
Where do you get the figure of at least £22 per house hold from, did you need to bend over?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: @Southy, your still druming on about the £22 monthly bin collection, I've stated to you that this is for 1 house hold per month, not an entire city of 1000's of homes. Do you really think a contractor won't discount. As normal spouting off rubbish. How many of the 1000's of picketers were out today? I'm sure you've got the correct head count and been talking to the 'man on the street' and going to tell us the they still have a majority of support in the city. Taxi for Southy[/p][/quote]Yes it will be £22 per month per house hold, and no discount when its privatise, and it will be up to each house holder to have a contract with a company to pick up your rubbish, fail to do that will result in the person who name is on that house hold to be fined. Remember when the water was privatise, and how much it went up, and you pick the company you went with to supply you with water.[/p][/quote]So let me get this right. A private company will charge the same for 1 monthly house hold collection from 1 house as it would for a city wide contract of tens of thousands! I look forward to see how you are going explain that one. Business not your strong point?[/p][/quote]Southy, I can only get my water from Southern Water the same as you, however non-household customers who are likely to use at least 50 megalitres (Ml) of water a year at each premises are able to choose their water supplier[/p][/quote]The fact remain the moment the SWA was privatise the price went up. and the same with any public service, once privatise the price will go up. You pay 90p at the moment for your rubbish collettion, when privatise it be a seperate bill and the charge will be £22 at lest. Your business senice seem to be very weak or you don't like to look at it deeply, private sector will be out to make a profit on top off all the out goings, the Council do not need to.[/p][/quote]Where do you get the figure of at least £22 per house hold from, did you need to bend over? rich the stitch
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4:58pm Thu 6 Oct 11

owen_thesaints says...

The average cost of council waste collection is around £75 a year

http://www.publicati
ons.parliament.uk/pa
/cm200607/cmselect/c
mcomloc/536/536i.pdf
The average cost of council waste collection is around £75 a year http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm200607/cmselect/c mcomloc/536/536i.pdf owen_thesaints
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5:03pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Hopeful Saints fan says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
The average cost of council waste collection is around £75 a year http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm200607/cmselect/c mcomloc/536/536i.pdf
Owen,
You might be new to this. If ever you try to quote figures from published and verifiable sources, Southy will tell you they're wrong and that's it. He'd have an argument to tell you the world is flat and that the photos taken from satellites are doctored.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: The average cost of council waste collection is around £75 a year http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm200607/cmselect/c mcomloc/536/536i.pdf[/p][/quote]Owen, You might be new to this. If ever you try to quote figures from published and verifiable sources, Southy will tell you they're wrong and that's it. He'd have an argument to tell you the world is flat and that the photos taken from satellites are doctored. Hopeful Saints fan
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5:08pm Thu 6 Oct 11

southy says...

owen_thesaints while in the public hands your not going to a single boss that will demand a very high wage, like you get in the private sector, the private sector bosses earn three times has much in a wage than they do in the public sector, also the public sector don't have share holders wanting there bit of the profit, like you do in the private sector.
The public sector is a lot cheaper to run than the private sector all ways have been.
And if those companys give a discount, who going to pay for that discount it be the city council payers, either in more services cuts and job loses or a rise in council tax.
The private sector has never been able to compete with the public sector, public sector has all ways been the cheapest and better services.
owen_thesaints while in the public hands your not going to a single boss that will demand a very high wage, like you get in the private sector, the private sector bosses earn three times has much in a wage than they do in the public sector, also the public sector don't have share holders wanting there bit of the profit, like you do in the private sector. The public sector is a lot cheaper to run than the private sector all ways have been. And if those companys give a discount, who going to pay for that discount it be the city council payers, either in more services cuts and job loses or a rise in council tax. The private sector has never been able to compete with the public sector, public sector has all ways been the cheapest and better services. southy
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5:17pm Thu 6 Oct 11

rich the stitch says...

southy wrote:
owen_thesaints while in the public hands your not going to a single boss that will demand a very high wage, like you get in the private sector, the private sector bosses earn three times has much in a wage than they do in the public sector, also the public sector don't have share holders wanting there bit of the profit, like you do in the private sector. The public sector is a lot cheaper to run than the private sector all ways have been. And if those companys give a discount, who going to pay for that discount it be the city council payers, either in more services cuts and job loses or a rise in council tax. The private sector has never been able to compete with the public sector, public sector has all ways been the cheapest and better services.
Where do you get the figure of at least £22?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: owen_thesaints while in the public hands your not going to a single boss that will demand a very high wage, like you get in the private sector, the private sector bosses earn three times has much in a wage than they do in the public sector, also the public sector don't have share holders wanting there bit of the profit, like you do in the private sector. The public sector is a lot cheaper to run than the private sector all ways have been. And if those companys give a discount, who going to pay for that discount it be the city council payers, either in more services cuts and job loses or a rise in council tax. The private sector has never been able to compete with the public sector, public sector has all ways been the cheapest and better services.[/p][/quote]Where do you get the figure of at least £22? rich the stitch
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6:39pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Northam Lady says...

owen_the saints. Well said. My postman is out in all weathers, rain or shine, six days a week, always cheerful and friendly and helpful. It was said on Meridian Tonight that anyone earning less than £22,000 - YES - £22,000 wiould not be subject to cuts.(The union official did not, by the way, argue with this figure!!) This is a totally POLITICAL STRIKE, which does nothing for the well being of the union's members. Get back to work. Don't forget, Christmas is coming - what will you tell your children when they can't have their festive cheer? NUMKINS...
owen_the saints. Well said. My postman is out in all weathers, rain or shine, six days a week, always cheerful and friendly and helpful. It was said on Meridian Tonight that anyone earning less than £22,000 - YES - £22,000 wiould not be subject to cuts.(The union official did not, by the way, argue with this figure!!) This is a totally POLITICAL STRIKE, which does nothing for the well being of the union's members. Get back to work. Don't forget, Christmas is coming - what will you tell your children when they can't have their festive cheer? NUMKINS... Northam Lady
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7:37pm Thu 6 Oct 11

grassisgreener says...

Don't worry all of you who think the SCC staff and probably the NHS are overpaid and lazy.

The time is coming where they will be either sacked, replaced by cheap ill trained staff or leave as they have a thankless job, as we speak and (behind the scenes) many services,day centres, and carer support are being reduced, shut down or privatised and agency staff employed at a much higher rate.
We pay taxes too, but get ready to take on full time care of your elderly relatives, pay for surgery and treatment which were once free. How many of you with your ignorant opinions are offering to volunteer in "The Big Society" How many of you have studied and trained for the social work or medical skills and knowledge to take these peoples places as you infer, as you say the unemployed job seekers can do these jobs. I have worked for the NHS for 17 years and I would ask you all to think about what you write and base your comments on what you actually have experienced and not what the media or Mr Royston Smith will have you believe .
Don't worry all of you who think the SCC staff and probably the NHS are overpaid and lazy. The time is coming where they will be either sacked, replaced by cheap ill trained staff or leave as they have a thankless job, as we speak and (behind the scenes) many services,day centres, and carer support are being reduced, shut down or privatised and agency staff employed at a much higher rate. We pay taxes too, but get ready to take on full time care of your elderly relatives, pay for surgery and treatment which were once free. How many of you with your ignorant opinions are offering to volunteer in "The Big Society" How many of you have studied and trained for the social work or medical skills and knowledge to take these peoples places as you infer, as you say the unemployed job seekers can do these jobs. I have worked for the NHS for 17 years and I would ask you all to think about what you write and base your comments on what you actually have experienced and not what the media or Mr Royston Smith will have you believe . grassisgreener
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8:26pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Northam Lady says...

I have studied and trained for work in social services and am a recipient of SCC Health Care, which is second-to-none! and am appalled that pensions rights etc have been changed for social workers, health workers . I fully support any action they take to protect their rights and pensions and will take to the streets to support them. However, I DO NOT SUPPORT the people who empty our rubbish bins - i.e. get off your wagon, move a bin a few feet, attach it to a truck, press a button then, perhaps, replace it to where it was originally....For the Record - having had many meetings with R Smith - I cannot abide the man, or this awful City Council - let's just all get together for the next election - OK?
And Yes - I am Labour, but tending to UKIP :-)
I have studied and trained for work in social services and am a recipient of SCC Health Care, which is second-to-none! and am appalled that pensions rights etc have been changed for social workers, health workers . I fully support any action they take to protect their rights and pensions and will take to the streets to support them. However, I DO NOT SUPPORT the people who empty our rubbish bins - i.e. get off your wagon, move a bin a few feet, attach it to a truck, press a button then, perhaps, replace it to where it was originally....For the Record - having had many meetings with R Smith - I cannot abide the man, or this awful City Council - let's just all get together for the next election - OK? And Yes - I am Labour, but tending to UKIP :-) Northam Lady
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8:56pm Thu 6 Oct 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Northam Lady wrote:
I have studied and trained for work in social services and am a recipient of SCC Health Care, which is second-to-none! and am appalled that pensions rights etc have been changed for social workers, health workers . I fully support any action they take to protect their rights and pensions and will take to the streets to support them. However, I DO NOT SUPPORT the people who empty our rubbish bins - i.e. get off your wagon, move a bin a few feet, attach it to a truck, press a button then, perhaps, replace it to where it was originally....For the Record - having had many meetings with R Smith - I cannot abide the man, or this awful City Council - let's just all get together for the next election - OK? And Yes - I am Labour, but tending to UKIP :-)
While I appreciate the merits of people who are doing a worthy job, that should not entitle them to be given better treatment than any other worker, and because people who work for a financially mismanaged employment set up shouldn't have to rely on handouts because they have been shortchanged and unable to earn a reasonable wage. It is the selective nature of the current issue that is behind the dispute, a fair deal thrashed out for all concerned would resolve the issue.
[quote][p][bold]Northam Lady[/bold] wrote: I have studied and trained for work in social services and am a recipient of SCC Health Care, which is second-to-none! and am appalled that pensions rights etc have been changed for social workers, health workers . I fully support any action they take to protect their rights and pensions and will take to the streets to support them. However, I DO NOT SUPPORT the people who empty our rubbish bins - i.e. get off your wagon, move a bin a few feet, attach it to a truck, press a button then, perhaps, replace it to where it was originally....For the Record - having had many meetings with R Smith - I cannot abide the man, or this awful City Council - let's just all get together for the next election - OK? And Yes - I am Labour, but tending to UKIP :-)[/p][/quote]While I appreciate the merits of people who are doing a worthy job, that should not entitle them to be given better treatment than any other worker, and because people who work for a financially mismanaged employment set up shouldn't have to rely on handouts because they have been shortchanged and unable to earn a reasonable wage. It is the selective nature of the current issue that is behind the dispute, a fair deal thrashed out for all concerned would resolve the issue. OSPREYSAINT
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9:13pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Northam Lady says...

What rubbish. So - you are equating Social and Health workers with years of training with a few men who empty our bins. Sorry - don't understand. Bin men are Bin men - that is what they do - if they don't like it - then leave it.
What rubbish. So - you are equating Social and Health workers with years of training with a few men who empty our bins. Sorry - don't understand. Bin men are Bin men - that is what they do - if they don't like it - then leave it. Northam Lady
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9:18pm Thu 6 Oct 11

loosehead says...

Northam Lady wrote:
I have studied and trained for work in social services and am a recipient of SCC Health Care, which is second-to-none! and am appalled that pensions rights etc have been changed for social workers, health workers . I fully support any action they take to protect their rights and pensions and will take to the streets to support them. However, I DO NOT SUPPORT the people who empty our rubbish bins - i.e. get off your wagon, move a bin a few feet, attach it to a truck, press a button then, perhaps, replace it to where it was originally....For the Record - having had many meetings with R Smith - I cannot abide the man, or this awful City Council - let's just all get together for the next election - OK?
And Yes - I am Labour, but tending to UKIP :-)
Northam Lady I have come to your support in the past but I really have to disagree with you on this one.In the ehtos of a family we should help & look out for each other.if ones parents are old we can build an annex let them live there & help them if we are not in that financial position we ( the family ) should go around & help look after them & not leaving them to rely on the council to look after them .Only in cases where there's no family or the family needs help with children should the social workers be needed.Then they can look out for children at risk but overall there wouldn't need to be so many & with less people to pay there would be less need to cut wages but our society has got to the point of "can't be bothered" & it's about time we started to look after our own or in other words take responsibility.Socia
lism has made our people lazy & expecting others to do it for them,all you hear is "I know my rights & I'm owed it" to hear a social/office worker to call for more redundancies amongst the people who have been striking on their behalf shows you exactly how wrong this dispute is I hope those bin men realise this before they're replaced with the 500+ applicants
[quote][p][bold]Northam Lady[/bold] wrote: I have studied and trained for work in social services and am a recipient of SCC Health Care, which is second-to-none! and am appalled that pensions rights etc have been changed for social workers, health workers . I fully support any action they take to protect their rights and pensions and will take to the streets to support them. However, I DO NOT SUPPORT the people who empty our rubbish bins - i.e. get off your wagon, move a bin a few feet, attach it to a truck, press a button then, perhaps, replace it to where it was originally....For the Record - having had many meetings with R Smith - I cannot abide the man, or this awful City Council - let's just all get together for the next election - OK? And Yes - I am Labour, but tending to UKIP :-)[/p][/quote]Northam Lady I have come to your support in the past but I really have to disagree with you on this one.In the ehtos of a family we should help & look out for each other.if ones parents are old we can build an annex let them live there & help them if we are not in that financial position we ( the family ) should go around & help look after them & not leaving them to rely on the council to look after them .Only in cases where there's no family or the family needs help with children should the social workers be needed.Then they can look out for children at risk but overall there wouldn't need to be so many & with less people to pay there would be less need to cut wages but our society has got to the point of "can't be bothered" & it's about time we started to look after our own or in other words take responsibility.Socia lism has made our people lazy & expecting others to do it for them,all you hear is "I know my rights & I'm owed it" to hear a social/office worker to call for more redundancies amongst the people who have been striking on their behalf shows you exactly how wrong this dispute is I hope those bin men realise this before they're replaced with the 500+ applicants loosehead
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9:26pm Thu 6 Oct 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

grassisgreener

Not all health care workers are saints.

There are too many workers in health care who are not caring, and who see basic care as beneath them, leading to mistreatment and neglect. Patents which are not fed, not provided with sufficient hydration, lack of response to patients pain management needs, poor hygiene on the wards, and so the long list goes on.

Care must be paramount, and any health care worker that thinks it is more important to chat to their mates about their night on the town over and above answering a patients buzzer should be out of a job.

Too many specialist nurses and project 2000 nurses have lost sight of the priorities of nursing.

That is obvious from my experience of watching health care workers care for friends and family, and from the attitudes of health care workers I know as friends. I could not share my disgust at their attitudes towards patients and their care with them and retain them as friends of course.

All the reports, patient and relative experiences and whistleblowers back up that we have fundamental issues with the attitudes of many health care workers in this country. And I am not in the least convinced that the problem is only with a minority of bad apples.
grassisgreener Not all health care workers are saints. There are too many workers in health care who are not caring, and who see basic care as beneath them, leading to mistreatment and neglect. Patents which are not fed, not provided with sufficient hydration, lack of response to patients pain management needs, poor hygiene on the wards, and so the long list goes on. Care must be paramount, and any health care worker that thinks it is more important to chat to their mates about their night on the town over and above answering a patients buzzer should be out of a job. Too many specialist nurses and project 2000 nurses have lost sight of the priorities of nursing. That is obvious from my experience of watching health care workers care for friends and family, and from the attitudes of health care workers I know as friends. I could not share my disgust at their attitudes towards patients and their care with them and retain them as friends of course. All the reports, patient and relative experiences and whistleblowers back up that we have fundamental issues with the attitudes of many health care workers in this country. And I am not in the least convinced that the problem is only with a minority of bad apples. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:10am Fri 7 Oct 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Northam Lady wrote:
What rubbish. So - you are equating Social and Health workers with years of training with a few men who empty our bins. Sorry - don't understand. Bin men are Bin men - that is what they do - if they don't like it - then leave it.
You are missing my point, I didn't say they should be treated any worse or any better, all should be treated with the same criteria, no discrimination, all have an important role to play and your obsession with bin men is very paranoic, did one give you a fright at some stage of your childhood?
[quote][p][bold]Northam Lady[/bold] wrote: What rubbish. So - you are equating Social and Health workers with years of training with a few men who empty our bins. Sorry - don't understand. Bin men are Bin men - that is what they do - if they don't like it - then leave it.[/p][/quote]You are missing my point, I didn't say they should be treated any worse or any better, all should be treated with the same criteria, no discrimination, all have an important role to play and your obsession with bin men is very paranoic, did one give you a fright at some stage of your childhood? OSPREYSAINT
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12:12am Fri 7 Oct 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Hopeful Saints fan wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
The average cost of council waste collection is around £75 a year http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm200607/cmselect/c mcomloc/536/536i.pdf
Owen,
You might be new to this. If ever you try to quote figures from published and verifiable sources, Southy will tell you they're wrong and that's it. He'd have an argument to tell you the world is flat and that the photos taken from satellites are doctored.
And LH will come with another list of figures which don't actually prove anything or have any relevance to the thread, happy days, got the job yet LH? any sign of an interview?
[quote][p][bold]Hopeful Saints fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: The average cost of council waste collection is around £75 a year http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm200607/cmselect/c mcomloc/536/536i.pdf[/p][/quote]Owen, You might be new to this. If ever you try to quote figures from published and verifiable sources, Southy will tell you they're wrong and that's it. He'd have an argument to tell you the world is flat and that the photos taken from satellites are doctored.[/p][/quote]And LH will come with another list of figures which don't actually prove anything or have any relevance to the thread, happy days, got the job yet LH? any sign of an interview? OSPREYSAINT
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7:52am Fri 7 Oct 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hopeful Saints fan wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
The average cost of council waste collection is around £75 a year http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm200607/cmselect/c mcomloc/536/536i.pdf
Owen,
You might be new to this. If ever you try to quote figures from published and verifiable sources, Southy will tell you they're wrong and that's it. He'd have an argument to tell you the world is flat and that the photos taken from satellites are doctored.
And LH will come with another list of figures which don't actually prove anything or have any relevance to the thread, happy days, got the job yet LH? any sign of an interview?
Can't you see it? are you that so blinkered you can't see it? Here's a qualified Social Worker slating the bin men exactly what those who work for the council are doing. We had likealocal saying " stop pensioners rebate cut bin rounds to fortnightly collections, halve the bin men & use those savings instead of cutting ours" These same bin men who've put their necks on the chopping block for their fellow council workers,just remember the latest proposal would take 99% approx. of the bin men away from having a pay cut but they're still defending their fellow workers to be stabbed in the back.Osprey you ( I ) won't know yet as it takes up to 4 weeks to tell you if you have an interview
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hopeful Saints fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: The average cost of council waste collection is around £75 a year http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm200607/cmselect/c mcomloc/536/536i.pdf[/p][/quote]Owen, You might be new to this. If ever you try to quote figures from published and verifiable sources, Southy will tell you they're wrong and that's it. He'd have an argument to tell you the world is flat and that the photos taken from satellites are doctored.[/p][/quote]And LH will come with another list of figures which don't actually prove anything or have any relevance to the thread, happy days, got the job yet LH? any sign of an interview?[/p][/quote]Can't you see it? are you that so blinkered you can't see it? Here's a qualified Social Worker slating the bin men exactly what those who work for the council are doing. We had likealocal saying " stop pensioners rebate cut bin rounds to fortnightly collections, halve the bin men & use those savings instead of cutting ours" These same bin men who've put their necks on the chopping block for their fellow council workers,just remember the latest proposal would take 99% approx. of the bin men away from having a pay cut but they're still defending their fellow workers to be stabbed in the back.Osprey you ( I ) won't know yet as it takes up to 4 weeks to tell you if you have an interview loosehead
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8:33am Fri 7 Oct 11

smallone says...

southy wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
smallone wrote: Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness.
I'm sure that you've miscounted. Only Southy knows the number!
only about 200 well thats close seeing its only the bin men and street cleaner, and about 200 will mean 100% turn out by the bin men and street cleaners.
Oh I'm so sorry! Silly old me!
It's just that when the article said "More than 1,000 council workers are today taking part in the one day walkout" I thought it meant that more than 1,000 council workers would be taking part in the one day walkout.
I didn't realise it meant only 200 council workers would be taking part.
Is this how these things works or is it just those naughty old trade unions exaggerating to the press again! Tsk!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smallone[/bold] wrote: Most rubbish turnout for a rally yet. 200 people tops in Guildhall Square this afternoon. Clearly even the trade union members are bored with the whole thing and are starting to recognise its pointlessness.[/p][/quote]I'm sure that you've miscounted. Only Southy knows the number![/p][/quote]only about 200 well thats close seeing its only the bin men and street cleaner, and about 200 will mean 100% turn out by the bin men and street cleaners.[/p][/quote]Oh I'm so sorry! Silly old me! It's just that when the article said "More than 1,000 council workers are today taking part in the one day walkout" I thought it meant that more than 1,000 council workers would be taking part in the one day walkout. I didn't realise it meant only 200 council workers would be taking part. Is this how these things works or is it just those naughty old trade unions exaggerating to the press again! Tsk! smallone
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